[RBW] Re: 650 b touring tire recommendation

[Garth]

Let your fingers do the walking as there's quite a few options for various 
brands. https://www.modernbike.com/1.5--650b---27.5-tires
On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:29:54 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> It's much harder to find good options in 38mm vs. 42mm, unfortunately.  
> Neither size is as popular as I'd like though! 
>
> The Rene Herse Babyshoe in endurance casing measures a little smaller than 
> in lighter casings; about 39.5mm on A23s for me. I will take your word that 
> this is too large for the rear, but if there's a chance it'll fit, it's a 
> good option:  I find the endurance casing to be very robust, tougher than a 
> lot of casings that flaunt their flat protection.
>
> Another option I can suggest is the Teravail Cannonball 650x40 in 
> 'Durable' casing, very tough tire with a fast rolling tread.  I'm not sure 
> what it actually measures out to; might fit both ends of your bike but I 
> can't put money on that
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks B72 Reissued!

[Will Boericke]

I use SnoSeal myself, hard to imagine having a Brooks warrantee issue as
all the ones I own are at least 25 years old!

Will

On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 12:57 AM Kim H.  wrote:

> @Roberta -
>
> "Obenauf's has been my go-to in the past"
>
> I have been using Obenauf's Heavy Duty LP for a very long time, years in
> fact for my leather shoes and my Brooks saddles that I did own.  I recently
> received in the mail a Brooks B-66 saddle from purchasing it on eBay. It is
> very dried out to say none the least. Have you every used Obenauf's Leather
> Oil to restore a leather saddle or other leather goods that you might own
> ?  I am considering buying some and trying it out to moisturize the leather
> and bring it back to life.
>
> Thank-you,
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:15:26 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>
> I ordered the B72 in brown with the saddle sandwich directly from Brooks
> England.  I signed up for their newsletter and since this was my first
> direct purchase from them, received a 15% discount.  Shipping  is free at
> this purchase point.  Also, if you register your saddle with them within
> three months of  purchase, the two year warranty becomes a 10 year
> warranty. Because of Mark's nose comment and other rail breaking comments I
> read on the web, I definitely will be registering the B72.  I have an A
> Homer Hilsen and a Betty Foy, both with B68 saddles, and I'm planning this
> saddle mainly for my Betty.
>
> I also ordered a tin of Proofide, not to help with the break in (I just
> ride saddles to break them in), but possibly later on for water
> resistance.  Obenauf's has been my go-to in the past but not for this
> saddle;  if I need to file a warranty claim I wouldn't want it dismissed
> because of the "wrong" saddle treatment.
>
> When I get the saddle, I'll post some pictures of it next to B68 and B67
> saddles I have.
>
> There is also a thread on the iBob board with some additional information:
>https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/syTF_Oq3Kr0/m/ruwkM3UwAQAJ
>
> Roberta
>
> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 2:06:07 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> I have a B72 on my Hunq - I 3D printed (well, had an online service do
> it) a 2-rail saddle adapter in glass-filled nylon, using this pattern -
> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3143229.  It's going on 2 years and has
> worked great.  Awesome that Brooks is reissuing this though and making an
> adapter!
>
> James in North Jersey
>
> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 1:52:10 PM UTC-5 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
> FYI for anyone that hasn't already noticed the resurrection of the B72
> model.
> https://theradavist.com/brooks-b72-review/
>
> I know the B68 gets a bit more attention as the wide, unsprung, single
> rail model that is plug & play with modern seatpost clamps but I thought
> this was interesting news to share for anyone that might like to find
> something of a middle ground between the unsprung models and the large coil
> springs found on the Flyer/Conquest and other sprung, more upright saddles.
>
> Not sure when the new Brooks adapter kit will actually become available as
> it's not yet on their site (as of earlier this morning) and Radavist only
> mentions 'next week'  with their 11/30 article but seems they'll be
> obtainable soon.
>
> I have an old B72 with a condition pretty much matching that of the one
> installed on the Ritchey in the photos of the Radavist link.  My own came
> off a mid 70's Raleigh Sports I picked up used.  I treated the leather a
> handful of times and eventually used it on my Clem with a Breezer double
> rail adapter until it sagged enough to hit the top of the seatpost clamp on
> even mild bumps.  I retired it before it broke rather than keep stretching
> the old leather with more and more bolt adjustments as a few spots started
> to crack and flake.  I also kind of just like the look of the saddle and
> unique spring design so wanted to keep an old example intact.
>
> We also have a B18 with the same rail and spring design as the B72 on my
> spouse's three speed (I had sadly slept on the limited Raspberry color when
> it was available so we only have a brown.)  That bike gets much less use
> lately but I built it up as a nice resto-mod using the best condition parts
> between our two matching Raleigh's, got rebuilt wheels on the original hubs
> with new alloy rims, etc. so the new embossed saddle was an additional
> splurge.  My own Sports turned into more of a franken-build but was a fun
> project, albeit too small and short lived.
>
> I had one of the Conquest re-issues but the narrower shape just didn't fit
> me even on a more aggressive, bar-below-saddle build so I sold or traded
> away the Conquest.  I do not necessarily recall a distinct difference in
> the suspended feeling between the Conquest and Brooks as much as I did in
> the overall fit, shape, and design.
>
> I have no real need for a new B72 at the moment but might go for the new
> adapter kit, when available

Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Garth]

Obviously the Platy requires more material and labor for the extended mid 
tube. Bicycles are long term investments though, so letting a few hundred 
dollars get it in the way hardly qualifies as a valid reason to dismiss 
something base don that alone. Get the one that is appealing to look at 
every day. 

>From my own subjective view, the Platypus has an appealing elegance to it 
with the extended swooping mid tube. Plus the purple accentuates it very 
well, of which direct sunlight will enhance it even more. 

Complete or build your own depends on if the included parts are agreeable 
or not. If you have nothing specific to change then they're fine. 

The Clem has a notably longer frame reach than the Platypus, which may only 
be noticed if you have both. The Platy with it's 50mm max tires is plenty 
for the type of riding Sean suggested. 




On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 8:15:46 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

>  I have weighed in on that thread that was quoted, but I’ll chime in again 
> because my name got mentioned.
>
>  I had both bikes, loved both bikes. But the Platypus is the better fit 
> for me. I like to ride pavement and I do like to go fast, and that’s the 
> sweet spot for a Platy. And, it fits me like a GLOVE. The wife in question 
> doesn’t seem to have a preference, save that she doesn’t want to blow the 
> budget. I surmise the OP would like to choose a bike that his wife might 
> fall in love with and wish to ride more often. The Platy complete is a 
> great deal, and if she’s a 50, they are in stock. And like Pam said, let 
> her choose the color. If she falls in love with the bike you can get the 
> parts she wants later. 
>
> Oh, and give her a special little ornament of some sort. A charm she can 
> hang or an enameled pin to put on her bag. Thoughtful details make us fall 
> in love with the gifts our men give us. 
>
> Leah
>
> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 6:55:39 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> ...or if you get a Clem, you are welcome to join the Clem Club.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024, 8:38 AM Ben Compton  wrote:
>>
>>> also if you get a platypus you get to join the platypals, which is a 
>>> thing I just made up
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 8:51 AM Sarah Carlson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yes, did you know when you you get your lady a Riv she has an immediate 
 community of RivSisters? Pam has brought up the most wonderful point! 

 On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Leah, aka Bicycle Belle Ding Ding would be a good person to comment 
> since she has both.  I'd go for the Platypus.  I have the precursor which 
> was the Betty Foy and love it.  And it's the follow up to your Cheviot.  
> Please let her pick out the color.  And all the RivSisters will have fun 
> helping her accessorize it.  Please give her my email if she has any 
> questions.  
>
> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 2:25:18 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> @Tim -
>>
>> Here's my 52 blue Clem.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024, 10:34 AM Tom Wyland  wrote:
>>
>>> Ha Ha, yeah I never bothered to go find Kim's bike and look at it.  
>>> So yeah they're basically the same.  
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 10:07:15 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not sure I would call a Clem with 4 empty bottles/cages, rear 
>>> rack, fenders, and a pump "naked" haha
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[RBW] Re: FS: Jumbo Rosco Bubbe Iditabike

[ian m]

You may get one snowy ride in with this weekend's Noreaster

On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 5:56:03 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:

> Killer Kia, just killer!
>
> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 3:21:06 PM UTC-5 antc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Flippin' heck, that is one wild build! Any idea on minimum saddle height 
>> and max tire size?
>>
>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 12:54:49 PM UTC-6 Teague Scott wrote:
>>
>>> Oh man. I’ve been waiting for the day one of these popped up here. Alas, 
>>> now is just not the time for me. Someone is gonna be a lucky dog!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 11:02:37 AM UTC-7 steve...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Nice build Kai - for sure the wildest Rivendell I've seen yet. Just 
 looking at your pics makes me want to go bike packing. Dare I say gnarly 
 ?!? 

 Sooner or later  it's gonna snow and you're gonna miss that two wheeled 
 pack mule . 

 On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:31:47 AM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Beautiful bike!
>
> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 11:35:50 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Nice bike but what size is it?  I only the sizes Riv offers.  I'm on 
>> the short end 47.  When was it built?  Was it a protoype for the Betty 
>> Foy 
>> or Cheviot?
>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 7:03:57 PM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This legitimately might be one of the coolest niche Rivendell builds 
>>> I've seen. *slowly leaves room to avoid impulse decisions* 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 3:15:55 PM UTC-8 Bones wrote:
>>>
 I thought the day would never come! Really cool bike Kai. I'm sure 
 you'll find it a new home.

 Bones

 On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 5:33:04 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. 
 -Brooklyn NY wrote:

> Multiple Roscos and multiple bills aren’t adding up, and ever 
> since I put it together, it hasn’t snowed😩. So here for sale is the 
> bestest bike for the larger folks out there. I think it measures 64 
> at the 
> seat tube, but I’ve got a geometry chart somewhere I’ll plug in here 
> asap. 
> Pictures
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/U18G3VtrhaWFDisWA
> Some weird rare parts, some not. Heartily patinated racks with 
> internally wired dynamo lights and handmade wooden fenders (pretty 
> lightweight actually). Racks and fenders made by me, the front rack 
> can 
> carry anything you can get into some panniers, with the rear rack 
> only ever 
> having held that light there and the fender steady, as I’m hesitant 
> to load 
> up the back of toptubeless frame. 
> I’m keeping the grips and the seat, but everything else you see is 
> included. Also included is a new Mavic 319 rim for when you’d like to 
> swap 
> out the front. Rear wheel came with my Clem and hasn’t seen much of 
> the 
> world.
> Very rare! Highly collectible?!
> $2000.
> Thanks for looking, and happy rolling to all
> -Kai
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

Luke, I am bookmarking your gearing because that does sound perfect for the 
hills situation around here. Through practice I have learned my favorite 
gear is 34 (from riding my Atlantis) and that going down hills I am still 
spinning out in a 42 on my Platypus. That 22 sounds like a lovely gear to 
approach a hill in. You may see me try that out! I'm waiting until closer 
to build time to make the final decision... but more and more I am feeling 
pulled in the triple direction!

Sarah

On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 10:06:09 AM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> I live in the Bay Area (San Francisco) and my daily commute has around 
> 2,500 feet in elevation gain with weekend rides often having double that. I 
> really, really like 46-34-22 on my Atlantis with an 11-34 8s in the back. I 
> just switched to a Rapid Rise rd and that’s been a treat when going from 
> descent to climb to descent.
>
> A lot of great input and advice in here along with some very strong 
> opinions. Love it!
>
> Luke in SF who works at Merry Sales and loves bikes more than he should
>
> On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 9:09:46 AM UTC-8 weste...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Bill, 
>>
>> This makes me wonder if there's a Rohloff-equipped bike in your stable! 
>>  ;) 
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 10:48:53 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Therese is a delightful person and a very good rider.  I used to run 
>>> across her a lot in the East Bay and at SFR events, but I don't think our 
>>> paths have crossed lately.  
>>>
>>> She's also a fair bit more enlightened about gearing than the filmmaker. 
>>>  Her set up isn't perfect, but it's close (IMHO).  
>>>
>>> The film makes me want to set a Diablo goal for 2024.  I've summited 
>>> Diablo maybe 10 times, but I want to do multiple summits this year.  I'm 
>>> going to start with 5 as my goal, with the extra challenge that I want to 
>>> do it on 5 different bikes in my stable.  If I manage that, then summit #6 
>>> will be on a derailleurless bike.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 7:53:19 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed2-hdvGWjU&ab_channel=Henrywildeberry

 I found a youtube video that is exactly how I want to ride 

 On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:04:42 AM UTC-8 Sarah Carlson wrote:

> All these responses have given me so much to think about, I appreciate 
> all the help. Thank you!
>
> On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 7:01:05 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> My low on a 650B bike in Lake County, CA., is 26 x 50. It's useful! 
>>
>> On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 1:25:54 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The Greater Bay Area is full of 13-24% grades (which is where Sarah 
>>> lives). Visitors from other areas (including places like Colorado) 
>>> frequently drop their jaws when they see what the local touring clubs 
>>> ride 
>>> as a matter of course. A 24x36 drivetrain isn't too low a gear here, 
>>> especially if you're carrying a load. On my triplet, I had a 24x36 and 
>>> still couldn't climb anything over a 12% grade when carrying panniers. 
>>> On 
>>> my single bike I have a 40x51, and just manage to make it up a 30% 
>>> grade, 
>>> which required shifting my weight between the rear and front wheels in 
>>> order to keep both wheels on the ground while grinding away. Here in 
>>> the 
>>> greater San Francisco Bay Area, your bike can never be too light, you 
>>> can 
>>> never be too wealthy, and you can never have gears too low!
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 1:13 PM Greg J  wrote:
>>>
 @Sarah - maybe the easiest thing is to go on a ride with some local 
 list members who can give you some ideas while you're actually riding 
 on 
 these roads.  

 For example, have you ridden a 24T granny on the road---and if so, 
 with what rear cog?  A 24 is really very low for the road (but not for 
 dirt), and a 24T - 32 in the back may be too low to be useful.  A 26 
 or 
 even a 28 may be a better granny depending on your cassette range.  
 But as 
 mentioned already, only you know what works for you.

 Greg



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Re: [RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

Bill, I will be keeping an eye out for you on Mt. Diablo so I can give you 
a thumbs up when you pass me! 

