Re: [RBW] Re: Do you ride with fenders?

[Roberta]

In the past two of my three bikes had fenders.  I don’t like riding in the 
rain but sometimes I get caught in it and I like that Bike and I both 
stayed fairly dry. My Homer was fenderless until I went on a lovely ride in 
the dryer season, but unfortunately needed to go through a big puddle of 
dirty water. 

A few years ago, I did about 30 miles on the dry and dusty GAP trail.  I 
started that ride with a maroon colored bike, but ended up with a white one 
at the end.

On Tuesday, August 27, 2024 at 4:21:31 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Just read Peter's note so I went out to re-measure the Kelpies. They are 
> 80 mm in chord and 90 mm in arc.
>
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 2:16 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> ...  the Kelpies were designed to cover 700c X 60s ... and to cover 584 X 
>> 75s which they would just cover though I never bothered with 650c wheels
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Summer 2024 Photos

[Ted Fay]

Ted,Great shot, and thanks for the story. It would be a blast to ride into Chicago with what I hope is a big group following Lael. Has anyone heard of any estimates as to when this finish might be? TedOn Aug 28, 2024, at 12:41 AM, Ted Durant  wrote:I brought Great Lakes Sam to the West Coast, because my daughter didn't have room in the car to bring West Coast Sam to Carmel, where we're having a week of family fun. Coincidentally, Lael Wilcox was scheduled to ride right by us today. The closure of Route 1 south of here, however, forced her to change her route. She spent last night in Marina, a bit north of here, and headed east from there, then south. So, I thought I'd ride up to Marina this morning and try to catch her and ride with her for a ways. I laid out a 190km route that would have me ride with her for about half of it. The ride up Monterey Bay this morning was quite foggy. This frame from a video doesn't really do it justice. Quite beautiful riding along the dunes.Somehow Lael got away from her hotel without me seeing her. By the time her dot moved, she was already a good 20+ minutes ahead of me. I spent 100km chasing her, getting within maybe 5 minutes, but she turned south where I needed to head back north to Carmel and I never saw her (or Rue, one of my all time favorite photographers). Dang, she is a fast rider! The ride went down the valley along the 101 and it got very hot. What with the heat and me riding a hot pace and not staying up with my fueling, I was really burnt at the turnaround point. Which really took its toll because the second half of the ride featured a big climb. I had to ride slowly and stop several times to manage the heat. I even walked one steep section (upwards of 8-10%, so not crazy steep, but it was hot and I was tired). As always, the effort is rewarded by views and, in this case, a 60kph descent through some wooded twisties. Much fun. This is the view back to the NE from near the top of the main climb. Great ride for a Sam Hillborne - didn't slow me down during the first half time-trial, and the cushy tires were fabulous on the bumpy roads through the hills.Labor Day next weekend ... the unofficial end of summer!Ted DurantMilwaukee WI USA (Reporting from Carmel CA USA)



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[RBW] Re: Ride Report

[Sarah Carlson]

Thank you for the ride report, it made me feel like I was there. I also 
have a teenager on a MTB team and likes to "shred," and lick sports gels 
and stick them to the top of the bike frame for races. I pointed out the 
amount of dirt on said gels and was told, "You've got to taste the trail 
mom!" That was how at 45 I went to my first women's MTB clinic. There is no 
write up because I promptly crashed into the bushes and collected a rainbow 
of bruises across my hips and thighs. These are not the rainbows Leah and I 
are into designing into our bikes.

Sacramento is not far and I am trying to decide if I want to run towards or 
away from one of these rides...

Sarah

On Tuesday, August 27, 2024 at 3:22:40 PM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:

> TW: Bridgestone content 
>
> We do “Sac From The Dead X Shred to Ed's”. A ride report inspired by 
> Leah’s Adventures in Wilding 
>
> Caveat, I did this ride on my 1992 Bridgestone XO-1. It does have 
> Rivendell Silver Shifters. I do own a Rivendell Atlantis and even thought 
> it's a 26er, I left it home. I normally would not put a ride report on what 
> is probably for many of you an event that was too disorganized, too 
> chaotic, and contained too few Rivs. Nonetheless, I was regaling my 
> RivSister Leah with tales of my imagined dirt-goofin' prowess, and she told 
> me to write it down. I enjoy ride reports and bike pics, it’s the main 
> reason I spend time on lists or forums. So here we are. 
>
> A couple of weeks ago I turned fifty. That came with complicated feelings 
> of...well...getting older. Because fifty is one of those age numbers that 
> feels bigly different to reach. But also, I felt happy because my kids are 
> also getting older and that's brought some really positive changes to our 
> household. Including both kids really embracing bike riding! 
>
> Let me start by saying that I know some of you here IRL, and you know me. 
> We live in the same town and maybe you were on this ride! If so, hi. If we 
> follow each other on social media than you already know that earlier this 
> week I made the assertion that if you are an adult with young kids who has 
> lately been thinking about how you'll never get to ride your bikes (or 
> certain of them) again, and you should sell them, you should belay that 
> thought! I spent what felt like *years* trying to get my kids into cycling 
> with me and many a bike got sold for "gathering dust", but last year my 
> older son discovered riding and now it's all he wants to do and talk about. 
> Wow, if he is a mirror of me, I am pretty annoying. But I digress, he has 
> found his legs and the courage to start working on bikes, and talking about 
> being an engineer, and going outside, and volunteering, and touching grass. 
> It's great! So, because he likes to ride and it's something we can do 
> together, we went on a community ride last night: The "Sac From The Dead 
> X Squid Shred to Ed's" (a collaboration of two rides). 
>
> The bikes: I rode my purple 1992 XO-1. It's set up with a Nitto Hi Hi Bar 
> and Panaracer Paselas in the 1.5 flavor. This is the second time I have 
> taken this bike (my "road bike") in the dirt. My son rode his Velo Orange 
> Piolet, AKA The Pig, which is monstrous and made even more so by the 
> addition of Tumbleweed Persuader handlebars. On previous rides I've brought 
> my Rivendell Atlantis and my (formerly) dirt dropped Hot Salad MTB. 
>
> "Sac From The Dead" is billed as the "26th of Every Month ATB Ride" and 
> the idea is supposed to be that you show up on your old 26" wheeled bike 
> and go wild. I've done a couple of these rides and they've varied from 
> comfortable cruising all over town, to what felt like riding into a 
> headwind along twenty miles of chunky railroad ballast. 
> "Shred to Ed's" is both a model of BMX bike built by Sacramento locals 
> Squid Bikes and the description of an activity which involved "spirited" 
> riding to the eponymous Ed's Market, a local corner store with proximity to 
> Sacramento's riverside cutty trails, training and proving grounds of these 
> cool kids of tracklo and cyclocross. Someday I'm gonna ride one of those 
> Squid Bikes...some day. 
>
> Yesterday, the combination of the two rides resulted in a lot of chaotic 
> choices disguised as opportunities to end up at the same place. Levies, 
> both up and down! Semi-active construction sites under the freeway! Deer 
> trails laden with both goat heads and broken glass! Surprise drops, whoops, 
> alley oops, plain old oops! Blinded by the sun, blinded by the dust, don't 
> lose that wheel in front of me because there ain't any sweeps today. But as 
> the ride leaders said when we all met up to get started, or something to 
> the extent of this, "Guys, it's a little gnarly and you might get 
> incapacitated but we'll meet for hot dogs, so it's fine". Okay, no one said 
> that, Leah summed up the ride I described with that and it was so funny and 
> accurate I just made it so. 
>
> You're wond

[RBW] Re: Ride Report

[J J]

Fantastic report, Liz. Inspiring. Thank you!!

Jim

On Wednesday, August 28, 2024 at 9:05:06 AM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Thank you for the ride report, it made me feel like I was there. I also 
> have a teenager on a MTB team and likes to "shred," and lick sports gels 
> and stick them to the top of the bike frame for races. I pointed out the 
> amount of dirt on said gels and was told, "You've got to taste the trail 
> mom!" That was how at 45 I went to my first women's MTB clinic. There is no 
> write up because I promptly crashed into the bushes and collected a rainbow 
> of bruises across my hips and thighs. These are not the rainbows Leah and I 
> are into designing into our bikes.
>
> Sacramento is not far and I am trying to decide if I want to run towards 
> or away from one of these rides...
>
> Sarah
>
> On Tuesday, August 27, 2024 at 3:22:40 PM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:
>
>> TW: Bridgestone content 
>>
>> We do “Sac From The Dead X Shred to Ed's”. A ride report inspired by 
>> Leah’s Adventures in Wilding 
>>
>> Caveat, I did this ride on my 1992 Bridgestone XO-1. It does have 
>> Rivendell Silver Shifters. I do own a Rivendell Atlantis and even thought 
>> it's a 26er, I left it home. I normally would not put a ride report on what 
>> is probably for many of you an event that was too disorganized, too 
>> chaotic, and contained too few Rivs. Nonetheless, I was regaling my 
>> RivSister Leah with tales of my imagined dirt-goofin' prowess, and she told 
>> me to write it down. I enjoy ride reports and bike pics, it’s the main 
>> reason I spend time on lists or forums. So here we are. 
>>
>> A couple of weeks ago I turned fifty. That came with complicated feelings 
>> of...well...getting older. Because fifty is one of those age numbers that 
>> feels bigly different to reach. But also, I felt happy because my kids are 
>> also getting older and that's brought some really positive changes to our 
>> household. Including both kids really embracing bike riding! 
>>
>> Let me start by saying that I know some of you here IRL, and you know me. 
>> We live in the same town and maybe you were on this ride! If so, hi. If we 
>> follow each other on social media than you already know that earlier this 
>> week I made the assertion that if you are an adult with young kids who has 
>> lately been thinking about how you'll never get to ride your bikes (or 
>> certain of them) again, and you should sell them, you should belay that 
>> thought! I spent what felt like *years* trying to get my kids into cycling 
>> with me and many a bike got sold for "gathering dust", but last year my 
>> older son discovered riding and now it's all he wants to do and talk about. 
>> Wow, if he is a mirror of me, I am pretty annoying. But I digress, he has 
>> found his legs and the courage to start working on bikes, and talking about 
>> being an engineer, and going outside, and volunteering, and touching grass. 
>> It's great! So, because he likes to ride and it's something we can do 
>> together, we went on a community ride last night: The "Sac From The Dead 
>> X Squid Shred to Ed's" (a collaboration of two rides). 
>>
>> The bikes: I rode my purple 1992 XO-1. It's set up with a Nitto Hi Hi Bar 
>> and Panaracer Paselas in the 1.5 flavor. This is the second time I have 
>> taken this bike (my "road bike") in the dirt. My son rode his Velo Orange 
>> Piolet, AKA The Pig, which is monstrous and made even more so by the 
>> addition of Tumbleweed Persuader handlebars. On previous rides I've brought 
>> my Rivendell Atlantis and my (formerly) dirt dropped Hot Salad MTB. 
>>
>> "Sac From The Dead" is billed as the "26th of Every Month ATB Ride" and 
>> the idea is supposed to be that you show up on your old 26" wheeled bike 
>> and go wild. I've done a couple of these rides and they've varied from 
>> comfortable cruising all over town, to what felt like riding into a 
>> headwind along twenty miles of chunky railroad ballast. 
>> "Shred to Ed's" is both a model of BMX bike built by Sacramento locals 
>> Squid Bikes and the description of an activity which involved "spirited" 
>> riding to the eponymous Ed's Market, a local corner store with proximity to 
>> Sacramento's riverside cutty trails, training and proving grounds of these 
>> cool kids of tracklo and cyclocross. Someday I'm gonna ride one of those 
>> Squid Bikes...some day. 
>>
>> Yesterday, the combination of the two rides resulted in a lot of chaotic 
>> choices disguised as opportunities to end up at the same place. Levies, 
>> both up and down! Semi-active construction sites under the freeway! Deer 
>> trails laden with both goat heads and broken glass! Surprise drops, whoops, 
>> alley oops, plain old oops! Blinded by the sun, blinded by the dust, don't 
>> lose that wheel in front of me because there ain't any sweeps today. But as 
>> the ride leaders said when we all met up to get started, or something to 
>> the extent of this, "Guys, it's a little gnarly

