Re: [RBW] Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[larson....@gmail.com]

I have two bikes with Paul levers and love them. I upgraded my Black 
Mountain Cycles monstercross with Paul Neo Retro cantis and really like 
them and a significant improvement over the Tektros that I originally had 
on the bike.
Randy in WI

On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 9:30:48 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:

> This is really old thread but I’ll chime in. 
>
> I found an NOS Saluki recently with PAUL center pulls. The bike, once I 
> applied a couple of component swaps, is beautiful. Very…uh…svelte, for want 
> of a better word. But those PAUL brakes just did not fit…to my eye anyway. 
> Too much industrial muscle and kind of stiff. I found some good old 
> Weinmann centerpulls, long reach—they fit the the theme perfectly and stop 
> surprisingly well. I sold the PAULS and put a wad of 💰 in my pocket. YRMV, 
> but I’m happy. 
>
> Jock
>
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:52 AM Bill Fulford  
> wrote:
>
>> I was recently gifted $500 to Rivendell. My plan was to upgrade my 2007 
>> Atlantis with Paul brakes and levers. I placed the order only to read later 
>> that the brakes are sold per wheel. That’s  more than I wanted to spend. So 
>> before I call Rivendell tomorrow morning to cancel I’m wondering how folks 
>> feel about these brakes? I would be ordering the linear pull brake with 
>> love levers. Are they worth it? 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Platypus Lug

[iamkeith]

Interesting how our tastes are so individual.  I greatly prefer the lugged 
joint.  I was looking at the pictures in the newsletter, without 
consciously noticing what had changed, and thinking to myself:  "why did I 
dismiss this model until now?  These are just about perfect."  Does anybody 
know if the bottom bracket shell is lugged?  Tigged?  Fillet brazed?
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 5:44:36 PM UTC-6 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> Gonna say I’m also more a fan on the fillet brazed variant but I can 
> understand from a cost and production standpoint why they might have 
> switched, lugs being easier to produce with less skill (relatively 
> speaking). Shame, though. The fillet brazing on the Gus was one of the big 
> attractions to me. It really enhances that swoopy, flowy look to me.
>
> On Sun, Oct 8, 2023 at 3:28 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
>> I hadn't noticed this! I liked the fillet brazed junction better too but 
>> it definitely looked like a pain in the butt to fabricate. The new lug (old 
>> lug - I am sure Allan's right) does have a clean and tidy look too.  A 
>> friend's Platy has a pretty noticeable blem in the brazing too, maybe 
>> evidence it was problematic for Maxway. 
>>
>> On Sunday, 8 October 2023 at 06:54:04 UTC-7 Marc Irwin wrote:
>>
>>> Cost was probably involved.  The fillet brazing on the original Platypus 
>>> would be very time consuming and more difficult in a factory setting than 
>>> connecting a few tubes with lug.
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 5:50:25 PM UTC-4 allan@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: 0F3B224F-E805-48D6-9A22-8F51C4323F9C.jpeg]Perhaps they dusted 
 off the Betty Foy/Yves Gomez lug…

 On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 3:23:46 PM UTC-4 CoalTrain wrote:

> Looks like the new run of Platy's are getting a lugged top/seat tube, 
> where as the previous models were welded. Very nice.

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[RBW] Re: FS Frost River bags, Nitto lugged seat post, Bananna bags

[Frank Brose]

Sure. I'll sell the cranks. PM me and let me know which ones you're 
interested in.
Frank

On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 7:41:34 PM UTC-5 John Hawrylak, Woodstown 
NJ wrote:

> Are you selling the cranks in the picture???
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 5:41:04 PM UTC-4 Frank Brose wrote:
>
>> I have the following for sale.
>> Frost River Taconite Trail trunk bag and Sawbill trail handle bar bag I'd 
>> like to sell together$165 net to me includes shipping. Like new condition. 
>> read about them here: 
>> https://frostriver.com/collections/cycling-bike-bags
>> Three Banana bags 2 Rivendell, 1 Duluth Trading 
>> $55 net to me for the Riv bags
>> $40 net to me for the Duluth trading. It's in the roughest shape. The Riv 
>> bags are in good shape.
>> Nitto Lugged seatpost 27.2 x 300 Light insertion marks not even visible 
>> when on the bike. They would easily be buffed out with aluminum polish. 
>> $125 net to me. Includes shipping. CONUS shipping only.
>> [image: P1020495.JPG]
>> [image: P1020496.JPG]
>> [image: P1020500.JPG]
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Platypus Lug

[Brian Turner]

It’s a lug that could use a little something to make it look less klunky. I’m not a fan of the part that connects the stays… To me it looks like old plumbing fittings. If it were shaped a bit more elegantly, it would look so much better.On Oct 9, 2023, at 7:51 AM, DavidP  wrote:Keith, the BB shell is lugged on the previous model. It's hard to see in most photos but the current Platypus page on the Riv site has a photo of a bare frame. I've attached a cropped portion of that image.-DaveOn Monday, October 9, 2023 at 6:30:55 AM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:Interesting how our tastes are so individual.  I greatly prefer the lugged joint.  I was looking at the pictures in the newsletter, without consciously noticing what had changed, and thinking to myself:  "why did I dismiss this model until now?  These are just about perfect."  Does anybody know if the bottom bracket shell is lugged?  Tigged?  Fillet brazed?On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 5:44:36 PM UTC-6 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:Gonna say I’m also more a fan on the fillet brazed variant but I can understand from a cost and production standpoint why they might have switched, lugs being easier to produce with less skill (relatively speaking). Shame, though. The fillet brazing on the Gus was one of the big attractions to me. It really enhances that swoopy, flowy look to me.On Sun, Oct 8, 2023 at 3:28 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:I hadn't noticed this! I liked the fillet brazed junction better too but it definitely looked like a pain in the butt to fabricate. The new lug (old lug - I am sure Allan's right) does have a clean and tidy look too.  A friend's Platy has a pretty noticeable blem in the brazing too, maybe evidence it was problematic for Maxway. On Sunday, 8 October 2023 at 06:54:04 UTC-7 Marc Irwin wrote:Cost was probably involved.  The fillet brazing on the original Platypus would be very time consuming and more difficult in a factory setting than connecting a few tubes with lug.MarcOn Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 5:50:25 PM UTC-4 allan@gmail.com wrote:Perhaps they dusted off the Betty Foy/Yves Gomez lug…On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 3:23:46 PM UTC-4 CoalTrain wrote:Looks like the new run of Platy's are getting a lugged top/seat tube, where as the previous models were welded. Very nice.



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Re: [RBW] Re: New Platypus Lug

[Ted W]

YES! I was having hard time figuring out why I didn’t like it. This is
exactly it! I usually LOVE lugged frames, but this lug feel unfinished so o
my eye. As I said before; the fillet made it flow and I think a similar
flow could have been made here with a different shape. But the way the
stays just plug in to the lug, like a plumbing fitting. It just doesn’t
feel like it he same thought was put in to the look as a typical Riv.

On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 8:23 AM Brian Turner  wrote:

> It’s a lug that could use a little something to make it look less klunky.
> I’m not a fan of the part that connects the stays… To me it looks like old
> plumbing fittings. If it were shaped a bit more elegantly, it would look so
> much better.
>
> On Oct 9, 2023, at 7:51 AM, DavidP  wrote:
>
> Keith, the BB shell is lugged on the previous model. It's hard to see in
> most photos but the current Platypus page on the Riv site has a photo of a
> bare frame. I've attached a cropped portion of that image.
>
>
> -Dave
>
> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 6:30:55 AM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:
>
>>
>> Interesting how our tastes are so individual.  I greatly prefer the
>> lugged joint.  I was looking at the pictures in the newsletter, without
>> consciously noticing what had changed, and thinking to myself:  "why did I
>> dismiss this model until now?  These are just about perfect."  Does anybody
>> know if the bottom bracket shell is lugged?  Tigged?  Fillet brazed?
>> On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 5:44:36 PM UTC-6 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Gonna say I’m also more a fan on the fillet brazed variant but I can
>>> understand from a cost and production standpoint why they might have
>>> switched, lugs being easier to produce with less skill (relatively
>>> speaking). Shame, though. The fillet brazing on the Gus was one of the big
>>> attractions to me. It really enhances that swoopy, flowy look to me.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 8, 2023 at 3:28 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>>
 I hadn't noticed this! I liked the fillet brazed junction better too
 but it definitely looked like a pain in the butt to fabricate. The new lug
 (old lug - I am sure Allan's right) does have a clean and tidy look too.  A
 friend's Platy has a pretty noticeable blem in the brazing too, maybe
 evidence it was problematic for Maxway.

 On Sunday, 8 October 2023 at 06:54:04 UTC-7 Marc Irwin wrote:

> Cost was probably involved.  The fillet brazing on the original
> Platypus would be very time consuming and more difficult in a factory
> setting than connecting a few tubes with lug.
>
> Marc
>
> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 5:50:25 PM UTC-4 allan@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> [image: 0F3B224F-E805-48D6-9A22-8F51C4323F9C.jpeg]Perhaps they
>> dusted off the Betty Foy/Yves Gomez lug…
>>
>> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 3:23:46 PM UTC-4 CoalTrain wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like the new run of Platy's are getting a lugged top/seat
>>> tube, where as the previous models were welded. Very nice.
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[RBW] Platy chain interference with VO 63mm fenders

[Tom Wyland]

Hi, I have a Platy with freshly-installed 62mm fenders. I have the Riv 
38/24 crankset and the chain interferes with the fender on the small 
chainring. Does anyone have photos of their fender trimming job they would 
be willing to share? Or perhaps the number of mm you removed?  I'm trying 
to reduce the trail and error a bit.
I've only worked with SKS fenders before and these VO fenders were easier 
than I thought to install. I did invest in a spring-loaded punch to help 
with drilling. Well, I guess I'm not quite done yet.

Thanks!
Tom
Reston, VA

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Re: [RBW] Re: What shoes does your Riv wear?

