[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Big Back Rack Medium 32R

[lconley]

SOLD!

On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 10:14:25 PM UTC-4 Mr. Ray wrote:

> Here is a picture showing the difference in size:
>
> [image: Nitto 32R rack.jpg]
>
> Good luck with the sale Laing.
>
> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 3:35:56 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> Nitto Big Back Rack Medium 32R - mounted, but never used, several years 
>> old. Replaced with a new Large 33R - I will include the new unopened 
>> hardware bag with the medium rack. Note that it looks like the 33R and not 
>> the 32R as shown on Rivendell's website, but it is smaller than the 33R 
>> (not as long). $180 shipped CONUS.
>>
>> [image: IMG_3861.jpg]
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[lconley]

I received mine from Rene Herse on Saturday, hope to get them mounted today 
on my Riv Custom - 650B x 48 Switchback Hill tires on Velocity Quill rims. 
 I currently have the lightweight Schwalbe butyl tubes.  I use Velo Plugs 
instead of rim tape. 
I like the smooth shiny silver stems. The blue caps will end up on the blue 
Frank Jones Sr. They were already sold out of the 700C x 44 or I would have 
put the TPU tubes on it also.  Another swig of the Kool-Aid.

Laing Conley
Delray Beach FL

On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 10:41:36 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Last evening I mounted a pair of WTB TPU inner tubes under 700c x 48mm 
> knobby RH tires. I was pleasantly surprised by how easily they mounted up 
> with just enough inflation to plump them a bit. Easier than any butyl tubes 
> I've ever used. 
>
> Today I took the bike out on my usual graveled forest service road route, 
> bleeding the front end down from 27 to 25 psi about 1/2 into the ride  My 
> first impression is that they  compare favorably to the ride feel of a 
> tubeless setup. 
>
> Before I sip the kool aid and start buying more of these things - given 
> the cost - I'm wondering if anyone has had long term experience with them 
> (not necessarily the WTB version).   Any punctures, did they patch 
> satisfactorily? Longevity? Your impressions of the quality?
>
>  I'll add that they dropped about 200 grams of ugly fat from the wheels - 
> but that wasn't my main objective.
>
> Steve
>

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[RBW] Re: Kickstand bolt size

[Julian Westerhout]

You need an M10X 1.5 bolt --most likely 16mm or 20mm in length.   If you 
have the old bolt the best thing to do is to take it to your local hardware 
store where you'll almost certainly find a bolt/nut sizer in the bulk 
hardware aisle -- then find the allen headed bolt you need in the bolt 
drawers and you'll be all set! 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 

On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 12:10:41 PM UTC-5 JL V wrote:

> Hi guys any idea what size of bolt can fit on the kickstand? Planning to 
> replace my bolt to allen head. I'm using the BL select greenfield by the 
> way. Thanks 

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[RBW] Re: TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[lconley]

FYI - The RH instructions say to inflate slowly and immediately deflate the 
tubes completely after the tire pops into position, then reinflate.

Laing Conley
Delray Beach FL

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:53:30 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> I received mine from Rene Herse on Saturday, hope to get them mounted 
> today on my Riv Custom - 650B x 48 Switchback Hill tires on Velocity Quill 
> rims.  I currently have the lightweight Schwalbe butyl tubes.  I use Velo 
> Plugs instead of rim tape. 
> I like the smooth shiny silver stems. The blue caps will end up on the 
> blue Frank Jones Sr. They were already sold out of the 700C x 44 or I would 
> have put the TPU tubes on it also.  Another swig of the Kool-Aid.
>
> Laing Conley
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 10:41:36 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Last evening I mounted a pair of WTB TPU inner tubes under 700c x 48mm 
>> knobby RH tires. I was pleasantly surprised by how easily they mounted up 
>> with just enough inflation to plump them a bit. Easier than any butyl tubes 
>> I've ever used. 
>>
>> Today I took the bike out on my usual graveled forest service road route, 
>> bleeding the front end down from 27 to 25 psi about 1/2 into the ride  My 
>> first impression is that they  compare favorably to the ride feel of a 
>> tubeless setup. 
>>
>> Before I sip the kool aid and start buying more of these things - given 
>> the cost - I'm wondering if anyone has had long term experience with them 
>> (not necessarily the WTB version).   Any punctures, did they patch 
>> satisfactorily? Longevity? Your impressions of the quality?
>>
>>  I'll add that they dropped about 200 grams of ugly fat from the wheels - 
>> but that wasn't my main objective.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Give this guy a Like and a Subscribe

[Hoch in ut]

Keep up the good work! Really good to see clips from Korea. I lived there 
for a number of years, but haven’t been back in a long time. 

This video is worth a watch as well. I’m glad to see cycling culture 
progress and improve in Korea. 

https://youtu.be/McqPlSJktww?si=KtHwnJrP9IK3cCGp

On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 11:10:28 AM UTC-6 probablyri...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Just realised my channel was shared on here. Thank you!
>
> On Tuesday 12 March 2024 at 10:09:34 UTC+9 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> QUALITY content! 
>>
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 10:58:51 AM UTC-4 tio ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Glad to see he's making longer content for YouTube, as I've also been 
>>> following him on IG for little while now and have been enjoying his bike 
>>> videos. 
>>>
>>> He's got a couple very sweet Rivs and a gift for filming and editing 
>>> bicycle content. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 8:03:49 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
 I've been following him on Instagram. He's got a nice collection of 
 Riv's and is constantly posting riding videos. No bike no likes right? I 
 subscribed to the YouTube channel. 

 On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 8:39:37 PM UTC-4 weste...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for sharing -- nice understated video that really is worth 
> watching -- makes me want to go cycle in Korea!  
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, Il 
>
>
> On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 10:16:40 PM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> Nice video of his adventures aboard a Clem in Korea. 
>>
>> https://youtu.be/IFoDkOQjk08?si=tOa6oP0IbiZmwNRQ
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Give this guy a Like and a Subscribe

[Sarah Carlson]

Hey I watch your videos pretty much everyday! Great to see you pop up on 
here!

Sarah

On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 10:10:28 AM UTC-7 probablyri...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Just realised my channel was shared on here. Thank you!
>
> On Tuesday 12 March 2024 at 10:09:34 UTC+9 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> QUALITY content! 
>>
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 10:58:51 AM UTC-4 tio ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Glad to see he's making longer content for YouTube, as I've also been 
>>> following him on IG for little while now and have been enjoying his bike 
>>> videos. 
>>>
>>> He's got a couple very sweet Rivs and a gift for filming and editing 
>>> bicycle content. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 8:03:49 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
 I've been following him on Instagram. He's got a nice collection of 
 Riv's and is constantly posting riding videos. No bike no likes right? I 
 subscribed to the YouTube channel. 

 On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 8:39:37 PM UTC-4 weste...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for sharing -- nice understated video that really is worth 
> watching -- makes me want to go cycle in Korea!  
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, Il 
>
>
> On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 10:16:40 PM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> Nice video of his adventures aboard a Clem in Korea. 
>>
>> https://youtu.be/IFoDkOQjk08?si=tOa6oP0IbiZmwNRQ
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: RBW Mug & Hat

[Greg Beachy]

Mug and hat have been sold.

On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 1:09:16 PM UTC-4 Greg Beachy wrote:

> Both are like new as I used them only once or twice. Time for them to find 
> a home to someone who will use them. Price doesn't include shipping which I 
> will provide after purchaser provides their zip code.
>
> Mug $20
> Hat $20
> Purchase both $35
>
> Best way to contact me is to text me at 502-974-7707 <(502)%20974-7707>.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Give this guy a Like and a Subscribe

[Josh Brown]

Hi Marcus I'm planning on being in Seoul and Busan in September with a
bike. Do you have any routes you'd be willing to share?

Josh in NYC

On Sun, Apr 21, 2024, 1:10 PM Marcus Gomersall <
probablyridingmyb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just realised my channel was shared on here. Thank you!
>
> On Tuesday 12 March 2024 at 10:09:34 UTC+9 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> QUALITY content!
>>
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 10:58:51 AM UTC-4 tio ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Glad to see he's making longer content for YouTube, as I've also been
>>> following him on IG for little while now and have been enjoying his bike
>>> videos.
>>>
>>> He's got a couple very sweet Rivs and a gift for filming and editing
>>> bicycle content.
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 8:03:49 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
 I've been following him on Instagram. He's got a nice collection of
 Riv's and is constantly posting riding videos. No bike no likes right? I
 subscribed to the YouTube channel.

 On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 8:39:37 PM UTC-4 weste...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for sharing -- nice understated video that really is worth
> watching -- makes me want to go cycle in Korea!
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, Il
>
>
> On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 10:16:40 PM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> Nice video of his adventures aboard a Clem in Korea.
>>
>> https://youtu.be/IFoDkOQjk08?si=tOa6oP0IbiZmwNRQ
>>
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[RBW] Re: TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Ted Durant]

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:02:25 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

FYI - The RH instructions say to inflate slowly and immediately deflate the 
tubes completely after the tire pops into position, then reinflate.


Well, I put them on my Riv Road today, was very careful with the 
installation, and had the same result. One of the tubes broke at the valve 
stem immediately on inflation in the tire. The rims are narrow Fir, and the 
tires are a pretty tight fit. I used levers to remove the tire but was able 
to reinstall without levers. New tires with only a few rides on them.

So, I've needed 6 tubes to get 4 tires going. That makes the economics a 
little harder to justify. It also makes carrying a new one as a spare a bit 
of Russian roulette.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA 

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[RBW] Re: FS: RBW Mug & Hat

[J Schwartz]

If anyone has another one of these hats and would like to move it on, 
please let me know
I purchased one from Riv when they were released and wore it/washed it 
until the point to total disintegration.
love that hat.

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 11:47:36 AM UTC-4 gbea...@gmail.com wrote:

> Mug and hat have been sold.
>
> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 1:09:16 PM UTC-4 Greg Beachy wrote:
>
>> Both are like new as I used them only once or twice. Time for them to 
>> find a home to someone who will use them. Price doesn't include shipping 
>> which I will provide after purchaser provides their zip code.
>>
>> Mug $20
>> Hat $20
>> Purchase both $35
>>
>> Best way to contact me is to text me at 502-974-7707 <(502)%20974-7707>.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Patrick Moore]

I'm watching TPUs, RH TPUs in particular, for possible use if they find a
workable sealant, and this fails to inspire confidence, particularly as RH
claims strong metal valves as a competitive advantage. But presumably RH
will replace or refund for the defective tubes?