Re: [RBW] Re: A FSA Duron issue, or head tube reaming/facing needed..or both?

[Igor]

I've taken the frame to the shop so will see what they can do and report 
back.

My press is a https://wheelsmfg.com/headset-press-pro-install-kit.html 

On Tuesday, August 27, 2024 at 9:43:54 PM UTC-4 Will Boericke wrote:

> I had that Duron headset on a bike where I could not get the preload 
> dialed in correctly, ever.  I replaced it with a Tange Falcon, but wonder 
> if I had the same misalignment issue.  I also wondered if it was a 
> counterfeiit.  My install tool is also a threaded rod and washers.
>
> On Tuesday, August 27, 2024 at 7:01:31 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Lol. At least you used a block of wood. Long ago I installed a nice Logic 
>> headset in the same way, except I was lazy and didn't bother to find a 
>> block of wood. Last-gen-chromo Specialized Crossroads Cruz. I managed to 
>> chip a bit out of the skirt of one of the races but all still went in 
>> straight and true and I never had any problems with the headset.
>>
>> Now I use a threaded rod and really big fender washers.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 10:22 AM Mackenzy Albright  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ... Since then I've always just carefully filed the paint flat and 
>>> mashed away at the headset with a hammer and block of wood and a bunch of 
>>> grease trusting the machining is correct on the frame and headset. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Lael Wilcox

[Ted Durant]

Ted Fay asked when Lael Wilcox should be reaching Chicago. Short answer is 
16 more days of riding, including today, so pencil in September 12. 
Remarkably, that is exactly her target of 110 days.

Longer version - she is just short of mile 15485 of her planned route, and 
Chicago is around mile 18200, so she has a planned 2715 miles to go. She's 
averaging 170 miles per day, so that's exactly 16 more days. If she gets 
some tailwinds coming up from LA, it wouldn't surprise me if she lops a day 
off of that. She only needs to average 181 miles per day to make it in 15. 

Unbelievable. I was really cooked after riding 120 miles yesterday. I've 
done several 300km rides. I've done 200km every day for 6 straight days. 
The idea of doing 300km rides every day for 110 days just boggles my mind. 
Never mind the logistical challenges she has had to manage. And she does it 
all smiling the whole way. On her daily podcast, which she dutifully 
records every night after she's done riding, she (almost) always says "I 
had a great day". 

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report

[Ted Durant]

On Tuesday, August 27, 2024 at 3:22:40 PM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:

The bikes: I rode my purple 1992 XO-1. 


Awesome ride, fabulous report. Grant commuted from Walnut Creek to 
Bridgestone HQ on an XO-1. His commute involved a lot of trail riding over 
the mountains that separate Walnut Creek from the Bay, every day, rain or 
shine. The XO-1 was conceived and built for it. Sounds like you took full 
advantage of it!

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA 

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[RBW] RE: [650B] 650b on 26" frame - promax p-1 brakes

[Bernard Duhon]

I have a 26 inch Waterford built touring bike (similar to a Riv Atlantis before 
they went all in on the long chain stays)

650b will fit and the  XTR v brakes will work. Richard Schwinn mentioned that 
it would alter the steering and mildly recommended against it.  The bike was 
designed for a 26 X 1.6 inch tire.  I have a chart that shows the difference in 
will circumference is just a few millimeters. 640mm V 670mm.  However we know 
that just a few millimeters change of frame geometry is a big deal.

Other than availability of tires/fendors (can’t fit larger than actual 26 X 47 
mm tire)

what advantage do you see on either the handling/speed/bump roll over of the 
changeup from's 26 to 650 B

thank you,  ye of more experience than I.



Yours sincerely,


Bernard F. Duhon

From: 6...@googlegroups.com <6...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Will Boericke
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2024 7:44 PM
To: 650b <6...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [650B] 650b on 26" frame - promax p-1 brakes

I built a 650b on 26 Trek 850 frame with the Chinese 
version
 (maybe the same thing?).  They worked really well.  Granted, I sold the bike 
pretty quickly.

Will near Boston


On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 11:00:13 AM UTC-4 
rudy@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, I'm using on a 1990-ish (non-U-brake era) Diamond Back Ascent basket bike. 
I haven't shredded with it, but they stop my schlubby self and cargo with 
aplomb. I imagine that it will be even better when I get around to Kool Stops

RF
On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 6:59:56 AM UTC-5 josh.zi...@gmail.com wrote:

Yes I have used them for this purpose on '89 Trek 950.

Originally, had Tektro cantis (CR720s) which looked great but they worked only 
ok due to where I could get the pads to align on the rim.  Swapped in these 
Pro-Max v brakes (108mm, silver version) and the braking dramatically improved 
as they offered better range to get pads in better position, plus v brake 
leverage/power.

These are a great option.  Highly recommend.

Josh Z

On Mon, Aug 26, 2024, 4:40 AM chintan jadwani 
mailto:chintan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Has anyone tried the promax p-1 
v-brakes on a 26" to 
650b conversion?
They have about 35mm of vertical brake pad adjustment so probably they should 
work...

>From what I read, they are similar (cheaper and less premium) to the box three 
>v-brake.
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[RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Summer 2024 Photos

[John Bokman]

Ted, your GLSam looks splendid with the California backdrop!  But, do you 
think you could have caught Lael had you ridden West Coast Sam?


John
Portland, OR
On Tuesday, August 27, 2024 at 9:41:42 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> I brought Great Lakes Sam to the West Coast, because my daughter didn't 
> have room in the car to bring West Coast Sam to Carmel, where we're having 
> a week of family fun. Coincidentally, Lael Wilcox was scheduled to ride 
> right by us today. The closure of Route 1 south of here, however, forced 
> her to change her route. She spent last night in Marina, a bit north of 
> here, and headed east from there, then south. So, I thought I'd ride up to 
> Marina this morning and try to catch her and ride with her for a ways. I 
> laid out a 190km route that would have me ride with her for about half of 
> it. The ride up Monterey Bay this morning was quite foggy. This frame from 
> a video doesn't really do it justice. Quite beautiful riding along the 
> dunes.
>
> [image: Frame-27-08-2024-09-25-10.jpeg]
>
> Somehow Lael got away from her hotel without me seeing her. By the time 
> her dot moved, she was already a good 20+ minutes ahead of me. I spent 
> 100km chasing her, getting within maybe 5 minutes, but she turned south 
> where I needed to head back north to Carmel and I never saw her (or Rue, 
> one of my all time favorite photographers). Dang, she is a fast rider! The 
> ride went down the valley along the 101 and it got very hot. What with the 
> heat and me riding a hot pace and not staying up with my fueling, I was 
> really burnt at the turnaround point. Which really took its toll because 
> the second half of the ride featured a big climb. I had to ride slowly and 
> stop several times to manage the heat. I even walked one steep section 
> (upwards of 8-10%, so not crazy steep, but it was hot and I was tired). As 
> always, the effort is rewarded by views and, in this case, a 60kph descent 
> through some wooded twisties. Much fun. This is the view back to the NE 
> from near the top of the main climb. Great ride for a Sam Hillborne - 
> didn't slow me down during the first half time-trial, and the cushy tires 
> were fabulous on the bumpy roads through the hills.
>
> Labor Day next weekend ... the unofficial end of summer!
>
> [image: IMG_2253.jpeg]
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA (Reporting from Carmel CA USA)
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Summer 2024 Photos

[Ted Durant]

> On Aug 28, 2024, at 9:53 AM, John Bokman  wrote:
> 
> Ted, your GLSam looks splendid with the California backdrop!  But, do you 
> think you could have caught Lael had you ridden West Coast Sam?
> 


Hah, no, ‘fraid not. Maybe on my Riv Road, but then I’d have really suffered on 
the climb with its 39x26 “small” gear.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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[RBW] Re: [650B] 650b on 26" frame - promax p-1 brakes

[Will Boericke]

I am skeptical of the wheel-size-dramatcially-affects-geometry argument.  I
can only argue from analogy - my gravel bike wears 700x42 normally, but I
am equally happy on 650x48.  Crank strike is more of an issue, but I just
watch out for that and use crank boots.  BB is definitely lower, but I
honestly don't really notice.  I notice no difference in handling, other
than maybe slightly snappier steering.

