date:20230607

If the bike came with mid-reach Shimano brakes you're unlikely to get 
anything wider than 38mm in clearance no matter what brakes you run.  It's 
also unlikely that centerpull calipers will provide appreciably more 
stopping power than the Shimano dual pivot calipers which already have 
plenty of stopping power, though you might get more a little more tire 
clearance.

It's hilarious that you think the South Bay isn't ideal country for 
hillibike riding --- there are lots of combination rides that minimize 
climbing off pavement --- for instance, you could climb Montebello road and 
descend Stevens Canyon fire trail. Or climb Highway 9 and use all the dirt 
connectors from Saratoga gap to Russian Ridge OSP and descend Crazy Pete's 
and Dirt Alpine (or Stevens Canyon).  I wouldn't hesitate to take my 
Roadini to El Corte Madera Creek preserve either --- a little bit of 
walking never killed anyone. I've ridden all over the world and for 
year-round day riding it's really difficult to beat the Bay Area or even 
come close.

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[RBW] Re: Leo Roadini, Mustachioed & More



As for max'ing out tires, Piaw is running 38s on his Roadini: 
https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/77-YZzm-Edk/m/rbDytYzDAAAJ


My Roadini is from 2022, not 2017. Grant's been increasing the brake reach 
and the 2022 no longer uses mid-reach caliper brakes.

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[RBW] Re: FS: swift industry fabs chest L & rons bikes fabs fanny

2023-06-07 Thread Davey Two Shoes

im a day late (3) on everything on this board! lol

On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 3:49:24 PM UTC-4 in...@brentknepper.com wrote:

> all sold, thanks everyone!
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 6:56:16 PM UTC-5 Brent Knepper wrote:
>
>> hey pals, update:
>> -chest sold
>> -blue fanny still available
>>
>> *now also "4" sale*: Limited edition embroidered yellow tulip olive body 
>> Fab's Fanny. Some wear on the bottom from tire buzzing (really tried to 
>> make this one work but alas I'm a short human). More pics here 
>>  and product description page (kinda) here 
>> 
>>  *$150 + shipping*
>> [image: IMG_2958.jpg]
>>
>> I'm also shippin these with authentique rons bikes boxes with their 
>> original lil illustration thank you cards *and* brown paper wrapping for 
>> any IG influenceurs who want to post unboxing content :)
>> [image: IMG_2977.jpg]
>>
>> hi, thank you
>> -Brent in Chicago
>>
>>
>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 8:21:21 PM UTC-5 Brent Knepper wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks, 2 things to sell~~
>>> -2nd Gen (maybe?) Swift Industries-made Ron's Bikes Fab's Chest Sz Large 
>>> in Olive. Honestly used once one dry, paved camping trip so pretty clean. 
>>> More pics here  and dimensions here 
>>>  
>>> (scroll 
>>> down a bit) *$230 usd + shipping*[image: IMG_2784.JPG]
>>> -Current gen CT-made Ron's Bikes Fab's Fanny in Navy. Mounted only once, 
>>> bars were too low making the bag rest on the front fender. More pics 
>>> here  and manufacturer poetry/specs here 
>>> 
>>>  *$160 + shipping*
>>>
>>> *[image: IMG_2771.JPG]*
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> -Brent in Chicago
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: zippy skinny tire 62x58ish c-c frameset

2023-06-07 Thread Mike Godwin

Look for a early Lemond Zurich 61 cm. They are on the big side, will 
Cypress 700x30 tires, short reach brakes with pads at the bottom of the 
slots. Zippy, good climber, good no hands riding behavior. Or a Lemond 
Poprad. Both under the radar brakes. 

Mike SLO CA

On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 6:48:34 PM UTC-7 andyree...@gmail.com wrote:

> Our good friend Joe Bunik totally hooked me up with one rad frameset that 
> fits me oh-so-well, but it's on the stabler side and can fit 32s with ease. 
> Now that I've got some more room for bikes, I'd like to expand to a punchy, 
> zippy road frame but with roughly the same geometry (aprox. 63cm C-C seat 
> tube, and 58cm C-C top tube).  
>
> Now some might be thinking, but Andy, you have a Waterford 1200 built with 
> mythical Reynolds 753 steel that already fits the bill. Welp I stupidly 
> sold it (but did get confirmation from the seller that they'd sell it back 
> to me should they decide to part with it). Its seat tube was a little short 
> for me at 61cm C-C, so I'm still on the hunt for others. Suppose anyone has 
> something in their collection that fits the geometry, can barely, and I 
> mean barely squeeze a 28mm tire between and has 130/100 spacing w/ vertical 
> or very short horizontal dropouts. In that case, I'd be very very 
> interested! 
>
> Thanks group, 
> Andrew-thinning y'alls stable frame by frame-Turner 
> Franklin TN 
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[RBW] Re: Leo Roadini, Mustachioed & More

OK, I found the specs for the 2017 
Roadini: 
https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/173252562647/note-this-unearthed-blug-was-supposed-to-appear#:~:text=The%20same%20tire%20clearances%20%E2%80%94up,more%20stable%2C%20but%20still%20zippy.

35mm without fenders, 28mm with.

On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 7:54:22 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:

> As for max'ing out tires, Piaw is running 38s on his Roadini: 
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/77-YZzm-Edk/m/rbDytYzDAAAJ
>
>
> My Roadini is from 2022, not 2017. Grant's been increasing the brake reach 
> and the 2022 no longer uses mid-reach caliper brakes.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s say I made my Clem into a “gravel bike”

2023-06-07 Thread Johnny Alien

I mean...if I had to deal with goose poop I would bring the fenders back 
quickly.

On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 10:10:11 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I find a use for them nearly every ride - there is always some puddle or a 
> bunch of goose poop that makes me thank my lucky stars for fenders. I rode 
> a club ride last night and was sprayed by the woman riding in front of me 
> because of course she had no fenders. I envied the woman behind me, who was 
> surely spared by MY fenders.
>
> On Jun 7, 2023, at 8:17 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> I used to always fender my bikes because I liked the looks but then 
> realized that I was never in any conditions where they were needed from a 
> practical sense so I changed my mind and now never use them.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 11:04:25 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I need to try the Clem out on gravel; in fact, I need to find some 
>> gravel. Our bike club has a Ride Our Routes collection that I will look 
>> into. But I also need new tires, regardless. These are pretty worn from 
>> being my one and only bike that got tons of covid miles. 
>>
>> On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 1:32:07 PM UTC-4 Slin wrote:
>>
>>> @Leah - Have you tried taking the Clem out on gravel rides, as-is? I've 
>>> also got a Clem and Platy, so I'm curious to hear how you experience them 
>>> differently on the same trails. 
>>>
>>> S
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 1:15:22 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>> I love pavement. But I’ve been on two gravel rides in the last month and 
 I rode a Platy either time and it wasn’t my favorite for that bike. But, I 
 have my old 2019 52 cm Clem L, and it doesn’t have a dedicated purpose 
 right now and shouldn’t that be the bike for rough and tough stuff like 
 gravel? Also, my Platys are prisses. 

 BUT. I’m not good at gravel. I have no idea what the kids are doing 
 these days. I have questions, and you have answers.

 1. Can I keep my VO wavy fenders on a gravel bike? Here’s what I have, 
 and they say up to 50 mm tire will fit:[image: IMG_5029.jpeg]

>>> 2. Slick or knobby? I can’t even get a straight answer on this. Which is 
 better? If it matters about the rider, this will be for a rider with a 
 healthy fear of crashing.

 3. How wide? I have 42s on my bikes now and I don’t feel like they are 
 wide enough. 

 4. Tubeless or no? These wheels are tubeless-compatible but I put a 
 tube in them because I wasn’t riding enough to keep the sealant 
 circulating. But that can be changed right quick.

 Here is my Clem in its current configuration, and yes, I know the 
 Backabikes gotta go. 