[Brian Turner]

After plugging in my info to all three of these calculators, I get basically the same result - within 1 lb psi. SRAM’s loses points with me for only listing 650 and 700 as wheel size values (boo!).On Oct 7, 2023, at 2:23 PM, Ted W  wrote:Thanks for the link, Brian. I’m adding that to the collection of bookmarks under “bicycle related calculators. It’s so funny how they’re all so different given very similar information. It just goes to show you how subjective ride feel can be and how many factors have an effect.I’ve linked the other two calculators below for the curious:Silca calculator: https://silca.cc/pages/sppc-formSRAM calculator: https://axs.sram.com/guides/tire/pressureBetween all of these, Silca has always proven most reliable… but again, it’s highly subjective. I do like that there are additional parameters you can tweak on theirs, though. Jan’s seems a little too cookie cutter.On Sat, Oct 7, 2023 at 10:41 AM Brian Turner  wrote:I think I’ve run probably 5 sets of Rene Herse tires over the years; both with tubes and tubeless. I’ve actually found that I’ve had good luck referring to Jan’s tire pressure recommendations using his calculator, found here:Tire Pressure Calculatorrenehersecycles.comLike I said, I’ve used this and it’s worked pretty well for me, especially because I like to ride my bikes loaded down with gear. I also appreciate the meticulous, scientific approach that Jan takes to cycling. It’s not for everyone, but I kinda like it.On Oct 7, 2023, at 10:30 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:This is very interesting. I use the extralight Naches Pass at 30-35 and 35-40 f/r depending on load, and I feel no flop or sidewall collapse; not until pressures drop below 20 psi. The NPs do feel more staid, less nimble in turn-in than the 28 mm Elk Pass, this on the same bikes, but not at all squirrelly. They do make those "rubbing" sounds a bit, though.I wonder if front-end geometry has a lot to do with it? I've used the Naches Passes on road customs with, possibly, steeper, more agressive geometry than those ridden by the OPs; one of the bikes was Grant designed and the other is a geometrical and dimensional near-clone of a Grant design.Or rider weight? I'm 170-175, but then I often carry heavy-ish loads on the bike in question.What does feel a bit squirmy, not squirrelly, is the Soma Supple Vitesse SL 48s, even at a relatively hard 25 psi; it's as if the rubber is somehow soft and needs to harden. The tire makes "eraser on plastic" sounds when turning; but far from feeling squirrelly these tires (labeled 48, measure 51 on 35 mm OW rims) have transformed the handling of the Matthews #1 into the much more Riv-Road-like handling I wanted compared to the vagueness in turns of the ultralight 60 mm Big Ones.On Sat, Oct 7, 2023 at 8:08 AM Chris L  wrote:"

felt like the front just flipped over on itself"That's a good description for what mine feels like.  I also notice they get really loud on sharp turns/curves when the tire is inflated to the psi that causes the bad handling.  The front tire doesn't do that when it's aired up very hard, but that largely negates the benefit of having a fat, supple tire.  I could run Big Apples at a much lower pressure and get the cushion effect without the squirrely front end handling, but they are just so heavy and both had a wobble in them, from the day I got them.  Not the first Schwalbe tires I've owned that wobbled, so I'm wary of the entire brand, now. On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 10:44:23 PM UTC-5 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:That squirrelly feeling is another thing I noticed with the Naches Pass on my Surly. It was actually the cause of a crash I had on that bike. Front end got all squirrelly on me mid corner and it felt like the front just flipped over on itself... I always attributed it to having stretched out the fit on a too-small frame (I’m 6’1” and bought a 54cm Long Haul Trucker to be able to have it in 26” wheels) and the us having shifted my center of gravity too far off the where the frame intended but having now heard a couple people here mention the feeling on the same slick tires, I’m wondering if it’s not the tires on more “touring” geometry frames, that pneumatic vs geometric trail thing that was mentioned earlier. Very interesting indeed!



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Re: [RBW] Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Ben Adrian]

I've been on the lookout for a set of Paul Racer brakes for my rim brake 
bike. I tend to find that cheaper U brakes have too much spring tension and 
are not adjustable. My expectation is that Paul with be a very nicely made 
brake with much more tweakability that I'll enjoy.  I probably should just 
buy it new to support the semi-local business.

-Ben

On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 3:11:40 AM UTC-7 larson@gmail.com wrote:

> I have two bikes with Paul levers and love them. I upgraded my Black 
> Mountain Cycles monstercross with Paul Neo Retro cantis and really like 
> them and a significant improvement over the Tektros that I originally had 
> on the bike.
> Randy in WI
>
> On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 9:30:48 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> This is really old thread but I’ll chime in. 
>>
>> I found an NOS Saluki recently with PAUL center pulls. The bike, once I 
>> applied a couple of component swaps, is beautiful. Very…uh…svelte, for want 
>> of a better word. But those PAUL brakes just did not fit…to my eye anyway. 
>> Too much industrial muscle and kind of stiff. I found some good old 
>> Weinmann centerpulls, long reach—they fit the the theme perfectly and stop 
>> surprisingly well. I sold the PAULS and put a wad of 💰 in my pocket. YRMV, 
>> but I’m happy. 
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:52 AM Bill Fulford  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I was recently gifted $500 to Rivendell. My plan was to upgrade my 2007 
>>> Atlantis with Paul brakes and levers. I placed the order only to read later 
>>> that the brakes are sold per wheel. That’s  more than I wanted to spend. So 
>>> before I call Rivendell tomorrow morning to cancel I’m wondering how folks 
>>> feel about these brakes? I would be ordering the linear pull brake with 
>>> love levers. Are they worth it? 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Deal alert: Five Ten cycling shoes on sale ($63)

[Shannon Menkveld]

Even though the sale is over, I figured I'd chime in on the shoes:

They're the closest thing I've found to the early 80's touring shoes.

The soles (on the basic version, which is what I have) are stiff enough to 
ride hard, road-style, (on the balls of the feet, with clips & straps,) and 
soft enough to do normal off-the-bike things. I've worn them all day at 
work, and it was OK. My understanding is that the higher level ones are 
stiffer, so maybe not as good off the bike?

They come in a 12.5 (US). That's pretty awesome, as I usually have to buy 
13s because half-sizes stop at 10 or 11.

They don't scream "hey, bro, lookit mah shz!!!1!!"

The combination of 5.10 Freeriders, MKS Urban Platform pedals, Soma 
double-gate toe clips, and Velo-Orange laminated straps is about as good as 
it gets for the combination of foot retention's advantages (which do exist, 
even if they're mostly subjective) and off-the-bike functionality and 
convenience that I've ever had in almost 40 years of road riding. I have 
flats (Odyssey Grandstand V2s) on my around-town bomber bike, but for a 
recreational / touring road bike, I've found my happy place.

The only complaint I have is that the laces are too long, but I've been 
tucking my right  laces into my right shoes since the Reagan 
administration, so that's a pretty minor complaint.

--Shannon

On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:13:34 AM UTC-7 Rich Lesnik wrote:

> SOLD OUT
>
>
> On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 10:20:54 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> My experience with several pairs of 5/10’s. Fantastic grip & overall 
>> durability. Big, sharp pins without any significant damage to the Stealth 
>> soles. Freerider’s I size up 1/2 size. I can wear a 9 but my 9.5’s are 
>> better. Freerider pro size up at least 1/2 size. I did and it’s a very snug 
>> shoe. 
>> That’s certainly a very good deal.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2023, at 12:37 PM, Kim H.  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> @Brian,
>>
>> Are these shoes true to size ?
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 9:35:17 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>>> @Brain - 
>>> I thank-you for your feedback and information about the FIVE TEN soles. 
>>> I appreciate it. 
>>>
>>> Are they waterproof ?  or can they be treated as so ?
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel, who is currently use my old Merrell Moab Rovers with Vibram 
>>> soles to ride.
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 9:26:38 AM UTC-7 Brian Turner wrote:
>>>
 Kim, Five Ten soles (in my experience) are quite durable. They are 
 known for being popular flat-pedal / mtb shoes, and the rubber is 
 specially 
 formulated to be "sticky" in terms of gripping pedals well. I've probably 
 had half a dozen pairs of Five Tens over the years and have ridden mostly 
 mtb-style pedals, some with aggressive pin configurations. I've never 
 experienced the soles getting chewed up by the pins, or any undue wear 
 from 
 the pedals with Five Tens. Now, my Blundstone boot soles haven't fared so 
 well...

 On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 12:18 PM Kim H.  wrote:

> My only concern is whether or not my MKS Lambda pedals with extensions 
> would tear up the soles over a short period of time. 
>
> Kim Hetzel. 
>
> On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 9:10:15 AM UTC-7 Keith Weaver wrote:
>
>> Those do look good, I was thinking this morning that some flat shoes 
>> with less mesh than my Lems could keep my toes warmer on those cool 
>> commutes. Can you comment on how they fit? Would you recommend sizing up?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Keith
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 8:03 AM Michael Morrissey <
>> michaelg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> These Five Ten cycling shoes are on sale at Adidas.com. I just 
>>> ordered another pair. I really really like these shoes for riding, and 
>>> you 
>>> might too.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.adidas.com/us/five-ten-freerider-pro-canvas-mountain-bike-shoes/GZ1931.html
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist 54cm Hunqapillar, $2250, Sunnyvale CA

[Jordan Rosenblum]

Hi folks,

I am waiting to hear back from the seller, but if it's still available, I 
am hoping to buy it. I live in Portland, Oregon, and may need help 
facilitating the purchase. 

Is there someone in the Sunnyvale area who may be able to help? I have a 
bike shop in Palo Alto who will pack and ship the bike, so looking for 
someone to help out as a middle-person for the transaction—EG, kick the 
tires, and deliver it to the shop. 

I'm in the liminal phase of membership where my messages can be delayed, so 
to be clear, I am posting this at 8:30PM Pacific, on October 1st.

Please contact me off-list if you may be willing to help out. Happy to come 
to an arrangement for your time, and to demonstrate my appreciation!

Jordan in Portland, OR
On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:54:38 AM UTC-7 dylantho...@gmail.com wrote:

> The listing had it as a 54 with 26” wheels so I asked the slower to 
> clarify. In his reply he sent the geometry chart for 51, and confirmed that 
> it was indeed a 51 with 26” wheels.
>
> On Oct 1, 2023, at 11:29 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> The wheel size can throw you off. I had a 54cm with 700c wheels, it 
> looked (proportionally) just like this one with 26". Pretty sure this is a 
> 51.
>
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:23:11 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Based just on the photos I would say 54 is right. It does not look like a 
>> 48.
>>
>> On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 1:35:59 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Needs a driveside pic. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 9:38:21 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 It’s always good to double-check these things, especially with 
 Craigslist items. My experience has been that even with Rivendell owners, 
 who you think would be able to accurately assess and describe what they 
 are 
 selling - sometimes they just get it wrong. I purchased a “52cm” Surly for 
 my wife via eBay once, only to receive the bike and discover that it was 
 really a 50cm. I was pretty upset, but mostly at myself for trusting the 
 word of the seller, and not getting visual confirmation. More recently, I 
 was inquiring about a “Waterford Atlantis” that turned out to be a Toyo 
 upon inspection of the serial #. The owner had been certain the whole time 
 they owned the bike that is was MUSA, based on something Grant had said 
 when the bike was originally purchased. Always double-check!

 On Oct 1, 2023, at 12:21 PM, Eliot Balogh  wrote:

 

 Y’all are a bad influence 

 On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 8:51 AM  wrote:

> At this price I’m surprised it’s not sold! If I had the cash I’d 
> already have made the time to go see if it fits, no matter the question 
> of 
> size! 
>
> On Oct 1, 2023, at 08:28, m f  wrote:
>
> So, looking at a Hunqspec sheet and I don’t see a 51 listed. 
>
>
> Dylan- when you discussed geometry, how did you land on “51”?
>
> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 9:24:20 PM UTC-5 Erik wrote:
>
>> Shoot.  A 54 and I would have driven to Sunnyvale tonight to buy 
>> that.  This was the bike I wanted before I got my first Riv.  
>>
>> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 1:00:11 PM UTC-7 
>> dylantho...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> it's actually a 51...i emailed with the seller
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 3:16:52 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Dang…

 On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 2:21 PM John P. in SF  
 wrote:

> Not mine...
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/sunnyvale-rivendell-hunqapillar/7671471793.html
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Re: [RBW] What shoes does your Riv wear?

[Josh Zielinski]

If you're slicks curious I'd recommend plain old Gravelkings.  I run all
650b sizes but I think they make 700x43.

You can get them in pairs for really good prices (I just got 2 sets on
bikesmiths.com for around $50-60 per pair with free shipping) and let's
face it they are made in same place as Simworks and Renes... they are
pretty nice too.  They seat easily, probably easiest tires I have ever set
up.  Later, if you decide you like slicks and tricky set ups there's always
upgrading to Rene.

