[RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Josh C]

Got the 50cm ordered. Now we wait. I’m the meantime I think I’ll sit down 
with her and see which bits she’s like to use on this build to make it her 
own so that I can start looking around for them. 
On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:39:09 AM UTC-4 schralp wrote:

> I was in a similar situation last year and made the leap. I loved it 
> immediately and almost never ride my other bikes now. Struggled a little to 
> get the right saddle sorted but finally landed on a B67 which is perfect 
> for me and the way my platypus is configured for upright riding. Now, of 
> course, I have a couple of Brooks Flyers lying around but they will move to 
> a new home soon I hope. I’m not really quite sure what it is but the 
> platypus just glides; like it’s floating on air. I hope you have the same 
> experience I have had over the last year and a half or so. Enjoy!
>
> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 2:22:16 PM UTC-7 kiziria...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> After 18 years of near daily riding, and a few attempts at hodge podge 
>> 80s mtn bikes turned commuters that have come and gone, I plan on getting 
>> my first Riv, a Platypus. 
>>
>> It is an entirely unnecessary purchase. I have had a two bicycle quiver 
>> for a majority of my adult life with resounding success. A Salsa Vaya and 
>> various steel hardtail mtb’s, both capable of spirited or loaded riding 
>> with more than enough comfort. 
>>
>> I now have the luxury of all my commuting to be done in a 6 mile radius, 
>> 80% of the time. After incorporating silent retreats into my meditation 
>> practice a few years ago, the last bit of riding “fast” has lost its 
>> appeal, and a slower, more intentional pace of life has pervaded the way in 
>> which I move through the world (exceptions made for descending technical 
>> singletrack ;). 
>>
>> This third addition, which I hope to have for another 18 years, will help 
>> bring something incredibly near and dear to me—my daily bike rides—into 
>> that realm.
>>
>> This is an impressive amount of money to spend on what most would 
>> consider to be a simple, upright, commuter bike, featuring a sun race 
>> drivetrain. Yet, still a bargain compared to traditionally built Riv’s. 
>> However, we all know where the value lies. I will collect my own parts 
>> slowly and make it my own. 
>>
>> A 55cm purple Platypus for me. As a designer, Im not in love with the 
>> color. I find it a bit too saturated and flat, but at least it’s fun and 
>> different. I think this should be the last Ana Purple run. There are far 
>> too many glorious colors to have several Riv runs in one. I will close the 
>> gap with letting go of seemingly unnecessary preferences, something I’ve 
>> been experimenting with throughout my life lately with great success. 
>> Something that seems in line with the Rivendell “way.”
>>
>> I hope to post an excessively thorough review of the bicycle, with a ride 
>> report, through the lens of my background as an industrial designer, 
>> engineer, and most importantly, human being. :) 
>>
>> Good luck to all! 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 7:04:20 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I’m hoping to snag a 50cm green complete for my wife. I’ve had several 
>>> Rivs and she’s never had the experience. She’s mentioned several times that 
>>> a step-through style bike interests her. She has some purple Paul bits on 
>>> her current bike that I think will look nice with the green instead of two 
>>> different purples. 
>>>
>>> This would be her townie bike. We ride to dinner, concerts, drinks, 
>>> casual 20-mile-ish family rides. That sort of thing. Her current rig is an 
>>> Indy fab titanium cross frame that, while being stupid light, simply 
>>> doesn’t have all of the options for racks and fenders that a Riv does. 
>>> She’ll love the fact that she can have fenders and the like. 
>>> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 10:42:07 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm certainly not in a position to by one but feel compelled to say 
 that while I have not been a fan of any of the purple frames Riv has been 
 doing (and frustrated that they are so hung up on it) the Platy looks so 
 fantastic in that color. 

 On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 9:47:08 PM UTC-4 SallyG wrote:

> Will try for a 50 cm complete green for husband's Xmas present! Going 
> to be tricky at work but I have supportive so-workers who know it's 
> Platypus Day tomorrow:)
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 6:40:42 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> The preorder email was sent out today! Did you read it? Lots of 
>> completes for sale but only 24 frames.
>>
>> Set to arrive end of November. Sad you’ll have to wait so long. 
>>
>> Who is getting one?
>>
>> What color?
>>
>> What plans for the bike?
>>
>> I just had a gorgeous 27 miles on my mermaid Platy today. Sublimely 
>> comfortable. Plenty fast. 
>>
>

[RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Johnny Alien]

Congrats to both you and your wife!

Will said he felt like it would be a quick sell especially on the frames 
alone but it appears there is still stock of the frames. He said they were 
only getting like 20-some of those. Either sales have finally come way down 
from their peak OR (and probably pretty likely) Will was way too good at 
pumping the value of the completes and most people went for those.  I admit 
they are fairly nice builds. There were lots of things I wanted to change 
on my Clem but honestly most of whats on that complete Platy I would 
probably keep.

