Re: [RBW] Quickbeam improvement ideas

[Andrew Janjigian]

Made some adjustments last night and gave it a long-ish ride, to see if I can 
pinpoint the issues. I moved the seat back a bit and lowered it slightly, and 
staying seated was a little easier, so perhaps it was on the high side. 

As for the twitchiness, which seems new, I am wondering if I need to replace 
the bearings on my headset. While it is a little wobbly generally, where it is 
most noticeable is if I hit a bump while the wheel is turned, it seems to 
“jump” a long way in the direction of the turn, like it is notched. When not 
moving, the headset seems smooth, so I’m not sure it is a bearing issue or 
something not headset related. 


> On Aug 21, 2024, at 4:04 PM, CMR  wrote:
> 
> Boscos on a quickbeam might come back too far, especially with an 11cm stem. 
> I think an albatross on a dirt drop would be too close for me too honestly, 
> even on a big bike.
> 
> Brooks can be slippery, which is a good and a bad thing. A cheap experiment 
> might be a non-leather saddle further back on the rails.
> 
> Do you have any other bikes with upright bars that fit well?
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, August 21, 2024 at 12:48:38 PM UTC-7 ajanj...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Keith - 
>> 
>> Thanks. I was under the impression that one way to get less-squirrelly 
>> turning was to extend the length of the stem, so that it requires more 
>> rotation to turn the wheel. The reason I considered pairing it with Boscos 
>> was to bring the ends of the bars backwards at the same time.
>> 
>> - Andrew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 21, 2024, at 3:08 PM, iamkeith > wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>>> (I wasn't clear, but my QB is the same 60cm size as my other Riv bikes.)
>>> 
>>> On Wednesday, August 21, 2024 at 1:06:43 PM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
 Well, a longer stem normally only adds stability because it puts your 
 weight further forward.  If you use a bar where the grip area is further 
 back than you were before  -  despite having a longer stem - it's not 
 going to do what you want.  
 
 I have been wrestling with how to set up my quickbeam for decades.  I 
 don't want to get rid of it, because it has some sort of magic ride 
 quality that not even my other Rivendells have.  I just want it set up in 
 a way that I'll be inclined to use it more.   Like you, I "barely" clear 
 the top tube.  I wouldn't even consider another size though. That 
 clearance issue is mostly because of a higher bottom bracket - to 
 accommodate somebody who wantes to ride fixed gear - not the rest of the 
 frame size.   Compared to my 60 Ram, my 60 AR and my 60 Saluki - all from 
 the same general era - it is still ideally sized other than that. It does 
 have a longer top tube than the ohterwise-similar-geometry Ram, and I 
 think that's where some of the magic comes from.  It's closer to the AR 
 and Saluki in that dimension.
 
 I do think the frame works best with a bit of forward lean, rather than 
 upright, posture.   I'm kind of over drop bars though, so I'm considering 
 Chocos or a "three-speed" type bar.  Both of those are similar to 
 moustache/albastache bars, except for having the brakes on the rear part 
 of the bar.   If those fail, then a moustache is always my default choice, 
 and probably perfectly suited to the bike.  If you haven't given them a 
 fair try - experimenting with differnet stems - I'd suggest that first.   
 The only hesitation in my own case is that I already have them on so many 
 bikes and want some variety.
 On Wednesday, August 21, 2024 at 12:43:51 PM UTC-6 ajanj...@gmail.com <> 
 wrote:
> So as I mentioned, I am considering a Roaduno, but since I’d love not to 
> spend the $$$ on a new frame, I’m considering just fixing some of the 
> issues I am having with my Quickbeam instead. Right now it is set up with 
> a short Dirt Drop and albatross bars. 
> 
> Aside from the gnarly aesthetics of the well-loved frame, my main issues 
> with it are:
> 
> 1. A slightly too-big frame. It’s a 56, and my PBH is 83cm. The standover 
> is close, but I do just clear the top bar with my feet on the ground. 
> Worse is that I think the top bar is a little long, so I’m constantly 
> sliding forward in the seat to reach the bars (the seat, a B68, is as far 
> forward on the post as possible). 
> 
> 2. Squirrely steering.
> 
> What do people think about the idea of replacing the Albatross bars with 
> Boscos and the Dirt Drop with a 110mm Faceplater, with the idea being 
> that it would bring the bars both up and back to keep me in the seat, and 
> the longer stem would provide more steering stability? I figure I can 
> always trim the bars down if they come back too far.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> ––
> Andrew Janjigian
> website: www.wordloaf.org 
> newsletter: newsletter.wordloaf.org 

[RBW] Re: Ro-Deux-No build notes New Bike Day

[Sarah Carlson]

Their gentle suggestion... "Do not EVEN try to get Grant to do this." 

On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 8:02:12 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Will asked for a curated photo-shoot this morning.  Of course I was happy 
> to oblige.  Will indicated it was Grant who was concerned that others would 
> demand that Riv replicate the Lindsay treatment, which is why Will put in 
> the language that Riv can't replicate my build.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 5:40:25 PM UTC-7 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> And note the shout out about Bill L and his build in the Riv 
>> newsletter they noticed too!
>>
>> On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 9:41:19 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I like the experiment a LOT, for three big reasons:  
>>>
>>> 1. "nobody" has done it before.
>>> 2. virtually everybody has never tried it.  
>>> 3. A good number of know it alls will tell you it's not possible, and 
>>> they don't know from experience (see #2)
>>>
>>> Have fun with it.  All "findings" are valuable.
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>> On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 8:18:52 AM UTC-7 mvie...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hi Bill - 
 My S-A 2sp does not have a coaster bake. So:  Rim Brakes 4ever!  (both 
 front and rear) 
 I'm using a Paul Melvinator (high zoot!). I read - either at the Paul 
 Comp website or Rivendell - it can accommodate 20t difference for the 
 chainrings. 

 How the tensioner interacts with the kick back mechanism will be a bit 
 of a SheldonBrown style experiment. I get your point - there's going to be 
 some kind of finickiness between the chain tensioner and the force to 
 shift 
 when back pedaling. 
 I'll have to start a thread on if it works or not. Maybe grab different 
 deraiilleurs and set up a Design of Experiments!

 I'm expecting fun - as soon as UPS gets it to me I missed the 
 delivery this AM, as they moved the time up by more than 2 hours. :| 
 Mark V. 

  

 On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 7:29:01 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "and (just noticed)  3 x 6  in the Flickr pages?"
>
> My RoadUno is 2x7.  It's the stock 38/26 in front, and 12-28 in back  
>
> "I'm probably going to use a 2spd kick back hub (yes, they are 
> heavy) with a 3 ring set up."
>
> How will that work?  If you run a 3-ring setup with a front derailleur 
> you'll need a tensioner of some kind.  If you run a 2 speed kickback hub 
> you'll need to NOT run a tensioner of any kind.  
> Will it be a 2-speed kickback setup with no tensioner, and you can 
> manually move the wheel to accommodate one of the three rings?  If you do 
> that, then you need new rear brake setup for each wheel position.  Will 
> it 
> be front brake only?  
>
> Have fun with it, whatever you do.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 3:16:11 PM UTC-7 mvie...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I've got an Ana Purple RoadUno showing up tomorrow, Friday.  (first 
>> bike purchase from Rivendell...) 
>> I'm temporarily on weight lifting restrictions (thanks, cataract!), 
>> so I've recruited my son to lend me a hand. Maybe I lend him a beer or 
>> something...
>>
>> As far as going fixed, I saw that the RoadUno page (one of them, 
>> can't recall which) recommends against doing so, as the bottom bracket 
>> drop 
>> is relatively low (80mm drop?) . 
>>
>> Thanks for the early build pics and tips. -- and (just noticed)  3 x 
>> 6  in the Flickr pages?   I'm probably going to use a 2spd kick back hub 
>> (yes, they are heavy) with a 3 ring set up. 
>> Cheers. 
>>
>> On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 11:50:21 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Keith 
>>>
>>> What exactly are you after?  Are you looking to build a Roaduno 
>>> fixed with zero brakes and need to know max fenderless tire size you 
>>> can 
>>> run on your fixie?  Are you plotting a cantilever conversion on a 
>>> Roaduno?  
>>> Do you have a particular tire size that you must have, or is it just 
>>> you 
>>> need to know the absolute largest tire that will fit without fenders.  
>>> Have 
>>> you asked Rivendell to do these measurements for you?  If you are in 
>>> market 
>>> to buy a frame and since they have lots of frames, maybe that's their 
>>> job?
>>>
>>> I will be taking some Garage Door photos for Will, so he can put my 
>>> build in the Riv email newsletter.  At that time, I'll try to capture 
>>> what 
>>> you may be after.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 21, 2024 at 11:03:50 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>>>
 Beautiful, Bill.  I suspect you'll be responsible for a number of 
 new Roaduno sales in the near future, as people see your bike.
>>>

Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Josh C]

Nice one Jay. That's a great price on that bike IMO

On Saturday, August 24, 2024 at 8:39:40 PM UTC-4 Jay Lonner wrote:

> Well I thought that Gus seemed cheap as well, and thinking back to the 
> recent Jeff Lyon listing I asked myself “what would Bill Lindsay do?” So I 
> entered what I thought was a lowball bid, and I bet you can see where this 
> is going… Too bad it’s not orange, but Riv blue is a classic, and at that 
> price I really can’t complain!
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 19, 2024 at 4:43:10 PM UTC-7 Richard Rose wrote:
>
>> Wow that Gus seems downright cheap. Mostly high end parts. Someone should 
>> be very happy.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2024, at 10:24 PM, Hoch in ut  wrote:
>>
>> Gus 57cm on eBay 
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/335535412233?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=qA7Aw4ymQhC&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=rzmd47rSQ3O&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
>>
>> On Sunday, August 18, 2024 at 8:24:33 AM UTC-6 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> 52 Sam for $1250 in the Bay Area 
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/albany-rivendell-sam-hillborne-52cm/7775464891.html
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 13, 2024 at 11:59:05 AM UTC-4 Jeffery S wrote:
>>>
 Rivendell Atlantis - $2,400 (Denver)


 https://denver.craigslist.org/bik/d/denver-rivendell-atlantis/7773388159.html

 Not mine and no relation


 On Tuesday, August 6, 2024 at 7:02:27 AM UTC-6 Josh C wrote:

> 53cm Susie that looks nicely appointed. 
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/d/belmont-rivendell-susie-53/7772593945.html
>
> On Monday, August 5, 2024 at 8:48:25 PM UTC-4 Chris Halasz wrote:
>
>> 63cm Soma San Marcos bicycle - $600 (Carmel)
>>
>>
>> https://monterey.craigslist.org/bik/d/carmel-by-the-sea-soma-san-marcos/7772195224.html
>>
>> On Sunday, July 28, 2024 at 10:36:55 PM UTC-7 Corwin Zechar wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Philip -
>>>
>>> I have a Roadeo waiting for paint. The claimed tire clearance for 
>>> Roadeos is 33mm (basically a Jack Brown tire) as I recall. I'm 
>>> reasonably 
>>> sure I could put a 35mm tire on a relatively wide rim and make it work 
>>> without fenders.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> Corwin
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 2:04:48 PM UTC-7 philip@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I so badly wish this was a 58/59. Hell, even 60!

