Re: [RBW] Re: NBD for my daughter

[Leah Peterson]

Stop it. I’m dead. Killed by an overload of DARLING!Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 13, 2024, at 3:51 PM, Josh C  wrote:On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 12:29:14 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:As for the head badge, I may reach out to Riv and see if I can buy one. I think she'd like that. On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 12:28:13 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:Thanks for the replies. Yeah, I knew it was an earlier run. The bike was sold in May 2017 by a Riv dealer here in Indianapolis, which is no longer in business in the state. Hazel is 13 years old but living downtown she gets around pretty much all over by herself or with a friend; most often on a bike.  She has already ridden it to the block party last night, a friend's house several times, the grocery store (for sleepover trash pizza and snacks), and back and forth numerous times to fulfill her dog sitting/walking obligations that he enrolled in for the weekend. She rides to school most days and all over the city with friends. Next year her school commute will be about 3 miles round trip, and I'm sure her Clem will soak up most of those miles. On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 11:25:44 AM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:Congratulations!  I hope she loves it.Regarding the headbadge, I'm pretty sure Rivendell HQ will sell you one.  You may even have a choice between bronze or pewter color, since they made both and picked colors at random.  At that time, they came loose in the box, and the owner was supposed to install them themselves. IF they wanted. Or they could monogram it or leave it off to hide the pedigree of the bike as a sort of theft deterrent. Original owner probably lost, forgot  or decided they wanted to use it elsewhere.More useless Clem trivia:  The first batch was not supposed to have creme highlights on the fork wings OR any lug windows  OR even have decals installed, either. They were supposed to come with a pack of alphanumeric characters that the buyer could use to personalize the name.  The "Clem Smith Jr,: if it was even going to be installed at all, was supposed to be on top of the clear coat.  It didn't happen as planned.  I think Riv just gave up after that miscommunication, and went along with the normal, permanent decal application for future runs.  If the fork wings aren't painted, this might be a 2nd run, as Leah noted.Given the bike's design intent,  it wouldn't be inapropriate to let your daughter pick her own headbadge!  Some piece of jewelry or sticker or bottlecap or toy or?.  Gently hamner it into a curve and stick it on with heavy-duty, two-sided foam tape...On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 8:49:25 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:It’s true; the early Clems didn’t have the cream fills. We have a 1st edition Clem H in that French blue and no cream fills. I think it was the 2nd run that your bike came from because the first Clementine colors were orange and turquoise. (I think?)On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 10:23:06 AM UTC-4 Dorothy C wrote:Perhaps Leah can chime in, but I believe that French blue was an early run color, before they were doing the cream accents on the lugs and fork crown. When I had my 2019 bronze green (since sold) it had the cream on it. As you have probably noticed, the head badges are attached with adhesive, not screws, so it is not too surprising, if a shame, that hers has gotten lost. In the early days, Riv used to put the headbadges on  with screws, but it was causing problems so they went with the adhesive instead.Lovely bike, and congratulations from another multiple Riv owner, and my two adult sons also have Rivs I bought them (a 55 Platy and a 52 Clem)On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 6:45:11 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:Hey all, Thought I'd share. I am fortunate to have several Rivs, and my wife has a Platty. I have looked around a bit for a used Clem to get my daughter into a Riv as well. I mostly just like the idea of having our little family Riv rides. We frequently ride to small neighborhood festivals, dinners, friend's houses, and the like. Well, Friday, a used 52cm Clem popped up and was only about a 30-minute drive away. I snapped it up that night, greased the bits, tightened things up, lubed a bit, swapped the saddle, and we were off. It's not in it's finished form but it was ready to roll. We took it out last night for a neighborhood block party with friends. My daughter is jazzed. I do have a couple of questions that some of you may be able to answer. I noticed that her Clem doesn't have the cream accent paint on the lugs and fork crown. You know, the cream color in the triangles of the lugs? Do any of you have a Clem without that paint? Not a big deal, just an observation. Second, the head badge is missing on this bike. The original owner did not have it and wasn't sure what happened to it. Is this something that Rivendell will sell me? Again, it's not a big deal, but it'd be cool if I could get one for it. If not, I may just replace it with a cool vintage one or something like that. Anyway, it's a cool bike, and I'm happy t

[RBW] 126 mm JIS taper SKF bb assembly for 68 mm English bottom bracket; or equally good substitute

[Patrick Moore]

RH is out and so are the other vendors I checked.

Does anyone know a source?

Again, SKF, 126 mm, JIS.

If anyone has one to sell, I’m very interested.

If I can’t find one I’ll probably ask Phil to mail me a 126 mm spindle but
I do want an SKF. At least 1 Phil out of a score has gone bad too quickly,
and I don’t get more than 15K miles out of my other Phils, so I would
prefer to try an SKF.

“Nother question: Is there another bb bearing assembly in 126 mm JIS that
is anywhere near as good as SKFs are reputed to be? — Someone recently
reported putting 20K miles on an SKF without any problems and it’s still
going strong. That’s what I want.