 [image: IMG_1812.jpeg]
 Thanks for your help!
 Leah 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Paul Component parts

2023-06-07 Thread Alex Wirth

What's left update:

(1) pair gold
(1) pair silver



(1) Klamper (one brake left, I broke my selling as a set promise…. Any 
Hubba owners want a fancy drag brake? ($185))


Moon Units (pair):
(1) Red

(1) green


Feel free to make offers on multiples, I’ll throw in a Surly flask for 
anyone c that takes the Klamper.



On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 7:32:58 AM UTC-4 Alex Wirth wrote:

> (1) pair gold
> (1) pair silver
>
>
>
> (1) Klamper (one brake left, I broke my selling as a set promise…. Any 
> Hubba owners want a fancy drag brake? ($185))
>
>
> Moon Units (pair):
> (1) black
> (1) Silver
> (1) Red
>
> (1) green
>
>
> Feel free to make offers on multiples, I’ll throw in a Surly flask for 
> anyone c that takes the Klamper.
>
>
> Cheers!
>
> Alex
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Paul Component parts

2023-06-07 Thread Alex Wirth

What's left update:

Adjusters:

 

(1) pair gold

(1) pair silver

 

 

(1) Klamper (one brake left, I broke my selling as a set promise…. Any 
Hubba owners want a fancy drag brake? ($185))

 

Moon Units (pair):

(1) Red

(1) green

 

 

Feel free to make offers on multiples, I’ll throw in a Surly flask for 
anyone that takes the Klamper.


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[RBW] Re: FS: 61.5 Swoopy Proto Gallop in silver, with canti studs

2023-06-07 Thread Jason Fuller

GLWS max!  I might have to be the second person to list a silver canti 
Gallop for sale in this list (but for shorter folks) as I'm once again just 
finding the bike storage situation to be too jam-packed here and there's a 
lot of redundancy between the CHG and the Sam. 

Great bike for those considering, nothing quite like it - long and comfy 
but also has a sporty flex to it.  Would make an amazing randonneur bike. 

On Wednesday, 7 June 2023 at 05:42:07 UTC-7 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Johnny. The Charlie may well be my first Rivendell  (if a Platypus 
> doesn't drop into my lap first). 
>
> I'm beginning to outgrow my '90s  650b converted race bike and have my 
> sight set on a roadish Riv. Preferably a swoopy one,  just because.
>
> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 8:15:15 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I believe they are scheduled for next year. The changes from the 
>> prototype that I know of are side pull instead of canti brakes and a less 
>> swoopy top tube. It still swoops but not as much. They are now being 
>> designed around albastache bars so I don't know if there were any geometry 
>> changes because of that. Most likely nothing to any major degree.
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 9:42:49 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Wondering if anyone knows the status of the Gallop? I  really like what 
>>> I've been seeing on this thread but have been unable to track down any 
>>> mention of when they might be expected.  
>>> I'm smitten by the Charlie's lines - that curvaceous top tube that's not 
>>> quite low enough to call a "step through" and the ample stack at the front 
>>> end.  Cantis or side pulls, either one is wold be okay with me. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 3:23:58 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 *FS: 61.5 Swoopy Proto Gallop in silver with canti studs *

 This is your chance to own one of the few prototype Charlie Gallop 
 bikes with canti/v-brake studs.

 The Gallop is a speedy road bike with a long wheelbase that takes wide 
 tires with fenders - the dream road setup. The upcoming 2024 production 
 ones won’t have a canti / v-brake option, so if you want ‘em buy this one.

 It’s a great riding, stable and super comfy bike that I have a feeling 
 I will regret selling. From Will’s update: “Grant has been riding it and 
 says if it gets any zippier, it'll be a liability issue.” - I don't think 
 it needs any more endorsements.

 Some additional notes:

 My pbh is around 90, I'm 5'11" with long legs. The low top tube means 
 you can probably upsize and use sweptback bars if the frame is bigger than 
 your usual size. There's a wide spectrum of pbh's that can fit this bike.

 The frame is in great condition but it has been used for commuting and 
 recreational rides around the city, which means it has a few minor 
 scratches here and there, but nothing major and no dents, dings or 
 crashes. 
 (happy to take pictures)

 This one has the Charlie Decals including horses in the chain stays, 
 but it has a Rosco badge because it isn’t an official Gallop. Will said 
 the 
 decals are over the clear coat and they're fairly tough but eventually 
 they'll crack. I already see the Riv logo decal on the downtube peeling 
 off.

 *A couple of options for the sale below. *Prices do not include 
 packing and shipping - local pick up in Boston preferred but I can ship 
 and 
 if you're patient I can also pack the bike myself to save some $. Also, I 
 assume Paypal or Venmo F&F. Finally, I made various upgrades from the 
 original demo bike and think this is fair, but please let me know if I'm 
 off.

1. 
 *Complete $2,600 - *Velocity Atlas 700c wheels laced to a Son28 dyno 
hub in the front and a Deore hub rear
- Shikoro 42mm tires (basically new)
- SKS P50 Fenders
- 48cm Noodles with shorty Nitto stem and green wrap (basically new)
- Tiagra Levers (basically new)
- CX 50 brakes (basically new)
- Silver2 BES
- Nitto 26.8 x 250 seatpost
- Clipper 42x30 crank
- 11-36 9 speed cassette
- Nexave rear derailer
- Cheapy shimano front derailer

2. 
 *Complete with fancy wheels & tubeless tires $3,150  *- 700c  polished 
Velocity Quills 32h laced to a Bitex Touring rear hub and a Shutter 
Precision dyno up front (hand built by Analog Cycles) - purple bling 
(valves & nipples)
- Tubeless Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass (basically new)
- SKS P50 Fenders
- 48cm Noodles with shorty Nitto stem and green wrap (basically new)
- Tiagra Levers (basically new)
- CX 50 brakes (basically new)
- Two purple cherries from Forager cycles
- Silver2 BES
- Nitto 26.8 x 250 seatpost
- Clipper 42x30 crank
- 11-36 9 sp

[RBW] Re: FS- Mermaid Platypus, 60cm

2023-06-07 Thread Tom Palmer

Hi all,

I have received a couple of questions as to the bike being available.   * 
Yes it is!*

Thanks!
Tom

On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 8:42:54 AM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Almost new save a couple of small paint chips. Fit me at 84.5 PBH but that 
> is the bottom of the range per Rivendell. Albatross bars, Technomic stem, 
> nice PDW lock on grips with 10 speed bar end shifter in friction mode and 
> shifts very well with new chain and Deore derailler. Nice Thompson 
> seatpost, shiny VO crankset 46/30 with no front derailler- I stick shifted 
> the 1 time I needed the 30- ran in 46 most of the time. Schwalbe G-ones 
> 700x50cm. Wheels are unbranded fairly wide silver hubs and rims and have a 
> freewheel- 8 speed is on now, but up to 10 speed available online. Brakes 
> are shiny Tektro V brakes and avid levers. Seat and pedals are just place 
> holders for your preferred ones. The bike rides very well on pavement and 
> dirt. I ride dirt almost always now and even with fenders, this pretty girl 
> was getting too dirty for me. I never though I would have bike that is too 
> precious, but I do. $2100 plus actual shipping with insurance. I will box 
> and ship, but work and home is very busy- it may take several days to get 
> it ready to ship. I have shipped many bikes over the years and have access 
> to excellent packing materials so she will get to the new owner in good 
> stead. Also on Riv Buy Sell group with more pictures or text me for more- 
> 231-2 zero 6 five 3 zero 3 
>
> Tom Palmer 
> Twin Lake, MI
>

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[RBW] Easy on/off (with bolted clamps, like Ergons?) non-anatomical grips for bottom of drop bar hooks

Speculating here. I may come to a situation where I will be swapping SA AM
and ASC wheels. The ASC takes a unique and proprietary trigger shifter,
thus a wheel swap would mean a shifter swap.