Sarah

On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 5:16:41 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> A couple weeks back I said:
>
> "The film makes me want to set a Diablo goal for 2024.  I've summited 
> Diablo maybe 10 times, but I want to do multiple summits this year.  I'm 
> going to start with 5 as my goal, with the extra challenge that I want to 
> do it on 5 different bikes in my stable.  If I manage that, then summit #6 
> will be on a derailleurless bike."
>
> When I state a goal, I feel committed, even if the RBW Group isn't 
> expending energy to hold me accountable, there is accountability when I 
> type it out.  Anyhow, I got a start on the above today with my first summit 
> of Mount Diablo for 2024.  I did it on my current stripped down road bike, 
> my Black Mountain Cycles Road.  I picked today to avoid the pockets of rain 
> that are hitting us with some regularity.  It was sunny and cool, but not 
> cold.  One down, four to go.  Highlights included a rider on a 2TT 
> Hillborne with Albatross bars.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 8:48:53 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Therese is a delightful person and a very good rider.  I used to run 
>> across her a lot in the East Bay and at SFR events, but I don't think our 
>> paths have crossed lately.  
>>
>> She's also a fair bit more enlightened about gearing than the filmmaker. 
>>  Her set up isn't perfect, but it's close (IMHO).  
>>
>> The film makes me want to set a Diablo goal for 2024.  I've summited 
>> Diablo maybe 10 times, but I want to do multiple summits this year.  I'm 
>> going to start with 5 as my goal, with the extra challenge that I want to 
>> do it on 5 different bikes in my stable.  If I manage that, then summit #6 
>> will be on a derailleurless bike.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 7:53:19 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed2-hdvGWjU&ab_channel=Henrywildeberry
>>>
>>> I found a youtube video that is exactly how I want to ride 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:04:42 AM UTC-8 Sarah Carlson wrote:
>>>
 All these responses have given me so much to think about, I appreciate 
 all the help. Thank you!

 On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 7:01:05 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> My low on a 650B bike in Lake County, CA., is 26 x 50. It's useful! 
>
> On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 1:25:54 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> The Greater Bay Area is full of 13-24% grades (which is where Sarah 
>> lives). Visitors from other areas (including places like Colorado) 
>> frequently drop their jaws when they see what the local touring clubs 
>> ride 
>> as a matter of course. A 24x36 drivetrain isn't too low a gear here, 
>> especially if you're carrying a load. On my triplet, I had a 24x36 and 
>> still couldn't climb anything over a 12% grade when carrying panniers. 
>> On 
>> my single bike I have a 40x51, and just manage to make it up a 30% 
>> grade, 
>> which required shifting my weight between the rear and front wheels in 
>> order to keep both wheels on the ground while grinding away. Here in the 
>> greater San Francisco Bay Area, your bike can never be too light, you 
>> can 
>> never be too wealthy, and you can never have gears too low!
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 1:13 PM Greg J  wrote:
>>
>>> @Sarah - maybe the easiest thing is to go on a ride with some local 
>>> list members who can give you some ideas while you're actually riding 
>>> on 
>>> these roads.  
>>>
>>> For example, have you ridden a 24T granny on the road---and if so, 
>>> with what rear cog?  A 24 is really very low for the road (but not for 
>>> dirt), and a 24T - 32 in the back may be too low to be useful.  A 26 or 
>>> even a 28 may be a better granny depending on your cassette range.  But 
>>> as 
>>> mentioned already, only you know what works for you.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Roadini Feedback

[Piaw Na]

I have about 1300 miles on my 
Roadini: https://blog.piaw.net/2023/05/rivendell-roadini-1000-mile-review.html. 
With 700x28mm tires it feels as fast as any bike I've ridden that's not 
built to be ultralight. I built mine up to be around 20 pounds with pedals, 
bottle cage and pump but no toolkit or water bottle. I could have probably 
shaved another pound off with Jon Neugent's 1430g wheels. Having said that, 
it doesn't beat my custom Ti touring bike built based on the 1993 
Bridgestone RB-1 geometry on climbs up hills or stability on descents (the 
higher BB on the Roadini is to blame). What I do find is that with 38mm 
tires it is an excellent gravel bike and I have no issues taking it down 
single track  trails that others would consider MTB trails. The Tektro 559s 
outperform any disc brakes I've ever found and never make noise (unlike any 
disc brakes I've ever ridden).

I did buy another 50cm Roadini to build up for my son when he's tall enough 
to ride it (which won't take a year), so that tells you that I think it's 
the best general purpose bike in the Rivendell stable. The bike is so 
versatile I wouldn't hesitate to take it anywhere except a dedicated 
downhill MTB park.
On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:54:56 AM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com wrote:

> Howdy all,
>
> So I realize I'm posting this on the RBW list, so there is bound to be 
> some bias and that's ok.. ;) I'm a Riv owner myself with a current AHH I 
> got from my Dad when he passed and have previously owned a Bleriot and a 
> Ram for a short time. 
>
> So, my question is simple- does the Roadini feel fast(ish) when riding? 
> I'm sure builds vary and so weight will vary, but I know some bikes can 
> weigh a bit more and still feel "quick".. to be fair, I'm no racer, but I 
> like a bike to feel good when I stand up to pedal or am zipping around at 
> my, fast for me, 18-19 mph.. 
>
> I would be looking to build up with drop bars BTW with a modern-ish 
> group.. 
>
> Finally, anyone have a 50cm frameset (or complete maybe) they are looking 
> to move? 
>
> Thanks,
> Chris is Sonoma County, CA :) 
>

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[RBW] Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[Bill Lindsay]

Often we do a goals thread, and there seems to me that there's a schism on 
how to approach goals.  Some folks have very specific goals: i.e. "average 
10 miles a day over the year".  Others enjoy eschewing the specificity: 
i.e. "have more fun on the bike".

I'm a devotee of S.M.A.R.T. goals, which are (S)simple, (M)easurable, 
(A)chievable, (R)relevant, (T)imply.  The notion of the S.M.A.R.T. goal has 
improved my life in several ways and maybe in a way has saved my life. I'm 
a compulsive person and I'm a numbers guy. I'm going to be compulsive about 
*something 
, *so if that something can be achievable and healthy, then that's a good 
thing.  I've gotten into the habit of setting up tons of tiny S.M.A.R.T. 
goals, and it sets me up to have a regular pattern of taking W's.  

My big picture goals for 2024 include:

10,000km ridden
Summit Mount Diablo 5 times on 5 different bikes
Put myself in the position to attempt my first 400k brevet
Complete the Marin Mountains 200k brevet
Complete 25% of every city in Contra Costa County on Wandrer
Complete 25% of Marin County on Wandrer
Ride 55 miles on my 55th birthday and kick off riding my age on my birthday 
as a regular event

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

[RichS]

My two cents in this discussion and worth no more than that, is tires, 
tires, tires. Not long ago I swapped out 38mm Soma B-lines for 32mm Grand 
Bois Cypress on my Hillborne. Faster feeling? Yes. Realistically? No. But I 
do like the way they "feel" for my 100% road riding. Another anecdote: My 
Mercian Audax is an entirely different bike running the same GB Cypress 
tires and Continental 5000 28s as opposed to the 38mm Gravel King slicks I 
had on it for awhile. 

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 12:25:03 PM UTC-5 andyree...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> There's a BlueLug video on YouTube where they visit Mike Varley at his 
> bike shop, and a similar question was asked about his frames and why they 
> ride so well. This is a question I've had ever since riding a BMC 
> Monstercross as it's an exceptionally fun and zippy ride for pretty 
> unexceptional tubing and geometry, so I was keen to hear the secret come 
> out..."I don't know why." LOL. He did suspect bottom bracket height being a 
> contributing factor in the way a bike feels though. 
>
> From my experience, a faster feeling bicycle comes from 3 objective 
> requirements: a bike designed with the intention of being ridden quickly ; 
> 2: the desire from the rider to ride said bike quickly. and 3: the rider 
> being comfortable riding it. However, the key word in all of this is 
> "feeling." I think the answer you're looking for lives somewhere in the 
> deep, dark forests of subjectiveness, don't overthink it, just enjoy the 
> kinship you found with your bike! 
>
> - Andrew
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 11:06:02 AM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
>
>> I used a Nitto double lamp bracket and mountain bar ends to add more grip 
>> positions - Ahearne bar, same angles as Northwoods (and Jones-H), longer 
>> ends.  
>> Adds comfort options in a long ride, and makes a big difference with a 
>> headwind.  
>> [image: E0XMVWT.jpg]  [image: adK6urQ.jpg]   [image: rgmBJU1.jpg]
>>
>> My favorite recent mod was finding the Nitto Erlen saddle bag support, 
>> which stacks on the seat rails - the Ostrich S-2 bag bottom sleeve 
>> literally fits it like a glove.  
>> [image: AQznVeB.jpg]  [image: b0acs4P.jpg]  [image: e8hOGnt.jpg]
>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 10:35:19 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Ron. + 1 for John's Paramount. Also, interesting "North 
>>> Road-type" bar setup with the aero extensions.
>>>
>>> Fit and position certainly makes (part of fit)  a huge difference and 
>>> I'd guess it's the principal reason, or at least one of them, why some 
>>> bikes just feel easier to pedal. That '58 Herse was like that: I just had 
>>> to adjust saddle and bar height and angle slightly to make it fit and feel 
>>> like one of my custom Rivendells. The Herse was 60 cm X 56 cm c-c (sure 
>>> about the st, think the tt was 56) compared to the 57 c-c X 56.5 or 57 cm 
>>> of the 1999 and 58 for the Matthews Riv clone, but those have sloping tts 
>>> and extended steerers and heads and shorter stems so the fit is the same.
>>>
>>> I've moved the (original Flite) saddles forward by =/< 1 cm (on 73* sta) 
>>> since the days when I used a rubber mallet on the nose to get them all the 
>>> way back on the DA 7410 sps but I still like sitting back and leaning 
>>> foward and pushing the cranks forward for momentary torque on climbs.
>>>
>>> Tires: The 2020 Matthews feels slightly slower with 42 mm Naches Passes 
>>> (ELs) than with 28 mm Elk Passes (slightly; it hardly interferes with the 
>>> pleasure of riding but I do notice a tiny bit more effort when accelerating 
>>> and even while  maintaining cruising speed; and certainly the bike handles 
>>> less nimbly). OTOH, those 622X60 Big Ones  Certainly not nimble but 
>>> felt as fast at steady state as the Elk Passes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 7:12 AM Ron Mc  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Patrick, 
 Riding position is a big factor in speed and spin power.  
 Getting your weight off the bar, and leaning into core muscles will 
 find an immediate burst of spin power that should take you up any grade.  

 Can only think of one tire size that made a difference.  Gee, I've 
 never ridden a 23, and haven't ridden a 25 since I was 40 years younger 
 and, um, 20 lbs lighter.  
 But this bike, Viner Pro CX built as upright, is the only bike where I 
 noticed a tire/speed difference.  
 (this is also the bike that gets the new Berthoud decaleur, replacing 
 the red straps)
 Photographed here in Laguna Atascosa NWR.  
 [image: a8PC190033.JPG]

 I first built this bike with 38-mm Barlow Pass and it felt lumbering.  
 Noted in our regular Sunday morning crack-of-dawn ride (kina like 
 bike-church), where the lead group always turns the first 7 miles into a 
 sprint to the Alamodome.  When I made the swap to 35-mm Bon Jon, found a 
 rolling efficiency difference, especially on the pavement, and these tires 
 do the job anywhe

Re: [RBW] Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[John Dewey]

All worthy goals…but beware the ‘ride your age’ program. I embarked on this
years ago and found we too quickly reach the point where the math just
doesn’t look so good…i.e. it’s all backwards.

My grandfather, who taught me all I ever needed to know about bicycle
mechanics, had a goofy plaque over his workbench: ‘Vee get too soon oldt
und too late schmart’.

Jock

On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 6:48 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Often we do a goals thread, and there seems to me that there's a schism on
> how to approach goals.  Some folks have very specific goals: i.e. "average
> 10 miles a day over the year".  Others enjoy eschewing the specificity:
> i.e. "have more fun on the bike".
>
> I'm a devotee of S.M.A.R.T. goals, which are (S)simple, (M)easurable,
> (A)chievable, (R)relevant, (T)imply.  The notion of the S.M.A.R.T. goal has
> improved my life in several ways and maybe in a way has saved my life. I'm
> a compulsive person and I'm a numbers guy. I'm going to be compulsive about 
> *something
> , *so if that something can be achievable and healthy, then that's a good
> thing.  I've gotten into the habit of setting up tons of tiny S.M.A.R.T.
> goals, and it sets me up to have a regular pattern of taking W's.
>
> My big picture goals for 2024 include:
>
> 10,000km ridden
> Summit Mount Diablo 5 times on 5 different bikes
> Put myself in the position to attempt my first 400k brevet
> Complete the Marin Mountains 200k brevet
> Complete 25% of every city in Contra Costa County on Wandrer
> Complete 25% of Marin County on Wandrer
> Ride 55 miles on my 55th birthday and kick off riding my age on my
> birthday as a regular event
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
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[RBW] Re: Roadini Feedback

[Chris Fly]

I guess that's my concern is I'm not looking for a gravel bike.. I'm 
looking for a zippy (fast-ish) road bike that will take larger tires.. 
Also,  one of my main concerns is the bike will be overbuilt, meaning the 
tubes will be heavy enough that it won't flex enough to be comfy.. 

Thoughts? 