126 JIS = perfect; 127 mm works; 125 mm might work if laterally adjustable.

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Re: [RBW] Cycling caps: useful or merely decorative?

[Patrick Moore]

When I wore long hair I could never get caps to stay on my head — lost a
good bright yellow Campy cap in a strong wind, and I had to resort to
under-chin elastic. Also, I never needed hats in winter to keep my scalp
warm, tho’ I did wear various head coverings to keep my ears and face warm.

But when I started wearing my hair very short — quite a different story.
Caps actually stay on securely — this surprised me when I made the change —
and yes, my scalp gets cold.

Patrick Moore, whose warm-weather end-of-ride routine includes rinsing
sweat-soaked cycling caps and hanging them to dry.


On Sat, Oct 12, 2024 at 9:31 PM Andrew Turner 
wrote:

> … With long hair, I don’t bother with one. It's just too much, especially
> in the heat. But with a buzz cut, holy smokes do I want the protection of a
> cap from the sun. Plus it's something else to dunk in the creek! As it
> get's colder, the more they make sense to wear, especially with some ear
> covers.

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[RBW] Re: SOLD: 59cm CLEM H - FFHS + Seatpost

[Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA]

Frameset sold. Thanks for your interest. I'll take stock of my unused parts 
(these and others) and post them separately down the road. 

Marty

On Saturday, October 12, 2024 at 7:20:14 AM UTC-4 Marty Gierke, 
Stewartstown PA wrote:

> Pending sale...
>
> On Friday, October 11, 2024 at 4:35:34 PM UTC-4 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown 
> PA wrote:
>
>> Offering a 59cm CLEM H frameset in pristine condition. Reducing the size 
>> of my stable, and this overlaps with another bike I'm currently having 
>> repainted. My PBH is 92 and this fit nicely. Includes headset and seatpost. 
>> $700.00 + Bikeflights shipping. 
>>
>> [image: 51043725638_1fce86cb81_c.jpg]
>> I have some additional things from the most recent build (below) I'd be 
>> willing to add to the deal:
>>
>> Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge Tires - very low miles - $100
>> Boscomoose bars - $140
>> Blackburn rear rack - $70 - model with larger diameter stuts - super 
>> strong!
>>
>> $950 for the package + shipping. 
>> Will consider selling the extras separately if no takers for the package. 
>>
>> [image: 52161011153_48e637f589_c.jpg]
>>
>> Happy to answer any questions. 
>>
>> Marty
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Roberta]

I doubt this 62 cm Betty Foy has 26 inch wheels as stated in the listing. 
My smaller frame Betty Foy is a 58 cm frame (to become the 55 cm frame in 
later iterations) and has 650 B wheels. 

Geometry comes via a two-year-old post from Garth:

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On Tuesday, September 24, 2024 at 8:01:07 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> 62 cm Foy, you don't see that every day. 
>
> https://cosprings.craigslist.org/bik/d/colorado-springs-rivendell-betty-foy/7787242415.html
>
> On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 4:16:52 PM UTC-4 EGNolan wrote:
>
>> No affiliation with either of these: 
>>
>> 55 cm Custom Road-ish Riv in CA: 
>>
>> https://monterey.craigslist.org/bik/d/monterey-rivendell-custom-road-55cm/7763735306.html
>>
>> 60cm Green Cheviot in NC
>>
>> https://asheville.craigslist.org/bik/d/asheville-rivendell-cheviot-60cm/968048.html
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 12:11:54 PM UTC-4 chasenl...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 50 cm Roadini frame $800 obo (mine!)
>>>
>>> https://newyork.craigslist.org/que/bik/d/brooklyn-rivendell-roadini-50cm-frame/7781731719.html
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 28, 2024 at 4:19:59 PM UTC-4 Chris Halasz wrote:
>>>
 60cm DTT Sam Hillborne $2350 


 https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/bik/d/santa-monica-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7779620615.html

 On Tuesday, August 27, 2024 at 2:37:41 PM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:

> 47cm Rivendell Atlantis 2 - $2,500 (Leucadia, CA) 
>
>
> https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/bik/d/encinitas-rivendell-atlantis-47cm/7779210854.html
>
> On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 7:12:14 AM UTC-7 Brian Turner wrote:
>
>> The guy selling the Gus seems to be a really good dude. In fact, his 
>> Gus (the one in question) is the main inspiration for mine, which he 
>> helped 
>> me find as a NOS frameset from Golden Saddle before they closed.
>> It'll make a great bike for whoever ends up with it.
>>
>> Brian
>> Lex, KY
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO: Roaduno 51cm complete mustard

[Dorothy C]

Riv have that combo relisted as of today, 10/13/24

On Sunday, September 22, 2024 at 10:14:55 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:

> From what I understand, the dealers only got frames. The completes were 
> exclusive to Riv themselves. 
>
> On Monday, September 16, 2024 at 6:47:55 PM UTC-7 Taylor M wrote:
>
>> Anyone know of any dealers in CONUS who may have a complete 51cm Roaduno, 
>> preferrably in mustard? Thanks in advance Riv fam!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: NBD for my daughter

[Dorothy C]

Perhaps Leah can chime in, but I believe that French blue was an early run 
color, before they were doing the cream accents on the lugs and fork crown. 
When I had my 2019 bronze green (since sold) it had the cream on it. 

