Re: [RBW] Re: Horses and Donkeys

[Bill Lindsay]

I think of burro as a small donkey, and I think of both of them being 
smarter, and more cautious than horses.  They are definitely cute.  Burros 
in particular can pull off a hat/bandanna ensemble that would knock your 
socks off.  IMO

BL in EC

On Monday, July 22, 2024 at 6:50:57 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Is a burro prettier? Better teeth, perhaps? Donkey teeth is an insult, 
> probably.  I can be a burro. 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 22, 2024, at 2:00 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Leah
>
>
> You've got more of a burro vibe, in my view of the universe.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, July 22, 2024 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I just got back from northern Michigan’s Ride Around Torch Lake. Best 
>> tour I’ve done yet. So fun. So many riders. But again, back to square one 
>> with the prejudice when the hordes of stereotypical roadies see me on the 
>> tour. I giggled with my sister about some of it on the phone today.
>>
>>
>> My sister said, I always think you’re riding a donkey. You have a donkey. 
>> Everyone is riding a horse and Leah brought a donkey! Donkeys are so 
>> powerful and you can saddle them with an incredible amount of weight. When 
>> you charge up hills, pull liters and liters of water out of your bag AND a 
>> change of clothes you know everyone with a horse is looking at you like 
>> you’re a loon. They are carrying one little bottle to keep their horses 
>> light and you’ve packed down your donkey. Everyone underestimates the 
>> donkey. I’m going to change your name in my phone to Donkey.
>>
>>
>> There was one other donkey on the ride. I’ll send pics of both in the 
>> next post.
>>
>>
>> Who else loves their donkey?!
>>
>> Leah
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Horses and Donkeys

[Mike Rossi]

I believe donkey and burro are the same animal. But, I like to think that a mule has better teeth as a fellow I know always greets me with, “there’s Smiley, grinning like a mule eating briars”.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 23, 2024, at 10:56 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:I think of burro as a small donkey, and I think of both of them being smarter, and more cautious than horses.  They are definitely cute.  Burros in particular can pull off a hat/bandanna ensemble that would knock your socks off.  IMOBL in ECOn Monday, July 22, 2024 at 6:50:57 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Is a burro prettier? Better teeth, perhaps? Donkey teeth is an insult, probably.  I can be a burro. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 22, 2024, at 2:00 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:LeahYou've got more of a burro vibe, in my view of the universe.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Monday, July 22, 2024 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I just got back from northern Michigan’s Ride Around Torch Lake. Best tour I’ve done yet. So fun. So many riders. But again, back to square one with the prejudice when the hordes of stereotypical roadies see me on the tour. I giggled with my sister about some of it on the phone today.My sister said, I always think you’re riding a donkey. You have a donkey. Everyone is riding a horse and Leah brought a donkey! Donkeys are so powerful and you can saddle them with an incredible amount of weight. When you charge up hills, pull liters and liters of water out of your bag AND a change of clothes you know everyone with a horse is looking at you like you’re a loon. They are carrying one little bottle to keep their horses light and you’ve packed down your donkey. Everyone underestimates the donkey. I’m going to change your name in my phone to Donkey.There was one other donkey on the ride. I’ll send pics of both in the next post.Who else loves their donkey?!Leah



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[RBW] Pair Panaracer Gravelking 38 for sale, $90

[Eric Doelling]

new in July 2024
https://www.rivbike.com/products/zg645azzakjhseg-lka
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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr L Baba Fiets

[Michael Baquerizo]

Nice! If you don't have any experience with rear yepps, i'd spring for the 
frame mounted one. now that they've upgraded to the slimmer metal bars on 
the maxi, it makes the whole interface a lot less intrusive. i had a rack 
mounted one and it meant whenever i wasn't with my kid i had this ugly 
thing on my rear rack. 

yours looks a lot more spritely than mine, although once its moving i feel 
like it can really go. 