Some will hate on them as tires go.  I ride mine all over, in gravel, down
trails, poor quality country roads and some city travel and they sure feel
nice to me at low-ish pressures.  Just keep the sealant fresh (add every
3ish months) and flats are pretty minimal.  I don't enjoy knobs nearly as
much except in mud/slippery conditions where they actually seem necessary.

I don't have any pics on a Riv.  But I am sure Google would net some
results.

One man's opinion,
Josh Z


On Mon, Oct 2, 2023, 8:26 AM Ted W  wrote:

> I’ve had tires on the brain this last week. I was thinking I might want to
> try something a little narrower on my Appaloosa so I’ve been a bit absorbed
> with that thought.
>
> At the moment I run the SimWorks Super Yummy tire with the black sidewall
> in 29x2.25”. I previously had their 26x2.25” tan wall tires on a 26” build
> and absolutely loved them on that bike. Unfortunately, in the larger size,
> with the sort of riding I do (spirited, urban, all-road) I find the tires
> sluggish and a bit unpredictable at times. Combined with the 25mm wide rim
> I use, the tires measure to close to 60mm wide.
>
> I was thinking about trying to find a tire with a more rounded profile and
> something that would be a bit narrower, somewhere in the 44-48mm range to
> start.
>
> I’ve been looking primarily at the Rene Herse tires. I have a friend who
> runs the Pumpkin Ridge (650x42) tire on his bike of a similar purpose and
> absolutely loves them. I’ve used the Naches Pass (26x1.8) on another build
> and also liked them a lot, but found that despite being the “endurance”
> casing, they were very prone to small punctures and didn’t handle the
> typical road debris around where I ride very well; this is one of the
> reasons I’ve typically stuck with knobbier tires.
>
> The ones on my short list are currently the  Manatash Ridge (700x42) and
> Oracle Ridge (700x48) tires from RH.
>
> I’m curious to know and see what others on the list use and have liked. If
> you have pictures, I’d also love to see what they look like (particularly
> 42mm on frames like the Appaloosa).
>
> — Ted
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[RBW] WTB - Atlantis or Appaloosa 54/55

[Adam Bowen]

Does anyone have a atlantis or appo frame that they are looking to sell? 
54/55cm. Located in Philly, can travel around the mid-atlantic for pickup.

Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: What shoes does your Riv wear?

[Josh Zielinski]

Excellent take Jeremy!

Ted, I mistakenly thought the RH models mentioned in the original post were
their slick equivalents.  My bad, didn't mean to push GK slicks on you!  In
my experience the other GravelKing options SS and SK were pretty ok but not
the same experience (even on gravelly type stuff) as the slicks with lower
pressures.  Probably a coincidence but I actually got more flats with those
models (I have become more diligent with sealant refreshing as well).

I once had a set of Terravail cannonballs on a bike I sold.  I didn't get a
ton of miles on them but my initial response was that they were very nice
feeling.  Some texture, not too much, but pretty nice all arounder.  Looks
like its available in 700c in 42 and 47.  Mine were light and supple flavor
and I think they were reasonably priced mid pandemic/bike crazed times (I
don't pay more than 50$ for a tire).

Josh



On Tue, Oct 3, 2023, 8:42 AM Jeremy Till  wrote:

> I doubt that Grant was intentionally designing his bikes specifically to
> handle better with knobbier tires. I think it's more a product of his own
> views of how a bike should handle and the tires that were available/common
> at the time he designed the bike. On the first point, he's written a few
> times defending the virtues of geometric trail, perhaps as a response to
> challenges from Jan-Heine-o-philes who wanted him to design a low trail
> bike. On the second point, most of the tires we're discussing were nothing
> but a twinkle in Jan Heine or Panaracer's eyes when the Rambouillet was
> designed, and I think it probably handles best with 28-32mm road tires
> because that was considered downright obese for a road bike at the time.
> For the Clem, certainly that was designed closer to the contemporary golden
> age of fat tires, but I still remember most of the prototypes wearing
> something like a Schwalbe Big Ben, which has more of a blockier tread that
> probably reduces pneumatic trail compared to something like an RH slick.
>
> Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
>
> On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 6:46:34 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Jeremy,
>>
>> You make a good point about the geometric and pneumatic trail and the
>> possibility that Grant designed his frames around a knobbier, more general
>> purpose, tire thus building the frames with more geometric trail. I’d love
>> to ask Grant that question to know if it was happy coincidence that they
>> ended up that way or if the design choice was really that intentional.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 4:22 PM Jeremy Till  wrote:
>>
>>> On my Rivendells I've noticed that, irrespective of the surface I'm
>>> riding on, I actually prefer the handling with larger knobby tires than
>>> with larger slick tires. This is true on both my Clem H (2016, first-gen)
>>> with 45-55mm tires and my Rambouillet (green, ~2006 as far as I can tell)
>>> with 36-38mm tires. My explanation for this is that Grant tends to design
>>> bikes with larger geometric trail. When you add in the pneumatic trail of
>>> larger slick tires, the whole thing can feel harder to turn. Knobby tires
>>> give you the same shock absorption while putting less rubber on the
>>> pavement, thus reducing the pneumatic trail. Jan Heine has noted this
>>> effect himself when comparing knobby and slick versions of his tires.
>>>
>>> My Rambouillet current wears RH (actually Compass, they're a few years
>>> old) Steilacoom 700x38 knobbies. My Clem H has 29x2.2 Specialized Fast
>>> Traks with the "Control" casing, which is an XC-oriented MTB tire with
>>> relatively minimal knobs that rolls well on pavement. In my experience
>>> there is no free lunch when it comes to supple casings and flats. Certainly
>>> the ride is better with things like the RH standard casing but my rate of
>>> flatting from glass and thorns goes up. Sealant and tubeless haven't been
>>> the solution, in my experience, and I run both of my Rivendells with
>>> tubes.
>>>
>>> Since Patrick was also mentioning them I will say that I've used both
>>> the 700x42 and 700x38 versions of the Soma Supple Vitesse EX on my Long
>>> Haul Trucker, which seems to handle better with large slicks than my
>>> Rivendells. Those are good tires with an acceptable flat rate for me. I
>>> also tried the 700x38 SL version on my Rambouillet and found that not only
>>> did I not like the handling, but the flat rate was excessive for me. Note
>>> that the only difference between the EX and SL Supple Vitesses is the
>>> thickness of the tread, with the EX having thicker treads. Unlike RH and
>>> other brands there is no difference in the casing between the lightweight
>>> and longer wearing versions. I believe that the Shikiro is the same tread
>>> as the Supple Vitesse EX with a heavier duty casing.
>>>
>>> Jeremy Till
>>> Sacramento, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 8:26:17 AM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I’ve had tires on the brain this last week. I was thinking I might want
 to try something a littl

Re: [RBW] Re: What shoes does your Riv wear?

[Josh Zielinski]

Tubeless vs non tubeless is probably thread drift...  both are fine.  One
gets pinch flats at low pressures (which has a lot of nice applications)
and the other doesn't.  I've had good luck and slight misfortunes with both!

But yeah, all about wider tires and no/nominal knobs with fenders for
anything that's mostly road-ish riding.

Josh

On Tue, Oct 3, 2023, 9:31 AM Wesley  wrote:

> In fact, I think it was Grant (or maybe Sheldon Brown?) who turned me onto
> the idea that wide tires are great, especially when they're NOT knobby. For
> the past 15 years, it's been Panaracer Paselas for my road bike and
> Schwalbe Big Apple/Fat Frank for my commute/errand bike. The idea that
> there are noticeable gains to be had from tubeless or RH tires seems like
> pure hype to me, but I may be wrong. Certainly the Schwalbe tires are crazy
> heavy and that must affect my acceleration. But once I'm up to speed, I
> doubt it matters.
> -Wes
>
> On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 8:41:57 AM UTC-7 Jeremy Till wrote:
>
>> I doubt that Grant was intentionally designing his bikes specifically to
>> handle better with knobbier tires. I think it's more a product of his own
>> views of how a bike should handle and the tires that were available/common
>> at the time he designed the bike. On the first point, he's written a few
>> times defending the virtues of geometric trail, perhaps as a response to
>> challenges from Jan-Heine-o-philes who wanted him to design a low trail
>> bike. On the second point, most of the tires we're discussing were nothing
>> but a twinkle in Jan Heine or Panaracer's eyes when the Rambouillet was
>> designed, and I think it probably handles best with 28-32mm road tires
>> because that was considered downright obese for a road bike at the time.
>> For the Clem, certainly that was designed closer to the contemporary golden
>> age of fat tires, but I still remember most of the prototypes wearing
>> something like a Schwalbe Big Ben, which has more of a blockier tread that
>> probably reduces pneumatic trail compared to something like an RH slick.
>>
>> Jeremy Till
>> Sacramento, CA
>>
>> On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 6:46:34 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Jeremy,
>>>
>>> You make a good point about the geometric and pneumatic trail and the
>>> possibility that Grant designed his frames around a knobbier, more general
>>> purpose, tire thus building the frames with more geometric trail. I’d love
>>> to ask Grant that question to know if it was happy coincidence that they
>>> ended up that way or if the design choice was really that intentional.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 4:22 PM Jeremy Till  wrote:
>>>
 On my Rivendells I've noticed that, irrespective of the surface I'm
 riding on, I actually prefer the handling with larger knobby tires than
 with larger slick tires. This is true on both my Clem H (2016, first-gen)
 with 45-55mm tires and my Rambouillet (green, ~2006 as far as I can tell)
 with 36-38mm tires. My explanation for this is that Grant tends to design
 bikes with larger geometric trail. When you add in the pneumatic trail of
 larger slick tires, the whole thing can feel harder to turn. Knobby tires
 give you the same shock absorption while putting less rubber on the
 pavement, thus reducing the pneumatic trail. Jan Heine has noted this
 effect himself when comparing knobby and slick versions of his tires.

 My Rambouillet current wears RH (actually Compass, they're a few years
 old) Steilacoom 700x38 knobbies. My Clem H has 29x2.2 Specialized Fast
 Traks with the "Control" casing, which is an XC-oriented MTB tire with
 relatively minimal knobs that rolls well on pavement. In my experience
 there is no free lunch when it comes to supple casings and flats. Certainly
 the ride is better with things like the RH standard casing but my rate of
 flatting from glass and thorns goes up. Sealant and tubeless haven't been
 the solution, in my experience, and I run both of my Rivendells with
 tubes.

 Since Patrick was also mentioning them I will say that I've used both
 the 700x42 and 700x38 versions of the Soma Supple Vitesse EX on my Long
 Haul Trucker, which seems to handle better with large slicks than my
 Rivendells. Those are good tires with an acceptable flat rate for me. I
 also tried the 700x38 SL version on my Rambouillet and found that not only
 did I not like the handling, but the flat rate was excessive for me. Note
 that the only difference between the EX and SL Supple Vitesses is the
 thickness of the tread, with the EX having thicker treads. Unlike RH and
 other brands there is no difference in the casing between the lightweight
 and longer wearing versions. I believe that the Shikiro is the same tread
 as the Supple Vitesse EX with a heavier duty casing.

 Jeremy Till
 Sacramento, CA

 On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 8:26:17 AM UTC-7 t

[RBW] Re: Another 26" Atlantis build

[Ryan Ogilvie]

Man, just built up a bike, but these got me looking to do another (which I 
can’t afford, unfortunately). Nice looking bike. 

