[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Saluki Butterscotch Complete Seattle

[Matt Beecher]

I'm sorry for whatever is prompting the sale.  For anyone on the fence, the 
Saluki is by far the best Rivendell that I have owned.  I use it in a drop 
bar configuration and for longer distances.  It is just so dang 
comfortable.  

Best regards,
Matt in Oswego, IL

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[RBW] Re: New member confession.

[J S]

David, sorry to hear about your situation. I hope you can continue to ride 
for longer than you think you will but understand your concerns as I have 
seen friends with Parkinson’s and how each person seems to have different 
challenges. 

Good luck with your sale, try to keep one for as long as you can.

Best wishes

Joel

On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 8:47:47 PM UTC-4 dalin...@gmail.com wrote:

> My primary reason for requesting membership to this group is that I must 
> begin selling all six of my bikes and related bicycle gear. Let me explain, 
> please. 
> I was a member of the original Bridgestone Owner's Group, I think #912  
> ???. I joined the RBW group early on, but eventually dropped active 
> participation  because I could not keep up with the number of e-mails 
> involved.
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> I am now a retired, 87 year old, VA physician, living in north central 
> Arizona. I primarily was a road rider, (non racer, ) with some off road 
> riding in the national forest  which lies out my front door. I stopped  
> riding outdoors when we were shut down by the Covid pandemic.
> I could not risk an injury requiring a hospital ER  visit or 
> hospitalization, and leaving my wife to fend for herself. Thus, I have only 
> been riding indoors on my Revmaster Pro stationary bike.
> I have more recently been diagnosed with Parkinson's disease, am on 
> medication,, but am plagued with extreme fatigue, which limits my rides to 
> about 30 minutes. PD is a progressive, incurable disease, thus my cycling 
> situation is not likely to change .
> Therefore, I an going to try to sell my bikes and miscellaneous gear and 
> equipment.
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[RBW] Re: Anyone using an Appaloosa as a mostly-road bike?

[larson....@gmail.com]

I’ll give you my two cents. I ride a previous generation 62cm 2TT Appaloosa 
set up with Billie bars and a 64cm Black Mountain Cycles monstercross bike 
with drop bars. I ride pavement, gravel and dirt roads which can be steep 
and rutted, but mostly in good shape. I really like the Appaloosa as an all 
arounder and could see it being set up with drop bars-it is smooth and 
comfortable and very stable. I do not think it would feel like a road bike 
in any set up because of the long chain stays, and it is a heavy bike 
(although it rides lighter than it feels). Both bikes are set up with 
700x47 tires and by comparison my Black Mountain Cycles feels much quicker 
in handling, yet still stable enough to handle any rough gravel road. I 
think you might find the Appaloosa too much bike, and to me seems more like 
a mixed terrain touring bike. As far as Rivendells, I would think a Sam 
Hillborne would be a better drop bar choice for your needs with shorter 
chai stays, slightly quicker handling and the ability to run a good sized 
tire. I would like a Hillborne to complement my Appaloosa, but my BMC works 
so well that I can’t really justify it. Maybe someone will give you some 
thoughts on a Roadini for your purposes.
Randy in Wisconsin

On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 9:36:33 AM UTC-5 reynoldslugs wrote:

> Hi all, can’t remember the last time I posted.   Long-time Rivendell 
> rider, since 1998 or so; my current stable includes Atlantis, Legolas, 
> Custom, Rambouillet, Heron Road, maybe one or two others (I gave my 
> Quickbeam to a friend when my knees got to creaky for fixed gear riding).
>
> My current curiosity/notion/interest is whether I should add an Appaloosa 
> to the flock.  If any of you ride one as a mostly-road, perhaps drop-bar 
> bike, I would be grateful for your impressions, feedback.  
>
> I do a fair amount of road + steep gravel rides - - if you are familiar 
> with Sonoma County, that means Coleman Valley + Willow Creek, and Sonoma 
> Mountain Road + Bald Mountain.  I’m interested in a bike that does well on 
> pavement and rides well on steep, rutted, dirt and gravel roads.
>
> Grateful for any opinions and feedback, thanks.
>
> Max Beach
> Santa Rosa CA
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Re: [RBW] 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[lconley]

The bolt is probably 304 stainless-steel, which is an austenitic 
stainless-steel and not magnetic. Ace hardware stores usually have a good 
selection of metric hardware. Note that they do not have 7mm threaded bolts 
(thread size, not Allen key size) which is what two bolt Nittos usually 
use, not sure what size the IRD has. Probably bigger than a seven because 
it is a single bolt.

I am thinking about getting one of the IRD seatposts for my Rosco Bubbe V1, 
I haven't ream the seat tube yet.. Rivendell is out of stock on the silver 
26.8, but Soma has them and has IRD stuff 30% off today.. Certainly less 
expensive than a lugged Nitto.

Laing

On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 6:57:58 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Guys, here’s an interesting thing. 
>
> I am still getting used to my new IRD seat post and figuring out where I 
> want it. (I’ve been traveling, and I’ve been using my other bikes for 
> things so the Racing Platypus hasn’t gotten all the usual miles.) Tonight, 
> I moved the saddle to 40mm, so let’s see if that’s the sweet spot.
>
> But that’s not interesting. What IS interesting is that the bolt on the 
> seat post must not be magnetic. I have Hexlox, a funny little thief-blocker 
> that stops anyone from taking a hex key to my saddle or seat post. But the 
> Hexlox keeps falling out and luckily, sticking to my frame, where I find it 
> later. 
>
> So, I will have to see if there is an identical bolt except magnetic, lest 
> my ivory Rivet be at risk.
>
> Leah
>
>
> On Jun 18, 2023, at 8:00 AM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Leah,
>
> I am unable to the IRD "Wayback" seat post in my Clem Smith Jr. "L" 
> bicycle, because the construction of the post widens too much at the top of 
> the post underneath the length of the adjustment rail, unlike the SR 
> MTE-100 seat post. I bought an IRD "Wayback" seat post off of Craigslist 
> last year for a good price, only to find that it did not work for my needs. 
> I sold it to a friend of mine. 
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 8:51:15 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> Well, that’s hopeful!
>>
>> I got mine today, too. I have it installed and I slammed it as far as it 
>> will go and it will just barely work for me. I sized up in my Platypus 
>> frame so I have very little seatpost showing. This seat post cannot be 
>> slammed all the way because it widens at the top. But I think this will 
>> work and be a good thing. I dread moving my saddle around and tipping it 
>> this way or that. But I hope to get it perfect in the next few days and 
>> then I’ll give it a review.
>> L
>>
>> On Jun 2, 2023, at 11:37 PM, st nick  wrote:
>>
>> I heard back from my friend  Jim who received and mounted the revised 
>> IRC seatpost.
>>
>>
>> Here's what he said:
>>
>> Paul in Dallas 
>>
>>
>> "Received it 2 days ago. Long ride yesterday and it is a game changer! No 
>> slippage….my Roadini is now dialed in. Can’t wait to ride it again."
>>
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Re: [RBW] 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Leah Peterson]

