Re: [RBW] Puzzled by 2 Rivendell recommendations

[Ray Varella]

Bill,
If the Roaduno had been made with vertical dropouts then anyone wanting to 
run it as a single speed would need to run a chain tensioner or use an 
eccentric hub. 
At that point I think a lot of people would just try running a single gear 
on an existing bike. 
The simplicity of not needing a dummy derailer or chain tensioner is a plus 
in my humble opinion 

Ray

On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 11:41:36 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I think the tether is a good idea. Sure, if you're super careful and never 
> overload the rack and always tighten the bolts you should be fine. But it's 
> still a rack falling on a front wheel and over you go. I'll take the extra 
> safety precaution. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
> Clearlake CA 
>
> On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 3:21:29 PM UTC-7 Brian Turner wrote:
>
>> I have never, and will never tether my racks with a “safety strap”. 
>>
>> Maybe I like to live dangerously, but also maybe I understand that 
>> tightening bolts and not overloading racks is important too.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Slipping on swept back handlebars

[Dan]

Swept back bars with a 26.0 clamp diameter? Must be the Crust Ron’s Ortho 
Bars!

I had slipping issues with mine initially until I just really tightened 
down on the stem. I’m running an old Velo Orange Crand Cru steel stem. 
Looks great, but I could indeed go with more reach if I could ever find a 
stem that had it. 
On Wednesday 11 September 2024 at 04:15:45 UTC+9:30 ethan...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I just put some swept back handlebars on my bicycle and I am having 
> trouble with slipping. The handlebars sweep back 7 inches or so with a 26mm 
> clamp diameter. My stem is a nitto tallux and I'm switching in an old 130mm 
> Ritchey stem for more reach, but I'm still worried about the bar slipping. 
> Is there a good solution for gripping big bars that increase torque at the 
> stem clamp, especially when riding on gravel/off-road? 
>
> I might be able to tighten it more, but I'm worried that going tighter 
> will strip or deform the bolt. Do folks ever use thread-locker or some 
> adhesive for extra stick? Or do I need a 2-4 bolt faceplate stem for the 
> extra gripping strength?
>
> Let me know if you have any tips/tricks/ideas! Thanks,
>
> Ethan
>

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[RBW] Re: Slipping on swept back handlebars

[Dan]

To add: I ride single track semi regularly and no issues since tightening. 

On Wednesday 11 September 2024 at 20:49:55 UTC+9:30 Dan wrote:

>
> Swept back bars with a 26.0 clamp diameter? Must be the Crust Ron’s Ortho 
> Bars!
>
> I had slipping issues with mine initially until I just really tightened 
> down on the stem. I’m running an old Velo Orange Crand Cru steel stem. 
> Looks great, but I could indeed go with more reach if I could ever find a 
> stem that had it. 
> On Wednesday 11 September 2024 at 04:15:45 UTC+9:30 ethan...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I just put some swept back handlebars on my bicycle and I am having 
>> trouble with slipping. The handlebars sweep back 7 inches or so with a 26mm 
>> clamp diameter. My stem is a nitto tallux and I'm switching in an old 130mm 
>> Ritchey stem for more reach, but I'm still worried about the bar slipping. 
>> Is there a good solution for gripping big bars that increase torque at the 
>> stem clamp, especially when riding on gravel/off-road? 
>>
>> I might be able to tighten it more, but I'm worried that going tighter 
>> will strip or deform the bolt. Do folks ever use thread-locker or some 
>> adhesive for extra stick? Or do I need a 2-4 bolt faceplate stem for the 
>> extra gripping strength?
>>
>> Let me know if you have any tips/tricks/ideas! Thanks,
>>
>> Ethan
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Riv Rafting Redeux

[Ryan Frahm]

That looks like a great ride John! I remember seeing that route pop up on 
Bikepacking. Enjoy the trip!

I really enjoy the Spokane river. So clear when the water level is down. 
Riding on the centennial and admiring the river has been a very nice part 
of moving here. The water levels might be better on the lower sections, I 
haven’t been that way for a bit. I think it is worth bringing the rafts 
just in case!

On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 7:28:31 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> I must come down someday and float the section you speak of. I think a 
> cool trip would be a bike along the Centennial Trail to Idaho and then a 
> float back. A friend and I are headed down there on the 19th on our way to 
> the Nubwiggle ride out of Walla 
> Walla. Perhaps I can convince him to bring his raft and spend a day on the 
> Spokane!
>
> I've always admired how clear the water in the Spokane River seems, and 
> there are some very fine swimming spots past the Bowl and Pitcher area.
>
> Cheers.
>
> On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 7:07:09 PM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> We are so lucky to have this a few minutes walk from our door!
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 7:04:24 PM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>
>>> Absolutely! So much fun to share it with her! They do control the levels 
>>> and it has been as low as it can really get most of the summer. I love the 
>>> section from the Idaho border down to my place, 16 or so miles down the 
>>> best. They have just kept it pretty low. Hopefully we’ll have a better 
>>> snowpack this winter!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 6:54:13 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 You bet Ryan! If you're daughter is having fun then even the shortest 
 trip is a gift. I've seen the Spokane River when it's low, and I know the 
 rocks you're talking about. Do they control the levels of the river 
 through 
 dams?

 On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 6:43:30 PM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> So true John! These boats are quite impressive. We just have a lot of 
> rocks that I can’t fit between when it is low. I have been able to take 
> my 
> daughter on several short trips at least! I can’t complain about how much 
> fun she has on our short little raft trips. 
>
> On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 6:20:06 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Ryan, as you well know, these boats don't need a lot of water. I was 
>> along stretches yesterday where the river bottom was just inches away.
>>
>> Patrick, Because I live right near the trail and the river, these 
>> trips are usually 20-25km- half riding up the valley, and half floating 
>> down. The bigger commitment is time, usually between 4-6 hours. There 
>> are 
>> just too many swimming holes and cool spots to check out along the way!
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 2:18:25 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Lovely. 
>>>
>>> How far do you typically cover, by bike and by boat, on such an 
>>> excursion?
>>>
>>> Our acequia irrigation ditches have been full (in my area) but our 
>>> river, dammed and diverted along so much of its length, is very, very 
>>> low 
>>> -- 2/3 mudflats along the Montano Bridge just now.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 12:24 PM John Rinker  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Lately, we've had some beautiful summer temps in the daytime, but 
 as the nights begin to cool I know that my days of swimming 
 comfortably in 
 the river are waning. Oh, I'll still swim well into November, but it 
 won't 
 be comfortable! 

 [image: Paddling the River - 1 of 5.jpeg]

 I've been hitting the river regularly in the last couple of weeks, 
 paddling sections I don't normally do throughout the summer. Yesterday 
 I 
 went to the northern terminus of the Slocan Valley Rail Trail and put 
 my 
 packraft in Slocan Lake. I then proceeded to paddle down the river and 
 into 
 the Walter Clough Wildlife Preserve, a wide, marshy section of the 
 river 
 home to many species of birds. In the winter, trumpeter swans spend 
 time 
 there, but yesterday I saw none. The Canadian geese seem to be 
 gathering 
 there and preparing for their 'Honk if you love the South' tour. There 
 were 
 hundreds of them! I saw a few ducks, some osprey, and a couple of blue 
 herons. Trout and whitefish were jumping here and there. 
 [image: Paddling the River - 2 of 5.jpeg]
 [image: Paddling the River - 3 of 5.jpeg]

 I covered no great distances and broke no speed records for 
 pedalling or paddling, but it sure was an enjoyable day to roll across 
 gravel and float the

[RBW] 43mm-46mm 650b Tire Options.

[David B]

Curious what true 43mm-46mm 650b tire options are currently available. I'm 
using Velocity Atlas rims, so 'true' meaning they'll measure that on those 
rims. I setup my Riv Redwood (glad I kept) as 650b for a while now and am 
running 48mm Pari Motos (slightly undersized). They're mighty close to the 
chainstays, so looking for something slightly smaller. Asking for 43mm as 
it seems many of the current 42mm are undersized. 
Thanks!
David 

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RE: [RBW] WTB: 26” tires about 2.0” to 2.2” - mildly knobbie

[Bernard Duhon]

We are we are in in or down mode because of the hurricane not sure when will 
have the chance to look at this again






Yours sincerely,


Bernard F. Duhon

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Behalf Of Abe Gardner
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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] WTB: 26” tires about 2.0” to 2.2” - mildly knobbie

That just might work.
What price are you asking and any chance you’re local to the SF Bay Area so I 
could pick up?

