Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Josh C]

59 Atlantis FF
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/danville-rivendell-atlantis-frame-fork/7767782425.html

On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 11:26:07 PM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> The early AR’s were 26”, later ones especially the larger sizes were 700 
> c. Grant didn’t like  look of the very long headtubes on the larger frames. 
>
> Steven Sweedler
> Plymouth, New Hampshire
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 8:17 PM Jim M.  wrote:
>
>> Hmm, the ad says 700 wheels. Weren't All-Rounders 26"?
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 2:39:21 PM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:
>>
>>> Rivendell All-Rounder 60cm - $1,500 (santa clara)
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/santa-clara-rivendell-all-rounder-60cm/7767141390.html
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 14, 2024 at 7:53:19 AM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:
>>>
 55cm Platypus, complete bike with racks, buyer asking $2450, and 
 willing to ship worldwide. 


 https://ventura.craigslist.org/bik/d/thousand-oaks-rivendell-platypus-55cm/7765949532.html

 On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 11:21:29 AM UTC-7 MoVelo wrote:

>
> Jeff
>
> If you are unsuccessful in connecting with this buyer I have a blue 58 
> frame and fork that I am about to advertise on the list. I haven't 
> decided 
> what to ask for it. If that size works for you and your interested let me 
> know.
>
> Thanks
> James Poulson
> On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 8:35:55 AM UTC-5 jeffbog...@hotmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I've been trying to contact this seller but haven't heard back yet. 
>> Oh man, I would like to have this. Anyone have any luck getting thru?
>>
>> Jeff
>> On Friday 12 July 2024 at 08:12:45 UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Nice price on a 60cm Sam 
>>>
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-60cm-rivendell-hillborne-dynamo/7765148176.html
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 5:04:48 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I so badly wish this was a 58/59. Hell, even 60!

 This is exactly what I want to be riding this summer!

 What size tire will it clear? 28s?


 P. W.
 ~
 (917) 514-2207
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 On Jul 7, 2024, at 1:19 PM, donavanm  wrote:

 


 On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 5:05:32 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:

 63cm Roadeo. Don't see these every day. Good price IMO. 

 https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-roadeo-63cm-black-and/7763433686.html


  This is mine. I can provide more photos if anyones interested, or 
 a test ride in seattle. As mentioned i just dont ride it these days.

 I also have a 61cm simpleone that Ill be listing once I take some 
 pics tomorrow. Im keeping my quickbeam, and Ill be down to 7 other 
 bikes…

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: 60cm Cheviot (NH+)

[Josh C]

-Nic, 
That's awesome, I'm glad that one worked out. I kept looking at it and as 
he lowered the price it became more and more enticing. I would have bought 
it but I've got several bikes that overlap with the Cheviot. I'd love to 
see how you set it up if you've got pictures. 

On Friday, July 19, 2024 at 9:56:06 AM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:

> [image: IMG_3974.jpg]
> FYI - my 60cm Metallic Blue Cheviot frameset is still available for sale 
> for $1250 shipping included (most places)
> Lovely complete build possible too 
> On Friday, July 19, 2024 at 2:50:57 AM UTC-4 Nic in Oslo wrote:
>
>> Yup, that’s the one. 
>>
>> Nic
>>
>> On Jul 18, 2024, at 14:18, Josh C  wrote:
>>
>> Nic, 
>>
>> Which one did you end up getting? The orange one from FB in Illinois? 
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-4 Nic in Oslo wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Josh and everybody else that chimed in with leads! Happy to say 
>>> my orange Cheviot got delivered yesterday, and I’m looking forward to 
>>> building it up and getting some miles with it as soon as I can. 
>>>
>>> Nic
>>>
>>> On Jun 27, 2024, at 20:24, Josh C  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1429598715105228/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3Ac182247c-c59a-414b-b7e2-f3ed5fa3354d
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 7:31:25 PM UTC-4 Nic in Oslo wrote:
>>>
 Great! James and Jason, I’ll be in touch. 

 Nic

 On Jun 27, 2024, at 13:07, James  wrote:

 I emailed ya Nic



 On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 10:53:20 PM UTC-4 Nic in Oslo wrote:

> That could work. I’ll check it out. Thanks!
>
> On Jun 26, 2024, at 20:59, Hoch in ut  wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> There is an orange one on Riv Facebook group. There’s also a 58cm 
> Betty frameset, if that size works. 
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 6:53:56 PM UTC-6 Nic in Oslo wrote:
>
>> If you have a Cheviot that needs a new home I’d love to open mine to 
>> it. 
>>
>> Any color, frame or complete, all’s good. 
>>
>> I’m in NH and am more than happy doing a bit of a road trip if you’re 
>> in the New England area. 
>>
>> Nic
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[RBW] Re: Electric Bikes and Organized Rides

[Joe Bernard]

I support the Class 1 pedalecs with 20mph top speed on centuries. A century 
isn't really a group ride, I've done many by myself and was passing small 
groups and being passed by other small groups all day so, an ebike going by 
me wouldn't seem unusual. Of course range is the limiter here, most ebikes 
would be relegated to the 40 mile or shorter route unless the rider was 
very good about shutting off power during the event. 