Laing, the hex key size is 6, so that means I need a 7 mm bolt, then? And did I read correctly that hardware stores don’t carry the 7? Why???The post is certainly not perfect. I wish I could slam it, but I can’t because it widens at the top. It will just barely work for me, and as I get older over the coming decades I wonder if I will need to decrease the height. Then there’s the bolt. Then there’s the worry that the seat post will slip - I haven’t ridden it enough to say for sure that the company fixed the defect.But, hey, for 30% off you might want to try it!Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 19, 2023, at 8:50 AM, lconley  wrote:The bolt is probably 304 stainless-steel, which is an austenitic stainless-steel and not magnetic. Ace hardware stores usually have a good selection of metric hardware. Note that they do not have 7mm threaded bolts (thread size, not Allen key size) which is what two bolt Nittos usually use, not sure what size the IRD has. Probably bigger than a seven because it is a single bolt.I am thinking about getting one of the IRD seatposts for my Rosco Bubbe V1, I haven't ream the seat tube yet.. Rivendell is out of stock on the silver 26.8, but Soma has them and has IRD stuff 30% off today.. Certainly less expensive than a lugged Nitto.LaingOn Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 6:57:58 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Guys, here’s an interesting thing. I am still getting used to my new IRD seat post and figuring out where I want it. (I’ve been traveling, and I’ve been using my other bikes for things so the Racing Platypus hasn’t gotten all the usual miles.) Tonight, I moved the saddle to 40mm, so let’s see if that’s the sweet spot.But that’s not interesting. What IS interesting is that the bolt on the seat post must not be magnetic. I have Hexlox, a funny little thief-blocker that stops anyone from taking a hex key to my saddle or seat post. But the Hexlox keeps falling out and luckily, sticking to my frame, where I find it later. So, I will have to see if there is an identical bolt except magnetic, lest my ivory Rivet be at risk.LeahOn Jun 18, 2023, at 8:00 AM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:Leah,I am unable to the IRD "Wayback" seat post in my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bicycle, because the construction of the post widens too much at the top of the post underneath the length of the adjustment rail, unlike the SR MTE-100 seat post. I bought an IRD "Wayback" seat post off of Craigslist last year for a good price, only to find that it did not work for my needs. I sold it to a friend of mine. Kim HetzelYelm, WA. On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 8:51:15 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Well, that’s hopeful!I got mine today, too. I have it installed and I slammed it as far as it will go and it will just barely work for me. I sized up in my Platypus frame so I have very little seatpost showing. This seat post cannot be slammed all the way because it widens at the top. But I think this will work and be a good thing. I dread moving my saddle around and tipping it this way or that. But I hope to get it perfect in the next few days and then I’ll give it a review.LOn Jun 2, 2023, at 11:37 PM, st nick  wrote:I heard back from my friend  Jim who received and mounted the revised IRC seatpost.Here's what he said:Paul in Dallas "Received it 2 days ago. Long ride yesterday and it is a game changer! No slippage….my Roadini is now dialed in. Can’t wait to ride it again."



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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Saluki Butterscotch Complete Seattle

[Mike K.]

What a beautiful bike. I’ve heard nothing but good things about the Saluki.

- Mike in Des Plaines, IL

On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:27:44 AM UTC-5 Matt Beecher wrote:

> I'm sorry for whatever is prompting the sale.  For anyone on the fence, 
> the Saluki is by far the best Rivendell that I have owned.  I use it in a 
> drop bar configuration and for longer distances.  It is just so dang 
> comfortable.  
>
> Best regards,
> Matt in Oswego, IL
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Re: [RBW] 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[lconley]

The hex size and bolt size are not necessarily related. I would say that it 
is more likely to be an 8 than a 7. You need to take the your bolt in and 
have it matched for thread diameter, thread pitch (the number of threads 
for a specified length), and threaded length, but in a magnetic material - 
you should take the Hexlox as well. The only 7 mm bolts that I have ever 
seen are the Nitto seatpost bolts - it is a rarely used size, which is why 
hardware stores don't carry them.

Laing

On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 8:59:11 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Laing, the hex key size is 6, so that means I need a 7 mm bolt, then? And 
> did I read correctly that hardware stores don’t carry the 7? Why???
>
> The post is certainly not perfect. I wish I could slam it, but I can’t 
> because it widens at the top. It will just barely work for me, and as I get 
> older over the coming decades I wonder if I will need to decrease the 
> height. Then there’s the bolt. Then there’s the worry that the seat post 
> will slip - I haven’t ridden it enough to say for sure that the company 
> fixed the defect.
>
> But, hey, for 30% off you might want to try it!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 19, 2023, at 8:50 AM, lconley  wrote:
>
> The bolt is probably 304 stainless-steel, which is an austenitic 
> stainless-steel and not magnetic. Ace hardware stores usually have a good 
> selection of metric hardware. Note that they do not have 7mm threaded bolts 
> (thread size, not Allen key size) which is what two bolt Nittos usually 
> use, not sure what size the IRD has. Probably bigger than a seven because 
> it is a single bolt.
>
>
> I am thinking about getting one of the IRD seatposts for my Rosco Bubbe 
> V1, I haven't ream the seat tube yet.. Rivendell is out of stock on the 
> silver 26.8, but Soma has them and has IRD stuff 30% off today.. Certainly 
> less expensive than a lugged Nitto.
>
> Laing
>
> On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 6:57:58 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Guys, here’s an interesting thing. 
>>
>> I am still getting used to my new IRD seat post and figuring out where I 
>> want it. (I’ve been traveling, and I’ve been using my other bikes for 
>> things so the Racing Platypus hasn’t gotten all the usual miles.) Tonight, 
>> I moved the saddle to 40mm, so let’s see if that’s the sweet spot.
>>
>> But that’s not interesting. What IS interesting is that the bolt on the 
>> seat post must not be magnetic. I have Hexlox, a funny little thief-blocker 
>> that stops anyone from taking a hex key to my saddle or seat post. But the 
>> Hexlox keeps falling out and luckily, sticking to my frame, where I find it 
>> later. 
>>
>> So, I will have to see if there is an identical bolt except magnetic, 
>> lest my ivory Rivet be at risk.
>>
>> Leah
>>
>>
>> On Jun 18, 2023, at 8:00 AM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Leah,
>>
>> I am unable to the IRD "Wayback" seat post in my Clem Smith Jr. "L" 
>> bicycle, because the construction of the post widens too much at the top of 
>> the post underneath the length of the adjustment rail, unlike the SR 
>> MTE-100 seat post. I bought an IRD "Wayback" seat post off of Craigslist 
>> last year for a good price, only to find that it did not work for my needs. 
>> I sold it to a friend of mine. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>>
>> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 8:51:15 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, that’s hopeful!
>>>
>>> I got mine today, too. I have it installed and I slammed it as far as it 
>>> will go and it will just barely work for me. I sized up in my Platypus 
>>> frame so I have very little seatpost showing. This seat post cannot be 
>>> slammed all the way because it widens at the top. But I think this will 
>>> work and be a good thing. I dread moving my saddle around and tipping it 
>>> this way or that. But I hope to get it perfect in the next few days and 
>>> then I’ll give it a review.
>>> L
>>>
>>> On Jun 2, 2023, at 11:37 PM, st nick  wrote:
>>>
>>> I heard back from my friend  Jim who received and mounted the revised 
>>> IRC seatpost.
>>>
>>>
>>> Here's what he said:
>>>
>>> Paul in Dallas 
>>>
>>>
>>> "Received it 2 days ago. Long ride yesterday and it is a game changer! 
>>> No slippage….my Roadini is now dialed in. Can’t wait to ride it again."
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Anyone using an Appaloosa as a mostly-road bike?

[hugh flynn]

I'm doing exactly that.

While I originally purchased my 2018 Appaloosa as a rough-stuff touring
bike, it's really become my primary road bike (without racks) as well as my
touring bike (with racks). I have it set up as a standard road bike with
Noodle drops (and a relatively short stem given the length of the top
tube). It's definitely heavier than my dedicated road bike (1999 Heron
Road), but I can't honestly say that it rides like a heavier bike. My time
over the same routes isn't at all different whether I take the Appaloosa or
the road bike. If I had to give up my road bike, I think I could do so
pretty easily now.

