[RBW] wtb (2) Tallux or equilivant

[Bernard Duhon]

Need 2 Tallux stems 24.5 or equilivant with shims.
Newer & uglier threaded stems that provide 80-100mm reach with 90-110 degree 
rise will do.
1 Silver  & 1 black preferred but not a deal killer.

Thanks folks








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[RBW] Re: short brake pads on v brakes

[Brian McDermott]

I have, they suck. They are supposed to be a plug and play install, no 
toe-in. They accomplish the desired purpose of not having to deflate the 
tire to remove the wheel, but I couldn't get them to not squeal or vibrate 
to the point that my headlight was cutting out. I tried sanding them, and 
even gently took some sandpaper to my brake track, which worked for about 
five brakings then it went right back to squealing like a banshee. 
Frustratingly just put my stock pads back on and deal with letting out air 
when the wheel needs to be removed. 

On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 8:58:40 PM UTC-5 ber...@bernardduhon.com 
wrote:

>  
>
>  
>
> Has anyone tried these short brake pads on v brakes 
>
> Sanity Brake Pads: Stubby V-Brake Pads that don’t make you deflate you – 
> Rivendell Bicycle Works (rivbike.com) 
> 
>
> They are supposed to allow removal of wheel without deflating tire, 
> without affecting braking power 
>
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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa 57cm Purple

[Brian McDermott]

Are you the guy with the ebay listing at like $2500, even though the frame 
is $1750 new?

On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 7:36:06 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Yes, and therein hangs a tale.
>
> My plan was (and still is) to ride the Pacific Coast Highway (CA-1) from 
> San Francisco to San Diego. I bought the purple frameset to build a 
> touring bike with parts I’ve been collecting over the years. 
>
> Then I found a used bike with exactly the build I wanted.
>
> Then the transmission in my work truck died, so this project and trip are 
> on hold for the forseeable future. Bleh.
>
>
>
> On Nov 20, 2023, at 3:25 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Matthew
>
> Is there a backstory for why you aren't opening the box and giving it a 
> try?  Did you have a change of heart?  Or a financial need cropped up?  Or 
> you found a used one, and don't need two?  
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 3:00:09 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Bump! All reasonable offers considered.
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 30, 2023, at 6:24 PM, Matthew Williams  
>> wrote:
>> > 
>> > Hi everyone, for sale is a new-in-the-box Appaloosa frameset:
>> > 
>> > 57cm
>> > Purple
>> > New in the box. Box is still sealed.
>> > $1911.88, exactly what I paid.
>> > Pay via Zelle
>> > 
>> > I bought it new from RBW but never built it up or took it out of the 
>> box. 
>> > 
>> > Local pickup in Berkeley: free!
>> > 
>> > Points beyond: buyer arranges, pays, and assumes all liability for 
>> shipping.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>>
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[RBW] A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

I think I learned what N + 1 syndrome is I have two very lovely bikes, 
and Atlantis and a Platypus. Between the two I have been able to do most of 
the kind of riding I can dream of. Chase around my kid on the Atlantis 
which is built up as an all rounder (Because I had only road bikes and I 
have a kid who can't stay away from dirt and gravel). I have been taking my 
Platypus out on club rides which has been working out fine... until I 
started to have aspirations to try out some of these rides that involve a 
lot of hills... so of course I decided to buy A Homer that I would like to 
build up specifically for rides with lots of hills! (To clarify, I am 
totally happy to take my time getting up hills on my Platypus which I have 
set up with racks and bags, fenders... but I like to ride with other people 
which are usually people with traditional road bikes with all the carbon 
fiber things). 

So I would love some guidance on setting up the gearing, and handlebar 
types, and random suggestions on how to do a lighter build. I know weight 
isn't the most important thing... but I can for sure tell a difference when 
I run up and down the stairs at the BART station with my Platypus when I 
have it laden with all the things vs when I first got it... and I love it 
now with all the things... so of course another bike, n + 1 is the answer. 

I've been considering the Wide Low double (38 x 24).

I use the Billie Bars, and Albatross bars on my other bikes... am I missing 
out on anything by not considering other options? (I have a shoulder that 
sometimes misbehaves so drop bars have not been my friend). 

I am open to bikesplaining.


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Re: [RBW] A Homer Hill build....

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I take the triple weight penalty because I like my 48 chainring on the
flats and my 24 chainring for the really steep stuff or when I’m tired.

I keep it slightly lighter by using a 28 cassette in the rear.

I use an Albastache, which may not be as upright as your other bars. It’s
worth considering.

My other thought is to use nice tires. I would use Grand Bois Lierre EL or
the Compass equivalent or Parimoto 38 mm.

My final thought is why not a Roadini? That’s what I would do if it’s
mostly pavement. (Piaw rides his almost? everywhere.)

Have fun,
Toshi in Oaktown


On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 6:27 AM Sarah Carlson 
wrote:

> I think I learned what N + 1 syndrome is I have two very lovely bikes,
> and Atlantis and a Platypus. Between the two I have been able to do most of
> the kind of riding I can dream of. Chase around my kid on the Atlantis
> which is built up as an all rounder (Because I had only road bikes and I
> have a kid who can't stay away from dirt and gravel). I have been taking my
> Platypus out on club rides which has been working out fine... until I
> started to have aspirations to try out some of these rides that involve a
> lot of hills... so of course I decided to buy A Homer that I would like to
> build up specifically for rides with lots of hills! (To clarify, I am
> totally happy to take my time getting up hills on my Platypus which I have
> set up with racks and bags, fenders... but I like to ride with other people
> which are usually people with traditional road bikes with all the carbon
> fiber things).
>
> So I would love some guidance on setting up the gearing, and handlebar
> types, and random suggestions on how to do a lighter build. I know weight
> isn't the most important thing... but I can for sure tell a difference when
> I run up and down the stairs at the BART station with my Platypus when I
> have it laden with all the things vs when I first got it... and I love it
> now with all the things... so of course another bike, n + 1 is the answer.
>
> I've been considering the Wide Low double (38 x 24).
>
> I use the Billie Bars, and Albatross bars on my other bikes... am I
> missing out on anything by not considering other options? (I have a
> shoulder that sometimes misbehaves so drop bars have not been my friend).
>
> I am open to bikesplaining.
>
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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Steve]

An Albastache with drop bar levers?   
I'm sure some Homer riders will chime in with their thoughts, but I've 
found that mustache style bars can strike a happy compromise between swept 
back designs and drop bars. The trick I think is to get the height and 
reach dialed in so they provide both a comfortable, somewhat upright-ish 
cruising position when on the ends, and a lower stretched out aero-ish 
position when out on the bends & brake lever hoods. I've found they work 
best for me with a much shorter stem than I would have expected.  

I'd think a 24t chain ring, if coupled with an 11-34 or 11-32 rear cassette 
would give you a sufficiently low "granny gear" for big climbs, but I 
wonder if you'd wind up spinning out the 38 x 11 high gear. I run a VO 
triple on my Platypus with a 44-34-24 crank and an 8 speed 11-34 on the 
back. I'm definitely a 'party pace' sort of rider, but often find myself 
shifting onto the 44t chain ring. 

Not to distract you from your plan...but would a Roadini be a better choice 
for club rides?  Whatever you settle on, have fun with your N+1 bike 
build!!!