 This is exactly what I want to be riding this summer!

 What size tire will it clear? 28s?


 P. W.
 ~
 (917) 514-2207
 ~




 On Jul 7, 2024, at 1:19 PM, donavanm  wrote:

 


 On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 5:05:32 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:

 63cm Roadeo. Don't see these every day. Good price IMO. 

 https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-roadeo-63cm-black-and/7763433686.html


  This is mine. I can provide more photos if anyones interested, or 
 a test ride in seattle. As mentioned i just dont ride it these days.

 I also have a 61cm simpleone that Ill be listing once I take some 
 pics tomorrow. Im keeping my quickbeam, and Ill be down to 7 other 
 bikes…

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Brian Turner]

The guy selling the Gus seems to be a really good dude. In fact, his Gus 
(the one in question) is the main inspiration for mine, which he helped me 
find as a NOS frameset from Golden Saddle before they closed.
It'll make a great bike for whoever ends up with it.

Brian
Lex, KY

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[RBW] PSA: Atlantis coming out early next year

[Kim H.]

I don't know if anyone noticed the mention of the Rivendell Atlantis coming 
out early next year in the text of the current newsletter entitled "The 
Roadunos are here". 

Here it is:
" If you had your heart set on a Sergio Green and missed out, you'll have 
another shot: we've added Sergio Green as the second color to our Atlantis 
run coming early next year. It's not wildly different from the normal 
Atlantis green, but maybe that's for the best; if someone likes one color, 
they'll probably like the other too, effectively increasing the quantity of 
frames they're interested in. That's the idea at least" 

Enjoy the excitement !

I have not interest in buying one. I am happy with my Clem.

Kim Hetzel.

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Atlantis coming out early next year

[Josh C]

I saw that too. I don't need another bike or have space for one, but a 
Sergio Green Atlantis...maybe 

On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 10:18:37 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> I don't know if anyone noticed the mention of the Rivendell Atlantis 
> coming out early next year in the text of the current newsletter entitled 
> "The Roadunos are here". 
>
> Here it is:
> " If you had your heart set on a Sergio Green and missed out, you'll have 
> another shot: we've added Sergio Green as the second color to our 
> Atlantis run coming early next year. It's not wildly different from the 
> normal Atlantis green, but maybe that's for the best; if someone likes one 
> color, they'll probably like the other too, effectively increasing the 
> quantity of frames they're interested in. That's the idea at least" 
>
> Enjoy the excitement !
>
> I have not interest in buying one. I am happy with my Clem.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 17 years of longing, can you help? The search for a green B17

[Peter White]

We have one left in stock. B17 Champion Special Ti in green.

On Sat, Aug 24, 2024 at 9:57 PM Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The BRG “Brooks Racing Green” saddle was one of the first things I got for
> my 2004 Quickbeam. It’s been on there ever since, and it’s pretty great. It
> looks almost black now, after 20 years.
>
> I didn’t know there were titanium railed versions either!
>
> Good luck with the search,
> Philip
> SR, CA
>
> On Saturday, August 24, 2024 at 1:21:16 PM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote:
>
>> With great apprehension I come to you all with yet another WTB ask, but
>> this one is so much more.
>>
>> Back when I was first getting into "real bicycles", it was the "come up"
>> of fixed gears and track bikes. Some of you know what I'm talking about, it
>> was around 05-06 and videos started to emerge online with names like Mash
>> SF and Macaframa, an NYC based blog called Prolly is not Probably was
>> gaining traction, and in my small, agriculture based hometown there were
>> about 3 of us who discovered these things around the same time.
>>
>> There was a small bike shop that resided inside an also small, local
>> sporting goods store and a childhood friend had recently taken a job there
>> learning the ropes in hopes of becoming a skilled mechanic, as well as to
>> receive a discount on parts to fulfill the goal of going from a 27" road
>> bike with a JB Welded on track cog and bottom bracket lockring to a proper
>> fixed gear set up.
>>
>> This friend helped me along the same pathway, trading up from a clapped
>> out Fuji Royale conversion, to the next and the next, eventually landing on
>> some pretty neat bikes (for the time), with the "high" being a prototype
>> Bianchi Super Pista. While I was wheeling and dealing (some things never
>> change, it appears) my friend stuck with this first and only proper fixed
>> gear, a Surly Steamroller. Purchased complete, he eventually worked it
>> over, a new Velocity Deep V wheelset, some wicked narrow Nitto NJS
>> certified track drops, and the likes.
>>
>> What really enamored me was this beautiful, and I mean gorgeous Brooks
>> B17 special. It was not just any B17 special, it was the newly released
>> "British Racing Green" color. That saddle was captivating to me, but at a
>> scant 125lbs I never stood a chance of breaking one in, so I stuck with my
>> Flites and Turbos. For years I watched that saddle age and get more and
>> more beautiful, and the fire inside grew. The way the copper, hand hammered
>> rivets played off the green dyed leather... it was mesmerizing! Soon after
>> this era I received my DL, found my way into aircooled VW's, and largely
>> left cycling behind for 13-14 years.
>>
>> Since then I've always had a bike around, with the knowledge of
>> Rivendell's existence but it always seems unattainable to step into that
>> world. About 4 years ago I was able to break through that barrier and have
>> been enamored with these bikes ever since. The community has welcomed my
>> wife and I with open arms. I've had many a great transaction with countless
>> members on this list, and my wife has been indoctrinated into the
>> fellowship of the Rivsisters by way of our own Leah P. Needless to say,
>> these bikes have had a large impact on our lives and I'm grateful for every
>> ride and every transaction where I'm able to pass along something to an
>> appreciative buyer or to score that final part to wrap up a build.
>>
>> However, that green B17 special has continued to live rent free in the
>> depths of my mind, festering like a wound I just can't heal. I've missed
>> the opportunity to snag one on the group once or twice and it's only added
>> to the fire to one day own my "white whale". In some ways I actively pursue
>> items, goals, etc, and in other ways I like to let the universe open doors,
>> but I'm realizing I've waited long enough and so here we are, me writing a
>> short novel about my want for a damn bike saddle and asking if one of you
>> happen to be holding the keys to my saddle euphoria.
>>
>> I wasn't even aware of a titanium version until our own Joe Remi posted
>> one back in 2020, my mind always pictured the steel railed version with
>> copper plating.
>>
>> So, anyone?
>>
>> Open to either version and hope to hear anyones history or insight
>> regarding these special (to me) saddles.
>>
>> Please respond with offerings to jaredwi...@gmail.com, not the email
>> associated to this posting.
>>
>> With love <3
>>
>> jared in SC, CA
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2024-08-24 at 1.17.05 PM.png]
>>
>> *Photo credits to marcus_jb1973 on Flickr*
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Ro-Deux-No build notes New Bike Day

[Bill Lindsay]

Grant just shakes his head at my Frankenstein lab experiments.  When I 
tried to describe this build concept to him last month he told me "Gosh, 
Bill, it must be HARD to be you!"  

BL in EC

On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 5:57:09 AM UTC-7 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:

> Their gentle suggestion... "Do not EVEN try to get Grant to do this." 
>
> On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 8:02:12 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Will asked for a curated photo-shoot this morning.  Of course I was happy 
>> to oblige.  Will indicated it was Grant who was concerned that others would 
>> demand that Riv replicate the Lindsay treatment, which is why Will put in 
>> the language that Riv can't replicate my build.  
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 5:40:25 PM UTC-7 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> And note the shout out about Bill L and his build in the Riv 
>>> newsletter they noticed too!
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 9:41:19 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I like the experiment a LOT, for three big reasons:  

 1. "nobody" has done it before.
 2. virtually everybody has never tried it.  
 3. A good number of know it alls will tell you it's not possible, and 
 they don't know from experience (see #2)

 Have fun with it.  All "findings" are valuable.

 BL in EC
 On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 8:18:52 AM UTC-7 mvie...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Bill - 
> My S-A 2sp does not have a coaster bake. So:  Rim Brakes 4ever!  (both 
> front and rear) 
> I'm using a Paul Melvinator (high zoot!). I read - either at the Paul 
> Comp website or Rivendell - it can accommodate 20t difference for the 
> chainrings. 
>
> How the tensioner interacts with the kick back mechanism will be a bit 
> of a SheldonBrown style experiment. I get your point - there's going to 
> be 
> some kind of finickiness between the chain tensioner and the force to 
> shift 
> when back pedaling. 
> I'll have to start a thread on if it works or not. Maybe grab 
> different deraiilleurs and set up a Design of Experiments!
>
> I'm expecting fun - as soon as UPS gets it to me I missed the 
> delivery this AM, as they moved the time up by more than 2 hours. :| 
> Mark V. 
>
>  
>
> On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 7:29:01 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> "and (just noticed)  3 x 6  in the Flickr pages?"
>>
>> My RoadUno is 2x7.  It's the stock 38/26 in front, and 12-28 in back  
>>
>> "I'm probably going to use a 2spd kick back hub (yes, they are 
>> heavy) with a 3 ring set up."
>>
>> How will that work?  If you run a 3-ring setup with a front 
>> derailleur you'll need a tensioner of some kind.  If you run a 2 speed 
>> kickback hub you'll need to NOT run a tensioner of any kind.  
>> Will it be a 2-speed kickback setup with no tensioner, and you can 
>> manually move the wheel to accommodate one of the three rings?  If you 
>> do 
>> that, then you need new rear brake setup for each wheel position.  Will 
>> it 
>> be front brake only?  
>>
>> Have fun with it, whatever you do.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 3:16:11 PM UTC-7 mvie...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've got an Ana Purple RoadUno showing up tomorrow, Friday.  (first 
>>> bike purchase from Rivendell...) 
>>> I'm temporarily on weight lifting restrictions (thanks, cataract!), 
>>> so I've recruited my son to lend me a hand. Maybe I lend him a beer or 
>>> something...
>>>
>>> As far as going fixed, I saw that the RoadUno page (one of them, 
>>> can't recall which) recommends against doing so, as the bottom bracket 
>>> drop 
>>> is relatively low (80mm drop?) . 
>>>
>>> Thanks for the early build pics and tips. -- and (just noticed)  3 x 
>>> 6  in the Flickr pages?   I'm probably going to use a 2spd kick back 
>>> hub 
>>> (yes, they are heavy) with a 3 ring set up. 
>>> Cheers. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 11:50:21 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Keith 

 What exactly are you after?  Are you looking to build a Roaduno 
 fixed with zero brakes and need to know max fenderless tire size you 
 can 
 run on your fixie?  Are you plotting a cantilever conversion on a 
 Roaduno?  
 Do you have a particular tire size that you must have, or is it just 
 you 
 need to know the absolute largest tire that will fit without fenders.  
 Have 
 you asked Rivendell to do these measurements for you?  If you are in 
 market 
 to buy a frame and since they have lots of frames, maybe that's their 
 job?

 I will be taking some Garage Door photos for Will, so he can put my 

[RBW] Roadini Drivetrain Questions

[Jesse Marshburn]

Hi All, 

There seems to be some knowledgable mechanics in this group, so I wanted to 
ask about the drivetrain on my 52 Roadini 
. It works okay, but just 
doesn't seem very smooth and happy...clunky is the way I'd describe it. I'm 
wondering if some folks might be able to offer some advice on where I 
should begin troubleshooting or perhaps what parts I should swap out to 
make it 'happier.' Also worth noting that I built the bike up myself and 
I'd consider myself a 'competent at best' - level mechanic. Any advice 
would be greatly appreciated! Here's what I'm currently running:

-Shimano 105 hub (FH-R7000). I believe this is technically a 10-11 speed 
hub...I'm running it with the spacer for a 10-speed.