I mount my trigger shifters toward the bottom of the curve on the
right-side drop bar hook, about 3" below the brake lever. I'd like to be
able to slide the different shifters on and off the bar. That means I won't
want bar tape (or Velox bar plugs) getting in the way.

One solution might be to tape the bar from brake lever upward and use an
easy on/off grip for the bottom of the bar. IIRC, Craig Montgomery did this
to one or some of his touring bikes.

So, question: Is there a non-anatomical (ie, non-"ergonomic") grip that can
more or less easily slide on and off the ends-of-hooks flats of a 25.4 mm
bar?

Or would I be left with spreading and re-squeezing the clamp every time I
made the swap?

I suppose I could even use Ergons; really, the bigger problem is the 25.4mm
diameter of the bar.

Any thoughts?

Thanks.

---
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Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

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[RBW] Re: Easy on/off (with bolted clamps, like Ergons?) non-anatomical grips for bottom of drop bar hooks

2023-06-07 Thread DavidP

Red Shift offers drop bar control grips that are sized for road bars vs 
flat bars. You can get just the lower grips. I've seen these for sale on 
Amazon as well as Red Shift's website.

On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 2:58:43 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Speculating here. I may come to a situation where I will be swapping SA AM 
> and ASC wheels. The ASC takes a unique and proprietary trigger shifter, 
> thus a wheel swap would mean a shifter swap.
>
> I mount my trigger shifters toward the bottom of the curve on the 
> right-side drop bar hook, about 3" below the brake lever. I'd like to be 
> able to slide the different shifters on and off the bar. That means I won't 
> want bar tape (or Velox bar plugs) getting in the way.
>
> One solution might be to tape the bar from brake lever upward and use an 
> easy on/off grip for the bottom of the bar. IIRC, Craig Montgomery did this 
> to one or some of his touring bikes.
>
> So, question: Is there a non-anatomical (ie, non-"ergonomic") grip that 
> can more or less easily slide on and off the ends-of-hooks flats of a 25.4 
> mm bar? 
>
> Or would I be left with spreading and re-squeezing the clamp every time I 
> made the swap?
>
> I suppose I could even use Ergons; really, the bigger problem is the 
> 25.4mm diameter of the bar.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell HubbuHubbuH, Medium, Complete

2023-06-07 Thread Jared Wilson

Fielded some interest at the $3,000 number, yet still no takers so let's 
try for a bump.

Another trip to LA planned for Sunday-Monday if someone in SoCal wants to 
step up.

Thanks :)

On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 10:41:46 PM UTC-7 Jared Wilson wrote:

> Okay, lets try $3,000!
>
> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 3:21:05 PM UTC-7 Jared Wilson wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Bill!
>>
>> As far as I'm concerned these are the best tandems available today, or 
>> any day for that matter, glad to hear you enjoy yours so much.
>>
>> I was really hopeful someone would grab it before the weekend, but that 
>> ship has sailed. Still available for delivery to the Bay Area!
>>
>> Someone send me a message and let's talk numbers, this is a smokin' deal 
>> compared to what it would cost to build one up.
>>
>> -Jared, who is tired of hitting his head on this bike as it hangs from 
>> the rafters, in Central CA.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 7:01:29 PM UTC-7 Bill Rhea wrote:
>>
>>> Jared, I'm feeling your pain at letting this beautiful tandem go!  I 
>>> have an orange size M HHH also, and I really hope to never have to sell it 
>>> because Leslie really enjoys our little outings on it.  I also had an Ibis 
>>> Cousin IT for years but this one rides better, IMO.
>>>
>>> I hope one of y'all reading will get off the fence and pull the trigger 
>>> on this screaming deal already (yeah, you know who you are)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> -br
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 3:11:19 PM UTC-7 duh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Bump, let's make a deal before the weekend!

 On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 11:41:06 PM UTC-7 Jared Wilson wrote:

> New price, *$3200 OBO.*
>
> Can deliver to LA area next weekend (26th-29th) or Bay Area whenever.
>
> Don't be shy, lets find this amazing tandem a new home just in time 
> for summer :)
>
> On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 4:30:24 PM UTC-7 Jared Wilson wrote:
>
>> And another bump, feel free to make an offer!
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 3:59:36 PM UTC-7 JW wrote:
>>
>>> *BUMP*
>>>
>>>
>>> *$3,500*
>>> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 7:40:03 PM UTC-7 JW wrote:
>>>
 Still have the HHH, let's find it a new home!


 *$3,600 picked up in Central California*
 On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 6:41:34 PM UTC-7 JW wrote:

> *Price drop!*
>
>
> *$3,800 delivered to RBW garage sale :)*
> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 5:50:16 PM UTC-8 JW wrote:
>
>> Weekend bump!
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 3:42:26 PM UTC-8 JW wrote:
>>
>>> Hey group,
>>>
>>> This one hurts, just got it put together but with a pending 
>>> upcoming move we won't be able to house this amazing bicycle.
>>>
>>> I'd say theres about 2 miles from riding around on our farm 
>>> getting it dialed in, hasn't been out on the street yet.
>>>
>>> Specs:
>>>
>>> Rivendell HubbuHubbuH, Medium, Orange
>>> Stock Headset
>>> Stock Seatpost
>>> Bushnell Eccentric BB in front, (2) Shimano Cartridge BBs
>>> Silver 173mm Tandem Cranks
>>> MKS XC-III Pedals
>>> Skeleton Key Front Derailleur
>>> Shimano XT Friction Front Shifter
>>> Shimano Altus Rear Derailleur
>>> Silver Rear Friction Shifter
>>> Hands On Wheels built 27.5" Velocity Cliffhangers
>>> Kasai 36H Dynamo Front Hub
>>> Velocity 40H Rear Tandem Hub
>>> Maxxis Ikon 27.5"x2.2" Tires, Tubeless
>>> Shimano 11-36? 9 Speed Cassette
>>> Rivendell Tosco 65cm Captain Handlebars
>>> Ritchey C220 90mm Stem
>>> Nitto Bosco 55cm Stoker Handlebars
>>> ControlTech Adjustable Stoker Stem
>>> WTB Pure V Captain Saddle
>>> Brooks B17 Stoker Saddle
>>> Tektro CL740 Brake Levers
>>> Shimano Deore BR-T610 V-Brakes
>>>
>>> Local pickup only, not willing to ship this one. I *can* however 
>>> deliver to the Rivendell Garage Sale next weekend on 3/18/23.
>>>
>>> Asking $4,000.
>>>
>>> Please respond off list and let's find this beauty a nice warm 
>>> home!
>>>
>>> Thanks :)
>>>
>>> Jared in SLO, CA
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6480.jpg]
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell HubbuHubbuH, Medium, Complete

2023-06-07 Thread Jared Wilson

Also, now willing to explore shipping with compensation for packing 
materials and labor.

Let's chat!

On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 12:32:03 PM UTC-7 Jared Wilson wrote:

> Fielded some interest at the $3,000 number, yet still no takers so let's 
> try for a bump.
>
> Another trip to LA planned for Sunday-Monday if someone in SoCal wants to 
> step up.
>
> Thanks :)
>
> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 10:41:46 PM UTC-7 Jared Wilson wrote:
>
>> Okay, lets try $3,000!
>>
>> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 3:21:05 PM UTC-7 Jared Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Bill!
>>>
>>> As far as I'm concerned these are the best tandems available today, or 
>>> any day for that matter, glad to hear you enjoy yours so much.
>>>
>>> I was really hopeful someone would grab it before the weekend, but that 
>>> ship has sailed. Still available for delivery to the Bay Area!
>>>
>>> Someone send me a message and let's talk numbers, this is a smokin' deal 
>>> compared to what it would cost to build one up.
>>>
>>> -Jared, who is tired of hitting his head on this bike as it hangs from 
>>> the rafters, in Central CA.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 7:01:29 PM UTC-7 Bill Rhea wrote:
>>>
 Jared, I'm feeling your pain at letting this beautiful tandem go!  I 
 have an orange size M HHH also, and I really hope to never have to sell it 
 because Leslie really enjoys our little outings on it.  I also had an Ibis 
 Cousin IT for years but this one rides better, IMO.