On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 9:27:06 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I think I learned what N + 1 syndrome is I have two very lovely bikes, 
> and Atlantis and a Platypus. Between the two I have been able to do most of 
> the kind of riding I can dream of. Chase around my kid on the Atlantis 
> which is built up as an all rounder (Because I had only road bikes and I 
> have a kid who can't stay away from dirt and gravel). I have been taking my 
> Platypus out on club rides which has been working out fine... until I 
> started to have aspirations to try out some of these rides that involve a 
> lot of hills... so of course I decided to buy A Homer that I would like to 
> build up specifically for rides with lots of hills! (To clarify, I am 
> totally happy to take my time getting up hills on my Platypus which I have 
> set up with racks and bags, fenders... but I like to ride with other people 
> which are usually people with traditional road bikes with all the carbon 
> fiber things). 
>
> So I would love some guidance on setting up the gearing, and handlebar 
> types, and random suggestions on how to do a lighter build. I know weight 
> isn't the most important thing... but I can for sure tell a difference when 
> I run up and down the stairs at the BART station with my Platypus when I 
> have it laden with all the things vs when I first got it... and I love it 
> now with all the things... so of course another bike, n + 1 is the answer. 
>
> I've been considering the Wide Low double (38 x 24).
>
> I use the Billie Bars, and Albatross bars on my other bikes... am I 
> missing out on anything by not considering other options? (I have a 
> shoulder that sometimes misbehaves so drop bars have not been my friend). 
>
> I am open to bikesplaining.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Best mitten design for very cold weather

[Frakern]

I have trouble with cold hands too. If you have upright handlebars, I'd 
suggest trying the handlebar covers that Blue Lug sells. Takes a bit of 
time to get used to look, but they keep my hands super warm to the point 
that I don't usually need gloves. 



On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 2:44:57 PM UTC+9 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I bought a pair of size Large Guide Gear leather mittens with light fleece 
> lining and inner wool mitten, sub $40. The wool mitten is thin, not at all 
> like the heavy, almost felted wool mittens with my first pair of OR 
> nylon/wool combo, but the OR combination was really too warm for my needs. 
> The leather is good quality and supple, the stitching looks good, and they 
> are labeled "waterproof." I daresay that the lining will wear but I wanted 
> these for the leather outer mitts which are large enough to wear over not 
> only the accompanying wool mittens but my lighter-weight lined leather 
> gloves (ex Bundeswehr!) and they will even fit over those little-used Pearl 
> Izumi size L lobster mitts I'm trying to sell without crowding the ends of 
> fingers or thumb.
>
> I wish they covered more of my wrists but anything I wear under them will 
> be longer on the wrist. 
>
> Come to think of it, those very thick and dense OR wool under-mittens 
> would probably have served as well as these lined leather sheaths, but I 
> expect I'll prefer the leather for a better grip on the bar.
>
> Those PI lobsters + OR nylon over mittens (no wool undermittens) + Finnish 
> army surplus gun mittens still FS: all now $70 shipped CONUS.
>
> On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 2:15 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> The fall style thread raises a question about keeping your hands warm in 
>> very cold temperatures (for me, very cold means in the teens F). My fingers 
>> are very sensitive to the cold. I've bought 2 or 3 pairs of PI Lobster 
>> gloves but I've been disappointed in the fit and the warmth. 
>>
>> I've used Outdoor Research heavy nylon mitten sheaths with thick boiled 
>> wool mittens underneath, and those were very warm indeed, but very awkward 
>> to ride in, even on a fixed gear where you have to handle only the brake 
>> levers.
>>
>> Varusteleka currently has a number of mil surplus mittens with separate 
>> thumb, separate thumb and trigger finger, and separate thumb and first 2 
>> fingers. The whole point of mittens is to bundle the fingers together in 
>> one compartment for mutual warmth, so each added finger compartment 
>> sacrifices warmth.
>>
>> Does anyone have thoughts on a glove or a mitten or a system that gives 
>> the best mix of warmth and dexterity? And perhaps some particular gloves or 
>> mittens that fit the bill?
>>
>> Right now, I've got hugely oversized 5-finger gloves under which I can 
>> wear wool knit gloves, under which in turn I can wear silk liners, but this 
>> sort of layer system is cumbersome to put on and take off.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
> -- 
>>
>> -
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>> -
>>
>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing 
>> services.
>>
>>
>> -
>>
>> *When thou didst not, savage,*
>>
>> *Know thine own meaning, but wouldst gabble like*
>>
>> *A thing most brutish, I endowed thy purposes*
>>
>> *With words that made them known.*
>>
>
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[RBW] Re: Best mitten design for very cold weather

[Tim Donner]

I ride in Western Mass, this mornings ride was in the low 20s and these 
have been really toasty for me in temps down into the teens! GORE-TEX 
INFINIUM THERMO SPLIT GLOVES 
.
 
I wear them on my drop bar and swept back bar bikes, with bar end and 
thumbie shifters respectively. I appreciate that they have XXXL, my palms 
are pretty big and this gives a snug yet roomy fit and gives me enough 
dexterity and they aren't super long on my fingers. 
Full price they are spendy but I have seen them on sale for closer to $50 
in the past. 

On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 12:44:57 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I bought a pair of size Large Guide Gear leather mittens with light fleece 
> lining and inner wool mitten, sub $40. The wool mitten is thin, not at all 
> like the heavy, almost felted wool mittens with my first pair of OR 
> nylon/wool combo, but the OR combination was really too warm for my needs. 
> The leather is good quality and supple, the stitching looks good, and they 
> are labeled "waterproof." I daresay that the lining will wear but I wanted 
> these for the leather outer mitts which are large enough to wear over not 
> only the accompanying wool mittens but my lighter-weight lined leather 
> gloves (ex Bundeswehr!) and they will even fit over those little-used Pearl 
> Izumi size L lobster mitts I'm trying to sell without crowding the ends of 
> fingers or thumb.
>
> I wish they covered more of my wrists but anything I wear under them will 
> be longer on the wrist. 
>
> Come to think of it, those very thick and dense OR wool under-mittens 
> would probably have served as well as these lined leather sheaths, but I 
> expect I'll prefer the leather for a better grip on the bar.
>
> Those PI lobsters + OR nylon over mittens (no wool undermittens) + Finnish 
> army surplus gun mittens still FS: all now $70 shipped CONUS.
>
> On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 2:15 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> The fall style thread raises a question about keeping your hands warm in 
>> very cold temperatures (for me, very cold means in the teens F). My fingers 
>> are very sensitive to the cold. I've bought 2 or 3 pairs of PI Lobster 
>> gloves but I've been disappointed in the fit and the warmth. 
>>
>> I've used Outdoor Research heavy nylon mitten sheaths with thick boiled 
>> wool mittens underneath, and those were very warm indeed, but very awkward 
>> to ride in, even on a fixed gear where you have to handle only the brake 
>> levers.
>>
>> Varusteleka currently has a number of mil surplus mittens with separate 
>> thumb, separate thumb and trigger finger, and separate thumb and first 2 
>> fingers. The whole point of mittens is to bundle the fingers together in 
>> one compartment for mutual warmth, so each added finger compartment 
>> sacrifices warmth.
>>
>> Does anyone have thoughts on a glove or a mitten or a system that gives 
>> the best mix of warmth and dexterity? And perhaps some particular gloves or 
>> mittens that fit the bill?
>>
>> Right now, I've got hugely oversized 5-finger gloves under which I can 
>> wear wool knit gloves, under which in turn I can wear silk liners, but this 
>> sort of layer system is cumbersome to put on and take off.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
> -- 
>>
>> -
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>> -
>>
>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing 
>> services.
>>
>>
>> -
>>
>> *When thou didst not, savage,*
>>
>> *Know thine own meaning, but wouldst gabble like*
>>
>> *A thing most brutish, I endowed thy purposes*
>>
>> *With words that made them known.*
>>
>
>
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> -
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>
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>
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>
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>
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Re: [RBW] Susie Longbolts – offload yours on me or talk me out of it?!