Joe Bernard 
Lake County CA 

On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 4:53:33 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> A friend and I did the Seattle to Portland ride this past weekend (205 
> miles in either one or two days), and we were both surprised to see a 
> number of riders on electric bikes. 
>
> I haven’t done many large cycling events since the rise in popularity of 
> electric bikes. When I did large-scale rides like STP pre-COVID, everybody 
> would have been on a regular, human-powered bike. So seeing powered bikes 
> on a “cycling” event struck us as a little strange. 
>
> What is everyone’s experience with this? I’ll admit I am a little 
> skeptical about combining electric- and human-powered bikes in the same 
> event, but that’s probably a reflection of my cycling history. The events I 
> usually ride, which are mostly RUSA-sanctioned randonneuring, would 
> definitely not allow any kind of powered bike.
>
> What do YOU think? Should electric bikes be allowed on events like 
> RAGBRAI, STP, centuries, etc.? What limits would you impose, if any? Or 
> should they have their own events?
>
> Interested to hear what the group thinks.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
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[RBW] Sam Hillborne seatpost

[Ron Cramer]

It is probably on the website and I missed it. What seatpost on the new Sam
Hillborne: 26.8 or 27.2?
Thanks

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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Summer 2024 Photos

[Jay]

I love all the photos and variety of locations and landscapes.  Keep'em 
coming

On Friday, July 19, 2024 at 9:56:09 AM UTC-4 Nicholas A wrote:

> The sky matching my handlebar tape yesterday. 
>
> [image: IMG_9624.jpg]
>
> On Thursday 18 July 2024 at 01:56:37 UTC+1 Gill wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_0007.jpeg][image: IMG_0018.jpeg]The BC pics are sweet. Just 
>> returned from Maine. The Kennebec river and Sebec lake. 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 10:27:40 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> Like Eric (and others) we've had high temps and humidity lately, but a 
>>> few evenings this week have gotten down into the upper 80s without 
>>> excessive humidity - good to sneak in a quick 10 mile or so ride and the 
>>> Platypus is great for these sorts of rambles.
>>>
>>> [image: GR001-05358_redwing-1350.jpg]
>>> [image: GR001-05370_bog-1350.jpg]
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>> On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 9:17:35 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 Summer evenings in the Slocan Valley, Kootenays, BC!
 [image: Here&There By Bike - 1 of 3.jpeg]
 [image: Here&There By Bike - 2 of 3.jpeg]
 [image: Here&There By Bike - 3 of 3.jpeg]
 Cheers, John


 On Monday, July 15, 2024 at 12:33:41 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:

> It's a hot one here in central Indiana but I talked my kid into an 
> ~18-mile ride on some rail trail. [image: IMG_1450 Large.jpeg]
> On Monday, July 15, 2024 at 2:24:34 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It's been miserably hot and humid here in Virginia for the past few 
>> weeks. Currently 97º and 44% humidity. High of 100º tomorrow. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2064.jpg]4
>>
>> On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 12:12:25 AM UTC-4 Matthew Williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Monday’s ride, from Concord through Walnut Creek, Moraga, Canyon, 
>>> and over the hill to Montclair and Berkeley. 
>>>
>>> Thanks Adam, for the recommendations! 
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

[Jay]

Update: I'm swapping the bars on my Salsa Fargo.  Going with the VO 
Granola.  I can use them with stems I have on hand, just had to add brake 
levers, grips and a Sram Apex flat bar shifter.  Need hew cables/housing 
anyway, so all-in-all the experiment won't break the bank.  I'll report 
back in a couple of weeks after it's built up and, hopefully, dialled in.

Very little chance I'll switch the bars on my Roadini.  I'm really happy 
with that set up and feel like I will *not* be making any changes to it for 
a long time (which is a delight, for someone who's always making changes to 
dial in fit).

On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 7:33:52 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:

> I ended up sticking with drop bars, but making some changes after a good 
> conversation with my chiro and a few rides on the three bikes where I paid 
> a lot of attention to where I had pain, and my posture on those rides.
>
> On the Roadini and Salsa, I was using 42cm bars (at the hoods hoods) with 
> 12 degrees of flare.  First time I went up from 40cm.  In previous fittings 
> I was told I can run a 38cm as I have narrow shoulders.  It's a trend these 
> days to run wider, I tried it, but it really backfired given my 
> pre-existing neck/shoulder issue.  When on the hoods my arms were not a 
> straight line from my body, they were out a bit, and this was a minor 
> (major at times) pain.  I replaced those bars, have ridden each bike once 
> (1.5-2.5 hours) and it was instantly noticeable.  Pain gone.  Both of those 
> bikes have the bars upright (tops level with saddle, hoods higher) and not 
> stretched out.  Road bike has 40cm bars, but the reach is long and drop is 
> 2.5cm below saddle (making the drops unreachable for me).  That's being 
> rectified next.
>
> I may try swept back one day, but for now I do love drop bars and the 
> varied hand positions, and it was much cheaper to replace two bars and 
> re-use the table (success on both counts).
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 9:28:41 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:
>
>> I was always aware of bikes with a very relaxed geometry / setup, and it 
>> wasn't until I started seeing Rivendell bikes and watching youtube videos 
>> of people riding them that I really thought about it - is it more 
>> comfortable than drop bars, even if I have a more neutral (not aggressive) 
>> position on the bike (i.e., bars close to level with saddle)?  Would this 
>> be a good option for just cruising around, but for 1-2 hours?  If I didn't 
>> get along well with flat bars on mountain bike, would swept back bars be 
>> better?
>>
>> I'm going to ramble a bit here, my apologies in advance.  I haven't 
>> thought long enough about this to formulate my question succinctly. 
>>  Hopefully you get where I'm coming from.
>>
>> *Quick background*
>> - been riding a little over 20 years (closing in on 50!)
>> - started with mountain biking (hardtail, singletrack); moved to road; 
>> tried mountain biking two more times (I love being in nature) but didn't 
>> like the thrill/danger, and hated the idea of driving to the trail head; 
>> have been mainly on the road for last 15 years, though with 10 years of 
>> 'gravel' bikes/riding
>> - I've had ongoing issues with my cervical spine (nothing serious) and 
>> this leads to some problems when riding in any sort of aggressive position 
>> on the bike; I see a chiro regularly; stretch a lot; workout / strength 
>> training; have had numerous bike fits
>> - I have a Roadini, Salsa Fargo and a road bike (25mm tires, but custom 
>> made and really does fit like a glove, for road)
>> - I don't care about performance at all, I just love riding bikes, in 
>> particular when roads are not busy, or on trails, gravel roads, etc.
>>
>> On a good day (75% of the time), I can ride any of these bikes and during 
>> the ride I feel pretty good (little to no pain), maybe a bit of pain after 
>> (could be neck/shoulders, but anywhere else really), and after stretching I 
>> feel great in a 1/2 to full day.  I ride 4-5x a week, workout 1-2 times 
>> spring-fall and more in the winter.  
>>
>> But at least once a week, and maybe twice, I'll be riding, sometimes 
>> tired as it's after work, and within an hour I'm running low on energy and 
>> probably start to develop a bad posture on the bike, over-using my arms 
>> which causes problems in my neck and shoulders, leading to upper body 
>> aches/pains (while riding, and after).  Takes a lot of stretching and 
>> awareness to reset.  *This is what I'm trying to resolve (move from 75% 
>> to 99%)*
>>
>> My guess is that even with a bike like the Roadini or Salsa, with bars 
>> about level with the saddle, and even with a professional fitting on each, 
>> when I want to ride but I'm lacking energy, it goes poorly.  But is that 
>> because these bikes are "kind of" aggressive (when compared to say a spine 
>> angle closer to 70% and swept back bars)?  Or is it simply a combination of 
>> age, history of some 'issues', low on energy and thus bad posture kicks 