On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 10:51 AM Ted Durant  wrote:

> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:02:25 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
> FYI - The RH instructions say to inflate slowly and immediately deflate
> the tubes completely after the tire pops into position, then reinflate.
>
>
> Well, I put them on my Riv Road today, was very careful with the
> installation, and had the same result. One of the tubes broke at the valve
> stem immediately on inflation in the tire. The rims are narrow Fir, and the
> tires are a pretty tight fit. I used levers to remove the tire but was able
> to reinstall without levers. New tires with only a few rides on them.
>
> So, I've needed 6 tubes to get 4 tires going. That makes the economics a
> little harder to justify. It also makes carrying a new one as a spare a bit
> of Russian roulette.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Corwin Zechar]

Hi Leah -

I would generally agree with what Ted said. Riding position and fit are 
very important. But I don't think that's the only criteria I would use. I 
have ten bikes. Five are Rivs. I have a Custom, Quickbeam, Roadeo, Ram and 
Hubbuhubbuh. I find that geometry is important in my riding. Some bikes can 
be more "twitchy" and/or less stable because of their geometry. Things like 
trail, head and seat tube angles and bottom bracket drop can affect the 
handling and stability of a bike. I don't get hung up on numbers, and judge 
the handling and stability based on how a bike rides.

All of my Rivs are rock-solid stable and handle exceptionally well. I know 
that the low center of gravity, trail and angles contribute to this. 
Stability and handling are very important to me because I ride lots of 
hills. Going uphill depends on gears, fitness and leg strength. The 
stability and handling come into play going downhill. Rivs provide a level 
of confidence I don't get on other bikes. You can be sure the bike will go 
where you point it.

About Albastache and Mustache bars - I have five bikes (some of them Rivs) 
with Mustache and Albastache bars. I find I can get every bit as low on 
Mustache and Albastache bars as on drop bars. The rest of my bikes have 
drop bars. The main thing I like about drop bars is riding the hoods. On 
drops, I find there are primarily three hand positions: 1) on the hoods, 2) 
on the ramps (slightly farther back than on the hoods) and 3) on the flats 
on either side of the stem. I rarely get into the drops. With the 
Albastache and Mustache, I find I have more riding positions.

Have fun on your road bike, whatever you get.

Regards,


Corwin
On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 2:07:47 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I promise not to be offended by a great wave of advice coming my way here 
> - I have asked for it and you all have kindly delivered. 
>
> Ok, ok….I really will consider drop bars. But I do wonder…everyone says 
> they offer so many hand positions; but I only see people with their hands 
> on the hoods. Are riders really utilizing different hand positions? 
>
> Also, I saw a pic of an albastache with brake levers in the middle of the 
> bar. Would this mimic the freedom of hand position changes a drop bar 
> offers? 
>
> I practiced tonight on my ride by grabbing the front of my Billie bars. It 
> felt nice to be stretched out like that, but with no access to brakes or 
> shifters from there I didn’t like to stay long. Unnerving.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 21, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
>
> This is going to be a fun thread. Please don't take a great volume of 
> advice as condescending; I think that this thread will elicit a very large 
> amount of love for road bikes as a distinct genus of bicycle.
>
> I think you very particularly will benefit a great deal from the right 
> road bike and that once you get things basically sorted you will find that 
> you enjoy it immensely for the kind of riding you describe. There is a 
> perfection of fit and feel and a real pleasure in riding a well set up 
> traditional road bike -- I don't mean racing bike -- that you don't find 
> with other combinations of frame, saddle, bar, and their relative 
> positions. Really, this sort of setup on the right sort of frame is *more* 
> comfortable, 
> *more* natural, *more* pleasant for energetic riding than other setups; 
> at least, I've always found it so, and there's a reason why the traditional 
> road bike was developed so quickly after the chain-driven safety was 
> invented and why it has remained largely the same for going on for 150 
> years.
>
> Note: I don't say that *everyone* who rides energetically should have a 
> road bike, but everyone who does so and can try ought at least to give one 
> a try. Again, there is an efficiency and comfort -- really, a "fit" like 
> that of a custom suit or perfect tool -- offered by an intelligently spec'd 
> and set up road bike that, you don't -- or at least, *I don't,* -- get 
> with any other sort of bike.
>
> Me, based on my experience, I'd certainly start by keeping my eye out for 
> a used Roadeo or Riv Road or LongLow or Ram or Heron. But for the final and 
> perfect version, I'd not close my mind a priori to other makes. I am 
> guessing, but I would not be surprised if, after your usual rapid learning 
> cycle, this time with a road bike, you end up with a custom. My favorite 
> bike of all time out of several scores is a custom Riv Road, but I've owned 
> 2 other Riv Road customs plus a Ram (and the Sam) not to mention many other 
> road bikes, and I've sold them all on to finally get what for me is belated 
> perfection in the 2 Matthews customs  -- tho' these used the Rivs as 
> general design templates.
>
> I rode the gofast Riv fixie road bike to and from church today with the 
> usual annoying NE winds while inbound N and E and the usual SW winds on 
> return N and W. For the umpteen mil

[RBW] Re: TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Bill Lindsay]

I received three of the Rene Herse 584x45-68mm variant in the mail this 
morning, and installed two on my custom Falconer without issue.  The third 
will serve as a spare.  They measured 56g each and the butyl tubes I 
removed weighed 358g combined, so that's over a half-pound of weight 
reduction.  Mine have the black (longer) valve stem, and the very cute blue 
valve caps.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 9:51:53 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:02:25 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
> FYI - The RH instructions say to inflate slowly and immediately deflate 
> the tubes completely after the tire pops into position, then reinflate.
>
>
> Well, I put them on my Riv Road today, was very careful with the 
> installation, and had the same result. One of the tubes broke at the valve 
> stem immediately on inflation in the tire. The rims are narrow Fir, and the 
> tires are a pretty tight fit. I used levers to remove the tire but was able 
> to reinstall without levers. New tires with only a few rides on them.
>
> So, I've needed 6 tubes to get 4 tires going. That makes the economics a 
> little harder to justify. It also makes carrying a new one as a spare a bit 
> of Russian roulette.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Appaloosa Double Top Tube Disc Brake

[eric swain]

Bump. 

I'd also part it out. Frame/fork/headset/seat post/front rack/stem $1000. 

On Monday, April 8, 2024 at 4:38:40 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Nice. I find disc-brake retro-equipped Rivendells rather interesting; I 
> know another person retrofitted them to a very nice Atlantis.
>
> Who else has done this, and why?
>
> Me, I like discs for dirt riding tho' they don't add anything for my 
> pavement riding.
>
> On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 4:56 PM eric swain  wrote:
>
>> And here is a full list of parts.
>>
>> Frame & fork: 58cm Joe Appaloosa with double top tubes AND disc brake 
>> tabs added by Walt Works.
>> Headset: Tange Levin CDS
>> Stem:  Crust/Nitto, 31.8mm, 75mm, silver 
>> Handlebars: Tumbleweed Persuader, steel, cut to 760mm 
>> Grips: DMR Deathgrip
>> Brake levers: Shimano BL-M600
>> Brakes: Paul Klampers, long pull, Paul brake adapters. Avid Clean Sweep 
>> G2 160mm Rotors
>> Shifters: Shimano XT SL-M750
>> Rear Derailleur: Shimano Deore RD-M591
>> Front Derailleur: Shimano Deore XT Triple
>> Cassette: Sram PG-950 9 speed, 11-34
>> Chain: Sram PC-951
>> Cranks: Shimano Deore FC-MT60, 175mm, 110/74 bcd, Shimano chain rings 
>> 46t/30t(46 mounted in the middle position, 30 in the small ring position)
>> Bottom Bracket: Shimano UN55 68 x 118mm
>> Pedals: No pedals, I'm keeping the Speedplay platforms currently 
>> installed. 
>> Hubs: Profile Racing Elite 6 bolt disc, 32h, black, QR, HG 11 speed road 
>> freehub body, Shimano XT skewers. I'll also include the end caps and 
>> hardware to convert hubs to bolt on.
>> Rims: Sun Ringle Rhyno Lites, 32h, black with machined sidewalls
>> Spokes/nipples, DT Swiss Competition, black, DT Swiss silver brass nipples
>> Tires: Schwalbe Marathon 700 x 50, regular inner tubes
>> Seat Post: Thomson Elite, silver. I'll include the Nitto post as well.
>> Saddle: Brooks Cambium C17
>> Front rack: Nitto Mark's Rack, silver with Wald 137 Basket
>> Fenders: Planet Bike Cascadia 29 x 65mm, Black
>>
>> On Monday, April 8, 2024 at 3:55:05 PM UTC-7 eric swain wrote:
>>
>>> Hey folks,
>>>
>>> Some of you may remember I tried selling my Appaloosa back in 2020. Well 
>>> at that time I decided to keep it, change a few parts, and have really 
>>> enjoyed it since then. Fun bike to ride, great set up for commuting, 
>>> running errands, dawdling around the neighborhood, and general bicycle 
>>> shenanigans. Fast forward to present times: my quiver has grown to a 
>>> ridiculous amount of bikes, my personal riding focus has shifted, I have a 
>>> new bike on the way, and I may be moving soon. I do not have room for every 
>>> bike and with a potential move I need scale back on large items, like 
>>> bikes. So this one is back up for sale! 
>>>
>>> I am asking $2000 as pictured(minus pedals). Including the Outershell 
>>> Wald 137 basket bag, Makeshifter Snackhole stem bag, Zefal frame pump, Paul 
>>> Gino light mount, and King cages. Bike is located in Portland OR. Test 
>>> rides are welcome. Boxing and shipping is no problem. Here is a link to 
>>> more pics and the geo.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/119mQzJCLMtSAMxge007HSiDUI9lv76W4?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Eric
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

All of these replies are interesting. And when I read one I think, “Yes, 
that’s right” and then read another which conflicts and change my mind. 
This is going to be a journey. I can’t even believe how much there is to 
know.

I’m later getting here than the rest of you, I think. It was 2012 when I 
first realized there were better bikes than the Walmart Schwinn I was 
pulling my preschoolers around with. I got a Betty Foy with the biggest 
racks and baskets money could buy and away we went. So happy! Still knowing 
nothing! 

Now those boys are in high school, and I live in a vibrant bike community 
and suddenly it’s a whole new world for me. Every riding season I end up 
learning and being stretched. I’m doing new kinds of rides, meeting lots of 
people, volunteering on bike committees, and venturing a lot further from 
home. 5 years ago I would never have believed I’d ride a metric century or 
enjoy club riding. This is all wonderful, but I’m hamstrung by my lack of 
experience. I always thought drop bars would have to be uncomfortable. It 
wasn’t until this thread that I even considered trying them. Are they a 
rite of passage? “Oh, you’ll never use them forever but just scratch the 
itch now so you can say you have.” Or are they the gold standard “They’ve 
been used for 100 years for good reason.” I worry I’m too late to start 
using them after all this time on albatross and Billies. I have to look up 
what “on the ramps” means. I don’t know what the “right” geometry is for a 
road bike belonging to a devoted Rivendell rider would be. I dread being 
uncomfortable. I fear screwing up with the new drop bars and crashing in a 
peloton. I have no idea what shifters I’d put on drop bars. I thought 
albastache might be a good compromise but heard they aren’t wrist-neutral 
and then that they are. So.Much.To.Know. But everything I do now scares me, 
so let’s go.