[Ryan Ogilvie]

I got a 56 Suz a few months ago and experience aligns with Mack's. Really
versatile--fun on road and trail.

Frame is pretty light, so you could do a minimalist steel frame build. I
have dynamo, cliffhangers, racks, but don't mind the weight.

It is a looong frame. Hard to fit on car racks, trains and that sort
of thing, but also hard to wipe out with those chainstays.

On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 2:05 PM Richard Rose  wrote:

> Coming from a Gus owner who has ridden both; DO IT! For all of the reasons
> mentioned here and more. My Gus is a very capable & comfortable rigid MTB.
> Also a pleasure riding to the trail & superb on gravel. Bikepacking? YES!
> 29 x 2.6 @ 16-18psi (tubeless) and it rolls over everything. It’s just a
> great, fun as hell bike. When I rode a friend’s Susie I really did not
> notice the weight difference. What I can say is the front end might be a
> bit stiffer. Not in a bad way, just very precise. You cannot go wrong.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 20, 2023, at 12:06 PM, Max S  wrote:
>
> 
> Thinking of getting a fatter-tired bike going for casual Zone 2 sorties
> and quiet trail riding. (Mainly need a frame as an excuse to use my idle
> Bullmoose bars... so it goes.)
>
> If you have a Susie, what's your experience been like? Would you recommend
> it and for what? Should I try to find a 56 cm Susie (Riv is out of stock),
> or should I get something else?.. Should I get something custom made
> that'll be lighter?..
>
> - Max "idle lunchtime thoughts on this cool November day while not wanting
> to do any work nor organize my already overflowing bike room" in MI
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Re: [RBW] Susie Longbolts – offload yours on me or talk me out of it?!

[Ryan Ogilvie]

You could also wait for the new batch that's apparently a merging of Suz
and Gus.

On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 2:42 PM Ryan Ogilvie  wrote:

> I got a 56 Suz a few months ago and experience aligns with Mack's. Really
> versatile--fun on road and trail.
>
> Frame is pretty light, so you could do a minimalist steel frame build. I
> have dynamo, cliffhangers, racks, but don't mind the weight.
>
> It is a looong frame. Hard to fit on car racks, trains and that sort
> of thing, but also hard to wipe out with those chainstays.
>
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 2:05 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>
>> Coming from a Gus owner who has ridden both; DO IT! For all of the
>> reasons mentioned here and more. My Gus is a very capable & comfortable
>> rigid MTB. Also a pleasure riding to the trail & superb on gravel.
>> Bikepacking? YES! 29 x 2.6 @ 16-18psi (tubeless) and it rolls over
>> everything. It’s just a great, fun as hell bike. When I rode a friend’s
>> Susie I really did not notice the weight difference. What I can say is the
>> front end might be a bit stiffer. Not in a bad way, just very precise. You
>> cannot go wrong.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 20, 2023, at 12:06 PM, Max S  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Thinking of getting a fatter-tired bike going for casual Zone 2 sorties
>> and quiet trail riding. (Mainly need a frame as an excuse to use my idle
>> Bullmoose bars... so it goes.)
>>
>> If you have a Susie, what's your experience been like? Would you
>> recommend it and for what? Should I try to find a 56 cm Susie (Riv is out
>> of stock), or should I get something else?.. Should I get something custom
>> made that'll be lighter?..
>>
>> - Max "idle lunchtime thoughts on this cool November day while not
>> wanting to do any work nor organize my already overflowing bike room" in MI
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: 55cm Platypus frame or bike

[Ben Compton]

I guess they added some back! all the 55s were definitely sold out last
weekish.

In between sending this email and having it approved to be posted i found a
55 lime olive for sale used and bought it, so im no longer searching, but
good lookin out, thanks!

ben
lexington ky

On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 1:47 PM Johnny Alien 
wrote:

> Riv still has some 55 frames left in purple.
>
> On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 1:15:16 PM UTC-5 bcom...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> hey yall!
>>
>> Sadly I missed out on the Platy presale last month, and I’m searching for
>> a 55cm Platypus frame. Complete bikes are also interesting. So for example
>> if anyone got in on the presale, and has since changed their minds, let me
>> know!
>>
>> thanks
>> Ben
>> in ky
>>
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[RBW] Newer Sam Hillborne/Toyo Atlantis crossover

[exliontamer]

Just curious if anyone has any real world experience with both of these 
bikes, and if so, how similar they feel & ride (aside from obvious 
differences like tire clearance). I have a 61 Atlantis and am looking at a 
60 Hillborne. Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best mitten design for very cold weather

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. No, I use drops exclusively and in any event like to move my hands
around; also, I've got 4 bikes.

On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 10:35 AM Frakern  wrote:

> I have trouble with cold hands too. If you have upright handlebars, I'd
> suggest trying the handlebar covers that Blue Lug sells. Takes a bit of
> time to get used to look, but they keep my hands super warm to the point
> that I don't usually need gloves.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 2:44:57 PM UTC+9 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I bought a pair of size Large Guide Gear leather mittens with light
>> fleece lining and inner wool mitten, sub $40. The wool mitten is thin, not
>> at all like the heavy, almost felted wool mittens with my first pair of OR
>> nylon/wool combo, but the OR combination was really too warm for my needs.
>> The leather is good quality and supple, the stitching looks good, and they
>> are labeled "waterproof." I daresay that the lining will wear but I wanted
>> these for the leather outer mitts which are large enough to wear over not
>> only the accompanying wool mittens but my lighter-weight lined leather
>> gloves (ex Bundeswehr!) and they will even fit over those little-used Pearl
>> Izumi size L lobster mitts I'm trying to sell without crowding the ends of
>> fingers or thumb.
>>
>> I wish they covered more of my wrists but anything I wear under them will
>> be longer on the wrist.
>>
>> Come to think of it, those very thick and dense OR wool under-mittens
>> would probably have served as well as these lined leather sheaths, but I
>> expect I'll prefer the leather for a better grip on the bar.
>>
>> Those PI lobsters + OR nylon over mittens (no wool undermittens) +
>> Finnish army surplus gun mittens still FS: all now $70 shipped CONUS.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 2:15 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> The fall style thread raises a question about keeping your hands warm in
>>> very cold temperatures (for me, very cold means in the teens F). My fingers
>>> are very sensitive to the cold. I've bought 2 or 3 pairs of PI Lobster
>>> gloves but I've been disappointed in the fit and the warmth.
>>>
>>> I've used Outdoor Research heavy nylon mitten sheaths with thick boiled
>>> wool mittens underneath, and those were very warm indeed, but very awkward
>>> to ride in, even on a fixed gear where you have to handle only the brake
>>> levers.
>>>
>>> Varusteleka currently has a number of mil surplus mittens with separate
>>> thumb, separate thumb and trigger finger, and separate thumb and first 2
>>> fingers. The whole point of mittens is to bundle the fingers together in
>>> one compartment for mutual warmth, so each added finger compartment
>>> sacrifices warmth.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have thoughts on a glove or a mitten or a system that gives
>>> the best mix of warmth and dexterity? And perhaps some particular gloves or
>>> mittens that fit the bill?
>>>
>>> Right now, I've got hugely oversized 5-finger gloves under which I can
>>> wear wool knit gloves, under which in turn I can wear silk liners, but this
>>> sort of layer system is cumbersome to put on and take off.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
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>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Best mitten design for very cold weather

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. Those are warmer than PI Lobsters?