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:15:25 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have about 1300 miles on my Roadini: 
> https://blog.piaw.net/2023/05/rivendell-roadini-1000-mile-review.html. 
> With 700x28mm tires it feels as fast as any bike I've ridden that's not 
> built to be ultralight. I built mine up to be around 20 pounds with pedals, 
> bottle cage and pump but no toolkit or water bottle. I could have probably 
> shaved another pound off with Jon Neugent's 1430g wheels. Having said that, 
> it doesn't beat my custom Ti touring bike built based on the 1993 
> Bridgestone RB-1 geometry on climbs up hills or stability on descents (the 
> higher BB on the Roadini is to blame). What I do find is that with 38mm 
> tires it is an excellent gravel bike and I have no issues taking it down 
> single track  trails that others would consider MTB trails. The Tektro 559s 
> outperform any disc brakes I've ever found and never make noise (unlike any 
> disc brakes I've ever ridden).
>
> I did buy another 50cm Roadini to build up for my son when he's tall 
> enough to ride it (which won't take a year), so that tells you that I think 
> it's the best general purpose bike in the Rivendell stable. The bike is so 
> versatile I wouldn't hesitate to take it anywhere except a dedicated 
> downhill MTB park.
> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:54:56 AM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Howdy all,
>>
>> So I realize I'm posting this on the RBW list, so there is bound to be 
>> some bias and that's ok.. ;) I'm a Riv owner myself with a current AHH I 
>> got from my Dad when he passed and have previously owned a Bleriot and a 
>> Ram for a short time. 
>>
>> So, my question is simple- does the Roadini feel fast(ish) when riding? 
>> I'm sure builds vary and so weight will vary, but I know some bikes can 
>> weigh a bit more and still feel "quick".. to be fair, I'm no racer, but I 
>> like a bike to feel good when I stand up to pedal or am zipping around at 
>> my, fast for me, 18-19 mph.. 
>>
>> I would be looking to build up with drop bars BTW with a modern-ish 
>> group.. 
>>
>> Finally, anyone have a 50cm frameset (or complete maybe) they are looking 
>> to move? 
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Chris is Sonoma County, CA :) 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[Bill Lindsay]

Jock said "but beware the ‘ride your age’ program. I embarked on this years 
ago and found we too quickly reach the point where the math just doesn’t 
look so good…i.e. it’s all backwards."

At what age did you start?  How long did it go?  and when did you decide 
for yourself that you can no longer do it?  I definitely see riding 100 
miles on my 100th birthday would be worthy of national news.  80 miles on 
my 80th also seems a stretch.  70 miles on my 70th I absolutely won't 
concede unless something bad happens to me, health-wise.  There are TONS of 
SFRandonneurs riders well into their 70s doing 200k brevets like nothing 
more than an honest-day's-work.  I want to be like them.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:08:36 AM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:

> All worthy goals…but beware the ‘ride your age’ program. I embarked on 
> this years ago and found we too quickly reach the point where the math just 
> doesn’t look so good…i.e. it’s all backwards. 
>
> My grandfather, who taught me all I ever needed to know about bicycle 
> mechanics, had a goofy plaque over his workbench: ‘Vee get too soon oldt 
> und too late schmart’. 
>
> Jock
>
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 6:48 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> Often we do a goals thread, and there seems to me that there's a schism 
>> on how to approach goals.  Some folks have very specific goals: i.e. 
>> "average 10 miles a day over the year".  Others enjoy eschewing the 
>> specificity: i.e. "have more fun on the bike".
>>
>> I'm a devotee of S.M.A.R.T. goals, which are (S)simple, (M)easurable, 
>> (A)chievable, (R)relevant, (T)imply.  The notion of the S.M.A.R.T. goal has 
>> improved my life in several ways and maybe in a way has saved my life. I'm 
>> a compulsive person and I'm a numbers guy. I'm going to be compulsive about 
>> *something 
>> , *so if that something can be achievable and healthy, then that's a 
>> good thing.  I've gotten into the habit of setting up tons of tiny 
>> S.M.A.R.T. goals, and it sets me up to have a regular pattern of taking 
>> W's.  
>>
>> My big picture goals for 2024 include:
>>
>> 10,000km ridden
>> Summit Mount Diablo 5 times on 5 different bikes
>> Put myself in the position to attempt my first 400k brevet
>> Complete the Marin Mountains 200k brevet
>> Complete 25% of every city in Contra Costa County on Wandrer
>> Complete 25% of Marin County on Wandrer
>> Ride 55 miles on my 55th birthday and kick off riding my age on my 
>> birthday as a regular event
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: Roadini Feedback

[Piaw Na]

It's way more flexy/comfy than my Custom Ti bike, which friends already 
claim is flexy and comfy when they ride it (and which flexes like crazy 
when I attach a trailer to it). It's overbuilt for me @ 145 pounds. If I 
was 160 pounds I wouldn't consider it over built, and if I was 200 pounds I 
still wouldn't expect to break it. My big complaint is that I don't 
consider 75mm BB drop to be sufficient for 30mm tires on the road. I want 
80mm or 85mm drop for a bike built for modern style giant tires where you 
wouldn't expect to ride anything smaller than 700x30.

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:19:37 AM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com wrote:

> I guess that's my concern is I'm not looking for a gravel bike.. I'm 
> looking for a zippy (fast-ish) road bike that will take larger tires.. 
> Also,  one of my main concerns is the bike will be overbuilt, meaning the 
> tubes will be heavy enough that it won't flex enough to be comfy.. 
>
> Thoughts? 
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:15:25 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have about 1300 miles on my Roadini: 
>> https://blog.piaw.net/2023/05/rivendell-roadini-1000-mile-review.html. 
>> With 700x28mm tires it feels as fast as any bike I've ridden that's not 
>> built to be ultralight. I built mine up to be around 20 pounds with pedals, 
>> bottle cage and pump but no toolkit or water bottle. I could have probably 
>> shaved another pound off with Jon Neugent's 1430g wheels. Having said that, 
>> it doesn't beat my custom Ti touring bike built based on the 1993 
>> Bridgestone RB-1 geometry on climbs up hills or stability on descents (the 
>> higher BB on the Roadini is to blame). What I do find is that with 38mm 
>> tires it is an excellent gravel bike and I have no issues taking it down 
>> single track  trails that others would consider MTB trails. The Tektro 559s 
>> outperform any disc brakes I've ever found and never make noise (unlike any 
>> disc brakes I've ever ridden).
>>
>> I did buy another 50cm Roadini to build up for my son when he's tall 
>> enough to ride it (which won't take a year), so that tells you that I think 
>> it's the best general purpose bike in the Rivendell stable. The bike is so 
>> versatile I wouldn't hesitate to take it anywhere except a dedicated 
>> downhill MTB park.
>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:54:56 AM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Howdy all,
>>>
>>> So I realize I'm posting this on the RBW list, so there is bound to be 
>>> some bias and that's ok.. ;) I'm a Riv owner myself with a current AHH I 
>>> got from my Dad when he passed and have previously owned a Bleriot and a 
>>> Ram for a short time. 
>>>
>>> So, my question is simple- does the Roadini feel fast(ish) when riding? 
>>> I'm sure builds vary and so weight will vary, but I know some bikes can 
>>> weigh a bit more and still feel "quick".. to be fair, I'm no racer, but I 
>>> like a bike to feel good when I stand up to pedal or am zipping around at 
>>> my, fast for me, 18-19 mph.. 
>>>
>>> I would be looking to build up with drop bars BTW with a modern-ish 
>>> group.. 
>>>
>>> Finally, anyone have a 50cm frameset (or complete maybe) they are 
>>> looking to move? 
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Chris is Sonoma County, CA :) 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[George Schick]

The trouble is that too many other things interfere with my biking - yard 
work, home repairs and routine maintenance, auto repair and maintenance, 
and of course, the weather which can be unpredictable, especially in these 
latitudes.  IIRC the last 100 miler I rode was something like 2007, the 
last 100K was maybe a year or two later.  During those years I managed to 
squeeze around 1,500 miles out of the biking season (Spring, Summer, & 
Fall).  Not any more.  I'm lucky to get 500miles a year on both road 
bikes.  I just can't seem to get the time and weather to rack up any more 
than that plus I'm just physically slower than I used to be - my 75th is 
coming up soon.  And, though I hate to bring it up, with the advancing age 
comes a plethora of new medical problems whether physical (muscular, joint, 
or arthritic) or systemic (cardiac, decreasing lung function, or just plain 
fatigue).

Good luck with your goals, I hope you make them.  When I was 55 I was far 
more able to do similar things than I am now.  BTW, I think you meant 
"timely" instead of "timply" in your SMART acronym?


On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 11:22:56 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Jock said "but beware the ‘ride your age’ program. I embarked on this 
> years ago and found we too quickly reach the point where the math just 
> doesn’t look so good…i.e. it’s all backwards."
>
> At what age did you start?  How long did it go?  and when did you decide 
> for yourself that you can no longer do it?  I definitely see riding 100 
> miles on my 100th birthday would be worthy of national news.  80 miles on 
> my 80th also seems a stretch.  70 miles on my 70th I absolutely won't 
> concede unless something bad happens to me, health-wise.  There are TONS of 
> SFRandonneurs riders well into their 70s doing 200k brevets like nothing 
> more than an honest-day's-work.  I want to be like them.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:08:36 AM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> All worthy goals…but beware the ‘ride your age’ program. I embarked on 
>> this years ago and found we too quickly reach the point where the math just 
>> doesn’t look so good…i.e. it’s all backwards. 
>>
>> My grandfather, who taught me all I ever needed to know about bicycle 
>> mechanics, had a goofy plaque over his workbench: ‘Vee get too soon oldt 
>> und too late schmart’. 
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 6:48 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> Often we do a goals thread, and there seems to me that there's a schism 
>>> on how to approach goals.  Some folks have very specific goals: i.e. 
>>> "average 10 miles a day over the year".  Others enjoy eschewing the 
>>> specificity: i.e. "have more fun on the bike".
>>>
>>> I'm a devotee of S.M.A.R.T. goals, which are (S)simple, (M)easurable, 
>>> (A)chievable, (R)relevant, (T)imply.  The notion of the S.M.A.R.T. goal has 
>>> improved my life in several ways and maybe in a way has saved my life. I'm 
>>> a compulsive person and I'm a numbers guy. I'm going to be compulsive about 
>>> *something 
>>> , *so if that something can be achievable and healthy, then that's a 
>>> good thing.  I've gotten into the habit of setting up tons of tiny 
>>> S.M.A.R.T. goals, and it sets me up to have a regular pattern of taking 
>>> W's.  
>>>
>>> My big picture goals for 2024 include:
>>>
>>> 10,000km ridden
>>> Summit Mount Diablo 5 times on 5 different bikes
>>> Put myself in the position to attempt my first 400k brevet
>>> Complete the Marin Mountains 200k brevet
>>> Complete 25% of every city in Contra Costa County on Wandrer
>>> Complete 25% of Marin County on Wandrer
>>> Ride 55 miles on my 55th birthday and kick off riding my age on my 
>>> birthday as a regular event
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Jumbo Rosco Bubbe Iditabike

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Yeah, I knew putting it up on the block would bring the precipitation… 
still not enough to bring out these Ice Spiker studs. Speaking of which, 
I’ll include some not ridiculously huge spiked tires in the sale, something 
to get it close to its maximum size tire of around 2.4”. The seat height is 
about 73cm for a lowest point possible, probably 88cm in the photos. 
Thanks for all the kind words, and yes, it’s gnarly to the max!
-Kai

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 8:48:30 AM UTC-5 ian m wrote:

> You may get one snowy ride in with this weekend's Noreaster
>
> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 5:56:03 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Killer Kia, just killer!
>>
>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 3:21:06 PM UTC-5 antc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Flippin' heck, that is one wild build! Any idea on minimum saddle height 
>>> and max tire size?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 12:54:49 PM UTC-6 Teague Scott wrote:
>>>
 Oh man. I’ve been waiting for the day one of these popped up here. 
 Alas, now is just not the time for me. Someone is gonna be a lucky dog!

 On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 11:02:37 AM UTC-7 steve...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Nice build Kai - for sure the wildest Rivendell I've seen yet. Just 
> looking at your pics makes me want to go bike packing. Dare I say gnarly 
> ?!? 
>
> Sooner or later  it's gonna snow and you're gonna miss that two 
> wheeled pack mule . 
>
> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:31:47 AM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Beautiful bike!
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 11:35:50 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> Nice bike but what size is it?  I only the sizes Riv offers.  I'm on 
>>> the short end 47.  When was it built?  Was it a protoype for the Betty 
>>> Foy 
>>> or Cheviot?
>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 7:03:57 PM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This legitimately might be one of the coolest niche Rivendell 
 builds I've seen. *slowly leaves room to avoid impulse decisions* 

 On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 3:15:55 PM UTC-8 Bones wrote:

> I thought the day would never come! Really cool bike Kai. I'm sure 
> you'll find it a new home.
>
> Bones
>
> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 5:33:04 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. 
> -Brooklyn NY wrote:
>
>> Multiple Roscos and multiple bills aren’t adding up, and ever 
>> since I put it together, it hasn’t snowed😩. So here for sale is the 
>> bestest bike for the larger folks out there. I think it measures 64 
>> at the 
>> seat tube, but I’ve got a geometry chart somewhere I’ll plug in here 
>> asap. 
>> Pictures
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/U18G3VtrhaWFDisWA
>> Some weird rare parts, some not. Heartily patinated racks with 
>> internally wired dynamo lights and handmade wooden fenders (pretty 
>> lightweight actually). Racks and fenders made by me, the front rack 
>> can 
>> carry anything you can get into some panniers, with the rear rack 
>> only ever 
>> having held that light there and the fender steady, as I’m hesitant 
>> to load 
>> up the back of toptubeless frame. 
>> I’m keeping the grips and the seat, but everything else you see 
>> is included. Also included is a new Mavic 319 rim for when you’d 
>> like to 
>> swap out the front. Rear wheel came with my Clem and hasn’t seen 
>> much of 
>> the world.
>> Very rare! Highly collectible?!
>> $2000.
>> Thanks for looking, and happy rolling to all
>> -Kai
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[Brady Smith]

As an educator, I'm also a fan of S.M.A.R.T goals, probably more so than my 
middle schoolers, though. 

In 2023 I managed to ride 200k, 300k, and 400k brevets. For 2024, I'm 
planning on adding the 600k, in part because I've always wanted to do the 
whole series, in part because I scored an entry for for LEL 2025, and I 
need some practice riding, sleeping, then riding again. 

I'd also like to commit to more mountain biking and finally make it up 
Little Cottonwood Canyon on the road bike, a feat I've never attempted due 
to its fearsome reputation and it being just a bit farther away from home 
than it's less fearsome sibling. 