As you have probably noticed, the head badges are attached with adhesive, 
not screws, so it is not too surprising, if a shame, that hers has gotten 
lost. In the early days, Riv used to put the headbadges on  with screws, 
but it was causing problems so they went with the adhesive instead.

Lovely bike, and congratulations from another multiple Riv owner, and my 
two adult sons also have Rivs I bought them (a 55 Platy and a 52 Clem)

On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 6:45:11 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:

> Hey all, 
>
> Thought I'd share. I am fortunate to have several Rivs, and my wife has a 
> Platty. I have looked around a bit for a used Clem to get my daughter into 
> a Riv as well. I mostly just like the idea of having our little family Riv 
> rides. We frequently ride to small neighborhood festivals, dinners, 
> friend's houses, and the like. Well, Friday, a used 52cm Clem popped up and 
> was only about a 30-minute drive away. I snapped it up that night, greased 
> the bits, tightened things up, lubed a bit, swapped the saddle, and we were 
> off. It's not in it's finished form but it was ready to roll. We took it 
> out last night for a neighborhood block party with friends. My daughter is 
> jazzed. 
>
> I do have a couple of questions that some of you may be able to answer. I 
> noticed that her Clem doesn't have the cream accent paint on the lugs and 
> fork crown. You know, the cream color in the triangles of the lugs? Do any 
> of you have a Clem without that paint? Not a big deal, just an observation. 
>
> Second, the head badge is missing on this bike. The original owner did not 
> have it and wasn't sure what happened to it. Is this something that 
> Rivendell will sell me? Again, it's not a big deal, but it'd be cool if I 
> could get one for it. If not, I may just replace it with a cool vintage one 
> or something like that. 
>
> Anyway, it's a cool bike, and I'm happy that my whole family can go out 
> with our Rivs. I'll try and post a pic of all of our bikes together this 
> week. For now, here are a couple of quick shots.
>
>  [image: IMG_1617 Large.jpeg][image: IMG_1618 Large.jpeg]
>

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[RBW] WTB: 700c Single Speed Wheelset

[David B]

I want to get a second wheelset for my Redwood to experiment with 700c vs 
650b (currently set up). It’s been a bit since I’ve needed wheels and I’d 
normally build my own but would rather find something ready to swap in. If 
you have a wheelset to sell let me know. Alternatively if you have a 
recommendation for a source, that’d be great too. The Riv Roaduno set are a 
possibility but not exactly what I’m looking for. 
Ideally…
130mm rear spacing (or the ability to easily respace to 130mm)
Silver
36h
Quick release - or front qr (some Formula/similar hubs have hollow axles)
Velocity Atlas or similar width (no wider than that)

Thanks!
David

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[RBW] Re: FS: 50cm Orange Protovelo Charlie Gallop

[Johnny Alien]

This one is unique as its the only prototype with the stock headbadge. I 
think the other ones had Gallop tube decals but no headbadge.

On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 6:35:01 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> [image: PXL_20241013_211750993.jpg]
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Billy Bar Wrapping

[Josh C]

I should have said no one role won't do it the way that I wrap them, which 
is overlapped just under halfway. Not sure how else to say that. A tight 
wrap. But if your wrap is more spread out it ?MAY do it, but I still doubt 
it. They are cool bars. I'm a fan of tan/brown with the Atlantis but 
everything looks good on it. I need to get me another set of Billy Bars and 
swap em with something. 


On Saturday, October 12, 2024 at 2:57:06 PM UTC-4 Glen wrote:

> Thank you. 
>
> Damn, now I need to make a decision on a color for my Atlantis. Another 
> roll of eggplant, dark green, blue
>
> On Saturday, October 12, 2024 at 6:18:04 AM UTC-6 Josh C wrote:
>
>> It's not
>>
>> On Thursday, October 10, 2024 at 3:08:29 PM UTC-4 Glen wrote:
>>
>>> Before I start wrapping with the one roll of Newbaums I have on hand. 
>>>
>>> Can anyone tell me if one roll is enough to wrap both sides from the top 
>>> of the grips to the stem sleeve? 
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>>
>>> glen
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Josh C]

I'm sure you're right. I also didn't read that it was repainted before I 
posted it. Still a cool bike. 