On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 10:31:14 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> Nice looking Clem, Michael! I think the Clem is a perfect bike for toting 
> kids. I recently shipped my old 64cm Clem L from Brooklyn to Florida for a 
> kid-toting beach cruiser to keep at the in-laws'. Some pics here. Thinking 
> next time we're down, I'll switch to a rear-mounted Yepp Maxi. This one is 
> set up as a single-speed with a chain tensioner and a double up front but 
> no FD. I do the Will Keating trick and foot shift if I need to (or stop and 
> manually shift it with my keys). It's set up on a 42-26t Clipper crank with 
> a 16t cog. The only time I need to switch to the granny gear is if I'm in 
> loose sand at the beach. It's a fun ride to say the least. 
> [image: IMG_6207.jpg][image: IMG_6270.jpg][image: IMG_6297.jpg]
>
> On Monday, July 22, 2024 at 10:34:53 PM UTC-4 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
>> For father's day (aka the day of excuses) I decided to build up a bike to 
>> take my kid around on in the city. 
>>
>> I actually began this journey a while ago, when I found this yepp budget 
>> on craigslist. as theyre not available in the states, i jumped on it. 
>>
>> a year + later, after my kid had sized out of a yepp maxi, I purchased 
>> this clem complete off of craigslist as well, and decked it out with some 
>> bits I had in the bin, as well as some parts needed to make it so we could 
>> both ride together. 
>>
>> now, complete with spoke guard, his own handle bars, and various other 
>> accoutrements i present the (almost done) baba (mandarin for dad and what 
>> my kid calls me) fiets. Obvious inspiration comes from dutch mama fiets.
>>
>> We have a week off together, where we'll mostly be getting around on bike 
>> - but we've also been riding it around since fathers day. 
>>
>> There are some issues. It's not perfect, but its still a great bike to 
>> ride. With his added weight its pretty flexy. The yepp seat comes with feet 
>> mounts that I can't get to stay in place. Will be trying some bar tape at 
>> the clamp area, as well as some loctite. 
>>
>> Yepp budgets aren't available here and I imagine its because whoever 
>> oversees these sorts of products hasnt deemed them safe for the bike 
>> infrastructure the US has. that said, my kids been on a back bike seat 
>> since he was legally allowed to so I have a level of trust in him. 
>>
>> The bars for him, were an amazon purchase, theyre terrible quality but 
>> they fit the application. I removed the grips, threw on some ESIs and taped 
>> them riv style. 
>>
>> There are a lot of pros - the clem really is the perfect platform. I 
>> bought one for my wife and like it more for country use than my appaloosa. 
>> Getting this second one was a no brainer. The microshift shifters are the 
>> best friction shifter i've used. Worlds better than silver, and marginally 
>> better than shimano's offering (i've used 10s and 9 s). The new (old, i 
>> know) grip kings ACTUALLY grip, unlike the old style which gets quite 
>> slippery, especially when wet. The bike came with a B17S and it's turning 
>> out to be a great saddle. I bought a sim works obento rack (instead of the 
>> riv basket rack I have on my Sam) It gets the job done, and I can easily 
>> transfer my bag between both bikes. I won't max it out quite like I do on 
>> the basket rack 
>>
>> The bike still needs some bits. I want a double kickstand on there 
>> because I dont like not having one, I REALLY want one of those Hebie 
>> Elastomer wheel stabilizes that Somafab sells, just waiting for a sale (or 
>> i'll order it from Europe), I want to get a Nalgene sized bottle cage to 
>> use as a reservoir for summer time hydration AND finally, I'd love to throw 
>> a dynamo + lights on there. Since I'm mostly riding during the day this is 
>> the least pressing, but it will happen...eventually. 
>>
>> Sorry for the single pic, although i've basically never had luck 
>> uploading multiple photos on the this platform, so the one will have to do.
>>
>> [image: IMG_1663.jpeg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Prototype mountain bike for sale

[maxcr]

In case you missed this: 
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9nB2DOuGJC/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 12:17:31 AM UTC-4 R. Alexis wrote:

> I was always curious what the the original Rivendell Mountain fork crown 
> was supposed to look like. Per Rivendell Reader Grant writes: 
>
> "The Rivendell mountain crown is less ornate, but it’s not your basic 
> TIG-welded unicrown. The fork blades are silver-brazed to a beautiful cast 
> lug, which distributes stress better than a TIG weld. It’s based on a 
> design Waterford wanted to sell to S, after the separation, but it had the 
> misfortune of being conceived at about the same time as suspension forks, 
> so marketing forces snuffed it before it could ever be made. I saw the 
> design, liked it, and added the shoulder window. No place for an epaulet!"
>
> The description leaves a lot to the imagination. I was a little 
> disappointed that The Rivendell Mountain didn't have its own specific 
> design lugs. Don't know how I would have felt if it turned out to be the 
> lugged uni-crown design. I know at that point I was expecting something 
> similar to the Ritchey designed Bi-plane fork crown from the recent 
> Bridgestone Cycle days. 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Reginald Alexis
>
> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 9:48:59 AM UTC-5 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jul 6, 2024, at 10:42 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> Wasn't the original Riv mountain bike built generally along the lines of 
>> the All Rounder which was modeled on the Bridgestone XOs, thus with far 
>> lower stack than later Rivs?
>>
>>
>> The Bridgestone to Riv jump was:
>> RB -> Road
>> XO -> All Rounder
>> MB -> ATB
>>
>> The geometry on my Riv ATB was very close to the MB-1. The ATB was 
>> originally supposed to have a fork crown that looked something like a 
>> lugged unicrown. There was no way to bend the 753 blades to work that way, 
>> so they ended up using the All Rounder fork crowns, instead. 
>>
>> At the time Grant was starting to include top tube upslope even on road 
>> frames, plus an extended head tube and spacers in the headset to “get da 
>> bars up dere”.  I remember the Reader copy trying to sell the idea and 
>> saying “it’s barely noticeable”, acknowledging the resistance people had to 
>> something that might look weird. Then the bike industry adopted the idea of 
>> “compact frame” geometry with sloping top tubes and sold it as a way to 
>> make frames lighter and stiffer, and suddenly sloped top tubes on road 
>> bikes were cool. It was a while later than the big bike companies started 
>> selling “endurance” road bikes with the sloping top tube and extended head 
>> tube to have a higher bar height. 
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI USA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Horses and Donkeys

[Eric Daume]

Sorry all, burro is already claimed for bikes. Here's an example I found:

https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/1300949

Somehow, those fat 20" wheels don't look so odd anymore.