On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 7:08:29 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Got the 50cm ordered. Now we wait. I’m the meantime I think I’ll sit down 
> with her and see which bits she’s like to use on this build to make it her 
> own so that I can start looking around for them. 
> On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:39:09 AM UTC-4 schralp wrote:
>
>> I was in a similar situation last year and made the leap. I loved it 
>> immediately and almost never ride my other bikes now. Struggled a little to 
>> get the right saddle sorted but finally landed on a B67 which is perfect 
>> for me and the way my platypus is configured for upright riding. Now, of 
>> course, I have a couple of Brooks Flyers lying around but they will move to 
>> a new home soon I hope. I’m not really quite sure what it is but the 
>> platypus just glides; like it’s floating on air. I hope you have the same 
>> experience I have had over the last year and a half or so. Enjoy!
>>
>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 2:22:16 PM UTC-7 kiziria...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> After 18 years of near daily riding, and a few attempts at hodge podge 
>>> 80s mtn bikes turned commuters that have come and gone, I plan on getting 
>>> my first Riv, a Platypus. 
>>>
>>> It is an entirely unnecessary purchase. I have had a two bicycle quiver 
>>> for a majority of my adult life with resounding success. A Salsa Vaya and 
>>> various steel hardtail mtb’s, both capable of spirited or loaded riding 
>>> with more than enough comfort. 
>>>
>>> I now have the luxury of all my commuting to be done in a 6 mile radius, 
>>> 80% of the time. After incorporating silent retreats into my meditation 
>>> practice a few years ago, the last bit of riding “fast” has lost its 
>>> appeal, and a slower, more intentional pace of life has pervaded the way in 
>>> which I move through the world (exceptions made for descending technical 
>>> singletrack ;). 
>>>
>>> This third addition, which I hope to have for another 18 years, will 
>>> help bring something incredibly near and dear to me—my daily bike 
>>> rides—into that realm.
>>>
>>> This is an impressive amount of money to spend on what most would 
>>> consider to be a simple, upright, commuter bike, featuring a sun race 
>>> drivetrain. Yet, still a bargain compared to traditionally built Riv’s. 
>>> However, we all know where the value lies. I will collect my own parts 
>>> slowly and make it my own. 
>>>
>>> A 55cm purple Platypus for me. As a designer, Im not in love with the 
>>> color. I find it a bit too saturated and flat, but at least it’s fun and 
>>> different. I think this should be the last Ana Purple run. There are far 
>>> too many glorious colors to have several Riv runs in one. I will close the 
>>> gap with letting go of seemingly unnecessary preferences, something I’ve 
>>> been experimenting with throughout my life lately with great success. 
>>> Something that seems in line with the Rivendell “way.”
>>>
>>> I hope to post an excessively thorough review of the bicycle, with a 
>>> ride report, through the lens of my background as an industrial designer, 
>>> engineer, and most importantly, human being. :) 
>>>
>>> Good luck to all! 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 7:04:20 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>>

 I’m hoping to snag a 50cm green complete for my wife. I’ve had several 
 Rivs and she’s never had the experience. She’s mentioned several times 
 that 
 a step-through style bike interests her. She has some purple Paul bits on 
 her current bike that I think will look nice with the green instead of two 
 different purples. 

 This would be her townie bike. We ride to dinner, concerts, drinks, 
 casual 20-mile-ish family rides. That sort of thing. Her current rig is an 
 Indy fab titanium cross frame that, while being stupid light, simply 
 doesn’t have all of the options for racks and fenders that a Riv does. 
 She’ll love the fact that she can have fenders and the like. 
 On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 10:42:07 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch 
 wrote:

> I'm certainly not in a position to by one but feel compelled to say 
> that while I have not been a fan of any of the purple frames Riv has been 
> doing (and frustrated that they are so hung up on it) the Platy looks so 
> fantastic in that color. 
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 9:47:08 PM UTC-4

Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Leah Peterson]