Keep your replies coming! I read every one, even if I don’t respond, I am 
definitely thinking about them and chatting with other RivSisters who have 
similar questions.

Thanks for taking the time!
Leah

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 1:31:40 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:

> Hi Leah -
>
> I would generally agree with what Ted said. Riding position and fit are 
> very important. But I don't think that's the only criteria I would use. I 
> have ten bikes. Five are Rivs. I have a Custom, Quickbeam, Roadeo, Ram and 
> Hubbuhubbuh. I find that geometry is important in my riding. Some bikes can 
> be more "twitchy" and/or less stable because of their geometry. Things like 
> trail, head and seat tube angles and bottom bracket drop can affect the 
> handling and stability of a bike. I don't get hung up on numbers, and judge 
> the handling and stability based on how a bike rides.
>
> All of my Rivs are rock-solid stable and handle exceptionally well. I know 
> that the low center of gravity, trail and angles contribute to this. 
> Stability and handling are very important to me because I ride lots of 
> hills. Going uphill depends on gears, fitness and leg strength. The 
> stability and handling come into play going downhill. Rivs provide a level 
> of confidence I don't get on other bikes. You can be sure the bike will go 
> where you point it.
>
> About Albastache and Mustache bars - I have five bikes (some of them Rivs) 
> with Mustache and Albastache bars. I find I can get every bit as low on 
> Mustache and Albastache bars as on drop bars. The rest of my bikes have 
> drop bars. The main thing I like about drop bars is riding the hoods. On 
> drops, I find there are primarily three hand positions: 1) on the hoods, 2) 
> on the ramps (slightly farther back than on the hoods) and 3) on the flats 
> on either side of the stem. I rarely get into the drops. With the 
> Albastache and Mustache, I find I have more riding positions.
>
> Have fun on your road bike, whatever you get.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Corwin
> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 2:07:47 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I promise not to be offended by a great wave of advice coming my way here 
>> - I have asked for it and you all have kindly delivered. 
>>
>> Ok, ok….I really will consider drop bars. But I do wonder…everyone says 
>> they offer so many hand positions; but I only see people with their hands 
>> on the hoods. Are riders really utilizing different hand positions? 
>>
>> Also, I saw a pic of an albastache with brake levers in the middle of the 
>> bar. Would this mimic the freedom of hand position changes a drop bar 
>> offers? 
>>
>> I practiced tonight on my ride by grabbing the front of my Billie bars. 
>> It felt nice to be stretched out like that, but with no access to brakes or 
>> shifters from there I didn’t like to stay long. Unnerving.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> This is going to be a fun thread. Please don't take a great volume of 
>> advice as condescending; I think that this thread will 

Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Ted Durant]

> On Apr 22, 2024, at 12:56 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> I received three of the Rene Herse 584x45-68mm variant in the mail this 
> morning, and installed two on my custom Falconer without issue.  The third 
> will serve as a spare. 

Anyone else who has received RH TPU tubes … mine have a little round piece of 
plastic between the valve stem and the tube, like a cute little collar, that 
seems to be for reinforcement, but it’s not actually attached to the tube - 
it’s just floating there. If it was glued to the tube, it probably would have 
prevented the leak. Anybody else looked at their tubes - is that collar 
attached or flapping around?


Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA


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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Bill Lindsay]

That little ring on mine is not glued down.  It reminds me of a 
"Shakespeare collar", properly called a ruff:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruff_(clothing)

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA


On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 11:28:06 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Apr 22, 2024, at 12:56 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> I received three of the Rene Herse 584x45-68mm variant in the mail this 
> morning, and installed two on my custom Falconer without issue.  The third 
> will serve as a spare. 
>
>
> Anyone else who has received RH TPU tubes … mine have a little round piece 
> of plastic between the valve stem and the tube, like a cute little collar, 
> that seems to be for reinforcement, but it’s not actually attached to the 
> tube - it’s just floating there. If it was glued to the tube, it probably 
> would have prevented the leak. Anybody else looked at their tubes - is that 
> collar attached or flapping around?
>
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Bill Lindsay]

Photo of the Tube Ruff:

https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53672228005/in/dateposted/

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 11:31:55 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> That little ring on mine is not glued down.  It reminds me of a 
> "Shakespeare collar", properly called a ruff:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruff_(clothing)
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 11:28:06 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Apr 22, 2024, at 12:56 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> I received three of the Rene Herse 584x45-68mm variant in the mail this 
>> morning, and installed two on my custom Falconer without issue.  The third 
>> will serve as a spare. 
>>
>>
>> Anyone else who has received RH TPU tubes … mine have a little round 
>> piece of plastic between the valve stem and the tube, like a cute little 
>> collar, that seems to be for reinforcement, but it’s not actually attached 
>> to the tube - it’s just floating there. If it was glued to the tube, it 
>> probably would have prevented the leak. Anybody else looked at their tubes 
>> - is that collar attached or flapping around?
>>
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Ted Durant]

Yeah, I was going to call it that but thought people would consider me weird. 
;-)

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

> On Apr 22, 2024, at 1:31 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> That little ring on mine is not glued down.  It reminds me of a "Shakespeare 
> collar", properly called a ruff:
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruff_(clothing)
> 
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> 
> 
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 11:28:06 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>> On Apr 22, 2024, at 12:56 PM, Bill Lindsay > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I received three of the Rene Herse 584x45-68mm variant in the mail this 
>>> morning, and installed two on my custom Falconer without issue.  The third 
>>> will serve as a spare. 
>> 
>> Anyone else who has received RH TPU tubes … mine have a little round piece 
>> of plastic between the valve stem and the tube, like a cute little collar, 
>> that seems to be for reinforcement, but it’s not actually attached to the 
>> tube - it’s just floating there. If it was glued to the tube, it probably 
>> would have prevented the leak. Anybody else looked at their tubes - is that 
>> collar attached or flapping around?
>> 
>> 
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
> 
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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Bill Lindsay]

People consider me weird regardless.  ;-)

Did you pay attention to the instructions on the box?  Particularly with 
respect to their warning that you want to pump it up slowly so the material 
has a chance to stretch?  I read that as a "no compressors" warning.  I 
always use my floor pump anyway, because that's the gauge I trust.  I only 
use my compressor to seat tubeless tires.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 12:11:38 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> Yeah, I was going to call it that but thought people would consider me 
> weird. ;-)
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>
> On Apr 22, 2024, at 1:31 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> That little ring on mine is not glued down.  It reminds me of a 
> "Shakespeare collar", properly called a ruff:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruff_(clothing)
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 11:28:06 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Apr 22, 2024, at 12:56 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> I received three of the Rene Herse 584x45-68mm variant in the mail this 
>> morning, and installed two on my custom Falconer without issue.  The third 
>> will serve as a spare. 
>>
>>
>> Anyone else who has received RH TPU tubes … mine have a little round 
>> piece of plastic between the valve stem and the tube, like a cute little 
>> collar, that seems to be for reinforcement, but it’s not actually attached 
>> to the tube - it’s just floating there. If it was glued to the tube, it 
>> probably would have prevented the leak. Anybody else looked at their tubes 
>> - is that collar attached or flapping around?
>>
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Bill Lindsay]

"I have to look up what “on the ramps” means. "

Five hand-positions, defined and illustrated, by the lovely "Lovely 
Bicycle":

http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2012/06/drop-bar-hand-positions-introduction.html

BL in EC
On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 11:16:35 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> All of these replies are interesting. And when I read one I think, “Yes, 
> that’s right” and then read another which conflicts and change my mind. 
> This is going to be a journey. I can’t even believe how much there is to 
> know.
>
> I’m later getting here than the rest of you, I think. It was 2012 when I 
> first realized there were better bikes than the Walmart Schwinn I was 
> pulling my preschoolers around with. I got a Betty Foy with the biggest 
> racks and baskets money could buy and away we went. So happy! Still knowing 
> nothing! 
>
> Now those boys are in high school, and I live in a vibrant bike community 
> and suddenly it’s a whole new world for me. Every riding season I end up 
> learning and being stretched. I’m doing new kinds of rides, meeting lots of 
> people, volunteering on bike committees, and venturing a lot further from 
> home. 5 years ago I would never have believed I’d ride a metric century or 
> enjoy club riding. This is all wonderful, but I’m hamstrung by my lack of 
> experience. I always thought drop bars would have to be uncomfortable. It 
> wasn’t until this thread that I even considered trying them. Are they a 
> rite of passage? “Oh, you’ll never use them forever but just scratch the 
> itch now so you can say you have.” Or are they the gold standard “They’ve 
> been used for 100 years for good reason.” I worry I’m too late to start 
> using them after all this time on albatross and Billies. I have to look up 
> what “on the ramps” means. I don’t know what the “right” geometry is for a 
> road bike belonging to a devoted Rivendell rider would be. I dread being 
> uncomfortable. I fear screwing up with the new drop bars and crashing in a 
> peloton. I have no idea what shifters I’d put on drop bars. I thought 
> albastache might be a good compromise but heard they aren’t wrist-neutral 
> and then that they are. So.Much.To.Know. But everything I do now scares me, 
> so let’s go.
>
> Keep your replies coming! I read every one, even if I don’t respond, I am 
> definitely thinking about them and chatting with other RivSisters who have 
> similar questions.
>
> Thanks for taking the time!
> Leah
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 1:31:40 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>> Hi Leah -
>>
>> I would generally agree with what Ted said. Riding position and fit are 
>> very important. But I don't think that's the only criteria I would use. I 
>> have ten bikes. Five are Rivs. I have a Custom, Quickbeam, Roadeo, Ram and 
>> Hubbuhubbuh. I find that geometry is important in my riding. Some bikes can 
>> be more "twitchy" and/or less stable because of their geometry. Things like 
>> trail, head and seat tube angles and bottom bracket drop can affect the 
>> handling and stability of a bike. I don't get hung up on numbers, and judge 
>> the handling and stability based on how a bike rides.
>>
>> All of my Rivs are rock-solid stable and handle exceptionally well. I 
>> know that the low center of gravity, trail and angles contribute to this. 
>> Stability and handling are very important to me because I ride lots of 
>> hills. Going uphill depends on gears, fitness and leg strength. The 
>> stability and handling come into play going downhill. Rivs provide a level 
>> of confidence I don't get on other bikes. You can be sure the bike will go 
>> where you point it.
>>
>> About Albastache and Mustache bars - I have five bikes (some of them 
>> Rivs) with Mustache and Albastache bars. I find I can get every bit as low 
>> on Mustache and Albastache bars as on drop bars. The rest of my bikes have 
>> drop bars. The main thing I like about drop bars is riding the hoods. On 
>> drops, I find there are primarily three hand positions: 1) on the hoods, 2) 
>> on the ramps (slightly farther back than on the hoods) and 3) on the flats 
>> on either side of the stem. I rarely get into the drops. With the 
>> Albastache and Mustache, I find I have more riding positions.
>>
>> Have fun on your road bike, whatever you get.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Corwin
>> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 2:07:47 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I promise not to be offended by a great wave of advice coming my way 
>>> here - I have asked for it and you all have kindly delivered. 
>>>
>>> Ok, ok….I really will consider drop bars. But I do wonder…everyone says 
>>> they offer so many hand positions; but I only see people with their hands 
>>> on the hoods. Are riders really utilizing different hand positions? 
>>>
>>> Also, I saw a pic of an albastache with brake levers in the middle of 
>>> the bar. Would this mimic the freedom of hand position changes a drop bar 
>>> offers? 
>>>
>>> I practiced tonight 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Patrick Moore]

And Velouria has an April 2024 post!