I've been trying to sell my lobsters but no response, and I may just keep
them; they'll fit inside the new leather/fleece-lined mittens for very cold
mornings without (apparently; haven't yet ridden with this combo) binding
or squashing.

On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 10:35 AM Tim Donner  wrote:

> I ride in Western Mass, this mornings ride was in the low 20s and these
> have been really toasty for me in temps down into the teens! GORE-TEX
> INFINIUM THERMO SPLIT GLOVES
> .
> I wear them on my drop bar and swept back bar bikes, with bar end and
> thumbie shifters respectively. I appreciate that they have XXXL, my palms
> are pretty big and this gives a snug yet roomy fit and gives me enough
> dexterity and they aren't super long on my fingers.
> Full price they are spendy but I have seen them on sale for closer to $50
> in the past.
>
> On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 12:44:57 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I bought a pair of size Large Guide Gear leather mittens with light
>> fleece lining and inner wool mitten, sub $40. The wool mitten is thin, not
>> at all like the heavy, almost felted wool mittens with my first pair of OR
>> nylon/wool combo, but the OR combination was really too warm for my needs.
>> The leather is good quality and supple, the stitching looks good, and they
>> are labeled "waterproof." I daresay that the lining will wear but I wanted
>> these for the leather outer mitts which are large enough to wear over not
>> only the accompanying wool mittens but my lighter-weight lined leather
>> gloves (ex Bundeswehr!) and they will even fit over those little-used Pearl
>> Izumi size L lobster mitts I'm trying to sell without crowding the ends of
>> fingers or thumb.
>>
>> I wish they covered more of my wrists but anything I wear under them will
>> be longer on the wrist.
>>
>> Come to think of it, those very thick and dense OR wool under-mittens
>> would probably have served as well as these lined leather sheaths, but I
>> expect I'll prefer the leather for a better grip on the bar.
>>
>> Those PI lobsters + OR nylon over mittens (no wool undermittens) +
>> Finnish army surplus gun mittens still FS: all now $70 shipped CONUS.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 2:15 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> The fall style thread raises a question about keeping your hands warm in
>>> very cold temperatures (for me, very cold means in the teens F). My fingers
>>> are very sensitive to the cold. I've bought 2 or 3 pairs of PI Lobster
>>> gloves but I've been disappointed in the fit and the warmth.
>>>
>>> I've used Outdoor Research heavy nylon mitten sheaths with thick boiled
>>> wool mittens underneath, and those were very warm indeed, but very awkward
>>> to ride in, even on a fixed gear where you have to handle only the brake
>>> levers.
>>>
>>> Varusteleka currently has a number of mil surplus mittens with separate
>>> thumb, separate thumb and trigger finger, and separate thumb and first 2
>>> fingers. The whole point of mittens is to bundle the fingers together in
>>> one compartment for mutual warmth, so each added finger compartment
>>> sacrifices warmth.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have thoughts on a glove or a mitten or a system that gives
>>> the best mix of warmth and dexterity? And perhaps some particular gloves or
>>> mittens that fit the bill?
>>>
>>> Right now, I've got hugely oversized 5-finger gloves under which I can
>>> wear wool knit gloves, under which in turn I can wear silk liners, but this
>>> sort of layer system is cumbersome to put on and take off.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>> --
>>>
>>> -
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>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
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>>>
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>>> services.
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> *When thou didst not, savage,*
>>>
>>> *Know thine own meaning, but wouldst gabble like*
>>>
>>> *A thing most brutish, I endowed thy purposes*
>>>
>>> *With words that made them known.*
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: 55cm Platypus frame or bike

[Johnny Alien]

Congrats!!

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 12:36:32 PM UTC-5 bcom...@gmail.com wrote:

> I guess they added some back! all the 55s were definitely sold out last 
> weekish. 
>
> In between sending this email and having it approved to be posted i found 
> a 55 lime olive for sale used and bought it, so im no longer searching, but 
> good lookin out, thanks!
>
> ben
> lexington ky 
>
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 1:47 PM Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
>> Riv still has some 55 frames left in purple.
>>
>> On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 1:15:16 PM UTC-5 bcom...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> hey yall!
>>>
>>> Sadly I missed out on the Platy presale last month, and I’m searching 
>>> for a 55cm Platypus frame. Complete bikes are also interesting. So for 
>>> example if anyone got in on the presale, and has since changed their minds, 
>>> let me know! 
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> Ben
>>> in ky
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: 55cm Platypus frame or bike

[Brian Turner]

Congrats, Ben! I can’t wait to take a test ride!You’ve officially helped make Lexington a sleeper Riv owner hotspot.BrianLexington KYOn Nov 25, 2023, at 1:42 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:Congrats!!On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 12:36:32 PM UTC-5 bcom...@gmail.com wrote:I guess they added some back! all the 55s were definitely sold out last weekish. In between sending this email and having it approved to be posted i found a 55 lime olive for sale used and bought it, so im no longer searching, but good lookin out, thanks!benlexington ky On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 1:47 PM Johnny Alien  wrote:Riv still has some 55 frames left in purple.On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 1:15:16 PM UTC-5 bcom...@gmail.com wrote:hey yall!Sadly I missed out on the Platy presale last month, and I’m searching for a 55cm Platypus frame. Complete bikes are also interesting. So for example if anyone got in on the presale, and has since changed their minds, let me know! thanksBenin ky




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[RBW] Re: WTB Riv thumb shifter mounts or IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc.

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Anyone? :)

On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 8:53:03 PM UTC-5 Jon Craig wrote:

> Basically looking for a way to get my Silver barend shifters off my 
> barend! Riv thumb mounts, the IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc etc etc. 
> My budget's limited, so I'm hoping someone has something that'll do this 
> laying around they'll let go cheap!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best mitten design for very cold weather

[Garth]

I was wondering how I was going to fare wearing the Kinco Axeman mittens 
this morning @26 degrees, sunny and a light crisp dry fresh breeze. I wore 
the longer cuff Harbor Freight 7 mil nitrile gloves underneath, reversed so 
the slick inside glides with the fleece interior of the mitt.  W U N D A B 
A H  ! (pronounced like voon-da-bah) aka Wonderful ! 

I wasn't so sure about the feet either as usually below 32 has been cold 
toes with my Altra Trail runners, even with Showers Pass Mountain socks 
that are windproof and have some wool inside, supposedly. They weren't very 
warm by themselves, surprisingly, until this year I started wearing plastic 
grocery bags around my feet before I put the socks on. Now they're warm ! 
Vapor barriers for the win !  For more warmth I can place some plastic 
packaging pouches converted to toe booties inside my shoes. 