-Shimano Deore rear derailer (RD-M591).

-Sram 11-32 9-speed cassette.

-Sram PC 951 chain.

-Shimano FD-2300 

 
front derailer 

-Clipper GS 46x30 crank with a 107mm BB

-Also, I did have the derailer hanger aligned before I started the build.

Just wondering if anything jumps out as being weird or incompatible! Any 
advice is greatly appreciated! 

-Jesse in Atlanta, GA
   


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[RBW] Re: Roadini Drivetrain Questions

[Bill Lindsay]

There's nothing fundamentally wrong with your mix of parts.  If your bike 
was going into my stand I'd probably start with therapy session questions 
about what you mean by "just doesn't seem smooth and happy" or "clunky". 
 The first question would be whether you are talking about riding the bike 
in-gear the drivetrain doesn't seem smooth?  -OR- do you mean when you 
execute a shift it seems clunky?  -OR- do you mean both?  You don't even 
mention your shifters, so I assume you are totally happy with "shifting" 
and are unhappy about "riding".  Assuming that's the case, the first 
objective measurement would be front and rear chain line.  What are they? 
 and Are they both where you planned them to be?  Or are you a "what's 
chain line?" mechanic?  Assuming chain line is perfecto, and it's all a 
riding problem I'd dive into whether it's unhappy in every gear or only 
some of the gears.  Assuming it's all the gears and assuming I rode your 
bike and concurred that it's rough and unhappy, then I'd start swapping 
stuff depending on my instincts from the test ride and from evaluating it 
in my work stand.  I'd start swapping things I can swap for free.  I'd fire 
in a rear wheel from one of my bikes that has a "liquid" drivetrain.  Do 
you like my rear wheel a lot better than your own?  Then go buy a copy of 
my cassette.  Is it just as bad?  Then it's not the cassette.  It's not the 
rear derailleur if it's a riding problem and your hanger is correct.  So 
that narrows it down to the chain or the chainrings.  And on you go...

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 8:07:04 AM UTC-7 jessecm...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi All, 
>
> There seems to be some knowledgable mechanics in this group, so I wanted 
> to ask about the drivetrain on my 52 Roadini 
> . It works okay, but just 
> doesn't seem very smooth and happy...clunky is the way I'd describe it. I'm 
> wondering if some folks might be able to offer some advice on where I 
> should begin troubleshooting or perhaps what parts I should swap out to 
> make it 'happier.' Also worth noting that I built the bike up myself and 
> I'd consider myself a 'competent at best' - level mechanic. Any advice 
> would be greatly appreciated! Here's what I'm currently running:
>
> -Shimano 105 hub (FH-R7000). I believe this is technically a 10-11 speed 
> hub...I'm running it with the spacer for a 10-speed.
>
> -Shimano Deore rear derailer (RD-M591).
>
> -Sram 11-32 9-speed cassette.
>
> -Sram PC 951 chain.
>
> -Shimano FD-2300 
> 
>  
> front derailer 
>
> -Clipper GS 46x30 crank with a 107mm BB
>
> -Also, I did have the derailer hanger aligned before I started the build.
>
> Just wondering if anything jumps out as being weird or incompatible! Any 
> advice is greatly appreciated! 
>
> -Jesse in Atlanta, GA
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Roadini Drivetrain Questions

[Joe Bernard]

As Bill says it looks fine from here. Possibilities I can come up with off 
the top of my head: 1. It's a mix of new/used parts and the chain is kinda 
grumbly over cogs and chainrings of a different age. 2. Your FD is designed 
for a 39-52 chainring combo, your front shifting may seem slightly 
difficult moving the chain through the 16-tooth gap you're trying to cover. 
3. I've found SRAM chains to be noisier than some other brands. A 
clean-and-lube should quiet it down a bit. 

That's all I got! 🙋‍♂️

Joe Bernard 
Clearlake CA 

On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 8:07:04 AM UTC-7 Jesse Marshburn wrote:

> Hi All, 
>
> There seems to be some knowledgable mechanics in this group, so I wanted 
> to ask about the drivetrain on my 52 Roadini 
> . It works okay, but just 
> doesn't seem very smooth and happy...clunky is the way I'd describe it. I'm 
> wondering if some folks might be able to offer some advice on where I 
> should begin troubleshooting or perhaps what parts I should swap out to 
> make it 'happier.' Also worth noting that I built the bike up myself and 
> I'd consider myself a 'competent at best' - level mechanic. Any advice 
> would be greatly appreciated! Here's what I'm currently running:
>
> -Shimano 105 hub (FH-R7000). I believe this is technically a 10-11 speed 
> hub...I'm running it with the spacer for a 10-speed.
>
> -Shimano Deore rear derailer (RD-M591).
>
> -Sram 11-32 9-speed cassette.
>
> -Sram PC 951 chain.
>
> -Shimano FD-2300 
> 
>  
> front derailer 
>
> -Clipper GS 46x30 crank with a 107mm BB
>
> -Also, I did have the derailer hanger aligned before I started the build.
>
> Just wondering if anything jumps out as being weird or incompatible! Any 
> advice is greatly appreciated! 
>
> -Jesse in Atlanta, GA
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] The Lightest Rivendell

[Brent Eastman]

Who's got it? 

I've seen beautiful lightweight lugged road bikes with super light modern 
components, but they usually are not Rivs. Has anyone gone full out shaving 
grams off a Roadeo, Roadini, or older Riv model?

I know we're not weight weenies here, I'm certainly not. I did get the itch 
after building up my Roadini to make it even lighter (and faster?). 
However, the reason I love Rivs is that they are IMO the best blend of 
aesthetic beauty, reliable, durable, (fast seems to come last which is 
fine). My build was a tightly budgeted mix of parts bin, eBay NOS, and new 
parts. Would I try carbon wheels on it? Yes! Would I spend a bunch of 
money? No.

It does seem like in the last decade, the gravel itch has spread, and there 
could be some high end road bike parts floating around for low prices. I'm 
just brainstorming about what my winter project will be. 

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[RBW] Re: Roadini Drivetrain Questions

[Jesse Marshburn]

Thanks very much, Bill! 

For the therapy session, I guess it seems clunky settling into the right 
gear. Just seems to take more fiddling with the Silver 1 shifter than it 
should to settle into gear. Once I get it settled into gear, it seems 
pretty happy. 

I'm familiar with the concept of chain line, but didn't have a specific 
number in mind during the build and I haven't actually measured it, so I 
guess that tells you something about the type of mechanic I am! I'll get 
some measurements and check on that for sure.

Good call on swapping out the rear wheel...I'll do that with the wheel on 
my 60 Cheviot and see if anything's different.

Also good to know that nothing seems off with the mix of parts.

Really appreciate your input!



On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 11:35:19 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> There's nothing fundamentally wrong with your mix of parts.  If your bike 
> was going into my stand I'd probably start with therapy session questions 
> about what you mean by "just doesn't seem smooth and happy" or "clunky". 
>  The first question would be whether you are talking about riding the bike 
> in-gear the drivetrain doesn't seem smooth?  -OR- do you mean when you 
> execute a shift it seems clunky?  -OR- do you mean both?  You don't even 
> mention your shifters, so I assume you are totally happy with "shifting" 
> and are unhappy about "riding".  Assuming that's the case, the first 
> objective measurement would be front and rear chain line.  What are they? 
>  and Are they both where you planned them to be?  Or are you a "what's 
> chain line?" mechanic?  Assuming chain line is perfecto, and it's all a 
> riding problem I'd dive into whether it's unhappy in every gear or only 
> some of the gears.  Assuming it's all the gears and assuming I rode your 
> bike and concurred that it's rough and unhappy, then I'd start swapping 
> stuff depending on my instincts from the test ride and from evaluating it 
> in my work stand.  I'd start swapping things I can swap for free.  I'd fire 
> in a rear wheel from one of my bikes that has a "liquid" drivetrain.  Do 
> you like my rear wheel a lot better than your own?  Then go buy a copy of 
> my cassette.  Is it just as bad?  Then it's not the cassette.  It's not the 
> rear derailleur if it's a riding problem and your hanger is correct.  So 
> that narrows it down to the chain or the chainrings.  And on you go...
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 8:07:04 AM UTC-7 jessecm...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi All, 
>>
>> There seems to be some knowledgable mechanics in this group, so I wanted 
>> to ask about the drivetrain on my 52 Roadini 
>> . It works okay, but just 
>> doesn't seem very smooth and happy...clunky is the way I'd describe it. I'm 
>> wondering if some folks might be able to offer some advice on where I 
>> should begin troubleshooting or perhaps what parts I should swap out to 
>> make it 'happier.' Also worth noting that I built the bike up myself and 
>> I'd consider myself a 'competent at best' - level mechanic. Any advice 
>> would be greatly appreciated! Here's what I'm currently running:
>>
>> -Shimano 105 hub (FH-R7000). I believe this is technically a 10-11 speed 
>> hub...I'm running it with the spacer for a 10-speed.
>>
>> -Shimano Deore rear derailer (RD-M591).
>>
>> -Sram 11-32 9-speed cassette.
>>
>> -Sram PC 951 chain.
>>
>> -Shimano FD-2300 
>> 
>>  
>> front derailer 
>>
>> -Clipper GS 46x30 crank with a 107mm BB
>>
>> -Also, I did have the derailer hanger aligned before I started the build.
>>
>> Just wondering if anything jumps out as being weird or incompatible! Any 
>> advice is greatly appreciated! 
>>
>> -Jesse in Atlanta, GA
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Roadini Drivetrain Questions

[Jesse Marshburn]

Thanks so much, Joe! I'll certainly consider the 3 possibilities that you 
described!

Now off to the shed!




On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 11:46:41 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> As Bill says it looks fine from here. Possibilities I can come up with off 
> the top of my head: 1. It's a mix of new/used parts and the chain is kinda 
> grumbly over cogs and chainrings of a different age. 2. Your FD is designed 
> for a 39-52 chainring combo, your front shifting may seem slightly 
> difficult moving the chain through the 16-tooth gap you're trying to cover. 
> 3. I've found SRAM chains to be noisier than some other brands. A 
> clean-and-lube should quiet it down a bit. 
>
> That's all I got! 🙋‍♂️
>
> Joe Bernard 
> Clearlake CA 
>
> On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 8:07:04 AM UTC-7 Jesse Marshburn wrote:
>
>> Hi All, 
>>
>> There seems to be some knowledgable mechanics in this group, so I wanted 
>> to ask about the drivetrain on my 52 Roadini 
>> . It works okay, but just 
>> doesn't seem very smooth and happy...clunky is the way I'd describe it. I'm 
>> wondering if some folks might be able to offer some advice on where I 
>> should begin troubleshooting or perhaps what parts I should swap out to 
>> make it 'happier.' Also worth noting that I built the bike up myself and 
>> I'd consider myself a 'competent at best' - level mechanic. Any advice 
>> would be greatly appreciated! Here's what I'm currently running:
>>
>> -Shimano 105 hub (FH-R7000). I believe this is technically a 10-11 speed 
>> hub...I'm running it with the spacer for a 10-speed.
>>
>> -Shimano Deore rear derailer (RD-M591).
>>
>> -Sram 11-32 9-speed cassette.
>>
>> -Sram PC 951 chain.
>>
>> -Shimano FD-2300 
>> 
>>  
>> front derailer 
>>
>> -Clipper GS 46x30 crank with a 107mm BB
>>
>> -Also, I did have the derailer hanger aligned before I started the build.
>>
>> Just wondering if anything jumps out as being weird or incompatible! Any 
>> advice is greatly appreciated! 
>>
>> -Jesse in Atlanta, GA
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Ro-Deux-No build notes New Bike Day

[Ray Varella]

Grant just shakes his head at my Frankenstein lab experiments.  When I 
tried to describe this build concept to him last month he told me "Gosh, 
Bill, it must be HARD to be you!"