On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 10:36 AM reynoldslugs  wrote:

> Hi all, can’t remember the last time I posted.   Long-time Rivendell
> rider, since 1998 or so; my current stable includes Atlantis, Legolas,
> Custom, Rambouillet, Heron Road, maybe one or two others (I gave my
> Quickbeam to a friend when my knees got to creaky for fixed gear riding).
>
> My current curiosity/notion/interest is whether I should add an Appaloosa
> to the flock.  If any of you ride one as a mostly-road, perhaps drop-bar
> bike, I would be grateful for your impressions, feedback.
>
> I do a fair amount of road + steep gravel rides - - if you are familiar
> with Sonoma County, that means Coleman Valley + Willow Creek, and Sonoma
> Mountain Road + Bald Mountain.  I’m interested in a bike that does well on
> pavement and rides well on steep, rutted, dirt and gravel roads.
>
> Grateful for any opinions and feedback, thanks.
>
> Max Beach
> Santa Rosa CA
>
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Re: [RBW] Anyone using an Appaloosa as a mostly-road bike?

[Valerie Yates]

I bought an Appaloosa when I was looking for a loaded touring bike for 
pavement and it has been stellar for that. Mine is a 51 with 650B 
wheels. I’ve climbed a bunch of passes on it with front and rear panniers, 
enjoying the awesome views. As it happens, my very first long ride on it 
was a steep rutted dirt/gravel mountain climb and it was glorious. So 
memorably fun and capable. More recently, I’ve been doing more supported 
tours so I’ve  been thinking I should take off the big front rack and give 
it another life as a dirt/gravel climbing bike. I am not sure what size 
tire it can fit. 

On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 7:30:41 AM UTC-6 Hugh Flynn wrote:

> I'm doing exactly that. 
>
> While I originally purchased my 2018 Appaloosa as a rough-stuff touring 
> bike, it's really become my primary road bike (without racks) as well as my 
> touring bike (with racks). I have it set up as a standard road bike with 
> Noodle drops (and a relatively short stem given the length of the top 
> tube). It's definitely heavier than my dedicated road bike (1999 Heron 
> Road), but I can't honestly say that it rides like a heavier bike. My time 
> over the same routes isn't at all different whether I take the Appaloosa or 
> the road bike. If I had to give up my road bike, I think I could do so 
> pretty easily now. 
>
> On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 10:36 AM reynoldslugs  wrote:
>
>> Hi all, can’t remember the last time I posted.   Long-time Rivendell 
>> rider, since 1998 or so; my current stable includes Atlantis, Legolas, 
>> Custom, Rambouillet, Heron Road, maybe one or two others (I gave my 
>> Quickbeam to a friend when my knees got to creaky for fixed gear riding).
>>
>> My current curiosity/notion/interest is whether I should add an Appaloosa 
>> to the flock.  If any of you ride one as a mostly-road, perhaps drop-bar 
>> bike, I would be grateful for your impressions, feedback.  
>>
>> I do a fair amount of road + steep gravel rides - - if you are familiar 
>> with Sonoma County, that means Coleman Valley + Willow Creek, and Sonoma 
>> Mountain Road + Bald Mountain.  I’m interested in a bike that does well on 
>> pavement and rides well on steep, rutted, dirt and gravel roads.
>>
>> Grateful for any opinions and feedback, thanks.
>>
>> Max Beach
>> Santa Rosa CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Anyone using an Appaloosa as a mostly-road bike?

[Davey Two Shoes]

I think you're better off with a Sam. I love that it can ride any terrain a 
"gravel bike" can but it does so while feeling like a road bike and not 
some sort of cross breed.

On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 9:45:01 AM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:

> I bought an Appaloosa when I was looking for a loaded touring bike for 
> pavement and it has been stellar for that. Mine is a 51 with 650B 
> wheels. I’ve climbed a bunch of passes on it with front and rear panniers, 
> enjoying the awesome views. As it happens, my very first long ride on it 
> was a steep rutted dirt/gravel mountain climb and it was glorious. So 
> memorably fun and capable. More recently, I’ve been doing more supported 
> tours so I’ve  been thinking I should take off the big front rack and give 
> it another life as a dirt/gravel climbing bike. I am not sure what size 
> tire it can fit. 
>
> On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 7:30:41 AM UTC-6 Hugh Flynn wrote:
>
>> I'm doing exactly that. 
>>
>> While I originally purchased my 2018 Appaloosa as a rough-stuff touring 
>> bike, it's really become my primary road bike (without racks) as well as my 
>> touring bike (with racks). I have it set up as a standard road bike with 
>> Noodle drops (and a relatively short stem given the length of the top 
>> tube). It's definitely heavier than my dedicated road bike (1999 Heron 
>> Road), but I can't honestly say that it rides like a heavier bike. My time 
>> over the same routes isn't at all different whether I take the Appaloosa or 
>> the road bike. If I had to give up my road bike, I think I could do so 
>> pretty easily now. 
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 10:36 AM reynoldslugs  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, can’t remember the last time I posted.   Long-time Rivendell 
>>> rider, since 1998 or so; my current stable includes Atlantis, Legolas, 
>>> Custom, Rambouillet, Heron Road, maybe one or two others (I gave my 
>>> Quickbeam to a friend when my knees got to creaky for fixed gear riding).
>>>
>>> My current curiosity/notion/interest is whether I should add an 
>>> Appaloosa to the flock.  If any of you ride one as a mostly-road, perhaps 
>>> drop-bar bike, I would be grateful for your impressions, feedback.  
>>>
>>> I do a fair amount of road + steep gravel rides - - if you are familiar 
>>> with Sonoma County, that means Coleman Valley + Willow Creek, and Sonoma 
>>> Mountain Road + Bald Mountain.  I’m interested in a bike that does well on 
>>> pavement and rides well on steep, rutted, dirt and gravel roads.
>>>
>>> Grateful for any opinions and feedback, thanks.
>>>
>>> Max Beach
>>> Santa Rosa CA
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[RBW] Re: SunTour Shifter, plastic washer falling apart.

[R. Alexis]

I noticed in a few Rivendell employee and Grant's bikes the brass washer. I 
know in the past Grant has mentioned replacing that plastic washer with a 
solid brass one, but that the cost was prohibitive. I figured the ones 
showing on their bikes were prototypes or fabricated solid ones. I have the 
original Suntour Sprint shifters on my Schwinn and got a set of the 
Rivendell Silver 2 shifters a short while ago. I got the replacement black 
washers to have on hand just in case years ago for my Sprint shifters. 
Looks like they compromised on the making of the Silver 2 shifters by 
incorporating an alloy washer cover over the plastic. Wonder if you could 
reduce the inner hole indentation on that domed brass washer to do the same 
thing.

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis  

On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 7:47:21 PM UTC-5 getjosh...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've got SunTour bar end shifters on my Atlantis and one of the plastic 
> washers is falling apart. It's mostly gone at this point and there is a 
> fair bit of play in that shifter. Two questions for the group. 
> 1. can this be replaced?
> 2. would this brass dome washer from Riv 
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/brass-dome-washer?variant=41087107530863 
> do the trick, or can those only be used on the silver product. I know that 
> the silver shifters are nearly a copy of the Shimano pod and SunTour 
> shifter. 
>
> https://flic.kr/ps/42sftk
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto M18 rack

[velomann]

The M-18 - and Nitto racks in general - are getting increasingly difficult 
to obtain. I work in a shop with a QBP account, and waited over 6 months 
for them to come in stock, I got 1 only because I had it on Item 
Reservation. They sold out the day they re-stocked. No current re-supply 
date available. 

Mike M

On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 9:35:35 AM UTC-7 Kieran J wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I need this rack to play well with my v-brakes.
> Let me know if you have one to sell.
>
> Thanks,
> Kieran
> Victoria, BC
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[RBW] ISO 44 t 110 bcd chainring silver VG/new

[Patrick Moore]

Does anyone have one? Have a few rings of my own plus other stuff to trade.

I want to keep the gearing I have with 60+ mm Big Ones when I switch to 48
mm- Supple Vitesse SLs by swapping the 42 outer for a 44.