Brady in SLC
On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 7:48:14 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Often we do a goals thread, and there seems to me that there's a schism on 
> how to approach goals.  Some folks have very specific goals: i.e. "average 
> 10 miles a day over the year".  Others enjoy eschewing the specificity: 
> i.e. "have more fun on the bike".
>
> I'm a devotee of S.M.A.R.T. goals, which are (S)simple, (M)easurable, 
> (A)chievable, (R)relevant, (T)imply.  The notion of the S.M.A.R.T. goal has 
> improved my life in several ways and maybe in a way has saved my life. I'm 
> a compulsive person and I'm a numbers guy. I'm going to be compulsive about 
> *something 
> , *so if that something can be achievable and healthy, then that's a good 
> thing.  I've gotten into the habit of setting up tons of tiny S.M.A.R.T. 
> goals, and it sets me up to have a regular pattern of taking W's.  
>
> My big picture goals for 2024 include:
>
> 10,000km ridden
> Summit Mount Diablo 5 times on 5 different bikes
> Put myself in the position to attempt my first 400k brevet
> Complete the Marin Mountains 200k brevet
> Complete 25% of every city in Contra Costa County on Wandrer
> Complete 25% of Marin County on Wandrer
> Ride 55 miles on my 55th birthday and kick off riding my age on my 
> birthday as a regular event
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: NYC Riv Ride?

[Caroline Golum]

Very intrigued by the Putnam trail north of Van Cortland as I've never been 
(but have driven past it). And it seems like a convenient-ish location for 
folks from outside NYC. Maybe us city-dwellers can meet for the first leg 
and join the rest coming from outside the city?
On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:28:45 AM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm in NJ too - Essex County, but I get out to Frenchtown every once in a 
> while.  Sounds like a lovely ride for the spring!
>
> James in South Orange
>
> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 10:01:55 PM UTC-5 Robert Blunt wrote:
>
>> I am in Pennington NJ and prefer trails. The Delaware has trails on both 
>> the PA side and the NJ side that are a nice way to spend a whole day. I 
>> usually leave from the Washington Crossing State Park parking lot in 
>> Titusville, ride north to Lambertville, cross the bridge into New Hope and 
>> then catch the trail again north of town. All the way to Frenchtown (back 
>> on the NJ side) is about forty miles back to the parking lot, but there is 
>> also a nice turn around point in Lumbreville where you can get something to 
>> eat at the General Store there. There is a footbridge that crosses the 
>> river there right next to the Black Bass Hotel to get over to the NJ side. 
>> The NJ side has better trail conditions but the PA side is prettier with 
>> better river views. So I often take the PA trail back as well until New 
>> Hope, back over to Lambertville, and south to Titusville. I am on 
>> sabbatical this semester so I will have time to ride on Tuesdays and 
>> Thursdays once I get my new Saluki up and running.
>>
>> Robert Blunt
>> Pennington, NJ
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 5:05 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
>> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds fun!
>>> The Putnam trail North of Van Cortland is pretty, and ridiculously safe 
>>> with decent enough parking for those carventuring in. 
>>> But I f it’s excitement and real city feels everyone’s craving, maybe a 
>>> “every bridge (with bike access) from the Henry Hudson down to the 
>>> Brooklyn” ride? That’s a fun zipper to zip.
>>> -Kai
>>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 1:26:15 PM UTC-5 Caroline Golum wrote:
>>>
 Seeing the LA Riv Ride post got me thinking! Anyone in the NYC area 
 interested in a weekend ride this month? It's chilly, but we can handle it!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[Bill Lindsay]

"I think you meant "timely" instead of "timply" in your SMART acronym?"

Indeed I did.  S.M.A.R.T. goals are a regular thing.  I didn't make up the 
acronym.  It's a common technique to ward off gloom and depression. 
 Therapists, life coaches, etc frequently recommend these things.  The 
great thing about it is that it's kind of self-customized.  You can line up 
your goals to meet the realities of your life.  

Simple (sometimes people use Specific).  It just means it's something very 
clear and not ambiguous.  "Have more fun" doesn't fit.  "Be healthier" 
doesn't fit.  "Go to the gym twice each week" is specific and easy to know 
whether you did it or not.  That kind of thing

Measurable just means it's objectively certain whether you did it or not. 
 There's no judgment in an objective measurement.  "lose 5 pounds" is a 
measurement.  

Achievable means it'll take a little effort but if you try you'll do it. 
 10,000km this year is achievable for me in my current life set-up, but it 
does mean I'm going to have to try.  In comparison, for 2023 I barely made 
3000 miles, under 5000km.  

Relevant means it's something to build towards some other larger objective 
that is important to me.  My fitness goals are all aimed at extending my 
life and maximizing my quality of life.  

Timely means it can happen in a reasonable amount of time.  "Ride 200,000 
miles in my life" is not timely.  "Live to be 90" is not timely, but it may 
be an outcome that is helped along.  I'm knocking out tiny smart-goals 
almost weekly.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:39:22 AM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:

> The trouble is that too many other things interfere with my biking - yard 
> work, home repairs and routine maintenance, auto repair and maintenance, 
> and of course, the weather which can be unpredictable, especially in these 
> latitudes.  IIRC the last 100 miler I rode was something like 2007, the 
> last 100K was maybe a year or two later.  During those years I managed to 
> squeeze around 1,500 miles out of the biking season (Spring, Summer, & 
> Fall).  Not any more.  I'm lucky to get 500miles a year on both road 
> bikes.  I just can't seem to get the time and weather to rack up any more 
> than that plus I'm just physically slower than I used to be - my 75th is 
> coming up soon.  And, though I hate to bring it up, with the advancing age 
> comes a plethora of new medical problems whether physical (muscular, joint, 
> or arthritic) or systemic (cardiac, decreasing lung function, or just plain 
> fatigue).
>
> Good luck with your goals, I hope you make them.  When I was 55 I was far 
> more able to do similar things than I am now.  BTW, I think you meant 
> "timely" instead of "timply" in your SMART acronym?
>
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 11:22:56 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Jock said "but beware the ‘ride your age’ program. I embarked on this 
>> years ago and found we too quickly reach the point where the math just 
>> doesn’t look so good…i.e. it’s all backwards."
>>
>> At what age did you start?  How long did it go?  and when did you decide 
>> for yourself that you can no longer do it?  I definitely see riding 100 
>> miles on my 100th birthday would be worthy of national news.  80 miles on 
>> my 80th also seems a stretch.  70 miles on my 70th I absolutely won't 
>> concede unless something bad happens to me, health-wise.  There are TONS of 
>> SFRandonneurs riders well into their 70s doing 200k brevets like nothing 
>> more than an honest-day's-work.  I want to be like them.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:08:36 AM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>> All worthy goals…but beware the ‘ride your age’ program. I embarked on 
>>> this years ago and found we too quickly reach the point where the math just 
>>> doesn’t look so good…i.e. it’s all backwards. 
>>>
>>> My grandfather, who taught me all I ever needed to know about bicycle 
>>> mechanics, had a goofy plaque over his workbench: ‘Vee get too soon oldt 
>>> und too late schmart’. 
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 6:48 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
 Often we do a goals thread, and there seems to me that there's a schism 
 on how to approach goals.  Some folks have very specific goals: i.e. 
 "average 10 miles a day over the year".  Others enjoy eschewing the 
 specificity: i.e. "have more fun on the bike".

 I'm a devotee of S.M.A.R.T. goals, which are (S)simple, (M)easurable, 
 (A)chievable, (R)relevant, (T)imply.  The notion of the S.M.A.R.T. goal 
 has 
 improved my life in several ways and maybe in a way has saved my life. I'm 
 a compulsive person and I'm a numbers guy. I'm going to be compulsive 
 about *something 
 , *so if that something can be achievable and healthy, then that's a 
 good thing.  I've gotten into the habit of setting up tons of tiny 
 S.M.A.R.T. goals, and it sets me up to have a regular patte

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Jumbo Rosco Bubbe Iditabike

[Teague Scott]

Sweet, thanks. I’m an 83 - knew I’d be more than safe but was just intrigued.- TeagueOn Jan 5, 2024, at 11:24, Kainalu V.  -Brooklyn NY  wrote:Yeah, I knew putting it up on the block would bring the precipitation… still not enough to bring out these Ice Spiker studs. Speaking of which, I’ll include some not ridiculously huge spiked tires in the sale, something to get it close to its maximum size tire of around 2.4”. The seat height is about 73cm for a lowest point possible, probably 88cm in the photos. Thanks for all the kind words, and yes, it’s gnarly to the max!-KaiOn Friday, January 5, 2024 at 8:48:30 AM UTC-5 ian m wrote:You may get one snowy ride in with this weekend's NoreasterOn Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 5:56:03 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:Killer Kia, just killer!On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 3:21:06 PM UTC-5 antc...@gmail.com wrote:Flippin' heck, that is one wild build! Any idea on minimum saddle height and max tire size?On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 12:54:49 PM UTC-6 Teague Scott wrote:Oh man. I’ve been waiting for the day one of these popped up here. Alas, now is just not the time for me. Someone is gonna be a lucky dog!On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 11:02:37 AM UTC-7 steve...@gmail.com wrote:Nice build Kai - for sure the wildest Rivendell I've seen yet. Just looking at your pics makes me want to go bike packing. Dare I say gnarly ?!? Sooner or later  it's gonna snow and you're gonna miss that two wheeled pack mule . On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:31:47 AM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:Beautiful bike!On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 11:35:50 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:Nice bike but what size is it?  I only the sizes Riv offers.  I'm on the short end 47.  When was it built?  Was it a protoype for the Betty Foy or Cheviot?On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 7:03:57 PM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright wrote:This legitimately might be one of the coolest niche Rivendell builds I've seen. *slowly leaves room to avoid impulse decisions* On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 3:15:55 PM UTC-8 Bones wrote:I thought the day would never come! Really cool bike Kai. I'm sure you'll find it a new home.BonesOn Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 5:33:04 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V.  -Brooklyn NY wrote:Multiple Roscos and multiple bills aren’t adding up, and ever since I put it together, it hasn’t snowed😩. So here for sale is the bestest bike for the larger folks out there. I think it measures 64 at the seat tube, but I’ve got a geometry chart somewhere I’ll plug in here asap. Pictureshttps://photos.app.goo.gl/U18G3VtrhaWFDisWASome weird rare parts, some not. Heartily patinated racks with internally wired dynamo lights and handmade wooden fenders (pretty lightweight actually). Racks and fenders made by me, the front rack can carry anything you can get into some panniers, with the rear rack only ever having held that light there and the fender steady, as I’m hesitant to load up the back of toptubeless frame. I’m keeping the grips and the seat, but everything else you see is included. Also included is a new Mavic 319 rim for when you’d like to swap out the front. Rear wheel came with my Clem and hasn’t seen much of the world.Very rare! Highly collectible?!$2000.Thanks for looking, and happy rolling to all-Kai



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Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Decaleur

[John Bokman]

Ron, I haven't seen an Ostrich bag like yours. Is this a F-106? Does the 
lid open away from you or toward you when riding? 

Thanks,
John

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:12:01 AM UTC-8 Ron Mc wrote:

> Here's the result with the new decaleur on my 15-l Ostrich front bag on 
> Viner gravel bike - rock solid
>
> [image: a7PB030002.JPG]
>
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 12:10:01 PM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
>
>> Thanks Rich, 
>> They're like sapphires all over the bike.  
>> There are a few choices for the titanium, Wanyifa sells on Amazon and Ali 
>> Express; ebay seller Great Gears, and automotive shops like Acer and 
>> ProBolt.  
>> For the brake bolts, I went to the quality automotive shops, for the trim 
>> parts, was happy with Amazon delivery.  
>> [image: a4P3120003.JPG]  [image: a4P3120005.JPG]
>> Seatpost clamp bolt from Germany.  
>> Also found a couple of Rocky Mountain vendors with titanium bottle cage.  
>> [image: a4P3120011.JPG]  [image: 4P9080004.JPG]
>>
>> I started this nonsense when I was hanging a double kickstand on my Viner 
>> to keep it stable with a loaded 15-l front bag.  
>> Discovered I could replace this much steel with titanium ordering custom 
>> from Wanyifa.  
>> I've worked this bike over, replacing M5 w/ Ti
>> [image: 7pSd0pS.jpg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 11:36:00 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ron,
>>>
>>> No need to be embarrassed by your Mercian. A bike that gorgeous requires 
>>> every detail to suit. It shows how much you care. 
>>> I'll have to rethink my choice of fasteners! 
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 1, 2024 at 8:54 PM Ron Mc  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Rich, 
 Thanks friend.  
 While the Berthoud decaleur is the best in function, it's also the best 
 in non-function - it's clean and inoffensive when it's not supporting a 
 bag.  

 [image: P3220007.JPG]

 Thanks again - my Mercian is embarrassingly pretty, and received blue 
 titanium fasteners everywhere I could use them, along with blue Paul Moons 
 and Gino.  
 Instead of a brake bolt, the Dia Compe CP have female threads in the 
 caliper backplate, so I could use blue titanium M6 bolt through the fork 
 crown and rear brake bridge.  

  [image: P1150003.JPG]  [image: P1090002.JPG]   [image: 1P1080020.JPG]

 On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 7:32:14 PM UTC-6 RichS wrote:

> Ron,
>
> Thank you for posting this. I have always like the Berthoud decaleur; 
> good to know they're available. Might be time time to lose the cords that 
> attach to the drops on my hbars. Also, great looking handlebar/bag setup 
> and a gorgeous Mercian!
>
> Happy New Year!
> Rich in ATL 
>
> On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 7:55:40 PM UTC-5 Ron Mc wrote:
>
>> Hi, 
>> Haven't posted here in awhile, but this group ought to appreciate the 
>> heads up.  
>> Berthoud decaleur is back in stock in all varitions - it's been 
>> absent for 10 years.  
>> I just ordered one I need, horizontal stem bolt and 90-mm reach.  
>> Their Christmas sale was still in effect today - free DHL Express 
>> from France.  
>> With VAT subtracted, mine is coming home for 97 euro.  
>>
>> https://berthoudcycles.fr/en/883-899-handlebar-bag-decaleur.html#/186-length-50mm/187-stem_type-ahead_4_bolt_faceplate
>>
>> IMO, best decaleur design ever.  
>> [image: tSF2Er6.jpg]
>>
>> Since I'm here, my '85  Mercian, Gran Compe CPs with Ene-mini 
>> front-brake-bolt rack and Berthoud Singer mini front bag.  
>> [image: a8PA290006.JPG]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Johnny Alien]

I stick by letting her pick. She is currently riding a 30 year old Trek 
hybrid so either one will fit her riding conditions. If she doesn't want to 
spend the extra cash then the Clem is a fantastic pick. I love mine and 
personally wouldn't trade it for another Riv (noting that I have a lighter 
RIvendell as well). But if they both work the only thing in the world that 
matters is that she likes it. Why talk her into the more expensive ride if 
the Clem will fit the conditions and she likes it?