[RBW] Re: Electric Bikes and Organized Rides

['aeroperf' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Which brings up other good points about E-bikes.

We’re in the “Look out, Martha!  He’ll run down the kids and scare the 
horses” phase of E-bikes now, like the safety bike was in 1895.

There are currently three “classes” of E-bike in the US, and at least 4 in 
the EU.
And that’s aside from people like me who build and program their own. 
 Honest, officer, it’s a Class 1 (unless I throw this little switch next to 
the thumb shifter).
And because we have a lot more government now than in 1895, every state has 
the opportunity to apply their own regulations.

Meanwhile the lycra louts with their carbon road bikes are blowing by me at 
25 mph without so much as an “On your left”.
Do we let them on STP?  BRAG? But limit E-bikes to 20 mph?

So all that has to be worked out for any sanctioned ride, along with who 
regulates and who enforces.
This is a good time to have this discussion.  The e-fun is just beginning.

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[RBW] Re: Electric Bikes and Organized Rides

['peech1...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I agree with George Schick on this one since I see increasing numbers of e 
bikes on the trails generally ridden by people who wouldn't be out there, 
riding much faster than I can ride, coming up fast behind me without any 
sort of announcement and startling me.  I don't like e bikes for that 
reason but see the appeal.  I actually wish every e bike c
could be licensed and the riders required to take some basic education re 
trail etiquette and safety.



On Saturday, July 20, 2024 at 8:58:37 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

I support the Class 1 pedalecs with 20mph top speed on centuries. A century 
isn't really a group ride, I've done many by myself and was passing small 
groups and being passed by other small groups all day so, an ebike going by 
me wouldn't seem unusual. Of course range is the limiter here, most ebikes 
would be relegated to the 40 mile or shorter route unless the rider was 
very good about shutting off power during the event. 

Joe Bernard 
Lake County CA 

On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 4:53:33 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:

A friend and I did the Seattle to Portland ride this past weekend (205 
miles in either one or two days), and we were both surprised to see a 
number of riders on electric bikes. 

I haven’t done many large cycling events since the rise in popularity of 
electric bikes. When I did large-scale rides like STP pre-COVID, everybody 
would have been on a regular, human-powered bike. So seeing powered bikes 
on a “cycling” event struck us as a little strange. 

What is everyone’s experience with this? I’ll admit I am a little skeptical 
about combining electric- and human-powered bikes in the same event, but 
that’s probably a reflection of my cycling history. The events I usually 
ride, which are mostly RUSA-sanctioned randonneuring, would definitely not 
allow any kind of powered bike.

What do YOU think? Should electric bikes be allowed on events like RAGBRAI, 
STP, centuries, etc.? What limits would you impose, if any? Or should they 
have their own events?

Interested to hear what the group thinks.

--Eric Norris
campyo...@me.com
Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

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RE: [RBW] Re: Electric Bikes and Organized Rides

[Bernard Duhon]

One huge difference is a “lycra lout” as you ,  called them,  going 25 mph may 
have bad manners but he has been riding a while and probably a pretty good bike 
handler.

However a newbie going even 15 miles an hour his  electric bike is a danger to 
everyone on the road.  Including himself. When we were starting out on a human 
powered bike we were mostly a danger to yourself.  (and took a while before you 
were cruising at 12 miles an hour)

We have been a lifetime of acquiring Cycling skills. I have taught the 
effective cycling course in the past and even seasoned cyclist benefit from 
these type of courses.

You cannot get a driver's license without passing a drivers test and almost 
everyone has taken a driver's Ed course.

Some point in the power/speed scale education courses should be 
encouraged./promoted by the sellers.

And 20 mph on ebike is too fast for an unskilled novice and that is the speed 
limit on a lot of trails.