I am also surprised there are so many frames left. And we don’t know how many completes we started with so not sure how many sold. But the 55 Sergio complete is long gone and some of the other sizes and colors of the completes are dwindling. At any rate, I am so excited for more people to experience the Platypus. There is something special that goes into the Riv mixtes. I think of my RivSisters who have been riding theirs into the finest beausage - Pam Murray, on her 47 cm Betty which is approaching 75,000 miles since 2011, Ana Candela on her custom PurpleRiv, and Caroline Golum, whose Betty rival’s Pam’s. I hope to be among them one day, but my Platys are still young. I enjoy every single ride and I never get enough. Please post your new bikes when you can, friends. I’m so happy for you.LeahOn Oct 20, 2023, at 8:29 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:Congrats to both you and your wife!Will said he felt like it would be a quick sell especially on the frames alone but it appears there is still stock of the frames. He said they were only getting like 20-some of those. Either sales have finally come way down from their peak OR (and probably pretty likely) Will was way too good at pumping the value of the completes and most people went for those.  I admit they are fairly nice builds. There were lots of things I wanted to change on my Clem but honestly most of whats on that complete Platy I would probably keep.On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 7:08:29 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:Got the 50cm ordered. Now we wait. I’m the meantime I think I’ll sit down with her and see which bits she’s like to use on this build to make it her own so that I can start looking around for them. On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:39:09 AM UTC-4 schralp wrote:I was in a similar situation last year and made the leap. I loved it immediately and almost never ride my other bikes now. Struggled a little to get the right saddle sorted but finally landed on a B67 which is perfect for me and the way my platypus is configured for upright riding. Now, of course, I have a couple of Brooks Flyers lying around but they will move to a new home soon I hope. I’m not really quite sure what it is but the platypus just glides; like it’s floating on air. I hope you have the same experience I have had over the last year and a half or so. Enjoy!On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 2:22:16 PM UTC-7 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:After 18 years of near daily riding, and a few attempts at hodge podge 80s mtn bikes turned commuters that have come and gone, I plan on getting my first Riv, a Platypus. It is an entirely unnecessary purchase. I have had a two bicycle quiver for a majority of my adult life with resounding success. A Salsa Vaya and various steel hardtail mtb’s, both capable of spirited or loaded riding with more than enough comfort. I now have the luxury of all my commuting to be done in a 6 mile radius, 80% of the time. After incorporating silent retreats into my meditation practice a few years ago, the last bit of riding “fast” has lost its appeal, and a slower, more intentional pace of life has pervaded the way in which I move through the world (exceptions made for descending technical singletrack ;). This third addition, which I hope to have for another 18 years, will help bring something incredibly near and dear to me—my daily bike rides—into that realm.This is an impressive amount of money to spend on what most would consider to be a simple, upright, commuter bike, featuring a sun race drivetrain. Yet, still a bargain compared to traditionally built Riv’s. However, we all know where the value lies. I will collect my own parts slowly and make it my own. A 55cm purple Platypus for me. As a designer, Im not in love with the color. I find it a bit too saturated and flat, but at least it’s fun and different. I think this should be the last Ana Purple run. There are far too many glorious colors to have several Riv runs in one. I will close the gap with letting go of seemingly unnecessary preferences, something I’ve been experimenting with throughout my life lately with great success. Something that seems in line with the Rivendell “way.”I hope to post an excessively thorough review of the bicycle, with a ride report, through the lens of my background as an industrial designer, engineer, and most importantly, human being. :) Good luck to all! On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 7:04:20 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:I’m hoping to snag a 50cm green complete for my wife. I’ve had several Rivs and she’s never had the experience. She’s mentioned several times that a step-through style bike interests her. She has some purple Paul bits on her current bike that I think will look nice with the green instead of two different purples. This would be her townie bike. We ride to dinner, concerts, drinks, casual 20-mile-ish family rides. That sort of thing. Her current rig is an Indy fab titanium cross frame that, while being stupid light, simply doesn’t have all of the options for racks and fenders that 

Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Brian Turner]

Maybe this is a good indication that the purple color is just not popular. 
It's had its run, so maybe this should be the last for it.

On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 8:54:56 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I am also surprised there are so many frames left. And we don’t know how 
> many completes we started with so not sure how many sold. But the 55 Sergio 
> complete is long gone and some of the other sizes and colors of the 
> completes are dwindling. 
>
> At any rate, I am so excited for more people to experience the Platypus. 
> There is something special that goes into the Riv mixtes. I think of my 
> RivSisters who have been riding theirs into the finest beausage - Pam 
> Murray, on her 47 cm Betty which is approaching 75,000 miles since 2011, 
> Ana Candela on her custom PurpleRiv, and Caroline Golum, whose Betty 
> rival’s Pam’s. I hope to be among them one day, but my Platys are still 
> young. I enjoy every single ride and I never get enough. 
>
> Please post your new bikes when you can, friends. I’m so happy for you.
> Leah
>
> On Oct 20, 2023, at 8:29 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> Congrats to both you and your wife!
>
>
> Will said he felt like it would be a quick sell especially on the frames 
> alone but it appears there is still stock of the frames. He said they were 
> only getting like 20-some of those. Either sales have finally come way down 
> from their peak OR (and probably pretty likely) Will was way too good at 
> pumping the value of the completes and most people went for those.  I admit 
> they are fairly nice builds. There were lots of things I wanted to change 
> on my Clem but honestly most of whats on that complete Platy I would 
> probably keep.
>
> On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 7:08:29 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Got the 50cm ordered. Now we wait. I’m the meantime I think I’ll sit down 
>> with her and see which bits she’s like to use on this build to make it her 
>> own so that I can start looking around for them. 
>> On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:39:09 AM UTC-4 schralp wrote:
>>
>>> I was in a similar situation last year and made the leap. I loved it 
>>> immediately and almost never ride my other bikes now. Struggled a little to 
>>> get the right saddle sorted but finally landed on a B67 which is perfect 
>>> for me and the way my platypus is configured for upright riding. Now, of 
>>> course, I have a couple of Brooks Flyers lying around but they will move to 
>>> a new home soon I hope. I’m not really quite sure what it is but the 
>>> platypus just glides; like it’s floating on air. I hope you have the same 
>>> experience I have had over the last year and a half or so. Enjoy!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 2:22:16 PM UTC-7 kiziria...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 After 18 years of near daily riding, and a few attempts at hodge podge 
 80s mtn bikes turned commuters that have come and gone, I plan on getting 
 my first Riv, a Platypus. 