Leah might want to read back issues of Lovely Bicycle; Velouria/Constance
had a similar bike journey, including Rivendells and customs, from cycling
urban Boston to brevets, IIRC.

On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 1:30 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> "I have to look up what “on the ramps” means. "
>
> Five hand-positions, defined and illustrated, by the lovely "Lovely
> Bicycle":
>
>
> http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2012/06/drop-bar-hand-positions-introduction.html
>
> BL in EC
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 11:16:35 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> All of these replies are interesting. And when I read one I think, “Yes,
>> that’s right” and then read another which conflicts and change my mind.
>> This is going to be a journey. I can’t even believe how much there is to
>> know.
>>
>> I’m later getting here than the rest of you, I think. It was 2012 when I
>> first realized there were better bikes than the Walmart Schwinn I was
>> pulling my preschoolers around with. I got a Betty Foy with the biggest
>> racks and baskets money could buy and away we went. So happy! Still knowing
>> nothing!
>>
>> Now those boys are in high school, and I live in a vibrant bike community
>> and suddenly it’s a whole new world for me. Every riding season I end up
>> learning and being stretched. I’m doing new kinds of rides, meeting lots of
>> people, volunteering on bike committees, and venturing a lot further from
>> home. 5 years ago I would never have believed I’d ride a metric century or
>> enjoy club riding. This is all wonderful, but I’m hamstrung by my lack of
>> experience. I always thought drop bars would have to be uncomfortable. It
>> wasn’t until this thread that I even considered trying them. Are they a
>> rite of passage? “Oh, you’ll never use them forever but just scratch the
>> itch now so you can say you have.” Or are they the gold standard “They’ve
>> been used for 100 years for good reason.” I worry I’m too late to start
>> using them after all this time on albatross and Billies. I have to look up
>> what “on the ramps” means. I don’t know what the “right” geometry is for a
>> road bike belonging to a devoted Rivendell rider would be. I dread being
>> uncomfortable. I fear screwing up with the new drop bars and crashing in a
>> peloton. I have no idea what shifters I’d put on drop bars. I thought
>> albastache might be a good compromise but heard they aren’t wrist-neutral
>> and then that they are. So.Much.To.Know. But everything I do now scares me,
>> so let’s go.
>>
>> Keep your replies coming! I read every one, even if I don’t respond, I am
>> definitely thinking about them and chatting with other RivSisters who have
>> similar questions.
>>
>> Thanks for taking the time!
>> Leah
>>
>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 1:31:40 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Leah -
>>>
>>> I would generally agree with what Ted said. Riding position and fit are
>>> very important. But I don't think that's the only criteria I would use. I
>>> have ten bikes. Five are Rivs. I have a Custom, Quickbeam, Roadeo, Ram and
>>> Hubbuhubbuh. I find that geometry is important in my riding. Some bikes can
>>> be more "twitchy" and/or less stable because of their geometry. Things like
>>> trail, head and seat tube angles and bottom bracket drop can affect the
>>> handling and stability of a bike. I don't get hung up on numbers, and judge
>>> the handling and stability based on how a bike rides.
>>>
>>> All of my Rivs are rock-solid stable and handle exceptionally well. I
>>> know that the low center of gravity, trail and angles contribute to this.
>>> Stability and handling are very important to me because I ride lots of
>>> hills. Going uphill depends on gears, fitness and leg strength. The
>>> stability and handling come into play going downhill. Rivs provide a level
>>> of confidence I don't get on other bikes. You can be sure the bike will go
>>> where you point it.
>>>
>>> About Albastache and Mustache bars - I have five bikes (some of them
>>> Rivs) with Mustache and Albastache bars. I find I can get every bit as low
>>> on Mustache and Albastache bars as on drop bars. The rest of my bikes have
>>> drop bars. The main thing I like about drop bars is riding the hoods. On
>>> drops, I find there are primarily three hand positions: 1) on the hoods, 2)
>>> on the ramps (slightly farther back than on the hoods) and 3) on the flats
>>> on either side of the stem. I rarely get into the drops. With the
>>> Albastache and Mustache, I find I have more riding positions.
>>>
>>> Have fun on your road bike, whatever you get.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> Corwin
>>> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 2:07:47 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I promise not to be offended by a great wave of advice coming my way
 here - I have asked for it and you all have kindly delivered.

 Ok, ok….I really will consider drop bars. But I do wonder…everyone says
 they offer so many hand po

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[RBW] Re: TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[lconley]

Additional instructions on the RH website.
[image: 0.jpg]

Laing Conley

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 8:02:25 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> FYI - The RH instructions say to inflate slowly and immediately deflate 
> the tubes completely after the tire pops into position, then reinflate.
>
> Laing Conley
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:53:30 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> I received mine from Rene Herse on Saturday, hope to get them mounted 
>> today on my Riv Custom - 650B x 48 Switchback Hill tires on Velocity Quill 
>> rims.  I currently have the lightweight Schwalbe butyl tubes.  I use Velo 
>> Plugs instead of rim tape. 
>> I like the smooth shiny silver stems. The blue caps will end up on the 
>> blue Frank Jones Sr. They were already sold out of the 700C x 44 or I would 
>> have put the TPU tubes on it also.  Another swig of the Kool-Aid.
>>
>> Laing Conley
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 10:41:36 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Last evening I mounted a pair of WTB TPU inner tubes under 700c x 48mm 
>>> knobby RH tires. I was pleasantly surprised by how easily they mounted up 
>>> with just enough inflation to plump them a bit. Easier than any butyl tubes 
>>> I've ever used. 
>>>
>>> Today I took the bike out on my usual graveled forest service road 
>>> route, bleeding the front end down from 27 to 25 psi about 1/2 into the 
>>> ride  My first impression is that they  compare favorably to the ride feel 
>>> of a tubeless setup. 
>>>
>>> Before I sip the kool aid and start buying more of these things - given 
>>> the cost - I'm wondering if anyone has had long term experience with them 
>>> (not necessarily the WTB version).   Any punctures, did they patch 
>>> satisfactorily? Longevity? Your impressions of the quality?
>>>
>>>  I'll add that they dropped about 200 grams of ugly fat from the wheels 
>>> - but that wasn't my main objective.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Ted Durant]

> On Apr 22, 2024, at 2:17 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> Did you pay attention to the instructions on the box?  Particularly with 
> respect to their warning that you want to pump it up slowly so the material 
> has a chance to stretch?  I read that as a "no compressors" warning.  I 
> always use my floor pump anyway, because that's the gauge I trust.  I only 
> use my compressor to seat tubeless tires.  
> 

Silca floor pump. Started leaking on the 3rd or 4th stroke. And they don’t say 
to pump it up slowly, they say to inflate it 20psi at a time. I was nowhere 
near 20 psi.


Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Ted Durant]

In the site instructions it says 10psi at a time. On the box it says 20.

I was nowhere near 10psi when they failed.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Corwin Zechar]

Since you could easily put the same components on either a Roadeo or a 
Roadini (with the possible exception of the stem - if you had a Roadeo with 
a threadless steerer), I don't understand how the difference would be in 
the components.

Seems to me that the difference would be mostly in the standover height and 
the wheelbase.

Regards,

Corwin

On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 2:16:59 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I doubt the Roadeo is a TON lighter than a Roadini. I think the weight 
> details would be in the build more than anything else. As far as bars are 
> concerned drops are fun on a road bike but not required. My recommendation 
> for a non-drop road setup would be the Albastache bars which are IMO the 
> best road bars out there.
>
> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 5:12:07 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Ryan - sorry.  I don't always see things as clearly with my aged 
>> ready-for-cataract surgery eyeballs.  Nevertheless, it bears repeating.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:06:11 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> 81 PBH was mentioned
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:04:52 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 There ya go Leah!...Put yourself in Bill's more-than-capable hands and 
 you won't go wrong!

 On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 3:51:55 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Leah
>
> My previous Roadeo was set up as a straight-ahead stripped down road 
> bike, and I would have used that anyplace anybody rides a road bike.  
> After 
> selling that, and while I was waiting for my new pink Roadeo, I used my 
> Black Mountain Road in that stripped down road bike slot, and that bike 
> was 
> the deal of the century, IMO.  The RoadeoRosa revealed itself to be more 
> than just a stripped down road bike: It has insisted to become my 700c 
> randonneuse.  
>
> Anyway, I did a very fast build on a Leo Roadini, last batch, and my 
> best-ever brevet time was on that bike.  So I think it's doable.  The 
> newer 
> batch with its long reach brakes feels less "roadie".  
>
> I can sympathize with the desire to run a Riv, but I'd also recommend 
> casting a wider net, because smaller frame sized used road bikes can be 
> had 
> at a really good price.  Maybe if you start trolling Michigan craigslist 
> and the next time I'm out in Wayne County for work I can come be your 
> personal shopper.  :)
>
> Anything that can be set up with drop bars can probably also be set up 
> with an albastache build, which may ease you in.  Also, having a 
> placeholder road bike could free you up to put a deposit on a Roadeo and 
> then you'll have both!  
>
> Do let me know if you want more advice
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>> ideal. 
>>
>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know 
>> what 
>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have 
>> before. 
>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>
>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
>> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach 
>> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it 
>> out 
>> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart 
>> rate 
>> was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else 
>> agreed 
>> it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and 
>> I’m 
>> the youngest and probably the most fit. 
>>
>> Leah
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Bill Lindsay]

"they don’t say to pump it up slowly"

Maybe your box reads differently than mine.  I will quote from the second 
sentence on Step 6:

"Rapid airflow seats the tire abruptly, overstretching the tube until it 
can rip"

That is the sentence I paraphrased as "don't pump it up fast, pump it up 
slowly". 