That having been said, there are a lot of bicycles you shouldn't put a novice 
cyclist on. I know several people who started out riding on a tri, time trial 
and crisp handling race bike and injured themselves. They had no business 
starting off on a bike like that and shame on the bike industry for putting 
them on that kind of bike.




From: 'aeroperf' via RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2024 10:48 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Electric Bikes and Organized Rides

Which brings up other good points about E-bikes.

We’re in the “Look out, Martha!  He’ll run down the kids and scare the horses” 
phase of E-bikes now, like the safety bike was in 1895.

There are currently three “classes” of E-bike in the US, and at least 4 in the 
EU.
And that’s aside from people like me who build and program their own.  Honest, 
officer, it’s a Class 1 (unless I throw this little switch next to the thumb 
shifter).
And because we have a lot more government now than in 1895, every state has the 
opportunity to apply their own regulations.

Meanwhile the lycra louts with their carbon road bikes are blowing by me at 25 
mph without so much as an “On your left”.
Do we let them on STP?  BRAG? But limit E-bikes to 20 mph?

So all that has to be worked out for any sanctioned ride, along with who 
regulates and who enforces.
This is a good time to have this discussion.  The e-fun is just beginning.
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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne seatpost

[Johnny Alien]

27.2

For some reason I feel like there is some rule of thumb like...lugged 
frames are 27.2 and tigged or filet brazed or different. I am probably 
wrong about that.

On Saturday, July 20, 2024 at 10:08:47 AM UTC-4 Ron Cramer wrote:

> It is probably on the website and I missed it. What seatpost on the new 
> Sam Hillborne: 26.8 or 27.2?
> Thanks 
>

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Re: [RBW] WTF a 26.0 Albastache for my questionable Canti Rom?

['jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Albastache acquired, thank you for the replies.

Also thank you for the responses regarding the frame. As luck (good/bad?) 
would have it, a few days after this post I received an email from 
Rivendell that there was a 54 Hillborne in stock, and I immediately jumped 
on it. Not the smartest of financial moves, but it's the frame I wanted in 
the first place. I'm sure there's some some N+1 equation to account for too 
many frames but not enough parts to build either? Anyone want to trade a 
beater Canti Rom frame for some wheels? Joking, not joking.

Regardless, I am really excited to get acquainted with the Hillborne when 
it evolves to completion.

On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 2:57:40 PM UTC-6 Ray Varella wrote:

> Jinxed,
> I sent you a pm
>
> Ray
>
> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 1:25:25 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> I had substantial crack in the paint of my Clementine. My curiosity got 
>> to me eventually and I sanded down the paint to the tubing and luckily the 
>> frame was totally fine - I did realize how terrible the factory paint was 
>> though. It was a substantial piece of mind knowing my frame wasn't toast vs 
>> my terrible touch up. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 11:00:32 AM UTC-7 Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>>
>>> Huh, weird.
>>>
>>> In my limited experince, a front end hit is usually pretty obvious if 
>>> you're looking for it.  I would also expect the damage to be right at the 
>>> lug tip, and it doesn't look to me like it is.  Irregardless, I really 
>>> doubt whatever that is will ever be a (non-emotional) issue and it's easy 
>>> to keep an eye on.  I would ride i with extreme prejudice...
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 2:53 PM 'jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 I may have made a hasty purchase and ended up with a bum frame. But I'm 
 going to try to make the best of it.

 So...I parted ways with my 26" Atlantis a while back in hopes to find a 
 55-56ish 700c Hillborne (short stay) to replace it. I watched Riv, and the 
 used market for literally years, and just kept missing them. I fell short 
 of a wanted ad, as I didnt really NEED one and figured it would pop up one 
 day. Well, I sort of gave up and stopped checking. However, as age, and 
 circumstances will do, I am now creeping closer to the need of a more 
 upright and comfortable bike. I check in here and BOOM...a new run of 
 short 
 stay Hillbornes!! AND they're sold out in my size. Ugh. 

 Deflated, I go back to trolling the used market, and my first search 
 brings up a 55 Canti Rom...20 minutes from me. THIS would do nicely and 
 was 
 a previous target of obsessive searching. The seller informs me there's a 
 brake lever ding on the TT and dent on the seat stay. Not deterred, we 
 plan 
 to meet. 75yo gentleman who clearly has ridden some bikes, and seems to be 
 a DIY mechanic. Bike looks good, albeit with an odd build. Not Rivvy, but 
 more hodgepodge of commuter/2000 road bike. Rode fine, set up was not 
 comfortable for me but the frame fit, the dents were unfortunate but not 
 apparently damaging. We strike a deal, and I bring it home.

 The lay of the land: 
 Threadless adaptor with super upright stem and Noodle bars which I do 
 not like
 Thorn proof tubes and 28c rock hard commuter tires
 BIG gel saddle on a layback post
 Canti rear, side pull front

 All of this meant, I needed some time to strip it all down, acquire 
 some parts, and rebuild to my preference. No worries...until I got to it a 
 few weeks later.

 After stripping it mostly down, I started to clean the frame and 
 noticed a bizarre, what I thought was a scratch, in the paint on the top 
 tube just at the end of the head tube lug point. Looking closer, its more 
 like the paint is crackled or scrunched. My gut sank. I immediately 
 checked 
 under the DT for a bulge or other signs of front impact. Nothing. Seems 
 totally fine. But the TT really looks odd. I've worked in shops for 30 
 years and have seen many cracks, dents etc...generally there's apparent 
 trauma you can trace to other areas, but this is a new one to me being 
 isolated. The other oddity that may be normal on these...is that the TT 
 feels like it's externally butted to fit the HT lug. Nothing massive, but 
 just a slightly perceptible increase in OD right about the point of the 
 lug. Imagination? By design? Bulged from impact? No idea.