😆 🤣 we all have our coping mechanisms to quiet the mind. 

Ray

On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 8:04:25 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Grant just shakes his head at my Frankenstein lab experiments.  When I 
> tried to describe this build concept to him last month he told me "Gosh, 
> Bill, it must be HARD to be you!"  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 5:57:09 AM UTC-7 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Their gentle suggestion... "Do not EVEN try to get Grant to do this." 
>>
>> On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 8:02:12 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Will asked for a curated photo-shoot this morning.  Of course I was 
>>> happy to oblige.  Will indicated it was Grant who was concerned that others 
>>> would demand that Riv replicate the Lindsay treatment, which is why Will 
>>> put in the language that Riv can't replicate my build.  
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 5:40:25 PM UTC-7 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 And note the shout out about Bill L and his build in the Riv 
 newsletter they noticed too!

 On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 9:41:19 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I like the experiment a LOT, for three big reasons:  
>
> 1. "nobody" has done it before.
> 2. virtually everybody has never tried it.  
> 3. A good number of know it alls will tell you it's not possible, and 
> they don't know from experience (see #2)
>
> Have fun with it.  All "findings" are valuable.
>
> BL in EC
> On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 8:18:52 AM UTC-7 mvie...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Bill - 
>> My S-A 2sp does not have a coaster bake. So:  Rim Brakes 4ever!  
>> (both front and rear) 
>> I'm using a Paul Melvinator (high zoot!). I read - either at the Paul 
>> Comp website or Rivendell - it can accommodate 20t difference for the 
>> chainrings. 
>>
>> How the tensioner interacts with the kick back mechanism will be a 
>> bit of a SheldonBrown style experiment. I get your point - there's going 
>> to 
>> be some kind of finickiness between the chain tensioner and the force to 
>> shift when back pedaling. 
>> I'll have to start a thread on if it works or not. Maybe grab 
>> different deraiilleurs and set up a Design of Experiments!
>>
>> I'm expecting fun - as soon as UPS gets it to me I missed the 
>> delivery this AM, as they moved the time up by more than 2 hours. :| 
>> Mark V. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 7:29:01 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> "and (just noticed)  3 x 6  in the Flickr pages?"
>>>
>>> My RoadUno is 2x7.  It's the stock 38/26 in front, and 12-28 in 
>>> back  
>>>
>>> "I'm probably going to use a 2spd kick back hub (yes, they are 
>>> heavy) with a 3 ring set up."
>>>
>>> How will that work?  If you run a 3-ring setup with a front 
>>> derailleur you'll need a tensioner of some kind.  If you run a 2 speed 
>>> kickback hub you'll need to NOT run a tensioner of any kind.  
>>> Will it be a 2-speed kickback setup with no tensioner, and you can 
>>> manually move the wheel to accommodate one of the three rings?  If you 
>>> do 
>>> that, then you need new rear brake setup for each wheel position.  Will 
>>> it 
>>> be front brake only?  
>>>
>>> Have fun with it, whatever you do.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 3:16:11 PM UTC-7 mvie...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I've got an Ana Purple RoadUno showing up tomorrow, Friday.  (first 
 bike purchase from Rivendell...) 
 I'm temporarily on weight lifting restrictions (thanks, cataract!), 
 so I've recruited my son to lend me a hand. Maybe I lend him a beer or 
 something...

 As far as going fixed, I saw that the RoadUno page (one of them, 
 can't recall which) recommends against doing so, as the bottom bracket 
 drop 
 is relatively low (80mm drop?) . 

 Thanks for the early build pics and tips. -- and (just noticed)  3 
 x 6  in the Flickr pages?   I'm probably going to use a 2spd kick back 
 hub 
 (yes, they are heavy) with a 3 ring set up. 
 Cheers. 

 On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 11:50:21 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay 
 wrote:

> Keith 
>
> What exactly are you after?  Are you looking to build a Roaduno 
> fixed with zero brakes and need to know max fenderless tire size you 
> can 
> run on your fixie?  Are you plotting a cantilever conversion on a 
> Roaduno?  
> Do you 

[RBW] Re: The Lightest Rivendell

[Stephen]

I'm sure I don't have the lightest one, but I've put a little effort into 
turning my ram into a lightweight road bike. Splurged for king Ti bottle 
cages, ti brooks, and ebay curated the drivetrain to be a STI shimagnolo. 
Only things to lighten up at this point I think would be to switch to a 
titanium seatpost and switch up the wheelset. I'll try and take an updated 
photo today.

On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 9:03:14 AM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

> Who's got it? 
>
> I've seen beautiful lightweight lugged road bikes with super light modern 
> components, but they usually are not Rivs. Has anyone gone full out shaving 
> grams off a Roadeo, Roadini, or older Riv model?
>
> I know we're not weight weenies here, I'm certainly not. I did get the 
> itch after building up my Roadini to make it even lighter (and faster?). 
> However, the reason I love Rivs is that they are IMO the best blend of 
> aesthetic beauty, reliable, durable, (fast seems to come last which is 
> fine). My build was a tightly budgeted mix of parts bin, eBay NOS, and new 
> parts. Would I try carbon wheels on it? Yes! Would I spend a bunch of 
> money? No.
>
> It does seem like in the last decade, the gravel itch has spread, and 
> there could be some high end road bike parts floating around for low 
> prices. I'm just brainstorming about what my winter project will be. 
>

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[RBW] Re: The Lightest Rivendell

[Bill Lindsay]

I approached the build concept for both my Legolas and my Roadeo with a 
focus on lower weight.  Both are under 20 pounds.  The Roadeo is under 20 
pounds with full fenders and with a front rack, which I'm pretty proud of.  

Patrick Moore has a far lighter "Rivendell" but it's his custom with small 
wheels and a single fixed drivetrain and only one brake.  I think he's in 
the 17-pound neighborhood.  

I assume your conceptual winter project is to swap parts to make a bike you 
already have lighter.  That's almost always a pointless proposition unless 
the real point is just to entertain yourself with the work.  Replacing 
stuff that does not need replacing is obviously kind of wasteful.  Doing so 
on a budget makes it even harder.  Maybe it would be just as fun to just 
experiment with a more stripped down configuration.  Like, just remove a 
chainring and front derailleur.  That's "free" weight savings and just find 
out if you can live with a 1x.  I find that if you really want to pull 
together a light build, you should plan from a blank sheet of paper and 
build that thing from the ground up.  If you just did an overhaul on your 
Leo and weighed the frame and the fork bare, you would find that it's a 
pound or two heavier than a "light" steel frame and fork.  So I think a fun 
target for a Leo Roadini is 10kg, which is far more reachable than 20 
pounds.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 9:03:14 AM UTC-7 Brent Eastman wrote:

> Who's got it? 
>
> I've seen beautiful lightweight lugged road bikes with super light modern 
> components, but they usually are not Rivs. Has anyone gone full out shaving 
> grams off a Roadeo, Roadini, or older Riv model?
>
> I know we're not weight weenies here, I'm certainly not. I did get the 
> itch after building up my Roadini to make it even lighter (and faster?). 
> However, the reason I love Rivs is that they are IMO the best blend of 
> aesthetic beauty, reliable, durable, (fast seems to come last which is 
> fine). My build was a tightly budgeted mix of parts bin, eBay NOS, and new 
> parts. Would I try carbon wheels on it? Yes! Would I spend a bunch of 
> money? No.
>
> It does seem like in the last decade, the gravel itch has spread, and 
> there could be some high end road bike parts floating around for low 
> prices. I'm just brainstorming about what my winter project will be. 
>

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[RBW] Re: WTT - Choco bars for Albastache bars

[iamkeith]

I could trade some traditional nitto moustache bars if you don't find any 
albastache bars. Maybe even throw in some $.
On Saturday, August 24, 2024 at 11:36:19 PM UTC-6 Nathan Mattia wrote:

> I’ll trade you my albatross for your chocos!,
>
> On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 3:41:06 PM UTC-5 Gary L wrote:
>
>> Hi all, I have a great condition Choco bar that does not work so great 
>> for me. Does anyone have an Albastache bar that they'd like to trade for 
>> the Choco bar?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Gary
>> Asheville, NC
>>
>

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[RBW] Your thoughts on a Rivesdale (Riv + Clydesdale)?

[NYCbikeguy]

I've become more of a utilitarian over the years in outlook and lifestyle 
and I love the idea of a cargo bike. But I'm not sure the Rivbike ethos 
meshes well with that of a cargo bike. Either way, I got the opportunity to 
get one for cheap and so I'm thinking I'm contemplating whether I 
should even try it on a riv or just go straight for the vintage MTB. What 
do you all think? Will there be too much of a clash between the brutalist 
utilitarian fork and the classy lugs of a Rivbike?

Best,
IY
NYC/CT

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Re: [RBW] Re: 17 years of longing, can you help? The search for a green B17

[jaredwilson]

Peter, I'll take it!