On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 10:00:27 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

>
> I doubt this 62 cm Betty Foy has 26 inch wheels as stated in the listing. 
> My smaller frame Betty Foy is a 58 cm frame (to become the 55 cm frame in 
> later iterations) and has 650 B wheels. 
>
> Geometry comes via a two-year-old post from Garth:
>
>
> https://13507435628737481763.googlegroups.com/attach/4331eca7079dc/original_geometry.pdf?part=0.1&view=1&vt=ANaJVrFFKgvCHmJ0FadrC-q-C57p5mVbVHow-EhbZ95aNCvAXR8N2OY8Y3-1t50mB8YqWorf1xFZaYCqLIKLVa7Wm-C-fmU8rQbcZvFW4zEBGyau32r8ZEE
> On Tuesday, September 24, 2024 at 8:01:07 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> 62 cm Foy, you don't see that every day. 
>>
>> https://cosprings.craigslist.org/bik/d/colorado-springs-rivendell-betty-foy/7787242415.html
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 4:16:52 PM UTC-4 EGNolan wrote:
>>
>>> No affiliation with either of these: 
>>>
>>> 55 cm Custom Road-ish Riv in CA: 
>>>
>>> https://monterey.craigslist.org/bik/d/monterey-rivendell-custom-road-55cm/7763735306.html
>>>
>>> 60cm Green Cheviot in NC
>>>
>>> https://asheville.craigslist.org/bik/d/asheville-rivendell-cheviot-60cm/968048.html
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 12:11:54 PM UTC-4 
>>> chasenl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 50 cm Roadini frame $800 obo (mine!)

 https://newyork.craigslist.org/que/bik/d/brooklyn-rivendell-roadini-50cm-frame/7781731719.html

 On Wednesday, August 28, 2024 at 4:19:59 PM UTC-4 Chris Halasz wrote:

> 60cm DTT Sam Hillborne $2350 
>
>
> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/bik/d/santa-monica-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7779620615.html
>
> On Tuesday, August 27, 2024 at 2:37:41 PM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:
>
>> 47cm Rivendell Atlantis 2 - $2,500 (Leucadia, CA) 
>>
>>
>> https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/bik/d/encinitas-rivendell-atlantis-47cm/7779210854.html
>>
>> On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 7:12:14 AM UTC-7 Brian Turner wrote:
>>
>>> The guy selling the Gus seems to be a really good dude. In fact, his 
>>> Gus (the one in question) is the main inspiration for mine, which he 
>>> helped 
>>> me find as a NOS frameset from Golden Saddle before they closed.
>>> It'll make a great bike for whoever ends up with it.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>> Lex, KY
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: NBD for my daughter

[iamkeith]

Congratulations!  I hope she loves it.

Regarding the headbadge, I'm pretty sure Rivendell HQ will sell you one.  
You may even have a choice between bronze or pewter color, since they made 
both and picked colors at random.  At that time, they came loose in the 
box, and the owner was supposed to install them themselves. IF they wanted. 
Or they could monogram it or leave it off to hide the pedigree of the bike 
as a sort of theft deterrent. Original owner probably lost, forgot  or 
decided they wanted to use it elsewhere.

More useless Clem trivia:  The first batch was not supposed to have creme 
highlights on the fork wings OR any lug windows  OR even have decals 
installed, either. They were supposed to come with a pack of alphanumeric 
characters that the buyer could use to personalize the name.  The "Clem 
Smith Jr,: if it was even going to be installed at all, was supposed to be 
on top of the clear coat.  It didn't happen as planned.  I think Riv just 
gave up after that miscommunication, and went along with the normal, 
permanent decal application for future runs.  If the fork wings aren't 
painted, this might be a 2nd run, as Leah noted.

Given the bike's design intent,  it wouldn't be inapropriate to let your 
daughter pick her own headbadge!  Some piece of jewelry or sticker or 
bottlecap or toy or?.  Gently hamner it into a curve and stick it on with 
heavy-duty, two-sided foam tape...

On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 8:49:25 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> It’s true; the early Clems didn’t have the cream fills. We have a 1st 
> edition Clem H in that French blue and no cream fills. I think it was the 
> 2nd run that your bike came from because the first Clementine colors were 
> orange and turquoise. (I think?)
>
> On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 10:23:06 AM UTC-4 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> Perhaps Leah can chime in, but I believe that French blue was an early 
>> run color, before they were doing the cream accents on the lugs and fork 
>> crown. When I had my 2019 bronze green (since sold) it had the cream on it. 
>>
>> As you have probably noticed, the head badges are attached with adhesive, 
>> not screws, so it is not too surprising, if a shame, that hers has gotten 
>> lost. In the early days, Riv used to put the headbadges on  with screws, 
>> but it was causing problems so they went with the adhesive instead.
>>
>> Lovely bike, and congratulations from another multiple Riv owner, and my 
>> two adult sons also have Rivs I bought them (a 55 Platy and a 52 Clem)
>>
>> On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 6:45:11 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all, 
>>>
>>> Thought I'd share. I am fortunate to have several Rivs, and my wife has 
>>> a Platty. I have looked around a bit for a used Clem to get my daughter 
>>> into a Riv as well. I mostly just like the idea of having our little family 
>>> Riv rides. We frequently ride to small neighborhood festivals, dinners, 
>>> friend's houses, and the like. Well, Friday, a used 52cm Clem popped up and 
>>> was only about a 30-minute drive away. I snapped it up that night, greased 
>>> the bits, tightened things up, lubed a bit, swapped the saddle, and we were 
>>> off. It's not in it's finished form but it was ready to roll. We took it 
>>> out last night for a neighborhood block party with friends. My daughter is 
>>> jazzed. 
>>>
>>> I do have a couple of questions that some of you may be able to answer. 
>>> I noticed that her Clem doesn't have the cream accent paint on the lugs and 
>>> fork crown. You know, the cream color in the triangles of the lugs? Do any 
>>> of you have a Clem without that paint? Not a big deal, just an observation. 
>>>
>>> Second, the head badge is missing on this bike. The original owner did 
>>> not have it and wasn't sure what happened to it. Is this something that 
>>> Rivendell will sell me? Again, it's not a big deal, but it'd be cool if I 
>>> could get one for it. If not, I may just replace it with a cool vintage one 
>>> or something like that. 
>>>
>>> Anyway, it's a cool bike, and I'm happy that my whole family can go out 
>>> with our Rivs. I'll try and post a pic of all of our bikes together this 
>>> week. For now, here are a couple of quick shots.
>>>
>>>  [image: IMG_1617 Large.jpeg][image: IMG_1618 Large.jpeg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: NBD for my daughter

