[RBW] Re: Is it worth it? Am I crazy?

[Jamie D.]

Thanks for the continued and inspiring feedback everyone!

Roberta, that is so nice of you to offer, I will likely take you up on this 
at some point.

The metaphorical wheels are turning and now I'm considering a Platy... 

According to Bike Insights, the "Bike Length with Tires" for the 52 Clem is 
77.35 inches and the 59 Clem is 81 inches.

Unfortunately Bike insights does not have this info for the Platy. 

Does anyone know the "Bike Length with Tires" (which I assume is the 
longest measurement from the outside edge of the front and back tire) for a 
55 Platy?

On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 10:59:30 AM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:

> Antone - The amount of dedication and will power needed to go through with 
> making a nice bike look bad as a theft deterrent will never cease to 
> impress me.
>
> Ride on!
> -Dave (out in the 'burbs near Boston)
>
> On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 9:35:33 AM UTC-5 lambbo wrote:
>
>> Hi Jamie, 
>>
>> I'm in Brooklyn, and have a Cheviot which I keep locked up outside on a 
>> street sign (8 years now).   New locks, including for your seat, wheels, 
>> stem, and any bolt you feel like locking, really are a game changer...I 
>> also have intentionally destroyed the aesthetic of my cheviot using paint 
>> stripper, brown paint, bits of other colors, and scratches on my seat, to 
>> deter thieves.It looks like a huge, old, rusty women's bike to most 
>> thieves, not really a market for that.  
>>
>> I can't say it will always work, but is has so far, and the amount of 
>> hassle I've avoided getting my bike in and out of my apartment over the 
>> years has kept me commuting on a wonderful bike.  If someone stole my bike 
>> tomorrow, I think the cost benefit would still be in my favor (it's also a 
>> used bike with used dynamo used everything for that reason, but still rides 
>> like a dream). 
>>
>> The paint stripper and brown matte paint are probably the best deterrent, 
>> but the locks I use are Abus Bordo and a lot of hex locks on everything. 
>>
>> Hope that's helpful,
>> Antone
>> On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 4:01:03 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jamie. 
>>>
>>> Try Ben’s Clem. ( ben—I thinkknow you— you have an adorable child and a 
>>> green Clem that you share with your wife?) The Clem is very long but I bet 
>>> you love the ride. If you also want to try 55 Platy you’re welcome to try 
>>> mine for testing.  It will be less long and lighter than the Clem.I’m 
>>> in center city i’ve had similar issues getting my bike in and out of the 
>>> house. 
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 9, 2024 at 1:15:39 PM UTC-5 Jamie D. wrote:
>>>
 Hi Everyone!

 Sorry for this long first post, I hope you can help me navigate 
 stepping into the Rivendell universe in a rational way.

 I'm just getting back into cycling again after a long absence. 
 Previously I lead a no-car-multi-bike lifestyle for over a decade.

 I'm drawn towards the Clem Smith Jr. – the accounts I've read here 
 range from something like riding Falcor through time and space to an 
 existential crisis from owning 'The Cadillac of Bicycles'.

 My main mode of transportation was previously a Bilenky cargo bike 
 . 
 I loved/miss the upright posture and extra long wheelbase hence my 
 interest 
 in the Clem.

 I live in a small Philly row house with some challenges (I did not have 
 the Bilenky at this house):


- To get into my house I have to get the bike up 4 stairs and in my 
front door which opens into a wall. I have to zig-zag bikes around this 
short wall to get them into the house.



- I store all my bicycles in my basement which is a 90 degree turn 
from the basement door to the relatively steep stairwell. To get bikes 
 down 
the stairwell, I prop them up vertically on the rear wheel and walk 
 them 
down the stairs in front on me holding the handlebars and strategically 
using the rear break.



- To get them out of the basement, I have a ramp that locks into 
the stairs. I shimmy the bike onto the ramp, put my left hand on the 
 seat 
post, my right hand on the right handlebar grip and push the bike in 
 front 
of me up the stairs and turn the bars at the precise moment navigate 
 the 90 
degree turn out of the basement door.


 My PBH is 85cm and saddle height 74cm so I could fit a 52 Clem but it 
 sounds like a 59 Clem would be more ideal.

 There's a chance I would not have to take the front wheel off of the 52 
 to get the bike down the basement but it would likely require be turning 
 the bars slightly which could be more sketchy.

 I would definitely have to take the front wheel off the 59 to get the 
 bike down the basement.

[RBW] Re: WTB: Ultradynamico Rose Race (Grey) 650B

[Brian Turner]

Thanks for sharing your experience, Ryan! This is helpful. Coincidentally, 
these would also be for my Crust Bombora, which desperately needs new 
rubber to replace the RH knobbies that I've had on there for the past 
couple of years.
I'm curious to hear why you stuck with them after not having an initial 
positive experience - they're so pricey! I've read various accounts of them 
being loud on pavement, notoriously leaky, and overall not very robust... 
but then I've also heard from folks who speak highly of them.

Brian
Lex KY


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[RBW] Re: WTB: Ultradynamico Rose Race (Grey) 650B

[Johnny Alien]

I've tried them a few times because I think they look beautiful and I 
really want to like them because of that but they did make a lot of noise 
and they ride slow and heavy. Not really sure how else to describe it. Come 
from RH they were noticeably sluggish. I tried both the race and JFF 
casing. They both felt like the same ride to me. I am back with RH and very 
happy. BUT loads of people still love them and tires are a personal thing.

On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 3:50:01 PM UTC-5 Brian Turner wrote:

> Thanks for sharing your experience, Ryan! This is helpful. Coincidentally, 
> these would also be for my Crust Bombora, which desperately needs new 
> rubber to replace the RH knobbies that I've had on there for the past 
> couple of years.
> I'm curious to hear why you stuck with them after not having an initial 
> positive experience - they're so pricey! I've read various accounts of them 
> being loud on pavement, notoriously leaky, and overall not very robust... 
> but then I've also heard from folks who speak highly of them.
>
> Brian
> Lex KY
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Is it worth it? Am I crazy?

[Roberta]

The Platy is more than 70 inches wide, tire to tire. I don’t remember the 
exact measurements, but I can measure when I get home late tonight.  Leah, 
Bicycle, bell ding ding, has owned both Bikes and might have a unique take 
comparing the right quality. They are both nice riding bikes, but different.

I think as long as you have the opportunity to try both bikes the three of 
us should get together and you can try both bikes back to back. You might 
like the one ride much better than the other or you might say you like both 
of them and either Bike would make me very happy.  They do ride quite 
differently.  The good news is they both ride nicely and I don’t think 
either Bike would be a bad option.

 I think getting either one up and down from the basement won’t be really 
fun and I recommend Ginz’s recommendation of keeping one in the living 
room. 

Roberta

On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 12:32:02 PM UTC-5 Jamie D. wrote:

> Thanks for the continued and inspiring feedback everyone!
>
> Roberta, that is so nice of you to offer, I will likely take you up on 
> this at some point.
>
> The metaphorical wheels are turning and now I'm considering a Platy... 
>
> According to Bike Insights, the "Bike Length with Tires" for the 52 Clem 
> is 77.35 inches and the 59 Clem is 81 inches.
>
> Unfortunately Bike insights does not have this info for the Platy. 
>
> Does anyone know the "Bike Length with Tires" (which I assume is the 
> longest measurement from the outside edge of the front and back tire) for a 
> 55 Platy?
>
> On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 10:59:30 AM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:
>
>> Antone - The amount of dedication and will power needed to go through 
>> with making a nice bike look bad as a theft deterrent will never cease to 
>> impress me.
>>
>> Ride on!
>> -Dave (out in the 'burbs near Boston)
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 9:35:33 AM UTC-5 lambbo wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jamie, 
>>>
>>> I'm in Brooklyn, and have a Cheviot which I keep locked up outside on a 
>>> street sign (8 years now).   New locks, including for your seat, wheels, 
>>> stem, and any bolt you feel like locking, really are a game changer...I 
>>> also have intentionally destroyed the aesthetic of my cheviot using paint 
>>> stripper, brown paint, bits of other colors, and scratches on my seat, to 
>>> deter thieves.It looks like a huge, old, rusty women's bike to most 
>>> thieves, not really a market for that.  
>>>
>>> I can't say it will always work, but is has so far, and the amount of 
>>> hassle I've avoided getting my bike in and out of my apartment over the 
>>> years has kept me commuting on a wonderful bike.  If someone stole my bike 
>>> tomorrow, I think the cost benefit would still be in my favor (it's also a 
>>> used bike with used dynamo used everything for that reason, but still rides 
>>> like a dream). 
>>>
>>> The paint stripper and brown matte paint are probably the best 
>>> deterrent, but the locks I use are Abus Bordo and a lot of hex locks on 
>>> everything. 
>>>
>>> Hope that's helpful,
>>> Antone
>>> On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 4:01:03 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 Hi Jamie. 