 Please hold for me, I'll be sending an email now.

jared

On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 7:46:56 AM UTC-7 peter...@gmail.com wrote:

> We have one left in stock. B17 Champion Special Ti in green.
>
> On Sat, Aug 24, 2024 at 9:57 PM Philip Williamson  
> wrote:
>
>> The BRG “Brooks Racing Green” saddle was one of the first things I got 
>> for my 2004 Quickbeam. It’s been on there ever since, and it’s pretty 
>> great. It looks almost black now, after 20 years. 
>>
>> I didn’t know there were titanium railed versions either! 
>>
>> Good luck with the search,
>> Philip
>> SR, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, August 24, 2024 at 1:21:16 PM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote:
>>
>>> With great apprehension I come to you all with yet another WTB ask, but 
>>> this one is so much more.
>>>
>>> Back when I was first getting into "real bicycles", it was the "come up" 
>>> of fixed gears and track bikes. Some of you know what I'm talking about, it 
>>> was around 05-06 and videos started to emerge online with names like Mash 
>>> SF and Macaframa, an NYC based blog called Prolly is not Probably was 
>>> gaining traction, and in my small, agriculture based hometown there were 
>>> about 3 of us who discovered these things around the same time.
>>>
>>> There was a small bike shop that resided inside an also small, local 
>>> sporting goods store and a childhood friend had recently taken a job there 
>>> learning the ropes in hopes of becoming a skilled mechanic, as well as to 
>>> receive a discount on parts to fulfill the goal of going from a 27" road 
>>> bike with a JB Welded on track cog and bottom bracket lockring to a proper 
>>> fixed gear set up.
>>>
>>> This friend helped me along the same pathway, trading up from a clapped 
>>> out Fuji Royale conversion, to the next and the next, eventually landing on 
>>> some pretty neat bikes (for the time), with the "high" being a prototype 
>>> Bianchi Super Pista. While I was wheeling and dealing (some things never 
>>> change, it appears) my friend stuck with this first and only proper fixed 
>>> gear, a Surly Steamroller. Purchased complete, he eventually worked it 
>>> over, a new Velocity Deep V wheelset, some wicked narrow Nitto NJS 
>>> certified track drops, and the likes. 
>>>
>>> What really enamored me was this beautiful, and I mean gorgeous Brooks 
>>> B17 special. It was not just any B17 special, it was the newly released 
>>> "British Racing Green" color. That saddle was captivating to me, but at a 
>>> scant 125lbs I never stood a chance of breaking one in, so I stuck with my 
>>> Flites and Turbos. For years I watched that saddle age and get more and 
>>> more beautiful, and the fire inside grew. The way the copper, hand hammered 
>>> rivets played off the green dyed leather... it was mesmerizing! Soon after 
>>> this era I received my DL, found my way into aircooled VW's, and largely 
>>> left cycling behind for 13-14 years.
>>>
>>> Since then I've always had a bike around, with the knowledge of 
>>> Rivendell's existence but it always seems unattainable to step into that 
>>> world. About 4 years ago I was able to break through that barrier and have 
>>> been enamored with these bikes ever since. The community has welcomed my 
>>> wife and I with open arms. I've had many a great transaction with countless 
>>> members on this list, and my wife has been indoctrinated into the 
>>> fellowship of the Rivsisters by way of our own Leah P. Needless to say, 
>>> these bikes have had a large impact on our lives and I'm grateful for every 
>>> ride and every transaction where I'm able to pass along something to an 
>>> appreciative buyer or to score that final part to wrap up a build.
>>>
>>> However, that green B17 special has continued to live rent free in the 
>>> depths of my mind, festering like a wound I just can't heal. I've missed 
>>> the opportunity to snag one on the group once or twice and it's only added 
>>> to the fire to one day own my "white whale". In some ways I actively pursue 
>>> items, goals, etc, and in other ways I like to let the universe open doors, 
>>> but I'm realizing I've waited long enough and so here we are, me writing a 
>>> short novel about my want for a damn bike saddle and asking if one of you 
>>> happen to be holding the keys to my saddle euphoria.
>>>
>>> I wasn't even aware of a titanium version until our own Joe Remi posted 
>>> one back in 2020, my mind always pictured the steel railed version with 
>>> copper plating.
>>>
>>> So, anyone? 
>>>
>>> Open to either version and hope to hear anyones history or insight 
>>> regarding these special (to me) saddles.
>>>
>>> Please respond with offerings to jaredwi...@gmail.com, not the email 
>>> associated to this posting.
>>>
>>> With love <3
>>>
>>> jared in SC, CA
>>>
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2024-08-24 at 1.17.05 PM.png]
>>>
>>> *Photo credits to marcus_jb1973 on Flickr*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Your thoughts on a Rivesdale (Riv + Clydesdale)?

[Bill Lindsay]

It was not explicitly stated, but I *think* what you attempted to convey is 
that you had the opportunity to purchase a Crust Clydesdale Cargo Fork 
platform, and now you are in the market for a bicycle to fit the fork.  Is 
that what is going on?  

If that is what is going on, then it starts with the steer tube of the 
fork.  What is it?  If it is 1-1/8" then the ONLY Rivendells that have ever 
been made with a 1-1/8" compatible head tube were the HubbuHubbuH tandem 
and the Gus Boots Willson Hillibike.  I assume you don't intend to build a 
cargo tandem.  If you wanted to do a Gus Boots Willson cargo build, I think 
that would look sweet.  Go for it.

If you have a 1" steer tube cargo fork, then you have a lot more Rivendell 
options, in addition to 1980s MTBs

If you have a 1-1/8" steer tube and don't want a Gus Boots Willson, then go 
vintage 1990s-2000s MTB and have fun with it.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 10:28:28 AM UTC-7 NYCbikeguy wrote:

> I've become more of a utilitarian over the years in outlook and lifestyle 
> and I love the idea of a cargo bike. But I'm not sure the Rivbike ethos 
> meshes well with that of a cargo bike. Either way, I got the opportunity to 
> get one for cheap and so I'm thinking I'm contemplating whether I 
> should even try it on a riv or just go straight for the vintage MTB. What 
> do you all think? Will there be too much of a clash between the brutalist 
> utilitarian fork and the classy lugs of a Rivbike?
>
> Best,
> IY
> NYC/CT
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam improvement ideas

[JohnS]

My experience to test the status of the headset, is to remove the front 
wheel, stem/handle bar, front brake and any other accessories like a rack 
or fenders. Then turning the fork is only the weight of the fork nothing 
else to throw it off. I'm usually amazed at how crappy the headset can feel 
when I do that, even though it felt fine when all the other components 
where there.

JohnS


On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 8:29:22 AM UTC-4 ajanj...@gmail.com wrote:

> Made some adjustments last night and gave it a long-ish ride, to see if I 
> can pinpoint the issues. I moved the seat back a bit and lowered it 
> slightly, and staying seated was a little easier, so perhaps it was on the 
> high side. 
>
> As for the twitchiness, which *seems* new, I am wondering if I need to 
> replace the bearings on my headset. While it is a little wobbly generally, 
> where it is most noticeable is if I hit a bump while the wheel is turned, 
> it seems to “jump” a long way in the direction of the turn, like it is 
> notched. When not moving, the headset seems smooth, so I’m not sure it is a 
> bearing issue or something not headset related. 
>
> On Aug 21, 2024, at 4:04 PM, CMR  wrote:
>
> Boscos on a quickbeam might come back too far, especially with an 11cm 
> stem. I think an albatross on a dirt drop would be too close for me too 
> honestly, even on a big bike.
>
> Brooks can be slippery, which is a good and a bad thing. A cheap 
> experiment might be a non-leather saddle further back on the rails.
>
> Do you have any other bikes with upright bars that fit well?
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 21, 2024 at 12:48:38 PM UTC-7 ajanj...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Keith - 
>>
>> Thanks. I was under the impression that one way to get less-squirrelly 
>> turning was to extend the length of the stem, so that it requires more 
>> rotation to turn the wheel. The reason I considered pairing it with Boscos 
>> was to bring the ends of the bars backwards at the same time.
>>
>> - Andrew
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 21, 2024, at 3:08 PM, iamkeith  wrote:
>>
>> (I wasn't clear, but my QB is the same 60cm size as my other Riv bikes.)
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 21, 2024 at 1:06:43 PM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> Well, a longer stem normally only adds stability because it puts your 
>>> weight further forward.  If you use a bar where the grip area is further 
>>> back than you were before  -  despite having a longer stem - it's not going 
>>> to do what you want.  
>>>
>>> I have been wrestling with how to set up my quickbeam for decades.  I 
>>> don't want to get rid of it, because it has some sort of magic ride quality 
>>> that not even my other Rivendells have.  I just want it set up in a way 
>>> that I'll be inclined to use it more.   Like you, I "barely" clear the top 
>>> tube.  I wouldn't even consider another size though. That clearance issue 
>>> is mostly because of a higher bottom bracket - to accommodate somebody who 
>>> wantes to ride fixed gear - not the rest of the frame size.   Compared to 
>>> my 60 Ram, my 60 AR and my 60 Saluki - all from the same general era - it 
>>> is still ideally sized other than that. It does have a longer top tube than 
>>> the ohterwise-similar-geometry Ram, and I think that's where some of the 
>>> magic comes from.  It's closer to the AR and Saluki in that dimension.
>>>
>>> I do think the frame works best with a bit of forward lean, rather than 
>>> upright, posture.   I'm kind of over drop bars though, so I'm considering 
>>> Chocos or a "three-speed" type bar.  Both of those are similar to 
>>> moustache/albastache bars, except for having the brakes on the rear part of 
>>> the bar.   If those fail, then a moustache is always my default choice, and 
>>> probably perfectly suited to the bike.  If you haven't given them a fair 
>>> try - experimenting with differnet stems - I'd suggest that first.   The 
>>> only hesitation in my own case is that I already have them on so many bikes 
>>> and want some variety.
>>> On Wednesday, August 21, 2024 at 12:43:51 PM UTC-6 ajanj...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 So as I mentioned, I am considering a Roaduno, but since I’d love not 
 to spend the $$$ on a new frame, I’m considering just fixing some of the 
 issues I am having with my Quickbeam instead. Right now it is set up with 
 a 
 short Dirt Drop and albatross bars. 

 Aside from the gnarly aesthetics of the well-loved frame, my main 
 issues with it are:

 1. A slightly too-big frame. It’s a 56, and my PBH is 83cm. The 
 standover is close, but I do just clear the top bar with my feet on the 
 ground. Worse is that I think the top bar is a little long, so I’m 
 constantly sliding forward in the seat to reach the bars (the seat, a B68, 
 is as far forward on the post as possible). 

 2. Squirrely steering.

 What do people think about the idea of replacing the Albatross bars 
 with Boscos and the Dirt Drop with a 110mm Faceplater, with t

[RBW] Re: WTT - Choco bars for Albastache bars

[iamkeith]

I should clarify that my moustache handlebars have a 25.4 clamp area, not 
26.0 like Riv was selling before they started carrying the Albastache bar 
only.  So same as the Choco and Albastache.

On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 11:26:47 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:

>
> I could trade some traditional nitto moustache bars if you don't find any 
> albastache bars. Maybe even throw in some $.
> On Saturday, August 24, 2024 at 11:36:19 PM UTC-6 Nathan Mattia wrote:
>
>> I’ll trade you my albatross for your chocos!,
>>
>> On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 3:41:06 PM UTC-5 Gary L wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, I have a great condition Choco bar that does not work so great 
>>> for me. Does anyone have an Albastache bar that they'd like to trade for 
>>> the Choco bar?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Gary
>>> Asheville, NC
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Orange Roadini fotos

[alan lavine]

Orange is still the fastest color.
Just saying...

Alan

On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 8:56:57 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:

> Some more.

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[RBW] Re: Do you ride with fenders?

[RichS]

Joining the fender parade. Years ago I was influenced by Jan Heine's 
endorsement of fenders plus the French and British tradition of using them.
Currently using Berthoud's but have been pleased with VO and SKS models. If 
I get tired of the smooth Berthoud's I have some Honjo fluted gems waiting 
to be put into use. 

Honestly though, I have seen some bikes sans fenders that appeal to me 
looking just right with their clean, bare bones, wispy appearance.
Jock's Paramount perhaps?