Will

On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 11:04 AM Bernard Duhon 
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> 650b will fit and the  XTR v brakes will work. Richard Schwinn mentioned
> that it would alter the steering and mildly recommended against it.  The
> bike was designed for a 26 X 1.6 inch tire.  I have a chart that shows the
> difference in will circumference is just a few millimeters. 640mm V 670mm.
> However we know that just a few millimeters change of frame geometry is a
> big deal.
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> Other than availability of tires/fendors (can’t fit larger than actual 26
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>
>
> what advantage do you see on either the handling/speed/bump roll over of
> the changeup from's 26 to 650 B
>
>
>
> thank you,  ye of more experience than I.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
>
>
>
> Bernard F. Duhon
>
>
>
> *From:* 6...@googlegroups.com <6...@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Will
> Boericke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 27, 2024 7:44 PM
> *To:* 650b <6...@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [650B] 650b on 26" frame - promax p-1 brakes
>
>
>
> I built a 650b on 26 Trek 850 frame with the Chinese version
> 
> (maybe the same thing?).  They worked really well.  Granted, I sold the
> bike pretty quickly.
>
>
>
> Will near Boston
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 11:00:13 AM UTC-4 rudy@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Yes, I'm using on a 1990-ish (non-U-brake era) Diamond Back Ascent basket
> bike. I haven't shredded with it, but they stop my schlubby self and cargo
> with aplomb. I imagine that it will be even better when I get around to
> Kool Stops
>
>
>
> RF
>
> On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 6:59:56 AM UTC-5 josh.zi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Yes I have used them for this purpose on '89 Trek 950.
>
> Originally, had Tektro cantis (CR720s) which looked great but they worked
> only ok due to where I could get the pads to align on the rim.  Swapped in
> these Pro-Max v brakes (108mm, silver version) and the braking dramatically
> improved as they offered better range to get pads in better position, plus
> v brake leverage/power.
>
> These are a great option.  Highly recommend.
>
> Josh Z
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2024, 4:40 AM chintan jadwani 
> wrote:
>
> Has anyone tried the promax p-1 v-brakes
>  on a 26" to 650b
> conversion?
>
> They have about 35mm of vertical brake pad adjustment so probably they
> should work...
>
>
>
> From what I read, they are similar (cheaper and less premium) to the box
> three v-brake .
>
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[RBW] Marin Peninsula

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Is it possible to ride all the way up the east side of the Marin peninsula? I 
haven’t been out that way in quite a while. 

Thanks in advance. 

–Eric N

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ro-Deux-No build notes New Bike Day

[Igor]

I still am interested in purchasing one of these myself. PBH of 83. I do 
not like the aesthetics of the 51 frame nor would I want 650B. Seems like a 
54.5 would be more than fine..

On Tuesday, August 27, 2024 at 11:51:11 PM UTC-4 Jeff B wrote:

> Very nicely done Bill. Since reading Will's email a while back about 
> potentially making the bike a 5 speed, I was thinking I would take on that 
> task. Now I might not have to, ha.
> My thought was that I could get a narrower Q-factor and a small range of 
> useable gears. Almost like a classic randonneur bike. Although it is a 
> Rivendell so it would be a little heavier than a spry classic rando.
>
> Jeff, Woodland, Ca
>
> On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 5:31:59 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> An old derailleur has a lot of things going for it.  Just note that the 
>> drive side chainstay is totally unprotected.  That's why I wrapped it in 
>> Newbaums.  A purpose built tensioner tends to have a stronger spring, and a 
>> clutch RD would also have slap-preventing features.  It's a road bike, and 
>> that's why I've chosen a rear derailleur and good chainstay slap 
>> protection.  
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 3:31:54 PM UTC-7 Nick A. wrote:
>>
>>> In an attempt to bring this back to the original build talk-
>>>
>>> Mr. Lindsay, I'm loving your build and hope it serves you well. 
>>> Brilliant move on the seatpost mounted RD shifter. 
>>>
>>> In light of a few posts mentioning chain tensioners, I'd like to add to 
>>> the group saying "use an old derailleur". I used a Shimano RX-100.  To hold 
>>> it in place, I cut an old spoke down and it's been working great.
>>>
>>> Nick, falls church va
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 2:23:10 PM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:
>>>
 Exactly! The years long mystery has been solved

 On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 11:12:18 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> That's only the case if one deliberately misrepresents the size of 
> bicycles in the context of sloping top tubes.  Are you speculating that 
> Patrick Moore was teasingly threatening to broadcast to the world "Grant 
> insists that I ride a bike 6cm smaller than what I asked for!"?  If 
> Patrick 
> Moore did that, it would be a deliberate misrepresentation.  I guess if 
> somebody threatened Grant "I'm going to deliberately misrepresent your 
> bicycle designs to the public" then it would be perfectly natural for 
> Grant 
> to respond "Don't you dare".  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 7:56:06 AM UTC-7 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> A (ish) That while Grant was proselytizing that everyone has been 
>> undersized and should be on bigger sizes, for this guy who actually has 
>> embraced that big frame idea and small bit of seat post showing for a 
>> long 
>> time Grant is actually going to be DOWN sizing him to a 54.
>>
>>
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>> On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 10:42:50 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> What was it that Patrick Moore teasingly threatened to broadcast 
>>> that Grant did not want broadcast?
>>>
>>> A. That Grant would design a 54cm frame for an adult human that 
>>> thinks they need a 60cm frame?
>>> B. That Grant would allow "road" tubing to be used in an all-rounder 
>>> clone?
>>> C. That Grant would charge for a custom what was actually just an 
>>> All-Rounder and not a new design?
>>> D. Some other thing?
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 7:09:46 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 You've told that story a hundred times, and I still don't 
 comprehend what the "this" is that you were threatening to broadcast 
 but 
 that Grant did not want you to broadcast.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 1:50:28 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Lol. When I ordered my first road custom in late 1994 I asked 
> Grant to build me a road bike like my '92 XO-1 but "better." (He 
> said, "Oh, 
> it'll be better.")
>
> He used the AR as a basic template tho' with road tubing and lugs, 
> so it was 54 cm c-c (again, I'm 60 c-c for a level tt fistful road 
> bike). I 
> told him teasingly that I was going to broadcast this -- even then he 
> was 
> known for proselytizing about big frames -- and he said, "Don't you 
> dare."
>
> On Sun, Aug 25, 2024 at 6:57 AM Sarah Carlson <
> sarahlik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Their gentle suggestion... "Do not EVEN try to get Grant to do 
>> this." 
>>
>> On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 8:02:12 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Will asked for a curated photo-shoot this

Re: [RBW] Re: 17 years of longing, can you help? The search for a green B17

[S. Greco]

I love these Green B17s! Super cool that OP found a new one all these years 
later.

On Tuesday, August 27, 2024 at 7:15:30 AM UTC-7 Tom Goodmann wrote:

> Nice thread: quest expressed, and fulfilled! Peter White to the rescue!
>
> Tom
> Burlington, VT
>
> On Tuesday, August 27, 2024 at 10:07:27 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Love 2 See It
>>
>> On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 2:31:23 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote:
>>
>>> @ Phillip, Thanks for chiming in, I'd love to see you add a photo of 
>>> said combination. 
>>>
>>> I wasn't going to spill the beans yet but I actually have an 04 
>>> Quickbeam in transit and was planning the same thing, tho now I'm second 
>>> guessing that idea and might shift a black B17 standard over to that build 
>>> and adorn my Susie with the new unit.
>>>
>>> @Peter, Thanks again, order was placed today and I'm so incredibly 
>>> joyous. 
>>>
>>> @Sarah, Much appreciated! I'm over the moon and can't wait to received 
>>> my beloved new saddle. It's the little things, right?
>>>
>>> @Doug, Thank you, I'm glad that I kept the hope alive and everything 
>>> worked out. I'll post add an update upon it's arrival.
>>>
>>> Cheers all!
>>>
>>> jared
>>> SC, CA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 7:17:37 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 Me too Sarah! That is a fantastic looking saddle. Congrats on finding 
 this rare model.
 Doug

 On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 9:30:04 AM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Somehow it has made my morning to see someone else achieve their 
> saddle dreams! I'm happy for you Jared!
>
> On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 11:11:02 AM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote:
>
>> Peter, I'll take it!
>>
>>  Please hold for me, I'll be sending an email now.
>>
>> jared
>>
>> On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 7:46:56 AM UTC-7 peter...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We have one left in stock. B17 Champion Special Ti in green.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 24, 2024 at 9:57 PM Philip Williamson <
>>> philip.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 The BRG “Brooks Racing Green” saddle was one of the first things I 
 got for my 2004 Quickbeam. It’s been on there ever since, and it’s 
 pretty 
 great. It looks almost black now, after 20 years. 

 I didn’t know there were titanium railed versions either! 

 Good luck with the search,
 Philip
 SR, CA

 On Saturday, August 24, 2024 at 1:21:16 PM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote:

> With great apprehension I come to you all with yet another WTB 
> ask, but this one is so much more.
>
> Back when I was first getting into "real bicycles", it was the 
> "come up" of fixed gears and track bikes. Some of you know what I'm 
> talking 
> about, it was around 05-06 and videos started to emerge online with 
> names 
> like Mash SF and Macaframa, an NYC based blog called Prolly is not 
> Probably 
> was gaining traction, and in my small, agriculture based hometown 
> there 
> were about 3 of us who discovered these things around the same time.
>
> There was a small bike shop that resided inside an also small, 
> local sporting goods store and a childhood friend had recently taken 
> a job 
> there learning the ropes in hopes of becoming a skilled mechanic, as 
> well 
> as to receive a discount on parts to fulfill the goal of going from a 
> 27" 
> road bike with a JB Welded on track cog and bottom bracket lockring 
> to a 
> proper fixed gear set up.
>
> This friend helped me along the same pathway, trading up from a 
> clapped out Fuji Royale conversion, to the next and the next, 
> eventually 
> landing on some pretty neat bikes (for the time), with the "high" 
> being a 
> prototype Bianchi Super Pista. While I was wheeling and dealing (some 
> things never change, it appears) my friend stuck with this first and 
> only 
> proper fixed gear, a Surly Steamroller. Purchased complete, he 
> eventually 
> worked it over, a new Velocity Deep V wheelset, some wicked narrow 
> Nitto 
> NJS certified track drops, and the likes. 
>
> What really enamored me was this beautiful, and I mean gorgeous 
> Brooks B17 special. It was not just any B17 special, it was the newly 
> released "British Racing Green" color. That saddle was captivating to 
> me, 
> but at a scant 125lbs I never stood a chance of breaking one in, so I 
> stuck 
> with my Flites and Turbos. For years I watched that saddle age and 
> get more 
> and more beautiful, and the fire inside grew. The way the copper, 
> hand 
>>>

[RBW] RE: [650B] 650b on 26" frame - promax p-1 brakes

[Bernard Duhon]

For sure when I did a 700 C X 25mm to 650b 38/42 mm I noticed no difference



Yours sincerely,


Bernard F. Duhon
From: Will Boericke 
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2024 12:32 PM
To: Bernard Duhon 
Cc: 650b <6...@googlegroups.com>; rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [650B] 650b on 26" frame - promax p-1 brakes

I am skeptical of the wheel-size-dramatcially-affects-geometry argument.  I can 
only argue from analogy - my gravel bike wears 700x42 normally, but I am 
equally happy on 650x48.  Crank strike is more of an issue, but I just watch 
out for that and use crank boots.  BB is definitely lower, but I honestly don't 
really notice.  I notice no difference in handling, other than maybe slightly 
snappier steering.