Eric

On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 11:44 AM Mike Rossi  wrote:

> I believe donkey and burro are the same animal. But, I like to think that
> a mule has better teeth as a fellow I know always greets me with, “there’s
> Smiley, grinning like a mule eating briars”.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 23, 2024, at 10:56 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> I think of burro as a small donkey, and I think of both of them being
> smarter, and more cautious than horses.  They are definitely cute.  Burros
> in particular can pull off a hat/bandanna ensemble that would knock your
> socks off.  IMO
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Monday, July 22, 2024 at 6:50:57 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> Is a burro prettier? Better teeth, perhaps? Donkey teeth is an insult,
>> probably.  I can be a burro.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 22, 2024, at 2:00 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> Leah
>>
>>
>> You've got more of a burro vibe, in my view of the universe.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, July 22, 2024 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just got back from northern Michigan’s Ride Around Torch Lake. Best
>>> tour I’ve done yet. So fun. So many riders. But again, back to square one
>>> with the prejudice when the hordes of stereotypical roadies see me on the
>>> tour. I giggled with my sister about some of it on the phone today.
>>>
>>>
>>> My sister said, I always think you’re riding a donkey. You have a
>>> donkey. Everyone is riding a horse and Leah brought a donkey! Donkeys are
>>> so powerful and you can saddle them with an incredible amount of weight.
>>> When you charge up hills, pull liters and liters of water out of your bag
>>> AND a change of clothes you know everyone with a horse is looking at you
>>> like you’re a loon. They are carrying one little bottle to keep their
>>> horses light and you’ve packed down your donkey. Everyone underestimates
>>> the donkey. I’m going to change your name in my phone to Donkey.
>>>
>>>
>>> There was one other donkey on the ride. I’ll send pics of both in the
>>> next post.
>>>
>>>
>>> Who else loves their donkey?!
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
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[RBW] Nine is fine! 1x9 drivetrains in 2024. Who else is doing it?

[Michael Morrissey]

I think it was Bike Snob NYC who said that a lot of the fun of riding a 
Rivendell is combining components that aren't meant to go together and 
seeing if they work. On my Rivendell I have a 1x9 drivetrain. I use a SRAM 
GX 10 speed clutch derailleur, Silver 1 shifter on a thumbie, a narrow-wide 
Wolftooth chainring, a 9 speed Connex chain, and a 34 toothed 9 speed 
cassette. It all works great.

I was wondering what other 1x9 drivetrains people here are using, and if 
anyone has experience with any new 1x9 systems. Microshift, Shimano CUES, 
and Box components are all new options within the last few years. I'm also 
considering a SRAM GX Eagle crankset on my bike. Has anyone tried this with 
a 1x9?

I am also interested in any high-end 9 speed cassettes (like SRAM's PG990, 
with an aluminum spider). Anyone holding a NOS one? SRAM has 10 speed 
cassettes that are very high end still available, and I might switch to one 
of those because of availability. 

Thoughts?

Michael






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[RBW] Re: Tosco Bars (to the rescue!)

[Michael Morrissey]

This looks fantastic. Trek certainly did something right with their old 
steel frames. I also have the 31.8 Tosco bars on my bike, and they're 
incredible.

Michael


On Monday, July 22, 2024 at 8:17:25 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> Steve,
>
> This looks great. Always fun to build up a cheap but good bike for certain 
> errands, camping trips, etc.
> I actually just did a similar treatment to a 1997 Trek 720 Multitrack 
> (ostensibly for one of my sons...)
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> -Dave
>
> On Sunday, July 21, 2024 at 11:21:02 AM UTC-4 Steve wrote:
>
>> I picked up a 1990 Trek 520 over the winter. The price was right and I 
>> had been scouting for a used bike I could pack into the back of my small 
>> pickup along with all the rest of the camping supplies -- and not worry 
>> about scuffing it up or having to pull the fenders off (versus my favored 
>> Platypus which had proven to be a bit too looong for the task).
>>
>> But how to make the 520 comfortable for my old bones?  I fitted a VO 1" 
>> quill x 80mm with 31.8 so I could mount a Ritchey Ergomax drop bar I had 
>> sitting in the parts bin - not bad, but the reach/stack was not quite what 
>> I needed. So, I turned to RBW for a Tosco in the 650mm x 31.8 flavor. 
>> TaDa!!!
>>
>> [image: 631DEC09-4FC6-4FFA-9BA5-A2CA50353FE4_1_201_a.jpeg]
>> [image: B85D603D-8A7C-4EC1-9BC4-ED9140B29ABC_1_201_a.jpeg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Nine is fine! 1x9 drivetrains in 2024. Who else is doing it?

[Eric Daume]

If you like nine, Box has entire drivetrains on sale for about $70:

https://boxcomponents.com/products/box-three-p9-wide-multi-shift-groupset

I picked one up for some indeterminate future project.

Eric

On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 3:04 PM Michael Morrissey <
michaelgmorris...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think it was Bike Snob NYC who said that a lot of the fun of riding a
> Rivendell is combining components that aren't meant to go together and
> seeing if they work. On my Rivendell I have a 1x9 drivetrain. I use a SRAM
> GX 10 speed clutch derailleur, Silver 1 shifter on a thumbie, a narrow-wide
> Wolftooth chainring, a 9 speed Connex chain, and a 34 toothed 9 speed
> cassette. It all works great.
>
> I was wondering what other 1x9 drivetrains people here are using, and if
> anyone has experience with any new 1x9 systems. Microshift, Shimano CUES,
> and Box components are all new options within the last few years. I'm also
> considering a SRAM GX Eagle crankset on my bike. Has anyone tried this with
> a 1x9?
>
> I am also interested in any high-end 9 speed cassettes (like SRAM's PG990,
> with an aluminum spider). Anyone holding a NOS one? SRAM has 10 speed
> cassettes that are very high end still available, and I might switch to one
> of those because of availability.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Nine is fine! 1x9 drivetrains in 2024. Who else is doing it?