 All that said, I am bummed, but absolutely hold no ill will towards the 
 seller. I truly believe he had no idea and was completely up front with 
 the 
 damage he knew about. AND it could just be a scratch or other paint 
 anomaly. Yes, I could have the paint stripped back and find someone 
 knowledgeable to inspect it, but I feel like the optio

[RBW] Re: FS: 1988-89 Matching "His & Hers" Stumpjumpers w/ Platypus Complete Build

[Jacob Kersey]

Thanks for the insight Armand & Reginald!

I'm realizing based on the responses that my query (and poor attempt at 
whimsy) read like an indictment of U-brakes, which wasn't my intention. I 
was mostly curious about the different brake placement on two seemingly 
identical frames, which Armand helpfully clarified was due to the frames 
being from two different model years (as the subject line suggested, if 
only I'd been able to make the simple inference...)

For context, I still own an old u-braked Ritchey Outback, and rode an '87 
MB2 with suntour rollercams for years. In my experience both provide 
stopping power aplenty and aren't any fussier to set up than most cantis. 
Chainstay placement isn't optimal for riding conditions involving any sort 
of mud/debris, but for the vast majority of trails and city riding, 
u-brakes work great (and make rear rack installation much simpler!).

Reginald, do you happen to have any photos of the roller cam setup on your 
MB-1? And apologies to Armand for all this thread drift on your FS post! 

-Jake
On Friday, July 19, 2024 at 10:30:37 PM UTC-7 R. Alexis wrote:

> Armand,
>
> You are right on point with the U-Brake. GT continued to use them into the 
> early 90's on their bikes. Another good alternative is a SunTour Rollercam 
> brake. I have one of those in use on the rear of my 1994 Bridgestone MB-1 
> retro build using an Odyssey U4 adapter brake plate/stiffener. Had this in 
> use on my Brigestone MB-0(Zip) when initially built up from a frameset. I 
> have a Gorilla brake booster plate mounted to the brakes to stiffen it up. 
>
> Jake,
>
> I wouldn't be too put off by a U-Brake. They set up and function fine once 
> you get educated on them. I have a 1988ish Cannondale that has one on the 
> seatstay and it functions just fine. 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Reginald Alexis
>
> On Friday, July 19, 2024 at 3:53:24 PM UTC-5 Jacob Kersey wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Armand, lovely bikes, thanks for sharing. Plenty of care and attention 
>> to detail evident in those builds and the photos you linked.
>>
>> Curious if you (or any of the vintage MTB oldheads on the list) have any 
>> idea 
>> why the larger model has a chainstay mounted U-brake vs the rear canti 
>> posts on the smaller bike? Was this a factory-specced difference between 
>> sizes? Random variation? Custom post fab job? Almost picked one of these up 
>> locally a few weeks back, but my U-brake bias got in the way.
>>
>> best of luck with the sale,
>> -Jake "u-brake-it-u-don't-buy-it" in Oakland, CA
>> On Friday, July 19, 2024 at 12:54:22 PM UTC-7 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> What? Vintage 1980's Specialized Stumpjumpers? On the RBW Owner's bunch? 
>>> If having the entirety of parts from my Platypus complete put on one of 
>>> these bikes is not considered blasphemy, well then I'm in luck. :) 
>>>
>>> A very special pair of bikes I have meticulously restored with lots of 
>>> custom details, like a *only-one-in-the-world* Merz Magenta/Dinucci 
>>> Green Mt. Zefal frame pump and custom "vintage mtb nerd" bar end plugs. The 
>>> larger of the two is setup as a period correct MTB, with the smaller setup 
>>> as a Rivendell! 
>>>
>>> RBW Owner's bunch pricing is $2500 OBO for *both* bikes. I am open to 
>>> selling individually and/or shipping at buyer's expense. Local pick-up in 
>>> Santa Monica. View my feeBay listing here 
>>>  for more photos and full 
>>> details! 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3184.JPG]
>>>
>>> Happy Riding, 
>>> Armand
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne seatpost

[Ron Cramer]

Thanks!

On Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 11:40 AM Johnny Alien 
wrote:

> 27.2
>
> For some reason I feel like there is some rule of thumb like...lugged
> frames are 27.2 and tigged or filet brazed or different. I am probably
> wrong about that.
>
> On Saturday, July 20, 2024 at 10:08:47 AM UTC-4 Ron Cramer wrote:
>
>> It is probably on the website and I missed it. What seatpost on the new
>> Sam Hillborne: 26.8 or 27.2?
>> Thanks
>>
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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne seatpost

[Ryan]

Believe it or not(get a life, Ryan) - I couldn't find seat post diameter 
anywhere on SH specs on the RBW site or in any of the newsletter specs for 
later iterations of this frame...but as a counter-example for Johnny Alien, 
I do remember Leah's quest for a nicer long-setback post for her 
Platypus(lugged frame) limited her options somewhat because it  took a 
26.8; RBW lists this. And I think the Roaduno (lugged) is also 26.8. The 
Roadeo does list 27.2 as the seatpost size as does Homer 
Hilsen.Butbupkis for the Sam unless the frame brochure they put out 
from time to time lists it somewhere. 