[Josh C]

Thanks for the replies. Yeah, I knew it was an earlier run. The bike was 
sold in May 2017 by a Riv dealer here in Indianapolis, which is no longer 
in business in the state. Hazel is 13 years old but living downtown she 
gets around pretty much all over by herself or with a friend; most often on 
a bike.  She has already ridden it to the block party last night, a 
friend's house several times, the grocery store (for sleepover trash pizza 
and snacks), and back and forth numerous times to fulfill her dog 
sitting/walking obligations that he enrolled in for the weekend. She rides 
to school most days and all over the city with friends. Next year her 
school commute will be about 3 miles round trip, and I'm sure her Clem will 
soak up most of those miles. 

On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 11:25:44 AM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:

> Congratulations!  I hope she loves it.
>
> Regarding the headbadge, I'm pretty sure Rivendell HQ will sell you one.  
> You may even have a choice between bronze or pewter color, since they made 
> both and picked colors at random.  At that time, they came loose in the 
> box, and the owner was supposed to install them themselves. IF they wanted. 
> Or they could monogram it or leave it off to hide the pedigree of the bike 
> as a sort of theft deterrent. Original owner probably lost, forgot  or 
> decided they wanted to use it elsewhere.
>
> More useless Clem trivia:  The first batch was not supposed to have creme 
> highlights on the fork wings OR any lug windows  OR even have decals 
> installed, either. They were supposed to come with a pack of alphanumeric 
> characters that the buyer could use to personalize the name.  The "Clem 
> Smith Jr,: if it was even going to be installed at all, was supposed to be 
> on top of the clear coat.  It didn't happen as planned.  I think Riv just 
> gave up after that miscommunication, and went along with the normal, 
> permanent decal application for future runs.  If the fork wings aren't 
> painted, this might be a 2nd run, as Leah noted.
>
> Given the bike's design intent,  it wouldn't be inapropriate to let your 
> daughter pick her own headbadge!  Some piece of jewelry or sticker or 
> bottlecap or toy or?.  Gently hamner it into a curve and stick it on with 
> heavy-duty, two-sided foam tape...
>
> On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 8:49:25 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> It’s true; the early Clems didn’t have the cream fills. We have a 1st 
>> edition Clem H in that French blue and no cream fills. I think it was the 
>> 2nd run that your bike came from because the first Clementine colors were 
>> orange and turquoise. (I think?)
>>
>> On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 10:23:06 AM UTC-4 Dorothy C wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps Leah can chime in, but I believe that French blue was an early 
>>> run color, before they were doing the cream accents on the lugs and fork 
>>> crown. When I had my 2019 bronze green (since sold) it had the cream on it. 
>>>
>>> As you have probably noticed, the head badges are attached with 
>>> adhesive, not screws, so it is not too surprising, if a shame, that hers 
>>> has gotten lost. In the early days, Riv used to put the headbadges on  with 
>>> screws, but it was causing problems so they went with the adhesive instead.
>>>
>>> Lovely bike, and congratulations from another multiple Riv owner, and my 
>>> two adult sons also have Rivs I bought them (a 55 Platy and a 52 Clem)
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 6:45:11 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 Hey all, 

 Thought I'd share. I am fortunate to have several Rivs, and my wife has 
 a Platty. I have looked around a bit for a used Clem to get my daughter 
 into a Riv as well. I mostly just like the idea of having our little 
 family 
 Riv rides. We frequently ride to small neighborhood festivals, dinners, 
 friend's houses, and the like. Well, Friday, a used 52cm Clem popped up 
 and 
 was only about a 30-minute drive away. I snapped it up that night, greased 
 the bits, tightened things up, lubed a bit, swapped the saddle, and we 
 were 
 off. It's not in it's finished form but it was ready to roll. We took it 
 out last night for a neighborhood block party with friends. My daughter is 
 jazzed. 