Will

On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 11:04 AM Bernard Duhon 
mailto:bern...@bernardduhon.com>> wrote:

















I have a 26 inch Waterford built touring bike (similar to a Riv Atlantis before 
they went all in on the long chain stays)

650b will fit and the  XTR v brakes will work. Richard Schwinn mentioned that 
it would alter the steering and mildly recommended against it.  The bike was 
designed for a 26 X 1.6 inch tire.  I have a chart that shows the difference in 
will circumference is just a few millimeters. 640mm V 670mm.  However we know 
that just a few millimeters change of frame geometry is a big deal.

Other than availability of tires/fendors (can’t fit larger than actual 26 X 47 
mm tire)

what advantage do you see on either the handling/speed/bump roll over of the 
changeup from's 26 to 650 B

thank you,  ye of more experience than I.



Yours sincerely,


Bernard F. Duhon

From: 6...@googlegroups.com 
<6...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Will Boericke
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2024 7:44 PM
To: 650b <6...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [650B] 650b on 26" frame - promax p-1 brakes

I built a 650b on 26 Trek 850 frame with the Chinese 
version
 (maybe the same thing?).  They worked really well.  Granted, I sold the bike 
pretty quickly.

Will near Boston


On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 11:00:13 AM UTC-4 
rudy@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, I'm using on a 1990-ish (non-U-brake era) Diamond Back Ascent basket bike. 
I haven't shredded with it, but they stop my schlubby self and cargo with 
aplomb. I imagine that it will be even better when I get around to Kool Stops

RF
On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 6:59:56 AM UTC-5 
josh.zi...@gmail.com wrote:

Yes I have used them for this purpose on '89 Trek 950.

Originally, had Tektro cantis (CR720s) which looked great but they worked only 
ok due to where I could get the pads to align on the rim.  Swapped in these 
Pro-Max v brakes (108mm, silver version) and the braking dramatically improved 
as they offered better range to get pads in better position, plus v brake 
leverage/power.

These are a great option.  Highly recommend.

Josh Z

On Mon, Aug 26, 2024, 4:40 AM chintan jadwani 
mailto:chintan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Has anyone tried the promax p-1 
v-brakes on a 26" to 
650b conversion?
They have about 35mm of vertical brake pad adjustment so probably they should 
work...

>From what I read, they are similar (cheaper and less premium) to the box three 
>v-brake.
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Re: [RBW] Marin Peninsula

[John Dewey]

Eric, the paved road ends...may be able to follow the foot path on MTB. I
imagine that would be a reasonably long tough slog however.

Jock

On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 10:53 AM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Is it possible to ride all the way up the east side of the Marin
> peninsula? I haven’t been out that way in quite a while.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> –Eric N
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[RBW] Re: NBD: Sheldon's Ram!

[Jeremy Till]

That's so cool. Like you, Sheldon is largely responsible for giving me my 
start in bike tinkering, and giving me an appreciation for fixed gear 
conversions, Bridgestones/Rivendells, and hot-rodding older bikes. This was 
the first Rivendell I ever lusted after (when it was in its fixed gear 
iteration), and I'm now the happy owner of one myself. I like that is still 
has the 27"/630mm BSD wheels on it--I daresay it's the only Rambouillet (or 
Rivendell?) that's ever been converted to 27" wheels. 

I recently decided to go full-Sheldon and but a Biopace ring on my fixed 
gear. I like it. He might have been onto something there. 

Jeremy Till
Sacramento, CA
On Tuesday, August 27, 2024 at 7:13:38 AM UTC-7 Nick Shoemaker wrote:

> If ya know, ya know
>
> Sheldon was a huge influence in my early descent into bike obsession, and 
> I doubt I would be here today as a competent mechanic, former wheelbuilder, 
> fixie-converter, Riv-rider, etc, etc. without his incomparable 
> contributions to the bicycle community. Sheldon made the world a better 
> place, plain and simple!
>
> So imagine my delight when his beautiful orange Ram showed up on ebay a 
> couple of months ago and I somehow managed to win the auction! The bike is 
> currently an impeccable time capsule, with everything but the tires 
> matching the build description on his website. I intend to ride it, and 
> will no doubt tinker (Sheldon-style) to try out a few different iterations 
> for fun (fixie? 650b conversion? upright/swept-back?). Anyhow, enjoy a few 
> pictures to revel in the nostalgia:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Jn1fwQzemxZKRxt88
>
>
> PS: I'm sticking with the Bio-Pace...  :)
>

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[RBW] Re: NBD: Sheldon's Ram!

[Huston]

Nick,

An excellent score indeed.  The provenance is superb.  Plus the color, 
centerpull/sidepull brake combo, and excellent fender lines.  And that gear 
chart 

Huston
Lexington, KY

On Tuesday, August 27, 2024 at 10:13:38 AM UTC-4 Nick Shoemaker wrote:

> If ya know, ya know
>
> Sheldon was a huge influence in my early descent into bike obsession, and 
> I doubt I would be here today as a competent mechanic, former wheelbuilder, 
> fixie-converter, Riv-rider, etc, etc. without his incomparable 
> contributions to the bicycle community. Sheldon made the world a better 
> place, plain and simple!
>
> So imagine my delight when his beautiful orange Ram showed up on ebay a 
> couple of months ago and I somehow managed to win the auction! The bike is 
> currently an impeccable time capsule, with everything but the tires 
> matching the build description on his website. I intend to ride it, and 
> will no doubt tinker (Sheldon-style) to try out a few different iterations 
> for fun (fixie? 650b conversion? upright/swept-back?). Anyhow, enjoy a few 
> pictures to revel in the nostalgia:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Jn1fwQzemxZKRxt88
>
>
> PS: I'm sticking with the Bio-Pace...  :)
>

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Re: [RBW] NBD: Sheldon's Ram!

[Andrew Janjigian]

Amazing! Harris was one of my local bike shops (RIP), and when I first got into 
both fixed-gear and Rivendell bikes, I bugged Sheldon for advice many times. 
I’m so glad his web pages are still extant.

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> On Aug 28, 2024, at 4:02 PM, Huston  wrote:
> 
> Nick,
> 
> An excellent score indeed.  The provenance is superb.  Plus the color, 
> centerpull/sidepull brake combo, and excellent fender lines.  And that gear 
> chart 
> 
> Huston
> Lexington, KY
> 
> On Tuesday, August 27, 2024 at 10:13:38 AM UTC-4 Nick Shoemaker wrote:
>> If ya know, ya know
>> 
>> Sheldon was a huge influence in my early descent into bike obsession, and I 
>> doubt I would be here today as a competent mechanic, former wheelbuilder, 
>> fixie-converter, Riv-rider, etc, etc. without his incomparable contributions 
>> to the bicycle community. Sheldon made the world a better place, plain and 
>> simple!
>> 
>> So imagine my delight when his beautiful orange Ram showed up on ebay a 
>> couple of months ago and I somehow managed to win the auction! The bike is 
>> currently an impeccable time capsule, with everything but the tires matching 
>> the build description on his website. I intend to ride it, and will no doubt 
>> tinker (Sheldon-style) to try out a few different iterations for fun (fixie? 
>> 650b conversion? upright/swept-back?). Anyhow, enjoy a few pictures to revel 
>> in the nostalgia:
>> 
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Jn1fwQzemxZKRxt88
>> 
>> 
>> PS: I'm sticking with the Bio-Pace...  :)
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Chris Halasz]

60cm DTT Sam Hillborne $2350 

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/bik/d/santa-monica-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7779620615.html

On Tuesday, August 27, 2024 at 2:37:41 PM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:

> 47cm Rivendell Atlantis 2 - $2,500 (Leucadia, CA) 
>
>
> https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/bik/d/encinitas-rivendell-atlantis-47cm/7779210854.html
>
> On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 7:12:14 AM UTC-7 Brian Turner wrote:
>
>> The guy selling the Gus seems to be a really good dude. In fact, his Gus 
>> (the one in question) is the main inspiration for mine, which he helped me 
>> find as a NOS frameset from Golden Saddle before they closed.
>> It'll make a great bike for whoever ends up with it.
>>
>> Brian
>> Lex, KY
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus Boots a-go-go

[R. Alexis]

Patrick,

What non drop bars are you considering? The Alt-Bars that are out there 
seem to work well. At least for me. I have a set of early Jones titanium 
H-Bars with the J bend on my Waterford 1400 mountain bike and a set of 
Surly Open Bars on the Gary Fisher Gemini tandem mounted on the front. Both 
bars are comfortable. I have several bikes sporting Wilderness Trail Bikes 
Dirt Drops that I really like and my Schwinn Voyageur has a Nitto flared 
drop bar (014) on it. 

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis 

On Tuesday, August 27, 2024 at 5:40:06 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Nick: As a potential Clem buyer I'm curious to know whether your wheels 
> are 650c or 700c or 559 bsd, and (#2) how wide the 2.6" tires actually 
> measure on your rims ... *and* how wide those rims are, whether IW or OW.
>
> I think a great deal of buying a Clem; 2 things make me hesitate (well, 3 
> things: I'm still semi-supporting my daughter who is trying to get her 
> first real job, meanwhile planning all sorts of interesting, 
> non-income-generating programs): whether I can tolerate some sort of 
> non-drop bar well enough that it doesn't mar the otherwise wonderful 
> experience that others all say that riding the Clem is (this is both from 
> within and from without the RBW list), and second, whether I can get fat 
> enough tires into the frame to make the bike at least tolerably useful on 
> our sandy riverside trails.
>
> 2.6" = 66 mm which is more than wide enough if the 2.6" is real-world 
> width. I'd be happy with 60 real-world-mm tires and daydream of setting up 
> a low-budget all-rounder beater Clem with, say, 26" or 700c Big Apples. Do 
> your Mezcals measure a true >60 mm?
>
> Thanks.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus Boots a-go-go

[Ryan Frahm]

@Nick, thank you so much for the pictures! That looks like a blast to ride! 
I have a 59 Lime Olive frameset that was picked up by my mother in law 
today. She is local to the seller and I can get a way better shipping rate. 
Excited to build it up! I was looking at that exact tire but went for some 
Ultradynamico Mars’ to be safe on clearance. Even more excited to have it 
shipped to me now!