On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 3:40:05 PM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:

> Looks like these old 26"ers are getting a lot of love around here this 
> past week. I thought I'd share mine, even though I still have a bit of work 
> to get it to where I want it.
>
> I received this 54.5cm Toyo about two weeks ago, and have slowly been 
> adding and subtracting, with lots of bits mostly acquired from folks in 
> this community. The bike itself was in superb condition. I've taken it on a 
> couple of easy rides because the housing and cables are in dire need of 
> replacing, and I just haven't gotten around to that yet... but it rides 
> like a dream, and seems to fit me really well (I'm 5' 8", with a 83 PBH, 
> riding my saddle height at around 72cm).
>
> [image: IMG_6529.jpeg]
>
> I added the RH 1.8" Naches Pass tires (measure at 41mm on these Mavic X717 
> rims), installed some Berthoud fenders, and added that little Nitto bag 
> support on the rear. Next up is a front rack, some wider Noodles, and a 
> slightly longer stem.
>
> Thanks for lookin'.
> -Brian
>
>

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[RBW] WTB: Allrounder 54/55cm

[Adam Bowen]

Hi All,

I am trying to track down a used Atlantis/Appaloosa/Platypus frame in a 
55ish. Located in Philly, so mid-Atlantic is ideal, but would be happy to 
ship.

Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[P W]

An absolutely perfect bike!P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Oct 5, 2023, at 9:43 AM, danielle da cruz  wrote:Thanks Joe, me too! They’re calling it Sergio green. It is so pretty and definitely falls into that faerie-elvish category that Grant recently remarked on (warned against?) when encouraging more black parts on bikes, but I love it.Just rode it to the bookstore for more exposure therapy, locking up to the painted black bike rack. Baby steps. On Oct 5, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:It's so pretty! I love the Vintage Rivendell Green (I know they call it something else but this was a color that appeared on early Rivs). Joe Bernard On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:03:12 AM UTC-7 daniell...@gmail.com wrote:This thread came to mind yesterday when I rode my new Roadini to the climbing gym. It arrived in Cambridge from Walnut Creek Tuesday night and I kept my Cheviot decal-scratching partner and our very enthusiastic, bike-loving neighbor away as I carefully reassembled it myself with a beer in the garage. Though they are far more mechanically inclined than I am, I would not let their less-careful-than-mine mitts near this shiny new bike. It’s my bike, so of course I feel this, but it truly is the most beautiful bike ever and I suddenly have that my bike is precious and must not be marred – ever – feeling. Fast forward to the agony at the climbing gym. Which area of the rack looks cleanest? Which other bikes will be near mine and do these bikes appear to be owned by kind and considerate people who will be careful not to touch my bike with theirs? Should I just bring it inside with me? Is anywhere truly safe???Today it is still precious as I await the first scratch, scrape or ding. I look forward to when it’s less precious and I can let my guard down a bit. The beauty will remain.On Oct 5, 2023, at 10:36 AM, dylan green  wrote:I too have a '93 XO-3 as my daily driver. I recently sold my last 'nice' bike and am on the hunt for either a Legolas or Toyo atlantis as a project. The Bridgestone is such a great bikeI sometimes find myself thinking I don't really need another bike. But then again, I'm on a group dedicated to bikes...On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:40:46 PM UTC-7 chefd...@gmail.com wrote:I was so grateful to find a '93 XO-3 frame in very good condition a few years back...I built it up as my everyday rider, with a 1x 8 drive, unfancy 26" wheels (with Panaracer Paselas), and an Albastache bar. Basket in the front and a Carradice bag in the rear - it's perfect for the job. I commute most days, taking a one-hour ferry ride across the SF Bay, exposing the bike to relentless salt spray, but I do my best to keep it clean and I've grown to love itmeanwhile, I happened upon the most beautiful Waterford-built All-Rounder last spring and scooped it right up. This one is essentially a mirror image of the B'stone, but so much prettier. I've experimented with several different bar/stem set-ups, none of which are quite as good as the Albastache, and I will probably wind up with that eventually. That said, I'm hesitant to subject it to the whims of my daily seafaring adventure, especially when I have a bike that is already built for that purpose. So, for the time being, it only gets infrequent weekend attention. On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 3:43:26 PM UTC-7 mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:I draw the line at winter riding where salt is used.Last year I used a converted 93 Rockhopper as my winter ride (IGH, coaster brake, studded tires) and on "nice" days, i.e. dry roads, I used my Bruce Gordon BLT (Taiwan model). Afterwards I cleaned and reassembled the rear derailleur  -- from maybe a dozen trips on decent days, it was a rusty, nasty mess, and so were a number of other parts. From now on, only beater bikes in the salt months for me.The rest of the year, anything goes, that's why I own bikes. I think of scratches as battle scars, to be worn proudly. But salt is just wrong.cheers -mathiasOn Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 11:22:32 AM UTC-4 daniell...@gmail.com wrote:Joyce, thank you for your kind words and for sharing that story! It immediately reminded me of a quote from a Zen master that I've spent time reflecting on, but never around my bike until now:Die while you are alive, and be absolutely dead. Then do whatever you want: it's all good. Your brother sounds like he's got this whole liberation thing down :)))Yours in RivSister solidarity,DanielleOn Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 1:55:52 PM UTC-4 JAS wrote:Danielle,Thanks for sharing your story.  It's such a pleasure to read a well written tale and I shuddered at the description of your pristine Cheviot losing the battle with concrete.  I'm looking forward to the images of diaper swaddling!  Your story reminded me of some advice my older brother gave my younger brother.  Both of them avid outdoorsy hunters/fishers/campers/boaters, they drive pick-ups for their adventures.  Younger bro gets a brand new Ford and doesn't want to drive a particular r

[RBW] FS: 63 cm Romulus

[Barbara Peterson]

Original owner 63cm Romulus purchased in Walnut Creek.  $800 or best offer
photos attached

Standard Riv Build:
Tiagra hubs
Alex adventurer2 rims
Schwalbe/Armadillo 700x35 tires
105 derailers
shimano std reach side pull brakes 
shimano sora triple crank
nitto s65 seatpost
nitto 46 cm Noodle handlebars
nitto technomic 11cm stem
shimano dura ace bar end shifters
tiagra brake levers

Local pickup only. Owner is in Berkeley CA. No shipping
Cash or Venmo

Thanks for considering

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[RBW] FS: Clem Smith Jr. 59cm - Blue

[Connor Brooks]

Clem 4 Sale - 59cm
I would like to get $2000+ ship
Shipping will likely be much cheaper than from Riv., I'm thinking around 
$125-150.
Lightly used. Maybe 150-ish miles, but drivetrain and brakes haven’t been 
used, I swapped out as soon as I got it. 
Selling as shown w/ seahorse pedals, pletscher kickstand, shimano dyno hub, 
and bosco-moose bars. 
Seat tube lug has some paint missing that happened in transit to me, and 
post has some scratches pictured as well.

Pics:
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Re: [RBW] Re: Carrying groceries on your bike

[Ted Fay]

I’ve been very happy with my Burly Nomad , 
and generally leave the hitch mounted on the bike most of the time. I’m not 
certain why trailers are not used by more people. I find it safer and 
easier to manage loads. Takes up a bit more space where ever you may be 
locking up, but that’s a small price.

 

On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 8:45:49 AM UTC-5 MisterMo wrote:

> ^^This looks great, cool bike! But why use a B.O.B. when you have an open 
> front basket and rear rack with no panniers?
>
> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:06:43 AM UTC-4 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> [image: image.jpeg]
>>
>> Just got a B.O.B.!
>>
>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 10:20:52 PM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:
>>
>>> When it’s more than one bag of groceries I take my Emory Workhorse cargo 
>>> bike with the enormous world-swallowing waxed canvas grocery bag (open, 
>>> below, rolls down like a paper bag) I had made by local bagmaker Brandon of 
>>> CycleCats. Fits A Lot.
>>>
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Oct 5, 2023, at 22:06, Brian Witt  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> so, this is my Giant commuter bikea series of health 'issues' 
>>> brought me to a place in my life where a 'step thru' was necessary..(.I am 
>>> getting back on  the Quickbeam slowly and gratefully) the front basket 
>>> is a Wald 157, and  'Kitty Litter' buckets  with fittings that 'snap' onto 
>>> the rear rackThe clips are by Klickfix, a german company, and I got 
>>> them through velofred.com.  he carries a variety of mounting 
>>> fixtures and accessories for bike bags, racks and panniers etc.   I have a 
>>> 2 leg kickstand which makes loading the groceries much easier.   the clips 
>>> are nice... when i get home i can lift the buckets off the bike and carry 
>>> the groceries into the house...yeah, i know i could paint the litter 
>>> buckets, but i kinda like the look!  
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 11:52 PM Alex K  wrote:
>>>
>>> A recent Costco run! Pass And Stow rack, Wald 139 and a few RokStraps 
 and we're golden...
>>>
>>> Alex in SF
 <0-1.jpg>


 On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:43:02 PM UTC-7 
 aelga...@castilleja.org wrote:

> Nice work Paul! I used to do the exact same thing in middle school 
> when I had a paper route for the Contra Costa Times. 150 papers balanced 
> on 
> my handlebars every morning. 😊
>
> Ahmed in Redwood City 
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 7:37 PM Christian B-H  wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_2959.jpeg]Respect, Paul! That’s genius. I bought these 
>> durable ortlieb panniers to match my wife’s old bike in pre-pandemic 
>> commuting times once she’d gotten tired of the sweaty back pack commute 
>> in 
>> the summer humidity and while boring, they do a great job! Also a Soma 
>> Champs Elyse rack up front with Wald 137 and a SimWorks RAL tote have 
>> been 
>> awesome!  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 7:28:42 PM UTC-6 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know this probably has been discussed before.
>>>
>>> If you use your bike for such errands what is your method of 
>>> transporting groceries or other items?
>>>
>>> I have one bike with a rack and a large Wald basket that can handle 
>>> a couple bags of groceries but sometimes as I rotate through my bikes I 
>>> use 
>>> the method pictured below of tying cloth sacks around the handlebar 
>>> balancing the load.
>>>
>>> I think this can be a risky method.
>>>
>>> I need to find some decent grocery panniers.
>>>
>>> Today I weighed these 2 sacks in bathroom scales.
>>>
>>> Dang...36.2 pounds. Glad it was only 2 miles return trip .
>>>
>>> Paul in Dallas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] retrofitting for Rohloff speedhub

[Gerard McMahon]

Friends, I'm wondering if anyone has tried retrofitting their Rivendell to 
use a Rohloff hub with a carbon belt drive instead of a chain. Am at the 
exploration stage.  TIA for any thoughts about this, especially if you've 
actually tried it out!  Jerry McMahon

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[RBW] Re: FS: 63 cm Romulus

[Eric Marth]

Sounds like quite a deal! Any chance for some pictures? They're mentioned 
but not included :) 

On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 12:03:41 PM UTC-4 bapete...@gmail.com wrote:

> Original owner 63cm Romulus purchased in Walnut Creek.  $800 or best offer
> photos attached
>
> Standard Riv Build:
> Tiagra hubs
> Alex adventurer2 rims
> Schwalbe/Armadillo 700x35 tires
> 105 derailers
> shimano std reach side pull brakes 
> shimano sora triple crank
> nitto s65 seatpost
> nitto 46 cm Noodle handlebars
> nitto technomic 11cm stem
> shimano dura ace bar end shifters
> tiagra brake levers
>
> Local pickup only. Owner is in Berkeley CA. No shipping
> Cash or Venmo
>
> Thanks for considering
>

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Re: [RBW] retrofitting for Rohloff speedhub

[Victor Hanson]

As far as retrofitting a frame, the stays that Riv uses are plenty beefy to
accept the Paragon seatstay splitter.   This is not cheap as you would also
need new drop outs, you might be better off with a Thron.

vtw

On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 9:04 AM Gerard McMahon  wrote:

> Friends, I'm wondering if anyone has tried retrofitting their Rivendell to
> use a Rohloff hub with a carbon belt drive instead of a chain. Am at the
> exploration stage.  TIA for any thoughts about this, especially if you've
> actually tried it out!  Jerry McMahon
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[RBW] Re: FS: 63 cm Romulus

[Bill Lindsay]

I bought the 61 sibling of this 63.  It is a sensational deal.  The seller 
is a peach.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 9:03:41 AM UTC-7 bapete...@gmail.com wrote:

> Original owner 63cm Romulus purchased in Walnut Creek.  $800 or best offer
> photos attached
>
> Standard Riv Build:
> Tiagra hubs
> Alex adventurer2 rims
> Schwalbe/Armadillo 700x35 tires
> 105 derailers
> shimano std reach side pull brakes 
> shimano sora triple crank
> nitto s65 seatpost
> nitto 46 cm Noodle handlebars
> nitto technomic 11cm stem
> shimano dura ace bar end shifters
> tiagra brake levers
>
> Local pickup only. Owner is in Berkeley CA. No shipping
> Cash or Venmo
>
> Thanks for considering
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem Smith Jr. 59cm - Blue

[Kim H.]