Best,
Rich in ATL 

On Saturday, August 24, 2024 at 10:40:37 PM UTC-4 Nick A. wrote:

> I have 4 bicycles, and the only one with fenders is my "around town" 
> basket bike. My Atlantis is fender-free. 
>
> On Saturday, August 24, 2024 at 7:24:02 PM UTC-4 LeRoy wrote:
>
>> I ride with all the fenders, all the time, on all my bike (singular). 
>> Unlike many on this forum, it's easier for me to say and do that since I 
>> only have one bike - a Clem 59H. And, in the interests of accuracy in 
>> counting, I'm not including my 1970s road bike because it simply decorates 
>> a wall as "hanging art" in the garage.
>> That being said, I have considered removing the fenders from 
>> time-to-time. But it's really simpler to keep them in place. They don't 
>> weigh much in the context of a fully dressed Clem. Pragmatically speaking 
>> rain, mud or dust are frequent enough encounters that the fenders provide 
>> their protection, both for me and those riding behind me. And they look 
>> good.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> On Saturday, August 24, 2024 at 6:17:33 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> I've ridden w/fenders daily for the past 13 years and love them.  
>>> Install the rear fender, put the front one over the rear in the box.  If 
>>> you have a Sheldon's fender nut it makes the front installation that much 
>>> easier.  
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 24, 2024 at 4:58:57 PM UTC-4 nlerner wrote:
>>>
 A friend and I rode the EST from Rochester to Albany just a couple of 
 weeks ago. We were both sporting fenders, and I was glad to have them 
 because (1) it poured down rain for about an hour or so on one of our days 
 and (2) fenders kept the dust/dirt kicked up on the unpaved sections off 
 of 
 my legs and body. For a very flat course, the fender weight penalty didn’t 
 really matter.

 Neal Lerner
 Brookline MA

 On Saturday, August 24, 2024 at 2:25:49 PM UTC-4 aeroperf wrote:

> The Erie Canal Bike Trail is a nice ride.
> But put the fenders in the box.  Not just for when it rains - there’s 
> a reason they’re called “mudguards”.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Do you ride with fenders?

[iamkeith]

Most of my road-ish bikes have permantly-mounted fenders, and  some of my 
mountain-ish bikes do too.  Where I live and ride, in the WY/MT/ID/UT area, 
I can really only ride about 6 mos a year at best (except for fat bikes) 
and it's pretty arid during those months.  However I only ride for fun, 
when I get a chance, on weekends and evenings mostly.  Those opportunities 
inevitably coincide with the few times it DOES  rain - often unexpectedly 
in the middle of a ride.  So fenders are the thing that keeps e from 
becoming a fair-weather pansy.  Plus  they protect the bike investment.

All that said, I'd be inclined to take some cheap clip-on fenders if I was 
traveling.  Fenders - even goof, plastic SKS type - tend to get beat up and 
warped when packing them. 
On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 1:30:59 PM UTC-6 RichS wrote:

> Joining the fender parade. Years ago I was influenced by Jan Heine's 
> endorsement of fenders plus the French and British tradition of using them.
> Currently using Berthoud's but have been pleased with VO and SKS models. 
> If I get tired of the smooth Berthoud's I have some Honjo fluted gems 
> waiting to be put into use. 
>
> Honestly though, I have seen some bikes sans fenders that appeal to me 
> looking just right with their clean, bare bones, wispy appearance.
> Jock's Paramount perhaps?
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL 
>
> On Saturday, August 24, 2024 at 10:40:37 PM UTC-4 Nick A. wrote:
>
>> I have 4 bicycles, and the only one with fenders is my "around town" 
>> basket bike. My Atlantis is fender-free. 
>>
>> On Saturday, August 24, 2024 at 7:24:02 PM UTC-4 LeRoy wrote:
>>
>>> I ride with all the fenders, all the time, on all my bike (singular). 
>>> Unlike many on this forum, it's easier for me to say and do that since I 
>>> only have one bike - a Clem 59H. And, in the interests of accuracy in 
>>> counting, I'm not including my 1970s road bike because it simply decorates 
>>> a wall as "hanging art" in the garage.
>>> That being said, I have considered removing the fenders from 
>>> time-to-time. But it's really simpler to keep them in place. They don't 
>>> weigh much in the context of a fully dressed Clem. Pragmatically speaking 
>>> rain, mud or dust are frequent enough encounters that the fenders provide 
>>> their protection, both for me and those riding behind me. And they look 
>>> good.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 24, 2024 at 6:17:33 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>
 I've ridden w/fenders daily for the past 13 years and love them.  
 Install the rear fender, put the front one over the rear in the box.  If 
 you have a Sheldon's fender nut it makes the front installation that much 
 easier.  

 On Saturday, August 24, 2024 at 4:58:57 PM UTC-4 nlerner wrote:

> A friend and I rode the EST from Rochester to Albany just a couple of 
> weeks ago. We were both sporting fenders, and I was glad to have them 
> because (1) it poured down rain for about an hour or so on one of our 
> days 
> and (2) fenders kept the dust/dirt kicked up on the unpaved sections off 
> of 
> my legs and body. For a very flat course, the fender weight penalty 
> didn’t 
> really matter.
>
> Neal Lerner
> Brookline MA
>
> On Saturday, August 24, 2024 at 2:25:49 PM UTC-4 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> The Erie Canal Bike Trail is a nice ride.
>> But put the fenders in the box.  Not just for when it rains - there’s 
>> a reason they’re called “mudguards”.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Your thoughts on a Rivesdale (Riv + Clydesdale)?

[NYCbikeguy]

Thanks for the clarifying questions, Bill!

The clydesdale fork that I will be getting is a 1" steerer.
Funny enough, I own both the Gus and the Hubbuh, but I also own a couple of 
other Riv models as well, such as the AR, Toyo atlantis, MUSA atlantis, and 
Hunqapillar. 

My original intention to ask about the potential "Rivesdale" build is to 
survey people's opinions on how it might look/come off. 
Basically, are the Riv frames and the fork from completely different realms 
of design?
Referring to the age old adage, "just because you can, doesn't mean you 
should," will I regret it because I will have butchered a completely fine 
Riv frame?
Thanks in advance for all of your thoughts!

On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 2:12:50 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> It was not explicitly stated, but I *think* what you attempted to convey 
> is that you had the opportunity to purchase a Crust Clydesdale Cargo Fork 
> platform, and now you are in the market for a bicycle to fit the fork.  Is 
> that what is going on?  
>
> If that is what is going on, then it starts with the steer tube of the 
> fork.  What is it?  If it is 1-1/8" then the ONLY Rivendells that have ever 
> been made with a 1-1/8" compatible head tube were the HubbuHubbuH tandem 
> and the Gus Boots Willson Hillibike.  I assume you don't intend to build a 
> cargo tandem.  If you wanted to do a Gus Boots Willson cargo build, I think 
> that would look sweet.  Go for it.
>
> If you have a 1" steer tube cargo fork, then you have a lot more Rivendell 
> options, in addition to 1980s MTBs
>
> If you have a 1-1/8" steer tube and don't want a Gus Boots Willson, then 
> go vintage 1990s-2000s MTB and have fun with it.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 10:28:28 AM UTC-7 NYCbikeguy wrote:
>
>> I've become more of a utilitarian over the years in outlook and lifestyle 
>> and I love the idea of a cargo bike. But I'm not sure the Rivbike ethos 
>> meshes well with that of a cargo bike. Either way, I got the opportunity to 
>> get one for cheap and so I'm thinking I'm contemplating whether I 
>> should even try it on a riv or just go straight for the vintage MTB. What 
>> do you all think? Will there be too much of a clash between the brutalist 
>> utilitarian fork and the classy lugs of a Rivbike?
>>
>> Best,
>> IY
>> NYC/CT
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Lightest Rivendell

[Patrick Moore]

In fact, if Bill has derailleur drivetrain bikes under 20 lb they beat --
for weight skimming -- my Joe Starck gofast. That's 18 lb on the nose with
heavy Phil hubs and 360 gram Dura Ace (MTB) SPD pedals and 52X 17/19 Dingle
and old Dura Ace QR on the rear, the only "stupid light" part being a
titanium stem binder bolt. 175 gram Elk Pass tires.

And *two!* Iris bottle cages -- had it originally built for just 1 cage but
Chauncey added a second.

I know that Bill has showcased the Legolas and Roadeo before, but perhaps
he'd be kind enough to restate how these are built up and link to a photo
or 2.



On Sun, Aug 25, 2024 at 11:09 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I approached the build concept for both my Legolas and my Roadeo with a
> focus on lower weight.  Both are under 20 pounds.  The Roadeo is under 20
> pounds with full fenders and with a front rack, which I'm pretty proud of.
>
> Patrick Moore has a far lighter "Rivendell" but it's his custom with small
> wheels and a single fixed drivetrain and only one brake.  I think he's in
> the 17-pound neighborhood.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Lightest Rivendell

[Patrick Moore]

With fenders and rack under 20 lb: Bill's Roadeo must take the prize! I
figure my custom would be 20 lb min with 2X10.

IIRC, I did get my 2003 Curt (frame was clone of the Joe Starck) in its
original build as a gofast 1X10 in at 20 lb with Speedplay X-1s and 2 Iris
cages. But no rack or fenders. Both 2003 and 1999 are medium sized frames;
I'm about Bill's size.


On Sun, Aug 25, 2024 at 2:27 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> In fact, if Bill has derailleur drivetrain bikes under 20 lb they beat --
> for weight skimming -- my Joe Starck gofast.
>

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[RBW] Re: Iterations on my Purple RoadUno

[ian m]

Get the bottle cages direct from the source at  https://kingcage.com
There's options, they're worth it, &c.

On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 1:11:49 PM UTC-4 mvie...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm hoping for enough iterations I end up calling it the RoadXO...  ;)
>
> Out of the box yesterday evening - after a couple of calls UPS, and 
> thinking I really need to start a daily reading of MEDITATIONS by Marcus 
> Aurelius. 
> Out of the box everything was in good shape. I need to ask Will (at 
> Rivendell) if I should have had grips in the box or now. No big shakes 
> there as I've got a roll of CampAndGoSlow eastern rattler bar tape just for 
> this bike. 
> Planning to ride it RivBike-stock for a little while. I'm recycling my 
> Brooks B17, a Crane Bell, and eventually some fenders. 
> I got the MKS pedals new. A very short spin down the block in flip flops 
> earned them 5 stars 'out of the box'.  I still need to pick up some bottle 
> cages. I like the  Iris King cage deals, but they are sold out at RivBike. 
> Probably I'll end up with just the silver Jim's cage from TANKA, maybe.  
> Oh, and I got a Count Von Count sticker for the bike. 
> Next iterations:
>  - S-A 2spd kickback up (need to see if the cogs match between the stock 
> wheel and my S-A)
>  - Add my 
>
>- Melvinator, 
>- Shimano 600 FD, 
>- Silver DT shifter, and 
>- 44t chainring
>
> - I'd like to go drop bar, I think. Maybe next spring. I've got a Surly 
> SteamRoller set up fixed that's drop bar. So maybe I won't. 
> OK - that's it for now. I'll add a ride report when I go get this thing 
> dirty. Probably Thursday or Friday when the get the Boss-Lady Permissions / 
> Cataract Recovery Restrictions lifted. 
> cheers. 
> [image: IMG_7289[1].JPG]
>

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RE: [RBW] The Lightest Rivendell

[Bernard Duhon]

Because of the rush to carbon wheels & disc brakes the Ebay market for rim 
brake “racing” wheels if very soft.
I have seen 1,500gram wheelsets that were $1,100.00 new selling for $400.00.

OF course with wheels you are taking a chance on the wear they may have been 
thru.