 It is an entirely unnecessary purchase. I have had a two bicycle quiver 
 for a majority of my adult life with resounding success. A Salsa Vaya and 
 various steel hardtail mtb’s, both capable of spirited or loaded riding 
 with more than enough comfort. 

 I now have the luxury of all my commuting to be done in a 6 mile 
 radius, 80% of the time. After incorporating silent retreats into my 
 meditation practice a few years ago, the last bit of riding “fast” has 
 lost 
 its appeal, and a slower, more intentional pace of life has pervaded the 
 way in which I move through the world (exceptions made for descending 
 technical singletrack ;). 

 This third addition, which I hope to have for another 18 years, will 
 help bring something incredibly near and dear to me—my daily bike 
 rides—into that realm.

 This is an impressive amount of money to spend on what most would 
 consider to be a simple, upright, commuter bike, featuring a sun race 
 drivetrain. Yet, still a bargain compared to traditionally built Riv’s. 
 However, we all know where the value lies. I will collect my own parts 
 slowly and make it my own. 

 A 55cm purple Platypus for me. As a designer, Im not in love with the 
 color. I find it a bit too saturated and flat, but at least it’s fun and 
 different. I think this should be the last Ana Purple run. There are far 
 too many glorious colors to have several Riv runs in one. I will close the 
 gap with letting go of seemingly unnecessary preferences, something I’ve 
 been experimenting with throughout my life lately with great success. 
 Something that seems in line with the Rivendell “way.”

 I hope to post an excessively thorough review of the bicycle, with a 
 ride report, through the lens of my background as an industrial designer, 
 engineer, and most importantly, human being. :) 

 Good luck to all! 



 On Thursday, 

Re: [RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, John. I'd not seen that before.

Funny, the Monocog has track ends with considerable room for axle movement
but it has the old fashioned caliper mounts with no such adjustment.
Perhaps that answers my question as two whether the caliper could
accommodate 1/4" of axle movement.

On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 1:23 PM JohnS  wrote:

> Hello Patrick,
>
> Did anyone mention the All City Nature Box 853 SSCX disk brake bike? The
> rear disk brake mount is slotted to allow for alignment. No idea how easy
> that would be to adjust on the fly.
>
> JohnS
> [image: AllCityNatureBoyRearDropOut.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 12:17:34 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
>> The updated numbers now corroborate the qualitative claim that it won't
>> fit.  So, have you ordered your new Paul Disc WORD hub yet?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 7:50:30 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, not 5 mm, the usual ~2mm Shimano spacer. Actually I think it's a
>>> 9 speed spacer.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 11:09 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
 Patrick Moore claims to have a 5mm spacer + a 3/32" cog on a hub.
 Assuming his story is accurate, that's a stack up of 7.38mm

 Wesley said "put another cog on there", to which Patrick Moore said
 there would be no room for the chain.

 8-speed Shimano cassette cogs are 1.8mm thick, and the right spacer
 between Shimano 8-speed cassette cogs is 3.0mm in thickness.  So, if your
 stack up was COG+SPACER+COG then that would add up to 1.8mm + 3.0mm + 1.8mm
 = 6.6mm.  That's a shorter stack up than what you have, and would have a
 spacing between cogs that you know works.  What's the problem?  Would the
 "inner" cog run up against the spokes or something?  It sounds to me like
 you have ample room to try two cogs plus a spacer and see what you think.
 You frequently describe your box full of all generations of 7, 8, 9, 10
 speed cassette cogs and spacers.  Give it a go!

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 4:09:12 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I could indeed get a second cog into the place of the spacer but 
> there'd be no room for the chain.
>
> No, good thought, but you'd need 5 mm more of space for: big cog +
> spacer + small cog; then lockring. As it is, the big cog and small cog
> would have to butt up against each other; no room for chain.
>
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 4:18 PM Wesley  wrote:
>
>> Ah. Can you not remove the 5mm spacer? That should be enough room for
>> a second cog, IMO.
>> -W
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 3:02:19 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Not mine, said by seller to be a 2012 model. I have a 5 mm spacer,
>>> then the 3/32" cog, and then the lockring threads.
>>>
>>> Good to know that the caliper (again, list, almost vertically atop
>>> the rotor at top dead center, but actually offset a cm or two forward) 
>>> can
>>> accommodate a bit of fore/aft axle movement.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 3:56 PM Wesley  wrote:
>>>
 Hey Patrick,
 My recollection of my monocog was that the freehub had room for
 three cogs. I think there were spacers on the hub that covered up most 
 of
 the free hub - remove the locking and you can do adjust the spacers as
 necessary. If yours is the same, then you could just keep that wheel 
 and
 put the additional cogs onto it.