 I hope one of y'all reading will get off the fence and pull the trigger 
 on this screaming deal already (yeah, you know who you are)

 Cheers,

 -br

 On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 3:11:19 PM UTC-7 duh...@gmail.com wrote:

> Bump, let's make a deal before the weekend!
>
> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 11:41:06 PM UTC-7 Jared Wilson wrote:
>
>> New price, *$3200 OBO.*
>>
>> Can deliver to LA area next weekend (26th-29th) or Bay Area whenever.
>>
>> Don't be shy, lets find this amazing tandem a new home just in time 
>> for summer :)
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 4:30:24 PM UTC-7 Jared Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> And another bump, feel free to make an offer!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 3:59:36 PM UTC-7 JW wrote:
>>>
 *BUMP*

 *$3,500*
 On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 7:40:03 PM UTC-7 JW wrote:

> Still have the HHH, let's find it a new home!
>
>
> *$3,600 picked up in Central California*
> On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 6:41:34 PM UTC-7 JW wrote:
>
>> *Price drop!*
>>
>>
>> *$3,800 delivered to RBW garage sale :)*
>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 5:50:16 PM UTC-8 JW wrote:
>>
>>> Weekend bump!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 3:42:26 PM UTC-8 JW wrote:
>>>
 Hey group,

 This one hurts, just got it put together but with a pending 
 upcoming move we won't be able to house this amazing bicycle.

 I'd say theres about 2 miles from riding around on our farm 
 getting it dialed in, hasn't been out on the street yet.

 Specs:

 Rivendell HubbuHubbuH, Medium, Orange
 Stock Headset
 Stock Seatpost
 Bushnell Eccentric BB in front, (2) Shimano Cartridge BBs
 Silver 173mm Tandem Cranks
 MKS XC-III Pedals
 Skeleton Key Front Derailleur
 Shimano XT Friction Front Shifter
 Shimano Altus Rear Derailleur
 Silver Rear Friction Shifter
 Hands On Wheels built 27.5" Velocity Cliffhangers
 Kasai 36H Dynamo Front Hub
 Velocity 40H Rear Tandem Hub
 Maxxis Ikon 27.5"x2.2" Tires, Tubeless
 Shimano 11-36? 9 Speed Cassette
 Rivendell Tosco 65cm Captain Handlebars
 Ritchey C220 90mm Stem
 Nitto Bosco 55cm Stoker Handlebars
 ControlTech Adjustable Stoker Stem
 WTB Pure V Captain Saddle
 Brooks B17 Stoker Saddle
 Tektro CL740 Brake Levers
 Shimano Deore BR-T610 V-Brakes

 Local pickup only, not willing to ship this one. I *can* however 
 deliver to the Rivendell Garage Sale next weekend on 3/18/23.

 Asking $4,000.

 Please respond off list and let's find this beauty a nice warm 
 home!

 Thanks :)

 Jared in SLO, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Easy on/off (with bolted clamps, like Ergons?) non-anatomical grips for bottom of drop bar hooks

Thanks, I hadn't heard about these. Actually, easy on/off aside, those
might be the answer to my perennial left palm problem with numbness and
pain in all except the hoods position, tho' with sufficient fidgiting I can
ride for 5 miles non-stop in the hooks.

But I expect that once on they'll be stuck on tight. Does anyone know?

I may be asking for a (metaphorical) shape that is both round and square


On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 1:23 PM DavidP  wrote:

> Red Shift offers drop bar control grips that are sized for road bars vs
> flat bars. You can get just the lower grips. I've seen these for sale on
> Amazon as well as Red Shift's website.
>
> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 2:58:43 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Speculating here. I may come to a situation where I will be swapping SA
>> AM and ASC wheels. The ASC takes a unique and proprietary trigger shifter,
>> thus a wheel swap would mean a shifter swap.
>>
>> I mount my trigger shifters toward the bottom of the curve on the
>> right-side drop bar hook, about 3" below the brake lever. I'd like to be
>> able to slide the different shifters on and off the bar. That means I won't
>> want bar tape (or Velox bar plugs) getting in the way.
>>
>> One solution might be to tape the bar from brake lever upward and use an
>> easy on/off grip for the bottom of the bar. IIRC, Craig Montgomery did this
>> to one or some of his touring bikes.
>>
>> So, question: Is there a non-anatomical (ie, non-"ergonomic") grip that
>> can more or less easily slide on and off the ends-of-hooks flats of a 25.4
>> mm bar?
>>
>> Or would I be left with spreading and re-squeezing the clamp every time I
>> made the swap?
>>
>> I suppose I could even use Ergons; really, the bigger problem is the
>> 25.4mm diameter of the bar.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --
>>
>> ---
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s say I made my Clem into a “gravel bike”

2023-06-07 Thread Ted Durant

On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 9:10:11 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

I find a use for them nearly every ride - there is always some puddle or a 
bunch of goose poop that makes me thank my lucky stars for fenders. 


LOL, yeah, we've had no rain for a month here and the goose poop at the 
lakefront is epic right now. +1 for fenders.

That said, I have yet to find any goose poop on a gravel road. Our 
Wisconsin network of crushed limestone rail-trails, on the other hand, can 
be full of stuff you don't want spraying on your legs and back. Last year I 
did a 300km loop around SE Wisconsin, 111km of which was on trails. It 
didn't rain on us, but it had rained the day before, and some of the trails 
were still pretty damp. I was very happy to have fenders, even though there 
was a fair amount of sand rattling around in them. The guy riding behind me 
was sure glad I had them.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s say I made my Clem into a “gravel bike”

I'm curious now. Is goose poop worse than horse poop?

On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 1:30:58 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 9:10:11 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
> I find a use for them nearly every ride - there is always some puddle or a 
> bunch of goose poop that makes me thank my lucky stars for fenders. 
>
>
> LOL, yeah, we've had no rain for a month here and the goose poop at the 
> lakefront is epic right now. +1 for fenders.
>
> That said, I have yet to find any goose poop on a gravel road. Our 
> Wisconsin network of crushed limestone rail-trails, on the other hand, can 
> be full of stuff you don't want spraying on your legs and back. Last year I 
> did a 300km loop around SE Wisconsin, 111km of which was on trails. It 
> didn't rain on us, but it had rained the day before, and some of the trails 
> were still pretty damp. I was very happy to have fenders, even though there 
> was a fair amount of sand rattling around in them. The guy riding behind me 
> was sure glad I had them.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s say I made my Clem into a “gravel bike”

2023-06-07 Thread Ted Durant

On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 3:35:01 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

I'm curious now. Is goose poop worse than horse poop?

Well, at the risk of seriously derailing the thread, ... that depends. 
Fresh horse poop is pretty bad but it dries out quickly and then isn't a 
problem. Goose poop stays an icky, gooey, smelly mess for a long time and 
is a putrid green color. To try to keep this on topic ... I don't mind 
riding without fenders where there will be horse poop. I'll do anything to 
avoid riding without fenders through goose poop.

It probably matters that I've owned a horse and so I'm kind of fond of the 
smell of horse poop.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s say I made my Clem into a “gravel bike”

2023-06-07 Thread Mackenzy Albright

I've really learned to love fenders (honjo/VO) even outside of rainy 
season. Keeps a lot of dust and dirt off the drive train if placed 
correctly, reducing wear and maintenance. Sometimes there are unavoidable 
puddles or wet spots. Animal waste. Human waste. (City riding) keep bags 
and strapped things from rubbing. They look COOL. 

I'd like to have an bike without fenders. But I really just love fenders...