I have some lightly used campy protons I could let go if you are interested.

Bernard

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brent Eastman
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2024 11:03 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] The Lightest Rivendell

Who's got it?

I've seen beautiful lightweight lugged road bikes with super light modern 
components, but they usually are not Rivs. Has anyone gone full out shaving 
grams off a Roadeo, Roadini, or older Riv model?

I know we're not weight weenies here, I'm certainly not. I did get the itch 
after building up my Roadini to make it even lighter (and faster?). However, 
the reason I love Rivs is that they are IMO the best blend of aesthetic beauty, 
reliable, durable, (fast seems to come last which is fine). My build was a 
tightly budgeted mix of parts bin, eBay NOS, and new parts. Would I try carbon 
wheels on it? Yes! Would I spend a bunch of money? No.

It does seem like in the last decade, the gravel itch has spread, and there 
could be some high end road bike parts floating around for low prices. I'm just 
brainstorming about what my winter project will be.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ro-Deux-No build notes New Bike Day

[Patrick Moore]

Lol. When I ordered my first road custom in late 1994 I asked Grant to
build me a road bike like my '92 XO-1 but "better." (He said, "Oh, it'll be
better.")

He used the AR as a basic template tho' with road tubing and lugs, so it
was 54 cm c-c (again, I'm 60 c-c for a level tt fistful road bike). I told
him teasingly that I was going to broadcast this -- even then he was known
for proselytizing about big frames -- and he said, "Don't you dare."

On Sun, Aug 25, 2024 at 6:57 AM Sarah Carlson 
wrote:

> Their gentle suggestion... "Do not EVEN try to get Grant to do this."
>
> On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 8:02:12 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Will asked for a curated photo-shoot this morning.  Of course I was happy
>> to oblige.  Will indicated it was Grant who was concerned that others would
>> demand that Riv replicate the Lindsay treatment, which is why Will put in
>> the language that Riv can't replicate my build.
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
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RE: [RBW] Re: The Lightest Rivendell

[Bernard Duhon]

So stephen, what did you get the weight down to??

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Stephen
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2024 11:53 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: The Lightest Rivendell

I'm sure I don't have the lightest one, but I've put a little effort into 
turning my ram into a lightweight road bike. Splurged for king Ti bottle cages, 
ti brooks, and ebay curated the drivetrain to be a STI shimagnolo. Only things 
to lighten up at this point I think would be to switch to a titanium seatpost 
and switch up the wheelset. I'll try and take an updated photo today.
On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 9:03:14 AM UTC-7 
brenton...@gmail.com wrote:
Who's got it?

I've seen beautiful lightweight lugged road bikes with super light modern 
components, but they usually are not Rivs. Has anyone gone full out shaving 
grams off a Roadeo, Roadini, or older Riv model?

I know we're not weight weenies here, I'm certainly not. I did get the itch 
after building up my Roadini to make it even lighter (and faster?). However, 
the reason I love Rivs is that they are IMO the best blend of aesthetic beauty, 
reliable, durable, (fast seems to come last which is fine). My build was a 
tightly budgeted mix of parts bin, eBay NOS, and new parts. Would I try carbon 
wheels on it? Yes! Would I spend a bunch of money? No.

It does seem like in the last decade, the gravel itch has spread, and there 
could be some high end road bike parts floating around for low prices. I'm just 
brainstorming about what my winter project will be.
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Re: [RBW] The Lightest Rivendell

[Patrick Moore]

Hah! The very standard 26" wheels for my 2003 Curt -- Sun M14A "semi-aero"
rims + 32 Revolution spokes with alum nipples and 8 speed Ultegra hubs +
Velox -- came in at under 1550 w/o QRs.

On Sun, Aug 25, 2024 at 2:50 PM Bernard Duhon 
wrote:

> Because of the rush to carbon wheels & disc brakes the Ebay market for rim
> brake “racing” wheels if very soft.
>
> I have seen 1,500gram wheelsets that were $1,100.00 new selling for
> $400.00.
>
>
>
> OF course with wheels you are taking a chance on the wear they may have
> been thru.
>
>
>
> I have some lightly used campy protons I could let go if you are
> interested.
>
>
>
> Bernard
>
>
>
> *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Brent Eastman
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 25, 2024 11:03 AM
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
> *Subject:* [RBW] The Lightest Rivendell
>
>
>
> Who's got it?
>
>
>
> I've seen beautiful lightweight lugged road bikes with super light modern
> components, but they usually are not Rivs. Has anyone gone full out shaving
> grams off a Roadeo, Roadini, or older Riv model?
>
>
>
> I know we're not weight weenies here, I'm certainly not. I did get the
> itch after building up my Roadini to make it even lighter (and faster?).
> However, the reason I love Rivs is that they are IMO the best blend of
> aesthetic beauty, reliable, durable, (fast seems to come last which is
> fine). My build was a tightly budgeted mix of parts bin, eBay NOS, and new
> parts. Would I try carbon wheels on it? Yes! Would I spend a bunch of
> money? No.
>
>
>
> It does seem like in the last decade, the gravel itch has spread, and
> there could be some high end road bike parts floating around for low
> prices. I'm just brainstorming about what my winter project will be.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Iterations on my Purple RoadUno

[Laing Conley]

Grips, saddle and pedals are not included on the completes. All of the
“touch points” are left to the user.
Mine is supposed to be here on Thursday - long way to Florida.

Laing
Delray Beach FL

On Sun, Aug 25, 2024 at 4:50 PM ian m  wrote:

> Get the bottle cages direct from the source at  https://kingcage.com
> There's options, they're worth it, &c.
>
> On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 1:11:49 PM UTC-4 mvie...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm hoping for enough iterations I end up calling it the RoadXO...  ;)
>>
>> Out of the box yesterday evening - after a couple of calls UPS, and
>> thinking I really need to start a daily reading of MEDITATIONS by Marcus
>> Aurelius.
>> Out of the box everything was in good shape. I need to ask Will (at
>> Rivendell) if I should have had grips in the box or now. No big shakes
>> there as I've got a roll of CampAndGoSlow eastern rattler bar tape just for
>> this bike.
>> Planning to ride it RivBike-stock for a little while. I'm recycling my
>> Brooks B17, a Crane Bell, and eventually some fenders.
>> I got the MKS pedals new. A very short spin down the block in flip flops
>> earned them 5 stars 'out of the box'.  I still need to pick up some bottle
>> cages. I like the  Iris King cage deals, but they are sold out at RivBike.
>> Probably I'll end up with just the silver Jim's cage from TANKA, maybe.
>> Oh, and I got a Count Von Count sticker for the bike.
>> Next iterations:
>>  - S-A 2spd kickback up (need to see if the cogs match between the stock
>> wheel and my S-A)
>>  - Add my
>>
>>- Melvinator,
>>- Shimano 600 FD,
>>- Silver DT shifter, and
>>- 44t chainring
>>
>> - I'd like to go drop bar, I think. Maybe next spring. I've got a Surly
>> SteamRoller set up fixed that's drop bar. So maybe I won't.
>> OK - that's it for now. I'll add a ride report when I go get this thing
>> dirty. Probably Thursday or Friday when the get the Boss-Lady Permissions /
>> Cataract Recovery Restrictions lifted.
>> cheers.
>> [image: IMG_7289[1].JPG]
>>
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[RBW] Re: Your thoughts on a Rivesdale (Riv + Clydesdale)?

[ian m]

IMO, it will look fine. It looks fine on vintage MTB commuter builds and a 
lot of those are dressed like Rivs anyway. At worst it may look like your 
Riv is slumming it (especially with a milk crate on the rack) which you 
could lean into, or you could paint the rack and put something kitschy on 
it and have fun with it. It'll look fine. It won't permanently effect the 
bike so no harm in giving it a shot.

BUT, I do think you'll lose everything about riding that Riv that you once 
loved. I do not have experience with a Clydesdale fork, but I do have 
experience with proper cargo bikes and also with carrying too much on a 
porteur rack, and I think the difference between the two is not dissimilar 
to the distance between riding a Rivendell and riding a bone-stock early 
90s Specialized Hard Rock with albatross bars. Heavy cargo directly above 
the steering axis that is not isolated from the turning of the handlebar 
and wheel does not make for a fun ride. Cinderblock flop

It sounds like you're a bikeguy, and probably live in NYC, so if the draw 
of the clydesdale is the ease of use/carrying/storage of a small footprint 
bike, I'd suggest looking at the Omnium mini models as a replacement or 
supplement for your fleet.
On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 1:28:28 PM UTC-4 NYCbikeguy wrote:

> I've become more of a utilitarian over the years in outlook and lifestyle 
> and I love the idea of a cargo bike. But I'm not sure the Rivbike ethos 
> meshes well with that of a cargo bike. Either way, I got the opportunity to 
> get one for cheap and so I'm thinking I'm contemplating whether I 
> should even try it on a riv or just go straight for the vintage MTB. What 
> do you all think? Will there be too much of a clash between the brutalist 
> utilitarian fork and the classy lugs of a Rivbike?
>
> Best,
> IY
> NYC/CT
>
>

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[RBW] Deore V-brake spring adjustment screw size?

[Stephen Merelman]

I installed a pair of hand-me-down V brakes today and discovered that one 
tension screw was rounding out and the other did not, in point of fact, 
exist. 

The internet tells me these screws are cheap and common in Britain, but 
weirdly expensive in the U.S. Is it just a regular M3 x 8mm that I could 
pick up at the hardware store? 

smm

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Re: [RBW] Re: Your thoughts on a Rivesdale (Riv + Clydesdale)?

[NYCbikeguy]

Ian,

Thanks for your perspective! The name of the game here is CHEAP, so I'm not 
sure gettin a whole new dedicated cargo bike will be the direction I'll 
ever go in. But good to know!
This won't be in any way a crazy hauler, so I'm not too worried about poor 
handling. It'll just be a bike that'll be used once in a while for grocery 
trips and fun picnics. We all have a fleet of bikes, so we can pick and 
choose which bike to ride, depending on your mood or the goal of the day. 

Laing,

That clementine looks out of this world! I think I'd definitely invest in a 
steering lock/ steerstopper like yours with the extra cargo up front. With 
too much "uprightness" of the clem, do you find yourself handling the bike 
in a way that's unnatural? I can imagine the long chainstay of the clem 
would help, but something about the balance of the bike looks precarious. 
Would love some more info on your build! 