On Wednesday, August 28, 2024 at 2:04:33 PM UTC-7 R. Alexis wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> What non drop bars are you considering? The Alt-Bars that are out there 
> seem to work well. At least for me. I have a set of early Jones titanium 
> H-Bars with the J bend on my Waterford 1400 mountain bike and a set of 
> Surly Open Bars on the Gary Fisher Gemini tandem mounted on the front. Both 
> bars are comfortable. I have several bikes sporting Wilderness Trail Bikes 
> Dirt Drops that I really like and my Schwinn Voyageur has a Nitto flared 
> drop bar (014) on it. 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Reginald Alexis 
>
> On Tuesday, August 27, 2024 at 5:40:06 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Nick: As a potential Clem buyer I'm curious to know whether your wheels 
>> are 650c or 700c or 559 bsd, and (#2) how wide the 2.6" tires actually 
>> measure on your rims ... *and* how wide those rims are, whether IW or OW.
>>
>> I think a great deal of buying a Clem; 2 things make me hesitate (well, 3 
>> things: I'm still semi-supporting my daughter who is trying to get her 
>> first real job, meanwhile planning all sorts of interesting, 
>> non-income-generating programs): whether I can tolerate some sort of 
>> non-drop bar well enough that it doesn't mar the otherwise wonderful 
>> experience that others all say that riding the Clem is (this is both from 
>> within and from without the RBW list), and second, whether I can get fat 
>> enough tires into the frame to make the bike at least tolerably useful on 
>> our sandy riverside trails.
>>
>> 2.6" = 66 mm which is more than wide enough if the 2.6" is real-world 
>> width. I'd be happy with 60 real-world-mm tires and daydream of setting up 
>> a low-budget all-rounder beater Clem with, say, 26" or 700c Big Apples. Do 
>> your Mezcals measure a true >60 mm?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>

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[RBW] Moving sale - everything must go!

[Frank Burkybile]

Hi all! I am beginning to pack out for an international move and sadly 
clearing out some bike stuff.  I have pictures of almost everything here  
, the rest will get posted as 
soon as I pull it out of boxes. If you have specific items that you would 
like to see a closer picture of, just let me know. 

I am located in Richmond, VA and am happy to meet in person if you are 
nearby. Otherwise, buyer covers shipping unless we make alternate 
arrangements. I am also happy to discuss reasonable counteroffers and/or 
discounts if you are interested in multiple items. 

I will likely have some more stuff that may be added as I pack, so check 
back!

Thanks for looking and let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks!
Frank

---

Handlebars (all silver unless noted):

   - Nitto Billy Bar, 580x25.4 never mounted, still in plastic - $120 
   - Riv Tosco bar, 650x31.8, new take off, lightly used, still has some 
   cloth tape wrapped - $80
   - Crust Uncle Ron's Ortho Bar - I have 2-  One still in plastic, one was 
   mounted and ridden for a few miles (no marks, scratches, etc.) - $120 each
   - Ahearn+Map bar - 610 x 25.4
   - Velo Orange Crazy Bar (new version) - I have 2, one silver and one 
   black. Black is in photo, silver is still mounted and is soon to be removed 
   - $100 each
   - Nitto Grand Rando drop bars, includes brake levers - 42cm - $40
   - Salsa Bell Lap (black) - $30

Stems

   - Nitto Technomic/Tallux 
  - 90x25.4 - used, has wear marks - $50
  - 120x26 - $70
  - 130x25.4 - $70
  - 130x26 -$70
   - Quill adapter + VO treadless 90x31.8 - $50

Wheelsets

   - 26" Sun Single Rhyno lite w/Shimano disk hubs - never used - $100
   - 700c HED Kermesse HED hubs (Campagnolo)  -  $300
   - 29er Rhyno lite XL w/Deore XT hubs - never used - $150

Pedals 

   - MKS touring - used - $30
   - MKS Bear Trap - new take off - $40
   - MKS  Urban platform w/half clips - used - $30

Saddles

   - Velo Orange (like Brooks 67) - used - $50
   - Velo Orange (like Brooks B15) - lightly used - $70
   - WTB Silverado Thinline w/titanium rails - $70
   - Selle San Marco - Black - light wear, can include post in the picture 
   if you want)  - $70

Racks

   - Nitto F25 - essentially new, used for one ride - $200
   - Pletscher (silver) - used - $15
   - Pletscher (black) - new - $25
   - Nitto F18 handlebar rack/bag mount w/handlebar bag (olive) - $120
   - Rivendell PlatRack and Slickersack - works with Mark's rack or mini 
   front - awesome bag and rack combo that hasn't been available through 
   Rivendell for a good while, purchased from a fellow RBW Owners Bunch member 
- $150 

Group set

   - Campagnolo Chorus 11 - lightly used - $600

Brake levers 

   - Tektro - mountain - 2 pair, one silver, one black and silver - $20/pair

Other items:

   - Surly Cross Check front fork (Canti mount) - NOS - $60
   - Burley Tail Wagon - pet trailer - very good shape - $200 

Fenders, parts, tools + more to come!

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Re: [RBW] Moving sale - everything must go!

[Jacob Yosowitz]

Hey Frank! I’m interested in those grand Rando bars!

*Jacob*


On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 8:11 PM Frank Burkybile 
wrote:

> Hi all! I am beginning to pack out for an international move and sadly
> clearing out some bike stuff.  I have pictures of almost everything here
> , the rest will get posted
> as soon as I pull it out of boxes. If you have specific items that you
> would like to see a closer picture of, just let me know.
>
> I am located in Richmond, VA and am happy to meet in person if you are
> nearby. Otherwise, buyer covers shipping unless we make alternate
> arrangements. I am also happy to discuss reasonable counteroffers and/or
> discounts if you are interested in multiple items.
>
> I will likely have some more stuff that may be added as I pack, so check
> back!
>
> Thanks for looking and let me know if you have any questions.
>
> Thanks!
> Frank
>
> ---
>
> Handlebars (all silver unless noted):
>
>- Nitto Billy Bar, 580x25.4 never mounted, still in plastic - $120
>- Riv Tosco bar, 650x31.8, new take off, lightly used, still has some
>cloth tape wrapped - $80
>- Crust Uncle Ron's Ortho Bar - I have 2-  One still in plastic, one
>was mounted and ridden for a few miles (no marks, scratches, etc.) - $120
>each
>- Ahearn+Map bar - 610 x 25.4
>- Velo Orange Crazy Bar (new version) - I have 2, one silver and one
>black. Black is in photo, silver is still mounted and is soon to be removed
>- $100 each
>- Nitto Grand Rando drop bars, includes brake levers - 42cm - $40
>- Salsa Bell Lap (black) - $30
>
> Stems
>
>- Nitto Technomic/Tallux
>   - 90x25.4 - used, has wear marks - $50
>   - 120x26 - $70
>   - 130x25.4 - $70
>   - 130x26 -$70
>- Quill adapter + VO treadless 90x31.8 - $50
>
> Wheelsets
>
>- 26" Sun Single Rhyno lite w/Shimano disk hubs - never used - $100
>- 700c HED Kermesse HED hubs (Campagnolo)  -  $300
>- 29er Rhyno lite XL w/Deore XT hubs - never used - $150
>
> Pedals
>
>- MKS touring - used - $30
>- MKS Bear Trap - new take off - $40
>- MKS  Urban platform w/half clips - used - $30
>
> Saddles
>
>- Velo Orange (like Brooks 67) - used - $50
>- Velo Orange (like Brooks B15) - lightly used - $70
>- WTB Silverado Thinline w/titanium rails - $70
>- Selle San Marco - Black - light wear, can include post in the
>picture if you want)  - $70
>
> Racks
>
>- Nitto F25 - essentially new, used for one ride - $200
>- Pletscher (silver) - used - $15
>- Pletscher (black) - new - $25
>- Nitto F18 handlebar rack/bag mount w/handlebar bag (olive) - $120
>- Rivendell PlatRack and Slickersack - works with Mark's rack or mini
>front - awesome bag and rack combo that hasn't been available through
>Rivendell for a good while, purchased from a fellow RBW Owners Bunch member
> - $150
>
> Group set
>
>- Campagnolo Chorus 11 - lightly used - $600
>
> Brake levers
>
>- Tektro - mountain - 2 pair, one silver, one black and silver -
>$20/pair
>
> Other items:
>
>- Surly Cross Check front fork (Canti mount) - NOS - $60
>- Burley Tail Wagon - pet trailer - very good shape - $200
>
> Fenders, parts, tools + more to come!
>
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Re: [RBW] Moving sale - everything must go!

[Frank Burkybile]

They’re yours if you want them. I am out and about tonight but if you call
dibs tonight, we can sort out the details tomorrow.

On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 8:35 PM Jacob Yosowitz  wrote:

> Hey Frank! I’m interested in those grand Rando bars!
>
> *Jacob*
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 8:11 PM Frank Burkybile 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all! I am beginning to pack out for an international move and sadly
>> clearing out some bike stuff.  I have pictures of almost everything here
>> , the rest will get posted
>> as soon as I pull it out of boxes. If you have specific items that you
>> would like to see a closer picture of, just let me know.
>>
>> I am located in Richmond, VA and am happy to meet in person if you are
>> nearby. Otherwise, buyer covers shipping unless we make alternate
>> arrangements. I am also happy to discuss reasonable counteroffers and/or
>> discounts if you are interested in multiple items.
>>
>> I will likely have some more stuff that may be added as I pack, so check
>> back!
>>
>> Thanks for looking and let me know if you have any questions.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Frank
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Handlebars (all silver unless noted):
>>
>>- Nitto Billy Bar, 580x25.4 never mounted, still in plastic - $120
>>- Riv Tosco bar, 650x31.8, new take off, lightly used, still has some
>>cloth tape wrapped - $80
>>- Crust Uncle Ron's Ortho Bar - I have 2-  One still in plastic, one
>>was mounted and ridden for a few miles (no marks, scratches, etc.) - $120
>>each
>>- Ahearn+Map bar - 610 x 25.4
>>- Velo Orange Crazy Bar (new version) - I have 2, one silver and one
>>black. Black is in photo, silver is still mounted and is soon to be 
>> removed
>>- $100 each
>>- Nitto Grand Rando drop bars, includes brake levers - 42cm - $40
>>- Salsa Bell Lap (black) - $30
>>
>> Stems
>>
>>- Nitto Technomic/Tallux
>>   - 90x25.4 - used, has wear marks - $50
>>   - 120x26 - $70
>>   - 130x25.4 - $70
>>   - 130x26 -$70
>>- Quill adapter + VO treadless 90x31.8 - $50
>>
>> Wheelsets
>>
>>- 26" Sun Single Rhyno lite w/Shimano disk hubs - never used - $100
>>- 700c HED Kermesse HED hubs (Campagnolo)  -  $300
>>- 29er Rhyno lite XL w/Deore XT hubs - never used - $150
>>
>> Pedals
>>
>>- MKS touring - used - $30
>>- MKS Bear Trap - new take off - $40
>>- MKS  Urban platform w/half clips - used - $30
>>
>> Saddles
>>
>>- Velo Orange (like Brooks 67) - used - $50
>>- Velo Orange (like Brooks B15) - lightly used - $70
>>- WTB Silverado Thinline w/titanium rails - $70
>>- Selle San Marco - Black - light wear, can include post in the
>>picture if you want)  - $70
>>
>> Racks
>>
>>- Nitto F25 - essentially new, used for one ride - $200
>>- Pletscher (silver) - used - $15
>>- Pletscher (black) - new - $25
>>- Nitto F18 handlebar rack/bag mount w/handlebar bag (olive) - $120
>>- Rivendell PlatRack and Slickersack - works with Mark's rack or mini
>>front - awesome bag and rack combo that hasn't been available through
>>Rivendell for a good while, purchased from a fellow RBW Owners Bunch 
>> member
>> - $150
>>
>> Group set
>>
>>- Campagnolo Chorus 11 - lightly used - $600
>>
>> Brake levers
>>
>>- Tektro - mountain - 2 pair, one silver, one black and silver -
>>$20/pair
>>
>> Other items:
>>
>>- Surly Cross Check front fork (Canti mount) - NOS - $60
>>- Burley Tail Wagon - pet trailer - very good shape - $200
>>
>> Fenders, parts, tools + more to come!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Moving sale - everything must go!