Abe


On Sep 10, 2024, at 3:24 PM, Bernard Duhon 
mailto:bern...@bernardduhon.com>> wrote:

These are not lobbies, but I found them to be grippy enough 2 inch marathon 
supreme, and one 2 inch marathon if interested let me know

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mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>> 
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Subject: Re: [RBW] WTB: 26” tires about 2.0” to 2.2” - mildly knobbie

A couple people have reached out and are checking on size and finding their 
spare tires. If I could find Billy bunkers for $20 each, I would just do that, 
but the closest I can find is $29 each plus $15 shipping on Schwabe itself.

Hopefully someone in the Bay Area will see this and have a couple 26 inch tires 
to spare, still looking and will update if that changes.
On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 2:51:58 AM UTC-7 John Johnson wrote:
A couple budget but good, mildly knobby choices are the schwalbe billy bonkers 
or kenda small block 8. Both are 26 x 2.1 and are usually under $20 a piece.

cheers,

john
On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 2:47:28 AM UTC+2 Ginz wrote:
Not sure if you saw my reply about the Marathon Mondials.  If interested, let 
me know.
On Monday, September 9, 2024 at 7:45:18 PM UTC-4 
nicklin...@gmail.com wrote:
Consider Continental’s “Double Fighter”. 1.9” with a bit of knobs, but so 
comfortable on both asphalt & dry dirt. Reasonable price too, in the $28.00 
each range.


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> On Sep 9, 2024, at 9:15 AM, Abe Gardner 
> mailto:abe.g...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Want to buy some sorta knobbie tires for a give away bike.
>
> 26” tires X 2” to 2.2” would be ideal, like Big Ben or RaceKing or something 
> in between.
>
> Got a tricky bike from a neighbor’s garage sale: 1997 Specialized S-Works M2
>
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> I’m not into these Aluminum frames but I like the Mango color so I’m fixing 
> it up to give away / forever loan to someone. I snatched most the great XTR 
> and XT components.
>
> Located in Napa but could pick up from you in most of the Bay Area. Berkeley 
> or SF or such.
>
> Thanks!
> Abe
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Re: [RBW] Puzzled by 2 Rivendell recommendations

[Patrick Moore]

I think about only 1 cyclist when I insist that he ride a Rivendell fixed
instead of single speed, and that 1 is me; or rather, I. That 1 is I, if
you see what I (1) mean.

I don't care if someone rides a Roaduno fixed or free or multispeed; my
question bears on facts and not morals. But if I got one, I'd certainly set
it up fixed, or perhaps fixed/free.

Wouldn't verticals make the frame less apt for its apparent intended use as
the single speed signified by the name?


On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 11:14 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> ... What are the reasons why you think any individual cyclist should or
> would prefer riding fixed on a RoadUno over riding a single speed with a
> freewheel?  I've got like 7 or 8 reasons why I would never set up my new
> RoadUno as a fixie*.  Do you have any reasons why I would or should set up
> my new RoadUno as a fixie?
>
> *In fact, I'm so convinced in my thinking, that my mind is made up that
> the RoadUno should have come with vertical dropouts.
>

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Re: [RBW] Puzzled by 2 Rivendell recommendations

[tio ryan]

The main reason I bought a Roaduno was the track ends  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm loving it as a singlespeed (especially after adjusting the gear ratio). 
I was pleased to see bikesnob defend the caliper brakes; this is another 
feature I like about this bike that others seemingly weren't too keen on.

-tio "*you only need one*" ryan 
On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 11:14:21 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I think about only 1 cyclist when I insist that he ride a Rivendell fixed 
> instead of single speed, and that 1 is me; or rather, I. That 1 is I, if 
> you see what I (1) mean.
>
> I don't care if someone rides a Roaduno fixed or free or multispeed; my 
> question bears on facts and not morals. But if I got one, I'd certainly set 
> it up fixed, or perhaps fixed/free.
>
> Wouldn't verticals make the frame less apt for its apparent intended use 
> as the single speed signified by the name?
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 11:14 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> ... What are the reasons why you think any individual cyclist should or 
>> would prefer riding fixed on a RoadUno over riding a single speed with a 
>> freewheel?  I've got like 7 or 8 reasons why I would never set up my new 
>> RoadUno as a fixie*.  Do you have any reasons why I would or should set up 
>> my new RoadUno as a fixie?  
>>
>
>> *In fact, I'm so convinced in my thinking, that my mind is made up that 
>> the RoadUno should have come with vertical dropouts.  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Puzzled by 2 Rivendell recommendations

[Edwin W]

Bill,

I have set my Roaduno up as a fixie for a couple of reasons, but only one 
may apply to you: to experience a bike in a very simple form! Pedal 
forward, your bike moves forward, pedal backward, your bike moves backward, 
resist the forward movement of your pedals, the bike slows. 
I can't say it is the "best" or the absolutely most simple, or the most 
elegant way to set up a bike, but it is all of those things. When you have 
a stable as grand and nuanced as yours, I think one fixed gear would fit 
quite nicely. Maybe you need to get another Crust lightning bolt SS frame 
for that!

Here are a few pictures as I build it, improve it, complicate it, and move 
it closer to look like my appaloosa: 
https://flickr.com/photos/90785999@N06/albums/72177720319888300

Edwin

On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 12:14:17 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "With my lowish bb Riv fixie custom, back when I rode 22 mm actual 559 
> Michelin Pro Races (currently plump 27 mm RH Elk Passes, wish they were 30 
> mm, labeled 32 mm) I'd very occasionally hit a pedal in turns, but as I 
> generally am not a demon corner-er, it was never a real problem."
>
> It's true that somebody who takes corners exceptionally slowly may not 
> care about BB drop.  What are the reasons why you think any individual 
> cyclist should or would prefer riding fixed on a RoadUno over riding a 
> single speed with a freewheel?  I've got like 7 or 8 reasons why I would 
> never set up my new RoadUno as a fixie*.  Do you have any reasons why I 
> would or should set up my new RoadUno as a fixie?  
>
> *In fact, I'm so convinced in my thinking, that my mind is made up that 
> the RoadUno should have come with vertical dropouts.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 7:32:46 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Aha, got it. My fixed gear road custom has a large bb drop (forget 
>> exactly what, but with the fixed gear it was designed to use tires as small 
>> as 24 real inches in diameter -- 559 X 23 mm -- and Grant was careful to 
>> ask me about the narrowest tires I planned to use.
>>
>> Regarding previous threads on the rack -- it's this one: 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-marks-rack-m1-20108:
>>
>> I didn't read the thread or threads so sorry for the repeat; but then 
>> again, we'd lose list continuity were there not so many thread repeats. (I 
>> read about 50% of the Boblist and of the RBW list and perhaps 17.379% of 
>> the CR list -- seriously, about 25%.)
>>
>> David P: agree: install a front brake! All my fixed gears have a front 
>> brake (and some even have a rear).
>>
>> With my lowish bb Riv fixie custom, back when I rode 22 mm actual 559 
>> Michelin Pro Races (currently plump 27 mm RH Elk Passes, wish they were 30 
>> mm, labeled 32 mm) I'd very occasionally hit a pedal in turns, but as I 
>> generally am not a demon corner-er, it was never a real problem.
>>
>> Idiots overloading racks: One reason Chauncey Matthews stopped building 
>> bikes was an instance where a rack he built for a custom frame cracked -- 
>> which he had to replace -- when the rider was (said Chauncey) carrying a 
>> hugely heavy toolkit on it while riding off road; my recollection of the 
>> conversation. More about idiots: 2000 Prez election, Florida, when "hanging 
>> chads" caused miscounts. The CEO of the voting machine on primetime news 
>> was asked about making a more idiot-proof system. He replied: "Oh, we can 
>> make a more idiot-proof system, but then they'd only invent bigger idiots."
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 5:59 PM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>
>>> Riv is concerned the bottom bracket drop (80mm IIRC) is too low for a 
>>> fixed gear—pedal strike concern. 
>>>
>>> I would run it fixed without hesitation. 
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Puzzled by 2 Rivendell recommendations

[Bill Lindsay]

Edwin

I do own a fixie, and it is a Crust.  It's the original offering Crust 
Florida Man.  It lives in my office in Michigan, and it's right at home 
there in Western Wayne County.  A fixie would be a disaster for me in the 
SF East Bay.  