That's not germane here, because you used a floor pump.  I used a floor 
pump, too.  Sounds like you've got a pair of bum tubes.  

BL in EC

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 12:58:08 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> > On Apr 22, 2024, at 2:17 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> > 
> > Did you pay attention to the instructions on the box? Particularly with 
> respect to their warning that you want to pump it up slowly so the material 
> has a chance to stretch? I read that as a "no compressors" warning. I 
> always use my floor pump anyway, because that's the gauge I trust. I only 
> use my compressor to seat tubeless tires. 
> > 
>
> Silca floor pump. Started leaking on the 3rd or 4th stroke. And they don’t 
> say to pump it up slowly, they say to inflate it 20psi at a time. I was 
> nowhere near 20 psi.
>
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Rivendells in South Korea

[Ben Adrian]

I've been watching all of these. Fantastic channel.

Ben

On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 4:31:51 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> It is very definitely permitted to post such interesting videos here; 
> thanks for doing so. I particularly enjoyed (out of the 2 I've watched) the 
> grocery shopping one. + 1 for riding a Riv to make mundane chores into 
> modest and wholly appealing adventures.
>
> Please tell us where you are from, what you do, and why you are living in 
> Seoul?
>
> Also, please tell us who makes your panniers and what the model is.
>
> I do almost all my errands and commuting by bike (not that there's a great 
> deal to do, but =/< 600 miles per year on my car for the last many years), 
> but while these rides traverse pleasant routes they're not the sort that 
> merits videotaping. If I were say in Old Town Albuquerque it might be 
> different.
>
> Others in interesting locales, please post videos of your own errand rides.
>
> Patrick Moore, who lived in Old Town Quebec and remembers Empress 
> (Victoria!) market in Karachi where flies outnumbered (the thousands of) 
> people by many orders of magnitude..
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 11:10 AM Marcus Gomersall  
> wrote:
>
>> Hello fellow Rivendell enthusiasts,
>>
>> I'm Marcus, I live in Seoul, South Korea and am probably riding one of my 
>> Rivs around. I recently started a Youtube channel and thought some people 
>> on here might be interested in seeing it. I have some bike checks of my 
>> Clem, Romulus, Atlantis and Velo Orange Polyvalent but it's mostly 
>> showcasing what cycling in Korea is like. 
>>
>> I hope it's ok to post here and hope you enjoy!  Probably Riding - 
>> YouTube 
>>
>> Thanks for all of your discussions on this group!
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>

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RE: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Bernard Duhon]

The collar is glued down on Tubolitos



Yours sincerely,


Bernard F. Duhon

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Bill Lindsay
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2024 1:32 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

That little ring on mine is not glued down.  It reminds me of a "Shakespeare 
collar", properly called a ruff:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruff_(clothing)

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 11:28:06 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
On Apr 22, 2024, at 12:56 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

I received three of the Rene Herse 584x45-68mm variant in the mail this 
morning, and installed two on my custom Falconer without issue.  The third will 
serve as a spare.

Anyone else who has received RH TPU tubes … mine have a little round piece of 
plastic between the valve stem and the tube, like a cute little collar, that 
seems to be for reinforcement, but it’s not actually attached to the tube - 
it’s just floating there. If it was glued to the tube, it probably would have 
prevented the leak. Anybody else looked at their tubes - is that collar 
attached or flapping around?


Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA
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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Peter Adler]

My hunch is that the plastic (rubber?) donut is acting as a spacer for the 
valve stem, so that the tube isn't rubbing directly against the often-rough 
edge of the valve hole. On the recommendation of otherBOBs, i've been 
threading a second dork nut onto my valve stems for the last few years, to 
push the rubber outboard at an unpatchable spot. I'd bee wondering whether 
the RH valve stems were threaded all the way down; sounds like they've 
obviated the need with the rubber donut.

For general knowledge, if anyone wanted to produce a similar effect without 
the extra weight of a dork nut, the little rubber donuts used to keep 
cables from rubbing against finish look like they'd work.

Peter Adler
Berkeley, California

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 11:28:06 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

Anyone else who has received RH TPU tubes … mine have a little round piece 
of plastic between the valve stem and the tube, like a cute little collar, 
that seems to be for reinforcement, but it’s not actually attached to the 
tube - it’s just floating there. If it was glued to the tube, it probably 
would have prevented the leak. Anybody else looked at their tubes - is that 
collar attached or flapping around?

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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Chris Fly]

seems like a lot of faff for a tube, esp to save a few grams on, mostly,
bike that are not weight weenie builds (I mean we're riding Rivs!!).. I
think I'll stick with latex if I want a fast rolling, lightish tube.. and
butyl as backup in the bar bag..

On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 2:00 PM Peter Adler  wrote:

> My hunch is that the plastic (rubber?) donut is acting as a spacer for the
> valve stem, so that the tube isn't rubbing directly against the often-rough
> edge of the valve hole. On the recommendation of otherBOBs, i've been
> threading a second dork nut onto my valve stems for the last few years, to
> push the rubber outboard at an unpatchable spot. I'd bee wondering whether
> the RH valve stems were threaded all the way down; sounds like they've
> obviated the need with the rubber donut.
>
> For general knowledge, if anyone wanted to produce a similar effect
> without the extra weight of a dork nut, the little rubber donuts used to
> keep cables from rubbing against finish look like they'd work.
>
> Peter Adler
> Berkeley, California
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 11:28:06 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
> Anyone else who has received RH TPU tubes … mine have a little round piece
> of plastic between the valve stem and the tube, like a cute little collar,
> that seems to be for reinforcement, but it’s not actually attached to the
> tube - it’s just floating there. If it was glued to the tube, it probably
> would have prevented the leak. Anybody else looked at their tubes - is that
> collar attached or flapping around?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Laing Conley]

The most important thing about a road bike is that it must be orange. My
previous club riding bike was an orange Sam Hillborne. My current club
riding bike is my orange Rivendell Custom. Orange bikes have been proven
time and again to be faster than non-orange bikes. Molteni Orange is the
fastest shade of orange.
Sam Hillborne
[image: IMG_1609.jpg]

Custom
[image: 0.jpg]

Seriously though, a bike for club riding should be comfortable and I like
having drop bars on a road bike because they allow a variety of hand
positions for long rides. I did ride the Cross-Florida (175 miles in two
days) once on my green Bombadil with Bullmoose bars, but that is more the
exception than the rule. A Sam Hillborne or better yet an A Homer Hilsen
would make excellent road bikes if you cannot find a Rodeo. A Roadini would
also be an excellent choice if you do not need lugs on your frame.

Laing Conley

On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 4:23 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:

> Since you could easily put the same components on either a Roadeo or a
> Roadini (with the possible exception of the stem - if you had a Roadeo with
> a threadless steerer), I don't understand how the difference would be in
> the components.
>
> Seems to me that the difference would be mostly in the standover height
> and the wheelbase.
>
> Regards,
>
> Corwin
>
> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 2:16:59 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I doubt the Roadeo is a TON lighter than a Roadini. I think the weight
>> details would be in the build more than anything else. As far as bars are
>> concerned drops are fun on a road bike but not required. My recommendation
>> for a non-drop road setup would be the Albastache bars which are IMO the
>> best road bars out there.
>>
>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 5:12:07 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Ryan - sorry.  I don't always see things as clearly with my aged
>>> ready-for-cataract surgery eyeballs.  Nevertheless, it bears repeating.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:06:11 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 81 PBH was mentioned

 On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:04:52 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> There ya go Leah!...Put yourself in Bill's more-than-capable hands and
> you won't go wrong!
>
> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 3:51:55 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Leah
>>
>> My previous Roadeo was set up as a straight-ahead stripped down road
>> bike, and I would have used that anyplace anybody rides a road bike.  
>> After
>> selling that, and while I was waiting for my new pink Roadeo, I used my
>> Black Mountain Road in that stripped down road bike slot, and that bike 
>> was
>> the deal of the century, IMO.  The RoadeoRosa revealed itself to be more
>> than just a stripped down road bike: It has insisted to become my 700c
>> randonneuse.
>>
>> Anyway, I did a very fast build on a Leo Roadini, last batch, and my
>> best-ever brevet time was on that bike.  So I think it's doable.  The 
>> newer
>> batch with its long reach brakes feels less "roadie".
>>
>> I can sympathize with the desire to run a Riv, but I'd also recommend
>> casting a wider net, because smaller frame sized used road bikes can be 
>> had
>> at a really good price.  Maybe if you start trolling Michigan craigslist
>> and the next time I'm out in Wayne County for work I can come be your
>> personal shopper.  :)
>>
>> Anything that can be set up with drop bars can probably also be set
>> up with an albastache build, which may ease you in.  Also, having a
>> placeholder road bike could free you up to put a deposit on a Roadeo and
>> then you'll have both!
>>
>> Do let me know if you want more advice
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a
>>> Rivendell roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know
>>> that the Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea
>>> what is going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one 
>>> looks
>>> great but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which 
>>> would be
>>> ideal.
>>>
>>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has
>>> a Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know
>>> what size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have
>>> before. I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>>
>>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does
>>> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach
>>> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it 
>>> out
>>> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart 
>>> ra

[RBW] lww rider pannier rack V. "brake level pannier rack

[Bernard Duhon]

Paved tour coming up .
I have always used low rider pannier rack for front panniers,
On my planned trip there won’t be more than 7 pounds in each front pannier.
I will have a rear load also (20pounds)
The rack I use for my handlebar bag is sturdy enough for this load.  The bikes 
is already set up for the  handlebar bag rack. You know the drill ,fenders, 
light etc.
Should I go thu the trouble of setting  up the low mount rack.
Trail on bike is 56.
What is the handling difference between a front low mount and front high mount 
panniers?

So what say ye?

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Re: [RBW] Rivendells in South Korea

[Marcus Gomersall]

Hi Patrick,

I always enjoy errands by bike but it's especially enjoyable on an 
Atlantis. The panniers are from Swift Industries.  Originally from the 
UK, I've been in Seoul on and off since 2009 for work. Will be here for a 
few more years at least.