On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 1:39:52 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 3:35:01 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I'm curious now. Is goose poop worse than horse poop?
>
> Well, at the risk of seriously derailing the thread, ... that depends. 
> Fresh horse poop is pretty bad but it dries out quickly and then isn't a 
> problem. Goose poop stays an icky, gooey, smelly mess for a long time and 
> is a putrid green color. To try to keep this on topic ... I don't mind 
> riding without fenders where there will be horse poop. I'll do anything to 
> avoid riding without fenders through goose poop.
>
> It probably matters that I've owned a horse and so I'm kind of fond of the 
> smell of horse poop.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>

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[RBW] Re: FS- Mermaid Platypus, 60cm

2023-06-07 Thread Bill Lindsay

What is the saddle height in the photo?

BL in EC

On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 11:32:00 AM UTC-7 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have received a couple of questions as to the bike being available.   * 
> Yes it is!*
>
> Thanks!
> Tom
>
> On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 8:42:54 AM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
>> Almost new save a couple of small paint chips. Fit me at 84.5 PBH but 
>> that is the bottom of the range per Rivendell. Albatross bars, Technomic 
>> stem, nice PDW lock on grips with 10 speed bar end shifter in friction mode 
>> and shifts very well with new chain and Deore derailler. Nice Thompson 
>> seatpost, shiny VO crankset 46/30 with no front derailler- I stick shifted 
>> the 1 time I needed the 30- ran in 46 most of the time. Schwalbe G-ones 
>> 700x50cm. Wheels are unbranded fairly wide silver hubs and rims and have a 
>> freewheel- 8 speed is on now, but up to 10 speed available online. Brakes 
>> are shiny Tektro V brakes and avid levers. Seat and pedals are just place 
>> holders for your preferred ones. The bike rides very well on pavement and 
>> dirt. I ride dirt almost always now and even with fenders, this pretty girl 
>> was getting too dirty for me. I never though I would have bike that is too 
>> precious, but I do. $2100 plus actual shipping with insurance. I will box 
>> and ship, but work and home is very busy- it may take several days to get 
>> it ready to ship. I have shipped many bikes over the years and have access 
>> to excellent packing materials so she will get to the new owner in good 
>> stead. Also on Riv Buy Sell group with more pictures or text me for more- 
>> 231-2 zero 6 five 3 zero 3 
>>
>> Tom Palmer 
>> Twin Lake, MI
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Leo Roadini, Mustachioed & More

2023-06-07 Thread Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY

Albastache are undeniably great bars, but for my (less) money, Soma 3 speed 
2’s are the greatest mustache on the planet. They’re fairly wide at 54cm, 
and they take “normal” brake levers, which I don’t get scared I’m going to 
catch on some underbrush with. And my thumbies fit anywhere, so I don’t 
have to run 26mm Paul’s on the sleeve, or have a good pile of vintage band 
clampers around…
https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/moustache-ii-bar
Have them on my Rambouillet, currently set in the sloped up way with a 15cm 
stem. 
Happy Rolling
-Kai



On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 8:44:26 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> I have a set of Albastache I wanted to try on either my Franklin bike or 
> the Bombadil and I would set them up the same way I have then set up now 
> with bar end brake levers and thumbshifters mounted just around the inside 
> of the curve. If not there then I'd go DT shifters as my Sun Tour 
> thumbshifters are all 22.2 so I'd have to but some Dia Compe ones likely, 
> as overpriced as they are. There's also the DC stem mounted shifters that 
> are adjustable in cable angle. 
>
> Especially on a road bike I find 33'ish the sweet spot max.  More doesn't 
> add as much as it detracts in steering feel. I ride my 33mm (actual) 
> Schwalbe Marathon Racers at no more than 40psi when I pump them and by the 
> time I go to pump them again they're more like 35-37. That's on the road, I 
> could go lower for worse surfaces.
>
> I find categorizing a bike only leads to the tail wagging the dog syndrome 
> as you end up chasing some elusive image of what the term may or may not 
> mean. All those categorical buzzwords have no Universal meaning other than 
> their spelling of the words. It's just a bike, regardless of the parts on 
> it !   
>
> Here's what I mean for the bar setup. My hands are never near the ends, 
> always at the foremost straight with my thumbs inside the curve. Shifting 
> is a breeze. The brake levers are easy to reach with a pinkie or two 
> fingers. Reversed the levers are easier to activate than the the other way 
> around. I always hated regular mtb levers as I thought they were designed 
> backwards. 
>
> [image: Alba-Franklin56.jpg]
>

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[RBW] J&G Bicycle Wear is going out of business later this year

2023-06-07 Thread Kim Hetzel

 ...as to exactly when, I did not bother to ask via email. 

This company has been around for decades. I don't blame them for retiring. 

I recently bought some rain gear from J&G Bicycle Wear. This was a week ago 
~. All their rain jackets are SOLD OUT !  ...except 2XL.

All prices are reduced and Everything Must Go !

https://www.bicycleclothing.com/index.html

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 

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[RBW] Re: Shifters - UNO shifter

2023-06-07 Thread abraham nussbaum

I'm definitely UNO-curious.

In the meantime, I've been running the Microshift 11 speed for over a year, 
in both friction and index mode. It's awesome. I run a 1 x 11 and it's been 
flawless after you dial in the fit bolt.

On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 5:43:41 PM UTC-6 Stephanie A. wrote:

> I'm looking forward to reading how you like it. The spouse wants more 
> gears and the fastest way to do it is to get him a 10- or 11-speed cassette 
> and a friction shifter since his Breezer Downtown EX came as a 1x8.
> On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 6:12:15 PM UTC-4 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey Max,
>>
>> I saw the video where Russ announced this, and was also curious as I've 
>> got an 11sp Cassette in my parts bin with no current home. 
>>
>> I do think you need an 11sp chain, as the chain width and cassette 
>> spacing work most natively together. You may be able to get away with a 
>> 10sp chain depending on the company, so if you've got one it could be worth 
>> a try. 
>>
>> Primary difference between the Microshift and the Uno is the ratchet. 
>> I've got the microshift 11sp shifter on my gevanalle brifters and it works 
>> fine in index but the friction setting is a little frustrating without the 
>> ratchet. That paired with the fact that the Uno looks classy makes me feel 
>> like you still made the right call... especially for a Riv.
>>
>> Hope that's helpful!
>>
>> - Drew
>>
>> On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 2:51:40 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone tried the UNO? 
>>>
>>> If you don't know what I'm talking about check out this video from Russ 
>>> at The Path Less Pedaled.  The 
>>> shifter is a collaboration between Soma, DiaCompe and Russ.  It's a 
>>> friction shifter that should take anything you throw at it including 11 or 
>>> 12 speed, MTB or Road drivetrains. 
>>>
>>> I got to it because I'm considering a 1x set up on one of my bikes and I 
>>> want maximum flexibility and compatibility to allow me to use a clutch and 
>>> a SRAM RD if I choose to.
>>>
>>> Also, I've been fighting a CX-70 FD paired with White Industries 2x9 
>>> setup on my Hunqapillar. No matter how much I adjust it or how much I trim, 
>>> certain combinations (of the ones I actually use) always have some rub. I'm 
>>> still trying to get my hands on an IRD Sub-C FD which might allow me to 
>>> keep the current setup (I love the gearing I have with 42/24 chainrings and 
>>> a 11-40 cassette) but I might want to switch things up.
>>>
>>> Long story short I bit the bullet and got an UNO. It feels really solid 
>>> and the ratchet sounds great. Also take a look, the thing is massive 
>>> compared to a Silver2:
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0495.jpeg]
>>>
>>> For my 1x I'm considering using a Shimano SLX M7000 11 Speed 11-40 
>>> cassette that I already have in my parts box. And I'll probably pair that 
>>> with a SRAM GX 10-Speed RD.
>>>
>>> The question for the group is: do I need to use an 11 speed chain given 
>>> the 11 speed cassette?
>>>
>>> Oh, and now I'm wondering, is the UNO just a fancy version of this 
>>> Microshift shifter 
>>>  which 
>>> I hadn't seen but just found on Crust's website?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Max in rainy Boston
>>>
>>> PS. They are available here from Soma 
>>> 
>>>  for 
>>> a pretty penny if you want to get one.
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] frameset trade offer: orange med gus for your 50-51cm ~other riv

2023-06-07 Thread Chasen Smith

lookin for a 51 homer, 51 sam,  50 atlantis, or 51 appaloosa. anything on 
the smedium side that isnt too hulking and has no step trhu/frame 
swoopiness. 650b preferred. gus is very low mileage  with a couple of paint 
dings, will post pics if any one cares to see. I love the gus but it is a 
lot of bike for new york city!