BL in EC
On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 9:08:29 AM UTC-7 Edwin W wrote:

> Bill,
>
> I have set my Roaduno up as a fixie for a couple of reasons, but only one 
> may apply to you: to experience a bike in a very simple form! Pedal 
> forward, your bike moves forward, pedal backward, your bike moves backward, 
> resist the forward movement of your pedals, the bike slows. 
> I can't say it is the "best" or the absolutely most simple, or the most 
> elegant way to set up a bike, but it is all of those things. When you have 
> a stable as grand and nuanced as yours, I think one fixed gear would fit 
> quite nicely. Maybe you need to get another Crust lightning bolt SS frame 
> for that!
>
> Here are a few pictures as I build it, improve it, complicate it, and move 
> it closer to look like my appaloosa: 
> https://flickr.com/photos/90785999@N06/albums/72177720319888300
>
> Edwin
>
> On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 12:14:17 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> "With my lowish bb Riv fixie custom, back when I rode 22 mm actual 559 
>> Michelin Pro Races (currently plump 27 mm RH Elk Passes, wish they were 30 
>> mm, labeled 32 mm) I'd very occasionally hit a pedal in turns, but as I 
>> generally am not a demon corner-er, it was never a real problem."
>>
>> It's true that somebody who takes corners exceptionally slowly may not 
>> care about BB drop.  What are the reasons why you think any individual 
>> cyclist should or would prefer riding fixed on a RoadUno over riding a 
>> single speed with a freewheel?  I've got like 7 or 8 reasons why I would 
>> never set up my new RoadUno as a fixie*.  Do you have any reasons why I 
>> would or should set up my new RoadUno as a fixie?  
>>
>> *In fact, I'm so convinced in my thinking, that my mind is made up that 
>> the RoadUno should have come with vertical dropouts.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 7:32:46 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Aha, got it. My fixed gear road custom has a large bb drop (forget 
>>> exactly what, but with the fixed gear it was designed to use tires as small 
>>> as 24 real inches in diameter -- 559 X 23 mm -- and Grant was careful to 
>>> ask me about the narrowest tires I planned to use.
>>>
>>> Regarding previous threads on the rack -- it's this one: 
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-marks-rack-m1-20108:
>>>
>>> I didn't read the thread or threads so sorry for the repeat; but then 
>>> again, we'd lose list continuity were there not so many thread repeats. (I 
>>> read about 50% of the Boblist and of the RBW list and perhaps 17.379% of 
>>> the CR list -- seriously, about 25%.)
>>>
>>> David P: agree: install a front brake! All my fixed gears have a front 
>>> brake (and some even have a rear).
>>>
>>> With my lowish bb Riv fixie custom, back when I rode 22 mm actual 559 
>>> Michelin Pro Races (currently plump 27 mm RH Elk Passes, wish they were 30 
>>> mm, labeled 32 mm) I'd very occasionally hit a pedal in turns, but as I 
>>> generally am not a demon corner-er, it was never a real problem.
>>>
>>> Idiots overloading racks: One reason Chauncey Matthews stopped building 
>>> bikes was an instance where a rack he built for a custom frame cracked -- 
>>> which he had to replace -- when the rider was (said Chauncey) carrying a 
>>> hugely heavy toolkit on it while riding off road; my recollection of the 
>>> conversation. More about idiots: 2000 Prez election, Florida, when "hanging 
>>> chads" caused miscounts. The CEO of the voting machine on primetime news 
>>> was asked about making a more idiot-proof system. He replied: "Oh, we can 
>>> make a more idiot-proof system, but then they'd only invent bigger idiots."
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 5:59 PM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>>
 Riv is concerned the bottom bracket drop (80mm IIRC) is too low for a 
 fixed gear—pedal strike concern. 

 I would run it fixed without hesitation. 

 Eric

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Puzzled by 2 Rivendell recommendations

[Bill Lindsay]

"Wouldn't verticals make the frame less apt for its apparent intended use 
as the single speed signified by the name?"

This is fascinating.  An individual implicitly shows an utter disregard for 
bicycles' apparent intended use by serially converting all possible 
platforms to fixies.  That individual doubles-down on that disregard by 
brainstorming a way to build a Clem as a fixie.  That same individual then 
makes a post explicitly stating that the only opinion about anything that 
matters is their own opinion.  And then, with extreme earnestness, argues 
that the NAME of a bicycle model pigeonholes the intended use for that 
bicycle.  

Can you please list the other bicycle models in the history of Earth that 
encode their specific intent in their name?  If that list is empty, then 
why is this the one bike in the history of Earth that is defined by your 
interpretation of its name?

It has custom proprietary track ends that have a dedicated hanger for a 
tensioner.  I call that the intent that the build include a tensioner.  I 
am pretty sure it is the only production bike on earth with a dedicated 
single-purpose tensioner hanger.  
It is the only current production bike on earth (I'm pretty sure) with a 
solo left-side down tube shifter boss.  I call that the intent that the 
build include a left side shifter.
The complete comes with a triple crank set with two chain rings.  I call 
that the intent that the build include two or three chain rings.  
The complete comes with a single freewheel (1, one, Uno). 
Grant's build is not a single speed.  Grant celebrates and encourages using 
a cool old freebie derailleur as your tensioner.  I call that the intent to 
run it as an Nx1, NxOne, NxUno.  

I think the primary intent of the RoadUno is a 2x1, and I think that is a 
genius format.  If I had to impart meaning on the name RoadUno, I guess I 
would say it's in reference to the single freewheel in back and the 120mm 
O.L.D.  I also think they had the name and the artwork and the headbadge 
before the bike design was finished in its evolution.  That's why I call my 
RoadUno a RoDeuxNo.  Maybe I'll make decal mods on mine.  

I think people who want a fixie with a Rivendell head badge on it can 
absolutely get that by building their RoadUno as a fixie.  If that's what 
they decide to do, I hope they love it.   I think people who want a single 
speed A Homer Hilsen can absolutely get that by building up their RoadUno 
as a single speed.  If that's what they do, I hope they love it.  I think 
the clear PRIMARY intent of the RoadUno is a 2x1, and if Riv had gone 
ALL-IN on that primary intent, they would have gone with vertical dropouts. 
 I like the track ends.  I like how they look, and I like that they are 
proprietary.  I like that they look like a monster.  I like the rack eyelet 
they present.  I have a rear-hub workaround that will achieve the wheel 
removal ease of vertical dropouts, and will also enable a perfect fender 
treatment, which is the other benefit of vertical dropouts.  I think the 
track ends earn an ALTERNATIVE build option for those who don't want to go 
with the primary intent of the bike.  I get it that some people hate the 
look of a tensioner, or just dislike the existence of a tensioner.  I'm 
sure somebody is going to take their dremel tool to the hanger on their 
RoadUno, which they have every right to do.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 8:14:21 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I think about only 1 cyclist when I insist that he ride a Rivendell fixed 
> instead of single speed, and that 1 is me; or rather, I. That 1 is I, if 
> you see what I (1) mean.
>
> I don't care if someone rides a Roaduno fixed or free or multispeed; my 
> question bears on facts and not morals. But if I got one, I'd certainly set 
> it up fixed, or perhaps fixed/free.
>
> Wouldn't verticals make the frame less apt for its apparent intended use 
> as the single speed signified by the name?
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 11:14 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> ... What are the reasons why you think any individual cyclist should or 
>> would prefer riding fixed on a RoadUno over riding a single speed with a 
>> freewheel?  I've got like 7 or 8 reasons why I would never set up my new 
>> RoadUno as a fixie*.  Do you have any reasons why I would or should set up 
>> my new RoadUno as a fixie?  
>>
>
>> *In fact, I'm so convinced in my thinking, that my mind is made up that 
>> the RoadUno should have come with vertical dropouts.  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Lots of nice Chrome parts for your builds/projects