 And, in case I wasn't clear in my earlier response, I think there
 is plenty of adjustment room in the disc brakes to accommodate the rear
 axle being adjusted in the dropout.
 -Wes

 On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 10:44:19 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore
 wrote:

> That's interesting, and after blundering into a few search result
> pages about money markets and currency conversion I got:
>
> http://www.monebikes.com/read-me/
>
> But he says nothing about adjustable chainstays,
>
> Still, he does talk about weird possibilities like 3" tires and
> drop bars, so I must investigate.
>
> Really, though, to conclude this question, it seems that I can
> either have a very simple bike with disc brakes as long as it's a 
> single
> speed, or I can accommodate 2 cogs using some niche, complex 
> technology. I
> think I'll either settle for a fixed drivetrain (no rear brake, no 
> problem)
> or get off and walk. Rear rim brake not option since I want to use 
> disc
> rims.
>
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 8:44 AM Coal Bee Rye Anne <
> lionsrug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have no personal experience with single speed disc nor

[RBW] How do you fix your leather saddle creaks and squeaks?

[Brian Turner]

At some point this week, my new (to me) Atlantis developed a creak whenever 
I pedaled. While standing and cranking, nothing... so saddle or seatpost, 
right? The Brooks B17 I have on it is very old and broken in, and it has 
never creaked before, but I decided to take it off, greased the rails, a 
few drops of Tenacious Oil on the metal bits, cleaned and greased the 
seatpost and clamp, cleaned out the seat tube with this long brush that I 
have (think, long flexible bottle brush). Took it for a test ride, and the 
creak was still there.

So, now I proceed to deep dive into this. Remove and regrease the pedals. 
Pulled cranks and cleaned the chainrings. Replaced the rusty chainring 
bolts. Greased spindles and crank bolts. I didn't really want to remove the 
BB - even though that was a likely culprit - but I left it alone. New chain 
installed. Tightened fender stays. Checked cable housing and stops. Greased 
QR skewers. Test ride again. Creak still there, and maybe worse. Damn it! 
Why didn't I just pull the BB while I had all that disassembled??

After all this, I suddenly remembered that I had an extra saddle in my 
parts bin. I felt stupid for not putting this saddle on first thing to test 
my initial theory. Sure enough, test ride proved NO CREAKING. A-ha! I'm an 
idiot.

So, now to go full-on assault with this saddle creak. I flipped it over and 
dabbed globs of Obenauf's around all the places where the metal 
undercarraige meets the leather. Then, I took a heat gun (on low setting) 
and melted the Obenauf's to let it ooze down into all those nooks and 
crannies. I've never tried this approach before, but it seemed like an idea 
that could possibly work well - for a while at least. Sure enough, it took 
care of the creak. We'll see how long it holds up.

Do you have a good creak, or creaky saddle story? How did you take care of 
it?

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RE: [RBW] How do you fix your leather saddle creaks and squeaks?

[Bernard Duhon]

I have had this problem

Before you do all this “mechanical” stuff, try “Magic incantations”. They work 
just as well.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brian Turner
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 9:01 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] How do you fix your leather saddle creaks and squeaks?

At some point this week, my new (to me) Atlantis developed a creak whenever I 
pedaled. While standing and cranking, nothing... so saddle or seatpost, right? 
The Brooks B17 I have on it is very old and broken in, and it has never creaked 
before, but I decided to take it off, greased the rails, a few drops of 
Tenacious Oil on the metal bits, cleaned and greased the seatpost and clamp, 
cleaned out the seat tube with this long brush that I have (think, long 
flexible bottle brush). Took it for a test ride, and the creak was still there.

So, now I proceed to deep dive into this. Remove and regrease the pedals. 
Pulled cranks and cleaned the chainrings. Replaced the rusty chainring bolts. 
Greased spindles and crank bolts. I didn't really want to remove the BB - even 
though that was a likely culprit - but I left it alone. New chain installed. 
Tightened fender I have had this problem stays. Checked cable housing and 
stops. Greased QR skewers. Test ride again. Creak still there, and maybe worse. 
Damn it! Why didn't I just pull the BB while I had all that disassem


bled??

After all this, I suddenly remembered that I had an extra saddle in my parts 
bin. I felt stupid for not putting this saddle on first thing to test my 
initial theory. Sure enough, test ride proved NO CREAKING. A-ha! I'm an idiot.