 Try Ben’s Clem. ( ben—I thinkknow you— you have an adorable child and a 
 green Clem that you share with your wife?) The Clem is very long but I bet 
 you love the ride. If you also want to try 55 Platy you’re welcome to try 
 mine for testing.  It will be less long and lighter than the Clem.I’m 
 in center city i’ve had similar issues getting my bike in and out of the 
 house. 

 Roberta

 On Monday, December 9, 2024 at 1:15:39 PM UTC-5 Jamie D. wrote:

> Hi Everyone!
>
> Sorry for this long first post, I hope you can help me navigate 
> stepping into the Rivendell universe in a rational way.
>
> I'm just getting back into cycling again after a long absence. 
> Previously I lead a no-car-multi-bike lifestyle for over a decade.
>
> I'm drawn towards the Clem Smith Jr. – the accounts I've read here 
> range from something like riding Falcor through time and space to an 
> existential crisis from owning 'The Cadillac of Bicycles'.
>
> My main mode of transportation was previously a Bilenky cargo bike 
> . 
> I loved/miss the upright posture and extra long wheelbase hence my 
> interest 
> in the Clem.
>
> I live in a small Philly row house with some challenges (I did not 
> have the Bilenky at this house):
>
>
>- To get into my house I have to get the bike up 4 stairs and in 
>my front door which opens into a wall. I have to zig-zag bikes around 
> this 
>short wall to get them into the house.
>
>
>
>- I store all my bicycles in my basement which is a 90 degree turn 
>from the basement door to the relatively steep stairwell. To get bikes 
> dow

[RBW] Re: FS: Roaduno wheelset with Phil Wood hub

[CMR]

$55 picked up in Menlo Park, $95 shipped for a Sora/Cliffhanger front wheel

On Friday, October 25, 2024 at 10:28:50 PM UTC-7 CMR wrote:

> Front wheel still available!
>
> On Monday, September 16, 2024 at 2:43:13 PM UTC-7 CMR wrote:
>
>> Phil rear sold.
>>
>> Sora/Cliffhanger front wheel still available for $65 picked up or $105 
>> shipped. Thanks!
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 21, 2024 at 10:56:51 AM UTC-7 CMR wrote:
>>
>>>  120mm rear but Phil has spacers for 130mm. I am using hardware store 
>>> spacers for 130mm without a problem. Both are wheels are 700c.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 20, 2024 at 9:39:10 AM UTC-7 CMR wrote:
>>>
 -Phil Wood rear for $175
 -Cliffhanger front for $65
 -$225 for both
 -Add $40 to ship either or both

 On Thursday, July 18, 2024 at 9:35:10 PM UTC-7 CMR wrote:

> Still available
> On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 12:55:17 PM UTC-7 CMR wrote:
>
>> Tires are no longer available!
>> -Phil Wood rear for $190
>> -Cliffhanger front for $90
>> -$250 for both
>> -Add $40 to ship either or both
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 9:51:14 AM UTC-7 CMR wrote:
>>
>>> Congrats to all who grabbed a Roaduno - who needs a wheelset?! I 
>>> also have a 105-Mavic front wheel if you want something narrower than 
>>> the 
>>> cliffhanger, but not as nice condition as the other two wheels (-$25 
>>> for 
>>> these).
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-7 CMR wrote:
>>>
 Still available and can potentially split the wheels if interested.

 On Saturday, June 22, 2024 at 8:21:00 AM UTC-7 CMR wrote:

> Price drop - $280 without tires, $325 with tires, picked up in 
> Menlo Park, happy to ship at cost.
>
>
> On Thursday, June 20, 2024 at 10:26:00 PM UTC-7 CMR wrote:
>
>> Buy this wheelset and save me from buying the Roaduno frame!
>>
>> Phil wood rear hub laced to Sun CR18 rim
>> Shimano silver hub laced to Velocity Cliffhanger (tubeless ready)
>> Gravelking slicks 700x38
>> Phil wood 14t track cog included but needs a lockring, or remove 
>> it and use a freewheel!
>> All silver everything
>>
>> Pics: https://www.flickr.com/photos/21267164@N02/with/53805889410
>>
>>
>> $375 picked up in Menlo Park, happy to ship at cost.
>>
>

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[RBW] ISO reflective Sam Browne belt and other reflective gear for **front** as well as rear visibiity

[Patrick Moore]

For the 15-year-old son of a friend who rides his One-Wheel on village
roads at night. I’m looking for bright, *wearable* reflective gear that is
easy to put on and take off ( “wearable” to put it at auto driver eye
level, one piece because otherwise he will lose it or may well not use it).

I’m giving him some 3M reflective stickers for his helmet, fore and aft,
but I’d like to find something else  that makes him very visible to traffic
oncoming from the front as well as to the rear.

I have a Same Browne for night riding and think that this is probably the
best 1-piece solution for front + rear reflective visibility but I’d be
delighted to hear of other options.

I hope to hear from those who have inexpensive reflective gear to offer,
but also from those who have ideas about what to use and how to use it.

Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: ISO reflective Sam Browne belt and other reflective gear for **front** as well as rear visibiity

[Patrick Moore]

To be clear: I have one but I must keep it for myself. I’d like to find
another one or something equally effective for friend’s son.



On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 12:51 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> … I have a Sam Browne for night riding and think that this is probably the
> best 1-piece solution for front + rear reflective visibility
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rim width vs tire width

[Patrick Moore]

+1. Back in my day I rode 50 mm tires aggressively offroad on ~13 mm IW
rims for years with no problem, and recently rode 72 mm actual tires on ~18
mm IW rims, tubeless tires on non-tubeless rims, just with lotsa tape,
again with no problems.

You do have to keep the pressure up, tho’ I rode the 72s down to a safe 12
psi.

Patrick Moore, channeling Abe Simpson in ABQ, NM.

On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 12:50 PM Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

> Sorry I'm late to this thread, but back in the day (mid 90s?), I was
> mountain biking on Mavic Open Pro rims with 2.5" tires.  I think that is
> 15c (inner width) with ~62 mm tires?  That's way off the chart below, but I
> never had any issues over many years of riding.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Is it worth it? Am I crazy?

[Ginz]

It's worth it.  But as another Philly row house dweller and basement 
storer, try to negotiate storage *one* bike on the first floor. Just one.



On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 2:16:15 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Antone: Will you please post a photo of your Cheviot?
>
> Long ago there was a “show us your beater commuter” thread on the boblist, 
> with some very interesting results; I recall someone who had made a 
> “pseudo-Ram” out of a cheap UJB by nicely taping the frame entirely in 
> orange duct tape. Then there was Sheldon’s winter fixed gear mtb conversion 
> commuter which he left outside in the snow, simply dribbling used motor oil 
> onto the drivetrain every so often.
>
> Question, aside: my daughter lives in Brooklyn, near Prospect Park. Is 
> that general area largely safe for locked up bikes and human owners? Thanks.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 7:35 AM lambbo  wrote:
>
>> Hi Jamie, 
>>
>> I'm in Brooklyn, and have a Cheviot which I keep locked up outside on a 
>> street sign (8 years now).   New locks, including for your seat, wheels, 
>> stem, and any bolt you feel like locking, really are a game changer...I 
>> also have intentionally destroyed the aesthetic of my cheviot using paint 
>> stripper, brown paint, bits of other colors, and scratches on my seat, to 
>> deter thieves.It looks like a huge, old, rusty women's bike to most 
>> thieves, not really a market for that.  
>>
>> I can't say it will always work, but is has so far, and the amount of 
>> hassle I've avoided getting my bike in and out of my apartment over the 
>> years has kept me commuting on a wonderful bike.  If someone stole my bike 
>> tomorrow, I think the cost benefit would still be in my favor (it's also a 
>> used bike with used dynamo used everything for that reason, but still rides 
>> like a dream). 
>>
>> The paint stripper and brown matte paint are probably the best deterrent, 
>> but the locks I use are Abus Bordo and a lot of hex locks on everything. 
>>
>> Hope that's helpful,
>> Antone
>> On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 4:01:03 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jamie. 
>>>
>>> Try Ben’s Clem. ( ben—I thinkknow you— you have an adorable child and a 
>>> green Clem that you share with your wife?) The Clem is very long but I bet 
>>> you love the ride. If you also want to try 55 Platy you’re welcome to try 
>>> mine for testing.  It will be less long and lighter than the Clem.I’m 
>>> in center city i’ve had similar issues getting my bike in and out of the 
>>> house. 
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 9, 2024 at 1:15:39 PM UTC-5 Jamie D. wrote:
>>>
 Hi Everyone!

 Sorry for this long first post, I hope you can help me navigate 
 stepping into the Rivendell universe in a rational way.