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[RBW] Re: 3-speeding Quickbeams and SimpleOnes

[Drew Saunders]

My orange Quickbeam came set up as a "2 speed" with 32-40-chainguard 
chainrings on a 74/110 triple (still has those) plus an 18t freewheel.
I immediately made it a "3 speed" with a 17/19 Dos Eno freewheel. The chain 
is too slack for the 32/17 to work, so only 3 options: 40/17 (99% of my 
riding), 40/19, 32/19.
I later added a 22T freewheel to the flip side of the flip/flop hub, which 
will work with the 32, but not the 40, so I have an extremely inconvenient 
4-speed.

I rarely take it out of the 40/17, but the headwinds this morning made me 
wonder if I should have used the 40/19.

All of that was much cheaper and easier than getting an internally geared 
hub, and if I did go for an IGH, I'd get a modern 7 or 8 speed anyway.

On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 1:57:29 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> There have been threads recently about 2- and 3-speeding Quickbeams and 
> SimpleOnes using multiple chainrings, front derailleur, and rear chain 
> takeup device. I'm curious why people don't use Sturmey Archer AWs? The AW 
> has (per late '90s study by the Human Powered Vehicle Association) as 
> little drag as a clean, well set up derailleur system, and an IGH preserves 
> the simplicity and clean aesthetic of a ss or fixed gear, barring a small 
> cable and shift mechanism.
>
> Pray, why the choice of multiple rings, fd, and rear tensioner? Is it the 
> big jumps in the AW gearing?
>
> Long ago (1990 IIRC) I set up a beater Schwinn 3 speed as a poor man's 
> mountain bike (my companion's Diamond Back was recent with only 6 rear 
> cogs) with a 36 to ring to give, with the 18 t AW cog, 69", 52", and 39" 
> gears, and it did good service on 1 well-remembered ride on very hilly jeep 
> tracks -- and an aside: the Ashtabula crank was a miracle of cheap and 
> durable manufacturing compared to the cottered system.
>
> But 69"-52"-39" is a very useful gear spread.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: SunTour Shifter, plastic washer falling apart.

[getjosh...@gmail.com]

Thank you Eric. I enjoy your YouTube videos BTW.

On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 10:34:10 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: Screenshot 2023-06-19 at 10.27.23 AM.png]
>
> Hey Josh, the brass washers will remedy the cracked washer in the picture 
> you linked. The brass washers from Rivendell fit these great. 
>
> I ran the brass washers on my bikes for a while then tipped off our 
> friends at Rivendell that these stock washers fit their shifters. 
>
> [image: IMG_6505.JPG]
>
> You can likely find the washers at your nearest hardware store.  Their 
> technical name is #12 cup washers (also called counter-sunk washers or 
> finishing washers), they're less than a quarter each (maybe much less). 
> They do fit Silver 1 and Silver 2 shifters as well as Simplex Retro 
> Friction as Eliot mentioned. 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 10:23:06 PM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> For a dollar it’s probably worth a shot. It fits on my simplex shifters…
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 6:40 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> I could be wrong but that brass dome looks too big for the original 
>>> Silver1 (and Suntour Sprint) downtube/bar-end shifters. I know this piece 
>>> will work, I recommend calling Riv before ordering the brass one (which I 
>>> think only fits the Silver2 thumbshifter). 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/silver-shifter-plastic-replacement-washers-pair
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 5:47:21 PM UTC-7 getjosh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I've got SunTour bar end shifters on my Atlantis and one of the plastic 
 washers is falling apart. It's mostly gone at this point and there is a 
 fair bit of play in that shifter. Two questions for the group. 
 1. can this be replaced?
 2. would this brass dome washer from Riv 
 https://www.rivbike.com/products/brass-dome-washer?variant=41087107530863 
 do the trick, or can those only be used on the silver product. I know that 
 the silver shifters are nearly a copy of the Shimano pod and SunTour 
 shifter. 

 https://flic.kr/ps/42sftk

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[RBW] Re: SunTour Shifter, plastic washer falling apart.

[getjosh...@gmail.com]

Thank you all for the replies. I'll give those washers a try. I may look at 
a few local places for them before ordering. It'll give me a reason to ride 
around anyway. 

Sorry for the bad pic link. I tried to post pics for about 20 minutes the 
other day and a flickr link was the closest I could get. 

On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 11:27:28 AM UTC-4 R. Alexis wrote:

> I noticed in a few Rivendell employee and Grant's bikes the brass washer. 
> I know in the past Grant has mentioned replacing that plastic washer with a 
> solid brass one, but that the cost was prohibitive. I figured the ones 
> showing on their bikes were prototypes or fabricated solid ones. I have the 
> original Suntour Sprint shifters on my Schwinn and got a set of the 
> Rivendell Silver 2 shifters a short while ago. I got the replacement black 
> washers to have on hand just in case years ago for my Sprint shifters. 
> Looks like they compromised on the making of the Silver 2 shifters by 
> incorporating an alloy washer cover over the plastic. Wonder if you could 
> reduce the inner hole indentation on that domed brass washer to do the same 
> thing.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Reginald Alexis  
>
> On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 7:47:21 PM UTC-5 getjosh...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've got SunTour bar end shifters on my Atlantis and one of the plastic 
>> washers is falling apart. It's mostly gone at this point and there is a 
>> fair bit of play in that shifter. Two questions for the group. 
>> 1. can this be replaced?
>> 2. would this brass dome washer from Riv 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/brass-dome-washer?variant=41087107530863 
>> do the trick, or can those only be used on the silver product. I know that 
>> the silver shifters are nearly a copy of the Shimano pod and SunTour 
>> shifter. 
>>
>> https://flic.kr/ps/42sftk
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone using an Appaloosa as a mostly-road bike?

[Collin A]

I had my 51 650b Joe setup as a mostly road/dirt touring bike for a couple 
years, and it has gone through many iterations since then (currently living 
life as a 1x9 flatland commuter). Is it a road race bike? No. Is it a fun 
bike to ride on the road and connect the many dirt trails/roads/etc. that a 
road bike would struggle on? Yes. 

It was already mentioned, but short stems are your friend, and personally I 
like the more modern-style drops with shorter reach and drop. A couple 
photos for inspiration from Auburn area dirt trails:

I'd think your legolas would fit that niche better than a Joe, but at the 
same time I wouldn't dare suggest to someone on this list to not buy 
another Rivendell.

Cheers,
Collin in Sunny Berkeley

On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 7:36:33 AM UTC-7 reynoldslugs wrote:

> Hi all, can’t remember the last time I posted.   Long-time Rivendell 
> rider, since 1998 or so; my current stable includes Atlantis, Legolas, 
> Custom, Rambouillet, Heron Road, maybe one or two others (I gave my 
> Quickbeam to a friend when my knees got to creaky for fixed gear riding).
>
> My current curiosity/notion/interest is whether I should add an Appaloosa 
> to the flock.  If any of you ride one as a mostly-road, perhaps drop-bar 
> bike, I would be grateful for your impressions, feedback.  
>
> I do a fair amount of road + steep gravel rides - - if you are familiar 
> with Sonoma County, that means Coleman Valley + Willow Creek, and Sonoma 
> Mountain Road + Bald Mountain.  I’m interested in a bike that does well on 
> pavement and rides well on steep, rutted, dirt and gravel roads.
>
> Grateful for any opinions and feedback, thanks.
>
> Max Beach
> Santa Rosa CA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 3-speeding Quickbeams and SimpleOnes

[Patrick Moore]

In defense of the old 3 speed igh, the drag, at least for the old SA AW,
has been tested at considerably less than that of much more complex,
multi-epicycle internal gear trains with 7+ gears, and my experience
(considerable with 2 and 3 speed SA hubs, only a little, but some with
modern 7+ gear hubs) bears this out very clearly.