Thanks
 
On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 6:50:07 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> The Clementine/Clem Smith Jr works great with the Clydesdale fork. 
>
> Laing
>
> On Sun, Aug 25, 2024 at 6:33 PM ian m  wrote:
>
>> IMO, it will look fine. It looks fine on vintage MTB commuter builds and 
>> a lot of those are dressed like Rivs anyway. At worst it may look like your 
>> Riv is slumming it (especially with a milk crate on the rack) which you 
>> could lean into, or you could paint the rack and put something kitschy on 
>> it and have fun with it. It'll look fine. It won't permanently effect the 
>> bike so no harm in giving it a shot.
>>
>> BUT, I do think you'll lose everything about riding that Riv that you 
>> once loved. I do not have experience with a Clydesdale fork, but I do have 
>> experience with proper cargo bikes and also with carrying too much on a 
>> porteur rack, and I think the difference between the two is not dissimilar 
>> to the distance between riding a Rivendell and riding a bone-stock early 
>> 90s Specialized Hard Rock with albatross bars. Heavy cargo directly above 
>> the steering axis that is not isolated from the turning of the handlebar 
>> and wheel does not make for a fun ride. Cinderblock flop
>>
>> It sounds like you're a bikeguy, and probably live in NYC, so if the draw 
>> of the clydesdale is the ease of use/carrying/storage of a small footprint 
>> bike, I'd suggest looking at the Omnium mini models as a replacement or 
>> supplement for your fleet.
>> On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 1:28:28 PM UTC-4 NYCbikeguy wrote:
>>
>>> I've become more of a utilitarian over the years in outlook and 
>>> lifestyle and I love the idea of a cargo bike. But I'm not sure the Rivbike 
>>> ethos meshes well with that of a cargo bike. Either way, I got the 
>>> opportunity to get one for cheap and so I'm thinking I'm contemplating 
>>> whether I should even try it on a riv or just go straight for the vintage 
>>> MTB. What do you all think? Will there be too much of a clash between the 
>>> brutalist utilitarian fork and the classy lugs of a Rivbike?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> IY
>>> NYC/CT
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Your thoughts on a Rivesdale (Riv + Clydesdale)?

[Jason Fuller]

I've considered doing this as well. I had the opportunity to own a Surly 
with a Clydesdale fork but ended up not keeping it long term because I 
found that when loaded up beyond about 20 lbs, it didn't handle very well, 
and for my purposes it made more sense to load up a pair of roomy panniers 
most of the time. It's certainly a nice way to carry bulky, lower density 
loads and there is a joy in just tossing stuff in the big basket / bin on 
the front, but overall my feedback would be: it's not going to entirely 
ruin a Rivendell or anything, nor is a Rivendell *that* sacred (I might 
catch hell for saying such things), but I think the combination of the 
aesthetic and functional drawbacks will get you in the end. The one bike 
I'd totally try one on, despite all I've said so far, is the Clem L. That 
would be a neat rig. For most people I think a Pass & Stow makes more sense 
though. 

On Sunday 25 August 2024 at 10:28:28 UTC-7 NYCbikeguy wrote:

> I've become more of a utilitarian over the years in outlook and lifestyle 
> and I love the idea of a cargo bike. But I'm not sure the Rivbike ethos 
> meshes well with that of a cargo bike. Either way, I got the opportunity to 
> get one for cheap and so I'm thinking I'm contemplating whether I 
> should even try it on a riv or just go straight for the vintage MTB. What 
> do you all think? Will there be too much of a clash between the brutalist 
> utilitarian fork and the classy lugs of a Rivbike?
>
> Best,
> IY
> NYC/CT
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ro-Deux-No build notes New Bike Day

[Bill Lindsay]

You've told that story a hundred times, and I still don't comprehend what 
the "this" is that you were threatening to broadcast but that Grant did not 
want you to broadcast.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 1:50:28 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Lol. When I ordered my first road custom in late 1994 I asked Grant to 
> build me a road bike like my '92 XO-1 but "better." (He said, "Oh, it'll be 
> better.")
>
> He used the AR as a basic template tho' with road tubing and lugs, so it 
> was 54 cm c-c (again, I'm 60 c-c for a level tt fistful road bike). I told 
> him teasingly that I was going to broadcast this -- even then he was known 
> for proselytizing about big frames -- and he said, "Don't you dare."
>
> On Sun, Aug 25, 2024 at 6:57 AM Sarah Carlson  
> wrote:
>
>> Their gentle suggestion... "Do not EVEN try to get Grant to do this." 
>>
>> On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 8:02:12 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Will asked for a curated photo-shoot this morning.  Of course I was 
>>> happy to oblige.  Will indicated it was Grant who was concerned that others 
>>> would demand that Riv replicate the Lindsay treatment, which is why Will 
>>> put in the language that Riv can't replicate my build.  
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Your thoughts on a Rivesdale (Riv + Clydesdale)?

[Jason Fuller]

Hah, I didn't scroll down to see Laing's Clem L before writing my previous 
post. 

On Sunday 25 August 2024 at 19:09:24 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I've considered doing this as well. I had the opportunity to own a Surly 
> with a Clydesdale fork but ended up not keeping it long term because I 
> found that when loaded up beyond about 20 lbs, it didn't handle very well, 
> and for my purposes it made more sense to load up a pair of roomy panniers 
> most of the time. It's certainly a nice way to carry bulky, lower density 
> loads and there is a joy in just tossing stuff in the big basket / bin on 
> the front, but overall my feedback would be: it's not going to entirely 
> ruin a Rivendell or anything, nor is a Rivendell *that* sacred (I might 
> catch hell for saying such things), but I think the combination of the 
> aesthetic and functional drawbacks will get you in the end. The one bike 
> I'd totally try one on, despite all I've said so far, is the Clem L. That 
> would be a neat rig. For most people I think a Pass & Stow makes more sense 
> though. 
>
> On Sunday 25 August 2024 at 10:28:28 UTC-7 NYCbikeguy wrote:
>
>> I've become more of a utilitarian over the years in outlook and lifestyle 
>> and I love the idea of a cargo bike. But I'm not sure the Rivbike ethos 
>> meshes well with that of a cargo bike. Either way, I got the opportunity to 
>> get one for cheap and so I'm thinking I'm contemplating whether I 
>> should even try it on a riv or just go straight for the vintage MTB. What 
>> do you all think? Will there be too much of a clash between the brutalist 
>> utilitarian fork and the classy lugs of a Rivbike?
>>
>> Best,
>> IY
>> NYC/CT
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Replacement tires for Soma Shikoro 42 x 622mm (700 x 42) cream sidewalls

[Jason Fuller]

I'm also a big fan of the Rene Herse, and find the Endurance casing to be 
quite robust and comparable to the Shikoro's but with improved ride feel 
and traction.  I would also suggest considering the Teravail Washburn in 
this size, which features some cornering knobs for a little more confidence 
off-pavement or off-season pavement with dirt and debris. They are a little 
slower, but work great and have added versatility. 

On Saturday 24 August 2024 at 05:22:27 UTC-7 rmulc...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just my experience: Rene Herse roll really fast, but they're expensive and 
> I would try them tubed because set up tubeless on my hilsen they have been 
> a huge pain -- weepy sealant and you can't go two days without having to 
> top off the air. So I'll be switching to ultradynamico slicks, which I've 
> had good luck with. For what it's worth my wife has specialized pathfinders 
> on her Joe App (650bx47) -- they don't roll as fast as RH but I've never 
> once had to put air in them in six months. I think given the choice between 
> no-fuss and a little more speed, I favor the former.
>
> On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 3:02:36 PM UTC-4 Chris Halasz wrote:
>
>> I went down to the local bike co-op to drop off a bunch of like-new 
>> stuff, and purchased a 38mm Conti touring something or other, and a 43mm 
>> GravelKing SS+, $20 for both basically new tires. 
>>
>> Slight difference in cushion from the previous RH Oracle Ridge tires, 
>> slight road performance improvement from the Oracle Ridges (I suppose I am 
>> the uncommon proponent of Grant's outlook on tires). I found I was leading 
>> all of the group ride climbs, by a lot, whereas I was front third of the 
>> pack on the RH tires. 
>>
>> The mismatched 43mm front and 38mm rear reminds me of the old 69er Ibis 
>> Mt Trials bike (but it shouldn't), makes me happy to enjoy stuff someone 
>> else couldn't. 
>>
>> On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 11:10:22 AM UTC-7 Gene B wrote:
>>
>>> They are not 42s, but I really like my SimWorks Volummy 700 x 38s that I 
>>> set up tubeless on my drop bar gravel bike. Someone correct me if I'm 
>>> wrong, but to the touch, their peanut butter sidewall appears to be similar 
>>> to RH's endurance options
>>> On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 12:49:31 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>>
 I'm sure I won't be the only one to recommend Rene Herse tires. I have 
 some regret getting the standard casing, as I had more than a couple of 
 flats on my suburban commute. Glass that any Schwalbe tire would shrug off 
 just works it's way in there.  The same with small wires. I run tubes.

 Tom

 On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 6:16:23 PM UTC-4 dajo...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> My Soma Shikoro tires need to be replaced.  I'm seeking 
> recommendations from the hive.  The new tires will be paired with 700C 
> Velocity NoBS wheels.  I ride mostly on pavement, but the tires need to 
> be 
> able to handle gravel, too.  Suggestions?



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Re: [RBW] Re: Ro-Deux-No build notes New Bike Day

[Bill Lindsay]

What was it that Patrick Moore teasingly threatened to broadcast that Grant 
did not want broadcast?

A. That Grant would design a 54cm frame for an adult human that thinks they 
need a 60cm frame?
B. That Grant would allow "road" tubing to be used in an all-rounder clone?
C. That Grant would charge for a custom what was actually just an 
All-Rounder and not a new design?
D. Some other thing?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 7:09:46 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> You've told that story a hundred times, and I still don't comprehend what 
> the "this" is that you were threatening to broadcast but that Grant did not 
> want you to broadcast.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 1:50:28 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Lol. When I ordered my first road custom in late 1994 I asked Grant to 
>> build me a road bike like my '92 XO-1 but "better." (He said, "Oh, it'll be 
>> better.")
>>
>> He used the AR as a basic template tho' with road tubing and lugs, so it 
>> was 54 cm c-c (again, I'm 60 c-c for a level tt fistful road bike). I told 
>> him teasingly that I was going to broadcast this -- even then he was known 
>> for proselytizing about big frames -- and he said, "Don't you dare."
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 25, 2024 at 6:57 AM Sarah Carlson  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Their gentle suggestion... "Do not EVEN try to get Grant to do this." 
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 8:02:12 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Will asked for a curated photo-shoot this morning.  Of course I was 
 happy to oblige.  Will indicated it was Grant who was concerned that 
 others 
 would demand that Riv replicate the Lindsay treatment, which is why Will 
 put in the language that Riv can't replicate my build.  

 BL in EC

>>>
>>

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[RBW] WTT: Paul Tall & Handsome 27.2 Seatpost Silver (Satin) for a Polished Silver

[Dave in Los Angeles]

I have a Paul Tall & Handsome Silver (Satin) that was in a bike for minimal 
time and is almost completely new. I'm building a new bike now that MUST 
HAVE (haha) a polished Paul. 

Thanks for reading!

Dave


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[RBW] WTB: While I'm at it, here's a short(ish) list of stuff I'm looking for!

[Dave in Los Angeles]

Phil Wood 15t Track Cog
Phil Wood Classic Track high flange front hub 100mm silver polished 32h 
Salsa or Phil silver polished seat post QR clamp 29.8/30.0 ID

Thanks for taking the time to look.

Dave

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[RBW] Re: WTB: While I'm at it, here's a short(ish) list of stuff I'm looking for!

[Dave in Los Angeles]

One Paul MiniMoto in silver polish with matching right lever too!

D



On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 10:58:30 PM UTC-7 Dave in Los Angeles wrote:

> Phil Wood 15t Track Cog
> Phil Wood Classic Track high flange front hub 100mm silver polished 32h 
> Salsa or Phil silver polished seat post QR clamp 29.8/30.0 ID
>
> Thanks for taking the time to look.
>
> Dave
>

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