 I'm just getting back into cycling again after a long absence. 
 Previously I lead a no-car-multi-bike lifestyle for over a decade.

 I'm drawn towards the Clem Smith Jr. – the accounts I've read here 
 range from something like riding Falcor through time and space to an 
 existential crisis from owning 'The Cadillac of Bicycles'.

 My main mode of transportation was previously a Bilenky cargo bike 
 . 
 I loved/miss the upright posture and extra long wheelbase hence my 
 interest 
 in the Clem.

 I live in a small Philly row house with some challenges (I did not have 
 the Bilenky at this house):


- To get into my house I have to get the bike up 4 stairs and in my 
front door which opens into a wall. I have to zig-zag bikes around this 
short wall to get them into the house.



- I store all my bicycles in my basement which is a 90 degree turn 
from the basement door to the relatively steep stairwell. To get bikes 
 down 
the stairwell, I prop them up vertically on the rear wheel and walk 
 them 
down the stairs in front on me holding the handlebars and strategically 
using the rear break.



- To get them out of the basement, I have a ramp that locks into 
the stairs. I shimmy the bike onto the ramp, put my left hand on the 
 seat 
post, my right hand on the right handlebar grip and push the bike in 
 front 
of me up the stairs and turn the bars at the precise moment navigate 
 the 90 
degree turn out of the basement door.


 My PBH is 85cm and saddle height 74cm so I could fit a 52 Clem but it 
 sounds like a 59 Clem would be more ideal.

 There's a chance I would not have to take the front wheel off of the 52 
 to get the bike down the basement but it would likely require be turning 
 the bars slightly which could be more sketchy.

 I would definitely have to take the front wheel off the 59 to get the 
 bike down the basement. I might even have t

[RBW] Re: Ultegra Headset Bearings- Serviceable?

[John Rinker]

Thank you, Will. Yes, I've been servicing my Chris King hubs since I got 
them in the early '90s. The same bearings are still rolling like the day I 
got 'em. I've also regularly serviced my White Ind. bearings in an M15 rear 
hub. However, I did have to replace them once after about 8 years.

Cheers, John

On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 11:10:14 AM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> The only sealed bearings I've used that are meant to be cleaned and 
> regreased are Chris King.  You *can* do it to regular sealed bearings but 
> I've never had much success.  They are meant to be replaced but last for a 
> very long time.
>
> Will
>
> On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 12:25:33 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Bill! I always appreciate your thoughts on maintaining a nice 
>> bicycle. Yes, the headset is smooth and viscous, so there will be no need 
>> to pry it apart. I was hoping to clean and regrease the bearings as a 
>> matter of good maintenance, but it seems there's no need. Thanks Shimano!
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 7:52:29 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Yes and no.  It's not meant to happen, but if you determine that it must 
>>> happen, it can be done.  If you insist on prying it apart, and don't have a 
>>> great approach, and remain determined to do it anyway, it's definitely 
>>> possible to destroy stuff.  
>>>
>>> to first order, move the bearing in your fingers, one ring rotating 
>>> against the other.  If it feels smooth rather than rough, that's good.  If 
>>> you feel viscosity rather than dryness, that's also good.  Don't try to 
>>> take it apart.  If either of those things feels unacceptably bad to you, 
>>> then maybe you want to take it apart.  If you think you want to take it 
>>> apart because you think it's good preventative maintenance, or you think it 
>>> must be in need of an overhaul, then don't bother.  That's my advice.  
>>>
>>> I took apart a Deore LX model with similar architecture.  One of the 
>>> bearing units was pretty rusty and I did pull it apart, cleaned things out, 
>>> added new balls, and pressed it back together.  That's how I know it is 
>>> possible.  If your bearings are as hosed as mine were, give it a go.  If 
>>> you think they seem fine, they probably are.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 10, 2024 at 4:24:09 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 Good evening.

 Below is a photo of the headset bearings from the Shimano Ultegra 
 (HP-6500) from the Toyo Atlantis frame (circa. 2005-ish) I now ride.

 Do you know if these bearings are serviceable? I'm reluctant to pry 
 anything open if this is not meant to happen.

 Cheers, John
 [image: IMG_4322.jpg][image: IMG_4324.jpg]

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rim width vs tire width

[Bob Walicki]

Ha, was in my LBS on Monday picking up my bike and talking about building
up some 650b wheels. We were chatting about rim width with respect to tire
width and the only callout my pro made was that a wider rim will "flatten"
the tire profile. I mentioned that maybe really wide tires would look silly
on narrow rims, and he responded "you've got way better eyes than me".

We chatted some more, but he is definitely in the "any tire on any rim"
camp.

On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 2:03 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> +1. Back in my day I rode 50 mm tires aggressively offroad on ~13 mm IW
> rims for years with no problem, and recently rode 72 mm actual tires on ~18
> mm IW rims, tubeless tires on non-tubeless rims, just with lotsa tape,
> again with no problems.
>
> You do have to keep the pressure up, tho’ I rode the 72s down to a safe 12
> psi.
>
> Patrick Moore, channeling Abe Simpson in ABQ, NM.
>
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 12:50 PM Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>
>> Sorry I'm late to this thread, but back in the day (mid 90s?), I was
>> mountain biking on Mavic Open Pro rims with 2.5" tires.  I think that is
>> 15c (inner width) with ~62 mm tires?  That's way off the chart below, but I
>> never had any issues over many years of riding.
>>
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[RBW] Re: ISO reflective Sam Browne belt and other reflective gear for **front** as well as rear visibiity

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, all. Someone offered me a reflective vest for free.

I’ll still be interested to hear others’ opinions about fore/aft reflective
gear.

On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 12:51 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> For the 15-year-old son of a friend who rides his One-Wheel on village
> roads at night. I’m looking for bright, *wearable* reflective gear that
> is easy to put on and take off ( “wearable” to put it at auto driver eye
> level, one piece because otherwise he will lose it or may well not use it).
>
> I’m giving him some 3M reflective stickers for his helmet, fore and aft,
> but I’d like to find something else  that makes him very visible to traffic
> oncoming from the front as well as to the rear.
>
> I have a Same Browne for night riding and think that this is probably the
> best 1-piece solution for front + rear reflective visibility but I’d be
> delighted to hear of other options.
>
> I hope to hear from those who have inexpensive reflective gear to offer,
> but also from those who have ideas about what to use and how to use it.
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Is it worth it? Am I crazy?

[Franco Rinaldi]

My clem really changed my outlook on bikes. When i ride my clem it’s a meditationFranco Rinaldi c:  646.403.0661 -Pardon any typos, Siri typed this message-On Dec 11, 2024, at 3:15 PM, Ginz  wrote:It's worth it.  But as another Philly row house dweller and basement storer, try to negotiate storage *one* bike on the first floor. Just one.On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 2:16:15 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:Antone: Will you please post a photo of your Cheviot?Long ago there was a “show us your beater commuter” thread on the boblist, with some very interesting results; I recall someone who had made a “pseudo-Ram” out of a cheap UJB by nicely taping the frame entirely in orange duct tape. Then there was Sheldon’s winter fixed gear mtb conversion commuter which he left outside in the snow, simply dribbling used motor oil onto the drivetrain every so often.Question, aside: my daughter lives in Brooklyn, near Prospect Park. Is that general area largely safe for locked up bikes and human owners? Thanks.On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 7:35 AM lambbo  wrote:Hi Jamie, I'm in Brooklyn, and have a Cheviot which I keep locked up outside on a street sign (8 years now).   New locks, including for your seat, wheels, stem, and any bolt you feel like locking, really are a game changer...I also have intentionally destroyed the aesthetic of my cheviot using paint stripper, brown paint, bits of other colors, and scratches on my seat, to deter thieves.    It looks like a huge, old, rusty women's bike to most thieves, not really a market for that.  I can't say it will always work, but is has so far, and the amount of hassle I've avoided getting my bike in and out of my apartment over the years has kept me commuting on a wonderful bike.  If someone stole my bike tomorrow, I think the cost benefit would still be in my favor (it's also a used bike with used dynamo used everything for that reason, but still rides like a dream). The paint stripper and brown matte paint are probably the best deterrent, but the locks I use are Abus Bordo and a lot of hex locks on everything. Hope that's helpful,AntoneOn Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 4:01:03 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:Hi Jamie. Try Ben’s Clem. ( ben—I thinkknow you— you have an adorable child and a green Clem that you share with your wife?) The Clem is very long but I bet you love the ride. If you also want to try 55 Platy you’re welcome to try mine for testing.  It will be less long and lighter than the Clem.    I’m in center city i’ve had similar issues getting my bike in and out of the house. RobertaOn Monday, December 9, 2024 at 1:15:39 PM UTC-5 Jamie D. wrote:Hi Everyone!Sorry for this long first post, I hope you can help me navigate stepping into the Rivendell universe in a rational way.I'm just getting back into cycling again after a long absence. Previously I lead a no-car-multi-bike lifestyle for over a decade.I'm drawn towards the Clem Smith Jr. – the accounts I've read here range from something like riding Falcor through time and space to an existential crisis from owning 'The Cadillac of Bicycles'.My main mode of transportation was previously a Bilenky cargo bike. I loved/miss the upright posture and extra long wheelbase hence my interest in the Clem.I live in a small Philly row house with some challenges (I did not have the Bilenky at this house):To get into my house I have to get the bike up 4 stairs and in my front door which opens into a wall. I have to zig-zag bikes around this short wall to get them into the house.I store all my bicycles in my basement which is a 90 degree turn from the basement door to the relatively steep stairwell. To get bikes down the stairwell, I prop them up vertically on the rear wheel and walk them down the stairs in front on me holding the handlebars and strategically using the rear break.To get them out of the basement, I have a ramp that locks into the stairs. I shimmy the bike onto the ramp, put my left hand on the seat post, my right hand on the right handlebar grip and push the bike in front of me up the stairs and turn the bars at the precise moment navigate the 90 degree turn out of the basement door.My PBH is 85cm and saddle height 74cm so I could fit a 52 Clem but it sounds like a 59 Clem would be more ideal.There's a chance I would not have to take the front wheel off of the 52 to get the bike down the basement but it would likely require be turning the bars slightly which could be more sketchy.I would definitely have to take the front wheel off the 59 to get the bike down the basement. I might even have to take it off to get in the front door.What would you do if you were in my shoes? Is the Clem worth the hassle? Is sizing up to the 59 worth the extra hassle? Am I nuts for considering the Clem in general?Thanks for any insight you many have!