[Old And In The Weeds]

Interested in the crosscheck fork if NOS means the steerer hasn't been cut!

Thank you,

Nick

On Wednesday, August 28, 2024, Frank Burkybile 
wrote:

> Hi all! I am beginning to pack out for an international move and sadly
> clearing out some bike stuff.  I have pictures of almost everything here
> , the rest will get posted
> as soon as I pull it out of boxes. If you have specific items that you
> would like to see a closer picture of, just let me know.
>
> I am located in Richmond, VA and am happy to meet in person if you are
> nearby. Otherwise, buyer covers shipping unless we make alternate
> arrangements. I am also happy to discuss reasonable counteroffers and/or
> discounts if you are interested in multiple items.
>
> I will likely have some more stuff that may be added as I pack, so check
> back!
>
> Thanks for looking and let me know if you have any questions.
>
> Thanks!
> Frank
>
> ---
>
> Handlebars (all silver unless noted):
>
>- Nitto Billy Bar, 580x25.4 never mounted, still in plastic - $120
>- Riv Tosco bar, 650x31.8, new take off, lightly used, still has some
>cloth tape wrapped - $80
>- Crust Uncle Ron's Ortho Bar - I have 2-  One still in plastic, one
>was mounted and ridden for a few miles (no marks, scratches, etc.) - $120
>each
>- Ahearn+Map bar - 610 x 25.4
>- Velo Orange Crazy Bar (new version) - I have 2, one silver and one
>black. Black is in photo, silver is still mounted and is soon to be removed
>- $100 each
>- Nitto Grand Rando drop bars, includes brake levers - 42cm - $40
>- Salsa Bell Lap (black) - $30
>
> Stems
>
>- Nitto Technomic/Tallux
>   - 90x25.4 - used, has wear marks - $50
>   - 120x26 - $70
>   - 130x25.4 - $70
>   - 130x26 -$70
>- Quill adapter + VO treadless 90x31.8 - $50
>
> Wheelsets
>
>- 26" Sun Single Rhyno lite w/Shimano disk hubs - never used - $100
>- 700c HED Kermesse HED hubs (Campagnolo)  -  $300
>- 29er Rhyno lite XL w/Deore XT hubs - never used - $150
>
> Pedals
>
>- MKS touring - used - $30
>- MKS Bear Trap - new take off - $40
>- MKS  Urban platform w/half clips - used - $30
>
> Saddles
>
>- Velo Orange (like Brooks 67) - used - $50
>- Velo Orange (like Brooks B15) - lightly used - $70
>- WTB Silverado Thinline w/titanium rails - $70
>- Selle San Marco - Black - light wear, can include post in the
>picture if you want)  - $70
>
> Racks
>
>- Nitto F25 - essentially new, used for one ride - $200
>- Pletscher (silver) - used - $15
>- Pletscher (black) - new - $25
>- Nitto F18 handlebar rack/bag mount w/handlebar bag (olive) - $120
>- Rivendell PlatRack and Slickersack - works with Mark's rack or mini
>front - awesome bag and rack combo that hasn't been available through
>Rivendell for a good while, purchased from a fellow RBW Owners Bunch member
> - $150
>
> Group set
>
>- Campagnolo Chorus 11 - lightly used - $600
>
> Brake levers
>
>- Tektro - mountain - 2 pair, one silver, one black and silver -
>$20/pair
>
> Other items:
>
>- Surly Cross Check front fork (Canti mount) - NOS - $60
>- Burley Tail Wagon - pet trailer - very good shape - $200
>
> Fenders, parts, tools + more to come!
>
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Re: [RBW] Moving sale - everything must go!

[jaredwilson]

Message sent on MAP handlebars :)

jared

On Wednesday, August 28, 2024 at 6:33:21 PM UTC-7 oldandin...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Interested in the crosscheck fork if NOS means the steerer hasn't been 
> cut! 
>
> Thank you,
>
> Nick
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 28, 2024, Frank Burkybile  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all! I am beginning to pack out for an international move and sadly 
>> clearing out some bike stuff.  I have pictures of almost everything here  
>> , the rest will get posted 
>> as soon as I pull it out of boxes. If you have specific items that you 
>> would like to see a closer picture of, just let me know. 
>>
>> I am located in Richmond, VA and am happy to meet in person if you are 
>> nearby. Otherwise, buyer covers shipping unless we make alternate 
>> arrangements. I am also happy to discuss reasonable counteroffers and/or 
>> discounts if you are interested in multiple items. 
>>
>> I will likely have some more stuff that may be added as I pack, so check 
>> back!
>>
>> Thanks for looking and let me know if you have any questions.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Frank
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Handlebars (all silver unless noted):
>>
>>- Nitto Billy Bar, 580x25.4 never mounted, still in plastic - $120 
>>- Riv Tosco bar, 650x31.8, new take off, lightly used, still has some 
>>cloth tape wrapped - $80
>>- Crust Uncle Ron's Ortho Bar - I have 2-  One still in plastic, one 
>>was mounted and ridden for a few miles (no marks, scratches, etc.) - $120 
>>each
>>- Ahearn+Map bar - 610 x 25.4
>>- Velo Orange Crazy Bar (new version) - I have 2, one silver and one 
>>black. Black is in photo, silver is still mounted and is soon to be 
>> removed 
>>- $100 each
>>- Nitto Grand Rando drop bars, includes brake levers - 42cm - $40
>>- Salsa Bell Lap (black) - $30
>>
>> Stems
>>
>>- Nitto Technomic/Tallux 
>>   - 90x25.4 - used, has wear marks - $50
>>   - 120x26 - $70
>>   - 130x25.4 - $70
>>   - 130x26 -$70
>>- Quill adapter + VO treadless 90x31.8 - $50
>>
>> Wheelsets
>>
>>- 26" Sun Single Rhyno lite w/Shimano disk hubs - never used - $100
>>- 700c HED Kermesse HED hubs (Campagnolo)  -  $300
>>- 29er Rhyno lite XL w/Deore XT hubs - never used - $150
>>
>> Pedals 
>>
>>- MKS touring - used - $30
>>- MKS Bear Trap - new take off - $40
>>- MKS  Urban platform w/half clips - used - $30
>>
>> Saddles
>>
>>- Velo Orange (like Brooks 67) - used - $50
>>- Velo Orange (like Brooks B15) - lightly used - $70
>>- WTB Silverado Thinline w/titanium rails - $70
>>- Selle San Marco - Black - light wear, can include post in the 
>>picture if you want)  - $70
>>
>> Racks
>>
>>- Nitto F25 - essentially new, used for one ride - $200
>>- Pletscher (silver) - used - $15
>>- Pletscher (black) - new - $25
>>- Nitto F18 handlebar rack/bag mount w/handlebar bag (olive) - $120
>>- Rivendell PlatRack and Slickersack - works with Mark's rack or mini 
>>front - awesome bag and rack combo that hasn't been available through 
>>Rivendell for a good while, purchased from a fellow RBW Owners Bunch 
>> member 
>> - $150 
>>
>> Group set
>>
>>- Campagnolo Chorus 11 - lightly used - $600
>>
>> Brake levers 
>>
>>- Tektro - mountain - 2 pair, one silver, one black and silver - 
>>$20/pair
>>
>> Other items:
>>
>>- Surly Cross Check front fork (Canti mount) - NOS - $60
>>- Burley Tail Wagon - pet trailer - very good shape - $200 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Moving sale - everything must go!

[Frank Burkybile]

Yep, I bought it, used it, and then ended up selling the bike so it’s been
sitting in my garage. I can you a picture tomorrow if you want.

On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 9:33 PM Old And In The Weeds <
oldandinthewe...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Interested in the crosscheck fork if NOS means the steerer hasn't been
> cut!
>
> Thank you,
>
> Nick
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 28, 2024, Frank Burkybile 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all! I am beginning to pack out for an international move and sadly
>> clearing out some bike stuff.  I have pictures of almost everything here
>> , the rest will get posted
>> as soon as I pull it out of boxes. If you have specific items that you
>> would like to see a closer picture of, just let me know.
>>
>> I am located in Richmond, VA and am happy to meet in person if you are
>> nearby. Otherwise, buyer covers shipping unless we make alternate
>> arrangements. I am also happy to discuss reasonable counteroffers and/or
>> discounts if you are interested in multiple items.
>>
>> I will likely have some more stuff that may be added as I pack, so check
>> back!
>>
>> Thanks for looking and let me know if you have any questions.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Frank
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Handlebars (all silver unless noted):
>>
>>- Nitto Billy Bar, 580x25.4 never mounted, still in plastic - $120
>>- Riv Tosco bar, 650x31.8, new take off, lightly used, still has some
>>cloth tape wrapped - $80
>>- Crust Uncle Ron's Ortho Bar - I have 2-  One still in plastic, one
>>was mounted and ridden for a few miles (no marks, scratches, etc.) - $120
>>each
>>- Ahearn+Map bar - 610 x 25.4
>>- Velo Orange Crazy Bar (new version) - I have 2, one silver and one
>>black. Black is in photo, silver is still mounted and is soon to be 
>> removed
>>- $100 each
>>- Nitto Grand Rando drop bars, includes brake levers - 42cm - $40
>>- Salsa Bell Lap (black) - $30
>>
>> Stems
>>
>>- Nitto Technomic/Tallux
>>   - 90x25.4 - used, has wear marks - $50
>>   - 120x26 - $70
>>   - 130x25.4 - $70
>>   - 130x26 -$70
>>- Quill adapter + VO treadless 90x31.8 - $50
>>
>> Wheelsets
>>
>>- 26" Sun Single Rhyno lite w/Shimano disk hubs - never used - $100
>>- 700c HED Kermesse HED hubs (Campagnolo)  -  $300
>>- 29er Rhyno lite XL w/Deore XT hubs - never used - $150
>>
>> Pedals
>>
>>- MKS touring - used - $30
>>- MKS Bear Trap - new take off - $40
>>- MKS  Urban platform w/half clips - used - $30
>>
>> Saddles
>>
>>- Velo Orange (like Brooks 67) - used - $50
>>- Velo Orange (like Brooks B15) - lightly used - $70
>>- WTB Silverado Thinline w/titanium rails - $70
>>- Selle San Marco - Black - light wear, can include post in the
>>picture if you want)  - $70
>>
>> Racks
>>
>>- Nitto F25 - essentially new, used for one ride - $200
>>- Pletscher (silver) - used - $15
>>- Pletscher (black) - new - $25
>>- Nitto F18 handlebar rack/bag mount w/handlebar bag (olive) - $120
>>- Rivendell PlatRack and Slickersack - works with Mark's rack or mini
>>front - awesome bag and rack combo that hasn't been available through
>>Rivendell for a good while, purchased from a fellow RBW Owners Bunch 
>> member
>> - $150
>>
>> Group set
>>
>>- Campagnolo Chorus 11 - lightly used - $600
>>
>> Brake levers
>>
>>- Tektro - mountain - 2 pair, one silver, one black and silver -
>>$20/pair
>>
>> Other items:
>>
>>- Surly Cross Check front fork (Canti mount) - NOS - $60
>>- Burley Tail Wagon - pet trailer - very good shape - $200
>>
>> Fenders, parts, tools + more to come!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Moving sale - everything must go!