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 7:10:21 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Obviously the Platy requires more material and labor for the extended mid 
> tube. Bicycles are long term investments though, so letting a few hundred 
> dollars get it in the way hardly qualifies as a valid reason to dismiss 
> something base don that alone. Get the one that is appealing to look at 
> every day. 
>
> From my own subjective view, the Platypus has an appealing elegance to it 
> with the extended swooping mid tube. Plus the purple accentuates it very 
> well, of which direct sunlight will enhance it even more. 
>
> Complete or build your own depends on if the included parts are agreeable 
> or not. If you have nothing specific to change then they're fine. 
>
> The Clem has a notably longer frame reach than the Platypus, which may 
> only be noticed if you have both. The Platy with it's 50mm max tires is 
> plenty for the type of riding Sean suggested. 
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 8:15:46 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>>  I have weighed in on that thread that was quoted, but I’ll chime in 
>> again because my name got mentioned.
>>
>>  I had both bikes, loved both bikes. But the Platypus is the better fit 
>> for me. I like to ride pavement and I do like to go fast, and that’s the 
>> sweet spot for a Platy. And, it fits me like a GLOVE. The wife in question 
>> doesn’t seem to have a preference, save that she doesn’t want to blow the 
>> budget. I surmise the OP would like to choose a bike that his wife might 
>> fall in love with and wish to ride more often. The Platy complete is a 
>> great deal, and if she’s a 50, they are in stock. And like Pam said, let 
>> her choose the color. If she falls in love with the bike you can get the 
>> parts she wants later. 
>>
>> Oh, and give her a special little ornament of some sort. A charm she can 
>> hang or an enameled pin to put on her bag. Thoughtful details make us fall 
>> in love with the gifts our men give us. 
>>
>> Leah
>>
>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 6:55:39 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> ...or if you get a Clem, you are welcome to join the Clem Club.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024, 8:38 AM Ben Compton  wrote:
>>>
 also if you get a platypus you get to join the platypals, which is a 
 thing I just made up

 On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 8:51 AM Sarah Carlson  
 wrote:

> Yes, did you know when you you get your lady a Riv she has an 
> immediate community of RivSisters? Pam has brought up the most wonderful 
> point! 
>
> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Leah, aka Bicycle Belle Ding Ding would be a good person to comment 
>> since she has both.  I'd go for the Platypus.  I have the precursor 
>> which 
>> was the Betty Foy and love it.  And it's the follow up to your Cheviot.  
>> Please let her pick out the color.  And all the RivSisters will have fun 
>> helping her accessorize it.  Please give her my email if she has any 
>> questions.  
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 2:25:18 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> @Tim -
>>>
>>> Here's my 52 blue Clem.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024, 10:34 AM Tom Wyland  wrote:
>>>
 Ha Ha, yeah I never bothered to go find Kim's bike and look at it.  
 So yeah they're basically the same.  

 On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 10:07:15 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien 
 wrote:

 I'm not sure I would call a Clem with 4 empty bottles/cages, rear 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Johnny Alien]

I would also add that if someone forced me to get rid of one Rivendell and 
live with just one bike it would be the Clem. I think it is the most 
RIvendell bike ever in spirit. A cushy ride that will go anywhere and is 
not too fancy. Thankfully no one has made me make that choice.

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 3:19:08 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I stick by letting her pick. She is currently riding a 30 year old Trek 
> hybrid so either one will fit her riding conditions. If she doesn't want to 
> spend the extra cash then the Clem is a fantastic pick. I love mine and 
> personally wouldn't trade it for another Riv (noting that I have a lighter 
> RIvendell as well). But if they both work the only thing in the world that 
> matters is that she likes it. Why talk her into the more expensive ride if 
> the Clem will fit the conditions and she likes it?
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 7:10:21 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> Obviously the Platy requires more material and labor for the extended mid 
>> tube. Bicycles are long term investments though, so letting a few hundred 
>> dollars get it in the way hardly qualifies as a valid reason to dismiss 
>> something base don that alone. Get the one that is appealing to look at 
>> every day. 
>>
>> From my own subjective view, the Platypus has an appealing elegance to it 
>> with the extended swooping mid tube. Plus the purple accentuates it very 
>> well, of which direct sunlight will enhance it even more. 
>>
>> Complete or build your own depends on if the included parts are agreeable 
>> or not. If you have nothing specific to change then they're fine. 
>>
>> The Clem has a notably longer frame reach than the Platypus, which may 
>> only be noticed if you have both. The Platy with it's 50mm max tires is 
>> plenty for the type of riding Sean suggested. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 8:15:46 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  I have weighed in on that thread that was quoted, but I’ll chime in 
>>> again because my name got mentioned.
>>>
>>>  I had both bikes, loved both bikes. But the Platypus is the better fit 
>>> for me. I like to ride pavement and I do like to go fast, and that’s the 
>>> sweet spot for a Platy. And, it fits me like a GLOVE. The wife in question 
>>> doesn’t seem to have a preference, save that she doesn’t want to blow the 
>>> budget. I surmise the OP would like to choose a bike that his wife might 
>>> fall in love with and wish to ride more often. The Platy complete is a 
>>> great deal, and if she’s a 50, they are in stock. And like Pam said, let 
>>> her choose the color. If she falls in love with the bike you can get the 
>>> parts she wants later. 
>>>
>>> Oh, and give her a special little ornament of some sort. A charm she can 
>>> hang or an enameled pin to put on her bag. Thoughtful details make us fall 
>>> in love with the gifts our men give us. 
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 6:55:39 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 ...or if you get a Clem, you are welcome to join the Clem Club.

 Kim Hetzel.

 On Thu, Jan 4, 2024, 8:38 AM Ben Compton  wrote:

> also if you get a platypus you get to join the platypals, which is a 
> thing I just made up
>
> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 8:51 AM Sarah Carlson  
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, did you know when you you get your lady a Riv she has an 
>> immediate community of RivSisters? Pam has brought up the most wonderful 
>> point! 
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> Leah, aka Bicycle Belle Ding Ding would be a good person to comment 
>>> since she has both.  I'd go for the Platypus.  I have the precursor 
>>> which 
>>> was the Betty Foy and love it.  And it's the follow up to your Cheviot. 
>>>  
>>> Please let her pick out the color.  And all the RivSisters will have 
>>> fun 
>>> helping her accessorize it.  Please give her my email if she has any 
>>> questions.  
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 2:25:18 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 @Tim -

 Here's my 52 blue Clem.

 Kim Hetzel.


 On Wed, Jan 3, 2024, 10:34 AM Tom Wyland  wrote:

> Ha Ha, yeah I never bothered to go find Kim's bike and look at 
> it.  So yeah they're basically the same.  
>
> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 10:07:15 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien 
> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure I would call a Clem with 4 empty bottles/cages, rear 
> rack, fenders, and a pump "naked" haha
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Re: [RBW] Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[John Dewey]

Yikes, when did I start? In my mid-60s I suppose, thereabouts. Got 75
coming up later this month. I’m ready for it so should be good to go. An
old fart in Athens, whose name I can’t recall, had a good group ride-along
on his 84-miler. I’d be happy with that now.

Trouble with getting older is the years come in hot and then they fly by.
Best to forget about it…pay no attention…oh yea, good luck with that 🤪

Jock

On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 9:22 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Jock said "but beware the ‘ride your age’ program. I embarked on this
> years ago and found we too quickly reach the point where the math just
> doesn’t look so good…i.e. it’s all backward
> At what age did you start?  How long did it go?  and when did you decide
> for yourself that you can no longer do it?  I definitely see riding 100
> miles on my 100th birthday would be worthy of national news.  80 miles on
> my 80th also seems a stretch.  70 miles on my 70th I absolutely won't
> concede unless something bad happens to me, health-wise.  There are TONS of
> SFRandonneurs riders well into their 70s doing 200k brevets like nothing
> more than an honest-day's-work.  I want to be like them.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:08:36 AM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> All worthy goals…but beware the ‘ride your age’ program. I embarked on
>> this years ago and found we too quickly reach the point where the math just
>> doesn’t look so good…i.e. it’s all backwards.
>>
>> My grandfather, who taught me all I ever needed to know about bicycle
>> mechanics, had a goofy plaque over his workbench: ‘Vee get too soon oldt
>> und too late schmart’.
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 6:48 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> Often we do a goals thread, and there seems to me that there's a schism
>>> on how to approach goals.  Some folks have very specific goals: i.e.
>>> "average 10 miles a day over the year".  Others enjoy eschewing the
>>> specificity: i.e. "have more fun on the bike".
>>>
>>> I'm a devotee of S.M.A.R.T. goals, which are (S)simple, (M)easurable,
>>> (A)chievable, (R)relevant, (T)imply.  The notion of the S.M.A.R.T. goal has
>>> improved my life in several ways and maybe in a way has saved my life. I'm
>>> a compulsive person and I'm a numbers guy. I'm going to be compulsive about 
>>> *something
>>> , *so if that something can be achievable and healthy, then that's a
>>> good thing.  I've gotten into the habit of setting up tons of tiny
>>> S.M.A.R.T. goals, and it sets me up to have a regular pattern of taking
>>> W's.
>>>
>>> My big picture goals for 2024 include:
>>>
>>> 10,000km ridden
>>> Summit Mount Diablo 5 times on 5 different bikes
>>> Put myself in the position to attempt my first 400k brevet
>>> Complete the Marin Mountains 200k brevet
>>> Complete 25% of every city in Contra Costa County on Wandrer
>>> Complete 25% of Marin County on Wandrer
>>> Ride 55 miles on my 55th birthday and kick off riding my age on my
>>> birthday as a regular event
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Kim H.]

My 52cm Clem Smith Jr L bicycle is my one and only favorite bike. I cannot
see myself on any other Rivendell bicycle.

My old road bike has long been retired and no interest in riding it.

Kim Hetzel.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2024, 12:21 PM Johnny Alien 
wrote:

> I would also add that if someone forced me to get rid of one Rivendell and
> live with just one bike it would be the Clem. I think it is the most
> RIvendell bike ever in spirit. A cushy ride that will go anywhere and is
> not too fancy. Thankfully no one has made me make that choice.
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 3:19:08 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I stick by letting her pick. She is currently riding a 30 year old Trek
>> hybrid so either one will fit her riding conditions. If she doesn't want to
>> spend the extra cash then the Clem is a fantastic pick. I love mine and
>> personally wouldn't trade it for another Riv (noting that I have a lighter
>> RIvendell as well). But if they both work the only thing in the world that
>> matters is that she likes it. Why talk her into the more expensive ride if
>> the Clem will fit the conditions and she likes it?
>>
>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 7:10:21 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Obviously the Platy requires more material and labor for the extended
>>> mid tube. Bicycles are long term investments though, so letting a few
>>> hundred dollars get it in the way hardly qualifies as a valid reason to
>>> dismiss something base don that alone. Get the one that is appealing to
>>> look at every day.
>>>
>>> From my own subjective view, the Platypus has an appealing elegance to
>>> it with the extended swooping mid tube. Plus the purple accentuates it very
>>> well, of which direct sunlight will enhance it even more.
>>>
>>> Complete or build your own depends on if the included parts are
>>> agreeable or not. If you have nothing specific to change then they're fine.
>>>
>>> The Clem has a notably longer frame reach than the Platypus, which may
>>> only be noticed if you have both. The Platy with it's 50mm max tires is
>>> plenty for the type of riding Sean suggested.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 8:15:46 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
  I have weighed in on that thread that was quoted, but I’ll chime in
 again because my name got mentioned.

  I had both bikes, loved both bikes. But the Platypus is the better fit
 for me. I like to ride pavement and I do like to go fast, and that’s the
 sweet spot for a Platy. And, it fits me like a GLOVE. The wife in question
 doesn’t seem to have a preference, save that she doesn’t want to blow the
 budget. I surmise the OP would like to choose a bike that his wife might
 fall in love with and wish to ride more often. The Platy complete is a
 great deal, and if she’s a 50, they are in stock. And like Pam said, let
 her choose the color. If she falls in love with the bike you can get the
 parts she wants later.

 Oh, and give her a special little ornament of some sort. A charm she
 can hang or an enameled pin to put on her bag. Thoughtful details make us
 fall in love with the gifts our men give us.

 Leah

 On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 6:55:39 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> ...or if you get a Clem, you are welcome to join the Clem Club.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024, 8:38 AM Ben Compton  wrote:
>
>> also if you get a platypus you get to join the platypals, which is a
>> thing I just made up
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 8:51 AM Sarah Carlson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, did you know when you you get your lady a Riv she has an
>>> immediate community of RivSisters? Pam has brought up the most wonderful
>>> point!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>
 Leah, aka Bicycle Belle Ding Ding would be a good person to comment
 since she has both.  I'd go for the Platypus.  I have the precursor 
 which
 was the Betty Foy and love it.  And it's the follow up to your Cheviot.
 Please let her pick out the color.  And all the RivSisters will have 
 fun
 helping her accessorize it.  Please give her my email if she has any
 questions.

 On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 2:25:18 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> @Tim -
>
> Here's my 52 blue Clem.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024, 10:34 AM Tom Wyland 
> wrote:
>
>> Ha Ha, yeah I never bothered to go find Kim's bike and look at
>> it.  So yeah they're basically the same.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 10:07:15 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure I would call a Clem with 4 empty bottles/cages, rear
>> rack, fenders, and a p

Re: [RBW] Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[George Schick]

‘Vee get too soon oldt und too late schmart’  I love it. Sounds exactly 
like some of the things my grandfather used to say.  I may have to make a 
plaque for this myself.