On Monday 22 April 2024 at 08:31:51 UTC+9 Patrick Moore wrote:

> It is very definitely permitted to post such interesting videos here; 
> thanks for doing so. I particularly enjoyed (out of the 2 I've watched) the 
> grocery shopping one. + 1 for riding a Riv to make mundane chores into 
> modest and wholly appealing adventures.
>
> Please tell us where you are from, what you do, and why you are living in 
> Seoul?
>
> Also, please tell us who makes your panniers and what the model is.
>
> I do almost all my errands and commuting by bike (not that there's a great 
> deal to do, but =/< 600 miles per year on my car for the last many years), 
> but while these rides traverse pleasant routes they're not the sort that 
> merits videotaping. If I were say in Old Town Albuquerque it might be 
> different.
>
> Others in interesting locales, please post videos of your own errand rides.
>
> Patrick Moore, who lived in Old Town Quebec and remembers Empress 
> (Victoria!) market in Karachi where flies outnumbered (the thousands of) 
> people by many orders of magnitude..
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 11:10 AM Marcus Gomersall  
> wrote:
>
>> Hello fellow Rivendell enthusiasts,
>>
>> I'm Marcus, I live in Seoul, South Korea and am probably riding one of my 
>> Rivs around. I recently started a Youtube channel and thought some people 
>> on here might be interested in seeing it. I have some bike checks of my 
>> Clem, Romulus, Atlantis and Velo Orange Polyvalent but it's mostly 
>> showcasing what cycling in Korea is like. 
>>
>> I hope it's ok to post here and hope you enjoy!  Probably Riding - 
>> YouTube 
>>
>> Thanks for all of your discussions on this group!
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[George Schick]

When you "cut to the chase" many of us old farts on this blog started 
riding bikes in a serious way back in the early 70's.  And the go-to manual 
for bikers back then was Eugene Sloane's "The Complete Book of Bicycling."  
In that excellent instruction manual, as it were, he went to a great extent 
to appeal to the use of "drop bars" (or simply road bars by most folks back 
then) for road riders.  Of course, many different developments in cycling 
have taken place since then, especially the introduction of the so-called 
"hybrid bikes" with flat bars and the "mountain bikes," both of which 
introduced different types of handlebars, tire types, and saddles.  It's a 
bit of a lament that the regular "road bike" of the previous decades where 
"drop bars," saddle types, gearing, tires, etc. of the previous period more 
or less disappeared in the advent of those unique biking configurations.  
Almost every time I venture out on a bike path around these parts I mostly 
see people riding bikes configured with a "hybrid" set up...unless, of 
course they're riding  e-bikes, which are becoming way too commonplace 
nowadays.  I would encourage anyone who has an inclination to pick up and 
begin riding regular road bikes to do so.
On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 1:16:35 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> All of these replies are interesting. And when I read one I think, “Yes, 
> that’s right” and then read another which conflicts and change my mind. 
> This is going to be a journey. I can’t even believe how much there is to 
> know.
>
> I’m later getting here than the rest of you, I think. It was 2012 when I 
> first realized there were better bikes than the Walmart Schwinn I was 
> pulling my preschoolers around with. I got a Betty Foy with the biggest 
> racks and baskets money could buy and away we went. So happy! Still knowing 
> nothing! 
>
> Now those boys are in high school, and I live in a vibrant bike community 
> and suddenly it’s a whole new world for me. Every riding season I end up 
> learning and being stretched. I’m doing new kinds of rides, meeting lots of 
> people, volunteering on bike committees, and venturing a lot further from 
> home. 5 years ago I would never have believed I’d ride a metric century or 
> enjoy club riding. This is all wonderful, but I’m hamstrung by my lack of 
> experience. I always thought drop bars would have to be uncomfortable. It 
> wasn’t until this thread that I even considered trying them. Are they a 
> rite of passage? “Oh, you’ll never use them forever but just scratch the 
> itch now so you can say you have.” Or are they the gold standard “They’ve 
> been used for 100 years for good reason.” I worry I’m too late to start 
> using them after all this time on albatross and Billies. I have to look up 
> what “on the ramps” means. I don’t know what the “right” geometry is for a 
> road bike belonging to a devoted Rivendell rider would be. I dread being 
> uncomfortable. I fear screwing up with the new drop bars and crashing in a 
> peloton. I have no idea what shifters I’d put on drop bars. I thought 
> albastache might be a good compromise but heard they aren’t wrist-neutral 
> and then that they are. So.Much.To.Know. But everything I do now scares me, 
> so let’s go.
>
> Keep your replies coming! I read every one, even if I don’t respond, I am 
> definitely thinking about them and chatting with other RivSisters who have 
> similar questions.
>
> Thanks for taking the time!
> Leah
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 1:31:40 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>> Hi Leah -
>>
>> I would generally agree with what Ted said. Riding position and fit are 
>> very important. But I don't think that's the only criteria I would use. I 
>> have ten bikes. Five are Rivs. I have a Custom, Quickbeam, Roadeo, Ram and 
>> Hubbuhubbuh. I find that geometry is important in my riding. Some bikes can 
>> be more "twitchy" and/or less stable because of their geometry. Things like 
>> trail, head and seat tube angles and bottom bracket drop can affect the 
>> handling and stability of a bike. I don't get hung up on numbers, and judge 
>> the handling and stability based on how a bike rides.
>>
>> All of my Rivs are rock-solid stable and handle exceptionally well. I 
>> know that the low center of gravity, trail and angles contribute to this. 
>> Stability and handling are very important to me because I ride lots of 
>> hills. Going uphill depends on gears, fitness and leg strength. The 
>> stability and handling come into play going downhill. Rivs provide a level 
>> of confidence I don't get on other bikes. You can be sure the bike will go 
>> where you point it.
>>
>> About Albastache and Mustache bars - I have five bikes (some of them 
>> Rivs) with Mustache and Albastache bars. I find I can get every bit as low 
>> on Mustache and Albastache bars as on drop bars. The rest of my bikes have 
>> drop bars. The main thing I like about drop bars is riding the hoods. On 
>> drops, I find t

Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Steve]

About that ruff...   The WTB Nanoair TPU tubes I'm "trialing" also included 
a little O- ring on the stem. I was a bit stumped for a moment regarding 
their purpose as there was no mention of them in the included literature. 
IIRC they were at about the midpoint of the stems (which incidentally are 
black plastic on the WTBs).  I finally decided exactly what Peter suggests 
- that they are meant to protect the stem-tube junction from direct contact 
with the edge of the drilled rim hole.  I installed them at the base of the 
stem prior to inserting it through the rim.  I did pump them up slowly with 
the RH tires popping into place on I9 rims at about 40 psi - though the 
tires had already seen several hundred miles of use on those rims. To my 
mind, the whole thing was a much simpler process than dealing with 
measuring and installing liquid sealant. 

Fourflys, I get your' comment regarding weight savings - heck, I'm planning 
to try TPUs on my full fendered and front racked Platypus which tips the 
sales around  32 lbs. *However* - my experience has always been that 
reducing the rotational weight of the wheels/tires yields a noticeable 
 dividend in performance, especially when climbing or accelerating.  It's 
the same reason that I've long considered a primo wheel set to be a 
worthwhile upgrade.  
 
Steve in AVL

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 5:23:39 PM UTC-4 four...@gmail.com wrote:

> seems like a lot of faff for a tube, esp to save a few grams on, mostly, 
> bike that are not weight weenie builds (I mean we're riding Rivs!!).. I 
> think I'll stick with latex if I want a fast rolling, lightish tube.. and 
> butyl as backup in the bar bag..
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 2:00 PM Peter Adler  wrote:
>
>> My hunch is that the plastic (rubber?) donut is acting as a spacer for 
>> the valve stem, so that the tube isn't rubbing directly against the 
>> often-rough edge of the valve hole. On the recommendation of otherBOBs, 
>> i've been threading a second dork nut onto my valve stems for the last few 
>> years, to push the rubber outboard at an unpatchable spot. I'd bee 
>> wondering whether the RH valve stems were threaded all the way down; sounds 
>> like they've obviated the need with the rubber donut.
>>
>> For general knowledge, if anyone wanted to produce a similar effect 
>> without the extra weight of a dork nut, the little rubber donuts used to 
>> keep cables from rubbing against finish look like they'd work.
>>
>> Peter Adler
>> Berkeley, California
>>
>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 11:28:06 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>> Anyone else who has received RH TPU tubes … mine have a little round 
>> piece of plastic between the valve stem and the tube, like a cute little 
>> collar, that seems to be for reinforcement, but it’s not actually attached 
>> to the tube - it’s just floating there. If it was glued to the tube, it 
>> probably would have prevented the leak. Anybody else looked at their tubes 
>> - is that collar attached or flapping around?
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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Chris Fly]

Steve,
roger on the rotational weight for sure.. I guess where I see TPUs falling
down compared to latex tubes is a quality latex tube is around 75-80 grams,
compared to 35-45 grams for a TPU.. so not quite double, but we're also not
talking double like 100 vs 200 here.. guess I'm just not convinced I'd
notice 40 paperclip's worth of weight when spinning up my wheels.. esp when
we are talking the larger tires that most Riv riders roll with (or even my
30mm Vittorias on my Anderson).. but, hey, I'd never begrudge someone
buying something they wanted.. ;) the other issue, as I understand it, with
TPU tubes is once you inflate them, they will always maintain that size
they are when they are inflated, meaning they don't shrink back down to the
small packed size they were out of the package.. since that is one of the
biggest perks I've seen folks tout for TPUs (smaller footprint in the
saddlebag), it seems as it that would be negated when you go to put your
TPU tube back in your kit for next time? This is what I've read/seen on
videos, so I could be wrong since I've never tried them yet.. YMMV :)

Chris in Sonoma Co

On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 4:36 PM Steve  wrote:

> Fourflys, I get your' comment regarding weight savings - heck, I'm
> planning to try TPUs on my full fendered and front racked Platypus which
> tips the sales around  32 lbs. *However* - my experience has always
> been that reducing the rotational weight of the wheels/tires yields a
> noticeable  dividend in performance, especially when climbing or
> accelerating.  It's the same reason that I've long considered a primo wheel
> set to be a worthwhile upgrade.
>
> Steve in AVL
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 5:23:39 PM UTC-4 four...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> seems like a lot of faff for a tube, esp to save a few grams on, mostly,
>> bike that are not weight weenie builds (I mean we're riding Rivs!!).. I
>> think I'll stick with latex if I want a fast rolling, lightish tube.. and
>> butyl as backup in the bar bag..
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 2:00 PM Peter Adler  wrote:
>>
>>> My hunch is that the plastic (rubber?) donut is acting as a spacer for
>>> the valve stem, so that the tube isn't rubbing directly against the
>>> often-rough edge of the valve hole. On the recommendation of otherBOBs,
>>> i've been threading a second dork nut onto my valve stems for the last few
>>> years, to push the rubber outboard at an unpatchable spot. I'd bee
>>> wondering whether the RH valve stems were threaded all the way down; sounds
>>> like they've obviated the need with the rubber donut.
>>>
>>> For general knowledge, if anyone wanted to produce a similar effect
>>> without the extra weight of a dork nut, the little rubber donuts used to
>>> keep cables from rubbing against finish look like they'd work.
>>>
>>> Peter Adler
>>> Berkeley, California
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 11:28:06 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone else who has received RH TPU tubes … mine have a little round
>>> piece of plastic between the valve stem and the tube, like a cute little
>>> collar, that seems to be for reinforcement, but it’s not actually attached
>>> to the tube - it’s just floating there. If it was glued to the tube, it
>>> probably would have prevented the leak. Anybody else looked at their tubes
>>> - is that collar attached or flapping around?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Mathias Steiner]

Leah,
Don't overthink this. It's hard to build an actual "bad" bike, and the big 
names don't do it.
There are bike that are too "special" in some way -- too slow- or 
fast-handling, or whatever, but these are nuances. I can switch from a 
crit-geometry racer to a tourer and by the end of the block, I stop 
noticing it.