Plus I bought me some fancy Sportful Fiandre road specific jackets this 
fall, one of which aptly named "Warm" with a Gore Infinium wind stopping 
softshell and a laminated fleece lining. (Fiandre is Italian for Flanders, 
a region of Belgium famous for fabulous pro road races) The "Warm" jacket 
has all sorts of ventilation built into it, from a narrow strip of fleece 
running the length of the under arms, to the mesh caped upper back vent, to 
two small zippered side torso vents. It's a brilliant design. It's not 
meant for below freezing so I wore two light baselayer shirts, which I 
found is warmer than one thicker one, plus another Fiandre jacket on top of 
the baselayers and underneath the Warm. The Fiandre NoRain Light short 
sleeve jacket. Gawd is it awesome, the back is breathable rain resistant 
fabric and the rest is a thin wind stopping laminate that's noiseless and 
supple. Having that extra windproof fabric over the shoulders to the elbows 
makes a huge difference compared to vests. Very light and packable. All 
these Fiandre jackets are like hybrid jersey/jackets, they're meant to be 
very form fitting and over baselayers, like a jersey. 

All that with some nice warm Santini Aldo bib tights which I'm pretty sure 
is the heaviest/most dense fleece made road cycling wear. No wind blocking 
panels, minimal seams, just the dense and very supple "Roubaix" style 
fleece, smooth outside and fleecy inside. 

Riding in long low road position(notably less air resistance !) and having 
form fitting no flap clothing this year I've kept riding this fall whereas 
usually I would have given in to the cold for walking/hiking instead. 

Having a warm head of course is essential and I use combos of balaclavas, 
neck gaiters and Lowe Alpine Mountain Caps, which are the bees knees for 
anything in the cold. Goretex shell and fleece lining, with loops @ the 
chin for DIY securing under the chin. Mine are some 12 years old, but I see 
they still make them, albeit with their own proprietary waterproofing 
rather than a Gore product. 
https://mountainequipment.com/products/classic-mountain-cap-alpine-hat The 
brim is wired so bendable any which way, plus it snaps up under the little 
horizontal piece of fabric on the front. The main thing I get out the hat 
is that it is windproof, just like the socks. If my head is cold I have no 
chance to stay warm ! 

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 12:42:53 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks. Those are warmer than PI Lobsters? 
>
> I've been trying to sell my lobsters but no response, and I may just keep 
> them; they'll fit inside the new leather/fleece-lined mittens for very cold 
> mornings without (apparently; haven't yet ridden with this combo) binding 
> or squashing.
>
> On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 10:35 AM Tim Donner  wrote:
>
>> I ride in Western Mass, this mornings ride was in the low 20s and these 
>> have been really toasty for me in temps down into the teens! GORE-TEX 
>> INFINIUM THERMO SPLIT GLOVES 
>> .
>>  
>> I wear them on my drop bar and swept back bar bikes, with bar end and 
>> thumbie shifters respectively. I appreciate that they have XXXL, my palms 
>> are pretty big and this gives a snug yet roomy fit and gives me enough 
>> dexterity and they aren't super long on my fingers. 
>> Full price they are spendy but I have seen them on sale for closer to $50 
>> in the past. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 12:44:57 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I bought a pair of size Large Guide Gear leather mittens with light 
>>> fleece lining and inner wool mitten, sub $40. The wool mitten is thin, not 
>>> at all like the heavy, almost felted wool mittens with my first pair of OR 
>>> nylon/wool combo, but the OR combination was really too warm for my needs. 
>>> The leather is good quality and supple, the stitching looks good, and they 
>>> are labeled "waterproof." I daresay that the lining will wear but I wanted 
>>> these for the leather outer mitts which are large enough to wear over not 
>>> only the accompanying wo

[RBW] Re: WTB Riv thumb shifter mounts or IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc.

[Garth]

Years ago I bought a set of Sunrace SLM10 thumbshifters along withe some 
Falcon ones. I've never used them, but you can still buy them retail. They 
both have ratchets, albeit plastic, but they work just fine. Looking at 
buyer comments it's about common issues with any thumbshifter, like the 
shifter needing retightened, or the cables fraying, or "my dog ate my 
shifters and now they're junk... what crappy shifters, one star !"  People 
are nuts. 

$15 shipped https://www.ebay.com/itm/224487667033

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 2:42:47 PM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Anyone? :)
>
> On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 8:53:03 PM UTC-5 Jon Craig wrote:
>
>> Basically looking for a way to get my Silver barend shifters off my 
>> barend! Riv thumb mounts, the IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc etc etc. 
>> My budget's limited, so I'm hoping someone has something that'll do this 
>> laying around they'll let go cheap!
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB Riv thumb shifter mounts or IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc.

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Huh! Are they likely to work with my 9 speed drivetrain?

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 3:12:43 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Years ago I bought a set of Sunrace SLM10 thumbshifters along withe some 
> Falcon ones. I've never used them, but you can still buy them retail. They 
> both have ratchets, albeit plastic, but they work just fine. Looking at 
> buyer comments it's about common issues with any thumbshifter, like the 
> shifter needing retightened, or the cables fraying, or "my dog ate my 
> shifters and now they're junk... what crappy shifters, one star !"  People 
> are nuts. 
>
> $15 shipped https://www.ebay.com/itm/224487667033
>
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 2:42:47 PM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone? :)
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 8:53:03 PM UTC-5 Jon Craig wrote:
>>
>>> Basically looking for a way to get my Silver barend shifters off my 
>>> barend! Riv thumb mounts, the IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc etc etc. 
>>> My budget's limited, so I'm hoping someone has something that'll do this 
>>> laying around they'll let go cheap!
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Riv thumb shifter mounts or IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc.

[Johnny Alien]

I think I have sunrace thumbshifters that are not as nice as silver 
shifters but I *think* that silver shifters can be mounted to them. If 
anyone can confirm that is true I would be happy to send you the 
thumbshifter mounts for free. They are just sitting around. Like these

https://www.rivbike.com/products/sunrace-one-at-a-time-thumb-shifter-right-side

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 3:35:02 PM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Huh! Are they likely to work with my 9 speed drivetrain?
>
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 3:12:43 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> Years ago I bought a set of Sunrace SLM10 thumbshifters along withe some 
>> Falcon ones. I've never used them, but you can still buy them retail. They 
>> both have ratchets, albeit plastic, but they work just fine. Looking at 
>> buyer comments it's about common issues with any thumbshifter, like the 
>> shifter needing retightened, or the cables fraying, or "my dog ate my 
>> shifters and now they're junk... what crappy shifters, one star !"  People 
>> are nuts. 
>>
>> $15 shipped https://www.ebay.com/itm/224487667033
>>
>> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 2:42:47 PM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone? :)
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 8:53:03 PM UTC-5 Jon Craig wrote:
>>>
 Basically looking for a way to get my Silver barend shifters off my 
 barend! Riv thumb mounts, the IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc etc etc. 
 My budget's limited, so I'm hoping someone has something that'll do this 
 laying around they'll let go cheap!
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Riv thumb shifter mounts or IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc.

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Looks like Riv says just a little filing needed. Can anyone confirm?