[Drew Fitchette]

Reviving this old post now that we head into fall with a couple additions, 
prices don't include shipping:

   - *1 1/8” Nitto x Fairweather silver cable hanger(opened but never 
   mounted) - $25*
   - *Velocity Atlas Front Wheel on Deore Hub by Hands on wheels(looks 
   nearly new) - $150*
   - *Nitto 135mm TIG FacePlater - 225mm Quill - 25.4 - $70*
   - *Rivendell 60cm Tosco Handlebar - $45*

- Drew


On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 9:21:28 AM UTC-4 Drew Fitchette wrote:

> Alright everyone, Last list update. Just have the front wheel and the 
> cable hanger left:
>
>- *1 1/8” Nitto x Fairweather silver cable hanger(opened but never 
>mounted) - $25*
>
>
>- *Velocity Atlas Front Wheel on Deore Hub by Hands on wheels(looks 
>nearly new) - $150*
>
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 9:10:36 PM UTC-4 Drew Fitchette wrote:
>
>> Tires and saddle are gone. Here’s what’s left with reduced prices:
>>
>>
>>
>>- *Pair of Shimano DXR V brakes - $40*
>>
>>
>>- *Clipper Triple Crank(with chain guard for double conversion) - 
>>Hold*
>>
>>
>>- *1 1/8” Nitto x Fairweather silver cable hanger(opened but never 
>>mounted) - $25*
>>
>>
>>- *Shimano Deore LX M563 front and rear matching Derailleurs - $35 
>>OBO*
>>
>>
>>- *Velocity Atlas Front Wheel on Deore Hub by Hands on wheels(looks 
>>nearly new) - $150*
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, May 4, 2024 at 5:45:14 PM UTC-4 Drew Fitchette wrote:
>>
>>> Updated list for your viewing pleasure:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>- *Pair of Shimano DXR V brakes - $45*
>>>
>>>
>>>- *Clipper Triple Crank(with chain guard for double conversion) - 
>>>Hold*
>>>
>>>
>>>- *1 1/8” Nitto x Fairweather silver cable hanger(opened but never 
>>>mounted) - $25*
>>>
>>>
>>>- *Shimano Deore LX M563 front and rear matching Derailleurs - $40 
>>>OBO*
>>>
>>>
>>>- *Velocity Atlas Front Wheel on Deore Hub by Hands on wheels(looks 
>>>nearly new) - Hold*
>>>
>>>
>>>- *Pair of Soma Shikoro tires 38mm (low miles) - $40*
>>>- *Brooks Flyer Special (low miles, mounting scuffs on the rails) - 
>>>$80*
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 4:12:10 PM UTC-4 Drew Fitchette wrote:
>>>
 Levers have sold, everything else with some updated info/pricing before 
 shipping:


- *Velo Orange Silver Grand Cru Long Pull brake levers and shims - 
$OLD*
- *Pair of Shimano DXR V brakes - $45*
- *Clipper Triple Crank(with chain guard for double conversion) - 
$70*


- *1 1/8” Nitto x Fairweather silver cable hanger(opened but never 
mounted) - $25*
- *Sram 11-34 cassette - $15*


- *Shimano Deore LX M563 front and rear matching Derailleurs - $40 
OBO*


- *Velocity Atlas Front Wheel on Deore Hub by Hands on wheels(looks 
nearly new) - $150*


- *Single Tektro R559 side pull with second pair of kool stop 
pads(well used, but works great) - $20*
- *Pair of Soma Shikoro tires 38mm (low miles) - $40*


- *Brooks Flyer Special (low miles, mounting scuffs on the rails) - 
$80*

 On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 8:50:01 PM UTC-4 Steve wrote:

> Msg'd - VO Levers
>
> On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 5:57:17 PM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Messaged about the cable hanger :) 
>
>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 4:25:05 PM UTC-4 Drew Fitchette wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Everyone!
>>>
>>> I recently put together a new build and in going through all the 
>>> stuff in my bin I realized I needed to cull through some my 
>>> reserves/recently acquired but swapped gear. Here's what I'm looking to 
>>> move on to happy new homes, Buyers pay shipping:
>>>
>>>
>>>- *Velo Orange Silver Grand Cru Long Pull brake levers and shims 
>>>- $45*
>>>- *Pair of Shimano DXR V brakes - $50*
>>>- *Clipper Triple Crank(with chain guard for double conversion - 
>>>$70*
>>>- *1 1/8” Nitto x Fairweather silver cable hanger(opened but 
>>>never mounted) - $25*
>>>- *Sram 11-34 cassette - $15*
>>>- *Shimano Deore LX M563 front and rear matching Derailleurs - 
>>>$45 OBO*
>>>- *Velocity Atlas Front Wheel on Deore Hub by Hands on 
>>>wheels(looks nearly new) - $150*
>>>- *Single Tektro R559 See pull with second pair of kool stop 
>>>pads(well used, but works great) - $20*
>>>- *Pair of Soma Shikoro tires 38mm (low miles) - $60*
>>>- *Brooks Flyer Special (low miles, mounting scuffs on the 
>>>rails) - $80*
>>>
>>>
>>> *Photos here 
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Tinder? Not really, but close.

[Drew Fitchette]

Hey Brody,

The Radavist Radbazaaar has 2 bikes and 2 frames in your size listed(Rambo, 
Sam, Romulus, and Roadini). though you'd need to throw some different bars 
on the two completes.

Might be worth browsing!

- Drew

On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 3:17:33 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I approve of this form of "want to buy" post.  I hope somebody swipes in 
> the direction that folks swipe to make something positive happen.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 11:42:22 AM UTC-7 Brody wrote:
>
>> *ME:* A long-time steel rider who has admired Rivendell bikes from afar 
>> for years. After being inspired and encouraged by a few regulars on this 
>> board, I was finally able to make my way to Walnut Creek this summer to 
>> pedal my first. Will put me on a 61.5cm Roaduno with Billie bars (only bike 
>> built up in my size). It was snappy, responsive, and the frame specs were 
>> spot on for my now preferred upright riding style. I used to log serious 
>> road miles on my minty Indy Fab 
>>  but now it's less about 
>> speed, distance, and Strava logs. It’s all about comfort. If I can get in 
>> four 15-20 mile loops each week I'm happy. Yep, just enough wind on my face 
>> to achieve that optimum balance of mental and physical health. It's been 
>> working like a charm thus far on my Surly Cross Check w/Soma Oxford bars. 
>> But once my Indy Fab finds a new home (open to trading btw), I need another 
>> bike right?
>>
>>
>> *YOU:* Own a 61.5cm Homer or 61cm Roadini with Billie or Albatross bars? 
>> You’ve been on the fence about whether you want to find a new home for it. 
>> Perhaps it’s not seeing as much action as you had hoped? Maybe you need to 
>> thin out your herd? Or could it be you’d like to try out a new model, prep 
>> for move, or you’ve decided it’s just a tad too big or small to achieve 
>> your "perfect fit"? Whatever the case, you’ve resisted listing your Riv for 
>> sale because the process can be so __(fill in blank with 
>> adverb ending in *“ing”*).  
>>
>>
>> *MORE:* I'm 6-2 with a 93.5 PBH and a 80cm saddle height. I'm not much 
>> of wrencher (outside of simple tweaks) so ideally I’d be looking for a 
>> complete bike. I'm not afraid of a little beausage as long as there’s no 
>> rust, and the bike is mechanically sound. I’m looking for something I can 
>> ride now, not a Fall project. 
>>
>>
>> Are we match? Is it meant to be? Send me a DM.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> Brody in LA
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Puzzled by 2 Rivendell recommendations

[Edwin W]

Hahaha, I love this conversation.

I agree with Bill Lindsay on almost anything he writes except for his 
argument that the primary use of a bike named the Roaduno is as a two speed!

What I think happened is that Grant designed a single speed, named it a 
Roaduno, and then thought, wait, what other cool/not usual ways can I set 
this up that captures my style and desire for a bike. that is his way to 
ride the bike and he popped a derailer hanger and a shifter boss on there 
to make that easy.