[Danny]

PM sent.

On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 8:41 PM Frank Burkybile 
wrote:

> Yep, I bought it, used it, and then ended up selling the bike so it’s been
> sitting in my garage. I can you a picture tomorrow if you want.
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 9:33 PM Old And In The Weeds <
> oldandinthewe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Interested in the crosscheck fork if NOS means the steerer hasn't been
>> cut!
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 28, 2024, Frank Burkybile 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all! I am beginning to pack out for an international move and sadly
>>> clearing out some bike stuff.  I have pictures of almost everything
>>> here  , the rest will get
>>> posted as soon as I pull it out of boxes. If you have specific items that
>>> you would like to see a closer picture of, just let me know.
>>>
>>> I am located in Richmond, VA and am happy to meet in person if you are
>>> nearby. Otherwise, buyer covers shipping unless we make alternate
>>> arrangements. I am also happy to discuss reasonable counteroffers and/or
>>> discounts if you are interested in multiple items.
>>>
>>> I will likely have some more stuff that may be added as I pack, so check
>>> back!
>>>
>>> Thanks for looking and let me know if you have any questions.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Frank
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Handlebars (all silver unless noted):
>>>
>>>- Nitto Billy Bar, 580x25.4 never mounted, still in plastic - $120
>>>- Riv Tosco bar, 650x31.8, new take off, lightly used, still has
>>>some cloth tape wrapped - $80
>>>- Crust Uncle Ron's Ortho Bar - I have 2-  One still in plastic, one
>>>was mounted and ridden for a few miles (no marks, scratches, etc.) - $120
>>>each
>>>- Ahearn+Map bar - 610 x 25.4
>>>- Velo Orange Crazy Bar (new version) - I have 2, one silver and one
>>>black. Black is in photo, silver is still mounted and is soon to be 
>>> removed
>>>- $100 each
>>>- Nitto Grand Rando drop bars, includes brake levers - 42cm - $40
>>>- Salsa Bell Lap (black) - $30
>>>
>>> Stems
>>>
>>>- Nitto Technomic/Tallux
>>>   - 90x25.4 - used, has wear marks - $50
>>>   - 120x26 - $70
>>>   - 130x25.4 - $70
>>>   - 130x26 -$70
>>>- Quill adapter + VO treadless 90x31.8 - $50
>>>
>>> Wheelsets
>>>
>>>- 26" Sun Single Rhyno lite w/Shimano disk hubs - never used - $100
>>>- 700c HED Kermesse HED hubs (Campagnolo)  -  $300
>>>- 29er Rhyno lite XL w/Deore XT hubs - never used - $150
>>>
>>> Pedals
>>>
>>>- MKS touring - used - $30
>>>- MKS Bear Trap - new take off - $40
>>>- MKS  Urban platform w/half clips - used - $30
>>>
>>> Saddles
>>>
>>>- Velo Orange (like Brooks 67) - used - $50
>>>- Velo Orange (like Brooks B15) - lightly used - $70
>>>- WTB Silverado Thinline w/titanium rails - $70
>>>- Selle San Marco - Black - light wear, can include post in the
>>>picture if you want)  - $70
>>>
>>> Racks
>>>
>>>- Nitto F25 - essentially new, used for one ride - $200
>>>- Pletscher (silver) - used - $15
>>>- Pletscher (black) - new - $25
>>>- Nitto F18 handlebar rack/bag mount w/handlebar bag (olive) - $120
>>>- Rivendell PlatRack and Slickersack - works with Mark's rack or
>>>mini front - awesome bag and rack combo that hasn't been available 
>>> through
>>>Rivendell for a good while, purchased from a fellow RBW Owners Bunch 
>>> member
>>> - $150
>>>
>>> Group set
>>>
>>>- Campagnolo Chorus 11 - lightly used - $600
>>>
>>> Brake levers
>>>
>>>- Tektro - mountain - 2 pair, one silver, one black and silver -
>>>$20/pair
>>>
>>> Other items:
>>>
>>>- Surly Cross Check front fork (Canti mount) - NOS - $60
>>>- Burley Tail Wagon - pet trailer - very good shape - $200
>>>
>>> Fenders, parts, tools + more to come!
>>>
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[RBW] Re: [650B] 650b on 26" frame - promax p-1 brakes

[iamkeith]

If you want my opinion, I can't imagine why in the world you'd want to do 
this.  I have 26" bikes, 650b bikes and 700c bikes, but I rarely ride 
anything but the 26" bikes.  They are just better in every possible way...  
except perhaps aesthetics... to some people, but not me.   (I'm speaking of 
road bikes, not mountain bikes, where the bigger wheels actually do have an 
advantage.)  I agree that it won't materially affect your handling.  In 
most cases, what it will do is simply limit the size of the tire you can 
fit, so that you basically have the same overall diameter wheel but have to 
deal with harsher-riding, more-inflated tires as a result.  And your 
braking power will be reduced, because you have less leverage at the brake 
arm.  (At least for cantis.)If by some chance you CAN fit a taller 
overall wheel, you'll have a higher bottom bracket and higher center of 
gravity and reduced stand-over clearance - all of which are negatives to my 
way of thinking - but especially on a loaded touring bike.  You have fewer 
tire choices in 650b than 26".  If you have 135mm rear end spacing and QR 
dropouts, high-end 26" wheels are relatively easy to find on the second 
hand market (or in bike coops/shops, if you're on tour) because they 
dominated the mountain bike market for so long.  Finding good, im-brake 
650b rims/wheels is already a challenge.

On Wednesday, August 28, 2024 at 12:17:26 PM UTC-6 ber...@bernardduhon.com 
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> *From:* Will Boericke  
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2024 12:32 PM
> *To:* Bernard Duhon 
> *Cc:* 650b <65...@googlegroups.com>; rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [650B] 650b on 26" frame - promax p-1 brakes
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> I can only argue from analogy - my gravel bike wears 700x42 normally, but I 
> am equally happy on 650x48.  Crank strike is more of an issue, but I just 
> watch out for that and use crank boots.  BB is definitely lower, but I 
> honestly don't really notice.  I notice no difference in handling, other 
> than maybe slightly snappier steering.
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> that it would alter the steering and mildly recommended against it.  The 
> bike was designed for a 26 X 1.6 inch tire.  I have a chart that shows the 
> difference in will circumference is just a few millimeters. 640mm V 670mm.  
> However we know that just a few millimeters change of frame geometry is a 
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 27, 2024 7:44 PM
> *To:* 650b <65...@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [650B] 650b on 26" frame - promax p-1 brakes
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> On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 11:00:13 AM UTC-4 rudy@gmail.com wrote:
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> Yes, I'm using on a 1990-ish (non-U-brake era) Diamond Back Ascent basket 
> bike. I haven't shredded with it, but they stop my schlubby self and cargo 
> with aplomb. I imagine that it will be even better when I get around to 
> Kool Stops
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> On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 6:59:56 AM UTC-5 josh.zi...@gmail.com wrote:
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> Originally, had Tektro cantis (CR720s) which looked great but they worked 
> only ok due to where I could get the pads to align on the rim.  Swapped in 
> these Pro-Max v brakes (108mm, silver version) and the braking dramatically 
> improved as they offered better range to get pads in better position, plus 
> v brake leverage/power.
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> On Mon, Aug 26, 2024, 4:40 AM chintan jadwani  
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Re: [RBW] Moving sale - everything must go!

[Old And In The Weeds]

Sounds good!