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[RBW] LF-WTB 1 inch or 1 1/8 Threadless Stem 25 degree rise

[Mike Godwin]

Hi Folks
I'm looking for a 1 inch or 1 1/8 inch steer tube threadless stem, 120-130 
mm extension and a 25 degree rise. Prefer black. 26 or 31.8 clamp diameter. 
I have bar shims. 

I have various items I can trade, or cash to you. 

Cross-posted on ibob-list. 

Mike SLO CA 

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[RBW] Re: Ultegra Headset Bearings- Serviceable?

[John Rinker]

Thanks, Bill! I always appreciate your thoughts on maintaining a nice 
bicycle. Yes, the headset is smooth and viscous, so there will be no need 
to pry it apart. I was hoping to clean and regrease the bearings as a 
matter of good maintenance, but it seems there's no need. Thanks Shimano!

Cheers, John

On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 7:52:29 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Yes and no.  It's not meant to happen, but if you determine that it must 
> happen, it can be done.  If you insist on prying it apart, and don't have a 
> great approach, and remain determined to do it anyway, it's definitely 
> possible to destroy stuff.  
>
> to first order, move the bearing in your fingers, one ring rotating 
> against the other.  If it feels smooth rather than rough, that's good.  If 
> you feel viscosity rather than dryness, that's also good.  Don't try to 
> take it apart.  If either of those things feels unacceptably bad to you, 
> then maybe you want to take it apart.  If you think you want to take it 
> apart because you think it's good preventative maintenance, or you think it 
> must be in need of an overhaul, then don't bother.  That's my advice.  
>
> I took apart a Deore LX model with similar architecture.  One of the 
> bearing units was pretty rusty and I did pull it apart, cleaned things out, 
> added new balls, and pressed it back together.  That's how I know it is 
> possible.  If your bearings are as hosed as mine were, give it a go.  If 
> you think they seem fine, they probably are.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, December 10, 2024 at 4:24:09 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Good evening.
>>
>> Below is a photo of the headset bearings from the Shimano Ultegra 
>> (HP-6500) from the Toyo Atlantis frame (circa. 2005-ish) I now ride.
>>
>> Do you know if these bearings are serviceable? I'm reluctant to pry 
>> anything open if this is not meant to happen.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>> [image: IMG_4322.jpg][image: IMG_4324.jpg]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Fall Liquidation

[Patrick Moore]

Corwin: I’ll take the caps and the Dahon bb but I’ll want to pay something
for the bb since you bought it from me originally — I forget. I’d say my
cost to you minus value of any use you got from it.

Thanks, Patrick

On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 7:10 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:

> Price elimianation, what's left and new items...
>
> Everything is now cost of shipping or free local pickup...
>
>
> Patagonia, Nike, New Balance Caps; One Size Fits Most
>
> Various colors. All in great condition.
>
>
> Look X-Track Pedals
>
> New in box.
> https://www.lookcycle.com/us-en/products/pedals/mtb/cross-country/x-track,
> still have two sets of these.
>
>
> Look X-Track En-Rage Pedals
>
> New in box.
> https://www.lookcycle.com/us-en/products/pedals/mtb/trail-enduro/x-track-en-rage
>
>
> MKS Supreme Pedals
>
> Some of the smoothest pedals I have ever ridden. Weighing just 294 grams.
> Sealed bearings. Gently used. Lots of miles left in these pedals.
>
>
> Ritchey Octalink Double Crankset
>
> Includes 48 and 38 tooth chainrings. Cranks are 172.5mm
>
>
> MKS Toe Clips, size large
>
> New in package.
>
>
> Look Keo Pedals
>
>
> Squre Taper Bottom Bracket.
>
> This came off the Dahon Han Solo I got from Patrick. Not making any claims
> about the length. I am a convert to outboard bearing bottom brackets. See
> photos. Laid the tape down next to the spindle. Make your own judgements
> about the size.
>
>
> Mini Saddle Bag
>
> Came off the Dahon Han Solo. Canvas with leather trim. Just enough space
> for a tube or two and a few tools.
>
>
> Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/YyhxubDf3vd2h3aZ9
>
> On Wednesday, December 4, 2024 at 7:55:01 PM UTC-8 Corwin Zechar wrote:
>
>> Price reductions, what's left and new items...
>>
>>
>> Rivendell Short Sleeved T-Shirt, Size XL
>>
>> This T-Shirt is embroidered with the Rivendell logo on the left breast.
>> No pocket. I'm the second owner. I wore it once. Gently worn and gently
>> laundered in cold water.
>>
>> Asking $30 + shipping
>>
>>
>> Rivendell Cycling Cap
>>
>> This came with my first custom. Never worn. These caps are just too small
>> for my fat head.
>>
>> Asking $35 + shipping
>>
>>
>> Patagonia, Nike, New Balance Caps; One Size Fits Most
>>
>> Various colors. All in great condition.
>>
>> Asking $5 each + shipping or take all seven for $25 + shipping
>>
>>
>> Look X-Track Pedals
>>
>> New in box.
>> https://www.lookcycle.com/us-en/products/pedals/mtb/cross-country/x-track,
>> still have two sets of these.
>>
>> Asking $20 + shipping.
>>
>>
>> Look X-Track En-Rage Pedals
>>
>> New in box.
>> https://www.lookcycle.com/us-en/products/pedals/mtb/trail-enduro/x-track-en-rage
>>
>> Asking $25 + shipping.
>>
>>
>> Oakley Radar T Limited Edition Sunglasses
>>
>> Worn once. Not Prizim, not polarized. See photos.
>>
>> Asking cost of shipping or free local pickup.
>>
>>
>> MKS Supreme Pedals
>>
>> Some of the smoothest pedals I have ever ridden. Weighing just 294 grams.
>> Sealed bearings. Gently used. Lots of miles left in these pedals.
>>
>> Asking $45 + shipping
>>
>>
>> Ritchey Octalink Double Crankset
>>
>> Includes 48 and 38 tooth chainrings. Cranks are 172.5mm
>>
>> Asking $40 + shipping
>>
>>
>> MKS Toe Clips, size large
>>
>> New in package.
>>
>> Asking cost of shipping or free local pickup.
>>
>>
>> Look Keo Pedals
>>
>> Asking cost of shipping or free local pickup.
>>
>>
>> Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/YyhxubDf3vd2h3aZ9
>>
>>
>> The Brooks saddle, TA, No Name and 50.4 Cranksets, books and bottle cages
>> are all gone.
>> On Sunday, December 1, 2024 at 4:21:47 PM UTC-8 Corwin Zechar wrote:
>>
>>> New Item:
>>>
>>> Nitto Tallux Stem - 10cm reach, 225mm quill, 26.0mm clamp
>>>
>>> This stem came on the Ram. It's in great condition with the exception of
>>> some light insertion marks (see photos). The triangular nut on the back of
>>> the clamp has been replaced by a hex nut.
>>>
>>> Asking $30 + shipping
>>> Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/YyhxubDf3vd2h3aZ9
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Corwin
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 9, 2024 at 6:20:54 PM UTC-8 Corwin Zechar wrote:
>>>
 Further price reductions. More new Items. TA Crankset is gone.  See
 Below.