But only Grant could settle this debate that I am sure will take over the 
internet, wink wink.

Edwin



On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 1:09:07 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "Wouldn't verticals make the frame less apt for its apparent intended use 
> as the single speed signified by the name?"
>
> This is fascinating.  An individual implicitly shows an utter disregard 
> for bicycles' apparent intended use by serially converting all possible 
> platforms to fixies.  That individual doubles-down on that disregard by 
> brainstorming a way to build a Clem as a fixie.  That same individual then 
> makes a post explicitly stating that the only opinion about anything that 
> matters is their own opinion.  And then, with extreme earnestness, argues 
> that the NAME of a bicycle model pigeonholes the intended use for that 
> bicycle.  
>
> Can you please list the other bicycle models in the history of Earth that 
> encode their specific intent in their name?  If that list is empty, then 
> why is this the one bike in the history of Earth that is defined by your 
> interpretation of its name?
>
> It has custom proprietary track ends that have a dedicated hanger for a 
> tensioner.  I call that the intent that the build include a tensioner.  I 
> am pretty sure it is the only production bike on earth with a dedicated 
> single-purpose tensioner hanger.  
> It is the only current production bike on earth (I'm pretty sure) with a 
> solo left-side down tube shifter boss.  I call that the intent that the 
> build include a left side shifter.
> The complete comes with a triple crank set with two chain rings.  I call 
> that the intent that the build include two or three chain rings.  
> The complete comes with a single freewheel (1, one, Uno). 
> Grant's build is not a single speed.  Grant celebrates and encourages 
> using a cool old freebie derailleur as your tensioner.  I call that the 
> intent to run it as an Nx1, NxOne, NxUno.  
>
> I think the primary intent of the RoadUno is a 2x1, and I think that is a 
> genius format.  If I had to impart meaning on the name RoadUno, I guess I 
> would say it's in reference to the single freewheel in back and the 120mm 
> O.L.D.  I also think they had the name and the artwork and the headbadge 
> before the bike design was finished in its evolution.  That's why I call my 
> RoadUno a RoDeuxNo.  Maybe I'll make decal mods on mine.  
>
> I think people who want a fixie with a Rivendell head badge on it can 
> absolutely get that by building their RoadUno as a fixie.  If that's what 
> they decide to do, I hope they love it.   I think people who want a single 
> speed A Homer Hilsen can absolutely get that by building up their RoadUno 
> as a single speed.  If that's what they do, I hope they love it.  I think 
> the clear PRIMARY intent of the RoadUno is a 2x1, and if Riv had gone 
> ALL-IN on that primary intent, they would have gone with vertical dropouts. 
>  I like the track ends.  I like how they look, and I like that they are 
> proprietary.  I like that they look like a monster.  I like the rack eyelet 
> they present.  I have a rear-hub workaround that will achieve the wheel 
> removal ease of vertical dropouts, and will also enable a perfect fender 
> treatment, which is the other benefit of vertical dropouts.  I think the 
> track ends earn an ALTERNATIVE build option for those who don't want to go 
> with the primary intent of the bike.  I get it that some people hate the 
> look of a tensioner, or just dislike the existence of a tensioner.  I'm 
> sure somebody is going to take their dremel tool to the hanger on their 
> RoadUno, which they have every right to do.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 8:14:21 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I think about only 1 cyclist when I insist that he ride a Rivendell fixed 
>> instead of single speed, and that 1 is me; or rather, I. That 1 is I, if 
>> you see what I (1) mean.
>>
>> I don't care if someone rides a Roaduno fixed or free or multispeed; my 
>> question bears on facts and not morals. But if I got one, I'd certainly set 
>> it up fixed, or perhaps fixed/free.
>>
>> Wouldn't verticals make the frame less apt for its apparent intended use 
>> as the single speed signified by the name?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 11:14 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> ... What are the reasons why you think any individual cyclist should or 
>>> would prefer riding fixed on a RoadUno over riding

Re: [RBW] Puzzled by 2 Rivendell recommendations

[Bill Lindsay]

I said:  "I also think they had the name and the artwork and the headbadge 
before the bike design was finished in its evolution"

then Edwin said: "I think happened is that Grant designed a single speed, 
named it a Roaduno, and then thought, wait, what other cool/not usual ways 
can I set this up that captures my style and desire for a bike"

Sounds like we agree.  

BL in EC

On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 11:49:03 AM UTC-7 Edwin W wrote:

> Hahaha, I love this conversation.
>
> I agree with Bill Lindsay on almost anything he writes except for his 
> argument that the primary use of a bike named the Roaduno is as a two speed!
>
> What I think happened is that Grant designed a single speed, named it a 
> Roaduno, and then thought, wait, what other cool/not usual ways can I set 
> this up that captures my style and desire for a bike. that is his way to 
> ride the bike and he popped a derailer hanger and a shifter boss on there 
> to make that easy.
>
> But only Grant could settle this debate that I am sure will take over the 
> internet, wink wink.
>
> Edwin
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 1:09:07 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> "Wouldn't verticals make the frame less apt for its apparent intended use 
>> as the single speed signified by the name?"
>>
>> This is fascinating.  An individual implicitly shows an utter disregard 
>> for bicycles' apparent intended use by serially converting all possible 
>> platforms to fixies.  That individual doubles-down on that disregard by 
>> brainstorming a way to build a Clem as a fixie.  That same individual then 
>> makes a post explicitly stating that the only opinion about anything that 
>> matters is their own opinion.  And then, with extreme earnestness, argues 
>> that the NAME of a bicycle model pigeonholes the intended use for that 
>> bicycle.  
>>
>> Can you please list the other bicycle models in the history of Earth that 
>> encode their specific intent in their name?  If that list is empty, then 
>> why is this the one bike in the history of Earth that is defined by your 
>> interpretation of its name?
>>
>> It has custom proprietary track ends that have a dedicated hanger for a 
>> tensioner.  I call that the intent that the build include a tensioner.  I 
>> am pretty sure it is the only production bike on earth with a dedicated 
>> single-purpose tensioner hanger.  
>> It is the only current production bike on earth (I'm pretty sure) with a 
>> solo left-side down tube shifter boss.  I call that the intent that the 
>> build include a left side shifter.
>> The complete comes with a triple crank set with two chain rings.  I call 
>> that the intent that the build include two or three chain rings.  
>> The complete comes with a single freewheel (1, one, Uno). 
>> Grant's build is not a single speed.  Grant celebrates and encourages 
>> using a cool old freebie derailleur as your tensioner.  I call that the 
>> intent to run it as an Nx1, NxOne, NxUno.  
>>
>> I think the primary intent of the RoadUno is a 2x1, and I think that is a 
>> genius format.  If I had to impart meaning on the name RoadUno, I guess I 
>> would say it's in reference to the single freewheel in back and the 120mm 
>> O.L.D.  I also think they had the name and the artwork and the headbadge 
>> before the bike design was finished in its evolution.  That's why I call my 
>> RoadUno a RoDeuxNo.  Maybe I'll make decal mods on mine.  
>>
>> I think people who want a fixie with a Rivendell head badge on it can 
>> absolutely get that by building their RoadUno as a fixie.  If that's what 
>> they decide to do, I hope they love it.   I think people who want a single 
>> speed A Homer Hilsen can absolutely get that by building up their RoadUno 
>> as a single speed.  If that's what they do, I hope they love it.  I think 
>> the clear PRIMARY intent of the RoadUno is a 2x1, and if Riv had gone 
>> ALL-IN on that primary intent, they would have gone with vertical dropouts. 
>>  I like the track ends.  I like how they look, and I like that they are 
>> proprietary.  I like that they look like a monster.  I like the rack eyelet 
>> they present.  I have a rear-hub workaround that will achieve the wheel 
>> removal ease of vertical dropouts, and will also enable a perfect fender 
>> treatment, which is the other benefit of vertical dropouts.  I think the 
>> track ends earn an ALTERNATIVE build option for those who don't want to go 
>> with the primary intent of the bike.  I get it that some people hate the 
>> look of a tensioner, or just dislike the existence of a tensioner.  I'm 
>> sure somebody is going to take their dremel tool to the hanger on their 
>> RoadUno, which they have every right to do.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 8:14:21 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I think about only 1 cyclist when I insist that he ride a Rivendell 
>>> fixed instead of single speed, and that 1 is me; or rather, I. That 1 is I, 
>>> if

[RBW] Re: Roaduno update

[Bill Lindsay]

"Maybe I should just buy another bare frame..."