Check out this ad:
https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/bid/d/grand-rapids-bike-sale-40-or-less/7731072255.html

and go buy the ~51-52 cm red Centurion in the first picture.
For $40, you'll have something to play with and see how the setup might 
work for you.
If it's rideable, it's hard to see how this is not a good idea, and if 
Centurion built lousy bikes, I haven't heard of it.

cheers -mathias

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:35:58 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> When you "cut to the chase" many of us old farts on this blog started 
> riding bikes in a serious way back in the early 70's.  And the go-to manual 
> for bikers back then was Eugene Sloane's "The Complete Book of Bicycling."  
> In that excellent instruction manual, as it were, he went to a great extent 
> to appeal to the use of "drop bars" (or simply road bars by most folks back 
> then) for road riders.  Of course, many different developments in cycling 
> have taken place since then, especially the introduction of the so-called 
> "hybrid bikes" with flat bars and the "mountain bikes," both of which 
> introduced different types of handlebars, tire types, and saddles.  It's a 
> bit of a lament that the regular "road bike" of the previous decades where 
> "drop bars," saddle types, gearing, tires, etc. of the previous period more 
> or less disappeared in the advent of those unique biking configurations.  
> Almost every time I venture out on a bike path around these parts I mostly 
> see people riding bikes configured with a "hybrid" set up...unless, of 
> course they're riding  e-bikes, which are becoming way too commonplace 
> nowadays.  I would encourage anyone who has an inclination to pick up and 
> begin riding regular road bikes to do so.
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 1:16:35 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> All of these replies are interesting. And when I read one I think, “Yes, 
>> that’s right” and then read another which conflicts and change my mind. 
>> This is going to be a journey. I can’t even believe how much there is to 
>> know.
>>
>> I’m later getting here than the rest of you, I think. It was 2012 when I 
>> first realized there were better bikes than the Walmart Schwinn I was 
>> pulling my preschoolers around with. I got a Betty Foy with the biggest 
>> racks and baskets money could buy and away we went. So happy! Still knowing 
>> nothing! 
>>
>> Now those boys are in high school, and I live in a vibrant bike community 
>> and suddenly it’s a whole new world for me. Every riding season I end up 
>> learning and being stretched. I’m doing new kinds of rides, meeting lots of 
>> people, volunteering on bike committees, and venturing a lot further from 
>> home. 5 years ago I would never have believed I’d ride a metric century or 
>> enjoy club riding. This is all wonderful, but I’m hamstrung by my lack of 
>> experience. I always thought drop bars would have to be uncomfortable. It 
>> wasn’t until this thread that I even considered trying them. Are they a 
>> rite of passage? “Oh, you’ll never use them forever but just scratch the 
>> itch now so you can say you have.” Or are they the gold standard “They’ve 
>> been used for 100 years for good reason.” I worry I’m too late to start 
>> using them after all this time on albatross and Billies. I have to look up 
>> what “on the ramps” means. I don’t know what the “right” geometry is for a 
>> road bike belonging to a devoted Rivendell rider would be. I dread being 
>> uncomfortable. I fear screwing up with the new drop bars and crashing in a 
>> peloton. I have no idea what shifters I’d put on drop bars. I thought 
>> albastache might be a good compromise but heard they aren’t wrist-neutral 
>> and then that they are. So.Much.To.Know. But everything I do now scares me, 
>> so let’s go.
>>
>> Keep your replies coming! I read every one, even if I don’t respond, I am 
>> definitely thinking about them and chatting with other RivSisters who have 
>> similar questions.
>>
>> Thanks for taking the time!
>> Leah
>>
>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 1:31:40 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Leah -
>>>
>>> I would generally agree with what Ted said. Riding position and fit are 
>>> very important. But I don't think that's the only criteria I would use. I 
>>> have ten bikes. Five are Rivs. I have a Custom, Quickbeam, Roadeo, Ram and 
>>> Hubbuhubbuh. I find that geometry is important in my riding. Some bikes can 
>>> be more "twitchy" and/or less stable because of their geometry. Things like 
>>> trail, head and seat tube angles and bottom bracket drop can affect the 
>>> handling and stability of a bike. I don't get hung up on numbers, 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Leah Peterson]

Tony, I swooned. Actually swooned. Gorgeous, gorgeous.I rode the Mon Night Ride on my Racing Platy tonight. I was so apprehensive at the start because the winds were 13 mph with 21 mph gusts and it was open road. I should not be doing this, I thought. Where is my road bike?But it was the best ride. Did we have wind? Yes. But somehow it was great and energizing and we just killed it. I had done an intense upper body lifting session this morning and still it was great and not draining!Can I prove that to you?No. My Apple Watch died on the ride.  🤬 There were men I don’t know on the ride tonight, so of course I got comments. One of them said, “I hope you never get a road bike.”But I just might.LeahSent from my iPhoneOn Apr 22, 2024, at 8:41 PM, Tony Lockhart  wrote:@Leah--Get one of these3x8 drivetrain, Nitto and Silver everywhere. Add a few bags and spend your weekends putting down mileageguaranteed to give you a million smiles and zero worries.On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 5:17:47 PM UTC-7 mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:Leah,Don't overthink this. It's hard to build an actual "bad" bike, and the big names don't do it.There are bike that are too "special" in some way -- too slow- or fast-handling, or whatever, but these are nuances. I can switch from a crit-geometry racer to a tourer and by the end of the block, I stop noticing it.Check out this ad:https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/bid/d/grand-rapids-bike-sale-40-or-less/7731072255.htmland go buy the ~51-52 cm red Centurion in the first picture.For $40, you'll have something to play with and see how the setup might work for you.If it's rideable, it's hard to see how this is not a good idea, and if Centurion built lousy bikes, I haven't heard of it.cheers -mathiasOn Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:35:58 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:When you "cut to the chase" many of us old farts on this blog started riding bikes in a serious way back in the early 70's.  And the go-to manual for bikers back then was Eugene Sloane's "The Complete Book of Bicycling."  In that excellent instruction manual, as it were, he went to a great extent to appeal to the use of "drop bars" (or simply road bars by most folks back then) for road riders.  Of course, many different developments in cycling have taken place since then, especially the introduction of the so-called "hybrid bikes" with flat bars and the "mountain bikes," both of which introduced different types of handlebars, tire types, and saddles.  It's a bit of a lament that the regular "road bike" of the previous decades where "drop bars," saddle types, gearing, tires, etc. of the previous period more or less disappeared in the advent of those unique biking configurations.  Almost every time I venture out on a bike path around these parts I mostly see people riding bikes configured with a "hybrid" set up...unless, of course they're riding  e-bikes, which are becoming way too commonplace nowadays.  I would encourage anyone who has an inclination to pick up and begin riding regular road bikes to do so.On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 1:16:35 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:All of these replies are interesting. And when I read one I think, “Yes, that’s right” and then read another which conflicts and change my mind. This is going to be a journey. I can’t even believe how much there is to know.I’m later getting here than the rest of you, I think. It was 2012 when I first realized there were better bikes than the Walmart Schwinn I was pulling my preschoolers around with. I got a Betty Foy with the biggest racks and baskets money could buy and away we went. So happy! Still knowing nothing! Now those boys are in high school, and I live in a vibrant bike community and suddenly it’s a whole new world for me. Every riding season I end up learning and being stretched. I’m doing new kinds of rides, meeting lots of people, volunteering on bike committees, and venturing a lot further from home. 5 years ago I would never have believed I’d ride a metric century or enjoy club riding. This is all wonderful, but I’m hamstrung by my lack of experience. I always thought drop bars would have to be uncomfortable. It wasn’t until this thread that I even considered trying them. Are they a rite of passage? “Oh, you’ll never use them forever but just scratch the itch now so you can say you have.” Or are they the gold standard “They’ve been used for 100 years for good reason.” I worry I’m too late to start using them after all this time on albatross and Billies. I have to look up what “on the ramps” means. I don’t know what the “right” geometry is for a road bike belonging to a devoted Rivendell rider would be. I dread being uncomfortable. I fear screwing up with the new drop bars and crashing in a peloton. I have no idea what shifters I’d put on drop bars. I thought albastache might be a good compromise but heard they aren’t wrist-neutral and then that they are. So.Much.To.Know. But everything I do now scares me, so let’s go.Keep your replies comin

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Ted Durant]

> On Apr 22, 2024, at 8:26 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> Tony, I swooned. Actually swooned. Gorgeous, gorgeous.
> 
It’s even better in person.

> But it was the best ride. Did we have wind? Yes. But somehow it was great and 
> energizing and we just killed it. I had done an intense upper body lifting 
> session this morning and still it was great and not draining!
> 

Nice. Double sessions. 👍

> There were men I don’t know on the ride tonight, so of course I got comments. 
> One of them said, “I hope you never get a road bike.”

The old back handed compliment. Well, you might pick up a little speed if 
you’re at the front of the peloton going into the wind, but in the pack or 
downwind I suspect you’ll find you’re riding the same speed at about the same 
effort. I’m looking forward to the ride report where you say you felt good at 
the front of the pack, kept your head down, set the internal metronome, and 
ticked away the miles, and when you sat up you realized there was nobody behind 
you.