@Conner - 
Can you post a picture of the seat tube lug has some paint missing?
Thank-you.
Kim Hetzel.

On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 9:04:03 AM UTC-7 connorb...@gmail.com wrote:

> Clem 4 Sale - 59cm
> I would like to get $2000+ ship
> Shipping will likely be much cheaper than from Riv., I'm thinking around 
> $125-150.
> Lightly used. Maybe 150-ish miles, but drivetrain and brakes haven’t been 
> used, I swapped out as soon as I got it. 
> Selling as shown w/ seahorse pedals, pletscher kickstand, shimano dyno 
> hub, and bosco-moose bars. 
> Seat tube lug has some paint missing that happened in transit to me, and 
> post has some scratches pictured as well.
>
> Pics:
> https://imgur.com/a/x2pAl0T
>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist 54cm Hunqapillar, $2250, Sunnyvale CA

[Joe Bernard]

It's listed now as sold. About a week ago. 

On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 9:01:08 AM UTC-7 Jordan Rosenblum wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I am waiting to hear back from the seller, but if it's still available, I 
> am hoping to buy it. I live in Portland, Oregon, and may need help 
> facilitating the purchase. 
>
> Is there someone in the Sunnyvale area who may be able to help? I have a 
> bike shop in Palo Alto who will pack and ship the bike, so looking for 
> someone to help out as a middle-person for the transaction—EG, kick the 
> tires, and deliver it to the shop. 
>
> I'm in the liminal phase of membership where my messages can be delayed, 
> so to be clear, I am posting this at 8:30PM Pacific, on October 1st.
>
> Please contact me off-list if you may be willing to help out. Happy to 
> come to an arrangement for your time, and to demonstrate my appreciation!
>
> Jordan in Portland, OR
> On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:54:38 AM UTC-7 dylantho...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> The listing had it as a 54 with 26” wheels so I asked the slower to 
>> clarify. In his reply he sent the geometry chart for 51, and confirmed that 
>> it was indeed a 51 with 26” wheels.
>>
>> On Oct 1, 2023, at 11:29 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> The wheel size can throw you off. I had a 54cm with 700c wheels, it 
>> looked (proportionally) just like this one with 26". Pretty sure this is a 
>> 51.
>>
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:23:11 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> Based just on the photos I would say 54 is right. It does not look like 
>>> a 48.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 1:35:59 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Needs a driveside pic. 

 On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 9:38:21 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> It’s always good to double-check these things, especially with 
> Craigslist items. My experience has been that even with Rivendell owners, 
> who you think would be able to accurately assess and describe what they 
> are 
> selling - sometimes they just get it wrong. I purchased a “52cm” Surly 
> for 
> my wife via eBay once, only to receive the bike and discover that it was 
> really a 50cm. I was pretty upset, but mostly at myself for trusting the 
> word of the seller, and not getting visual confirmation. More recently, I 
> was inquiring about a “Waterford Atlantis” that turned out to be a Toyo 
> upon inspection of the serial #. The owner had been certain the whole 
> time 
> they owned the bike that is was MUSA, based on something Grant had said 
> when the bike was originally purchased. Always double-check!
>
> On Oct 1, 2023, at 12:21 PM, Eliot Balogh  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Y’all are a bad influence 
>
> On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 8:51 AM  wrote:
>
>> At this price I’m surprised it’s not sold! If I had the cash I’d 
>> already have made the time to go see if it fits, no matter the question 
>> of 
>> size! 
>>
>> On Oct 1, 2023, at 08:28, m f  wrote:
>>
>> So, looking at a Hunqspec sheet and I don’t see a 51 listed. 
>>
>>
>> Dylan- when you discussed geometry, how did you land on “51”?
>>
>> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 9:24:20 PM UTC-5 Erik wrote:
>>
>>> Shoot.  A 54 and I would have driven to Sunnyvale tonight to buy 
>>> that.  This was the bike I wanted before I got my first Riv.  
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 1:00:11 PM UTC-7 
>>> dylantho...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 it's actually a 51...i emailed with the seller

 On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 3:16:52 PM UTC-7 
 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dang…
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 2:21 PM John P. in SF  
> wrote:
>
>> Not mine...
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/sunnyvale-rivendell-hunqapillar/7671471793.html
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Re: [RBW] WTB - Atlantis or Appaloosa 54/55

[D D]

Adam, sent you a private message about a 55cm Appaloosa frame, fork, headset and bottom bracket in British, racing green. Dustin in VAOn Oct 9, 2023, at 12:01 PM, Adam Bowen  wrote:Does anyone have a atlantis or appo frame that they are looking to sell? 54/55cm. Located in Philly, can travel around the mid-atlantic for pickup.Thanks!



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Re: [RBW] Craigslist 54cm Hunqapillar, $2250, Sunnyvale CA

[Jordan Rosenblum]

Hi Joe,


I am not sure if your last comment was directed toward me, but as I 
indicated in my prior message, I submitted my last comment on October 1st 
(I am now replying to your message on the 8th). This is the peril of 
posting a comment when it has a timely concern, and one is in the 
probationary stage of membership to the RBW group. I am just replying here 
to clear that up. 


I don’t mean disrespect to Jim or moderators, but is a fact of a system 
that leaves posts in limbo with indeterminate rules that would allow me to 
predictably post comments. It is a little embarrassing when a post goes up 
inappropriately late, but I understand the intention to encourage 
meaningful non commercial posts. 


I was able to be in touch with the seller, and decided to pass on the 
bike—I have a 48, and was hoping to size up to a 51…  I LOVE my Hunq, but 
it’s also undersized for me. I’ve always got my eyes open with the hope to 
size up. After some back and forth with the seller, it seemed pretty clear 
to me that the bike on offer was  in fact also a 48. It’s a gorgeous bike, 
and surely will make the next owner very happy!


Apologies for the digression!


Jordan in Portland, OR
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 12:50:58 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> It's listed now as sold. About a week ago. 
>
> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 9:01:08 AM UTC-7 Jordan Rosenblum wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I am waiting to hear back from the seller, but if it's still available, I 
>> am hoping to buy it. I live in Portland, Oregon, and may need help 
>> facilitating the purchase. 
>>
>> Is there someone in the Sunnyvale area who may be able to help? I have a 
>> bike shop in Palo Alto who will pack and ship the bike, so looking for 
>> someone to help out as a middle-person for the transaction—EG, kick the 
>> tires, and deliver it to the shop. 
>>
>> I'm in the liminal phase of membership where my messages can be delayed, 
>> so to be clear, I am posting this at 8:30PM Pacific, on October 1st.
>>
>> Please contact me off-list if you may be willing to help out. Happy to 
>> come to an arrangement for your time, and to demonstrate my appreciation!
>>
>> Jordan in Portland, OR
>> On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:54:38 AM UTC-7 dylantho...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The listing had it as a 54 with 26” wheels so I asked the slower to 
>>> clarify. In his reply he sent the geometry chart for 51, and confirmed that 
>>> it was indeed a 51 with 26” wheels.
>>>
>>> On Oct 1, 2023, at 11:29 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> The wheel size can throw you off. I had a 54cm with 700c wheels, it 
>>> looked (proportionally) just like this one with 26". Pretty sure this is a 
>>> 51.
>>>
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:23:11 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 Based just on the photos I would say 54 is right. It does not look like 
 a 48.

 On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 1:35:59 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Needs a driveside pic. 
>
> On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 9:38:21 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> It’s always good to double-check these things, especially with 
>> Craigslist items. My experience has been that even with Rivendell 
>> owners, 
>> who you think would be able to accurately assess and describe what they 
>> are 
>> selling - sometimes they just get it wrong. I purchased a “52cm” Surly 
>> for 
>> my wife via eBay once, only to receive the bike and discover that it was 
>> really a 50cm. I was pretty upset, but mostly at myself for trusting the 
>> word of the seller, and not getting visual confirmation. More recently, 
>> I 
>> was inquiring about a “Waterford Atlantis” that turned out to be a Toyo 
>> upon inspection of the serial #. The owner had been certain the whole 
>> time 
>> they owned the bike that is was MUSA, based on something Grant had said 
>> when the bike was originally purchased. Always double-check!
>>
>> On Oct 1, 2023, at 12:21 PM, Eliot Balogh  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Y’all are a bad influence 
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 8:51 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> At this price I’m surprised it’s not sold! If I had the cash I’d 
>>> already have made the time to go see if it fits, no matter the question 
>>> of 
>>> size! 
>>>
>>> On Oct 1, 2023, at 08:28, m f  wrote:
>>>
>>> So, looking at a Hunqspec sheet and I don’t see a 51 listed. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Dylan- when you discussed geometry, how did you land on “51”?
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 9:24:20 PM UTC-5 Erik wrote:
>>>
 Shoot.  A 54 and I would have driven to Sunnyvale tonight to buy 
 that.  This was the bike I wanted before I got my first Riv.  