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[RBW] Re: I spy a yellow Platypus

2023-06-07 Thread Sarah Carlson

Yes, this is the dream realized Yellow Platypus! And I have been very very 
absent from social media because I cannot stop riding this bike!


On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 2:27:41 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Yes! Good eye, Max! And Ryan, good memory! My RivSister (we met on 
> Instagram) wanted a yellow Platy and we have been planning and dreaming for 
> weeks, and here it finally is. I will start a new thread about her bike 
> (she asked me to because she isn’t in love with technology) tonight, 
> probably late. She’s out riding and is on West Coast time and I’m in 
> Eastern, so there’s a little delay. Anyway, as soon as she answers the 
> questions I have and hands me the photos she wants, I’ll be back with the 
> details. I’m so happy for her! 
> Leah
>
> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 4:26:41 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Oooh nice! I feel like Leah mentioned someone getting a Platypus and 
>> wanting to paint it yellow fairly recently...within the last 6 months or 
>> so. 
>>
>> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 2:23:24 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Did you see the yellow platy on Insta? OMG!
>>>
>>> Posting here for those without social media accounts
>>>
>>> Max
>>> [image: 351013416_54772725404_237773184394501808_n.jpg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Gauging interest: Brass cable housing clamps

2023-06-07 Thread P W

Count me in for a couple!P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Jun 1, 2023, at 5:11 PM, Eric Marth wrote:Hello friends — I recently found some nice brass cable housing clamps. The manufacturer liked my pictures and asked if I'd be interested in importing some for other cyclists. I love the idea but I'm just not sure how many I could sell. The clamps are $10/each before shipping costs are factored in. They're made from solid brass in the UK. It's a two-piece clamp, bolt, two washers and an 8mm hex nut. These were designed to hold fuel pipes on old British race cars! But they fit 5mm housing very well. If you're interested, drop me a line and let's see if we can get some nice clamps on our non-aero cables. I think they're work anywhere you need to clamp your housing. <230530 Clamp 02 S.jpg><230530 Clamp 01 S.jpg><230530 Clamp 03 S.jpg>

[RBW] FS: MUSA Pants, T-Shirts, A Railroad Shirt, and a Couple Other Things

2023-06-07 Thread Daniel Rooke

Hello,

I have the following items for sale:

- One grey Peace Wheel T-shirt size XL - new but without tags: $15
- One Blue Platypus T-shirt size XL - worn a few times but in good
shape: $15
- One pair of the new Black MUSA pants size Large - worn a couple times,
washed in cold water and lined dried: $90
- One pair of the old MUSA grey pants size L - in good used condition
but there is a rip on the thigh, which is visible in the pictures - it will
probably need to be repaired: $50
- One pair of the new Ranger Green MUSA shorts still in the packaging -
size L: $75
- One Navy Woolpower 400 1/4 zip sweater sz. XL: $50
- One Rivendell Railroad Stripe Shirt sz. XL - two oil stains near the
MUSA logo but otherwise in good condition: $60
- One tig-welded Nitto Bullmoose handlebars (these are not the same as
the filet brazed ones for sale on the Rivendell website) - never used but
mounted in a frame: $100 + cost of shipping (will require a larger box)
- One pair of 700 x 50 Soma Cazadero tires - never used: $80

Prices don’t include shipping. Individual items can be shipped together to
reduce costs. Please send a zip code and I can supply shipping
information. Any Questions or comments send me a message.

Pictures

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Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

2023-06-07 Thread tellyoutoday

This was a great time, thanks for putting it together, Houston. Really nice 
meeting everyone!

Neale
On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 2:37:54 PM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:

> So sorry to have missed this!
>
> Looks like it was a hoot.
>
> Let plan another ride soon.
>
> k.
>
> On May 28, 2023, at 10:26 AM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
>
> Super fun!
>
> A good pile of Rivs. A number of other cool bikes. Even two e-bikes.
> Great conversation, everyone was super positive. Total type 1 fun.
>
> See you all at the next one!
>
> Ben
>
> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 9:28:47 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>
>> Great photos! I’ll definitely be at the next one. 
>>
>> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 7:08:04 PM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> It was really nice meeting everyone today. Thanks for putting this 
>>> together, Houston! -Matt
>>>
>>> [image: 52930629896_37f8dac6c8_k.jpg]
>>> [image: 52931014820_aa47186b7d_k.jpg]
>>> [image: 52931069163_9fa788d6e4_k.jpg]
>>> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 8:27:54 AM UTC-7 chris@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Same here, see you all in a bit. 

 Sent from my iPhone

 On May 27, 2023, at 8:23 AM, Bryce Dwyer  wrote:

 


 Hi all — on my way but will likely arrive right at 9:00
 On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 9:56:23 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm looking forward to seeing y'all this Saturday at Griffith for our 
> LA Riv meet-up! All riders are welcome, Riv bike owners or not. 
> Originally, 
> the meet-up was for 8 AM, but I want to push it back an hour to start in 
> some warmer weather. If anyone isn't cool with this, we can always go 
> back 
> to the og time, just LMK.
>
> *As a reminder, here are the details:*
>
> When: 9 AM 
> Where: Franklin's Cafe across from the Greek at 2650 N Vermont Ave, 
> Los Angeles, CA 90027
> Route: Loop around Vista del Valle to the Observatory around 10 mi 
> with 1k ft. of climbing
>
> Optional Extras: If people want, we can throw in a pie stop at House 
> of Pies after the Observatory &/or add on the Hollywood Sign climb for 
> folks who want to do some more climbing!
>
> -Houston
>
> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 3:55:01 PM UTC-7 dwyer...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm planning on attending as well. Also thinking about the "single 
>> scoop" for the LA Invitational. 
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 2:04 PM David Person  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've marked my calendar.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:32:49 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>>
 [image: RBWLAMeetup.jpg]
 On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:56:40 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson 
 wrote:

> Hi y'all,
>
> Thank you for all of your feedback/responses! It's looking like 
> May 27th has the highest level of availability! We can always adjust 
> specifics closer to the date, but for now let's keep the 
> morning/afternoon 
> of the 27th open. As a tentative plan, let's meet at Franklin's Cafe 
> across 
> from the Greek at 8 am. 
>
> Isaac and Matt, I'm gonna try to make it out to the Cub House that 
> weekend...it looks so sick! 
>
> So excited to meet everyone! 
>
> -Houston
>
> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:48:04 AM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Valley head checking in; I can't commit to any May dates but 
>> wanted rep the set.
>>
>> For awareness, Isaac is talking about the 2023 Los Angeles 
>> Invitational (Everyone's invited) 5/20 - 5/21 
>> . John Prolly's write 
>> 2022 write-up: A Weekend at The Cub House’s 2022 LA Invitational 
>> 
>> I signed up for the 55 mile ride on Saturday and reserved a spot 
>> at the swap. It's a great event and everyone is super nice. The swap 
>> is 
>> really good too because sellers usually have interesting or high end 
>> items.
>> -Matt
>>
>> [image: losangelesinvitational.jpg]
>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:14:29 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> @isaac -- The Cub House events are right around the corner from 
>>> meexcellent bike shop. And their community events are a blast. 
>>> Definitely a great opportunity for a Pasadena ride especially since 
>>> there 
>>> are a ton of good coffee shops in the area.
>>>
>>> @bryce -- Yep, that was orange Sam at Palomares Adobe. What a 
>>> great location. My daughter and I were attending the 626 event and 
>>> happened 
>>> upon the grounds. Will definitely go back there with th

Re: [RBW] Re: Whoosa Getting an Appaloosa? 2023

2023-06-07 Thread Tim Tolls

I just ordered a 57cm purple one and will likely do Antonio's build.  I'm 
really excited.  I had a purple MB-2 from around 92' that met its fate too 
early 20 years ago on top of my buddy's roof rack in a low garage... I 
imagine most of you can 100% relate to obsessing over your next bike.  I 
think it's actually pretty funny - but I'm super excited.