 MKS Supreme Pedals

 Some of the smoothest pedals I have ever ridden. Weighing just 294
 grams. Sealed bearings. Gently used. Lots of miles left in these pedals.

 Asking $50 + shipping


 Oakley Radar T Limited Edition Sunglasses

 Worn once. No case.

 Asking $50 + shipping


 Schwalbe G-One Speed

 700Cx40mm, folding bead. Ridden less than 50 miles. I don't run
 tubeless. No slime here.

 Asking $50 for both tires + shipping for the pair.


 Schwalbe G-One All Round

 700Cx40mm, folding bead. Ridden less than 100 miles. I don't run
 tubeless. No slime here.

 Asking $50 for both tires + shipping for the pair.


 Look X-Track Pedals

 New in box.
 https://www.lookcycle.com/us-en/

[RBW] Re: Ultegra Headset Bearings- Serviceable?

[Will Boericke]

The only sealed bearings I've used that are meant to be cleaned and 
regreased are Chris King.  You *can* do it to regular sealed bearings but 
I've never had much success.  They are meant to be replaced but last for a 
very long time.

Will

On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 12:25:33 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:

> Thanks, Bill! I always appreciate your thoughts on maintaining a nice 
> bicycle. Yes, the headset is smooth and viscous, so there will be no need 
> to pry it apart. I was hoping to clean and regrease the bearings as a 
> matter of good maintenance, but it seems there's no need. Thanks Shimano!
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 7:52:29 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Yes and no.  It's not meant to happen, but if you determine that it must 
>> happen, it can be done.  If you insist on prying it apart, and don't have a 
>> great approach, and remain determined to do it anyway, it's definitely 
>> possible to destroy stuff.  
>>
>> to first order, move the bearing in your fingers, one ring rotating 
>> against the other.  If it feels smooth rather than rough, that's good.  If 
>> you feel viscosity rather than dryness, that's also good.  Don't try to 
>> take it apart.  If either of those things feels unacceptably bad to you, 
>> then maybe you want to take it apart.  If you think you want to take it 
>> apart because you think it's good preventative maintenance, or you think it 
>> must be in need of an overhaul, then don't bother.  That's my advice.  
>>
>> I took apart a Deore LX model with similar architecture.  One of the 
>> bearing units was pretty rusty and I did pull it apart, cleaned things out, 
>> added new balls, and pressed it back together.  That's how I know it is 
>> possible.  If your bearings are as hosed as mine were, give it a go.  If 
>> you think they seem fine, they probably are.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 10, 2024 at 4:24:09 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Good evening.
>>>
>>> Below is a photo of the headset bearings from the Shimano Ultegra 
>>> (HP-6500) from the Toyo Atlantis frame (circa. 2005-ish) I now ride.
>>>
>>> Do you know if these bearings are serviceable? I'm reluctant to pry 
>>> anything open if this is not meant to happen.
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>> [image: IMG_4322.jpg][image: IMG_4324.jpg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Is it worth it? Am I crazy?

[Patrick Moore]

Antone: Will you please post a photo of your Cheviot?

Long ago there was a “show us your beater commuter” thread on the boblist,
with some very interesting results; I recall someone who had made a
“pseudo-Ram” out of a cheap UJB by nicely taping the frame entirely in
orange duct tape. Then there was Sheldon’s winter fixed gear mtb conversion
commuter which he left outside in the snow, simply dribbling used motor oil
onto the drivetrain every so often.

Question, aside: my daughter lives in Brooklyn, near Prospect Park. Is that
general area largely safe for locked up bikes and human owners? Thanks.



On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 7:35 AM lambbo  wrote:

> Hi Jamie,
>
> I'm in Brooklyn, and have a Cheviot which I keep locked up outside on a
> street sign (8 years now).   New locks, including for your seat, wheels,
> stem, and any bolt you feel like locking, really are a game changer...I
> also have intentionally destroyed the aesthetic of my cheviot using paint
> stripper, brown paint, bits of other colors, and scratches on my seat, to
> deter thieves.It looks like a huge, old, rusty women's bike to most
> thieves, not really a market for that.
>
> I can't say it will always work, but is has so far, and the amount of
> hassle I've avoided getting my bike in and out of my apartment over the
> years has kept me commuting on a wonderful bike.  If someone stole my bike
> tomorrow, I think the cost benefit would still be in my favor (it's also a
> used bike with used dynamo used everything for that reason, but still rides
> like a dream).
>
> The paint stripper and brown matte paint are probably the best deterrent,
> but the locks I use are Abus Bordo and a lot of hex locks on everything.
>
> Hope that's helpful,
> Antone
> On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 4:01:03 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Hi Jamie.
>>
>> Try Ben’s Clem. ( ben—I thinkknow you— you have an adorable child and a
>> green Clem that you share with your wife?) The Clem is very long but I bet
>> you love the ride. If you also want to try 55 Platy you’re welcome to try
>> mine for testing.  It will be less long and lighter than the Clem.I’m
>> in center city i’ve had similar issues getting my bike in and out of the
>> house.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Monday, December 9, 2024 at 1:15:39 PM UTC-5 Jamie D. wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Everyone!
>>>
>>> Sorry for this long first post, I hope you can help me navigate stepping
>>> into the Rivendell universe in a rational way.
>>>
>>> I'm just getting back into cycling again after a long absence.
>>> Previously I lead a no-car-multi-bike lifestyle for over a decade.
>>>
>>> I'm drawn towards the Clem Smith Jr. – the accounts I've read here range
>>> from something like riding Falcor through time and space to an existential
>>> crisis from owning 'The Cadillac of Bicycles'.
>>>
>>> My main mode of transportation was previously a Bilenky cargo bike
>>> .
>>> I loved/miss the upright posture and extra long wheelbase hence my interest
>>> in the Clem.
>>>
>>> I live in a small Philly row house with some challenges (I did not have
>>> the Bilenky at this house):
>>>
>>>
>>>- To get into my house I have to get the bike up 4 stairs and in my
>>>front door which opens into a wall. I have to zig-zag bikes around this
>>>short wall to get them into the house.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>- I store all my bicycles in my basement which is a 90 degree turn
>>>from the basement door to the relatively steep stairwell. To get bikes 
>>> down
>>>the stairwell, I prop them up vertically on the rear wheel and walk them
>>>down the stairs in front on me holding the handlebars and strategically
>>>using the rear break.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>- To get them out of the basement, I have a ramp that locks into the
>>>stairs. I shimmy the bike onto the ramp, put my left hand on the seat 
>>> post,
>>>my right hand on the right handlebar grip and push the bike in front of 
>>> me
>>>up the stairs and turn the bars at the precise moment navigate the 90
>>>degree turn out of the basement door.
>>>
>>>
>>> My PBH is 85cm and saddle height 74cm so I could fit a 52 Clem but it
>>> sounds like a 59 Clem would be more ideal.
>>>
>>> There's a chance I would not have to take the front wheel off of the 52
>>> to get the bike down the basement but it would likely require be turning
>>> the bars slightly which could be more sketchy.
>>>
>>> I would definitely have to take the front wheel off the 59 to get the
>>> bike down the basement. I might even have to take it off to get in the
>>> front door.
>>>
>>> What would you do if you were in my shoes? Is the Clem worth the hassle?
>>> Is sizing up to the 59 worth the extra hassle? Am I nuts for considering
>>> the Clem in general?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any insight you many have!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] The Riv low-normal derailer

[Johnny Alien]

I think the only reason Rivendell has not leaned into Microshift before is 
because 1. Grant has a long history of liking Shimano stuff and has not had 
a huge problem finding some really good cheap ones from what they offer and 
2. Microshift (I think) are made in China and Rivendell at one point had a 
"nothing made in China" stance to what they sold but I think that loosened 
when that became the only source for certain products.

On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 6:52:38 AM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:

> I’m not a fan of reverse action derailers. I don’t see any benefit in 
> using them. My Dahon has this type—I think they did it for the package 
> benefit, but I’m not sure—and it seems like every other shift is a triple 
> shift: whoops, wrong way, double shift back the other way to the gear I 
> want. 
>
> I do wonder if Riv considered making this with a clutch.  Derailers with a 
> clutch are amazing off road. 
>
> Eric
>
> On Saturday, December 7, 2024, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> The latest Blahg states that MicroShift has agreed to produce it, 
>> presumably making it possible for Riv to sell a rear derailer at a 
>> non-insane price. Which is great but now it looks like a MicroShift 
>> derailer and I have mixed feelings about this. Thoughts? 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>> Clearlake CA 
>>
>> [image: Screenshot_20241207_072221.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Is it worth it? Am I crazy?