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 3:41:26 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I think I have sunrace thumbshifters that are not as nice as silver 
> shifters but I *think* that silver shifters can be mounted to them. If 
> anyone can confirm that is true I would be happy to send you the 
> thumbshifter mounts for free. They are just sitting around. Like these
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/sunrace-one-at-a-time-thumb-shifter-right-side
>
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 3:35:02 PM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Huh! Are they likely to work with my 9 speed drivetrain?
>>
>> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 3:12:43 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Years ago I bought a set of Sunrace SLM10 thumbshifters along withe some 
>>> Falcon ones. I've never used them, but you can still buy them retail. They 
>>> both have ratchets, albeit plastic, but they work just fine. Looking at 
>>> buyer comments it's about common issues with any thumbshifter, like the 
>>> shifter needing retightened, or the cables fraying, or "my dog ate my 
>>> shifters and now they're junk... what crappy shifters, one star !"  People 
>>> are nuts. 
>>>
>>> $15 shipped https://www.ebay.com/itm/224487667033
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 2:42:47 PM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Anyone? :)

 On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 8:53:03 PM UTC-5 Jon Craig wrote:

> Basically looking for a way to get my Silver barend shifters off my 
> barend! Riv thumb mounts, the IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc etc etc. 
> My budget's limited, so I'm hoping someone has something that'll do this 
> laying around they'll let go cheap!



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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: 55cm Platypus frame or bike

[Steve]

If Rivendell riders are a bit of a global tribe, then Platypus riders are 
one its most distinguished clans (I'm sure).  

Ben, welcome to the Platypus Clan 

Steve 
Asheville, NC 

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 2:11:40 PM UTC-5 Brian Turner wrote:

> Congrats, Ben! I can’t wait to take a test ride!
>
> You’ve officially helped make Lexington a sleeper Riv owner hotspot.
>
> Brian
> Lexington KY
>
> On Nov 25, 2023, at 1:42 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> Congrats!!
>
>
>
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 12:36:32 PM UTC-5 bcom...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I guess they added some back! all the 55s were definitely sold out last 
>> weekish. 
>>
>> In between sending this email and having it approved to be posted i found 
>> a 55 lime olive for sale used and bought it, so im no longer searching, but 
>> good lookin out, thanks!
>>
>> ben
>> lexington ky 
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 1:47 PM Johnny Alien  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Riv still has some 55 frames left in purple.
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 1:15:16 PM UTC-5 bcom...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 hey yall!

 Sadly I missed out on the Platy presale last month, and I’m searching 
 for a 55cm Platypus frame. Complete bikes are also interesting. So for 
 example if anyone got in on the presale, and has since changed their 
 minds, 
 let me know! 

 thanks
 Ben
 in ky

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[RBW] Re: WTB Riv thumb shifter mounts or IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc.

[Garth]

Yes, as does any friction shifter ! 

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 3:35:02 PM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Huh! Are they likely to work with my 9 speed drivetrain?
>
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 3:12:43 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> Years ago I bought a set of Sunrace SLM10 thumbshifters along withe some 
>> Falcon ones. I've never used them, but you can still buy them retail. They 
>> both have ratchets, albeit plastic, but they work just fine. Looking at 
>> buyer comments it's about common issues with any thumbshifter, like the 
>> shifter needing retightened, or the cables fraying, or "my dog ate my 
>> shifters and now they're junk... what crappy shifters, one star !"  People 
>> are nuts. 
>>
>> $15 shipped https://www.ebay.com/itm/224487667033
>>
>> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 2:42:47 PM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone? :)
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 8:53:03 PM UTC-5 Jon Craig wrote:
>>>
 Basically looking for a way to get my Silver barend shifters off my 
 barend! Riv thumb mounts, the IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc etc etc. 
 My budget's limited, so I'm hoping someone has something that'll do this 
 laying around they'll let go cheap!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Best mitten design for very cold weather

[Brian Turner]

I just received the Kinco waterproof Work + Ski mitt for my birthday and am anxious to get to try them out on some cold rides this Winter. They’re leather mittens, but have a 5-finger liner built into them to keep your fingers toasty.BrianLex KyOn Nov 25, 2023, at 3:00 PM, Garth  wrote:I was wondering how I was going to fare wearing the Kinco Axeman mittens this morning @26 degrees, sunny and a light crisp dry fresh breeze. I wore the longer cuff Harbor Freight 7 mil nitrile gloves underneath, reversed so the slick inside glides with the fleece interior of the mitt.  W U N D A B A H  ! (pronounced like voon-da-bah) aka Wonderful ! I wasn't so sure about the feet either as usually below 32 has been cold toes with my Altra Trail runners, even with Showers Pass Mountain socks that are windproof and have some wool inside, supposedly. They weren't very warm by themselves, surprisingly, until this year I started wearing plastic grocery bags around my feet before I put the socks on. Now they're warm ! Vapor barriers for the win !  For more warmth I can place some plastic packaging pouches converted to toe booties inside my shoes. Plus I bought me some fancy Sportful Fiandre road specific jackets this fall, one of which aptly named "Warm" with a Gore Infinium wind stopping softshell and a laminated fleece lining. (Fiandre is Italian for Flanders, a region of Belgium famous for fabulous pro road races) The "Warm" jacket has all sorts of ventilation built into it, from a narrow strip of fleece running the length of the under arms, to the mesh caped upper back vent, to two small zippered side torso vents. It's a brilliant design. It's not meant for below freezing so I wore two light baselayer shirts, which I found is warmer than one thicker one, plus another Fiandre jacket on top of the baselayers and underneath the Warm. The Fiandre NoRain Light short sleeve jacket. Gawd is it awesome, the back is breathable rain resistant fabric and the rest is a thin wind stopping laminate that's noiseless and supple. Having that extra windproof fabric over the shoulders to the elbows makes a huge difference compared to vests. Very light and packable. All these Fiandre jackets are like hybrid jersey/jackets, they're meant to be very form fitting and over baselayers, like a jersey. All that with some nice warm Santini Aldo bib tights which I'm pretty sure is the heaviest/most dense fleece made road cycling wear. No wind blocking panels, minimal seams, just the dense and very supple "Roubaix" style fleece, smooth outside and fleecy inside. Riding in long low road position(notably less air resistance !) and having form fitting no flap clothing this year I've kept riding this fall whereas usually I would have given in to the cold for walking/hiking instead. Having a warm head of course is essential and I use combos of balaclavas, neck gaiters and Lowe Alpine Mountain Caps, which are the bees knees for anything in the cold. Goretex shell and fleece lining, with loops @ the chin for DIY securing under the chin. Mine are some 12 years old, but I see they still make them, albeit with their own proprietary waterproofing rather than a Gore product. https://mountainequipment.com/products/classic-mountain-cap-alpine-hat The brim is wired so bendable any which way, plus it snaps up under the little horizontal piece of fabric on the front. The main thing I get out the hat is that it is windproof, just like the socks. If my head is cold I have no chance to stay warm ! On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 12:42:53 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:Thanks. Those are warmer than PI Lobsters? I've been trying to sell my lobsters but no response, and I may just keep them; they'll fit inside the new leather/fleece-lined mittens for very cold mornings without (apparently; haven't yet ridden with this combo) binding or squashing.On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 10:35 AM Tim Donner  wrote:I ride in Western Mass, this mornings ride was in the low 20s and these have been really toasty for me in temps down into the teens! GORE-TEX INFINIUM THERMO SPLIT GLOVES. I wear them on my drop bar and swept back bar bikes, with bar end and thumbie shifters respectively. I appreciate that they have XXXL, my palms are pretty big and this gives a snug yet roomy fit and gives me enough dexterity and they aren't super long on my fingers. Full price they are spendy but I have seen them on sale for closer to $50 in the past. On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 12:44:57 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:I bought a pair of size Large Guide Gear leather mittens with light fleece lining and inner wool mitten, sub $40. The wool mitten is thin, not at all like the heavy, almost felted wool mittens with my first pair of OR nylon/wool combo, but the OR combination was really too warm for my needs. The leather is good quality and supple, the stitching looks good, and they are labeled "waterproof." I daresay that the lining will wear but I wanted these for the leather outer mitts which a

Re: [RBW] Re: Best mitten design for very cold weather

[Patrick Moore]

+1 for plastic bags, tho' I use them for wind protection in mesh shoes when
it's not quite cold enough for my winter shoes. Over wool socks, 1 or even
2 pairs as needed.