IMO, the simplicity and low drag (and lower weight) of the simpler
multigear hubs makes them preferable, at least to me, to the more complex,
draggier, and heavier ones.

I have a QR 17/19 Dingle wheel on my Riv 1999 fixed gear road custom and
switching from the 76" to a 68" headwind gear is very easy, but I noticed
that I downshifted much more often and readily with the 2 speed TC hub (76"
direct and 66" underdrive), helpful when your direction into the wind or
the slope of the terrain changes often. My point is not that you ("all
y'all") should go get a TC -- last made in the 1940s? Mine is 1937 -- but
that igh's do offer some benefits over manual "get off the bike and move
the chain" shifting.

Personally, I perfer the external simplicity of a simple igh over multiple
cogs or rings, and I prefer multiple cogs over multiple rings, again for
simplicity and ease of use. AAYMMAWV.

I get back to that downgeared AW Schwinn: 69", 52", 39" which for a
$50-total-expenditure beater including new 36 t chainring + shop
labor (1989) proved to be very versatile indeed.


On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 10:32 AM Drew Saunders 
wrote:

> My orange Quickbeam came set up as a "2 speed" with 32-40-chainguard
> chainrings on a 74/110 triple (still has those) plus an 18t freewheel.
> I immediately made it a "3 speed" with a 17/19 Dos Eno freewheel. The
> chain is too slack for the 32/17 to work, so only 3 options: 40/17 (99% of
> my riding), 40/19, 32/19.
> I later added a 22T freewheel to the flip side of the flip/flop hub, which
> will work with the 32, but not the 40, so I have an extremely inconvenient
> 4-speed.
>
> I rarely take it out of the 40/17, but the headwinds this morning made me
> wonder if I should have used the 40/19.
>
> All of that was much cheaper and easier than getting an internally geared
> hub, and if I did go for an IGH, I'd get a modern 7 or 8 speed anyway.
>

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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Summer Riding Photos 2023

[DavidP]

Patrick, this is in Harvard, MA; my area of Massachusetts doesn't have a 
ton of hills high enough to give overlooks but this is a decent one. The 
bike is a Soma Pescadero with 700x33s under the VO fenders and Diacompe 
GC610 centerpulls - somewhat inspired by some of the Rambouillet / Romulus 
builds I've seen.

On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 3:03:05 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> David: Where was this photo taken? Beautiful SOMA -- what model? -- and 
> beautiful scenery (as is that in the Seattle and BC and Oakland photos).
>
> Patrick Moore, who must take some bosque acequia-trail photos with the 
> cottonwood fluff in the air.
>
> On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 10:51 AM DavidP  wrote:
>
>> Taking in the view at the top of the hill this morning.
>>
>> [image: PXL_20230619_130242278_prospect--hill-1800.jpg]
>>
>> On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 7:34:16 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> A fine ride along Nakusp/Slocan trail skirting the Slocan Lake in 
>>> British Columbia. All alone save for the bears and the birds.
>>> [image: IMG_1311.jpeg]
>>> [image: IMG_1312.jpeg]
>>> On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 11:20:15 AM UTC-7 dblue...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Here's a mini ride report from my annual birthday ride this past 
 weekend, first birthday ride since I got my Homer. The route was ~53 miles 
 from home in Oakland to Samuel P. Taylor state park, by way of the 
 Richmond/San Rafael bridge and the Bolinas Ridge trail. This was my first 
 time on the Bolinas Ridge trail, and I was surprised by the contrast 
 between how wet it was with the mist up at the top, where moisture was 
 dripping down on us from the redwoods:
 [image: IMG_0553.jpg]

 there were lot of mud puddles and loose organic material to ride 
 through (here's some of what was still on my bike by the end of the ride):
 [image: IMG_0571.jpg]

 contrasted with the dry meadow just a few miles to the northwest where 
 the skies were blue and we picked up a couple hitchiking ticks:
 [image: IMG_0566.jpg]
 My riding buddies rated this route a top-tier birthday ride out of the 
 10 years I've been doing these rides (one friend has ridden all but one of 
 these rides with me. And, of course, I'm not 10 years old, I just took up 
 the tradition 10 years ago). Family came up by car with picnic and camping 
 supplies for an overnighter at the park, and here's the bike ready for the 
 more direct 35 mile ride home the next day:
 [image: IMG_0572.jpg]
 [image: IMG_0573.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Summer Riding Photos 2023

[J G]

Beautiful spot.  Looks like an overlook near Fruitlands.

Nice area for a ride.  Have not bicycled through there, but spent many days 
motorcycling the region when I lived in Boston in the 90s for college.

On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 3:06:50 PM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:

> Patrick, this is in Harvard, MA; my area of Massachusetts doesn't have a 
> ton of hills high enough to give overlooks but this is a decent one. The 
> bike is a Soma Pescadero with 700x33s under the VO fenders and Diacompe 
> GC610 centerpulls - somewhat inspired by some of the Rambouillet / Romulus 
> builds I've seen.
>
> On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 3:03:05 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> David: Where was this photo taken? Beautiful SOMA -- what model? -- and 
>> beautiful scenery (as is that in the Seattle and BC and Oakland photos).
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who must take some bosque acequia-trail photos with the 
>> cottonwood fluff in the air.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 10:51 AM DavidP  wrote:
>>
>>> Taking in the view at the top of the hill this morning.
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20230619_130242278_prospect--hill-1800.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 7:34:16 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 A fine ride along Nakusp/Slocan trail skirting the Slocan Lake in 
 British Columbia. All alone save for the bears and the birds.
 [image: IMG_1311.jpeg]
 [image: IMG_1312.jpeg]
 On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 11:20:15 AM UTC-7 dblue...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Here's a mini ride report from my annual birthday ride this past 
> weekend, first birthday ride since I got my Homer. The route was ~53 
> miles 
> from home in Oakland to Samuel P. Taylor state park, by way of the 
> Richmond/San Rafael bridge and the Bolinas Ridge trail. This was my first 
> time on the Bolinas Ridge trail, and I was surprised by the contrast 
> between how wet it was with the mist up at the top, where moisture was 
> dripping down on us from the redwoods:
> [image: IMG_0553.jpg]
>
> there were lot of mud puddles and loose organic material to ride 
> through (here's some of what was still on my bike by the end of the ride):
> [image: IMG_0571.jpg]
>
> contrasted with the dry meadow just a few miles to the northwest where 
> the skies were blue and we picked up a couple hitchiking ticks:
> [image: IMG_0566.jpg]
> My riding buddies rated this route a top-tier birthday ride out of the 
> 10 years I've been doing these rides (one friend has ridden all but one 
> of 
> these rides with me. And, of course, I'm not 10 years old, I just took up 
> the tradition 10 years ago). Family came up by car with picnic and 
> camping 
> supplies for an overnighter at the park, and here's the bike ready for 
> the 
> more direct 35 mile ride home the next day:
> [image: IMG_0572.jpg]
> [image: IMG_0573.jpg]
> --dan
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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Summer Riding Photos 2023

[Patrick Moore]

>From Wikipedia and the photos Google brought up, what a wonderful area,
both as to the landscape and as to the social history -- Shakers and other
utopianists who, even if one deprecates their naif attempts at
human-constructed social perfection, at least sought to transcend petty
commercial mundanity, and to do so in a beautiful natural environment.

The stone wall made me think of rural Britain but the extent and relative
"spareness" of the landscape (and the  mortar in the wall) made me think of
NA.

>From the SOMA website the Pescadero does seem to be a near cousin to the
Rambouillet. Again, the aesthetic of the bike matches that of the landscape.