Evergreen APPROVE

BL in EC

On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 12:10:41 PM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> I ordered the Origin 8 38-tooth chainring from Rivendell, but fortunately 
> they sent the Silver 38-tooth chainring instead, Looks great. I also waxed 
> the chain and installed the Phil Wood BB and purple chainring bolts. Now I 
> can ride in the 38x16 instead of the 35x19.
>
> [image: unnamed1.jpg]
>
> I also found my NOS Regina Oro 5 speed freewheel and chain, chain stay 
> cable stop, and I have one of these (below) around somewhere - adapts a 
> single shifter braze-on to two shifter mounts - it was a thing back in the 
> French bike days of the 60s-70s. It fits around the around the shifter 
> braze-on on one side. It has been converted to use a modern shifter 
> (paddythepeddler on ebay), but I am going to keep the Roaduno as a single 
> speed for now. Maybe I should just buy another bare frame...
>
> [image: s-l1600 (1).jpg]
> Laing Conley
> Delray Beach FL
>

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[RBW] Re: Roaduno update

[Bill Lindsay]

Also, 38x16 and 35x19, the original White Industries DOS ENO drivetrain set 
up, is dynamite.  It's a bummer that White Industries doesn't make the 
16/19 anymore, so good on you for having one.  

BL in EC

On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 12:10:41 PM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> I ordered the Origin 8 38-tooth chainring from Rivendell, but fortunately 
> they sent the Silver 38-tooth chainring instead, Looks great. I also waxed 
> the chain and installed the Phil Wood BB and purple chainring bolts. Now I 
> can ride in the 38x16 instead of the 35x19.
>
> [image: unnamed1.jpg]
>
> I also found my NOS Regina Oro 5 speed freewheel and chain, chain stay 
> cable stop, and I have one of these (below) around somewhere - adapts a 
> single shifter braze-on to two shifter mounts - it was a thing back in the 
> French bike days of the 60s-70s. It fits around the around the shifter 
> braze-on on one side. It has been converted to use a modern shifter 
> (paddythepeddler on ebay), but I am going to keep the Roaduno as a single 
> speed for now. Maybe I should just buy another bare frame...
>
> [image: s-l1600 (1).jpg]
> Laing Conley
> Delray Beach FL
>

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[RBW] Re: Blue Lug Susie

[R. Alexis]

Lol! Good one Eric! Will probably be laughing at that the rest of the 
day. 

Reginald Alexis

On Thursday, September 5, 2024 at 4:30:39 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> I believe that's a wall-mounted thermostat control for an HVAC system 
>
> On Thursday, September 5, 2024 at 5:05:17 PM UTC-4 mwill...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> On their built by Blue Lug” Rivendell page there is a new Susie build 
>> posted. A beautiful San by One (3x1) with something (?) below the headset 
>> spacers. Anyone have an idea what this is?
>>  [image: IMG_0338.jpeg]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 26” tires about 2.0” to 2.2” - mildly knobbie

[R. Alexis]

Nice bike. It it as pictured? Who is going to be the recipient of this fine 
steed? 

I may have some used something or another hanging around that you can have, 
but looks like you are covered. 

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis 

On Monday, September 9, 2024 at 11:15:20 AM UTC-5 Pancake wrote:

> Want to buy some sorta knobbie tires for a give away bike.
>
> 26” tires X 2” to 2.2” would be ideal, like Big Ben or RaceKing or 
> something in between. 
>
> Got a tricky bike from a neighbor’s garage sale: 1997 Specialized S-Works 
> M2
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Re: [RBW] Re: Blue Lug Susie

[Joe Bunik]

Shimano Nexave(?) locking headset collar, JDM-spec on many Tokyo mamachari.
A solution to the dreaded wheel-turn-bike-go-flop problem.
Joe

On Wed, Sep 11, 2024 at 1:27 PM R. Alexis  wrote:

> Lol! Good one Eric! Will probably be laughing at that the rest of the
> day.
>
> Reginald Alexis
>
> On Thursday, September 5, 2024 at 4:30:39 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> I believe that's a wall-mounted thermostat control for an HVAC system
>>
>> On Thursday, September 5, 2024 at 5:05:17 PM UTC-4 mwill...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On their built by Blue Lug” Rivendell page there is a new Susie build
>>> posted. A beautiful San by One (3x1) with something (?) below the headset
>>> spacers. Anyone have an idea what this is?
>>>  [image: IMG_0338.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: 26” tires about 2.0” to 2.2” - mildly knobbie

[Abe Gardner]

Unfortunately, I don’t have anything specific lined up yet, so if you’ve got a pair of tires like this hanging around, I’d appreciate it! No, pic is a stock photo of the bike when it was sold. I’ll take a picture of how it stands today, mostly stripped down and awaiting a new crankset, chain, shifter, grips and cables/housing.I’ve got the 3x8 combo brake levers / shifters available to sell, Shimano ST-m739. Just cleaning them up if anyone’s interested. The build plan includes:Crankset 170mm, 36t 1xCassette 11-40t 9 speed SunraceAltus derailer Shimano V brakes and yokozuna brake levers Front wheel: original SpecializedRear wheel: XT 750 hub with asymmetric rim from the late 90sBig composite pedals (112mm x 115mm)Original handlebars (through if I happen upon some sweptback or riser bars I’ll swap those on instead), stem, bar ends, frame, and front wheel.I’ll probably give it to a teacher at my kid’s school or from my union or the next mellow seeming person it fits who says they want a bike. My partner will not accept it being added to my own reasonably sized bike hoard though. I’ll then spend the next week or three years slowly reallocating all the XTR and XT components I scavenged from it onto my other rides. Or maybe I need a new bike frame to fit them onto … maybe my Cheviot will get replaced by a Platy. I’ll have a little room in the garage once I give my shared Rosco Baby bike to my friend and fellow list member who is having a baby soon! Still looking for tires,AbeOn Sep 11, 2024, at 1:31 PM, R. Alexis  wrote:Nice bike. It it as pictured? Who is going to be the recipient of this fine steed? I may have some used something or another hanging around that you can have, but looks like you are covered. Thanks,Reginald Alexis On Monday, September 9, 2024 at 11:15:20 AM UTC-5 Pancake wrote:Want to buy some sorta knobbie tires for a give away bike.

26” tires X 2” to 2.2” would be ideal, like Big Ben or RaceKing or something in between. 

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Re: [RBW] Puzzled by 2 Rivendell recommendations

[Eric Daume]

The dropouts might be proprietary, but they're functionally identical to
those on a 2003 Surly Karate Monkey... though I doubt Riv's have the Surly
name cast in.