All that being said, easiest way to find out is to give RBW HQ a call

On Saturday, July 20, 2024 at 12:40:52 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> 27.2
>
> For some reason I feel like there is some rule of thumb like...lugged 
> frames are 27.2 and tigged or filet brazed or different. I am probably 
> wrong about that.
>
> On Saturday, July 20, 2024 at 10:08:47 AM UTC-4 Ron Cramer wrote:
>
>> It is probably on the website and I missed it. What seatpost on the new 
>> Sam Hillborne: 26.8 or 27.2?
>> Thanks 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[Bill Lindsay]

Because I've gotten in the habit, I have kept my streak going of riding to 
the top of Mount Diablo every month in 2024.  My seventh month in a row was 
on my seventh different bike.  It was HOT, but nowhere near as bad as it 
could have been.  The max I saw on my Wahoo was 37C.  

I can see a path to going 12 for 12, including the forthcoming RoadUno 
being one of the bikes this Fall.  I stopped by Riv HQ to straddle the 54.5 
and the 58 RoadUno, just to make sure I want to go HUGE.  The standover on 
the 58 is "right there" but riding it is so perfecto, that I've just got to 
go big.  

The seven for seven album is updated:

https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313832831/

BL in EC

On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 4:45:47 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> One of my 2024 goals is knocked down.  I stated the goal:
>
> Summit Mount Diablo 5 times on 5 different bikes
>
> I did my fifth summit of Diablo today on my fifth different bike.  Pics 
> prove it:
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313832831/
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:48:14 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Often we do a goals thread, and there seems to me that there's a schism 
>> on how to approach goals.  Some folks have very specific goals: i.e. 
>> "average 10 miles a day over the year".  Others enjoy eschewing the 
>> specificity: i.e. "have more fun on the bike".
>>
>> I'm a devotee of S.M.A.R.T. goals, which are (S)simple, (M)easurable, 
>> (A)chievable, (R)relevant, (T)imply.  The notion of the S.M.A.R.T. goal has 
>> improved my life in several ways and maybe in a way has saved my life. I'm 
>> a compulsive person and I'm a numbers guy. I'm going to be compulsive about 
>> *something 
>> , *so if that something can be achievable and healthy, then that's a 
>> good thing.  I've gotten into the habit of setting up tons of tiny 
>> S.M.A.R.T. goals, and it sets me up to have a regular pattern of taking 
>> W's.  
>>
>> My big picture goals for 2024 include:
>>
>> 10,000km ridden
>> Summit Mount Diablo 5 times on 5 different bikes
>> Put myself in the position to attempt my first 400k brevet
>> Complete the Marin Mountains 200k brevet
>> Complete 25% of every city in Contra Costa County on Wandrer
>> Complete 25% of Marin County on Wandrer
>> Ride 55 miles on my 55th birthday and kick off riding my age on my 
>> birthday as a regular event
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne seatpost

[Johnny Alien]

There you goI was completely wrong on that lugged part. :)

I will say I owned a SH back in the day and it was 27.2 BUT they could have 
changed that as things have indeed changed on their bikes over the years.

On Saturday, July 20, 2024 at 3:01:48 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> Believe it or not(get a life, Ryan) - I couldn't find seat post diameter 
> anywhere on SH specs on the RBW site or in any of the newsletter specs for 
> later iterations of this frame...but as a counter-example for Johnny Alien, 
> I do remember Leah's quest for a nicer long-setback post for her 
> Platypus(lugged frame) limited her options somewhat because it  took a 
> 26.8; RBW lists this. And I think the Roaduno (lugged) is also 26.8. The 
> Roadeo does list 27.2 as the seatpost size as does Homer 
> Hilsen.Butbupkis for the Sam unless the frame brochure they put out 
> from time to time lists it somewhere. 
>
> All that being said, easiest way to find out is to give RBW HQ a call
>
> On Saturday, July 20, 2024 at 12:40:52 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> 27.2
>>
>> For some reason I feel like there is some rule of thumb like...lugged 
>> frames are 27.2 and tigged or filet brazed or different. I am probably 
>> wrong about that.
>>
>> On Saturday, July 20, 2024 at 10:08:47 AM UTC-4 Ron Cramer wrote:
>>
>>> It is probably on the website and I missed it. What seatpost on the new 
>>> Sam Hillborne: 26.8 or 27.2?
>>> Thanks 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Summer 2024 Photos

[Kim H.]

@Randy,

Beautiful countryside. 
... jealous of your summer weather being cool and green.

Kim Hetzel. 

On Saturday, July 20, 2024 at 1:01:18 PM UTC-7 larson@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: IMG_2776.jpeg][image: IMG_2779.jpeg][image: IMG_2774.jpeg][image: 
> IMG_2780.jpeg][image: IMG_2773.jpeg]We have been having great Summer 
> weather here in Wisconsin, fortunate to miss out on the extreme heat and 
> flooding. The above average rainfall has made the landscape lush and green 
> and full. Yesterday I rode in Richland County, about an hour or so north of 
> where I live. A wonderful mixed terrain ride on isolated backroads and 
> through several unincorporated towns.
> Randy in WI
>
> On Saturday, July 20, 2024 at 12:50:37 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: 20240622_124629-EDIT.jpg]
>>
>> On Saturday, July 20, 2024 at 10:46:32 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 20240222_123239.jpg][image: 20240622_114331.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 20, 2024 at 10:43:29 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>>
 [image: 20240622_085714.jpg][image: 20240622_114328.jpg]