 On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 1:00:11 PM UTC-7 
 dylantho...@gmail.com wrote:

> it's actually a 51...i emailed with the sel

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[danielle da cruz]

Thank you Max and Philip!  I'm really enjoying the color scheme and how it 
plays with the changing leaves on the ground. It had its own fall yesterday 
when a strong gust of wind knocked it over at a coffee shop. A little less 
precious everyday 

On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 12:03:25 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> An absolutely perfect bike!
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 5, 2023, at 9:43 AM, danielle da cruz  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Thanks Joe, me too! They’re calling it Sergio green. It is so pretty and 
> definitely falls into that faerie-elvish category that Grant recently 
> remarked on (warned against?) when encouraging more black parts on bikes, 
> but I love it.
>
> Just rode it to the bookstore for more exposure therapy, locking up to the 
> painted black bike rack. Baby steps. 
>
> 
>
>
> On Oct 5, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> It's so pretty! I love the Vintage Rivendell Green (I know they call it 
> something else but this was a color that appeared on early Rivs). 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:03:12 AM UTC-7 daniell...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> This thread came to mind yesterday when I rode my new Roadini to the 
>> climbing gym. It arrived in Cambridge from Walnut Creek Tuesday night and I 
>> kept my Cheviot decal-scratching partner and our very enthusiastic, 
>> bike-loving neighbor away as I carefully reassembled it myself with a beer 
>> in the garage. Though they are far more mechanically inclined than I am, I 
>> would not let their less-careful-than-mine mitts near this shiny new bike. 
>> It’s my bike, so of course I feel this, but it truly is the most beautiful 
>> bike ever and I suddenly have that *my bike is precious and must not be 
>> marred – ever – *feeling. 
>>
>> Fast forward to the agony at the climbing gym. Which area of the rack 
>> looks cleanest? Which other bikes will be near mine and do these bikes 
>> appear to be owned by kind and considerate people who will be careful not 
>> to touch my bike with theirs? Should I just bring it inside with me? Is 
>> anywhere truly safe???
>>
>> Today it is still precious as I await the first scratch, scrape or ding. 
>> I look forward to when it’s less precious and I can let my guard down a 
>> bit. The beauty will remain.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 5, 2023, at 10:36 AM, dylan green  wrote:
>>
>> I too have a '93 XO-3 as my daily driver. I recently sold my last 'nice' 
>> bike and am on the hunt for either a Legolas or Toyo atlantis as a project. 
>> The Bridgestone is such a great bike
>> I sometimes find myself thinking I don't *really need *another bike. But 
>> then again, I'm on a group dedicated to bikes...
>> On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:40:46 PM UTC-7 chefd...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I was so grateful to find a '93 XO-3 frame in very good condition a few 
>>> years back...I built it up as my everyday rider, with a 1x 8 drive, unfancy 
>>> 26" wheels (with Panaracer Paselas), and an Albastache bar. Basket in the 
>>> front and a Carradice bag in the rear - it's perfect for the job. I commute 
>>> most days, taking a one-hour ferry ride across the SF Bay, exposing the 
>>> bike to relentless salt spray, but I do my best to keep it clean and I've 
>>> grown to love itmeanwhile, I happened upon the most beautiful 
>>> Waterford-built All-Rounder last spring and scooped it right up. This one 
>>> is essentially a mirror image of the B'stone, but so much prettier. I've 
>>> experimented with several different bar/stem set-ups, none of which are 
>>> quite as good as the Albastache, and I will probably wind up with that 
>>> eventually. That said, I'm hesitant to subject it to the whims of my daily 
>>> seafaring adventure, especially when I have a bike that is already built 
>>> for that purpose. So, for the time being, it only gets infrequent weekend 
>>> attention. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 3:43:26 PM UTC-7 mathiass...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I draw the line at winter riding where salt is used.

 Last year I used a converted 93 Rockhopper as my winter ride (IGH, 
 coaster brake, studded tires) and on "nice" days, i.e. dry roads, I used 
 my 
 Bruce Gordon BLT (Taiwan model). Afterwards I cleaned and reassembled the 
 rear derailleur  -- from maybe a dozen trips on decent days, it was a 
 rusty, nasty mess, and so were a number of other parts. 

 From now on, only beater bikes in the salt months for me.
 The rest of the year, anything goes, that's why I own bikes. I think of 
 scratches as battle scars, to be worn proudly. 
 But salt is just wrong.

 cheers -mathias




 On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 11:22:32 AM UTC-4 daniell...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Joyce, thank you for your kind words and for sharing that story! It 
> immediately reminded me of a quote from a Zen master that I've spent time 
> reflecting on, but never around my bike until no

[RBW] Re: Platy chain interference with VO 63mm fenders

[Tom Wyland]

Ah Ha. Mine was crimped but I thought it was shipping damage so I 
un-crimped it before it was installed.  It looked like more of a dent than 
a crimp. I don't think it will provide enough clearance but maybe I'll try 
there first. I'm running a 9 speed cassette.

On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 12:03:08 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> Hi Tom - I'm afraid I can't be much help as I did not trim the VO 63mm 
> fenders on my Platypus. I'm running a VO 30/46 crank on a 118mm BB, but I 
> think the most relevant factor is that I'm using a 7 speed cassette which 
> gives a bit more chain clearance. I don't get chain to fender contact 
> during normal riding when in the small ring but on bumpy trails I sometimes 
> hear some clattering due to chain bouncing on the fender.
>
> The rear fender was crimped as provided - I flattened out the crimp to 
> maximize tire clearance with 50mm tires which reduced the chain clearance a 
> bit. Did you modify the crimped area? I wonder if simply trimming out the 
> crimped area would give clearance for both the chain and tire.
>
> Here's the clearance I have in the small front, large back combination and 
> what my reduced fender crimp looks like:
> [image: PXL_20231009_154940434.jpg]
>
> -Dave
>
> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 9:25:48 AM UTC-4 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> Hi, I have a Platy with freshly-installed 62mm fenders. I have the Riv 
>> 38/24 crankset and the chain interferes with the fender on the small 
>> chainring. Does anyone have photos of their fender trimming job they would 
>> be willing to share? Or perhaps the number of mm you removed?  I'm trying 
>> to reduce the trail and error a bit.
>> I've only worked with SKS fenders before and these VO fenders were easier 
>> than I thought to install. I did invest in a spring-loaded punch to help 
>> with drilling. Well, I guess I'm not quite done yet.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Tom
>> Reston, VA
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Deal alert: Five Ten cycling shoes on sale ($63)

[Ted W]

For a those who missed the sale and are still looking for something like
these I can’t recommend Ride Concepts “Vice” shoes enough. I ride them with
the MKS monarch pedals and there is no sign of premature wear due to peg
damage. The combination grips so well that I sometimes forget I’m not
clipped.

The sole of the vice is a waffle pattern gum sole (similar to Vans, FiveTen
and other popular, flat pedal mountain bike shoes). The uppers are suede,
but they have more of the texture of the back side of leather IMO than what
I think of as suede. And though not advertised as such, they also seem to
come with some kind of hydrophobic coating coating. I’ve observed water
beading up on the surface of the shoe instead of being absorbed when riding
through puddles.

You can get them for about $100 on Amazon (and I’m sure elsewhere) and for
me they ran about .5 under true to size. I wear a 12.5 in them when I’m
typically a 12.


On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 12:00 PM Shannon Menkveld 
wrote:

> Even though the sale is over, I figured I'd chime in on the shoes:
>
> They're the closest thing I've found to the early 80's touring shoes.
>
> The soles (on the basic version, which is what I have) are stiff enough to
> ride hard, road-style, (on the balls of the feet, with clips & straps,) and
> soft enough to do normal off-the-bike things. I've worn them all day at
> work, and it was OK. My understanding is that the higher level ones are
> stiffer, so maybe not as good off the bike?
>
> They come in a 12.5 (US). That's pretty awesome, as I usually have to buy
> 13s because half-sizes stop at 10 or 11.
>
> They don't scream "hey, bro, lookit mah shz!!!1!!"
>
> The combination of 5.10 Freeriders, MKS Urban Platform pedals, Soma
> double-gate toe clips, and Velo-Orange laminated straps is about as good as
> it gets for the combination of foot retention's advantages (which do exist,
> even if they're mostly subjective) and off-the-bike functionality and
> convenience that I've ever had in almost 40 years of road riding. I have
> flats (Odyssey Grandstand V2s) on my around-town bomber bike, but for a
> recreational / touring road bike, I've found my happy place.
>
> The only complaint I have is that the laces are too long, but I've been
> tucking my right  laces into my right shoes since the Reagan
> administration, so that's a pretty minor complaint.
>
> --Shannon
>
> On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:13:34 AM UTC-7 Rich Lesnik wrote:
>
>> SOLD OUT
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 10:20:54 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My experience with several pairs of 5/10’s. Fantastic grip & overall
>>> durability. Big, sharp pins without any significant damage to the Stealth
>>> soles. Freerider’s I size up 1/2 size. I can wear a 9 but my 9.5’s are
>>> better. Freerider pro size up at least 1/2 size. I did and it’s a very snug
>>> shoe.
>>> That’s certainly a very good deal.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 25, 2023, at 12:37 PM, Kim H.  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> @Brian,
>>>
>>> Are these shoes true to size ?
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 9:35:17 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>>
 @Brain -
 I thank-you for your feedback and information about the FIVE TEN soles.
 I appreciate it.

 Are they waterproof ?  or can they be treated as so ?

 Kim Hetzel, who is currently use my old Merrell Moab Rovers with Vibram
 soles to ride.

 On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 9:26:38 AM UTC-7 Brian Turner wrote:

> Kim, Five Ten soles (in my experience) are quite durable. They are
> known for being popular flat-pedal / mtb shoes, and the rubber is 
> specially
> formulated to be "sticky" in terms of gripping pedals well. I've probably
> had half a dozen pairs of Five Tens over the years and have ridden mostly
> mtb-style pedals, some with aggressive pin configurations. I've never
> experienced the soles getting chewed up by the pins, or any undue wear 
> from
> the pedals with Five Tens. Now, my Blundstone boot soles haven't fared so
> well...
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 12:18 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>
>> My only concern is whether or not my MKS Lambda pedals with
>> extensions would tear up the soles over a short period of time.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 9:10:15 AM UTC-7 Keith Weaver wrote:
>>
>>> Those do look good, I was thinking this morning that some flat shoes
>>> with less mesh than my Lems could keep my toes warmer on those cool
>>> commutes. Can you comment on how they fit? Would you recommend sizing 
>>> up?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Keith
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 8:03 AM Michael Morrissey <
>>> michaelg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 These Five Ten cycling shoes are on sale at Adidas.com. I just
 ordered another pair. I really really like these shoes for riding, and 
 you
 mi

Re: [RBW] Craigslist 54cm Hunqapillar, $2250, Sunnyvale CA

[Joe Bernard]

Ah, no worries. I forgot about the new member moderation thing. 

On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 10:15:02 AM UTC-7 Jordan Rosenblum wrote:

> Hi Joe,
>
>
> I am not sure if your last comment was directed toward me, but as I 
> indicated in my prior message, I submitted my last comment on October 1st 
> (I am now replying to your message on the 8th). This is the peril of 
> posting a comment when it has a timely concern, and one is in the 
> probationary stage of membership to the RBW group. I am just replying here 
> to clear that up. 
>
>
> I don’t mean disrespect to Jim or moderators, but is a fact of a system 
> that leaves posts in limbo with indeterminate rules that would allow me to 
> predictably post comments. It is a little embarrassing when a post goes up 
> inappropriately late, but I understand the intention to encourage 
> meaningful non commercial posts. 
>
>
> I was able to be in touch with the seller, and decided to pass on the 
> bike—I have a 48, and was hoping to size up to a 51…  I LOVE my Hunq, but 
> it’s also undersized for me. I’ve always got my eyes open with the hope to 
> size up. After some back and forth with the seller, it seemed pretty clear 
> to me that the bike on offer was  in fact also a 48. It’s a gorgeous bike, 
> and surely will make the next owner very happy!
>
>
> Apologies for the digression!
>
>
> Jordan in Portland, OR
> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 12:50:58 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> It's listed now as sold. About a week ago. 
>>
>> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 9:01:08 AM UTC-7 Jordan Rosenblum wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> I am waiting to hear back from the seller, but if it's still available, 
>>> I am hoping to buy it. I live in Portland, Oregon, and may need help 
>>> facilitating the purchase. 
>>>
>>> Is there someone in the Sunnyvale area who may be able to help? I have a 
>>> bike shop in Palo Alto who will pack and ship the bike, so looking for 
>>> someone to help out as a middle-person for the transaction—EG, kick the 
>>> tires, and deliver it to the shop. 
>>>
>>> I'm in the liminal phase of membership where my messages can be delayed, 
>>> so to be clear, I am posting this at 8:30PM Pacific, on October 1st.
>>>
>>> Please contact me off-list if you may be willing to help out. Happy to 
>>> come to an arrangement for your time, and to demonstrate my appreciation!
>>>
>>> Jordan in Portland, OR
>>> On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:54:38 AM UTC-7 dylantho...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The listing had it as a 54 with 26” wheels so I asked the slower to 
 clarify. In his reply he sent the geometry chart for 51, and confirmed 
 that 
 it was indeed a 51 with 26” wheels.