So, now to go full-on assault with this saddle creak. I flipped it over and 
dabbed globs of Obenauf's around all the places where the metal undercarraige 
meets the leather. Then, I took a heat gun (on low setting) and melted the 
Obenauf's to let it ooze down into all those nooks and crannies. I've never 
tried this approach before, but it seemed like an idea that could possibly work 
well - for a while at least. Sure enough, it took care of the creak. We'll see 
how long it holds up.

Do you have a good creak, or creaky saddle story? How did you take care of it?
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[RBW] Re: How do you fix your leather saddle creaks and squeaks?

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Glad you were able to finally pinpoint and resolve it!  Been there a few 
times in recent years among various builds.  One was a known creaky sprung 
saddle (Conquest) that, similar to your approach, was eliminated with some 
extra Proofide worked around the metal frame.  That particular saddle just 
wasn't a good fit for me and has since been opportunistically sold or 
traded.  Other mystery creaks ended up being cracked alloy chainring bolts, 
loose BB cups, pedals, chains just needing to be cleaned/lubricated and 
de-tensioned (tight spot on single speed drivetrain.)  One in particular 
was driving me nuts after ruling out part after part on an old project 
frame.  There was a point where there were a few known creaks (same 
Conquest saddle, drivetrain noise, etc.) during some build concept trial 
and error but once I eliminated the known creaks I ended up with a new 
one.  Similar to you I eventually pinpointed it to saddle/seatpost with 
standing and pedaling eliminating it did another saddle swap and it was 
still there... then it showed up while standing and pedaling on occasion 
too.  I was already planning a larger scale overhaul of this particular 
frame, including a fork swap with a small cache of parts ready to go for my 
final rebuild when low and behold, while preparing to give my new seatpost 
a try I just happened be bent and looking at the right angle while 
tightening or loosening or just cleaning around the seat binder and top 
tube junction to find a crack along the inside of the side-tacked 
seatstay.  A little thumb pressure revealed the entire joint had already 
given way with a loose seatstay causing all the creaking.  I ultimately 
resolved it by abandoning the build since the frame was low end and not 
worth investing in repairs.

Now I have a recurring creak on my Clem that I believe is coming from one 
of the pedals, but time will tell!

Brian 

On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:01:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> At some point this week, my new (to me) Atlantis developed a creak 
> whenever I pedaled. While standing and cranking, nothing... so saddle or 
> seatpost, right? The Brooks B17 I have on it is very old and broken in, and 
> it has never creaked before, but I decided to take it off, greased the 
> rails, a few drops of Tenacious Oil on the metal bits, cleaned and greased 
> the seatpost and clamp, cleaned out the seat tube with this long brush that 
> I have (think, long flexible bottle brush). Took it for a test ride, and 
> the creak was still there.
>
> So, now I proceed to deep dive into this. Remove and regrease the pedals. 
> Pulled cranks and cleaned the chainrings. Replaced the rusty chainring 
> bolts. Greased spindles and crank bolts. I didn't really want to remove the 
> BB - even though that was a likely culprit - but I left it alone. New chain 
> installed. Tightened fender stays. Checked cable housing and stops. Greased 
> QR skewers. Test ride again. Creak still there, and maybe worse. Damn it! 
> Why didn't I just pull the BB while I had all that disassembled??
>
> After all this, I suddenly remembered that I had an extra saddle in my 
> parts bin. I felt stupid for not putting this saddle on first thing to test 
> my initial theory. Sure enough, test ride proved NO CREAKING. A-ha! I'm an 
> idiot.
>
> So, now to go full-on assault with this saddle creak. I flipped it over 
> and dabbed globs of Obenauf's around all the places where the metal 
> undercarraige meets the leather. Then, I took a heat gun (on low setting) 
> and melted the Obenauf's to let it ooze down into all those nooks and 
> crannies. I've never tried this approach before, but it seemed like an idea 
> that could possibly work well - for a while at least. Sure enough, it took 
> care of the creak. We'll see how long it holds up.
>
> Do you have a good creak, or creaky saddle story? How did you take care of 
> it?
>

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[RBW] WTB: Crumbworks KT (Silver)

[dylan green]

Anyone selling a pair of Crumbworks KT's? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Josh C]

It maybe so. If I were buying for myself I’d buy a green. I was kind of 
surprised that my wife liked the green over purple but she did. I agree 
with her that it’ll probably look best with her purple Paul brake levers 
and thumbes though. 

I’m thinking about getting a Clem complete out of the next batch and seeing 
how it works as a real world commuter. They are going to be released in 
Clem green and dark orange; presale in December. I wouldn’t personally buy 
a purple bike but like to see the different colors. 