 I do have a couple of questions that some of you may be able to answer. 
 I noticed that her Clem doesn't have the cream accent paint on the lugs 
 and 
 fork crown. You know, the cream color in the triangles of the lugs? Do any 
 of you have a Clem without that paint? Not a big deal, just an 
 observation. 

 Second, the head badge is missing on this bike. The original owner did 
 not have it and wasn't sure what happened to it. Is this something that 
 Rivendell will sell me? Again, it's not a big deal, but it'd be cool if I 
 could get one for it. If not, I may just replace it with a cool vintage 
 one 
 or something like that. 

 Anyway, it'

[RBW] Re: NBD for my daughter

[Josh C]

As for the head badge, I may reach out to Riv and see if I can buy one. I 
think she'd like that. 

On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 12:28:13 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Thanks for the replies. Yeah, I knew it was an earlier run. The bike was 
> sold in May 2017 by a Riv dealer here in Indianapolis, which is no longer 
> in business in the state. Hazel is 13 years old but living downtown she 
> gets around pretty much all over by herself or with a friend; most often on 
> a bike.  She has already ridden it to the block party last night, a 
> friend's house several times, the grocery store (for sleepover trash pizza 
> and snacks), and back and forth numerous times to fulfill her dog 
> sitting/walking obligations that he enrolled in for the weekend. She rides 
> to school most days and all over the city with friends. Next year her 
> school commute will be about 3 miles round trip, and I'm sure her Clem will 
> soak up most of those miles. 
>
> On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 11:25:44 AM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Congratulations!  I hope she loves it.
>>
>> Regarding the headbadge, I'm pretty sure Rivendell HQ will sell you one.  
>> You may even have a choice between bronze or pewter color, since they made 
>> both and picked colors at random.  At that time, they came loose in the 
>> box, and the owner was supposed to install them themselves. IF they wanted. 
>> Or they could monogram it or leave it off to hide the pedigree of the bike 
>> as a sort of theft deterrent. Original owner probably lost, forgot  or 
>> decided they wanted to use it elsewhere.
>>
>> More useless Clem trivia:  The first batch was not supposed to have creme 
>> highlights on the fork wings OR any lug windows  OR even have decals 
>> installed, either. They were supposed to come with a pack of alphanumeric 
>> characters that the buyer could use to personalize the name.  The "Clem 
>> Smith Jr,: if it was even going to be installed at all, was supposed to be 
>> on top of the clear coat.  It didn't happen as planned.  I think Riv just 
>> gave up after that miscommunication, and went along with the normal, 
>> permanent decal application for future runs.  If the fork wings aren't 
>> painted, this might be a 2nd run, as Leah noted.
>>
>> Given the bike's design intent,  it wouldn't be inapropriate to let your 
>> daughter pick her own headbadge!  Some piece of jewelry or sticker or 
>> bottlecap or toy or?.  Gently hamner it into a curve and stick it on with 
>> heavy-duty, two-sided foam tape...
>>
>> On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 8:49:25 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It’s true; the early Clems didn’t have the cream fills. We have a 1st 
>>> edition Clem H in that French blue and no cream fills. I think it was the 
>>> 2nd run that your bike came from because the first Clementine colors were 
>>> orange and turquoise. (I think?)
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 10:23:06 AM UTC-4 Dorothy C wrote:
>>>
 Perhaps Leah can chime in, but I believe that French blue was an early 
 run color, before they were doing the cream accents on the lugs and fork 
 crown. When I had my 2019 bronze green (since sold) it had the cream on 
 it. 

 As you have probably noticed, the head badges are attached with 
 adhesive, not screws, so it is not too surprising, if a shame, that hers 
 has gotten lost. In the early days, Riv used to put the headbadges on  
 with 
 screws, but it was causing problems so they went with the adhesive instead.

 Lovely bike, and congratulations from another multiple Riv owner, and 
 my two adult sons also have Rivs I bought them (a 55 Platy and a 52 Clem)

 On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 6:45:11 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:

> Hey all, 
>
> Thought I'd share. I am fortunate to have several Rivs, and my wife 
> has a Platty. I have looked around a bit for a used Clem to get my 
> daughter 
> into a Riv as well. I mostly just like the idea of having our little 
> family 
> Riv rides. We frequently ride to small neighborhood festivals, dinners, 
> friend's houses, and the like. Well, Friday, a used 52cm Clem popped up 
> and 
> was only about a 30-minute drive away. I snapped it up that night, 
> greased 
> the bits, tightened things up, lubed a bit, swapped the saddle, and we 
> were 
> off. It's not in it's finished form but it was ready to roll. We took it 
> out last night for a neighborhood block party with friends. My daughter 
> is 
> jazzed. 
>
> I do have a couple of questions that some of you may be able to 
> answer. I noticed that her Clem doesn't have the cream accent paint on 
> the 
> lugs and fork crown. You know, the cream color in the triangles of the 
> lugs? Do any of you have a Clem without that paint? Not a big deal, just 
> an 
> observation. 
>
> Second, the head badge is missing on this bike. The original owner

[RBW] Re: NBD for my daughter

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

It’s true; the early Clems didn’t have the cream fills. We have a 1st 
edition Clem H in that French blue and no cream fills. I think it was the 
2nd run that your bike came from because the first Clementine colors were 
orange and turquoise. (I think?)