 On Oct 1, 2023, at 11:29 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 The wheel size can throw you off. I had a 54cm with 700c wheels, it 
 looked (proportionally) just like this one with 26". Pretty sure this is a 
 51.


 Joe Bernard 

 On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:23:11 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Based just on the photos I would say 54 is right. It does not look 
> like a 48.
>
> On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 1:35:59 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Needs a driveside pic. 
>>
>> On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 9:38:21 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It’s always good to double-check these things, especially with 
>>> Craigslist items. My experience has been that even with Rivendell 
>>> owners, 
>>> who you think would be able to accurately assess and describe what they 
>>> are 
>>> selling - sometimes they just get it wrong. I purchased a “52cm” Surly 
>>> for 
>>> my wife via eBay once, only to receive the bike and discover that it 
>>> was 
>>> really a 50cm. I was pretty upset, but mostly at myself for trusting 
>>> the 
>>> word of the seller, and not getting visual confirmation. More recently, 
>>> I 
>>> was inquiring about a “Waterford Atlantis” that turned out to be a Toyo 
>>> upon inspection of the serial #. The owner had been certain the whole 
>>> time 
>>> they owned the bike that is was MUSA, based on something Grant had said 
>>> when the bike was originally purchased. Always double-check!
>>>
>>> On Oct 1, 2023, at 12:21 PM, Eliot Balogh  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Y’all are a bad influence 
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 8:51 AM  wrote:
>>>
 At this price I’m surprised it’s not sold! If I had the cash I’d 
 already have made the time to go see if it fits, no matter the 
 question of 
 size! 

 On Oct 1, 2023, at 08:28, m f  wrote:

 So, looking at a Hunqspec sheet and I don’t see a 51 listed. 


 Dylan- when you discussed geometry, how did you land on “51”?

 On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 9:24:20 PM UTC-5 Erik wrote:

>>

[RBW] Re: FS: 60CM Quickbeam, super nice build

[Edwin W]

Wrong link, no price. Help us out, that bike is awesome!

Single speed dreaming,

Edwin

On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 2:11:01 PM UTC-5 mrb wrote:

> Hello! More info here: 
> https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/bik/d/washington-1990-fat-chance-21-handmade/7673386935.html
>
>
>
> Available to ship, please contact off list!
>
> [image: IMG_1707.png]
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 60CM Quickbeam, super nice build

[Edwin W]

Ah! I see the link is to both (awesome!) bikes...
Fat chance for $1500.
Quickbeam for $1200. 

Edwin

On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 2:32:10 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:

> Wrong link, no price. Help us out, that bike is awesome!
>
> Single speed dreaming,
>
> Edwin
>
> On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 2:11:01 PM UTC-5 mrb wrote:
>
>> Hello! More info here: 
>> https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/bik/d/washington-1990-fat-chance-21-handmade/7673386935.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Available to ship, please contact off list!
>>
>> [image: IMG_1707.png]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Deal alert: Five Ten cycling shoes on sale ($63)

[Brendan Willard in SF]

and $70 at 
Jensen 
https://www.jensonusa.com/Ride-Concepts-Vice-Shoes-BLACK-105?loc=usa&gclid=CjwKCAjwyY6pBhA9EiwAMzmfwYsHfZH-NI3hE_eE7zbiE_b6A46sSY1ONqkuPJI1kCOnbGr7yz7l9hoCldIQAvD_BwE

On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 10:44:20 AM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> For a those who missed the sale and are still looking for something like 
> these I can’t recommend Ride Concepts “Vice” shoes enough. I ride them with 
> the MKS monarch pedals and there is no sign of premature wear due to peg 
> damage. The combination grips so well that I sometimes forget I’m not 
> clipped.
>
> The sole of the vice is a waffle pattern gum sole (similar to Vans, 
> FiveTen and other popular, flat pedal mountain bike shoes). The uppers are 
> suede, but they have more of the texture of the back side of leather IMO 
> than what I think of as suede. And though not advertised as such, they also 
> seem to come with some kind of hydrophobic coating coating. I’ve observed 
> water beading up on the surface of the shoe instead of being absorbed when 
> riding through puddles.
>
> You can get them for about $100 on Amazon (and I’m sure elsewhere) and for 
> me they ran about .5 under true to size. I wear a 12.5 in them when I’m 
> typically a 12.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 12:00 PM Shannon Menkveld  
> wrote:
>
>> Even though the sale is over, I figured I'd chime in on the shoes:
>>
>> They're the closest thing I've found to the early 80's touring shoes.
>>
>> The soles (on the basic version, which is what I have) are stiff enough 
>> to ride hard, road-style, (on the balls of the feet, with clips & straps,) 
>> and soft enough to do normal off-the-bike things. I've worn them all day at 
>> work, and it was OK. My understanding is that the higher level ones are 
>> stiffer, so maybe not as good off the bike?
>>
>> They come in a 12.5 (US). That's pretty awesome, as I usually have to buy 
>> 13s because half-sizes stop at 10 or 11.
>>
>> They don't scream "hey, bro, lookit mah shz!!!1!!"
>>
>> The combination of 5.10 Freeriders, MKS Urban Platform pedals, Soma 
>> double-gate toe clips, and Velo-Orange laminated straps is about as good as 
>> it gets for the combination of foot retention's advantages (which do exist, 
>> even if they're mostly subjective) and off-the-bike functionality and 
>> convenience that I've ever had in almost 40 years of road riding. I have 
>> flats (Odyssey Grandstand V2s) on my around-town bomber bike, but for a 
>> recreational / touring road bike, I've found my happy place.
>>
>> The only complaint I have is that the laces are too long, but I've been 
>> tucking my right  laces into my right shoes since the Reagan 
>> administration, so that's a pretty minor complaint.
>>
>> --Shannon
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:13:34 AM UTC-7 Rich Lesnik wrote:
>>
>>> SOLD OUT
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 10:20:54 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 My experience with several pairs of 5/10’s. Fantastic grip & overall 
 durability. Big, sharp pins without any significant damage to the Stealth 
 soles. Freerider’s I size up 1/2 size. I can wear a 9 but my 9.5’s are 
 better. Freerider pro size up at least 1/2 size. I did and it’s a very 
 snug 
 shoe. 
 That’s certainly a very good deal.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 25, 2023, at 12:37 PM, Kim H.  wrote:

 

 @Brian,

 Are these shoes true to size ?

 Kim Hetzel.

 On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 9:35:17 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> @Brain - 
> I thank-you for your feedback and information about the FIVE TEN 
> soles. I appreciate it. 
>
> Are they waterproof ?  or can they be treated as so ?
>
> Kim Hetzel, who is currently use my old Merrell Moab Rovers with 
> Vibram soles to ride.
>
> On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 9:26:38 AM UTC-7 Brian Turner wrote:
>
>> Kim, Five Ten soles (in my experience) are quite durable. They are 
>> known for being popular flat-pedal / mtb shoes, and the rubber is 
>> specially 
>> formulated to be "sticky" in terms of gripping pedals well. I've 
>> probably 
>> had half a dozen pairs of Five Tens over the years and have ridden 
>> mostly 
>> mtb-style pedals, some with aggressive pin configurations. I've never 
>> experienced the soles getting chewed up by the pins, or any undue wear 
>> from 
>> the pedals with Five Tens. Now, my Blundstone boot soles haven't fared 
>> so 
>> well...
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 12:18 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>>
>>> My only concern is whether or not my MKS Lambda pedals with 
>>> extensions would tear up the soles over a short period of time. 
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 9:10:15 AM UTC-7 Keith Weaver wrote:
>>>
 Those do look good, I was thinking this morning that some flat 
 shoes with less mesh tha

[RBW] Re: retrofitting for Rohloff speedhub

[Josh C]

I recall reading this article about 
it. https://www.cyclemonkey.com/blog/classic-commuter-rohloff-rivendell

I’ve been curious myself. I commute on a rohloff surly ogre and love it for 
a Midwest-winter-proof commuter, but have often considered commuting on a 
Clem or the like as I prefer the ride feel of my rivs. I was thinking of 
starting a thread dedicated to daily or semi-regular Rivendell commuters to 
see what folks are doing out there. 
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 12:04:21 PM UTC-4 Gerard McMahon wrote:

> Friends, I'm wondering if anyone has tried retrofitting their Rivendell to 
> use a Rohloff hub with a carbon belt drive instead of a chain. Am at the 
> exploration stage.  TIA for any thoughts about this, especially if you've 
> actually tried it out!  Jerry McMahon

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Re: [RBW] Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Jason Fuller]

I love this thread because Bill Lindsay had the perfect answer right off 
the bat and also predicted how it would go - over a year later and we're 
still at it. 

I've run the touring canti's and neo retro's in the past but as of this 
moment, I have two sets of Motolites (with matching Paul levers) and that's 
it for Paul stuff. My second favourite thing about the Motolites is that 
you can run a flat washer on the pads instead of the cup and cone washers, 
because all you need to do is set the angle to match the arc of the rim and 
then do the fine adjustment with the 4mm collar thing.  My first favourite 
thing is the fact they are Pauls, and this will always be the first 
favourite thing of anyone who vouches for Paul parts.  



On Monday, 9 October 2023 at 08:57:51 UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've been on the lookout for a set of Paul Racer brakes for my rim brake 
> bike. I tend to find that cheaper U brakes have too much spring tension and 
> are not adjustable. My expectation is that Paul with be a very nicely made 
> brake with much more tweakability that I'll enjoy.  I probably should just 
> buy it new to support the semi-local business.
>
> -Ben
>
> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 3:11:40 AM UTC-7 larson@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have two bikes with Paul levers and love them. I upgraded my Black 
>> Mountain Cycles monstercross with Paul Neo Retro cantis and really like 
>> them and a significant improvement over the Tektros that I originally had 
>> on the bike.
>> Randy in WI
>>
>> On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 9:30:48 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>> This is really old thread but I’ll chime in. 
>>>
>>> I found an NOS Saluki recently with PAUL center pulls. The bike, once I 
>>> applied a couple of component swaps, is beautiful. Very…uh…svelte, for want 
>>> of a better word. But those PAUL brakes just did not fit…to my eye anyway. 
>>> Too much industrial muscle and kind of stiff. I found some good old 
>>> Weinmann centerpulls, long reach—they fit the the theme perfectly and stop 
>>> surprisingly well. I sold the PAULS and put a wad of 💰 in my pocket. YRMV, 
>>> but I’m happy. 
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:52 AM Bill Fulford  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I was recently gifted $500 to Rivendell. My plan was to upgrade my 2007 
 Atlantis with Paul brakes and levers. I placed the order only to read 
 later 
 that the brakes are sold per wheel. That’s  more than I wanted to spend. 
 So 
 before I call Rivendell tomorrow morning to cancel I’m wondering how folks 
 feel about these brakes? I would be ordering the linear pull brake with 
 love levers. Are they worth it? 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: What shoes does your Riv wear?