On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 6:09:50 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:


LOL, Brendon, fourth? 


My first one was actually my partner's RBW blue 51cm appa. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 62cm Hunqapillar Frameset

2023-06-07 Thread Daniel Rooke

Sold

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 12:31:55 PM UTC-6 Daniel Rooke wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
> I have a nice 62cm Hunqapillar frameset for sale.  I bought it built up 
> off the list about a year ago but it’s always been too big for me so I’m 
> reluctantly selling it.  I think it’s been sold a few times here but seems 
> to be in good shape.  There is some slight damage to the chain stay, which 
> is visible in one of the photos.  Other than that some paint chips and 
> scratches and signs of use.  Included with sale will be an FSA headset and 
> Shimano bottom bracket - both installed - and a 28.6” Nitto seat post. 
>  This was one of the frames made with that size seat post. Additionally I 
> have tig-welded Nitto Bullmoose Handlebars that I could include for an 
> additional $120.  They were never used but installed once.  
>
> As far as shipping I have a box I could use and can pack it carefully 
> myself.  I think shipping would be approximately $100 but can get an exact 
> quote when sold and knowing what zip code I’m shipping to.  Also, I can 
> take it to my local bike shop to have them pack and ship it. That will take 
> longer - the last time I inquired it was a 10 day lead time to pack and 
> ship, but that may have gone down.  I would estimate an additional $100 for 
> that.
>
> I'm thinking $1350 for the frameset plus whatever shipping option you 
> choose.  Most payment methods would work.
>
> Photos 
> 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Whoosa Getting an Appaloosa? 2023

I'll be playing the Appaloosa lotto today. Pretty sure I'll be fighting for
a purple but, honestly, I love both colors so I'll be happy with either of
them. Just not sure if I want a 54 or a 57...

On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 10:44 AM Eric Marth  wrote:

> LOL, Brendon, fourth?
>
> I knew you had two... what did I miss? Silver, orange and a third.
>
> On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 10:39:52 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>
>>
>> Would almost buy a fourth appaloosa for that purple alone.
>> *Almost.*
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Whoosa Getting an Appaloosa? 2023

Got my 57 in purp!

On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 3:06 PM Keith Weaver  wrote:

> Looks like I got mine! All paid for, and order confirmation received. I'm
> seeing some have already sold out.
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 8:45 AM Keith Weaver 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm hoping to get one, have been planning the build for months now. I
>> have a pair of Velo Orange Crazy Bars that I bought for a 90s MTB
>> conversion. That MTB had such a short steer tube I couldn't make it work,
>> but I kept the bars. We'll see if they work for the Appaloosa. I do have a
>> pair of Albatross bars around as a backup. I bought a used pair of Vittoria
>> Terreno Dry tires (Thanks, Joe!) that are 47 mm wide as my starter pair.
>> Not sure what type of tire I'll end up with, but these look like a decent
>> compromise to start.
>>
>> It's been a lot of fun acquiring old parts, I'm going with an XTR rear
>> derailleur, Dura-ace clamp-on front, XT parallel-push V-brakes. I had Rich
>> build up a pair of wheels with a SON dynamo, also my first dynamo bike.
>>
>> I'm going for the Limeolive, can't quite get excited about the purple. I
>> really wanted mermaid, but oh well.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Keith
>>
>> On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 7:16 AM Johnny Alien 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am shocked thats a hot color honestly. I am not a huge fan and
>>> Rivendell is set on making every bike in that color at this point. Then
>>> again I am not in the market for a new bike right now so it doesn't affect
>>> me. :)
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 10:12:49 AM UTC-4 John A. Bennett wrote:
>>>
 *I'd say if you want a purple Joe Appaloosa, pretend it's 2021. *

 On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 5:26:07 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi all — Who's getting an Appaloosa today? What color frame? Are you
> building it up or Rivendell? How are you specifying the build? What size
> tires? Which bars?
>
> I got mine built up in 2021 and had it built by Mark Abele at Riv. But
> within a year I'd replaced the bars, stem, shifters, front wheel, rear
> derailer, front derailer and maybe something else I'm forgetting! It's 
> been
> a great bike.
>
> Best of luck to everyone logging on today, I hope the sale is nice and
> relaxed rather than a frantic shootout. Back in 2021 the Platypus and
> Appaloosa frames sold out with lightning speed. It seems things have 
> calmed
> a bit based on the last several frame releases.
>
> Let us know what you're ordering.
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[RBW] WTB: Bridgestone Seatpost Binder Bolt ('94 RB-T)

2023-06-07 Thread Josh McClary

I realize this is a long shot, but does anyone happen to have an old 
Bridgestone seatpost binder nut and bolt like the one pictured here? I've 
got it rigged up right now with brake nut but it's ugly. This is for a '94 
RB-T.[image: bstone_binder_0ee10f62cd8c1d951b78117fadb49b80bcd6223a.jpg]

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Re: [RBW] FS: Sackville Trunksacks, Olive & Khaki

2023-06-07 Thread Jacob Kersey

Both sacks spoken for, thanks everyone.
-Jacob

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 11:41:46 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

PM sent at 12:40 pm MDST ...

Patrick "Oh, me! Me! Me!" Moore

On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 12:32 PM Jacob Kersey wrote:

Hello RBW bunchers,

Found a pair of forgotten small Rivendell/Sackville Trunksacks in the back
of my closet, can't see myself using these much in the future after
switching up my rack setup, so hoping they'll find a new home where they'll
get a bit more action than they saw under my watch.

How about $60 shipped for each bag (CONUSA via Pirateship), or $110 shipped
if you want the pair? They're in excellent barely-used condition, see
photos here:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/qyKDSDDpbh6hRgUS7

PayPal F&F preferred, please message me directly with any questions or
interest.

Thanks folks

-Jacob in Oakland

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[RBW] Need help sizing for the upcoming Appaloosa

Long rambling post ahead, but bear with me...

Folks, I'm stressing about this way more than is probably necessary but
I've been pining for an Appaloosa for years and I really want to make sure
I won't be bummed out by a poor fit. So, here's the deal. I called Riv and
spoke with Roman. After discussing my current bike and my size he suggested
the 57cm. Now, I'm not doubting his knowledge on the subject but I can't
wrap my head around the difference in measurements between what I'm
currently riding and the 57cm Appaloosa and I'm hoping maybe to get some
more opinions on the subject to either help me be comfortable with the idea
of the 57 or realize that I need the 54...

Current bike has the following measurements:
58cm ETT, approx. 39cm reach, 57cm stack and 83cm standover

The 57cm Appa has:
62.5cm ETT, 41.3cm reach, 63.5cm stack and 85.2cm standover

The 54cm Appa has:
59.8cm ETT, 39.6cm reach, 60.3cm stack and 82.3cm standover

My PBH is around 87cm so I have plenty of room for either size

My current bike has a standard setback seatpost with a B17 saddle. I have a
100mm quill stem and Velo Orange, 50m randonneur bars and 170mm crank arms.
In this configuration, the bike is almost perfect.

Now, I think I'd be quite happy with the additional standover and stack
height; my current bike has around 160mm of steerer sticking up out of the
head tube, so being able to drop that by 70mm would be aesthetically
beneficial. Not to mention the extra top tube length combined with the more
slack head tube of the Appa might prevent the toe overlap And since I'm
currently running a 100mm stem, I can easily cut that back to accommodate
the additional reach.