Eric

On Wed, Sep 11, 2024 at 2:09 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> "Wouldn't verticals make the frame less apt for its apparent intended use
> as the single speed signified by the name?"
>
> This is fascinating.  An individual implicitly shows an utter disregard
> for bicycles' apparent intended use by serially converting all possible
> platforms to fixies.  That individual doubles-down on that disregard by
> brainstorming a way to build a Clem as a fixie.  That same individual then
> makes a post explicitly stating that the only opinion about anything that
> matters is their own opinion.  And then, with extreme earnestness, argues
> that the NAME of a bicycle model pigeonholes the intended use for that
> bicycle.
>
> Can you please list the other bicycle models in the history of Earth that
> encode their specific intent in their name?  If that list is empty, then
> why is this the one bike in the history of Earth that is defined by your
> interpretation of its name?
>
> It has custom proprietary track ends that have a dedicated hanger for a
> tensioner.  I call that the intent that the build include a tensioner.  I
> am pretty sure it is the only production bike on earth with a dedicated
> single-purpose tensioner hanger.
> It is the only current production bike on earth (I'm pretty sure) with a
> solo left-side down tube shifter boss.  I call that the intent that the
> build include a left side shifter.
> The complete comes with a triple crank set with two chain rings.  I call
> that the intent that the build include two or three chain rings.
> The complete comes with a single freewheel (1, one, Uno).
> Grant's build is not a single speed.  Grant celebrates and encourages
> using a cool old freebie derailleur as your tensioner.  I call that the
> intent to run it as an Nx1, NxOne, NxUno.
>
> I think the primary intent of the RoadUno is a 2x1, and I think that is a
> genius format.  If I had to impart meaning on the name RoadUno, I guess I
> would say it's in reference to the single freewheel in back and the 120mm
> O.L.D.  I also think they had the name and the artwork and the headbadge
> before the bike design was finished in its evolution.  That's why I call my
> RoadUno a RoDeuxNo.  Maybe I'll make decal mods on mine.
>
> I think people who want a fixie with a Rivendell head badge on it can
> absolutely get that by building their RoadUno as a fixie.  If that's what
> they decide to do, I hope they love it.   I think people who want a single
> speed A Homer Hilsen can absolutely get that by building up their RoadUno
> as a single speed.  If that's what they do, I hope they love it.  I think
> the clear PRIMARY intent of the RoadUno is a 2x1, and if Riv had gone
> ALL-IN on that primary intent, they would have gone with vertical
> dropouts.  I like the track ends.  I like how they look, and I like that
> they are proprietary.  I like that they look like a monster.  I like the
> rack eyelet they present.  I have a rear-hub workaround that will achieve
> the wheel removal ease of vertical dropouts, and will also enable a perfect
> fender treatment, which is the other benefit of vertical dropouts.  I think
> the track ends earn an ALTERNATIVE build option for those who don't want to
> go with the primary intent of the bike.  I get it that some people hate the
> look of a tensioner, or just dislike the existence of a tensioner.  I'm
> sure somebody is going to take their dremel tool to the hanger on their
> RoadUno, which they have every right to do.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 8:14:21 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I think about only 1 cyclist when I insist that he ride a Rivendell fixed
>> instead of single speed, and that 1 is me; or rather, I. That 1 is I, if
>> you see what I (1) mean.
>>
>> I don't care if someone rides a Roaduno fixed or free or multispeed; my
>> question bears on facts and not morals. But if I got one, I'd certainly set
>> it up fixed, or perhaps fixed/free.
>>
>> Wouldn't verticals make the frame less apt for its apparent intended use
>> as the single speed signified by the name?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 11:14 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> ... What are the reasons why you think any individual cyclist should or
>>> would prefer riding fixed on a RoadUno over riding a single speed with a
>>> freewheel?  I've got like 7 or 8 reasons why I would never set up my new
>>> RoadUno as a fixie*.  Do you have any reasons why I would or should set up
>>> my new RoadUno as a fixie?
>>>
>>
>>> *In fact, I'm so convinced in my thinking, that my mind is made up that
>>> the RoadUno should have come with vertical dropouts.
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[RBW] WTB Nitto, VO, or smaller Soma front rack

[Caroline Golum]

I know I just missed a FS post for a Nitto front rack and I'm kicking 
myself! I've got a Soma Lucas 3 on my bike now, but am looking for 
something smaller. Ideally Nitto, VO, or the Soma Champs-Elysees. Using 
sidepull breaks and 650B wheels if that helps any. 

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[RBW] Re: Slipping on swept back handlebars

[Jacob Kersey]

After tightening a single bolt Ritchey stem to the point where it 
compressed/deformed a pair of chromo Bosco bars, I started using carbon 
friction paste/gel to prevent slippage in these situations. No issues since.
-Jake in Oakland 

On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 4:20:56 AM UTC-7 Dan wrote:

> To add: I ride single track semi regularly and no issues since tightening. 
>
> On Wednesday 11 September 2024 at 20:49:55 UTC+9:30 Dan wrote:
>
>>
>> Swept back bars with a 26.0 clamp diameter? Must be the Crust Ron’s Ortho 
>> Bars!
>>
>> I had slipping issues with mine initially until I just really tightened 
>> down on the stem. I’m running an old Velo Orange Crand Cru steel stem. 
>> Looks great, but I could indeed go with more reach if I could ever find a 
>> stem that had it. 
>> On Wednesday 11 September 2024 at 04:15:45 UTC+9:30 ethan...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just put some swept back handlebars on my bicycle and I am having 
>>> trouble with slipping. The handlebars sweep back 7 inches or so with a 26mm 
>>> clamp diameter. My stem is a nitto tallux and I'm switching in an old 130mm 
>>> Ritchey stem for more reach, but I'm still worried about the bar slipping. 
>>> Is there a good solution for gripping big bars that increase torque at the 
>>> stem clamp, especially when riding on gravel/off-road? 
>>>
>>> I might be able to tighten it more, but I'm worried that going tighter 
>>> will strip or deform the bolt. Do folks ever use thread-locker or some 
>>> adhesive for extra stick? Or do I need a 2-4 bolt faceplate stem for the 
>>> extra gripping strength?
>>>
>>> Let me know if you have any tips/tricks/ideas! Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ethan
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping on swept back handlebars

[Eliot Balogh]

Yeah, I would definitely try some carbon paste

On Wed, Sep 11, 2024 at 3:38 PM Jacob Kersey  wrote:

> After tightening a single bolt Ritchey stem to the point where it
> compressed/deformed a pair of chromo Bosco bars, I started using carbon
> friction paste/gel to prevent slippage in these situations. No issues since.
> -Jake in Oakland
>
> On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 4:20:56 AM UTC-7 Dan wrote:
>
>> To add: I ride single track semi regularly and no issues since
>> tightening.
>>
>> On Wednesday 11 September 2024 at 20:49:55 UTC+9:30 Dan wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Swept back bars with a 26.0 clamp diameter? Must be the Crust Ron’s
>>> Ortho Bars!
>>>
>>> I had slipping issues with mine initially until I just really tightened
>>> down on the stem. I’m running an old Velo Orange Crand Cru steel stem.
>>> Looks great, but I could indeed go with more reach if I could ever find a
>>> stem that had it.
>>> On Wednesday 11 September 2024 at 04:15:45 UTC+9:30 ethan...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I just put some swept back handlebars on my bicycle and I am having
 trouble with slipping. The handlebars sweep back 7 inches or so with a 26mm
 clamp diameter. My stem is a nitto tallux and I'm switching in an old 130mm
 Ritchey stem for more reach, but I'm still worried about the bar slipping.
 Is there a good solution for gripping big bars that increase torque at the
 stem clamp, especially when riding on gravel/off-road?

 I might be able to tighten it more, but I'm worried that going tighter
 will strip or deform the bolt. Do folks ever use thread-locker or some
 adhesive for extra stick? Or do I need a 2-4 bolt faceplate stem for the
 extra gripping strength?

 Let me know if you have any tips/tricks/ideas! Thanks,

 Ethan

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[RBW] Re: Slipping on swept back handlebars

[ricksteves]

Could always try a 25.4 clamp stem with the 26.0 diameter HBs - the muscle 
it takes to get that clamp onto the wider HBs is more than enough to keep 
it in place when riding.

A faceplater stem is never a bad idea either, since 2 or 4 bolts is more 
secure than 1.

~ NJD

On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 12:45:45 PM UTC-6 Ethan VanValkenburg 
wrote:

> I just put some swept back handlebars on my bicycle and I am having 
> trouble with slipping. The handlebars sweep back 7 inches or so with a 26mm 
> clamp diameter. My stem is a nitto tallux and I'm switching in an old 130mm 
> Ritchey stem for more reach, but I'm still worried about the bar slipping. 
> Is there a good solution for gripping big bars that increase torque at the 
> stem clamp, especially when riding on gravel/off-road? 
>
> I might be able to tighten it more, but I'm worried that going tighter 
> will strip or deform the bolt. Do folks ever use thread-locker or some 
> adhesive for extra stick? Or do I need a 2-4 bolt faceplate stem for the 
> extra gripping strength?
>
> Let me know if you have any tips/tricks/ideas! Thanks,
>
> Ethan
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Tinder? Not really, but close.

[Brody]

Drew - 

Thanks for the leads. I've reached out.