On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 2:06 PM DavidP  wrote:

> Patrick, this is in Harvard, MA; my area of Massachusetts doesn't have a
> ton of hills high enough to give overlooks but this is a decent one. The
> bike is a Soma Pescadero with 700x33s under the VO fenders and Diacompe
> GC610 centerpulls - somewhat inspired by some of the Rambouillet / Romulus
> builds I've seen.
>
> On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 3:03:05 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> David: Where was this photo taken? Beautiful SOMA -- what model? -- and
>> beautiful scenery (as is that in the Seattle and BC and Oakland photos).
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who must take some bosque acequia-trail photos with the
>> cottonwood fluff in the air.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 10:51 AM DavidP  wrote:
>>
>>> Taking in the view at the top of the hill this morning.
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20230619_130242278_prospect--hill-1800.jpg]
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS Parts for your spring/summer projects

[Drew Fitchette]

Updated list of what's still available Below:

Gevenalle GX 1X11 Long Pull Brifters – Compatible with 11sp Shimano and 
SRAM Deraileurs $150

Wolf Tooth Headset Spacer 5 Pack, 10mm, Silver $10

Shimano BB-RS500 Hollowtech II English Bottom Bracket $10

RaceFace Aeffect Crankset - 175mm, Direct Mount CINCH, RaceFace EXI Spindle 
Interface, Black $80

SHIMANO Flat Pedals PD-EF202 MTB, Silver, 9/16, EPDEF202S $20

Can send photos of any items you wish to see, but all in like New condition 
from a build that I ended up going a different direction on.

Happy to ship anywhere you like at your expense! 

On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 11:31:55 AM UTC-4 Drew Fitchette wrote:

> Updated list of what's still available Below:
>
> Shimano SLX CS-M7000 11 Speed 11-42t Cassette *SOLD*
>
> Gevenalle GX 1X11 Long Pull Brifters – Compatible with 11sp Shimano and 
> SRAM Deraileurs $150
>
> Velo Orange Grand Cru Long Setback Seatpost MKII: 30.2mm Setback, 27.2mm, 
> 300mm, Silver *PENDING*
>
> microSHIFT XCD Rear Derailleur - 11-Speed, Medium Cage, Black, With Clutch 
> *SOLD*
>
> Wolf Tooth Headset Spacer 5 Pack, 10mm, Silver $10
>
> RaceFace Narrow-Wide Direct Mount Cinch Chainring Aluminum Black 36T 
> *PENDING*
>
> Shimano BB-RS500 Hollowtech II English Bottom Bracket $10
>
> RaceFace Aeffect Crankset - 175mm, Direct Mount CINCH, RaceFace EXI 
> Spindle Interface, Black $80
>
> SHIMANO Flat Pedals PD-EF202 MTB, Silver, 9/16, EPDEF202S $20
>
> Can send photos of any items you wish to see, but all in like New 
> condition from a build that I ended up going a different direction on.
>
> Happy to ship anywhere you like!
>
> On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 4:12:10 PM UTC-4 Drew Fitchette wrote:
>
>> *PRICE DROPS and ADDED Items:*
>>
>> Shimano SLX CS-M7000 11 Speed 11-42t Cassette $30
>>
>> Gevenalle GX 1X11 Long Pull Brifters – Compatible with 11sp Shimano and 
>> SRAM Deraileurs $150
>>
>> Velo Orange Grand Cru Long Setback Seatpost MKII: 30.2mm Setback, 27.2mm, 
>> 300mm, Silver $30
>>
>> microSHIFT XCD Rear Derailleur - 11-Speed, Medium Cage, Black, With 
>> Clutch $35
>>
>> Wolf Tooth Headset Spacer 5 Pack, 10mm, Silver $10
>>
>> RaceFace Narrow-Wide Direct Mount Cinch Chainring Aluminum Black 36T $35
>>
>> Shimano BB-RS500 Hollowtech II English Bottom Bracket $10
>>
>> RaceFace Aeffect Crankset - 175mm, Direct Mount CINCH, RaceFace EXI 
>> Spindle Interface, Black $80
>>
>> SHIMANO Flat Pedals PD-EF202 MTB, Silver, 9/16, EPDEF202S $20
>>
>> Can send photos of any items you wish to see, but all in like New 
>> condition from a build that I ended up going a different direction on.
>>
>> Happy to ship anywhere you like!
>>
>> - Drew
>> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 3:21:06 PM UTC-4 Drew Fitchette wrote:
>>
>>> I'll add here after some confusion(my bad!) that the Gevenalle are fora 
>>> 1x set up. So shifter on the right Brifter only! 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:28:54 PM UTC-4 Drew Fitchette wrote:
>>>
 Hey everyone,

 Joining the folks who are clearing out things as I've finished my 
 Atlantis and rebuilding my wife's Schwinn Crosscut.

 Here's some stuff I've got no use for:

 Shimano SLX CS-M7000 11 Speed 11-42t Cassette $40

 Gevenalle GX Long Pull Brifters – Compatible with 11sp Shimano and SRAM 
 Deraileurs $160

 Velo Orange Grand Cru Long Setback Seatpost MKII: 30.2mm Setback, 
 27.2mm, 300mm, Silver $40

 microSHIFT XCD Rear Derailleur - 11-Speed, Medium Cage, Black, With 
 Clutch $45

 Email me directly if you have interest in any of this stuff, I'm in 
 Atlanta but can ship anywhere if you pay for it! 

 - Drew

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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Summer Riding Photos 2023

[Brian Turner]

Dan, those photos are incredible, and your Homer looks fantastic! Curious, what color is the cloth bar wrap on your bars? Is it treated with shellac or anything?- BrianOn Jun 19, 2023, at 4:39 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:>From Wikipedia and the photos Google brought up, what a wonderful area, both as to the landscape and as to the social history -- Shakers and other utopianists who, even if one deprecates their naif attempts at human-constructed social perfection, at least sought to transcend petty commercial mundanity, and to do so in a beautiful natural environment.The stone wall made me think of rural Britain but the extent and relative "spareness" of the landscape (and the  mortar in the wall) made me think of NA.From the SOMA website the Pescadero does seem to be a near cousin to the Rambouillet. Again, the aesthetic of the bike matches that of the landscape.On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 2:06 PM DavidP  wrote:Patrick, this is in Harvard, MA; my area of Massachusetts doesn't have a ton of hills high enough to give overlooks but this is a decent one. The bike is a Soma Pescadero with 700x33s under the VO fenders and Diacompe GC610 centerpulls - somewhat inspired by some of the Rambouillet / Romulus builds I've seen.On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 3:03:05 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:David: Where was this photo taken? Beautiful SOMA -- what model? -- and beautiful scenery (as is that in the Seattle and BC and Oakland photos).Patrick Moore, who must take some bosque acequia-trail photos with the cottonwood fluff in the air.On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 10:51 AM DavidP  wrote:Taking in the view at the top of the hill this morning.



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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Summer Riding Photos 2023

[Ted Durant]

On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 3:06:50 PM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:

Patrick, this is in Harvard, MA; my area of Massachusetts doesn't have a 
ton of hills high enough to give overlooks but this is a decent one. The 
bike is a Soma Pescadero with 700x33s under the VO fenders and Diacompe 
GC610 centerpulls - somewhat inspired by some of the Rambouillet / Romulus 
builds I've seen.


Lovely photo and bike! My mother grew up at Groton School, where my 
grandfather was organist, choir director, and music teacher. Many memories 
of my parents loading my 4 brothers and me  into the wayback of the station 
wagon and driving there from Cohasset (where there are less hills but at 
least the occasional scenic, and even iconic, ocean view).

Keep them coming, folks, I love them all even if I don't comment on each 
one!!

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA


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[RBW] Re: New member confession.

[David Linden]

Thank you all. You may find it interesting that forced exercise such as 
cycling is being studied as a way to slow the progression of PD.. Dr Jay 
Albert at the Cleveland Clinic has the Pedaling for PD program. He started 
putting the patients on a tandem and had the captain push the stoker 
patient harder than they would  normally do on their own. NOw he is using 
gear driven bikes .How  hard  you need to ride remains to.be seen.