[DavidP]

My Platypus is 2x7, but my more off-roadish, 650x48 all-road bike* is setup 
1x9 with:
- Wolftooth 42t front ring
- Microshift Advent 11-42t cassette
- KMC X9 chain
- Inexpensive Shimano-ish (but not Shimano) non-clutched 9 speed derailleur 
on a short hanger extension
- Friction Sunrace bar end shifter (though my understanding is this setup 
would index fine as Advent derailleur pull requires matched shifters but 
the cassette spacing is Shimano/SRAM)

It works very well.

-Dave

*To borrow a designation from Bill and distinguish it from my more roadish 
all-road bike (700x42, 2x9) and my drop bar, mostly off-road bike 
(29x.2.25, 1x8)

On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 3:50:57 PM UTC-4 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:

> I'm running a 1x9 drivetrain on my Clem H, using the MicroShift Advent 
> system (in friction mode). 
>
> For what I use this bike for (off-road, errands , general transportation), 
> this set-up works really well. I love the simplicity, and it's a good 
> value. 
>
> Chainring: White Industries ENO TSR, 36 tooth
> Cassette: MicroShift Advent, CS-H093A, 9-speed, 11-42 teeth
> Rear Derailleur: MicroShift Advent, RD-M6195M medium cage clutch, 9-speed
> Shifter: MicroShift Advent, SL-M19-R, 9-speed
>
> Bob E
> Cranford, New Jesey
>
> [image: Webp.net-resizeimage.jpg]
>
> On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 3:09:01 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> If you like nine, Box has entire drivetrains on sale for about $70:
>>
>> https://boxcomponents.com/products/box-three-p9-wide-multi-shift-groupset
>>
>> I picked one up for some indeterminate future project.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 3:04 PM Michael Morrissey  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think it was Bike Snob NYC who said that a lot of the fun of riding a 
>>> Rivendell is combining components that aren't meant to go together and 
>>> seeing if they work. On my Rivendell I have a 1x9 drivetrain. I use a SRAM 
>>> GX 10 speed clutch derailleur, Silver 1 shifter on a thumbie, a narrow-wide 
>>> Wolftooth chainring, a 9 speed Connex chain, and a 34 toothed 9 speed 
>>> cassette. It all works great.
>>>
>>> I was wondering what other 1x9 drivetrains people here are using, and if 
>>> anyone has experience with any new 1x9 systems. Microshift, Shimano CUES, 
>>> and Box components are all new options within the last few years. I'm also 
>>> considering a SRAM GX Eagle crankset on my bike. Has anyone tried this with 
>>> a 1x9?
>>>
>>> I am also interested in any high-end 9 speed cassettes (like SRAM's 
>>> PG990, with an aluminum spider). Anyone holding a NOS one? SRAM has 10 
>>> speed cassettes that are very high end still available, and I might switch 
>>> to one of those because of availability. 
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] FS: 58 Rambouillet Frame/Fork/HS

[Michael Ullmer]

It's time to part ways with my Ram. It's been a great frame capable of lots 
of different build options, but overlaps too much with my Fitz Rando. 

It was sold to me as a 60, but the top tube measures 57, so it leads me to 
believe its a 58. Here's a link to the original catalog with geo chart at 
the 
end: 
https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Rambouillet.pdf

Frame is in great shape, one small dent on the top tube presumably from the 
handlebar/shifter hitting it. I've tried to capture most of the paint 
scratches. This made a great 650bx42 conversion with fenders. I used Tektro 
R559 brakes to reach the lower rim brake surface. As a 700c build, I was 
able to do 32s with fenders.

Comes with an Ultegra Headset installed and cable stops.

I'll include an original Rambouillet catalog as well.

Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/kVPXz1K3bdXdt4ax9

$750 plus shipping via ups ground.

Thanks!

Mike in Minneapolis

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Re: [RBW] Nine is fine! 1x9 drivetrains in 2024. Who else is doing it?

[NYCbikeguy]

I'm running a 1x9 on my hunqapillar with the following components:
XTR RD-m950 rapid rise
XTR SL-M970 9sp trigger shifter 
XT CS-M770 9sp 11-34t
White Industry ENO narrow wide crankset with a 36T chainring

Rides like a dream~

-IY
CT/NYC


On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 4:01:13 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> My Platypus is 2x7, but my more off-roadish, 650x48 all-road bike* is 
> setup 1x9 with:
> - Wolftooth 42t front ring
> - Microshift Advent 11-42t cassette
> - KMC X9 chain
> - Inexpensive Shimano-ish (but not Shimano) non-clutched 9 speed 
> derailleur on a short hanger extension
> - Friction Sunrace bar end shifter (though my understanding is this setup 
> would index fine as Advent derailleur pull requires matched shifters but 
> the cassette spacing is Shimano/SRAM)
>
> It works very well.
>
> -Dave
>
> *To borrow a designation from Bill and distinguish it from my more roadish 
> all-road bike (700x42, 2x9) and my drop bar, mostly off-road bike 
> (29x.2.25, 1x8)
>
> On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 3:50:57 PM UTC-4 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>
>> I'm running a 1x9 drivetrain on my Clem H, using the MicroShift Advent 
>> system (in friction mode). 
>>
>> For what I use this bike for (off-road, errands , general 
>> transportation), this set-up works really well. I love the simplicity, and 
>> it's a good value. 
>>
>> Chainring: White Industries ENO TSR, 36 tooth
>> Cassette: MicroShift Advent, CS-H093A, 9-speed, 11-42 teeth
>> Rear Derailleur: MicroShift Advent, RD-M6195M medium cage clutch, 9-speed
>> Shifter: MicroShift Advent, SL-M19-R, 9-speed
>>
>> Bob E
>> Cranford, New Jesey
>>
>> [image: Webp.net-resizeimage.jpg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 3:09:01 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> If you like nine, Box has entire drivetrains on sale for about $70:
>>>
>>> https://boxcomponents.com/products/box-three-p9-wide-multi-shift-groupset
>>>
>>> I picked one up for some indeterminate future project.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 3:04 PM Michael Morrissey  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I think it was Bike Snob NYC who said that a lot of the fun of riding a 
 Rivendell is combining components that aren't meant to go together and 
 seeing if they work. On my Rivendell I have a 1x9 drivetrain. I use a SRAM 
 GX 10 speed clutch derailleur, Silver 1 shifter on a thumbie, a 
 narrow-wide 
 Wolftooth chainring, a 9 speed Connex chain, and a 34 toothed 9 speed 
 cassette. It all works great.