Head: Back when I had a pony tail (I have thick hair) I wondered why people
got het up about hats. Now that it's cropped to 1/2" or less I understand.
I bought some nice OR fleece skull caps with ear flaps and draw cord that I
wear under a winter cycling cap -- Walz or PI; colder and I'll add a neck
gaiter* or scarf or balaclava, and for real cold I have a Fargo the Movie
trooper's hat with plush lining and ear flaps to wear over ditto.

Jacket: I've got choices that all work down to the upper teens: a light
lined shell to which I had pit zips added that I can wear over various
under layers, the warmest by far being a heavy wool Finnish sweater with
high full zip neck; or -- donated by a friendly iBob, a wonderful '80s
Italian wool + nylon panel cycling jacket that is surprisingly warm for its
weight and which I can wear over various wool layers including an Ibex wool
vest.

That mountain equipment had is better than my Fargo troopers' hat tho' this
is much the same in design and dimensions. I'm tempted to buy one but
usually I get by with the OR skullcap or a blalaclava plus a scarf and the
Walz or PI winter caps and the trooper is worn only occasionally

Gloves: a range from thin silk liners (but cheap; Lands' End junk; they
pill) to wonderful, very durable and warm to just above freezing DeFeet
wool knit gloves to ex-Bundesweher lined leather gloves bought 2 sizes too
large in which I can wear both of the foregoing, then the new mittens into
which I can get the leather gloves. I've also got those PI lobsters which
also fit into the new leather mittens.**

*I have a Buff and a much cheaper one from Varusteleka. Guess which is by
far the better: better quality, better weight, better fit? The Buff is
pilling lightweight junk tho' I like the blazing orange color.

FS: thinnish but very decent wool mittens that came as liners with the
leather mittens, unworn, Large; Finnish army mil surpl wool shooter mittens
-- sep trigger fingers -- unworn, Large; and OR nylon mitten/gauntlets, I
expect XL, bought used but VG. Take these, leave the lobsters, for $25
shipped CONUS. All this + PI lobsters, before I wear them again: $70
shipped CONUS. Hell, I'll through in that Buff neck gaiter too, tho' you'll
have to remind me and you should probably wash it.


On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 1:00 PM Garth  wrote:

> I was wondering how I was going to fare wearing the Kinco Axeman mittens
> this morning @26 degrees, sunny and a light crisp dry fresh breeze. I wore
> the longer cuff Harbor Freight 7 mil nitrile gloves underneath, reversed so
> the slick inside glides with the fleece interior of the mitt.  W U N D A B
> A H  ! (pronounced like voon-da-bah) aka Wonderful !
>
> I wasn't so sure about the feet either as usually below 32 has been cold
> toes with my Altra Trail runners, even with Showers Pass Mountain socks
> that are windproof and have some wool inside, supposedly. They weren't very
> warm by themselves, surprisingly, until this year I started wearing plastic
> grocery bags around my feet before I put the socks on. Now they're warm !
> Vapor barriers for the win !  For more warmth I can place some plastic
> packaging pouches converted to toe booties inside my shoes.
>
> Plus I bought me some fancy Sportful Fiandre road specific jackets this
> fall, one of which aptly named "Warm" with a Gore Infinium wind stopping
> softshell and a laminated fleece lining. (Fiandre is Italian for Flanders,
> a region of Belgium famous for fabulous pro road races) The "Warm" jacket
> has all sorts of ventilation built into it, from a narrow strip of fleece
> running the length of the under arms, to the mesh caped upper back vent, to
> two small zippered side torso vents. It's a brilliant design. It's not
> meant for below freezing so I wore two light baselayer shirts, which I
> found is warmer than one thicker one, plus another Fiandre jacket on top of
> the baselayers and underneath the Warm. The Fiandre NoRain Light short
> sleeve jacket. Gawd is it awesome, the back is breathable rain resistant
> fabric and the rest is a thin wind stopping laminate that's noiseless and
> supple. Having that extra windproof fabric over the shoulders to the elbows
> makes a huge difference compared to vests. Very light and packable. All
> these Fiandre jackets are like hybrid jersey/jackets, they're meant to be
> very form fitting and over baselayers, like a jersey.
>
> All that with some nice warm Santini Aldo bib tights which I'm pretty sure
> is the heaviest/most dense fleece made road cycling wear. No wind blocking
> panels, minimal seams, just the dense and very supple "Roubaix" style
> fleece, smooth outside and fleecy inside.
>
> Riding in long low road position(notably less air resistance !) and having
> form fitting no flap clothing this year I've kept riding this fall whereas

Re: [RBW] Re: Best mitten design for very cold weather

[Garth]

Patrick, The Lowe Alpine cap from Mountain Equipment is totally windproof 
and waterproof, just to let you know in case. I have some OR Wind Pro 
fleece Peruvian style caps with a chin cord I wear in milder conditions, 
but when below 40 I really need some wind stopping as I tend to take a 
chill from a cold head. Your hearing is slightly diminished with the Lowe 
Alpine cap when battened down, but you can still hear and feel cars.  I 
made my own chin cord out of bulk elastic shockcord and a spring locker, 
like you find on jackets at the waist. I have it long enough that I can 
flip up the ears with the cord over my crown. The back of the hats also 
have an elastic velcro strip to fine tune. My head measures about 58cm and 
I have XL's as I prefer a looser fit to fit over a balaclava if needed. The 
velcro in the back helps to take up the excess. That's just me though, I 
tend to buy all winter headwear a little big.

The "regular" Buffs are rather wonky aren't they. They always feel cold to 
me. I happened to come upon a version of them called Dryflx, the fabric is 
totally different, it always feels "dry" and it's reflective, hence the 
name. This Buff is warm against the skin, unlike the regular Buff. It's 
also taller, has some "body" to the fabric and doesn't fall down so easy, 
despite being about the same thickness, and never feels clammy when 
sweating. I bet you'd like these, I have 4 as I love neck gaiters !  I have 
a bunch of Turtle Fur also, the "original" four layer stuff that's super 
warm and blocks some wind by virtue of the layers. Not really for riding 
though, I have windstopper gaiters for that !