At least it is something worth trying.

I have several bikes that this group might find of. interest. I'll post 
them over the next few days. It may take me awhile. I am finding that 
typing is difficult and very frustrating due to my PD.

Thanks again.






On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 5:13:49 AM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> David, sorry to hear about your situation. I hope you can continue to ride 
> for longer than you think you will but understand your concerns as I have 
> seen friends with Parkinson’s and how each person seems to have different 
> challenges. 
>
> Good luck with your sale, try to keep one for as long as you can.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Joel
>
> On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 8:47:47 PM UTC-4 dalin...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My primary reason for requesting membership to this group is that I must 
>> begin selling all six of my bikes and related bicycle gear. Let me explain, 
>> please. 
>> I was a member of the original Bridgestone Owner's Group, I think #912  
>> ???. I joined the RBW group early on, but eventually dropped active 
>> participation  because I could not keep up with the number of e-mails 
>> involved.
>>
>> I am now a retired, 87 year old, VA physician, living in north central 
>> Arizona. I primarily was a road rider, (non racer, ) with some off road 
>> riding in the national forest  which lies out my front door. I stopped  
>> riding outdoors when we were shut down by the Covid pandemic.
>> I could not risk an injury requiring a hospital ER  visit or 
>> hospitalization, and leaving my wife to fend for herself. Thus, I have only 
>> been riding indoors on my Revmaster Pro stationary bike.
>> I have more recently been diagnosed with Parkinson's disease, am on 
>> medication,, but am plagued with extreme fatigue, which limits my rides to 
>> about 30 minutes. PD is a progressive, incurable disease, thus my cycling 
>> situation is not likely to change .
>> Therefore, I an going to try to sell my bikes and miscellaneous gear and 
>> equipment.
>>
>> :I/,m 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone using an Appaloosa as a mostly-road bike?

[Ted W]

Fun to hear these descriptions and advice. As a soon to be Appa owner
planning to use it for 80/20, on/off-road I’ll be setting it up mostly as a
road bike but, really looking for an all-terrain bike with big tire
clearance and a road-ish feel.

Also, Collin, thank you for sharing your experience with the Appa and
drops. I’ve got a purple Appa coming in and I was worried about ETT being
so long with drops. If I may ask (and I don’t want to derail the main convo
so feel free to reply to me direct), what length stem do you normally use
for drops and compared with what you’re using on the Appa? I’ve been trying
to sort out what I’ll need and I think I’ve narrowed it down but would love
some direct experience to influence my decision.

PS. I don’t think your images uploaded correctly, they’re not showing up
for me either on the Google groups page or via email.

On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 1:26 PM Collin A  wrote:

> I had my 51 650b Joe setup as a mostly road/dirt touring bike for a couple
> years, and it has gone through many iterations since then (currently living
> life as a 1x9 flatland commuter). Is it a road race bike? No. Is it a fun
> bike to ride on the road and connect the many dirt trails/roads/etc. that a
> road bike would struggle on? Yes.
>
> It was already mentioned, but short stems are your friend, and personally
> I like the more modern-style drops with shorter reach and drop. A couple
> photos for inspiration from Auburn area dirt trails:
>
> I'd think your legolas would fit that niche better than a Joe, but at the
> same time I wouldn't dare suggest to someone on this list to not buy
> another Rivendell.
>
> Cheers,
> Collin in Sunny Berkeley
>
> On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 7:36:33 AM UTC-7 reynoldslugs wrote:
>
>> Hi all, can’t remember the last time I posted.   Long-time Rivendell
>> rider, since 1998 or so; my current stable includes Atlantis, Legolas,
>> Custom, Rambouillet, Heron Road, maybe one or two others (I gave my
>> Quickbeam to a friend when my knees got to creaky for fixed gear riding).
>>
>> My current curiosity/notion/interest is whether I should add an Appaloosa
>> to the flock.  If any of you ride one as a mostly-road, perhaps drop-bar
>> bike, I would be grateful for your impressions, feedback.
>>
>> I do a fair amount of road + steep gravel rides - - if you are familiar
>> with Sonoma County, that means Coleman Valley + Willow Creek, and Sonoma
>> Mountain Road + Bald Mountain.  I’m interested in a bike that does well on
>> pavement and rides well on steep, rutted, dirt and gravel roads.
>>
>> Grateful for any opinions and feedback, thanks.
>>
>> Max Beach
>> Santa Rosa CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: New member confession.

[Drew Fitchette]

Thanks for sharing your story and the info about Pedaling for PD, David.

I'm not sure what kind of computer you're using, but some now have a talk 
to text function that can be enabled if that would make things simpler for 
you? I for one would be happy to help list things for you if after trying 
it gets to be too bothersome. 

be well!

- Drew

On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 5:33:33 PM UTC-4 dalin...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you all. You may find it interesting that forced exercise such as 
> cycling is being studied as a way to slow the progression of PD.. Dr Jay 
> Albert at the Cleveland Clinic has the Pedaling for PD program. He started 
> putting the patients on a tandem and had the captain push the stoker 
> patient harder than they would  normally do on their own. NOw he is using 
> gear driven bikes .How  hard  you need to ride remains to.be seen.
>
> At least it is something worth trying.
>
> I have several bikes that this group might find of. interest. I'll post 
> them over the next few days. It may take me awhile. I am finding that 
> typing is difficult and very frustrating due to my PD.
>
> Thanks again.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 5:13:49 AM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> David, sorry to hear about your situation. I hope you can continue to 
>> ride for longer than you think you will but understand your concerns as I 
>> have seen friends with Parkinson’s and how each person seems to have 
>> different challenges. 
>>
>> Good luck with your sale, try to keep one for as long as you can.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Joel
>>
>> On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 8:47:47 PM UTC-4 dalin...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> My primary reason for requesting membership to this group is that I must 
>>> begin selling all six of my bikes and related bicycle gear. Let me explain, 
>>> please. 
>>> I was a member of the original Bridgestone Owner's Group, I think #912  
>>> ???. I joined the RBW group early on, but eventually dropped active 
>>> participation  because I could not keep up with the number of e-mails 
>>> involved.
>>>
>>> I am now a retired, 87 year old, VA physician, living in north central 
>>> Arizona. I primarily was a road rider, (non racer, ) with some off road 
>>> riding in the national forest  which lies out my front door. I stopped  
>>> riding outdoors when we were shut down by the Covid pandemic.
>>> I could not risk an injury requiring a hospital ER  visit or 
>>> hospitalization, and leaving my wife to fend for herself. Thus, I have only 
>>> been riding indoors on my Revmaster Pro stationary bike.
>>> I have more recently been diagnosed with Parkinson's disease, am on 
>>> medication,, but am plagued with extreme fatigue, which limits my rides to 
>>> about 30 minutes. PD is a progressive, incurable disease, thus my cycling 
>>> situation is not likely to change .
>>> Therefore, I an going to try to sell my bikes and miscellaneous gear and 
>>> equipment.
>>>
>>> :I/,m 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto M18 rack

[Kieran J]

Found one. Multiple actually - so if anyone is looking, post up a WTB. 
Thanks for all the offers!

KJ


On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 8:48:53 AM UTC-7 velomann wrote:

> The M-18 - and Nitto racks in general - are getting increasingly difficult 
> to obtain. I work in a shop with a QBP account, and waited over 6 months 
> for them to come in stock, I got 1 only because I had it on Item 
> Reservation. They sold out the day they re-stocked. No current re-supply 
> date available. 
>
> Mike M
>
> On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 9:35:35 AM UTC-7 Kieran J wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I need this rack to play well with my v-brakes.
>> Let me know if you have one to sell.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kieran
>> Victoria, BC
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: new Clem 650b wheel set

[gordo]

Wheels are sold - thanks!