[Jason Fuller]

I'm late to the party, and every angle has already been discussed at 
length, but I still want to shout out the RH knobbies. I'm very happy with 
them, but more notably for me is that I've recommended them to some riding 
buddies and then the good word spread like wildfire and now nearly all my 
riding buddies within that social circle, which ranges from longtime 
roadies to newbies to longtime mountain bikers, all absolutely swear by 
these tires.  None of us have experienced a tire that grips so well on a 
variety of trail surfaces, rolls fast and predictably on pavement, resists 
punctures, and feels great (better than other premium Panaracer brands) all 
at the same time. 

My only non-gushing comments would be that they do have a buzz on pavement, 
though the tone is more pleasant than most knobbies, and they do tend to 
throw pea gravel through your fender if you run metal fenders, which is 
slightly annoying. Definitely pair these with PDW safety tabs if running 
metal fenders. 




On Monday, 2 October 2023 at 08:26:17 UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> I’ve had tires on the brain this last week. I was thinking I might want to 
> try something a little narrower on my Appaloosa so I’ve been a bit absorbed 
> with that thought.
>
> At the moment I run the SimWorks Super Yummy tire with the black sidewall 
> in 29x2.25”. I previously had their 26x2.25” tan wall tires on a 26” build 
> and absolutely loved them on that bike. Unfortunately, in the larger size, 
> with the sort of riding I do (spirited, urban, all-road) I find the tires 
> sluggish and a bit unpredictable at times. Combined with the 25mm wide rim 
> I use, the tires measure to close to 60mm wide.
>
> I was thinking about trying to find a tire with a more rounded profile and 
> something that would be a bit narrower, somewhere in the 44-48mm range to 
> start.
>
> I’ve been looking primarily at the Rene Herse tires. I have a friend who 
> runs the Pumpkin Ridge (650x42) tire on his bike of a similar purpose and 
> absolutely loves them. I’ve used the Naches Pass (26x1.8) on another build 
> and also liked them a lot, but found that despite being the “endurance” 
> casing, they were very prone to small punctures and didn’t handle the 
> typical road debris around where I ride very well; this is one of the 
> reasons I’ve typically stuck with knobbier tires.
>
> The ones on my short list are currently the  Manatash Ridge (700x42) and 
> Oracle Ridge (700x48) tires from RH.
>
> I’m curious to know and see what others on the list use and have liked. If 
> you have pictures, I’d also love to see what they look like (particularly 
> 42mm on frames like the Appaloosa).
>
> — Ted
>

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Re: [RBW] Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Richard Rose]

I did a big trail ride today on the Gus. 29” x 2.6” rolled over everything & my Deore v brakes with Love levers never left me wanting.Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 9, 2023, at 8:32 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:I love this thread because Bill Lindsay had the perfect answer right off the bat and also predicted how it would go - over a year later and we're still at it. I've run the touring canti's and neo retro's in the past but as of this moment, I have two sets of Motolites (with matching Paul levers) and that's it for Paul stuff. My second favourite thing about the Motolites is that you can run a flat washer on the pads instead of the cup and cone washers, because all you need to do is set the angle to match the arc of the rim and then do the fine adjustment with the 4mm collar thing.  My first favourite thing is the fact they are Pauls, and this will always be the first favourite thing of anyone who vouches for Paul parts.  On Monday, 9 October 2023 at 08:57:51 UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:I've been on the lookout for a set of Paul Racer brakes for my rim brake bike. I tend to find that cheaper U brakes have too much spring tension and are not adjustable. My expectation is that Paul with be a very nicely made brake with much more tweakability that I'll enjoy.  I probably should just buy it new to support the semi-local business.-BenOn Monday, October 9, 2023 at 3:11:40 AM UTC-7 larson@gmail.com wrote:I have two bikes with Paul levers and love them. I upgraded my Black Mountain Cycles monstercross with Paul Neo Retro cantis and really like them and a significant improvement over the Tektros that I originally had on the bike.Randy in WIOn Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 9:30:48 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:This is really old thread but I’ll chime in. I found an NOS Saluki recently with PAUL center pulls. The bike, once I applied a couple of component swaps, is beautiful. Very…uh…svelte, for want of a better word. But those PAUL brakes just did not fit…to my eye anyway. Too much industrial muscle and kind of stiff. I found some good old Weinmann centerpulls, long reach—they fit the the theme perfectly and stop surprisingly well. I sold the PAULS and put a wad of 💰 in my pocket. YRMV, but I’m happy. JockOn Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:52 AM Bill Fulford  wrote:I was recently gifted $500 to Rivendell. My plan was to upgrade my 2007 Atlantis with Paul brakes and levers. I placed the order only to read later that the brakes are sold per wheel. That’s  more than I wanted to spend. So before I call Rivendell tomorrow morning to cancel I’m wondering how folks feel about these brakes? I would be ordering the linear pull brake with love levers. Are they worth it?



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Re: [RBW] Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Kim H.]

@Richard,
Wonderful to hear that. Feeling confident.

Kim Hetzel.

On Mon, Oct 9, 2023, 7:03 PM Richard Rose  wrote:

> I did a big trail ride today on the Gus. 29” x 2.6” rolled over everything
> & my Deore v brakes with Love levers never left me wanting.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 9, 2023, at 8:32 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
> I love this thread because Bill Lindsay had the perfect answer right off
> the bat and also predicted how it would go - over a year later and we're
> still at it.
>
> I've run the touring canti's and neo retro's in the past but as of this
> moment, I have two sets of Motolites (with matching Paul levers) and that's
> it for Paul stuff. My second favourite thing about the Motolites is that
> you can run a flat washer on the pads instead of the cup and cone washers,
> because all you need to do is set the angle to match the arc of the rim and
> then do the fine adjustment with the 4mm collar thing.  My first favourite
> thing is the fact they are Pauls, and this will always be the first
> favourite thing of anyone who vouches for Paul parts.
>
>
>
> On Monday, 9 October 2023 at 08:57:51 UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've been on the lookout for a set of Paul Racer brakes for my rim brake
>> bike. I tend to find that cheaper U brakes have too much spring tension and
>> are not adjustable. My expectation is that Paul with be a very nicely made
>> brake with much more tweakability that I'll enjoy.  I probably should just
>> buy it new to support the semi-local business.
>>
>> -Ben
>>
>> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 3:11:40 AM UTC-7 larson@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have two bikes with Paul levers and love them. I upgraded my Black
>>> Mountain Cycles monstercross with Paul Neo Retro cantis and really like
>>> them and a significant improvement over the Tektros that I originally had
>>> on the bike.
>>> Randy in WI
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 9:30:48 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>>
 This is really old thread but I’ll chime in.

 I found an NOS Saluki recently with PAUL center pulls. The bike, once I
 applied a couple of component swaps, is beautiful. Very…uh…svelte, for want
 of a better word. But those PAUL brakes just did not fit…to my eye anyway.
 Too much industrial muscle and kind of stiff. I found some good old
 Weinmann centerpulls, long reach—they fit the the theme perfectly and stop
 surprisingly well. I sold the PAULS and put a wad of 💰 in my pocket. YRMV,
 but I’m happy.

 Jock

 On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:52 AM Bill Fulford 
 wrote:

> I was recently gifted $500 to Rivendell. My plan was to upgrade my
> 2007 Atlantis with Paul brakes and levers. I placed the order only to read
> later that the brakes are sold per wheel. That’s  more than I wanted to
> spend. So before I call Rivendell tomorrow morning to cancel I’m wondering
> how folks feel about these brakes? I would be ordering the linear pull
> brake with love levers. Are they worth it?

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[RBW] Re: FS: 63 cm Romulus

[Joe Grandia]

PM Sent

On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 9:03:41 AM UTC-7 bapete...@gmail.com wrote:

> Original owner 63cm Romulus purchased in Walnut Creek.  $800 or best offer
> photos attached
>
> Standard Riv Build:
> Tiagra hubs
> Alex adventurer2 rims
> Schwalbe/Armadillo 700x35 tires
> 105 derailers
> shimano std reach side pull brakes 
> shimano sora triple crank
> nitto s65 seatpost
> nitto 46 cm Noodle handlebars
> nitto technomic 11cm stem
> shimano dura ace bar end shifters
> tiagra brake levers
>
> Local pickup only. Owner is in Berkeley CA. No shipping
> Cash or Venmo
>
> Thanks for considering
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[RBW] Re: What shoes does your Riv wear?

[Joe Bernard]

Jason, 

I'm digging the 650B × 42 Pumpkin Ridge for crappy road/mellow dirt riding, 
but they feel a smidge narrow and skittish on some of the gnarlier terrain 
I've discovered since moving here. I have room for 48s, should I dump cash 
- it's a LOT of cash - into Juniper Ridges? 

Joe Bernard 

On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 5:43:19 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I'm late to the party, and every angle has already been discussed at 
> length, but I still want to shout out the RH knobbies. I'm very happy with 
> them, but more notably for me is that I've recommended them to some riding 
> buddies and then the good word spread like wildfire and now nearly all my 
> riding buddies within that social circle, which ranges from longtime 
> roadies to newbies to longtime mountain bikers, all absolutely swear by 
> these tires.  None of us have experienced a tire that grips so well on a 
> variety of trail surfaces, rolls fast and predictably on pavement, resists 
> punctures, and feels great (better than other premium Panaracer brands) all 
> at the same time. 
>
> My only non-gushing comments would be that they do have a buzz on 
> pavement, though the tone is more pleasant than most knobbies, and they do 
> tend to throw pea gravel through your fender if you run metal fenders, 
> which is slightly annoying. Definitely pair these with PDW safety tabs if 
> running metal fenders. 
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, 2 October 2023 at 08:26:17 UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I’ve had tires on the brain this last week. I was thinking I might want 
>> to try something a little narrower on my Appaloosa so I’ve been a bit 
>> absorbed with that thought.
>>
>> At the moment I run the SimWorks Super Yummy tire with the black sidewall 
>> in 29x2.25”. I previously had their 26x2.25” tan wall tires on a 26” build 
>> and absolutely loved them on that bike. Unfortunately, in the larger size, 
>> with the sort of riding I do (spirited, urban, all-road) I find the tires 
>> sluggish and a bit unpredictable at times. Combined with the 25mm wide rim 
>> I use, the tires measure to close to 60mm wide.
>>
>> I was thinking about trying to find a tire with a more rounded profile 
>> and something that would be a bit narrower, somewhere in the 44-48mm range 
>> to start.
>>
>> I’ve been looking primarily at the Rene Herse tires. I have a friend who 
>> runs the Pumpkin Ridge (650x42) tire on his bike of a similar purpose and 
>> absolutely loves them. I’ve used the Naches Pass (26x1.8) on another build 
>> and also liked them a lot, but found that despite being the “endurance” 
>> casing, they were very prone to small punctures and didn’t handle the 
>> typical road debris around where I ride very well; this is one of the 
>> reasons I’ve typically stuck with knobbier tires.
>>
>> The ones on my short list are currently the  Manatash Ridge (700x42) and 
>> Oracle Ridge (700x48) tires from RH.
>>
>> I’m curious to know and see what others on the list use and have liked. 
>> If you have pictures, I’d also love to see what they look like 
>> (particularly 42mm on frames like the Appaloosa).
>>
>> — Ted
>>
>

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