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07MVZ5BNC?th=1&psc=1
On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 5:50:31 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> +1 for plastic bags, tho' I use them for wind protection in mesh shoes 
> when it's not quite cold enough for my winter shoes. Over wool socks, 1 or 
> even 2 pairs as needed.
>
> Head: Back when I had a pony tail (I have thick hair) I wondered why 
> people got het up about hats. Now that it's cropped to 1/2" or less I 
> understand. I bought some nice OR fleece skull caps with ear flaps and draw 
> cord that I wear under a winter cycling cap -- Walz or PI; colder and I'll 
> add a neck gaiter* or scarf or balaclava, and for real cold I have a Fargo 
> the Movie trooper's hat with plush lining and ear flaps to wear over ditto.
>
> Jacket: I've got choices that all work down to the upper teens: a light 
> lined shell to which I had pit zips added that I can wear over various 
> under layers, the warmest by far being a heavy wool Finnish sweater with 
> high full zip neck; or -- donated by a friendly iBob, a wonderful '80s 
> Italian wool + nylon panel cycling jacket that is surprisingly warm for its 
> weight and which I can wear over various wool layers including an Ibex wool 
> vest.
>
> That mountain equipment had is better than my Fargo troopers' hat tho' 
> this is much the same in design and dimensions. I'm tempted to buy one but 
> usually I get by with the OR skullcap or a blalaclava plus a scarf and the 
> Walz or PI winter caps and the trooper is worn only occasionally
>
> Gloves: a range from thin silk liners (but cheap; Lands' End junk; they 
> pill) to wonderful, very durable and warm to just above freezing DeFeet 
> wool knit gloves to ex-Bundesweher lined leather gloves bought 2 sizes too 
> large in which I can wear both of the foregoing, then the new mittens into 
> which I can get the leather gloves. I've also got those PI lobsters which 
> also fit into the new leather mittens.**
>
> *I have a Buff and a much cheaper one from Varusteleka. Guess which is by 
> far the better: better quality, better weight, better fit? The Buff is 
> pilling lightweight junk tho' I like the blazing orange color.
>
> FS: thinnish but very decent wool mittens that came as liners with the 
> leather mittens, unworn, Large; Finnish army mil surpl wool shooter mittens 
> -- sep trigger fingers -- unworn, Large; and OR nylon mitten/gauntlets, I 
> expect XL, bought used but VG. Take these, leave the lobsters, for $25 
> shipped CONUS. All this + PI lobsters, before I wear them again: $70 
> shipped CONUS. Hell, I'll through in that Buff neck gaiter too, tho' you'll 
> have to remind me and you should probably wash it.
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 1:00 PM Garth  wrote:
>
>> I was wondering how I was going to fare wearing the Kinco Axeman mittens 
>> this morning @26 degrees, sunny and a light crisp dry fresh breeze. I wore 
>> the longer cuff Harbor Freight 7 mil nitrile gloves underneath, reversed so 
>> the slick inside glides with the fleece interior of the mitt.  W U N D A B 
>> A H  ! (pronounced like voon-da-bah) aka Wonderful ! 
>>
>> I wasn't so sure about the feet either as usually below 32 has been cold 
>> toes with my Altra Trail runners, even with Showers Pass Mountain socks 
>> that are windproof and have some wool inside, supposedly. They weren't very 

RE: [RBW] Re: short brake pads on v brakes

[Bernard Duhon]

Now that is a fair warning

Thanks
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brian McDermott
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2023 8:23 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: short brake pads on v brakes

I have, they suck. They are supposed to be a plug and play install, no toe-in. 
They accomplish the desired purpose of not having to deflate the tire to remove 
the wheel, but I couldn't get them to not squeal or vibrate to the point that 
my headlight was cutting out. I tried sanding them, and even gently took some 
sandpaper to my brake track, which worked for about five brakings then it went 
right back to squealing like a banshee. Frustratingly just put my stock pads 
back on and deal with letting out air when the wheel needs to be removed.
On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 8:58:40 PM UTC-5 
ber...@bernardduhon.com wrote:


Has anyone tried these short brake pads on v brakes
Sanity Brake Pads: Stubby V-Brake Pads that don’t make you deflate you – 
Rivendell Bicycle Works 
(rivbike.com)
They are supposed to allow removal of wheel without deflating tire, without 
affecting braking power


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[RBW] Re: Newer Sam Hillborne/Toyo Atlantis crossover

[Bryce Lackey]

If you compare the two bikes on bike insights, they're almost identical 
except the new Sams have more stack.

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 12:36:39 PM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:

> Just curious if anyone has any real world experience with both of these 
> bikes, and if so, how similar they feel & ride (aside from obvious 
> differences like tire clearance). I have a 61 Atlantis and am looking at a 
> 60 Hillborne. Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: My Legolas is now a 2x10

[RichS]

Jock, I like the drivetrain on your exquisite Paramount. I'm really curious 
what chain and front derailer helps bring everything together so well.
Thanks so much!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 10:58:59 AM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:

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> I'm not sure I understand the issue. 
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> One of my bikes, a race bike circa 1985, is equipped with a new 10-speed 
> Campagnolo Centaur RD, a 7-speed IRD freewheel and new Shimano indexed 7/8 
> speed DT levers. Front is IRD Defiant crankset with TA Zephyr @ 46 / 30. 
> The only little hack was replacing the derailer's limit screw with a longer 
> one to prohibit 'over-shifting'—for want of a better word. Though I manage 
> friction-shifting quite comfortably, I've grown to embrace 'click' mostly 
> because why not? The system works perfectly.
>
> Full disclosure, my other bikes are all 9-speed with Dura Ace dt levers 
> and Shimano RDs
>
> Jock
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> On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 7:10 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
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>> The Force 1x rear Der handled things well in this setup, but I would say 
>> this is around the limits.  The way these 1x derailleurs maintain the right 
>> gap to the cassette is there's a big offset from the pivot to the upper 
>> jockey wheel.  It's less about parallelogram tilt.  So the path the upper 
>> jockey takes is a lot different between big ring and small ring, so in 
>> setup, there are compromises.  I think a triple could work, provide the 
>> spread is not a lot bigger than the 14t jump I'm running now.  I think some 
>> wide spread triple like a 48/36/24 would probably be really tough to set 
>> up.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 2:54:13 AM UTC-8 R. Alexis wrote:
>>
>>> Nice! How does that SRAM Force 1x rear der work on that set up? Wondered 
>>> why one couldn't use it on a double or triple. Nice to know that it still 
>>> works on 10 speed. 
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Reginald Alexis
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 4:08:37 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 When I initially built up my Legolas, I built it to be what it is: a 
 cyclocross race bike.  As such I had it set up as a 1x10.  Most of my 
 winter riding is Wandring, and Wandring in the east bay is freaking 
 strenuous.  I decided that my Wandrer career is ahead of me and my 
 cyclocross race career is behind me, so I conceded and set up the Legolas 
 as the 2x10 that I had designed it to be capable of.  

 Today was my first Wandr on the new 2x drivetrain in Orinda.  It was 
 only an 18 mile ride but had nearly 3000 feet of climbing.  Did I mention 
 Wandring can be strenuous?  

 Anyhow, pics prove it.  My new 2x crankset is a White Industries VBC, 
 with 42/28 rings.  Shimano CX70 front Der, and a Shimano friction barcon


 https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53352040904/in/album-72157665762529407/


 https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53351721801/in/album-72157665762529407/

 Happy Thanksgiving to all y'all.  I earned my dinner!

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: Newer Sam Hillborne/Toyo Atlantis crossover

[Joe Bernard]

The difference would be tubing. Hillborne is a "country bike" not intended 
to carry touring loads or bomb around on gnarly trails. Atlantis (that's 
one the I owned) is a beefy frame which will take just about anything you 
can throw at it. 

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 5:29:30 PM UTC-8 brycel...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> If you compare the two bikes on bike insights, they're almost identical 
> except the new Sams have more stack.
>
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 12:36:39 PM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:
>
>> Just curious if anyone has any real world experience with both of these 
>> bikes, and if so, how similar they feel & ride (aside from obvious 
>> differences like tire clearance). I have a 61 Atlantis and am looking at a 
>> 60 Hillborne. Thanks!
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