On Wednesday, August 28, 2024, Frank Burkybile 
wrote:

> Yep, I bought it, used it, and then ended up selling the bike so it’s been
> sitting in my garage. I can you a picture tomorrow if you want.
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 9:33 PM Old And In The Weeds <
> oldandinthewe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Interested in the crosscheck fork if NOS means the steerer hasn't been
>> cut!
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 28, 2024, Frank Burkybile 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all! I am beginning to pack out for an international move and sadly
>>> clearing out some bike stuff.  I have pictures of almost everything
>>> here  , the rest will get
>>> posted as soon as I pull it out of boxes. If you have specific items that
>>> you would like to see a closer picture of, just let me know.
>>>
>>> I am located in Richmond, VA and am happy to meet in person if you are
>>> nearby. Otherwise, buyer covers shipping unless we make alternate
>>> arrangements. I am also happy to discuss reasonable counteroffers and/or
>>> discounts if you are interested in multiple items.
>>>
>>> I will likely have some more stuff that may be added as I pack, so check
>>> back!
>>>
>>> Thanks for looking and let me know if you have any questions.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Frank
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Handlebars (all silver unless noted):
>>>
>>>- Nitto Billy Bar, 580x25.4 never mounted, still in plastic - $120
>>>- Riv Tosco bar, 650x31.8, new take off, lightly used, still has
>>>some cloth tape wrapped - $80
>>>- Crust Uncle Ron's Ortho Bar - I have 2-  One still in plastic, one
>>>was mounted and ridden for a few miles (no marks, scratches, etc.) - $120
>>>each
>>>- Ahearn+Map bar - 610 x 25.4
>>>- Velo Orange Crazy Bar (new version) - I have 2, one silver and one
>>>black. Black is in photo, silver is still mounted and is soon to be 
>>> removed
>>>- $100 each
>>>- Nitto Grand Rando drop bars, includes brake levers - 42cm - $40
>>>- Salsa Bell Lap (black) - $30
>>>
>>> Stems
>>>
>>>- Nitto Technomic/Tallux
>>>   - 90x25.4 - used, has wear marks - $50
>>>   - 120x26 - $70
>>>   - 130x25.4 - $70
>>>   - 130x26 -$70
>>>- Quill adapter + VO treadless 90x31.8 - $50
>>>
>>> Wheelsets
>>>
>>>- 26" Sun Single Rhyno lite w/Shimano disk hubs - never used - $100
>>>- 700c HED Kermesse HED hubs (Campagnolo)  -  $300
>>>- 29er Rhyno lite XL w/Deore XT hubs - never used - $150
>>>
>>> Pedals
>>>
>>>- MKS touring - used - $30
>>>- MKS Bear Trap - new take off - $40
>>>- MKS  Urban platform w/half clips - used - $30
>>>
>>> Saddles
>>>
>>>- Velo Orange (like Brooks 67) - used - $50
>>>- Velo Orange (like Brooks B15) - lightly used - $70
>>>- WTB Silverado Thinline w/titanium rails - $70
>>>- Selle San Marco - Black - light wear, can include post in the
>>>picture if you want)  - $70
>>>
>>> Racks
>>>
>>>- Nitto F25 - essentially new, used for one ride - $200
>>>- Pletscher (silver) - used - $15
>>>- Pletscher (black) - new - $25
>>>- Nitto F18 handlebar rack/bag mount w/handlebar bag (olive) - $120
>>>- Rivendell PlatRack and Slickersack - works with Mark's rack or
>>>mini front - awesome bag and rack combo that hasn't been available 
>>> through
>>>Rivendell for a good while, purchased from a fellow RBW Owners Bunch 
>>> member
>>> - $150
>>>
>>> Group set
>>>
>>>- Campagnolo Chorus 11 - lightly used - $600
>>>
>>> Brake levers
>>>
>>>- Tektro - mountain - 2 pair, one silver, one black and silver -
>>>$20/pair
>>>
>>> Other items:
>>>
>>>- Surly Cross Check front fork (Canti mount) - NOS - $60
>>>- Burley Tail Wagon - pet trailer - very good shape - $200
>>>
>>> Fenders, parts, tools + more to come!
>>>
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[RBW] Re: [650B] 650b on 26" frame - promax p-1 brakes

[iamkeith]

...I meant to say that it won't materially affect your "steering" 
geometry.  If the overall diameter doesn't change, the trail calculation 
doesn't change.  Additionally, there's a "pneumatic" trail   effect, where 
a fatter tire feels like it has more trail.  So a slightly taller tire with 
less volume might feel exactly the same.

But it will most definitely impact you "handling."  The smaller wheels have 
a lower gyroscopic center of gravity, and more stable handling as a result. 
They also have less inertia, and are easier to accelerate.  (The flip side 
is that they don't carry speed/momentum as well, but that's not such an 
issue on paved surfaces as it is on rocky trails.)

Keep in mind that this all assumes that you are using high-quality, 
lightweight, supple tires and tubes, filled with weightless air.  in such 
case, the rim is the heavy part of the wheel.  If you were comparing heavy 
tubes and tires on a 26" setup to lightweight tubes and tires on a 650b 
setup, then it's not really a fair comparison.

On Wednesday, August 28, 2024 at 9:49:05 PM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:

> If you want my opinion, I can't imagine why in the world you'd want to do 
> this.  I have 26" bikes, 650b bikes and 700c bikes, but I rarely ride 
> anything but the 26" bikes.  They are just better in every possible way...  
> except perhaps aesthetics... to some people, but not me.   (I'm speaking of 
> road bikes, not mountain bikes, where the bigger wheels actually do have an 
> advantage.)  I agree that it won't materially affect your handling.  In 
> most cases, what it will do is simply limit the size of the tire you can 
> fit, so that you basically have the same overall diameter wheel but have to 
> deal with harsher-riding, more-inflated tires as a result.  And your 
> braking power will be reduced, because you have less leverage at the brake 
> arm.  (At least for cantis.)If by some chance you CAN fit a taller 
> overall wheel, you'll have a higher bottom bracket and higher center of 
> gravity and reduced stand-over clearance - all of which are negatives to my 
> way of thinking - but especially on a loaded touring bike.  You have fewer 
> tire choices in 650b than 26".  If you have 135mm rear end spacing and QR 
> dropouts, high-end 26" wheels are relatively easy to find on the second 
> hand market (or in bike coops/shops, if you're on tour) because they 
> dominated the mountain bike market for so long.  Finding good, im-brake 
> 650b rims/wheels is already a challenge.
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>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2024 12:32 PM
>> *To:* Bernard Duhon 
>> *Cc:* 650b <65...@googlegroups.com>; rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [650B] 650b on 26" frame - promax p-1 brakes
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>> I can only argue from analogy - my gravel bike wears 700x42 normally, but I 
>> am equally happy on 650x48.  Crank strike is more of an issue, but I just 
>> watch out for that and use crank boots.  BB is definitely lower, but I 
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>> bike was designed for a 26 X 1.6 inch tire.  I have a chart that shows the 
>> difference in will circumference is just a few millimeters. 640mm V 670mm.  
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[RBW] Re: An A. Homer Hilsen 500km review.

[Roberta]

Wow, Nicholas. Such a beautiful bike and a beautiful place to ride it. 
 Sounds like you’re going to love your Homer As much as I love mine. I too 
bought the Homer as a compliment to the Appaloosa. I think you have two 
fantastic bikes there.
On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 2:33:23 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote:

> Looking good, Nicholas!
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> Enjoy your new ride :)
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> jared
> SC, CA
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> On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 6:19:48 AM UTC-7 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
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>> That's a beautiful picture and the Homer looks right at home there. Have 
>> fun!
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>> On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 4:13:47 AM UTC-7 Nicholas A wrote:
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>>> After 500km I feel I have spent enough time on this bike to give it a 
>>> decent review. 
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>>> When I was speccing this bike out I was going for a gravel and light 
>>> touring kind of setup, pushing the limits of tyre clearance with 47c tyres. 
>>> My main inspiration was basically a more lightweight version of my 
>>> Appaloosa, and I think I’ve pretty much hit the nail on the head in that 
>>> regard. I bought the bike through La Chouette in Paris, really great guys 
>>> to deal with. 
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>>> The two bikes have a similar overall ride-feel with the long chainstays, 
>>> but the Homer definitely feels more sprightly. 
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>>> I’m 6ft2, PBH 91ish, and went with a size 58 as I know I wanted to run 
>>> drop bars on it, and I also just preferred the proportions overall for a 
>>> sportier setup. My Appa is a 60. 
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>>> To start off I went with downtube shifters but quickly changed to 
>>> bar-ends, they just seemed so far away on the downtube, probably because my 
>>> saddle is quite high from “sizing down”. Should have gone with the bar ends 
>>> to begin with but I had a set of levers lying around. You know how it goes. 
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>>> Of the 500kms I’ve ridden, most of it has been 1-3hr jaunts but I put in 
>>> a good 5hrs last Thursday which has really cemented my views and fit on 
>>> this bike. 
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>>> Most of these rides have been very much in the country bike vein, taking 
>>> in as much off road as I can string together. The Homer is really at home 
>>> here, the bike feels so sure footed and yet able to be ridden lightly. 
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>>> Brake wise I went with Dia Compe long reach (BRS202) rather than the 
>>> Tektro, for no reason other than availability. The stock pads left a little 
>>> to be desired, I was going to just wear them out and get something better 
>>> then but decided life’s too short and got some Kool Stop shoes and pads 
>>> which have been a great improvement. 
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>>> The Homer is currently my only bike, everything else is in storage due 
>>> to a house move and impending renovation. I really feel like I made the 
>>> right choice with the Homer as my one bike to rule them all for the moment.
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>>> Parts breakdown as follows;
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>>> Crust Shaka handlebars, Tiagra levers, Silver bar-ends.
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>>> Crust rims with SimWorks brass nipples, SON front hub, Deore rear.
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>>> Brooks B17 and some no-name seatpost (prime candidate for an unnecessary 
>>> upgrade)
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>>> VO 50.4 crankset, 46/30.
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>>> Alivio rear mech and I think an 11/36 cassette.
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>>> SON lights front and back.
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>>> Riv frame-pump.
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>>> Ron's Bikes Fabio's Fanny and tool roll. 
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>>> [image: IMG_9696.jpeg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Gus Boots a-go-go

[iamkeith]

On Tuesday, August 27, 2024 at 7:43:00 AM UTC-6 Nick Shoemaker wrote:

I'm not a Gus'r yet, but definitely a big fan of big tires on trail Rivs! 
I've maxed my Clem out with 2.6" Mezcals, which are fantastic even with 
tubes. Curious if any of you other Hillibikers have made the switch from 
tubes to tubeless and how noticeable the difference was? Also, anyone 
running anything wider than a 2.6 on their Gus/Susie - what's the absolute 
max that will fit?



I have 2.8s, mounted on 42 external/33 internal rims, on my Susie.  I built 
the wheels while I was waiting for the frame (first-run) to arrive, so 
didn't try anything more "normal" first, but now sort of regret it.  I 
almost always want "more" tire, but this is one of the first times that 
I've ever had a bike that accommodates fatter tires than I need.  KInd of 
nice for a change.  I sort of experienced the same thing with my 
All-Rounder, where I realized that 1.95s are better than 2.3s or 2.1s - 
but, truthfully, I was pushing clearances with the larger tires in that 
case.  In the case of the Susie, the 2.8s fit the frame just fine.   It's 
just that it doesn't handle well.   Too much pneumatic self-steer, and the 
center of gravity feels way too high - not like a Rivendell at all.  
(Although the newer, lugged version is a bit lower, so maybe better with a 
bigger tire?)

My plan is to get some 2.6 tires.  I've been looking at the Maxis Ikon, 
mostly because it will fill a gap or offer some variety to my other bikes 
that have either knobbier or slicker treads.  I'm hoping I don't have to go 
even smaller, because my rims are so wide that narrower tires might end up 
with a wierd profile.   The only reason I haven't done it yet is because i 
have those expensive TPU tubes, which aren't reported to do well if you 
switch to a smaller volume tire.  (I guess they stretch, and don't have 
elastic memory.)  And I REALLY like the tubes.

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