 I was wondering what other 1x9 drivetrains people here are using, and 
 if anyone has experience with any new 1x9 systems. Microshift, Shimano 
 CUES, and Box components are all new options within the last few years. 
 I'm 
 also considering a SRAM GX Eagle crankset on my bike. Has anyone tried 
 this 
 with a 1x9?

 I am also interested in any high-end 9 speed cassettes (like SRAM's 
 PG990, with an aluminum spider). Anyone holding a NOS one? SRAM has 10 
 speed cassettes that are very high end still available, and I might switch 
 to one of those because of availability. 

 Thoughts?

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[RBW] Re: FS: 58 Rambouillet Frame/Fork/HS

[Hoch in ut]

For the 700x32 set up, did you use regular (short reach) brakes? 

On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 1:11:55 PM UTC-7 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> It's time to part ways with my Ram. It's been a great frame capable of 
> lots of different build options, but overlaps too much with my Fitz Rando. 
>
> It was sold to me as a 60, but the top tube measures 57, so it leads me to 
> believe its a 58. Here's a link to the original catalog with geo chart at 
> the end: 
> https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Rambouillet.pdf
>
> Frame is in great shape, one small dent on the top tube presumably from 
> the handlebar/shifter hitting it. I've tried to capture most of the paint 
> scratches. This made a great 650bx42 conversion with fenders. I used Tektro 
> R559 brakes to reach the lower rim brake surface. As a 700c build, I was 
> able to do 32s with fenders.
>
> Comes with an Ultegra Headset installed and cable stops.
>
> I'll include an original Rambouillet catalog as well.
>
> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/kVPXz1K3bdXdt4ax9
>
> $750 plus shipping via ups ground.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike in Minneapolis
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 58 Rambouillet Frame/Fork/HS

[Mike Ullmer]

Yes, I don't recall if they were short or mid reach. They weren't the
Tektro R559s

On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 4:07 PM Hoch in ut  wrote:

> For the 700x32 set up, did you use regular (short reach) brakes?
>
> On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 1:11:55 PM UTC-7 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> It's time to part ways with my Ram. It's been a great frame capable of
>> lots of different build options, but overlaps too much with my Fitz Rando.
>>
>> It was sold to me as a 60, but the top tube measures 57, so it leads me
>> to believe its a 58. Here's a link to the original catalog with geo chart
>> at the end:
>> https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Rambouillet.pdf
>>
>> Frame is in great shape, one small dent on the top tube presumably from
>> the handlebar/shifter hitting it. I've tried to capture most of the paint
>> scratches. This made a great 650bx42 conversion with fenders. I used Tektro
>> R559 brakes to reach the lower rim brake surface. As a 700c build, I was
>> able to do 32s with fenders.
>>
>> Comes with an Ultegra Headset installed and cable stops.
>>
>> I'll include an original Rambouillet catalog as well.
>>
>> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/kVPXz1K3bdXdt4ax9
>>
>> $750 plus shipping via ups ground.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Mike in Minneapolis
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 58 Rambouillet Frame/Fork/HS

[Hoch in ut]

>From the link you provided, it says 700x38 fit? Did you mean 38’s? That’s 
definitely mid-reach territory. 

On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 2:09:47 PM UTC-7 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> Yes, I don't recall if they were short or mid reach. They weren't the 
> Tektro R559s
>
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 4:07 PM Hoch in ut  wrote:
>
>> For the 700x32 set up, did you use regular (short reach) brakes? 
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 1:11:55 PM UTC-7 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>
>>> It's time to part ways with my Ram. It's been a great frame capable of 
>>> lots of different build options, but overlaps too much with my Fitz Rando. 
>>>
>>> It was sold to me as a 60, but the top tube measures 57, so it leads me 
>>> to believe its a 58. Here's a link to the original catalog with geo chart 
>>> at the end: 
>>> https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Rambouillet.pdf
>>>
>>> Frame is in great shape, one small dent on the top tube presumably from 
>>> the handlebar/shifter hitting it. I've tried to capture most of the paint 
>>> scratches. This made a great 650bx42 conversion with fenders. I used Tektro 
>>> R559 brakes to reach the lower rim brake surface. As a 700c build, I was 
>>> able to do 32s with fenders.
>>>
>>> Comes with an Ultegra Headset installed and cable stops.
>>>
>>> I'll include an original Rambouillet catalog as well.
>>>
>>> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/kVPXz1K3bdXdt4ax9
>>>
>>> $750 plus shipping via ups ground.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Mike in Minneapolis
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 58 Rambouillet Frame/Fork/HS

[Mike Ullmer]

I only did 700x32 with fenders, I never tried bigger without fenders

On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 4:15 PM Hoch in ut  wrote:

> From the link you provided, it says 700x38 fit? Did you mean 38’s? That’s
> definitely mid-reach territory.
>
> On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 2:09:47 PM UTC-7 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> Yes, I don't recall if they were short or mid reach. They weren't the
>> Tektro R559s
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 4:07 PM Hoch in ut  wrote:
>>
>>> For the 700x32 set up, did you use regular (short reach) brakes?
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 1:11:55 PM UTC-7 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>>
 It's time to part ways with my Ram. It's been a great frame capable of
 lots of different build options, but overlaps too much with my Fitz Rando.