[Richard Rose]

Jamie(?). I am late to this conversation but I have some thoughts. I adore my 53 Clem - to the tune of closing in on 9,000 miles in three years. I cannot not ride it. I think the “Cadillac” of bikes is a huge disservice to the bike. It implied that the ride is smooth but not responsive. This is simply wrong in my experience. There is nowhere I would not take my Clem with the exception of serious singletrack. I have a Gus for that. That said, there is one other place I would not want to take my Clem - up stairs!  Mine is just a 52 & it’s unwieldy to move around tight spaces. I roll mine in & out of the garage & thats enough.:) Your description of moving up & down stairs in your Philly home sounds like torture to me. But I am old so…My two cents.Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 11, 2024, at 4:01 AM, Roberta  wrote:Hi Jamie. Try Ben’s Clem. ( ben—I thinkknow you— you have an adorable child and a green Clem that you share with your wife?) The Clem is very long but I bet you love the ride. If you also want to try 55 Platy you’re welcome to try mine for testing.  It will be less long and lighter than the Clem.    I’m in center city i’ve had similar issues getting my bike in and out of the house. RobertaOn Monday, December 9, 2024 at 1:15:39 PM UTC-5 Jamie D. wrote:Hi Everyone!Sorry for this long first post, I hope you can help me navigate stepping into the Rivendell universe in a rational way.I'm just getting back into cycling again after a long absence. Previously I lead a no-car-multi-bike lifestyle for over a decade.I'm drawn towards the Clem Smith Jr. – the accounts I've read here range from something like riding Falcor through time and space to an existential crisis from owning 'The Cadillac of Bicycles'.My main mode of transportation was previously a Bilenky cargo bike. I loved/miss the upright posture and extra long wheelbase hence my interest in the Clem.I live in a small Philly row house with some challenges (I did not have the Bilenky at this house):To get into my house I have to get the bike up 4 stairs and in my front door which opens into a wall. I have to zig-zag bikes around this short wall to get them into the house.I store all my bicycles in my basement which is a 90 degree turn from the basement door to the relatively steep stairwell. To get bikes down the stairwell, I prop them up vertically on the rear wheel and walk them down the stairs in front on me holding the handlebars and strategically using the rear break.To get them out of the basement, I have a ramp that locks into the stairs. I shimmy the bike onto the ramp, put my left hand on the seat post, my right hand on the right handlebar grip and push the bike in front of me up the stairs and turn the bars at the precise moment navigate the 90 degree turn out of the basement door.My PBH is 85cm and saddle height 74cm so I could fit a 52 Clem but it sounds like a 59 Clem would be more ideal.There's a chance I would not have to take the front wheel off of the 52 to get the bike down the basement but it would likely require be turning the bars slightly which could be more sketchy.I would definitely have to take the front wheel off the 59 to get the bike down the basement. I might even have to take it off to get in the front door.What would you do if you were in my shoes? Is the Clem worth the hassle? Is sizing up to the 59 worth the extra hassle? Am I nuts for considering the Clem in general?Thanks for any insight you many have!



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Re: [RBW] The Riv low-normal derailer

[Jeffery S]

Speaking of xtr rapid rise, not mine and no relation
https://www.ebay.com/itm/375832978434

I’m curious about the silver OM and will probably get one. When it came out 
that Riv was working with microshift, I felt it was good news to have it 
available to a wider market. Maybe it will catch on and Grant can have some 
influence on looks.

Some if the MS derailleurs look like some spooky transformers, but the 3D 
drawing doesn’t look bad IMO. More like an Deore XT M750

[image: IMG_0126.jpeg]



On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 6:35:00 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

I think the only reason Rivendell has not leaned into Microshift before is 
because 1. Grant has a long history of liking Shimano stuff and has not had 
a huge problem finding some really good cheap ones from what they offer and 
2. Microshift (I think) are made in China and Rivendell at one point had a 
"nothing made in China" stance to what they sold but I think that loosened 
when that became the only source for certain products.

On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 6:52:38 AM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:

I’m not a fan of reverse action derailers. I don’t see any benefit in using 
them. My Dahon has this type—I think they did it for the package benefit, 
but I’m not sure—and it seems like every other shift is a triple shift: 
whoops, wrong way, double shift back the other way to the gear I want. 

I do wonder if Riv considered making this with a clutch.  Derailers with a 
clutch are amazing off road. 

Eric

On Saturday, December 7, 2024, Joe Bernard  wrote:

The latest Blahg states that MicroShift has agreed to produce it, 
presumably making it possible for Riv to sell a rear derailer at a 
non-insane price. Which is great but now it looks like a MicroShift 
derailer and I have mixed feelings about this. Thoughts? 

Joe Bernard 
Clearlake CA 

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[RBW] Re: Is it worth it? Am I crazy?

[lambbo]

Hi Jamie, 

I'm in Brooklyn, and have a Cheviot which I keep locked up outside on a 
street sign (8 years now).   New locks, including for your seat, wheels, 
stem, and any bolt you feel like locking, really are a game changer...I 
also have intentionally destroyed the aesthetic of my cheviot using paint 
stripper, brown paint, bits of other colors, and scratches on my seat, to 
deter thieves.It looks like a huge, old, rusty women's bike to most 
thieves, not really a market for that.  

I can't say it will always work, but is has so far, and the amount of 
hassle I've avoided getting my bike in and out of my apartment over the 
years has kept me commuting on a wonderful bike.  If someone stole my bike 
tomorrow, I think the cost benefit would still be in my favor (it's also a 
used bike with used dynamo used everything for that reason, but still rides 
like a dream). 

The paint stripper and brown matte paint are probably the best deterrent, 
but the locks I use are Abus Bordo and a lot of hex locks on everything. 

Hope that's helpful,
Antone
On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 4:01:03 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Hi Jamie. 
>
> Try Ben’s Clem. ( ben—I thinkknow you— you have an adorable child and a 
> green Clem that you share with your wife?) The Clem is very long but I bet 
> you love the ride. If you also want to try 55 Platy you’re welcome to try 
> mine for testing.  It will be less long and lighter than the Clem.I’m 
> in center city i’ve had similar issues getting my bike in and out of the 
> house. 
>
> Roberta
>
> On Monday, December 9, 2024 at 1:15:39 PM UTC-5 Jamie D. wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone!
>>
>> Sorry for this long first post, I hope you can help me navigate stepping 
>> into the Rivendell universe in a rational way.
>>
>> I'm just getting back into cycling again after a long absence. Previously 
>> I lead a no-car-multi-bike lifestyle for over a decade.
>>
>> I'm drawn towards the Clem Smith Jr. – the accounts I've read here range 
>> from something like riding Falcor through time and space to an existential 
>> crisis from owning 'The Cadillac of Bicycles'.
>>
>> My main mode of transportation was previously a Bilenky cargo bike 
>> . 
>> I loved/miss the upright posture and extra long wheelbase hence my interest 
>> in the Clem.
>>
>> I live in a small Philly row house with some challenges (I did not have 
>> the Bilenky at this house):
>>
>>
>>- To get into my house I have to get the bike up 4 stairs and in my 
>>front door which opens into a wall. I have to zig-zag bikes around this 
>>short wall to get them into the house.
>>
>>
>>
>>- I store all my bicycles in my basement which is a 90 degree turn 
>>from the basement door to the relatively steep stairwell. To get bikes 
>> down 
>>the stairwell, I prop them up vertically on the rear wheel and walk them 
>>down the stairs in front on me holding the handlebars and strategically 
>>using the rear break.
>>
>>
>>
>>- To get them out of the basement, I have a ramp that locks into the 
>>stairs. I shimmy the bike onto the ramp, put my left hand on the seat 
>> post, 
>>my right hand on the right handlebar grip and push the bike in front of 
>> me 
>>up the stairs and turn the bars at the precise moment navigate the 90 
>>degree turn out of the basement door.
>>
>>
>> My PBH is 85cm and saddle height 74cm so I could fit a 52 Clem but it 
>> sounds like a 59 Clem would be more ideal.
>>
>> There's a chance I would not have to take the front wheel off of the 52 
>> to get the bike down the basement but it would likely require be turning 
>> the bars slightly which could be more sketchy.
>>
>> I would definitely have to take the front wheel off the 59 to get the 
>> bike down the basement. I might even have to take it off to get in the 
>> front door.
>>
>> What would you do if you were in my shoes? Is the Clem worth the hassle? 
>> Is sizing up to the 59 worth the extra hassle? Am I nuts for considering 
>> the Clem in general?
>>
>> Thanks for any insight you many have!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Ultegra Headset Bearings- Serviceable?