On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 10:23:06 AM UTC-4 Dorothy C wrote:

> Perhaps Leah can chime in, but I believe that French blue was an early run 
> color, before they were doing the cream accents on the lugs and fork crown. 
> When I had my 2019 bronze green (since sold) it had the cream on it. 
>
> As you have probably noticed, the head badges are attached with adhesive, 
> not screws, so it is not too surprising, if a shame, that hers has gotten 
> lost. In the early days, Riv used to put the headbadges on  with screws, 
> but it was causing problems so they went with the adhesive instead.
>
> Lovely bike, and congratulations from another multiple Riv owner, and my 
> two adult sons also have Rivs I bought them (a 55 Platy and a 52 Clem)
>
> On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 6:45:11 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Hey all, 
>>
>> Thought I'd share. I am fortunate to have several Rivs, and my wife has a 
>> Platty. I have looked around a bit for a used Clem to get my daughter into 
>> a Riv as well. I mostly just like the idea of having our little family Riv 
>> rides. We frequently ride to small neighborhood festivals, dinners, 
>> friend's houses, and the like. Well, Friday, a used 52cm Clem popped up and 
>> was only about a 30-minute drive away. I snapped it up that night, greased 
>> the bits, tightened things up, lubed a bit, swapped the saddle, and we were 
>> off. It's not in it's finished form but it was ready to roll. We took it 
>> out last night for a neighborhood block party with friends. My daughter is 
>> jazzed. 
>>
>> I do have a couple of questions that some of you may be able to answer. I 
>> noticed that her Clem doesn't have the cream accent paint on the lugs and 
>> fork crown. You know, the cream color in the triangles of the lugs? Do any 
>> of you have a Clem without that paint? Not a big deal, just an observation. 
>>
>> Second, the head badge is missing on this bike. The original owner did 
>> not have it and wasn't sure what happened to it. Is this something that 
>> Rivendell will sell me? Again, it's not a big deal, but it'd be cool if I 
>> could get one for it. If not, I may just replace it with a cool vintage one 
>> or something like that. 
>>
>> Anyway, it's a cool bike, and I'm happy that my whole family can go out 
>> with our Rivs. I'll try and post a pic of all of our bikes together this 
>> week. For now, here are a couple of quick shots.
>>
>>  [image: IMG_1617 Large.jpeg][image: IMG_1618 Large.jpeg]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: NBD for my daughter

[GirlGangRider]

Wow! What a beautiful biking family! The independence, the grace, the 
beauty of riding. Your daughter looks especially stylish with the one pant 
leg folded up! 

I hope you do get a new head badge soon. 
On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 12:55:02 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Stop it. I’m dead. Killed by an overload of DARLING!
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 13, 2024, at 3:51 PM, Josh C  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> 
>
>
> On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 12:29:14 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> As for the head badge, I may reach out to Riv and see if I can buy one. I 
>> think she'd like that. 
>>
>> On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 12:28:13 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the replies. Yeah, I knew it was an earlier run. The bike was 
>>> sold in May 2017 by a Riv dealer here in Indianapolis, which is no longer 
>>> in business in the state. Hazel is 13 years old but living downtown she 
>>> gets around pretty much all over by herself or with a friend; most often on 
>>> a bike.  She has already ridden it to the block party last night, a 
>>> friend's house several times, the grocery store (for sleepover trash pizza 
>>> and snacks), and back and forth numerous times to fulfill her dog 
>>> sitting/walking obligations that he enrolled in for the weekend. She rides 
>>> to school most days and all over the city with friends. Next year her 
>>> school commute will be about 3 miles round trip, and I'm sure her Clem will 
>>> soak up most of those miles. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 11:25:44 AM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:
>>>
 Congratulations!  I hope she loves it.

 Regarding the headbadge, I'm pretty sure Rivendell HQ will sell you 
 one.  You may even have a choice between bronze or pewter color, since 
 they 
 made both and picked colors at random.  At that time, they came loose in 
 the box, and the owner was supposed to install them themselves. IF they 
 wanted. Or they could monogram it or leave it off to hide the pedigree of 
 the bike as a sort of theft deterrent. Original owner probably lost, 
 forgot  or decided they wanted to use it elsewhere.

 More useless Clem trivia:  The first batch was not supposed to have 
 creme highlights on the fork wings OR any lug windows  OR even have decals 
 installed, either. They were supposed to come with a pack of alphanumeric 
 characters that the buyer could use to personalize the name.  The "Clem 
 Smith Jr,: if it was even going to be installed at all, was supposed to be 
 on top of the clear coat.  It didn't happen as planned.  I think Riv just 
 gave up after that miscommunication, and went along with the normal, 
 permanent decal application for future runs.  If the fork wings aren't 
 painted, this might be a 2nd run, as Leah noted.