 It was sold to me as a 60, but the top tube measures 57, so it leads me
 to believe its a 58. Here's a link to the original catalog with geo chart
 at the end:
 https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Rambouillet.pdf

 Frame is in great shape, one small dent on the top tube presumably from
 the handlebar/shifter hitting it. I've tried to capture most of the paint
 scratches. This made a great 650bx42 conversion with fenders. I used Tektro
 R559 brakes to reach the lower rim brake surface. As a 700c build, I was
 able to do 32s with fenders.

 Comes with an Ultegra Headset installed and cable stops.

 I'll include an original Rambouillet catalog as well.

 Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/kVPXz1K3bdXdt4ax9

 $750 plus shipping via ups ground.

 Thanks!

 Mike in Minneapolis

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[RBW] Lots for sale: Nitto, Paul, Brooks, Rons, etc.

[dylan green]

Selling of some primo stuff here! Everything is in lightly used condition. 

photos: 
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Ron's Fab's Chest - Small + Shovel Research Rod Steward: $320 shipped
White Industries VBC with 42t chainring: $320 shipped
Paul Thumbies with shimano 9spd bar ends: $175 shipped
Paul Neo Retro / touring brakes in silver: $200 shipped for the set (1 
whole bikes worth)
Brooks B17 Special. Copper rails: $140 shipped
Brooks C19 cutout: $100 shipped
Nitto R14 rear rack with "tombstone" - $160 shipped
Camper mini-front rack - $125 shipped
Shimano M952 rear derailleur, some scratches but not bad compared to most. 
$80 shipped
Shimano Deore LX rear derailleur. $60 shipped
Sugino triple crankset: $100 shipped
Campy mirage levers/shifters: $60 shipped
Nitto 65 27.2 seat post: $60 shipped


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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 58 Rambouillet Frame/Fork/HS

[Mike Godwin]

I had my Ram speed modulated with Suntour Superbe "normal" reach brakes, 
i.e., 57 mm reach.
Mike SLO CA

On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 2:17:53 PM UTC-7 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> I only did 700x32 with fenders, I never tried bigger without fenders
>
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 4:15 PM Hoch in ut  wrote:
>
>> From the link you provided, it says 700x38 fit? Did you mean 38’s? That’s 
>> definitely mid-reach territory. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 2:09:47 PM UTC-7 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I don't recall if they were short or mid reach. They weren't the 
>>> Tektro R559s
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 4:07 PM Hoch in ut  wrote:
>>>
 For the 700x32 set up, did you use regular (short reach) brakes? 

 On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 1:11:55 PM UTC-7 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> It's time to part ways with my Ram. It's been a great frame capable of 
> lots of different build options, but overlaps too much with my Fitz 
> Rando. 
>
> It was sold to me as a 60, but the top tube measures 57, so it leads 
> me to believe its a 58. Here's a link to the original catalog with geo 
> chart at the end: 
> https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Rambouillet.pdf
>
> Frame is in great shape, one small dent on the top tube presumably 
> from the handlebar/shifter hitting it. I've tried to capture most of the 
> paint scratches. This made a great 650bx42 conversion with fenders. I 
> used 
> Tektro R559 brakes to reach the lower rim brake surface. As a 700c build, 
> I 
> was able to do 32s with fenders.
>
> Comes with an Ultegra Headset installed and cable stops.
>
> I'll include an original Rambouillet catalog as well.
>
> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/kVPXz1K3bdXdt4ax9
>
> $750 plus shipping via ups ground.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike in Minneapolis
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Re: [RBW] Lots for sale: Nitto, Paul, Brooks, Rons, etc.

[Andrew Joseph]

Dylan,Would you consider separating the thumbies from the shifters?R,DrewSent from my iPhoneOn Jul 23, 2024, at 4:18 PM, dylan green  wrote:Selling of some primo stuff here! Everything is in lightly used condition. photos: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1muJrwtYQ2uee3Z9V9LUDN1Ls_Yk2M9NV/view?usp=sharingRon's Fab's Chest - Small + Shovel Research Rod Steward: $320 shippedWhite Industries VBC with 42t chainring: $320 shippedPaul Thumbies with shimano 9spd bar ends: $175 shippedPaul Neo Retro / touring brakes in silver: $200 shipped for the set (1 whole bikes worth)Brooks B17 Special. Copper rails: $140 shippedBrooks C19 cutout: $100 shippedNitto R14 rear rack with "tombstone" - $160 shippedCamper mini-front rack - $125 shippedShimano M952 rear derailleur, some scratches but not bad compared to most. $80 shippedShimano Deore LX rear derailleur. $60 shippedSugino triple crankset: $100 shippedCampy mirage levers/shifters: $60 shippedNitto 65 27.2 seat post: $60 shipped



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Re: [RBW] Lots for sale: Nitto, Paul, Brooks, Rons, etc.