 On Saturday, July 20, 2024 at 10:41:46 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> I went on my first group ride last month... my apologies for being 
> late. I enjoyed riding the Willapa Hills Trail out of Chehalis, 
> Washington. 
> This trail used to be a old passenger and freight steam train from the 
> 1930's that ran from Chehalis to South Bend out on the coast of 
> Washington. 
> There are sections of which are paved, yet most it is hard pack dirt and 
> gravel spanning 56 miles. I rode from Adna to Rainbow Falls State Park 
> and 
> back: 30 miles. The weather was perfect. It was cool in the morning and 
> after the fog burnt off abundant sunshine around 70 degrees. This is my 
> favorite trail. 
>
> I plan on riding more it in sections of 30 to 32 mile sections at at 
> time on my Clem in the near future. I am waiting currently for the hot 
> weather to cool down from the 80's to 90 degrees to the mid-70's to low 
> 70's. I don't do hot weather.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> [image: 20240222_123239.jpg]
>
> On Saturday, July 20, 2024 at 8:14:16 AM UTC-7 Jay wrote:
>
>> I love all the photos and variety of locations and landscapes. 
>>  Keep'em coming
>>
>> On Friday, July 19, 2024 at 9:56:09 AM UTC-4 Nicholas A wrote:
>>
>>> The sky matching my handlebar tape yesterday. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9624.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Thursday 18 July 2024 at 01:56:37 UTC+1 Gill wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_0007.jpeg][image: IMG_0018.jpeg]The BC pics are sweet. 
 Just returned from Maine. The Kennebec river and Sebec lake. 


 On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 10:27:40 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> Like Eric (and others) we've had high temps and humidity lately, 
> but a few evenings this week have gotten down into the upper 80s 
> without 
> excessive humidity - good to sneak in a quick 10 mile or so ride and 
> the 
> Platypus is great for these sorts of rambles.
>
> [image: GR001-05358_redwing-1350.jpg]
> [image: GR001-05370_bog-1350.jpg]
>
> -Dave
> On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 9:17:35 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Summer evenings in the Slocan Valley, Kootenays, BC!
>> [image: Here&There By Bike - 1 of 3.jpeg]
>> [image: Here&There By Bike - 2 of 3.jpeg]
>> [image: Here&There By Bike - 3 of 3.jpeg]
>> Cheers, John
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 15, 2024 at 12:33:41 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> It's a hot one here in central Indiana but I talked my kid into 
>>> an ~18-mile ride on some rail trail. [image: IMG_1450 
>>> Large.jpeg]
>>> On Monday, July 15, 2024 at 2:24:34 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It's been miserably hot and humid here in Virginia for the past 
 few weeks. Currently 97º and 44% humidity. High of 100º tomorrow. 

 [image: IMG_2064.jpg]4

 On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 12:12:25 AM UTC-4 Matthew 
 Williams wrote:

> Monday’s ride, from Concord through Walnut Creek, Moraga, 
> Canyon, and over the hill to Montclair and Berkeley. 
>
> Thanks Adam, for the recommendations! 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne seatpost

[Ray Varella]

Blue Lug lists 26.8 in their specs for Sams 

Ray

On Saturday, July 20, 2024 at 12:54:04 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> There you goI was completely wrong on that lugged part. :)
>
> I will say I owned a SH back in the day and it was 27.2 BUT they could 
> have changed that as things have indeed changed on their bikes over the 
> years.
>
> On Saturday, July 20, 2024 at 3:01:48 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Believe it or not(get a life, Ryan) - I couldn't find seat post diameter 
>> anywhere on SH specs on the RBW site or in any of the newsletter specs for 
>> later iterations of this frame...but as a counter-example for Johnny Alien, 
>> I do remember Leah's quest for a nicer long-setback post for her 
>> Platypus(lugged frame) limited her options somewhat because it  took a 
>> 26.8; RBW lists this. And I think the Roaduno (lugged) is also 26.8. The 
>> Roadeo does list 27.2 as the seatpost size as does Homer 
>> Hilsen.Butbupkis for the Sam unless the frame brochure they put out 
>> from time to time lists it somewhere. 
>>
>> All that being said, easiest way to find out is to give RBW HQ a call
>>
>> On Saturday, July 20, 2024 at 12:40:52 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> 27.2
>>>
>>> For some reason I feel like there is some rule of thumb like...lugged 
>>> frames are 27.2 and tigged or filet brazed or different. I am probably 
>>> wrong about that.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 20, 2024 at 10:08:47 AM UTC-4 Ron Cramer wrote:
>>>
 It is probably on the website and I missed it. What seatpost on the 
 new Sam Hillborne: 26.8 or 27.2?
 Thanks 

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Electric Bikes and Organized Rides

[Patrick Moore]

A local bike industry representative recently proposed a bill to the City
of ABQ Council for blanket legal permission for all types of e-bikes along
with a 20 mph speed limit, the limit to be moral and legal, not
technological. My first reaction was, "Yeah, sure, and you will enforce
this exactly how?" Me, I think that there should be official obstacles for
use on recreational trails and bike lanes any motorized vehicle capable of
more than 20 mph without pedaling but I don't know what those should be or
how to impose them.

Riding briskly along a bike path a couple of months ago I was passed at
probably 25 mph (I was going at least 15 and was passed at a large speed
difference) by a kid on a OneWheel or somesuch with no warning or vehicle
sound besides very muted tire buzz; it was a good thing I wasn't trying to
turn left. I have no problem with e-assist, but neophytes going faster than
their bike path traffic skills (let along road skils) warrant does worry me.

The same thing happened a few months earlier yet: a kid on an e-bike passed
me on a bike path at a good differential without sound or warning, his
little terrier running unleashed behind him. (It was a fast terrier.) (The
kid would let the dog catch up, accelerate so that the dog would chase him,
the stop and repeat. All on the left side of the path.