Any insights/opinions on Homer vs. Roadini for a first-time Rivendell rider?

Cheers

On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 11:39:37 AM UTC-7 drewfi...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hey Brody,
>
> The Radavist Radbazaaar has 2 bikes and 2 frames in your size 
> listed(Rambo, Sam, Romulus, and Roadini). though you'd need to throw some 
> different bars on the two completes.
>
> Might be worth browsing!
>
> - Drew
>
> On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 3:17:33 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I approve of this form of "want to buy" post.  I hope somebody swipes in 
>> the direction that folks swipe to make something positive happen.  
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 11:42:22 AM UTC-7 Brody wrote:
>>
>>> *ME:* A long-time steel rider who has admired Rivendell bikes from afar 
>>> for years. After being inspired and encouraged by a few regulars on this 
>>> board, I was finally able to make my way to Walnut Creek this summer to 
>>> pedal my first. Will put me on a 61.5cm Roaduno with Billie bars (only bike 
>>> built up in my size). It was snappy, responsive, and the frame specs were 
>>> spot on for my now preferred upright riding style. I used to log serious 
>>> road miles on my minty Indy Fab 
>>>  but now it's less about 
>>> speed, distance, and Strava logs. It’s all about comfort. If I can get in 
>>> four 15-20 mile loops each week I'm happy. Yep, just enough wind on my face 
>>> to achieve that optimum balance of mental and physical health. It's been 
>>> working like a charm thus far on my Surly Cross Check w/Soma Oxford bars. 
>>> But once my Indy Fab finds a new home (open to trading btw), I need another 
>>> bike right?
>>>
>>>
>>> *YOU:* Own a 61.5cm Homer or 61cm Roadini with Billie or Albatross 
>>> bars? You’ve been on the fence about whether you want to find a new home 
>>> for it. Perhaps it’s not seeing as much action as you had hoped? Maybe you 
>>> need to thin out your herd? Or could it be you’d like to try out a new 
>>> model, prep for move, or you’ve decided it’s just a tad too big or small to 
>>> achieve your "perfect fit"? Whatever the case, you’ve resisted listing your 
>>> Riv for sale because the process can be so __(fill in blank 
>>> with adverb ending in *“ing”*).  
>>>
>>>
>>> *MORE:* I'm 6-2 with a 93.5 PBH and a 80cm saddle height. I'm not much 
>>> of wrencher (outside of simple tweaks) so ideally I’d be looking for a 
>>> complete bike. I'm not afraid of a little beausage as long as there’s no 
>>> rust, and the bike is mechanically sound. I’m looking for something I can 
>>> ride now, not a Fall project. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Are we match? Is it meant to be? Send me a DM.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>> Brody in LA
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Tinder? Not really, but close.

[Brody]

Ha. Thanks for sending out some positive vibes Bill. No swipes yet, but I'm 
not giving up hope.

Cheers,

Brody in LA

On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 12:17:33 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I approve of this form of "want to buy" post.  I hope somebody swipes in 
> the direction that folks swipe to make something positive happen.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 11:42:22 AM UTC-7 Brody wrote:
>
>> *ME:* A long-time steel rider who has admired Rivendell bikes from afar 
>> for years. After being inspired and encouraged by a few regulars on this 
>> board, I was finally able to make my way to Walnut Creek this summer to 
>> pedal my first. Will put me on a 61.5cm Roaduno with Billie bars (only bike 
>> built up in my size). It was snappy, responsive, and the frame specs were 
>> spot on for my now preferred upright riding style. I used to log serious 
>> road miles on my minty Indy Fab 
>>  but now it's less about 
>> speed, distance, and Strava logs. It’s all about comfort. If I can get in 
>> four 15-20 mile loops each week I'm happy. Yep, just enough wind on my face 
>> to achieve that optimum balance of mental and physical health. It's been 
>> working like a charm thus far on my Surly Cross Check w/Soma Oxford bars. 
>> But once my Indy Fab finds a new home (open to trading btw), I need another 
>> bike right?
>>
>>
>> *YOU:* Own a 61.5cm Homer or 61cm Roadini with Billie or Albatross bars? 
>> You’ve been on the fence about whether you want to find a new home for it. 
>> Perhaps it’s not seeing as much action as you had hoped? Maybe you need to 
>> thin out your herd? Or could it be you’d like to try out a new model, prep 
>> for move, or you’ve decided it’s just a tad too big or small to achieve 
>> your "perfect fit"? Whatever the case, you’ve resisted listing your Riv for 
>> sale because the process can be so __(fill in blank with 
>> adverb ending in *“ing”*).  
>>
>>
>> *MORE:* I'm 6-2 with a 93.5 PBH and a 80cm saddle height. I'm not much 
>> of wrencher (outside of simple tweaks) so ideally I’d be looking for a 
>> complete bike. I'm not afraid of a little beausage as long as there’s no 
>> rust, and the bike is mechanically sound. I’m looking for something I can 
>> ride now, not a Fall project. 
>>
>>
>> Are we match? Is it meant to be? Send me a DM.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> Brody in LA
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: ISO: Ron's Ortho bars in silver

[zc]

found a pair- thx charlie! 

On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 11:42:04 AM UTC-7 zc wrote:

> hi folks! 
> looking for another pair of Ortho's...please let me know if you're 
> holding. cheers!
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Tinder? Not really, but close.

[R A]

Brody i have zero relationship to the seller but 1hr from in Chicago is a 
complete 64cm Holden for $1500 which seems like a great deal. Minimum pbh 
looks to be 94cm so I don’t know if sizing up will work for ya but I sized 
up on the Appaloosa for what it’s worth. 

On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 1:39:37 PM UTC-5 drewfi...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hey Brody,
>
> The Radavist Radbazaaar has 2 bikes and 2 frames in your size 
> listed(Rambo, Sam, Romulus, and Roadini). though you'd need to throw some 
> different bars on the two completes.
>
> Might be worth browsing!
>
> - Drew
>
> On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 3:17:33 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I approve of this form of "want to buy" post.  I hope somebody swipes in 
>> the direction that folks swipe to make something positive happen.  
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 11:42:22 AM UTC-7 Brody wrote:
>>
>>> *ME:* A long-time steel rider who has admired Rivendell bikes from afar 
>>> for years. After being inspired and encouraged by a few regulars on this 
>>> board, I was finally able to make my way to Walnut Creek this summer to 
>>> pedal my first. Will put me on a 61.5cm Roaduno with Billie bars (only bike 
>>> built up in my size). It was snappy, responsive, and the frame specs were 
>>> spot on for my now preferred upright riding style. I used to log serious 
>>> road miles on my minty Indy Fab 
>>>  but now it's less about 
>>> speed, distance, and Strava logs. It’s all about comfort. If I can get in 
>>> four 15-20 mile loops each week I'm happy. Yep, just enough wind on my face 
>>> to achieve that optimum balance of mental and physical health. It's been 
>>> working like a charm thus far on my Surly Cross Check w/Soma Oxford bars. 
>>> But once my Indy Fab finds a new home (open to trading btw), I need another 
>>> bike right?
>>>
>>>
>>> *YOU:* Own a 61.5cm Homer or 61cm Roadini with Billie or Albatross 
>>> bars? You’ve been on the fence about whether you want to find a new home 
>>> for it. Perhaps it’s not seeing as much action as you had hoped? Maybe you 
>>> need to thin out your herd? Or could it be you’d like to try out a new 
>>> model, prep for move, or you’ve decided it’s just a tad too big or small to 
>>> achieve your "perfect fit"? Whatever the case, you’ve resisted listing your 
>>> Riv for sale because the process can be so __(fill in blank 
>>> with adverb ending in *“ing”*).  
>>>
>>>
>>> *MORE:* I'm 6-2 with a 93.5 PBH and a 80cm saddle height. I'm not much 
>>> of wrencher (outside of simple tweaks) so ideally I’d be looking for a 
>>> complete bike. I'm not afraid of a little beausage as long as there’s no 
>>> rust, and the bike is mechanically sound. I’m looking for something I can 
>>> ride now, not a Fall project. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Are we match? Is it meant to be? Send me a DM.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>> Brody in LA
>>>
>>>

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