[Bill Lindsay]

Yes and no.  It's not meant to happen, but if you determine that it must 
happen, it can be done.  If you insist on prying it apart, and don't have a 
great approach, and remain determined to do it anyway, it's definitely 
possible to destroy stuff.  

to first order, move the bearing in your fingers, one ring rotating against 
the other.  If it feels smooth rather than rough, that's good.  If you feel 
viscosity rather than dryness, that's also good.  Don't try to take it 
apart.  If either of those things feels unacceptably bad to you, then maybe 
you want to take it apart.  If you think you want to take it apart because 
you think it's good preventative maintenance, or you think it must be in 
need of an overhaul, then don't bother.  That's my advice.  

I took apart a Deore LX model with similar architecture.  One of the 
bearing units was pretty rusty and I did pull it apart, cleaned things out, 
added new balls, and pressed it back together.  That's how I know it is 
possible.  If your bearings are as hosed as mine were, give it a go.  If 
you think they seem fine, they probably are.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, December 10, 2024 at 4:24:09 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:

> Good evening.
>
> Below is a photo of the headset bearings from the Shimano Ultegra 
> (HP-6500) from the Toyo Atlantis frame (circa. 2005-ish) I now ride.
>
> Do you know if these bearings are serviceable? I'm reluctant to pry 
> anything open if this is not meant to happen.
>
> Cheers, John
> [image: IMG_4322.jpg][image: IMG_4324.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: Is it worth it? Am I crazy?

[DavidP]

Antone - The amount of dedication and will power needed to go through with 
making a nice bike look bad as a theft deterrent will never cease to 
impress me.

Ride on!
-Dave (out in the 'burbs near Boston)

On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 9:35:33 AM UTC-5 lambbo wrote:

> Hi Jamie, 
>
> I'm in Brooklyn, and have a Cheviot which I keep locked up outside on a 
> street sign (8 years now).   New locks, including for your seat, wheels, 
> stem, and any bolt you feel like locking, really are a game changer...I 
> also have intentionally destroyed the aesthetic of my cheviot using paint 
> stripper, brown paint, bits of other colors, and scratches on my seat, to 
> deter thieves.It looks like a huge, old, rusty women's bike to most 
> thieves, not really a market for that.  
>
> I can't say it will always work, but is has so far, and the amount of 
> hassle I've avoided getting my bike in and out of my apartment over the 
> years has kept me commuting on a wonderful bike.  If someone stole my bike 
> tomorrow, I think the cost benefit would still be in my favor (it's also a 
> used bike with used dynamo used everything for that reason, but still rides 
> like a dream). 
>
> The paint stripper and brown matte paint are probably the best deterrent, 
> but the locks I use are Abus Bordo and a lot of hex locks on everything. 
>
> Hope that's helpful,
> Antone
> On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 4:01:03 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Hi Jamie. 
>>
>> Try Ben’s Clem. ( ben—I thinkknow you— you have an adorable child and a 
>> green Clem that you share with your wife?) The Clem is very long but I bet 
>> you love the ride. If you also want to try 55 Platy you’re welcome to try 
>> mine for testing.  It will be less long and lighter than the Clem.I’m 
>> in center city i’ve had similar issues getting my bike in and out of the 
>> house. 
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Monday, December 9, 2024 at 1:15:39 PM UTC-5 Jamie D. wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Everyone!
>>>
>>> Sorry for this long first post, I hope you can help me navigate stepping 
>>> into the Rivendell universe in a rational way.
>>>
>>> I'm just getting back into cycling again after a long absence. 
>>> Previously I lead a no-car-multi-bike lifestyle for over a decade.
>>>
>>> I'm drawn towards the Clem Smith Jr. – the accounts I've read here range 
>>> from something like riding Falcor through time and space to an existential 
>>> crisis from owning 'The Cadillac of Bicycles'.
>>>
>>> My main mode of transportation was previously a Bilenky cargo bike 
>>> . 
>>> I loved/miss the upright posture and extra long wheelbase hence my interest 
>>> in the Clem.
>>>
>>> I live in a small Philly row house with some challenges (I did not have 
>>> the Bilenky at this house):
>>>
>>>
>>>- To get into my house I have to get the bike up 4 stairs and in my 
>>>front door which opens into a wall. I have to zig-zag bikes around this 
>>>short wall to get them into the house.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>- I store all my bicycles in my basement which is a 90 degree turn 
>>>from the basement door to the relatively steep stairwell. To get bikes 
>>> down 
>>>the stairwell, I prop them up vertically on the rear wheel and walk them 
>>>down the stairs in front on me holding the handlebars and strategically 
>>>using the rear break.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>- To get them out of the basement, I have a ramp that locks into the 
>>>stairs. I shimmy the bike onto the ramp, put my left hand on the seat 
>>> post, 
>>>my right hand on the right handlebar grip and push the bike in front of 
>>> me 
>>>up the stairs and turn the bars at the precise moment navigate the 90 
>>>degree turn out of the basement door.
>>>
>>>
>>> My PBH is 85cm and saddle height 74cm so I could fit a 52 Clem but it 
>>> sounds like a 59 Clem would be more ideal.
>>>
>>> There's a chance I would not have to take the front wheel off of the 52 
>>> to get the bike down the basement but it would likely require be turning 
>>> the bars slightly which could be more sketchy.
>>>
>>> I would definitely have to take the front wheel off the 59 to get the 
>>> bike down the basement. I might even have to take it off to get in the 
>>> front door.
>>>
>>> What would you do if you were in my shoes? Is the Clem worth the hassle? 
>>> Is sizing up to the 59 worth the extra hassle? Am I nuts for considering 
>>> the Clem in general?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any insight you many have!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Ultradynamico Rose Race (Grey) 650B

[Ryan Mulcahy]

Hey, Brian -- yeah it's a good question! There was rip in the sidewall of 
the first set -- they sealed up OK but would still flat more than I could 
deal with. But I was feeling charitable and chalked it up to bad luck. From 
there I got the 2.2s and loved them, then when I got a new wheel set for 
the Bombora, the shop owner recommended combo of the 650b cava/rose so I 
did it again -- and again had really good luck. My latest addition is a set 
off 700s for the Hilsen, replacing RH.
I didn't feel much of a speed drop-off from the RHs and I just couldn't 
deal with how fussy the Renes were - I was filling them up every other day. 
Possibly just bad luck. And also it's just me -- I would much rather pay a 
speed penalty (up to point) than have to air up tires once a week. One of 
my fav sets of all time are the specialized pathfinders my wife has on her 
Joe App. Nothing fancy, a touch heavy, but these tires have not needed 
sealant or even air for 8 months and they roll over everything.


On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 4:25:32 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I've tried them a few times because I think they look beautiful and I 
> really want to like them because of that but they did make a lot of noise 
> and they ride slow and heavy. Not really sure how else to describe it. Come 
> from RH they were noticeably sluggish. I tried both the race and JFF 
> casing. They both felt like the same ride to me. I am back with RH and very 
> happy. BUT loads of people still love them and tires are a personal thing.
>
> On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 3:50:01 PM UTC-5 Brian Turner wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sharing your experience, Ryan! This is helpful. 
>> Coincidentally, these would also be for my Crust Bombora, which desperately 
>> needs new rubber to replace the RH knobbies that I've had on there for the 
>> past couple of years.
>> I'm curious to hear why you stuck with them after not having an initial 
>> positive experience - they're so pricey! I've read various accounts of them 
>> being loud on pavement, notoriously leaky, and overall not very robust... 
>> but then I've also heard from folks who speak highly of them.
>>
>> Brian
>> Lex KY
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Is it worth it? Am I crazy?

[Roberta]

Hi Jamie. 

Try Ben’s Clem. ( ben—I thinkknow you— you have an adorable child and a 
green Clem that you share with your wife?) The Clem is very long but I bet 
you love the ride. If you also want to try 55 Platy you’re welcome to try 
mine for testing.  It will be less long and lighter than the Clem.I’m 
in center city i’ve had similar issues getting my bike in and out of the 
house. 