Worst yet: 18 or 24 months ago maintaining a stout 18 or so on my Riv
gofast on a pave bike path I was passed with no warning and very little
noise by a kid on an electric motorcycle who passed me, I swear, and I
don't think my imagination is fooling me, going at least 40 if not more; he
whizzed by and disappeared up the trail and around a distant corner before
I could collect my wits to yell an insult. But thank God that was a 1X
even, so far at least.

OTOH, by far most of the now quite numerous e-bikes I see on area bike
paths are putting along harmlessly at 12 or 15 mph and even an old duffer
like me can pass them handily.

On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:24 AM Bernard Duhon 
wrote:

> One huge difference is a “lycra lout” as you ,  called them,  going 25 mph
> may have bad manners but he has been riding a while and probably a pretty
> good bike handler.
>
>
>
> However a newbie going even 15 miles an hour his  electric bike is a
> danger to everyone on the road.  Including himself. When we were starting
> out on a human powered bike we were mostly a danger to yourself.  (and took
> a while before you were cruising at 12 miles an hour)
>
>
>
> We have been a lifetime of acquiring Cycling skills. I have taught the
> effective cycling course in the past and even seasoned cyclist benefit from
> these type of courses.
>
>
>
> You cannot get a driver's license without passing a drivers test and
> almost everyone has taken a driver's Ed course.
>
>
>
> Some point in the power/speed scale education courses should be
> encouraged./promoted by the sellers.
>
>
>
> And 20 mph on ebike is too fast for an unskilled novice and that is the
> speed limit on a lot of trails.
>
>
>
> That having been said, there are a lot of bicycles you shouldn't put a
> novice cyclist on. I know several people who started out riding on a tri,
> time trial and crisp handling race bike and injured themselves. They had no
> business starting off on a bike like that and shame on the bike industry
> for putting them on that kind of bike.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] F/s

[Patrick Moore]

Bill: I"ll take the panniers.

Thanks, Patrick Moore

On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 5:26 PM Bill Fulford 
wrote:

> Dreaming of that big bike tour? I may have some help.
> Nitto big back rack. Lightly used &125. Ortlieb bike packer panniers,
> lightly used $125. Plus shipping. Contact directly.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Campy 9 Sp Brifters, Crust Bars, Brooks

[Andrew Joseph]

Update,  

All prices are shipped to you. 

-Brooks Swift Honey - Pending 
-Rivendell 90-190, (85, 31.8 clamp) - $100
-Crust Shaka bars (by Nitto) 560 width, 31.8 clamp $100
-Campagnolo Mirage 9 speed brifters - SOLD

-Sackville bar tube bag - SOLD
-PNW 31.8 drop bar + 80 Velo Orange quill stem - $90

On Friday, July 19, 2024 at 4:56:15 PM UTC-5 Andrew Joseph wrote:

> Update,  
>
> All prices are shipped to you. 
>
> -Brooks Swift Honey - $110
> -Rivendell 90-190, (85, 31.8 clamp) - $100
> -Crust Shaka bars (by Nitto) 560 width, 31.8 clamp $100
> -Campagnolo Mirage 9 speed brifters - SOLD
>
> -Sackville bar tube bag - $40
> -PNW 31.8 drop bar + 80 Velo Orange quill stem - $90
>
> On Friday, July 19, 2024 at 10:16:42 AM UTC-5 Andrew Joseph wrote:
>
>> I would add…I am willing to trade any parts for a pair of silver or 
>> pewter Paul canti levers, Brooks black special or professional, Paul 
>> touring brakes, or a Silver 2 thumbie set.  
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Drew
>> On Friday, July 19, 2024 at 9:13:00 AM UTC-5 Andrew Joseph wrote:
>>
>>> All, 
>>>
>>> I put out an email recently about converting my Sam. I will definitely 
>>> provide pics once the flat/alt bar set up is done. For now, a few items for 
>>> sale… 
>>>
>>> All prices are shipped to you. 
>>>
>>> -Brooks Swift Honey - $110 
>>> -Rivendell 90-190, (85, 31.8 clamp) - $100 
>>> -Crust Shaka bars (by Nitto) 560 width, 31.8 clamp $100 
>>> -Campagnolo Mirage 9 speed brifters - $120 
>>> -Sackville bar tube bag - $40 
>>> -PNW 31.8 drop bar + 80 Velo Orange quill stem - $90 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] broken shift cable with silver shifter

[Richard Rose]

I've never seen this before so thought I'd share. Weird?
https://photos.app.goo.gl/5NLkjz7cK3yCvgck8

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Matthew Williams]

Protovelo / 2015 Appaloosa
47cm
$3200
Seattle, WA

https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/bik/d/silverdale-2015-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7758649064.html




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[RBW] Re: broken shift cable with silver shifter

[Max S]

Just out of curiosity, did you have it set up as a bar-end or a 
thumb-shifter or a downtube shifter? 

Reason I ask:  A few months ago I set up a bike with the Silver v.2 shifter 
on a Paul Thumbie mount and noticed that the cable would rub on the side of 
the cable hole as it entered the pod. I also noticed the same thing when 
setting it up as a bar-end shifter on a bar-end pod from Riv. I figured 
that after a few hundred miles either the hole would get sawed out, or the 
cable would snap, or both... 

It's possible that the bar-end and thumbie pods had been originally spec'ed 
for a smaller diameter shifter body, but either way, I decided not to risk 
it, relegating it for future downtube duty, and replaced it with a 
different bar-mounted shifter on that bike. 

- Max "design flaw?" in A2

On Saturday, July 20, 2024 at 9:47:36 PM UTC-4 Richard Rose wrote:

> I've never seen this before so thought I'd share. Weird?
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/5NLkjz7cK3yCvgck8
>
>

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