On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 9:36:27 AM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:

> Maybe this is a good indication that the purple color is just not popular. 
> It's had its run, so maybe this should be the last for it.
>
> On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 8:54:56 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I am also surprised there are so many frames left. And we don’t know how 
>> many completes we started with so not sure how many sold. But the 55 Sergio 
>> complete is long gone and some of the other sizes and colors of the 
>> completes are dwindling. 
>>
>> At any rate, I am so excited for more people to experience the Platypus. 
>> There is something special that goes into the Riv mixtes. I think of my 
>> RivSisters who have been riding theirs into the finest beausage - Pam 
>> Murray, on her 47 cm Betty which is approaching 75,000 miles since 2011, 
>> Ana Candela on her custom PurpleRiv, and Caroline Golum, whose Betty 
>> rival’s Pam’s. I hope to be among them one day, but my Platys are still 
>> young. I enjoy every single ride and I never get enough. 
>>
>> Please post your new bikes when you can, friends. I’m so happy for you.
>> Leah
>>
>> On Oct 20, 2023, at 8:29 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>> Congrats to both you and your wife!
>>
>>
>> Will said he felt like it would be a quick sell especially on the frames 
>> alone but it appears there is still stock of the frames. He said they were 
>> only getting like 20-some of those. Either sales have finally come way down 
>> from their peak OR (and probably pretty likely) Will was way too good at 
>> pumping the value of the completes and most people went for those.  I admit 
>> they are fairly nice builds. There were lots of things I wanted to change 
>> on my Clem but honestly most of whats on that complete Platy I would 
>> probably keep.
>>
>> On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 7:08:29 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Got the 50cm ordered. Now we wait. I’m the meantime I think I’ll sit 
>>> down with her and see which bits she’s like to use on this build to make it 
>>> her own so that I can start looking around for them. 
>>> On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:39:09 AM UTC-4 schralp wrote:
>>>
 I was in a similar situation last year and made the leap. I loved it 
 immediately and almost never ride my other bikes now. Struggled a little 
 to 
 get the right saddle sorted but finally landed on a B67 which is perfect 
 for me and the way my platypus is configured for upright riding. Now, of 
 course, I have a couple of Brooks Flyers lying around but they will move 
 to 
 a new home soon I hope. I’m not really quite sure what it is but the 
 platypus just glides; like it’s floating on air. I hope you have the same 
 experience I have had over the last year and a half or so. Enjoy!

 On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 2:22:16 PM UTC-7 kiziria...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> After 18 years of near daily riding, and a few attempts at hodge podge 
> 80s mtn bikes turned commuters that have come and gone, I plan on getting 
> my first Riv, a Platypus. 
>
> It is an entirely unnecessary purchase. I have had a two bicycle 
> quiver for a majority of my adult life with resounding success. A Salsa 
> Vaya and various steel hardtail mtb’s, both capable of spirited or loaded 
> riding with more than enough comfort. 
>
> I now have the luxury of all my commuting to be done in a 6 mile 
> radius, 80% of the time. After incorporating silent retreats into my 
> meditation practice a few years ago, the last bit of riding “fast” has 
> lost 
> its appeal, and a slower, more intentional pace of life has pervaded the 
> way in which I move through the world (exceptions made for descending 
> technical singletrack ;). 
>
> This third addition, which I hope to have for another 18 years, will 
> help bring something incredibly near and dear to me—my daily bike 
> rides—into that realm.
>
> This is an impressive amount of money to spend on what most would 
> consider to be a simple, upright, commuter bike, featuring a sun race 
> drivetrain. Yet, still a bargain compared to traditionally built Riv’s. 
> However, we all know where the value lies. I will collect my own parts 
> slowly and make it my own. 
>
> A 55cm purple Platypus for me. As a designer, Im not in love with the 
> color. I find it a bit too saturat

[RBW] Re: WTB: Crumbworks KT (Silver)

[Bill Lindsay]

I knew I didn't have one, because I didn't know what a Crumbworks KT even 
is.  

Just in case anybody else is curious here's what I found:
I cut and pasted "Crumbworks KT" into the googler and it appears that is a 
wide Nitto handlebar.  Crust has it in black and silver.  It's a wide 
(720mm) swept back aluminum riser bar, that retails for $120. It fits a 
25.4mm clamp diameter.  Since it's huge I bet it's expensive to ship.  I'm 
guessing the WTB is looking to save $ off retail, or to avoid buying new 
stuff for enviro-reasons, both of which are noble pursuits.  

Bill "bumper" Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:29:07 AM UTC-7 dylantho...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Anyone selling a pair of Crumbworks KT's? 

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[RBW] Re: Boomerang Rivs

[Mike Godwin]

Heck Bill, seems like the shipping features are worthy of a photo or two.
1 boomerang Riv in the stable (Roadeo).