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 11:08:36 AM UTC-6 John Dewey wrote:

> All worthy goals…but beware the ‘ride your age’ program. I embarked on 
> this years ago and found we too quickly reach the point where the math just 
> doesn’t look so good…i.e. it’s all backwards. 
>
> My grandfather, who taught me all I ever needed to know about bicycle 
> mechanics, had a goofy plaque over his workbench: ‘Vee get too soon oldt 
> und too late schmart’. 
>
> Jock
>
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 6:48 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> Often we do a goals thread, and there seems to me that there's a schism 
>> on how to approach goals.  Some folks have very specific goals: i.e. 
>> "average 10 miles a day over the year".  Others enjoy eschewing the 
>> specificity: i.e. "have more fun on the bike".
>>
>> I'm a devotee of S.M.A.R.T. goals, which are (S)simple, (M)easurable, 
>> (A)chievable, (R)relevant, (T)imply.  The notion of the S.M.A.R.T. goal has 
>> improved my life in several ways and maybe in a way has saved my life. I'm 
>> a compulsive person and I'm a numbers guy. I'm going to be compulsive about 
>> *something 
>> , *so if that something can be achievable and healthy, then that's a 
>> good thing.  I've gotten into the habit of setting up tons of tiny 
>> S.M.A.R.T. goals, and it sets me up to have a regular pattern of taking 
>> W's.  
>>
>> My big picture goals for 2024 include:
>>
>> 10,000km ridden
>> Summit Mount Diablo 5 times on 5 different bikes
>> Put myself in the position to attempt my first 400k brevet
>> Complete the Marin Mountains 200k brevet
>> Complete 25% of every city in Contra Costa County on Wandrer
>> Complete 25% of Marin County on Wandrer
>> Ride 55 miles on my 55th birthday and kick off riding my age on my 
>> birthday as a regular event
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: New MKS Pretzel pedals coming out next month

[Eric Marth]

Justin et al: Anyone had a chance to try these pretzels yet? Let me know, 
very curious. 

Anyone remember those dreadful "Must be the pretzels!" commercials from the 
mid 90s? 

https://youtu.be/0yMoV0BE-mI?si=110yTxnvbkaaLgs6

On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 9:10:26 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> I just received two sets of these pedals from Japan (one in silver and one 
> in black). Haven't put them on a bike yet but they're essentially MKS 
> Monarch's with the Riv pedal wings 
>  built in. Some 
> minor differences but that's the gist of it. Looks like they're panda-able, 
> too, same way the Monarchs can be switched out to mix and match colors. 
> These were $50 (shipping included) from Amazon Japan but looks like the 
> price has since gone up. Blue Lug is selling them, too, for just under $50 
> but gotta pay that $$$ shipping. Anyone else tried them yet? 
>
> https://global.bluelug.com/mks-pretzel-pedal-silver-1.html 
>
> On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 11:33:58 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> It kind of looks like a mash-up of my two favorite MKS pedals, the 
>> Sneaker Pedal and the Gamma/Monarch. I'm def curious about these. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:48:58 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> Must be a MKS thing, pretzel, taco... what's next the nacho pedals???
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 12:35:10 AM UTC-4 Luke Hendrickson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I’ve seen it in-person and … I’ll pass. 

 On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:50:19 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> @Bill
>
> Thank you for your information. 
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2023, 2:36 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> "Curious as to whether or not they would accept the cage extension 
>> that currently RBW sells."
>>
>> The Pretzel pedal has the cage extension BUILT IN.  You won't need 
>> the cage extension with the Pretzel.  It's already in there.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 9:45:51 AM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I came across  these new MKS Pretzel pedals, while looking for 
>> something else on the MKS website. They definitely look like they a 
>> twist 
>> to them, like a pretzel.  Curious as to whether or not they would accept 
>> the cage extension that currently RBW sells.  
>>
>> https://www.mkspedal.com/?q=en/news/node/453
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
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[RBW] Re: Roadini Feedback

[Stephen Durfee]

Chris - I got my Roadini just over a year ago, a complete bike purchased 
from a CL listing in South Carolina that I had shipped to Napa. I wanted a 
RIv so bad, and a "road bike" in particular, but was (perhaps like you), 
hoping to save a few bucks on a pre-owned model. I had previously visited 
HQ and talked with Will, who acknowledged that I was on the cusp between 54 
and 57, and that either could be a good fit...I later concluded that I 
should have gone with the larger size - the one I got was a 54 in "Old 
Blue", an earlier model which would not accept the larger tire size that 
the newer models do.  I liked the bike well enough that I considered 
investing in a brand new frame (that Gold is hot!) but also realized that I 
didn't love the components that came with that bike in the first place.  
And so, since I would have been essentially starting from scratch,  it 
didn't take much convincing to grab that Homer frame that came up locally, 
and then build it up with the parts that I wanted. Now I have a bike that I 
love, love, love, in a size that fits!  I kept it lean, with some Noodles 
and 33mm Jack Browns, no racks and only a spare tire tool kit. The Roadini 
felt good, but the Homer feels great! And while I'm the first to 
acknowledge that I know nothing about BB drop, or could comment on 
flexiness, or even know how much it weighs...I feel fast when I'm on it. 

If in your heart, you want an orange 50, I'd say just wait. But you're 
close enough to Walnut Creek to go have a spin on a new bike and see what 
you think. The newsletter that came out today says they discovered one Gold 
50 in stock...

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:23:50 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> It's way more flexy/comfy than my Custom Ti bike, which friends already 
> claim is flexy and comfy when they ride it (and which flexes like crazy 
> when I attach a trailer to it). It's overbuilt for me @ 145 pounds. If I 
> was 160 pounds I wouldn't consider it over built, and if I was 200 pounds I 
> still wouldn't expect to break it. My big complaint is that I don't 
> consider 75mm BB drop to be sufficient for 30mm tires on the road. I want 
> 80mm or 85mm drop for a bike built for modern style giant tires where you 
> wouldn't expect to ride anything smaller than 700x30.
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:19:37 AM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I guess that's my concern is I'm not looking for a gravel bike.. I'm 
>> looking for a zippy (fast-ish) road bike that will take larger tires.. 
>> Also,  one of my main concerns is the bike will be overbuilt, meaning the 
>> tubes will be heavy enough that it won't flex enough to be comfy.. 
>>
>> Thoughts? 
>>
>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:15:25 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I have about 1300 miles on my Roadini: 
>>> https://blog.piaw.net/2023/05/rivendell-roadini-1000-mile-review.html. 
>>> With 700x28mm tires it feels as fast as any bike I've ridden that's not 
>>> built to be ultralight. I built mine up to be around 20 pounds with pedals, 
>>> bottle cage and pump but no toolkit or water bottle. I could have probably 
>>> shaved another pound off with Jon Neugent's 1430g wheels. Having said that, 
>>> it doesn't beat my custom Ti touring bike built based on the 1993 
>>> Bridgestone RB-1 geometry on climbs up hills or stability on descents (the 
>>> higher BB on the Roadini is to blame). What I do find is that with 38mm 
>>> tires it is an excellent gravel bike and I have no issues taking it down 
>>> single track  trails that others would consider MTB trails. The Tektro 559s 
>>> outperform any disc brakes I've ever found and never make noise (unlike any 
>>> disc brakes I've ever ridden).
>>>
>>> I did buy another 50cm Roadini to build up for my son when he's tall 
>>> enough to ride it (which won't take a year), so that tells you that I think 
>>> it's the best general purpose bike in the Rivendell stable. The bike is so 
>>> versatile I wouldn't hesitate to take it anywhere except a dedicated 
>>> downhill MTB park.
>>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:54:56 AM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Howdy all,

 So I realize I'm posting this on the RBW list, so there is bound to be 
 some bias and that's ok.. ;) I'm a Riv owner myself with a current AHH I 
 got from my Dad when he passed and have previously owned a Bleriot and a 
 Ram for a short time. 

 So, my question is simple- does the Roadini feel fast(ish) when riding? 
 I'm sure builds vary and so weight will vary, but I know some bikes can 
 weigh a bit more and still feel "quick".. to be fair, I'm no racer, but I 
 like a bike to feel good when I stand up to pedal or am zipping around at 
 my, fast for me, 18-19 mph.. 

 I would be looking to build up with drop bars BTW with a modern-ish 
 group.. 

 Finally, anyone have a 50cm frameset (or complete maybe) they are 
 looking to move? 

 Thanks,
 Chris is S

Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini Feedback

[藍俊彪]

The A Homer Hilsen comes with an 80mm drop, which could be one reason you
like it over the Roadini. But the Hilsen probably won't fit in my travel
bike box.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2024, 17:54 Stephen Durfee  wrote:

> Chris - I got my Roadini just over a year ago, a complete bike purchased
> from a CL listing in South Carolina that I had shipped to Napa. I wanted a
> RIv so bad, and a "road bike" in particular, but was (perhaps like you),
> hoping to save a few bucks on a pre-owned model. I had previously visited
> HQ and talked with Will, who acknowledged that I was on the cusp between 54
> and 57, and that either could be a good fit...I later concluded that I
> should have gone with the larger size - the one I got was a 54 in "Old
> Blue", an earlier model which would not accept the larger tire size that
> the newer models do.  I liked the bike well enough that I considered
> investing in a brand new frame (that Gold is hot!) but also realized that I
> didn't love the components that came with that bike in the first place.
> And so, since I would have been essentially starting from scratch,  it
> didn't take much convincing to grab that Homer frame that came up locally,
> and then build it up with the parts that I wanted. Now I have a bike that I
> love, love, love, in a size that fits!  I kept it lean, with some Noodles
> and 33mm Jack Browns, no racks and only a spare tire tool kit. The Roadini
> felt good, but the Homer feels great! And while I'm the first to
> acknowledge that I know nothing about BB drop, or could comment on
> flexiness, or even know how much it weighs...I feel fast when I'm on it.
>
> If in your heart, you want an orange 50, I'd say just wait. But you're
> close enough to Walnut Creek to go have a spin on a new bike and see what
> you think. The newsletter that came out today says they discovered one Gold
> 50 in stock...
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:23:50 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It's way more flexy/comfy than my Custom Ti bike, which friends already
>> claim is flexy and comfy when they ride it (and which flexes like crazy
>> when I attach a trailer to it). It's overbuilt for me @ 145 pounds. If I
>> was 160 pounds I wouldn't consider it over built, and if I was 200 pounds I
>> still wouldn't expect to break it. My big complaint is that I don't
>> consider 75mm BB drop to be sufficient for 30mm tires on the road. I want
>> 80mm or 85mm drop for a bike built for modern style giant tires where you
>> wouldn't expect to ride anything smaller than 700x30.
>>
>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:19:37 AM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I guess that's my concern is I'm not looking for a gravel bike.. I'm
>>> looking for a zippy (fast-ish) road bike that will take larger tires..
>>> Also,  one of my main concerns is the bike will be overbuilt, meaning the
>>> tubes will be heavy enough that it won't flex enough to be comfy..
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:15:25 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I have about 1300 miles on my Roadini:
 https://blog.piaw.net/2023/05/rivendell-roadini-1000-mile-review.html.
 With 700x28mm tires it feels as fast as any bike I've ridden that's not
 built to be ultralight. I built mine up to be around 20 pounds with pedals,
 bottle cage and pump but no toolkit or water bottle. I could have probably
 shaved another pound off with Jon Neugent's 1430g wheels. Having said that,
 it doesn't beat my custom Ti touring bike built based on the 1993
 Bridgestone RB-1 geometry on climbs up hills or stability on descents (the
 higher BB on the Roadini is to blame). What I do find is that with 38mm
 tires it is an excellent gravel bike and I have no issues taking it down
 single track  trails that others would consider MTB trails. The Tektro 559s
 outperform any disc brakes I've ever found and never make noise (unlike any
 disc brakes I've ever ridden).

 I did buy another 50cm Roadini to build up for my son when he's tall
 enough to ride it (which won't take a year), so that tells you that I think
 it's the best general purpose bike in the Rivendell stable. The bike is so
 versatile I wouldn't hesitate to take it anywhere except a dedicated
 downhill MTB park.
 On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:54:56 AM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> Howdy all,
>
> So I realize I'm posting this on the RBW list, so there is bound to be
> some bias and that's ok.. ;) I'm a Riv owner myself with a current AHH I
> got from my Dad when he passed and have previously owned a Bleriot and a
> Ram for a short time.
>
> So, my question is simple- does the Roadini feel fast(ish) when
> riding? I'm sure builds vary and so weight will vary, but I know some 
> bikes
> can weigh a bit more and still feel "quick".. to be fair, I'm no racer, 
> but
> I like a bike to feel good when I stand up to pedal or am zipping arou

Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Decaleur

[Steve]

Ron, I'm just now catching up with your thread. Let me say if I may  - you 
have put together some exceptional builds. I'm intrigued by the Raleigh - 
that is a Raleigh International? Judging from the placement of the brake 
pads and the presence of fenders I'm guessing you've built it as a 650b 
conversion. I'd love to see a bit more of it. 

I have a soft spot for old Raleighs - an early 1970s Gran Sport was the 
second bicycle I purchased for myself, happily replacing a stolen Schwinn 
Varsity.  I lusted for a Professional, but only had the coin for the GS 
back in my student days. 