[dylan green]

Hi! For the time being I’d like them together, but if they don’t sell I’ll let you know!Thanks,DSent from my iPhoneOn Jul 23, 2024, at 3:04 PM, Andrew Joseph  wrote:Dylan,Would you consider separating the thumbies from the shifters?R,DrewSent from my iPhoneOn Jul 23, 2024, at 4:18 PM, dylan green  wrote:Selling of some primo stuff here! Everything is in lightly used condition. photos: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1muJrwtYQ2uee3Z9V9LUDN1Ls_Yk2M9NV/view?usp=sharingRon's Fab's Chest - Small + Shovel Research Rod Steward: $320 shippedWhite Industries VBC with 42t chainring: $320 shippedPaul Thumbies with shimano 9spd bar ends: $175 shippedPaul Neo Retro / touring brakes in silver: $200 shipped for the set (1 whole bikes worth)Brooks B17 Special. Copper rails: $140 shippedBrooks C19 cutout: $100 shippedNitto R14 rear rack with "tombstone" - $160 shippedCamper mini-front rack - $125 shippedShimano M952 rear derailleur, some scratches but not bad compared to most. $80 shippedShimano Deore LX rear derailleur. $60 shippedSugino triple crankset: $100 shippedCampy mirage levers/shifters: $60 shippedNitto 65 27.2 seat post: $60 shipped



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[RBW] Paul Touring cantilever performance versus Paul Neo Retro

[Patrick Moore]

I started out with Neo Retros front and rear, found that the rears
intefered with panniers, and switched to Touring in the rear.

I can't really say that the front is more powerful than the rear; both have
very stiff housing hangers -- rear is brazed on, front is Rene Herse.

Others who have used both: can you say whether it's worth keeping the Neo
Retros in front?

Tho' I do hear that this f/r combo is not uncommon.

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 58 Rambouillet Frame/Fork/HS

[Erik Wright]

Not to derail too hard, but on the topic of Suntour Superbe brakes, I 
happen to be selling a 1st gen Suntour Superbe group (brakes, levers, DT 
shifters, FD, RD) and a campagnolo crankset in case anybody needs the parts 
to build up this frameset. $300+ship if anyone is interested.

Erik, Philly
On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 5:28:05 PM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:

> I had my Ram speed modulated with Suntour Superbe "normal" reach brakes, 
> i.e., 57 mm reach.
> Mike SLO CA
>
> On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 2:17:53 PM UTC-7 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> I only did 700x32 with fenders, I never tried bigger without fenders
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 4:15 PM Hoch in ut  wrote:
>>
>>> From the link you provided, it says 700x38 fit? Did you mean 38’s? 
>>> That’s definitely mid-reach territory. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 2:09:47 PM UTC-7 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>>
 Yes, I don't recall if they were short or mid reach. They weren't the 
 Tektro R559s

 On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 4:07 PM Hoch in ut  wrote:

> For the 700x32 set up, did you use regular (short reach) brakes? 
>
> On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 1:11:55 PM UTC-7 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> It's time to part ways with my Ram. It's been a great frame capable 
>> of lots of different build options, but overlaps too much with my Fitz 
>> Rando. 
>>
>> It was sold to me as a 60, but the top tube measures 57, so it leads 
>> me to believe its a 58. Here's a link to the original catalog with geo 
>> chart at the end: 
>> https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Rambouillet.pdf
>>
>> Frame is in great shape, one small dent on the top tube presumably 
>> from the handlebar/shifter hitting it. I've tried to capture most of the 
>> paint scratches. This made a great 650bx42 conversion with fenders. I 
>> used 
>> Tektro R559 brakes to reach the lower rim brake surface. As a 700c 
>> build, I 
>> was able to do 32s with fenders.
>>
>> Comes with an Ultegra Headset installed and cable stops.
>>
>> I'll include an original Rambouillet catalog as well.
>>
>> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/kVPXz1K3bdXdt4ax9
>>
>> $750 plus shipping via ups ground.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Mike in Minneapolis
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[RBW] Re: Paul Touring cantilever performance versus Paul Neo Retro

[J G]

I run Paul Canti brakes on a number of bikes.

The touring brake model should be more powerful than the Neo-Retro when you 
account for both the angle of the arms and the yoke angle.  As such, the 
greater mechanical advantage of the Neo-Retro arm is offset by the lower 
mechanical advantage of the yoke angle of these setups IIRC.

As such, I use Paul touring brakes F/R for rim brake 29ers and generally 
run the Neo-Retro F and Touring rear for all other bikes.  Both brakes 
perform well when setup properly with good compressionless housing.   

No wrong answers and I started with the touring ones in back many years ago 
for the same reason as you.

-Justus
Mpls, MN

On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 5:07:08 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I started out with Neo Retros front and rear, found that the rears 
> intefered with panniers, and switched to Touring in the rear. 
>
> I can't really say that the front is more powerful than the rear; both 
> have very stiff housing hangers -- rear is brazed on, front is Rene Herse.
>
> Others who have used both: can you say whether it's worth keeping the Neo 
> Retros in front?
>
> Tho' I do hear that this f/r combo is not uncommon.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Horses and Donkeys

[Bernard Duhon]

In (Louisiana donkeys are known to be aggressive and protective to young  
calves , and I put in the pasture with the calves to protect the calves from 
coyotes.

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From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Eric Daume 
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2024 1:59:44 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Horses and Donkeys

Sorry all, burro is already claimed for bikes. Here's an example I found:

https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/1300949

Somehow, those fat 20" wheels don't look so odd anymore.