Mike SLO CA
On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:37:39 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I received my second "boomerang Riv" yesterday.  My definition of a 
> "boomerang Riv" is:
>
> -I bought it from Rivendell
> -I sold it to somebody for whatever reason
> -I bought it back again
>
> My first boomerang Riv was my Hillborne frame set.  Boomerang Riv #2 is my 
> R05C0 8U883 road complete.  It's the same BLUE 58cm as is on ebay right 
> now.  I'm very pleased to have a liftatube bike back in the stable.  The 
> build kit of this Rosco will get re-absorbed into inventory and will 
> partially find its way on to a very weird upcoming build.  I'm going to 
> develop a new build concept for the Rosco, and now have a frame to 
> handwring over if I decide I need to join the 26.8mm handwringers.  Maybe 
> I'll get my hands on a seat tube reamer and WOW it out to 27.2mm.  
>
> A very amusing shipping detail was that my boomerang seller had a shop box 
> up the bike.  they put the bike into a "bike box" and then put the bike box 
> into an "e-bike box".  It was double boxed!  It was by far the most bullet 
> proof box jobs I have seen.  
>
> Pics when there are pics worth showing.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Boomerang Rivs

[Bill Lindsay]

for some reason I'm on a low-ebb on my tendency to photo document 
everythingand I was desperate to get a huge pile of cardboard out to 
the recycling center, so I sliced up that box setup rapidly and didn't take 
any photos.  :(

BL in EC

P.S. the Boomerang Rosco Bubbe road is now completely stripped down and its 
build kit is getting redeployed. 

On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 11:51:11 AM UTC-7 Mike Godwin wrote:

> Heck Bill, seems like the shipping features are worthy of a photo or two.
> 1 boomerang Riv in the stable (Roadeo).
>
> Mike SLO CA
> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:37:39 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I received my second "boomerang Riv" yesterday.  My definition of a 
>> "boomerang Riv" is:
>>
>> -I bought it from Rivendell
>> -I sold it to somebody for whatever reason
>> -I bought it back again
>>
>> My first boomerang Riv was my Hillborne frame set.  Boomerang Riv #2 is 
>> my R05C0 8U883 road complete.  It's the same BLUE 58cm as is on ebay right 
>> now.  I'm very pleased to have a liftatube bike back in the stable.  The 
>> build kit of this Rosco will get re-absorbed into inventory and will 
>> partially find its way on to a very weird upcoming build.  I'm going to 
>> develop a new build concept for the Rosco, and now have a frame to 
>> handwring over if I decide I need to join the 26.8mm handwringers.  Maybe 
>> I'll get my hands on a seat tube reamer and WOW it out to 27.2mm.  
>>
>> A very amusing shipping detail was that my boomerang seller had a shop 
>> box up the bike.  they put the bike into a "bike box" and then put the bike 
>> box into an "e-bike box".  It was double boxed!  It was by far the most 
>> bullet proof box jobs I have seen.  
>>
>> Pics when there are pics worth showing.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[Keith Paugh]

Love it. 🍁Thanks John.k.On Oct 20, 2023, at 4:47 PM, John Rinker  wrote:One from today on my way home from Nelson, BC:Cheers, JohnOn Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:39:08 PM UTC-7 P W wrote:So good!P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Oct 19, 2023, at 2:20 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:<231015 Ride 03.jpg>One from this evening!On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 9:46:14 AM UTC-4 Jay Lonner wrote:Croatia is in the Northern Hemisphere… This was taken earlier today on the island of Hvar, looking north to the island of Brač. Looking forward to some riding on Korčula tomorrow. Incredible terrain, fantastic weather, indulgent food, and the company of my delightful wife.The generic Trek rental bike in the photo works just fine, and is a good reminder to me that while it’s fun to geek out over gear, in the end it’s all about just getting out there and riding.Jay LonnerBellingham, WASent from my Atari 400On Oct 10, 2023, at 5:40 PM, Frank Burkybile  wrote:Just finished a week of riding 460-ish miles through North Carolina as part of the CycleNC Mountains to Coast ride. Great ride and great weather. I was the only Rivendell rider out of the 900 or so participants and got a lot of questions and comments on the bike. I rode my early Sam Hillborne in green and gold. It was the perfect choice for this type of riding. I didn't get that many pictures of the bike but I included a few here of your review. Happy Fall everyone!-FrankOn Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 10:02:15 AM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:Here are a few from last week in Leverett MA. I really need to find a good point-and-shoot camera, I've found the iPhone can't do things justice.On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 7:50:00 AM UTC-4 allan@gmail.com wrote:Great pictures, everyone, thank you!My wife and I took our last ride of the season on Mt Desert Island yesterday. This is looking south over Eagle Lake towards Pemetic, the Bubbles, and Sargent mountains.The leaves seem a bit drab this fall but the riding on the carriage roads never disappoints. Bikes are a Roscoe Platy and an Yves Gomez.Allan, on the road back to Marlboro, VtOn Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 3:34:53 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:Carrying on with Ted's seasonal riding photos threads, it's now fall.Around here the leaves are starting to change, but today was summer-like in temperature; a beautiful day for a mostly roadish ride on a singlespeed.Looking forward to seeing where you all are riding this season.-Dave (near Boston)



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