Steve in Asheville, NC

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 3:59:20 PM UTC-5 Ron Mc wrote:

>
> John, one more thing while I'm thinking about it.  
> The F106 opens from the bottom front toward the rear - what I wanted to 
> add, it doesn't have a tombstone sleeve.  
> It takes some creative strapping to secure it to a front rack - and again, 
> I'm delighted with it on this bike and for this use.  
> [image: a4P4250002.JPG] [image: a4P4250006.JPG] [image: a4P5060004.JPG]
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi John, yes, that's the F106 - it must be the biggest front bag out 
>> there.  
>>
>> It otherwise opens backwards, but works well in this configuration.  
>> The decaleur replaced those red straps and provides much more overall 
>> support.  
>>
>> [image: P1160004 (2).JPG]
>>
>> This is my bike-fish bike - can pedal it to county road crossings with 
>> moratorium on parking cars - roll it into the flood plain sendero, cafe 
>> lock to a tree - you're out of the county right of way and into state 
>> navigation rights.  Also take it every winter to Laguna Atascosa NWR - 
>> 98,000 acres along Cayo and Laguna Madre shores - it all belongs to bikes 
>> and ocelots - the macadam was closed to motors 15 years ago.  
>> All bike items are in the saddlebag, especially fold-up tire and a gang 
>> of tubes, all repair items - also, a fishing bag will strap on the Ostrich 
>> S-2 saddlebag using the built-in straps.  
>>
>> I have 3 rods that will fit in the half-frame bag, 6-pc fly rod, Smith 
>> telescoping stream trout casting, and Legit Design 5-pc inshore casting.  
>> The massive front bag will carry boots with extra room, or snugs a 15-l 
>> Ice Mule with a 6-pack.  
>> The front bag also expands upward, and can keep a redfish catch chilled 
>> in the open ice mule.  
>>
>> something else to show on the S-2 saddlebag, it has a bottom sleeve that 
>> fits Nitto Erlen bag support literally like a glove.  
>> The Erlen bag support stacks on seat rails.  
>> [image: aP1160004.JPG]
>>
>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 1:11:36 PM UTC-6 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> Ron, I haven't seen an Ostrich bag like yours. Is this a F-106? Does the 
>>> lid open away from you or toward you when riding? 
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:12:01 AM UTC-8 Ron Mc wrote:
>>>
 Here's the result with the new decaleur on my 15-l Ostrich front bag on 
 Viner gravel bike - rock solid

 [image: a7PB030002.JPG]

 On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 12:10:01 PM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:

> Thanks Rich, 
> They're like sapphires all over the bike.  
> There are a few choices for the titanium, Wanyifa sells on Amazon and 
> Ali Express; ebay seller Great Gears, and automotive shops like Acer and 
> ProBolt.  
> For the brake bolts, I went to the quality automotive shops, for the 
> trim parts, was happy with Amazon delivery.  
> [image: a4P3120003.JPG]  [image: a4P3120005.JPG]
> Seatpost clamp bolt from Germany.  
> Also found a couple of Rocky Mountain vendors with titanium bottle 
> cage.  
> [image: a4P3120011.JPG]  [image: 4P9080004.JPG]
>
> I started this nonsense when I was hanging a double kickstand on my 
> Viner to keep it stable with a loaded 15-l front bag.  
> Discovered I could replace this much steel with titanium ordering 
> custom from Wanyifa.  
> I've worked this bike over, replacing M5 w/ Ti
> [image: 7pSd0pS.jpg]
>
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 11:36:00 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:
>
>> Hi Ron,
>>
>> No need to be embarrassed by your Mercian. A bike that gorgeous 
>> requires every detail to suit. It shows how much you care. 
>> I'll have to rethink my choice of fasteners! 
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 1, 2024 at 8:54 PM Ron Mc  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Rich, 
>>> Thanks friend.  
>>> While the Berthoud decaleur is the best in function, it's also the 
>>> best in non-function - it's clean and inoffensive when it's not 
>>> supporting 
>>> a bag.  
>>>
>>> [image: P3220007.JPG]
>>>
>>> Thanks again - my Mercian is embarrassingly pretty, and received 
>>> blue titanium fasteners everywhere I could use them, along with blue 
>>> Paul 
>>> Moons and Gino.  
>>> Instead of a brak

[RBW] 31.8 clamp FD recs

[Brenton Eastman]

Hi y'all,

I'm going to run a 46/36/26 Sugino XD2 triple on my Roadini and want a 
classy front derailleur.

I was looking at Ultegra/105/DA models ending in XX03 and there are so 
many! I was reading that they are shaped more to match the curve of 
53/39/30, but does that really matter outside of aesthetics? Should I 
consider a mountain triple instead?

Any recommendations or advice is welcome!

Thanks, Brent

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini Feedback

[eddietheflay]

Crust Malocchio. Real lugs, real lightweight tubing, decent clearance. Some 
things in its favor. Definitely not the looker that most Rivs are and 
without sloping top tube = good or not so? We could put some blocks on my 
pedals and you could try it.

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:05:49 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> The A Homer Hilsen comes with an 80mm drop, which could be one reason you 
> like it over the Roadini. But the Hilsen probably won't fit in my travel 
> bike box.
>
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024, 17:54 Stephen Durfee  wrote:
>
>> Chris - I got my Roadini just over a year ago, a complete bike purchased 
>> from a CL listing in South Carolina that I had shipped to Napa. I wanted a 
>> RIv so bad, and a "road bike" in particular, but was (perhaps like you), 
>> hoping to save a few bucks on a pre-owned model. I had previously visited 
>> HQ and talked with Will, who acknowledged that I was on the cusp between 54 
>> and 57, and that either could be a good fit...I later concluded that I 
>> should have gone with the larger size - the one I got was a 54 in "Old 
>> Blue", an earlier model which would not accept the larger tire size that 
>> the newer models do.  I liked the bike well enough that I considered 
>> investing in a brand new frame (that Gold is hot!) but also realized that I 
>> didn't love the components that came with that bike in the first place.  
>> And so, since I would have been essentially starting from scratch,  it 
>> didn't take much convincing to grab that Homer frame that came up locally, 
>> and then build it up with the parts that I wanted. Now I have a bike that I 
>> love, love, love, in a size that fits!  I kept it lean, with some Noodles 
>> and 33mm Jack Browns, no racks and only a spare tire tool kit. The Roadini 
>> felt good, but the Homer feels great! And while I'm the first to 
>> acknowledge that I know nothing about BB drop, or could comment on 
>> flexiness, or even know how much it weighs...I feel fast when I'm on it. 
>>
>> If in your heart, you want an orange 50, I'd say just wait. But you're 
>> close enough to Walnut Creek to go have a spin on a new bike and see what 
>> you think. The newsletter that came out today says they discovered one Gold 
>> 50 in stock...
>>
>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:23:50 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> It's way more flexy/comfy than my Custom Ti bike, which friends already 
>>> claim is flexy and comfy when they ride it (and which flexes like crazy 
>>> when I attach a trailer to it). It's overbuilt for me @ 145 pounds. If I 
>>> was 160 pounds I wouldn't consider it over built, and if I was 200 pounds I 
>>> still wouldn't expect to break it. My big complaint is that I don't 
>>> consider 75mm BB drop to be sufficient for 30mm tires on the road. I want 
>>> 80mm or 85mm drop for a bike built for modern style giant tires where you 
>>> wouldn't expect to ride anything smaller than 700x30.
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:19:37 AM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I guess that's my concern is I'm not looking for a gravel bike.. I'm 
 looking for a zippy (fast-ish) road bike that will take larger tires.. 
 Also,  one of my main concerns is the bike will be overbuilt, meaning the 
 tubes will be heavy enough that it won't flex enough to be comfy.. 

 Thoughts? 

 On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:15:25 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have about 1300 miles on my Roadini: 
> https://blog.piaw.net/2023/05/rivendell-roadini-1000-mile-review.html. 
> With 700x28mm tires it feels as fast as any bike I've ridden that's not 
> built to be ultralight. I built mine up to be around 20 pounds with 
> pedals, 
> bottle cage and pump but no toolkit or water bottle. I could have 
> probably 
> shaved another pound off with Jon Neugent's 1430g wheels. Having said 
> that, 
> it doesn't beat my custom Ti touring bike built based on the 1993 
> Bridgestone RB-1 geometry on climbs up hills or stability on descents 
> (the 
> higher BB on the Roadini is to blame). What I do find is that with 38mm 
> tires it is an excellent gravel bike and I have no issues taking it down 
> single track  trails that others would consider MTB trails. The Tektro 
> 559s 
> outperform any disc brakes I've ever found and never make noise (unlike 
> any 
> disc brakes I've ever ridden).
>
> I did buy another 50cm Roadini to build up for my son when he's tall 
> enough to ride it (which won't take a year), so that tells you that I 
> think 
> it's the best general purpose bike in the Rivendell stable. The bike is 
> so 
> versatile I wouldn't hesitate to take it anywhere except a dedicated 
> downhill MTB park.
> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:54:56 AM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Howdy all,
>>
>> So I realize I'm posting this on the RBW list, so there is bound to 
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini Feedback

[藍俊彪]

The big minus behind the crust is that they messed up the manufacturing so
it takes different brakes front and rear which is bizarre. Even more
bizarre is that it requires smaller tires on the back than on the front.
Unless you pay to have someone move the brake bridge (and then do the
repaint) that kind of stuff would always be nagging at the back of my mind
and cause me not to enjoy the bike.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 7:14 PM eddietheflay  wrote:

> Crust Malocchio. Real lugs, real lightweight tubing, decent clearance.
> Some things in its favor. Definitely not the looker that most Rivs are and
> without sloping top tube = good or not so? We could put some blocks on my
> pedals and you could try it.
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:05:49 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The A Homer Hilsen comes with an 80mm drop, which could be one reason you
>> like it over the Roadini. But the Hilsen probably won't fit in my travel
>> bike box.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024, 17:54 Stephen Durfee  wrote:
>>
>>> Chris - I got my Roadini just over a year ago, a complete bike purchased
>>> from a CL listing in South Carolina that I had shipped to Napa. I wanted a
>>> RIv so bad, and a "road bike" in particular, but was (perhaps like you),
>>> hoping to save a few bucks on a pre-owned model. I had previously visited
>>> HQ and talked with Will, who acknowledged that I was on the cusp between 54
>>> and 57, and that either could be a good fit...I later concluded that I
>>> should have gone with the larger size - the one I got was a 54 in "Old
>>> Blue", an earlier model which would not accept the larger tire size that
>>> the newer models do.  I liked the bike well enough that I considered
>>> investing in a brand new frame (that Gold is hot!) but also realized that I
>>> didn't love the components that came with that bike in the first place.
>>> And so, since I would have been essentially starting from scratch,  it
>>> didn't take much convincing to grab that Homer frame that came up locally,
>>> and then build it up with the parts that I wanted. Now I have a bike that I
>>> love, love, love, in a size that fits!  I kept it lean, with some Noodles
>>> and 33mm Jack Browns, no racks and only a spare tire tool kit. The Roadini
>>> felt good, but the Homer feels great! And while I'm the first to
>>> acknowledge that I know nothing about BB drop, or could comment on
>>> flexiness, or even know how much it weighs...I feel fast when I'm on it.
>>>
>>> If in your heart, you want an orange 50, I'd say just wait. But you're
>>> close enough to Walnut Creek to go have a spin on a new bike and see what
>>> you think. The newsletter that came out today says they discovered one Gold
>>> 50 in stock...
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:23:50 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 It's way more flexy/comfy than my Custom Ti bike, which friends already
 claim is flexy and comfy when they ride it (and which flexes like crazy
 when I attach a trailer to it). It's overbuilt for me @ 145 pounds. If I
 was 160 pounds I wouldn't consider it over built, and if I was 200 pounds I
 still wouldn't expect to break it. My big complaint is that I don't
 consider 75mm BB drop to be sufficient for 30mm tires on the road. I want
 80mm or 85mm drop for a bike built for modern style giant tires where you
 wouldn't expect to ride anything smaller than 700x30.

 On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:19:37 AM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com wrote:

> I guess that's my concern is I'm not looking for a gravel bike.. I'm
> looking for a zippy (fast-ish) road bike that will take larger tires..
> Also,  one of my main concerns is the bike will be overbuilt, meaning the
> tubes will be heavy enough that it won't flex enough to be comfy..
>
> Thoughts?
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:15:25 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have about 1300 miles on my Roadini:
>> https://blog.piaw.net/2023/05/rivendell-roadini-1000-mile-review.html.
>> With 700x28mm tires it feels as fast as any bike I've ridden that's not
>> built to be ultralight. I built mine up to be around 20 pounds with 
>> pedals,
>> bottle cage and pump but no toolkit or water bottle. I could have 
>> probably
>> shaved another pound off with Jon Neugent's 1430g wheels. Having said 
>> that,
>> it doesn't beat my custom Ti touring bike built based on the 1993
>> Bridgestone RB-1 geometry on climbs up hills or stability on descents 
>> (the
>> higher BB on the Roadini is to blame). What I do find is that with 38mm
>> tires it is an excellent gravel bike and I have no issues taking it down
>> single track  trails that others would consider MTB trails. The Tektro 
>> 559s
>> outperform any disc brakes I've ever found and never make noise (unlike 
>> any
>> disc brakes I've ever ridden).
>>
>> I did buy another 50cm Roadini to build up for my son when h

Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Winter 2023-2024 Ride Photos

[Eric Marth]

Nice pics everyone, always enjoy these threads!

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 11:30:37 AM UTC-5 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> [image: IMG_2831.jpeg]
>
> Here’s a snapshot from this morning’s ride. Can’t resist stopping at the 
> CalTech campus because of the variety in architecture. 
>
> New Leo is fully dialed in. Such a joy to ride. 
>
>
> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 1:28:31 PM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Paul & old pal, Rich. I appreciate the kind words. This all 
>> brings me great joy. 
>>
>> Jock 
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 7:05 AM 'Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Jock Dewey, That bike is a vision of the perfectly proportioned bicycle 
>>> in my opinion. Uncluttered, though there is a place for utilitarian racks, 
>>> bags, etc. on bikes for other uses than the pure joy of riding. A lot of 
>>> thought went into it, obviously, from the quietly understated color to the 
>>> wheels, fenders, even the Acorn bag!  (Great backdrop too! How about a 
>>> "Dewey bikes" calendar in 2025?)
>>> Paul Germain
>>> Midlothian, Va.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 10:58:49 AM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>>
 Here’s CA winter yesterday…grey day by the bay. 

 Jock



 On Mon, Jan 1, 2024 at 2:04 PM Ted Durant  wrote:

> Well, I guess I'm back up for starting the thread.
>
> We haven't had much winter weather here, meaning no real snow, yet. A 
> couple of days ago we had a beautiful, sunny day, temps around 40, and 
> (for 
> us) not a lot of wind. I took advantage and did the 
> round-the-city-mostly-bike-paths loop. This is on the Hank Aaron trail. 
> American Family Field isn't seeing much use these days, but it's just a 
> handful of weeks before pitchers and catchers report down south.
> [image: IMG_1825.jpeg]
>
> A bit more blustery and a bit of sleet yesterday, but I managed to 
> sneak in a bit of a ride. Today pal Kurt and I did a 100km effort. 
> Forecast 
> was for temps around 30 and some sunshine. You can see how that turned 
> out. 
> I'll take 100km on 1/1, though! Kurt's riding his Gunnar Sport. I bet 
> that 
> bike has over 30,000 kms on it, including an epic 200km on a bitter cold 
> January 31st, to get him an R-12 just under the wire.
> [image: IMG_1829.jpeg]
>
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini Feedback

[eddietheflay]

I have the same brakes front and rear and there is no issue with 35mm 
tires. The OP wants a quick road bike so he'd  be fine too.