Ted Durant
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Leah Peterson]

My husband just now: Are you getting ANOTHER bike? Me: Well…not necessarily. I have to weigh out all the pros and cons, you see.Him: I know how this ends. It ends with the Annual Bike Purchase of the Last Bike I’ll Ever Need.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 22, 2024, at 9:26 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:Tony, I swooned. Actually swooned. Gorgeous, gorgeous.I rode the Mon Night Ride on my Racing Platy tonight. I was so apprehensive at the start because the winds were 13 mph with 21 mph gusts and it was open road. I should not be doing this, I thought. Where is my road bike?But it was the best ride. Did we have wind? Yes. But somehow it was great and energizing and we just killed it. I had done an intense upper body lifting session this morning and still it was great and not draining!Can I prove that to you?No. My Apple Watch died on the ride.  🤬 There were men I don’t know on the ride tonight, so of course I got comments. One of them said, “I hope you never get a road bike.”But I just might.LeahSent from my iPhoneOn Apr 22, 2024, at 8:41 PM, Tony Lockhart  wrote:@Leah--Get one of these3x8 drivetrain, Nitto and Silver everywhere. Add a few bags and spend your weekends putting down mileageguaranteed to give you a million smiles and zero worries.On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 5:17:47 PM UTC-7 mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:Leah,Don't overthink this. It's hard to build an actual "bad" bike, and the big names don't do it.There are bike that are too "special" in some way -- too slow- or fast-handling, or whatever, but these are nuances. I can switch from a crit-geometry racer to a tourer and by the end of the block, I stop noticing it.Check out this ad:https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/bid/d/grand-rapids-bike-sale-40-or-less/7731072255.htmland go buy the ~51-52 cm red Centurion in the first picture.For $40, you'll have something to play with and see how the setup might work for you.If it's rideable, it's hard to see how this is not a good idea, and if Centurion built lousy bikes, I haven't heard of it.cheers -mathiasOn Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:35:58 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:When you "cut to the chase" many of us old farts on this blog started riding bikes in a serious way back in the early 70's.  And the go-to manual for bikers back then was Eugene Sloane's "The Complete Book of Bicycling."  In that excellent instruction manual, as it were, he went to a great extent to appeal to the use of "drop bars" (or simply road bars by most folks back then) for road riders.  Of course, many different developments in cycling have taken place since then, especially the introduction of the so-called "hybrid bikes" with flat bars and the "mountain bikes," both of which introduced different types of handlebars, tire types, and saddles.  It's a bit of a lament that the regular "road bike" of the previous decades where "drop bars," saddle types, gearing, tires, etc. of the previous period more or less disappeared in the advent of those unique biking configurations.  Almost every time I venture out on a bike path around these parts I mostly see people riding bikes configured with a "hybrid" set up...unless, of course they're riding  e-bikes, which are becoming way too commonplace nowadays.  I would encourage anyone who has an inclination to pick up and begin riding regular road bikes to do so.On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 1:16:35 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:All of these replies are interesting. And when I read one I think, “Yes, that’s right” and then read another which conflicts and change my mind. This is going to be a journey. I can’t even believe how much there is to know.I’m later getting here than the rest of you, I think. It was 2012 when I first realized there were better bikes than the Walmart Schwinn I was pulling my preschoolers around with. I got a Betty Foy with the biggest racks and baskets money could buy and away we went. So happy! Still knowing nothing! Now those boys are in high school, and I live in a vibrant bike community and suddenly it’s a whole new world for me. Every riding season I end up learning and being stretched. I’m doing new kinds of rides, meeting lots of people, volunteering on bike committees, and venturing a lot further from home. 5 years ago I would never have believed I’d ride a metric century or enjoy club riding. This is all wonderful, but I’m hamstrung by my lack of experience. I always thought drop bars would have to be uncomfortable. It wasn’t until this thread that I even considered trying them. Are they a rite of passage? “Oh, you’ll never use them forever but just scratch the itch now so you can say you have.” Or are they the gold standard “They’ve been used for 100 years for good reason.” I worry I’m too late to start using them after all this time on albatross and Billies. I have to look up what “on the ramps” means. I don’t know what the “right” geometry is for a road bike belonging to a devoted Rivendell rider would be. I dread being uncomfortable. I fear screwing up w

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Ted Durant]

> On Apr 22, 2024, at 8:35 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> Him: I know how this ends. It ends with the Annual Bike Purchase of the Last 
> Bike I’ll Ever Need.
> 

Doesn’t he know about the n+1 theory of bicycles?

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Jay]

I haven’t read all the posts (so many, wow!) but I suggest trying a bike 
with drop bars to see if it’s a possibility for you.  A friend, or an lbs 
perhaps.  If the bike fits you well the bars might feel great, or something 
you think can grown on you with time.  Bad fit and likely the bars wouldn’t 
feel good, so that wouldn’t be a fair assessment.

I love my newish Roadini.

Good luck!

On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 3:33:50 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
> ideal. 
>
> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what 
> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. 
> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>
> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take 
> a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem 
> which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. 
> I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in 
> the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a 
> hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the 
> youngest and probably the most fit. 
>
> Leah
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendells in South Korea

[Jay]

Hi Marcus.  I’ve really enjoyed all your videos so far; great start! 
 Refreshing to see vlogs in another part of the world.  Korea looks very 
interesting.

On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 1:10:28 PM UTC-4 probablyri...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello fellow Rivendell enthusiasts,
>
> I'm Marcus, I live in Seoul, South Korea and am probably riding one of my 
> Rivs around. I recently started a Youtube channel and thought some people 
> on here might be interested in seeing it. I have some bike checks of my 
> Clem, Romulus, Atlantis and Velo Orange Polyvalent but it's mostly 
> showcasing what cycling in Korea is like. 
>
> I hope it's ok to post here and hope you enjoy!  Probably Riding - YouTube 
> 
>
> Thanks for all of your discussions on this group!
>
> Marcus
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendells in South Korea

[Nick A.]

Very glad to see you over here Marcus. Love your work, thank you for 
bringing us along. I agree with Jay; as someone who lives over in the DC 
area of the USA, it's a real treat to see your cool part of the world.

Best,
Nick in Falls Church VA

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 9:54:43 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:

> Hi Marcus.  I’ve really enjoyed all your videos so far; great start! 
>  Refreshing to see vlogs in another part of the world.  Korea looks very 
> interesting.
>
> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 1:10:28 PM UTC-4 probablyri...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello fellow Rivendell enthusiasts,
>>
>> I'm Marcus, I live in Seoul, South Korea and am probably riding one of my 
>> Rivs around. I recently started a Youtube channel and thought some people 
>> on here might be interested in seeing it. I have some bike checks of my 
>> Clem, Romulus, Atlantis and Velo Orange Polyvalent but it's mostly 
>> showcasing what cycling in Korea is like. 
>>
>> I hope it's ok to post here and hope you enjoy!  Probably Riding - 
>> YouTube 
>>
>> Thanks for all of your discussions on this group!
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>

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[RBW] 54.5 Homer: 700c or 650b?

[Robert Calton]

It's looking like I'll have the opportunity to purchase either bicycle 
within the next week or so, a 54.5 Homer in 700c or 650b. I'm 5'11" with a 
83.8PBH, so spot on for both of those sizes. 

I'm curious what the wisdom of the community is in regards to making this 
decision, which should I consider more strongly? The price difference is 
negligible. They both have similar components on it (the 650 is a complete 
bike, the 700c I'd have to build up from a frameset and the cost is about 
equal for both). 

I mainly ride pavement and rail trails with the occasional wooded paths. 

Thoughts? :) 

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Nick A.]

"Me: Well…not necessarily. I have to weigh out all the pros and cons, you 
see."

Lol yep. To quote The Dude, "the ins, the outs, the what-have-yous..."

Also one enjoying this conversation.

Nick "definitely totally haven't had to talk about bikes in this way with 
my partner who shares a life with an eccentric" in Falls Church VA

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 9:48:46 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:

> I haven’t read all the posts (so many, wow!) but I suggest trying a bike 
> with drop bars to see if it’s a possibility for you.  A friend, or an lbs 
> perhaps.  If the bike fits you well the bars might feel great, or something 
> you think can grown on you with time.  Bad fit and likely the bars wouldn’t 
> feel good, so that wouldn’t be a fair assessment.
>
> I love my newish Roadini.
>
> Good luck!
>
> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 3:33:50 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>> ideal. 
>>
>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what 
>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. 
>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>
>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take 
>> a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem 
>> which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. 
>> I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in 
>> the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a 
>> hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the 
>> youngest and probably the most fit. 
>>
>> Leah
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Jim M.]

Raspberry Roadeo is definitely the last bike  you'll ever need. Have Bill 
help pick a good used bike for the wait.

jim m
walnut creek
 

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:34:20 PM UTC-7 Nick A. wrote:

> "Me: Well…not necessarily. I have to weigh out all the pros and cons, you 
> see."
>
> Lol yep. To quote The Dude, "the ins, the outs, the what-have-yous..."
>
> Also one enjoying this conversation.
>
> Nick "definitely totally haven't had to talk about bikes in this way with 
> my partner who shares a life with an eccentric" in Falls Church VA
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 9:48:46 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:
>
>> I haven’t read all the posts (so many, wow!) but I suggest trying a bike 
>> with drop bars to see if it’s a possibility for you.  A friend, or an lbs 
>> perhaps.  If the bike fits you well the bars might feel great, or something 
>> you think can grown on you with time.  Bad fit and likely the bars wouldn’t 
>> feel good, so that wouldn’t be a fair assessment.
>>
>> I love my newish Roadini.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 3:33:50 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>>> ideal. 
>>>
>>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what 
>>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. 
>>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>>
>>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
>>> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach 
>>> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out 
>>> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate 
>>> was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed 
>>> it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m 
>>> the youngest and probably the most fit. 
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Pictures Thread

[Grady Wright]

Love this Sam. Is this the same green the new batch of Sam's are coming in?

On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 8:21:13 a.m. UTC-6 Davey Two Shoes wrote:

> [image: Image (002).jpeg]T
> This bike brings me tremendous joy
> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 11:26:18 PM UTC-5 John Bokman wrote:
>
>>  I already own one  - a pumpkin orange from 2017. If they offer the new 
>> one in the black they once sold, I'm in for another! I'll set it up as my 
>> "fast" Sam - no racks, light wheels and tires, etc. That is far and away my 
>> favorite of all the Riv colors I've seen, across the fleet.
>>
>> John
>> Portland OR
>> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 4:41:21 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Who plans to buy a Sam Hillborne in May when they are due to arrive? 
>>> And, I wonder what colors they will offer. This photo thread is fun to see. 
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 6:24:11 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 Great to see all these beautiful and functional Hillbornes. Although I 
 don't have one myself, I do think the Hillborne blue/grey is my favorite 
 of 
 the Rivendell colors. 

 Cheers, John

 On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 1:17:36 PM UTC-8 Paul in Dallas wrote:

> It is fun to see the variety of builds on the Sam's.
>
> It looks like the majority have some type of upright / swept back 
> style handlebars
> although of course the Sam is so versatile to accommodate a road bar 
> if preferred .
>
> If recalling correctly I saw orange, silver, light blue , green, black 
> and a yellow perhaps mustard like color Sam. (Not sure what Riv called it)
>
> Cool stuff.
>
> I'm enjoying the thread.
>
> Paul in Dallas 
>


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