On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 1:34:58 PM UTC-7 gordo wrote:

> [image: IMG_7419.jpg]
> Here's a photo of the wheels - they have never been mounted and are brand 
> new.
> On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 1:33:58 PM UTC-7 gordo wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Selling a brand new 650b wheel set that came with a recent Clem L 
>> purchase.  
>>
>> - Alex DM24 rims
>> - Novatech hubs (11 speed compatible; spacer included for 8-10 speeds)
>> - Kendra Kwick Journey 45 mm tires 
>> - tubes and skewers included/installed
>> - 100 mm front hub spacing / 135 mm rear hub spacing
>>
>> $200 for local SF sale or $240 shipped to anywhere in the continental U.S.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Summer Riding Photos 2023

[Dan Bluestein]

Thanks Brian! The bar wrap is teal, but dusty from the trail. I had the
bike built by riv and didn't specify anything either way regarding
treatment but I think they put on a coat of clear shellac (this is my first
time using cloth tape and not sure I know the difference between shellacked
and not, but it doesn't seem like just plain fabric).

All--I agree with Ted, keep the photos coming. It's everyone's beautiful
images that inspired me to stop being a lurker and share mine.

--dan


On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 4:52 PM Brian Turner  wrote:

> Dan, those photos are incredible, and your Homer looks fantastic! Curious,
> what color is the cloth bar wrap on your bars? Is it treated with shellac
> or anything?
>
> - Brian
>
> On Jun 19, 2023, at 4:39 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
> From Wikipedia and the photos Google brought up, what a wonderful area,
> both as to the landscape and as to the social history -- Shakers and other
> utopianists who, even if one deprecates their naif attempts at
> human-constructed social perfection, at least sought to transcend petty
> commercial mundanity, and to do so in a beautiful natural environment.
>
> The stone wall made me think of rural Britain but the extent and relative
> "spareness" of the landscape (and the  mortar in the wall) made me think of
> NA.
>
> From the SOMA website the Pescadero does seem to be a near cousin to the
> Rambouillet. Again, the aesthetic of the bike matches that of the landscape.
>
> On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 2:06 PM DavidP  wrote:
>
>> Patrick, this is in Harvard, MA; my area of Massachusetts doesn't have a
>> ton of hills high enough to give overlooks but this is a decent one. The
>> bike is a Soma Pescadero with 700x33s under the VO fenders and Diacompe
>> GC610 centerpulls - somewhat inspired by some of the Rambouillet / Romulus
>> builds I've seen.
>>
>> On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 3:03:05 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> David: Where was this photo taken? Beautiful SOMA -- what model? -- and
>>> beautiful scenery (as is that in the Seattle and BC and Oakland photos).
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, who must take some bosque acequia-trail photos with the
>>> cottonwood fluff in the air.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 10:51 AM DavidP  wrote:
>>>
 Taking in the view at the top of the hill this morning.

 [image: PXL_20230619_130242278_prospect--hill-1800.jpg]

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[RBW] The maxium tire size for a 52cm Clem Smith Jr. "L"

[Kim Hetzel]

I am asking for a friend..

What is the maximum tire size for a 52cm Clem Smith Jr. "L" frame set ?

Thank-you.

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 

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[RBW] Re: The maxium tire size for a 52cm Clem Smith Jr. "L"

[Kim Hetzel]

without fenders...

On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 7:27:30 PM UTC-7 Kim Hetzel wrote:

> I am asking for a friend..
>
> What is the maximum tire size for a 52cm Clem Smith Jr. "L" frame set ?
>
> Thank-you.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
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[RBW] Re: The maxium tire size for a 52cm Clem Smith Jr. "L"

[Ed Carolipio]

Hi Kim,

I've squeezed in a Schwalbe G-One Speed (no knobs) at 27.5x2.35 which 
measures out to 60mm on the stock rims. There's about 5mm of clearance on 
each side. The tires have to be deflated to clear the brake pads when 
removing the wheel.

--Ed C.

On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 7:30:04 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> without fenders...
>
> On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 7:27:30 PM UTC-7 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>
>> I am asking for a friend..
>>
>> What is the maximum tire size for a 52cm Clem Smith Jr. "L" frame set ?
>>
>> Thank-you.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: The maxium tire size for a 52cm Clem Smith Jr. "L"

[Kim Hetzel]

Thank-you, Ed.

On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 7:38:16 PM UTC-7 Ed Carolipio wrote:

> Hi Kim,
>
> I've squeezed in a Schwalbe G-One Speed (no knobs) at 27.5x2.35 which 
> measures out to 60mm on the stock rims. There's about 5mm of clearance on 
> each side. The tires have to be deflated to clear the brake pads when 
> removing the wheel.
>
> --Ed C.
>
> On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 7:30:04 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> without fenders...
>>
>> On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 7:27:30 PM UTC-7 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>>
>>> I am asking for a friend..
>>>
>>> What is the maximum tire size for a 52cm Clem Smith Jr. "L" frame set ?
>>>
>>> Thank-you.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Mid-build Frustrations—Trek Elance 400

[R. Alexis]

I am probably not one to offer out how to get this going. I have a couple 
projects myself that need pushed along. You may have to force yourself to 
schedule the time for some of the things to get and finish the build. I 
have a Gary Fisher Gemini tandem that sat for several years before I 
finally pulled it out of the area it had been hanging out in last fall to 
get it redone and rolling. Couple things changed in how I planned to build 
it. Those changes worked out for the better. This same thing happened when 
I built my Rivendell Mountain. Initial plans were to build it rigid with a 
Nitto made Ritchey stem and standard seatpost which I had not picked out. 
After looking at Softride Beam bikes and suspension stems I decided to go 
with a Softride suspension stem and Thudbuster Uni-Pivot seatpost. Love the 
set up and the only change I would make is to get a Cane Creek 3G 
Thudbuster ST seatpost or the eeSilk+ to replace the Uni-Pivot. Only wish 
they came in silver. Probably would have made the switch a while ago if 
that were the case. 

Do what you can. Sometimes the direction of the build can take a turn in 
the process or after. Have fun with it. 

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis 

On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 12:50:47 AM UTC-5 lkbr...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: CF9652D0-F42E-44B2-9633-B95212D1ACD3.jpeg]Greetings, Bunch! I 
> have been working on a mid-80s Trek Elance 400 build, from the frame up (no 
> fork included). I’ll break down the build below, but I’m looking for a 
> little encouragement to get this bike finished up. Let me know how you 
> relate to my experience and your approach to building a bike and other 
> complex situations in life. 
>
> I’ve been collecting parts for a few months, and now I’ve started 
> assembling them, somewhat aimlessly. Now that I have most all the parts I 
> am finding that they require some effort to be well adjusted and 
> refurbished (to be expected, I know; typically my favorite part of bike 
> hobby— tinkering). I also began a mentorship with a local frame builder 
> recently, so I planned to add cantilever posts, another pair of bottle 
> bosses, and cable stops (like Steve Frey’s “Frek“ rando bikes), but I’ve 
> been too busy to schedule another workshop. At this point I just want to 
> ride! 
>
> 1985 ish Trek Elance 400 (23”/60cm, iirc)
> Crust Lightning Bolt fork (XL, extra threads cut)
> SOMA Weymouth rims (650b) with SP dynamo and Raleigh high flange 
> freewheel
> Paul Neo Retro cantilever 
> La Prade seat post, my first Selle Anatomica
> Front derailer tbd, Ultegra cranks, 105 rear derailer, cheapy ultra wide 
> range freewheel
> Campy Brevet headset
> Nitto Noodle bar, Technomic stem, and mini front rack
>
> Need to look for a long reach rear brake or get those canti mounts going, 
> find front derailer, and figure out how to get the rear shift cable through 
> the internal routing of the chain stay.
>
> Sincerely, 
> Hopalong
>
>
>

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