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 7:21:46 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> The big minus behind the crust is that they messed up the manufacturing so 
> it takes different brakes front and rear which is bizarre. Even more 
> bizarre is that it requires smaller tires on the back than on the front. 
> Unless you pay to have someone move the brake bridge (and then do the 
> repaint) that kind of stuff would always be nagging at the back of my mind 
> and cause me not to enjoy the bike.
>
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 7:14 PM eddietheflay  wrote:
>
>> Crust Malocchio. Real lugs, real lightweight tubing, decent clearance. 
>> Some things in its favor. Definitely not the looker that most Rivs are and 
>> without sloping top tube = good or not so? We could put some blocks on my 
>> pedals and you could try it.
>>
>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:05:49 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> The A Homer Hilsen comes with an 80mm drop, which could be one reason 
>>> you like it over the Roadini. But the Hilsen probably won't fit in my 
>>> travel bike box.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024, 17:54 Stephen Durfee  wrote:
>>>
 Chris - I got my Roadini just over a year ago, a complete bike 
 purchased from a CL listing in South Carolina that I had shipped to Napa. 
 I 
 wanted a RIv so bad, and a "road bike" in particular, but was (perhaps 
 like 
 you), hoping to save a few bucks on a pre-owned model. I had previously 
 visited HQ and talked with Will, who acknowledged that I was on the cusp 
 between 54 and 57, and that either could be a good fit...I later concluded 
 that I should have gone with the larger size - the one I got was a 54 in 
 "Old Blue", an earlier model which would not accept the larger tire size 
 that the newer models do.  I liked the bike well enough that I considered 
 investing in a brand new frame (that Gold is hot!) but also realized that 
 I 
 didn't love the components that came with that bike in the first place.  
 And so, since I would have been essentially starting from scratch,  it 
 didn't take much convincing to grab that Homer frame that came up locally, 
 and then build it up with the parts that I wanted. Now I have a bike that 
 I 
 love, love, love, in a size that fits!  I kept it lean, with some Noodles 
 and 33mm Jack Browns, no racks and only a spare tire tool kit. The Roadini 
 felt good, but the Homer feels great! And while I'm the first to 
 acknowledge that I know nothing about BB drop, or could comment on 
 flexiness, or even know how much it weighs...I feel fast when I'm on it. 

 If in your heart, you want an orange 50, I'd say just wait. But you're 
 close enough to Walnut Creek to go have a spin on a new bike and see what 
 you think. The newsletter that came out today says they discovered one 
 Gold 
 50 in stock...

 On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:23:50 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> It's way more flexy/comfy than my Custom Ti bike, which friends 
> already claim is flexy and comfy when they ride it (and which flexes like 
> crazy when I attach a trailer to it). It's overbuilt for me @ 145 pounds. 
> If I was 160 pounds I wouldn't consider it over built, and if I was 200 
> pounds I still wouldn't expect to break it. My big complaint is that I 
> don't consider 75mm BB drop to be sufficient for 30mm tires on the road. 
> I 
> want 80mm or 85mm drop for a bike built for modern style giant tires 
> where 
> you wouldn't expect to ride anything smaller than 700x30.
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:19:37 AM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I guess that's my concern is I'm not looking for a gravel bike.. I'm 
>> looking for a zippy (fast-ish) road bike that will take larger tires.. 
>> Also,  one of my main concerns is the bike will be overbuilt, meaning 
>> the 
>> tubes will be heavy enough that it won't flex enough to be comfy.. 
>>
>> Thoughts? 
>>
>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:15:25 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I have about 1300 miles on my Roadini: 
>>> https://blog.piaw.net/2023/05/rivendell-roadini-1000-mile-review.html. 
>>> With 700x28mm tires it feels as fast as any bike I've ridden that's not 
>>> built to be ultralight. I built mine up to be around 20 pounds with 
>>> pedals, 
>>> bottle cage and pump but no toolkit or water bottle. I could have 
>>> probably 
>>> shaved another pound off with Jon Neugent's 1430g wheels. Having said 
>>> that, 
>>> it doesn't beat my custom Ti touring bike built based on the 1993 
>>> Bridgestone RB-1 geometry on climbs up hills or stability on descents 
>>> (the 
>>> higher BB on the Roadini is to blame). Wha

Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Decaleur

[Steve]

Ron, thanks for sharing. Just as I suspected, that is one beautiful 
Raleigh!  I love the attitude the mustache bar with the Acorn rando bag 
lend the bike. 

Nicely done fender install - especially on a frame not designed with 
fenders in mind. I have too agree with you regarding Honjos. I recently 
installed a 650b set of 62mm smooths on my Platypus. They are superb.


On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:31:08 PM UTC-5 Ron Mc wrote:

> Hi Steve, 700c.  
> I've passed buying fender kits, and like the Honjo blanks from Jitensha, 
> so I can drill all my own holes.  
> [image: M0u2TGP.jpg]
>
> I'm also a junkie for Paul Moons with CP brakes.  You can take the wheels 
> off, squeeze the caliper and removed the straddle cable, which lets you 
> remove brake levers to wrap a bar without replacing or even adjusting a 
> brake cable.  
> [image: O10B0QK.jpg] [image: FPidPyH.jpg] [image: BDK1H7W.jpg]
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 8:17:02 PM UTC-6 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ron, I'm just now catching up with your thread. Let me say if I may  - 
>> you have put together some exceptional builds. I'm intrigued by the Raleigh 
>> - that is a Raleigh International? Judging from the placement of the brake 
>> pads and the presence of fenders I'm guessing you've built it as a 650b 
>> conversion. I'd love to see a bit more of it. 
>>
>> I have a soft spot for old Raleighs - an early 1970s Gran Sport was the 
>> second bicycle I purchased for myself, happily replacing a stolen Schwinn 
>> Varsity.  I lusted for a Professional, but only had the coin for the GS 
>> back in my student days. 
>>
>> Steve in Asheville, NC
>>
>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 3:59:20 PM UTC-5 Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> John, one more thing while I'm thinking about it.  
>>> The F106 opens from the bottom front toward the rear - what I wanted to 
>>> add, it doesn't have a tombstone sleeve.  
>>> It takes some creative strapping to secure it to a front rack - and 
>>> again, I'm delighted with it on this bike and for this use.  
>>> [image: a4P4250002.JPG] [image: a4P4250006.JPG] [image: a4P5060004.JPG]
>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
>>>

 Hi John, yes, that's the F106 - it must be the biggest front bag out 
 there.  

 It otherwise opens backwards, but works well in this configuration.  
 The decaleur replaced those red straps and provides much more overall 
 support.  

 [image: P1160004 (2).JPG]

 This is my bike-fish bike - can pedal it to county road crossings with 
 moratorium on parking cars - roll it into the flood plain sendero, cafe 
 lock to a tree - you're out of the county right of way and into state 
 navigation rights.  Also take it every winter to Laguna Atascosa NWR - 
 98,000 acres along Cayo and Laguna Madre shores - it all belongs to bikes 
 and ocelots - the macadam was closed to motors 15 years ago.  
 All bike items are in the saddlebag, especially fold-up tire and a gang 
 of tubes, all repair items - also, a fishing bag will strap on the Ostrich 
 S-2 saddlebag using the built-in straps.  

 I have 3 rods that will fit in the half-frame bag, 6-pc fly rod, Smith 
 telescoping stream trout casting, and Legit Design 5-pc inshore casting.  
 The massive front bag will carry boots with extra room, or snugs a 15-l 
 Ice Mule with a 6-pack.  
 The front bag also expands upward, and can keep a redfish catch chilled 
 in the open ice mule.  

 something else to show on the S-2 saddlebag, it has a bottom sleeve 
 that fits Nitto Erlen bag support literally like a glove.  
 The Erlen bag support stacks on seat rails.  
 [image: aP1160004.JPG]

 On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 1:11:36 PM UTC-6 John Bokman wrote:

> Ron, I haven't seen an Ostrich bag like yours. Is this a F-106? Does 
> the lid open away from you or toward you when riding? 
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:12:01 AM UTC-8 Ron Mc wrote:
>
>> Here's the result with the new decaleur on my 15-l Ostrich front bag 
>> on Viner gravel bike - rock solid
>>
>> [image: a7PB030002.JPG]
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 12:10:01 PM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Rich, 
>>> They're like sapphires all over the bike.  
>>> There are a few choices for the titanium, Wanyifa sells on Amazon 
>>> and Ali Express; ebay seller Great Gears, and automotive shops like 
>>> Acer 
>>> and ProBolt.  
>>> For the brake bolts, I went to the quality automotive shops, for the 
>>> trim parts, was happy with Amazon delivery.  
>>> [image: a4P3120003.JPG]  [image: a4P3120005.JPG]
>>> Seatpost clamp bolt from Germany.  
>>> Also found a couple of Rocky Mountain vendors with titanium bottle 
>>> cage.  
>>> [image: a4P3120011.JPG]  [image: 4P9080004.JPG]
>>>
>>> I started this nonsense when I 

Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Decaleur

[Steve]

Ron, thanks for sharing. Just as I suspected, that is one beautiful 
Raleigh!  I love the attitude the mustache bar with the Acorn rando bag 
lend the bike. 

Nicely done fender install - especially on a frame not designed with 
fenders in mind. I have to agree with you regarding Honjos. I recently 
installed a 650b set of 62mm smooths on my Platypus. They are superb.

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:31:08 PM UTC-5 Ron Mc wrote:

> Hi Steve, 700c.  
> I've passed buying fender kits, and like the Honjo blanks from Jitensha, 
> so I can drill all my own holes.  
> [image: M0u2TGP.jpg]
>
> I'm also a junkie for Paul Moons with CP brakes.  You can take the wheels 
> off, squeeze the caliper and removed the straddle cable, which lets you 
> remove brake levers to wrap a bar without replacing or even adjusting a 
> brake cable.  
> [image: O10B0QK.jpg] [image: FPidPyH.jpg] [image: BDK1H7W.jpg]
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 8:17:02 PM UTC-6 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ron, I'm just now catching up with your thread. Let me say if I may  - 
>> you have put together some exceptional builds. I'm intrigued by the Raleigh 
>> - that is a Raleigh International? Judging from the placement of the brake 
>> pads and the presence of fenders I'm guessing you've built it as a 650b 
>> conversion. I'd love to see a bit more of it. 
>>
>> I have a soft spot for old Raleighs - an early 1970s Gran Sport was the 
>> second bicycle I purchased for myself, happily replacing a stolen Schwinn 
>> Varsity.  I lusted for a Professional, but only had the coin for the GS 
>> back in my student days. 
>>
>> Steve in Asheville, NC
>>
>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 3:59:20 PM UTC-5 Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> John, one more thing while I'm thinking about it.  
>>> The F106 opens from the bottom front toward the rear - what I wanted to 
>>> add, it doesn't have a tombstone sleeve.  
>>> It takes some creative strapping to secure it to a front rack - and 
>>> again, I'm delighted with it on this bike and for this use.  
>>> [image: a4P4250002.JPG] [image: a4P4250006.JPG] [image: a4P5060004.JPG]
>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
>>>

 Hi John, yes, that's the F106 - it must be the biggest front bag out 
 there.  

 It otherwise opens backwards, but works well in this configuration.  
 The decaleur replaced those red straps and provides much more overall 
 support.  

 [image: P1160004 (2).JPG]

 This is my bike-fish bike - can pedal it to county road crossings with 
 moratorium on parking cars - roll it into the flood plain sendero, cafe 
 lock to a tree - you're out of the county right of way and into state 
 navigation rights.  Also take it every winter to Laguna Atascosa NWR - 
 98,000 acres along Cayo and Laguna Madre shores - it all belongs to bikes 
 and ocelots - the macadam was closed to motors 15 years ago.  
 All bike items are in the saddlebag, especially fold-up tire and a gang 
 of tubes, all repair items - also, a fishing bag will strap on the Ostrich 
 S-2 saddlebag using the built-in straps.  

 I have 3 rods that will fit in the half-frame bag, 6-pc fly rod, Smith 
 telescoping stream trout casting, and Legit Design 5-pc inshore casting.  
 The massive front bag will carry boots with extra room, or snugs a 15-l 
 Ice Mule with a 6-pack.  
 The front bag also expands upward, and can keep a redfish catch chilled 
 in the open ice mule.  

 something else to show on the S-2 saddlebag, it has a bottom sleeve 
 that fits Nitto Erlen bag support literally like a glove.  
 The Erlen bag support stacks on seat rails.  
 [image: aP1160004.JPG]

 On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 1:11:36 PM UTC-6 John Bokman wrote:

> Ron, I haven't seen an Ostrich bag like yours. Is this a F-106? Does 
> the lid open away from you or toward you when riding? 
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:12:01 AM UTC-8 Ron Mc wrote:
>
>> Here's the result with the new decaleur on my 15-l Ostrich front bag 
>> on Viner gravel bike - rock solid
>>
>> [image: a7PB030002.JPG]
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 12:10:01 PM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Rich, 
>>> They're like sapphires all over the bike.  
>>> There are a few choices for the titanium, Wanyifa sells on Amazon 
>>> and Ali Express; ebay seller Great Gears, and automotive shops like 
>>> Acer 
>>> and ProBolt.  
>>> For the brake bolts, I went to the quality automotive shops, for the 
>>> trim parts, was happy with Amazon delivery.  
>>> [image: a4P3120003.JPG]  [image: a4P3120005.JPG]
>>> Seatpost clamp bolt from Germany.  
>>> Also found a couple of Rocky Mountain vendors with titanium bottle 
>>> cage.  
>>> [image: a4P3120011.JPG]  [image: 4P9080004.JPG]
>>>
>>> I started this nonsense when I wa

Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Decaleur

[Ron Mc]

Thanks again, Steve - this is my longest-term bike, and the baseline for 
measurements any time I build a bike.  
It's cozy beyond words.  Great aero position on the moustache bar, and the 
wide reach gives you excellent control.  

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Re: [RBW] WTB: 57cm Appaloosa

[Trevor Oleniuk]

Giving this a wee bump for the new year!

On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 12:18:12 PM UTC-6 Matthew Williams wrote:

> FS: Appaloosa 57cm Purple 
> 
> groups.google.com 
> 
> [image: groups_32dp.png] 
>  
> 
>
>
>
> On Nov 23, 2023, at 7:43 PM, 'Ken Geel' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Looking for the same, preferably in Silver. Have 59cm Atlantis, but it’s a 
> little too big
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 23, 2023, at 10:02 PM, Trevor Oleniuk  wrote:
>
> I am starting to think of a new build for 2024. A 57cm Appaloosa seems 
> like the ticket.
>
> I am looking for something that is in decent shape (no dents, cracks, 
> bends, etc.) and am not necessarily picky on colour. A light blue one or 
> orange could be cool. A green one could be cool? 
>
> I am only needing frame/fork/headset/seatpost. I might be interested in 
> other components if you have them, but I am mostly looking for a budget 
> build.
>
> My biggest goal is to find something reasonable in price. You must also be 
> willing to ship to Canada. Bonus points if you're also in Canada.
>
> Hit me up if you've got what I'm after.
>
> Thanks,
> Trevor
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