 Given the bike's design intent,  it wouldn't be inapropriate to let 
 your daughter pick her own headbadge!  Some piece of jewelry or sticker or 
 bottlecap or toy or?.  Gently hamner it into a curve and stick it on with 
 heavy-duty, two-sided foam tape...

 On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 8:49:25 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> It’s true; the early Clems didn’t have the cream fills. We have a 1st 
> edition Clem H in that French blue and no cream fills. I think it was the 
> 2nd run that your bike came from because the first Clementine colors were 
> orange and turquoise. (I think?)
>
> On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 10:23:06 AM UTC-4 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> Perhaps Leah can chime in, but I believe that French blue was an 
>> early run color, before they were doing the cream accents on the lugs 
>> and 
>> fork crown. When I had my 2019 bronze green (since sold) it had the 
>> cream 
>> on it. 
>>
>> As you have probably noticed, the head badges are attached with 
>> adhesive, not screws, so it is not too surprising, if a shame, that hers 
>> has gotten lost. In the early days, Riv used to put the headbadges on  
>> with 
>> screws, but it was causing problems so they went with the adhesive 
>> instead.
>>
>> Lovely bike, and congratulations from another multiple Riv owner, and 
>> my two adult sons also have Rivs I bought them (a 55 Platy and a 52 Clem)
>>
>> On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 6:45:11 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all, 
>>>
>>> Thought I'd share. I am fortunate to have several Rivs, and my wife 
>>> has a Platty. I have looked around a bit for a used Clem to get my 
>>> daughter 
>>> into a Riv as well. I mostly just like the idea of having our little 
>>> family 
>>> Riv rides. We frequently ride to small neighborhood festivals, dinners, 
>>> friend's houses, and the like. Well, Friday, a used 52cm Clem popped up 
>>> and 
>>> was only about a 30-minute drive away. I snapped it up that night, 
>>> grea

[RBW] Re: FS: 50cm Orange Protovelo Charlie Gallop

[Pancake]

Such a GREAT bike, the swoop is classy but the canti studs that allow 
v-brakes are the major advantage of this prototype. I have the 55cm and 
can’t say enough great things about it. I had flared drop bars and those 
were excellent with mini-v-brakes (80mm arms) but it really shines with 
sweptback bars and v-brakes. 50mm tires and upside down albatross bars with 
inner bar ends for a in the hoods position, it’s phenomenal. I commute, 
weekend around rides on pavement and dirt for 20-40 miles, and did a very 
rainy Wine country Century on it this summer. A little flexy compared to a 
Cheviot, but also faster and as smooth a ride. Better than a Homer for 
roads, as competent as a Platypus in the dirt. Mine came as a triple but 
it’s a better fit for a double (;6-30) and 10 speed rear (11-40t). Love 
this bike, anyone this fits would be crazy not to get it. Though I’ll 
quibble and say mine also came with a Charlie head badge which is just 
awesome 
Abe

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Re: [RBW] Bar tape/wrapping advice?

[Patrick Moore]

Your taping job looks pretty good to me.

What are you trying to accomplish, exactly that your present tape doesn’t
do? More cushion? Nicer color? Longer life? More grip?

I know what I like and what I don’t care about and on the 1/1,000,000
chance that it’s helpful to you, I’ll talk:

Comfort is more important to me than looks, let alone history, so I choose
tape that cushions well.

Next criterion is durability: I prefer tape that lasts for — now that I
think of it, I’ve never measured bar tape life. Let’s say that I like tape
that approaches 1K miles of use, half of it bare hands since I use gloves
only in cold weather.

I do like some colors better than others, but color is less important than
the first 2 criteria; I’ll use black comfortable and durable over pretty
hard and ephemeral.

Cost is in last place, tho’ I did buy a bunch of VO tape really cheap on
sale, hoping it meets criteria 1 and 2.

That said, my favorite of all time is the thinner Lizard Skins: supremely
comfortable. The Bad: doesn’t last long and it’s $50 or so a bar, so it
goes only on my “favorite bike of all time” while the lesser ones make do
with cheaper options.

I’m ready to retape the 2020 Matthews IGH clone of the 2003 Curt Riv Road
Custom with $6 VO tape and I’ll learn if this was a good purchase. The
“foamy” $20 stuff on the bar now does not cushion very well tho’ it has
lasted well, and it has been un-and re-wrapped too many times already so
that a retape is in order.

Aside: The only tape less comfortable for bare hands than cotton tape over
bare metal is that cheap vinyl stuff from the 1970s; yes, I had bars taped
with that stuff. Nice and slick when your hands sweated.

On Sat, Oct 12, 2024 at 11:10 PM Rob McEntarffer 
wrote:

> Hi everyone. This is my 1st post to the group, so if I violate any norms,
> etc., please let me know?
>
> I think my beautiful 23 year old bike deserves better bar tape/wrapping
> than I've done in the past, and I'd love advice. Should I just do a better
> job with cloth tape? Sue a different kind of bar tape? Or try something
> else entirely? Thanks in advance for the help!
>
>
>
>
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