Eric

On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 11:44 AM Mike Rossi 
mailto:mwillro...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I believe donkey and burro are the same animal. But, I like to think that a 
mule has better teeth as a fellow I know always greets me with, “there’s 
Smiley, grinning like a mule eating briars”.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 23, 2024, at 10:56 AM, Bill Lindsay 
mailto:tapebu...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I think of burro as a small donkey, and I think of both of them being smarter, 
and more cautious than horses.  They are definitely cute.  Burros in particular 
can pull off a hat/bandanna ensemble that would knock your socks off.  IMO

BL in EC

On Monday, July 22, 2024 at 6:50:57 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
Is a burro prettier? Better teeth, perhaps? Donkey teeth is an insult, 
probably.  I can be a burro.
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 22, 2024, at 2:00 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

Leah

You've got more of a burro vibe, in my view of the universe.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, July 22, 2024 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

I just got back from northern Michigan’s Ride Around Torch Lake. Best tour I’ve 
done yet. So fun. So many riders. But again, back to square one with the 
prejudice when the hordes of stereotypical roadies see me on the tour. I 
giggled with my sister about some of it on the phone today.


My sister said, I always think you’re riding a donkey. You have a donkey. 
Everyone is riding a horse and Leah brought a donkey! Donkeys are so powerful 
and you can saddle them with an incredible amount of weight. When you charge up 
hills, pull liters and liters of water out of your bag AND a change of clothes 
you know everyone with a horse is looking at you like you’re a loon. They are 
carrying one little bottle to keep their horses light and you’ve packed down 
your donkey. Everyone underestimates the donkey. I’m going to change your name 
in my phone to Donkey.


There was one other donkey on the ride. I’ll send pics of both in the next post.


Who else loves their donkey?!

Leah


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[RBW] Re: FS: 62 cm Rambouilet frame/fork/headset - $550

[gordo]

Sold!

On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 9:28:09 AM UTC-7 gordo wrote:

> Any takers for $500 plus shipping?  Happy to send more photos if helpful.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric
>
> On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 8:05:53 PM UTC-7 Cal Patterson wrote:
>
>> Wow that is a really sweet deal.  I just purchased (for not quiiite as 
>> good a deal!) a green 64 Ram frame, and it might already be the best riding 
>> bike I have.  Someone will be very happy with this Blue 62!
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 8:33:18 AM UTC-7 gordo wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I'd really like to find a new home for this Rambouillet frame set 
>>> .
>>>  
>>>  As the pictures show, it is in pretty rough cosmetic shape and would be a 
>>> good candidate to do some frame mods and/or a fresh paint job.  I'd prefer 
>>> to sell it to a local buyer in San Francisco so that you can see the extent 
>>> of the paint damage in person - there are numerous scratches, scuffs, paint 
>>> chips and some areas of surface rust.  The frame is structurally sound and 
>>> it rode well when I had it built up.
>>>
>>> $550 for frame, fork and Ultegra headset.  Please reach out with any 
>>> questions or if you'd like to see more photos.
>>>
>>> And here's the link again for my Craigslist posting in case the 
>>> hyperlink above doesn't work:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-rambouillet/7759087884.html
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Eric
>>> SF, CA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Horses and Donkeys

[Kim H.]

Burros are just small donkeys with long hair. Burro is the Spanish, 
Portuguese and Mexican name for donkey. 

Kim Hetzel. 

On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 5:36:06 PM UTC-7 Bernard Duhon wrote:

> In (Louisiana donkeys are known to be aggressive and protective to young 
>  calves , and I put in the pasture with the calves to protect the calves 
> from coyotes.
>
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 23, 2024 1:59:44 PM
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Horses and Donkeys 
>  
> Sorry all, burro is already claimed for bikes. Here's an example I found: 
>
> https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/1300949
>
> Somehow, those fat 20" wheels don't look so odd anymore.
>
> Eric
>
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 11:44 AM Mike Rossi  wrote:
>
> I believe donkey and burro are the same animal. But, I like to think that 
> a mule has better teeth as a fellow I know always greets me with, “there’s 
> Smiley, grinning like a mule eating briars”.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 23, 2024, at 10:56 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> I think of burro as a small donkey, and I think of both of them being 
> smarter, and more cautious than horses.  They are definitely cute.  Burros 
> in particular can pull off a hat/bandanna ensemble that would knock your 
> socks off.  IMO 
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Monday, July 22, 2024 at 6:50:57 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
> Is a burro prettier? Better teeth, perhaps? Donkey teeth is an insult, 
> probably.  I can be a burro. 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 22, 2024, at 2:00 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Leah
>
>
> You've got more of a burro vibe, in my view of the universe.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, July 22, 2024 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
> I just got back from northern Michigan’s Ride Around Torch Lake. Best tour 
> I’ve done yet. So fun. So many riders. But again, back to square one with 
> the prejudice when the hordes of stereotypical roadies see me on the tour. 
> I giggled with my sister about some of it on the phone today.
>
>
> My sister said, I always think you’re riding a donkey. You have a donkey. 
> Everyone is riding a horse and Leah brought a donkey! Donkeys are so 
> powerful and you can saddle them with an incredible amount of weight. When 
> you charge up hills, pull liters and liters of water out of your bag AND a 
> change of clothes you know everyone with a horse is looking at you like 
> you’re a loon. They are carrying one little bottle to keep their horses 
> light and you’ve packed down your donkey. Everyone underestimates the 
> donkey. I’m going to change your name in my phone to Donkey.
>
>
> There was one other donkey on the ride. I’ll send pics of both in the next 
> post.
>
>
> Who else loves their donkey?!
>
> Leah
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