Roberta

On Monday, December 9, 2024 at 1:15:39 PM UTC-5 Jamie D. wrote:

> Hi Everyone!
>
> Sorry for this long first post, I hope you can help me navigate stepping 
> into the Rivendell universe in a rational way.
>
> I'm just getting back into cycling again after a long absence. Previously 
> I lead a no-car-multi-bike lifestyle for over a decade.
>
> I'm drawn towards the Clem Smith Jr. – the accounts I've read here range 
> from something like riding Falcor through time and space to an existential 
> crisis from owning 'The Cadillac of Bicycles'.
>
> My main mode of transportation was previously a Bilenky cargo bike 
> . I 
> loved/miss the upright posture and extra long wheelbase hence my interest 
> in the Clem.
>
> I live in a small Philly row house with some challenges (I did not have 
> the Bilenky at this house):
>
>
>- To get into my house I have to get the bike up 4 stairs and in my 
>front door which opens into a wall. I have to zig-zag bikes around this 
>short wall to get them into the house.
>
>
>
>- I store all my bicycles in my basement which is a 90 degree turn 
>from the basement door to the relatively steep stairwell. To get bikes 
> down 
>the stairwell, I prop them up vertically on the rear wheel and walk them 
>down the stairs in front on me holding the handlebars and strategically 
>using the rear break.
>
>
>
>- To get them out of the basement, I have a ramp that locks into the 
>stairs. I shimmy the bike onto the ramp, put my left hand on the seat 
> post, 
>my right hand on the right handlebar grip and push the bike in front of me 
>up the stairs and turn the bars at the precise moment navigate the 90 
>degree turn out of the basement door.
>
>
> My PBH is 85cm and saddle height 74cm so I could fit a 52 Clem but it 
> sounds like a 59 Clem would be more ideal.
>
> There's a chance I would not have to take the front wheel off of the 52 to 
> get the bike down the basement but it would likely require be turning the 
> bars slightly which could be more sketchy.
>
> I would definitely have to take the front wheel off the 59 to get the bike 
> down the basement. I might even have to take it off to get in the front 
> door.
>
> What would you do if you were in my shoes? Is the Clem worth the hassle? 
> Is sizing up to the 59 worth the extra hassle? Am I nuts for considering 
> the Clem in general?
>
> Thanks for any insight you many have!
>

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[RBW] Re: The Riv low-normal derailer

[R. Alexis]

My guess, or hope is that the Microshift der is to get the derailleurs they 
want with Shimano and such moving away from traditional looking and 
operating offerings and that the retro stylized version will come out down 
the road. A bit like the Silver 2 shifter after the Soma/Interloc(IRD) 
friction thumb shifter that was the modified Silver 1 on a flat bar mount. 
I liked the looks of the prototypes they showed.  

I was on the fence for the OM/Rapid Rise movement, until I read Grants 
thoughts on it. Made more sense to me after. I had a Shimano C201 rear 
hanging around. I put it on "Issue Bike" my Trek 5900 OCLV carbon just 
because. Was already building bike with parts that had random issues. Have 
only rode that bike a few times. 

I put thoughts into getting one when released. Will see. I am overrun with 
stuff at the moment that I don't really need anything and my Rivendell 
Mountain is where I want it. Every time I think of changing something I 
change back. Swapped the SunTour XC-Pro thumbies for XC-Pro level Wishbone 
shifters, then changed back. Swapped out Wilderness Trail Bikes (WTB) SST 
saddle for Brooks B-17, changed back. Changed out the WTB Racing Raptor 
tires for some Ritchey Megabite 1.4 tires, went back to a proper sized 
similar type with the Schwalbe Sammy Slick. 

I am surprised Rivendell hadn't leaned more into MicroShift, or SunRace 
sooner. Pretty sure pricing, function and availability worked in favor of 
Shimano up to this point. SRAM proprietary shifting pull was probably a no 
go. Had they kept Sachs stuff around may have been a different story. 

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis

On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 9:49:38 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The latest Blahg states that MicroShift has agreed to produce it, 
> presumably making it possible for Riv to sell a rear derailer at a 
> non-insane price. Which is great but now it looks like a MicroShift 
> derailer and I have mixed feelings about this. Thoughts? 
>
> Joe Bernard 
> Clearlake CA 
>
> [image: Screenshot_20241207_072221.jpg]
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fall Photos 2024

[Kevin McNamara]

This makes me wonder why I never bring a film camera on a ride.  Thank you
for sharing.

On Wed, Dec 11, 2024, 5:28 AM Scott Minor  wrote:

>
>
> It’s more winter now but just rec’d back a roll of film I shot during a
> fall ride in VA… can’t see the atlantis much but hey :)  some great
> riding!
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[RBW] Ed Litton injured

[Berkeleyan]

Ed Litton is a frame builder and bicycle painter that many of us in the Bay 
Area know of, some have even had him work on our bikes. He's renowned for 
his work on classic steel frame bicycles. He suffered a spinal injury while 
riding last week, and is in the hospital. 

Details and an opportunity to help are at:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-ed-litton-heal-from-spinal-injury and 

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/1303018-ed-litton.html

- Andrew, Berkeley

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rim width vs tire width

[Armand Kizirian]

Jan Heine's take on the topic. I trust his opinions on tires, hard to argue 
that many people in the world have spent more time studying and 
experimenting with tires. 

https://www.renehersecycles.com/myth-18-wide-tires-need-wide-rims/

On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 12:18:29 PM UTC-8 robtw...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Ha, was in my LBS on Monday picking up my bike and talking about building 
> up some 650b wheels. We were chatting about rim width with respect to tire 
> width and the only callout my pro made was that a wider rim will "flatten" 
> the tire profile. I mentioned that maybe really wide tires would look silly 
> on narrow rims, and he responded "you've got way better eyes than me". 
>
> We chatted some more, but he is definitely in the "any tire on any rim" 
> camp.
>
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 2:03 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> +1. Back in my day I rode 50 mm tires aggressively offroad on ~13 mm IW 
>> rims for years with no problem, and recently rode 72 mm actual tires on ~18 
>> mm IW rims, tubeless tires on non-tubeless rims, just with lotsa tape, 
>> again with no problems. 
>>
>> You do have to keep the pressure up, tho’ I rode the 72s down to a safe 
>> 12 psi.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, channeling Abe Simpson in ABQ, NM.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 12:50 PM Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry I'm late to this thread, but back in the day (mid 90s?), I was 
>>> mountain biking on Mavic Open Pro rims with 2.5" tires.  I think that is 
>>> 15c (inner width) with ~62 mm tires?  That's way off the chart below, but I 
>>> never had any issues over many years of riding.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Ultradynamico Rose Race (Grey) 650B

[Jason Fuller]

I swore I saw a pair for sale recently somewhere and am trawling around 
trying to find them - in the meantime if I could pile on my unsolicited 
advice too.  I feel similarly to the others; I've worn through 2 pairs of 
the 650x48 Rose race grey, which is to say I clearly find them useful, but 
couple important points:  I would say they are slower, louder, and less 
overall grippy than the Rene Herse knobbies, and their casing is equally 
prone to tubeless trouble (if not more). Sadly you will not get away from 
luck-of-the-draw tubeless incompatibility, which is true of everything 
Panaracer makes it would seem.  I only run my Panaracers with tubes, 
personally. 

Why do I keep running them, then?  I find they are great with fenders - the 
more slick center section and widely spaced, lower profile side knobs don't 
pick up stones and sticks like RH knobbies do. They also obviously look 
great.   If you want a fast rolling, easy tubeless, grippy tire in 
650x47/48 I suggest the Terra Trail from Continental. But if you want the 
grey good looks, I don't blame you, and they're still a good tire. I would 
only run them with tubes though. 

On Wednesday, 11 December 2024 at 14:28:24 UTC-8 rmulc...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey, Brian -- yeah it's a good question! There was rip in the sidewall of 
> the first set -- they sealed up OK but would still flat more than I could 
> deal with. But I was feeling charitable and chalked it up to bad luck. From 
> there I got the 2.2s and loved them, then when I got a new wheel set for 
> the Bombora, the shop owner recommended combo of the 650b cava/rose so I 
> did it again -- and again had really good luck. My latest addition is a set 
> off 700s for the Hilsen, replacing RH.
> I didn't feel much of a speed drop-off from the RHs and I just couldn't 
> deal with how fussy the Renes were - I was filling them up every other day. 
> Possibly just bad luck. And also it's just me -- I would much rather pay a 
> speed penalty (up to point) than have to air up tires once a week. One of 
> my fav sets of all time are the specialized pathfinders my wife has on her 
> Joe App. Nothing fancy, a touch heavy, but these tires have not needed 
> sealant or even air for 8 months and they roll over everything.
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 4:25:32 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I've tried them a few times because I think they look beautiful and I 
>> really want to like them because of that but they did make a lot of noise 
>> and they ride slow and heavy. Not really sure how else to describe it. Come 
>> from RH they were noticeably sluggish. I tried both the race and JFF 
>> casing. They both felt like the same ride to me. I am back with RH and very 
>> happy. BUT loads of people still love them and tires are a personal thing.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 3:50:01 PM UTC-5 Brian Turner wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for sharing your experience, Ryan! This is helpful. 
>>> Coincidentally, these would also be for my Crust Bombora, which desperately 
>>> needs new rubber to replace the RH knobbies that I've had on there for the 
>>> past couple of years.
>>> I'm curious to hear why you stuck with them after not having an initial 
>>> positive experience - they're so pricey! I've read various accounts of them 
>>> being loud on pavement, notoriously leaky, and overall not very robust... 
>>> but then I've also heard from folks who speak highly of them.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>> Lex KY
>>>
>>>
>>>

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