My main concern with the 57cm Appa is the ETT length as it relates to my
knee angle / knee-ankle line. I seem to have a fairly short femur as I'm
always having to push my saddles fairly far forward to get my knee in line
with, or slightly over my ankle to avoid pain in my knees. Being that my
current bike has only about 1-2cm of additional room on the rails to slide
the seat forward, and the 57cm Appa effectively places the seat tube
another 2cm further back, I'm concerned I'm going to end up unable to
achieve the necessary knee/ankle alignment.

So, now that I have probably made myself sound sufficiently insane and
obsessive, give me some opinions. Maybe there's a 0 setback 26.8 seatpost
that could bail me out if it's a problem? Will the other differences in the
frame geometry compensate for the differences in ways I'm not considering?
Hit me with anything you think might be relevant :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dynamo Wiring inside the Fork and Frame?

It's a bit of mess right now, but here's the wiring for my GBW:

For the bottom we reemed out the hole near the drop outs ever so slightly
to let the wires fit through and water sealed it with some goop (hot glue):
https://photos.app.goo.gl/r5PvzDjBGAFrSycc7

For the top we used a downtube barrel adjuster we found with the same
thread pitch as a mounting screw and threaded the wire through it to avoid
having to negotiate the 90º bend at the top (done that on another bike and
cursed every minute of it). Once again, we sealed the hole with goop:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/MH6KwkcRCUgXvinC7

Hope the additional reference material helps.

On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 3:08 PM brizbarn  wrote:

> Christian, thanks for the pics and example.  I have some of the Velo
> Lumino wire.  With a a B&M light, would I need to run two wires to a rear
> B&M light?  Or do something similar to what you show in your pics,
> grounding to the frame on both the headlight and taillight ends, and just
> running one length of wire to the rear light?   Splitting a single length
> of Velo Lumino wire into two and adding spade terminals would not work,
> right?
>
> On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 9:57:03 AM UTC-7 christian poppell wrote:
>
>> Hey Matthew,
>>
>> Smaller wire is fine. The wire that Velo Lumino sells is perfect. Any 22
>> or 24gauge multistrand wire would work but the Velo Lumino wire is flexible
>> and has very durable insulation. You could also seperate the BM dual strand
>> wire. The insulation is thicker and less durable but works fine.
>>
>> If the hole diameter is too small to pull two wires you can ground
>> through the frame. Ground one side of the dynamo to the fork eyelet
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/xBqTJ575zxQkeUC49 then ground one side of the
>> light to the mount or other hard point
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/wPGMviZF9n5cYycn6. Run a single wire through
>> the fork and connect to the light.
>>
>> Hope that makes sense! I can draw up a diagram if thats helpful. How much
>> wire do you need? I might have some to spare if needed. Also what light and
>> dynamo are you using?
>>
>> Christian
>> Phoenix, AZ
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 9:53:38 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> In the weeks to come I’m going to be revisiting the wire-inside-the-fork
>>> trick. However, the hole is too small for the existing dynamo wires and I
>>> do not want to enlarge the hole.
>>>
>>> What would happen if I used a smaller-gauge wire inside the fork, to
>>> connect the dynamo to the headlight?
>>>
>>> Will a smaller-gauge wire be unable to handle the voltage/amperage from
>>> the dynamo? Will the headlight and taillight outputs be weaker? Or will the
>>> difference between the existing/stock wire and a smaller gauge be
>>> imperceptible?
>>>
>>> As always, your wisdom, advice, experience, and opinions are appreciated!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 10:13:40 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> Most bikes I see with the SON dynamo have the wire wound around the
>>> right front fork blade. I want to run the wire inside the fork using the
>>> small hole near the dropout.
>>>
>>> I’ve already fished a thin wire through the fork as a leader i.e. I can
>>> attach the leader to the SON dynamo wire and pull it through the fork,
>>> unless the dynamo wire is too thick. Below are photos of the leader wire I
>>> fished through the fork.
>>>
>>> Is this possible, or is it a bad idea? Has anyone here managed to
>>> achieve this setup? If so, how did you do it, and please post photos of
>>> your internal wiring setups!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s say I made my Clem into a “gravel bike”

2023-06-07 Thread Steve

Ted, goose poop is definitely worse. 
Zoology 101; geese (as do all birds) excrete their urine through the same 
orifice as their stool. So, for the record, goose poop is an acidic mix of 
piss and $H!T. 

Use FENDERS and just say NO to bird poo! 
On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 4:39:52 PM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 3:35:01 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I'm curious now. Is goose poop worse than horse poop?
>
> Well, at the risk of seriously derailing the thread, ... that depends. 
> Fresh horse poop is pretty bad but it dries out quickly and then isn't a 
> problem. Goose poop stays an icky, gooey, smelly mess for a long time and 
> is a putrid green color. To try to keep this on topic ... I don't mind 
> riding without fenders where there will be horse poop. I'll do anything to 
> avoid riding without fenders through goose poop.
>
> It probably matters that I've owned a horse and so I'm kind of fond of the 
> smell of horse poop.
>
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> Milwaukee, WI USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s say I made my Clem into a “gravel bike”

2023-06-07 Thread Steve

Piaw, , goose poop is definitely worse. 

Zoology 101; geese (as do all birds) excrete their urine through the same 
orifice as their stool. So, for the record, goose poop is an acidic mix of 
piss and $H!T. 

Use FENDERS and just say NO to bird poo! 

On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 4:35:01 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm curious now. Is goose poop worse than horse poop?
>
> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 1:30:58 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 9:10:11 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I find a use for them nearly every ride - there is always some puddle or 
>> a bunch of goose poop that makes me thank my lucky stars for fenders. 
>>
>>
>> LOL, yeah, we've had no rain for a month here and the goose poop at the 
>> lakefront is epic right now. +1 for fenders.
>>
>> That said, I have yet to find any goose poop on a gravel road. Our 
>> Wisconsin network of crushed limestone rail-trails, on the other hand, can 
>> be full of stuff you don't want spraying on your legs and back. Last year I 
>> did a 300km loop around SE Wisconsin, 111km of which was on trails. It 
>> didn't rain on us, but it had rained the day before, and some of the trails 
>> were still pretty damp. I was very happy to have fenders, even though there 
>> was a fair amount of sand rattling around in them. The guy riding behind me 
>> was sure glad I had them.
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Gauging interest: Brass cable housing clamps

Not sure if my last message went through or not since I don’t think my
email had been approved for the list yet. I’m interested.

On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 8:07 PM P W  wrote:

> Count me in for a couple!
>
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> On Jun 1, 2023, at 5:11 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
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> Hello friends — I recently found some nice brass cable housing clamps.
> The manufacturer liked my pictures and asked if I'd be interested in
> importing some for other cyclists.
>
> I love the idea but I'm just not sure how many I could sell.
>
> The clamps are $10/each before shipping costs are factored in. They're
> made from solid brass in the UK. It's a two-piece clamp, bolt, two washers
> and an 8mm hex nut. These were designed to hold fuel pipes on old British
> race cars! But they fit 5mm housing very well.
>
> If you're interested, drop me a line and let's see if we can get some nice
> clamps on our non-aero cables. I think they're work anywhere you need to
> clamp your housing.
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[RBW] Re: Leo Roadini, Mustachioed & More

2023-06-07 Thread Chester

DavidP wrote:

If switching from drops I'd be tempted to try an Albastache over a 
Mustache. If the stem feels short with a drop bar it's probably about right 
for a 'stache. 


I totally was/am tempted by the Albastache. I'm leaning Mustache because 
the Albastache ends seem to come back maybe 1-2" further back than the 
Mustache ends. And if I do barcon shifting then it'll be good to have more 
rearward clearance for stoplight trackstands. I also think because the stem 
is short for me, it's probably better to have the slightly more drop that 
the Mustache has compared to the Albastache at or near the bar ends. And I 
don't know but I hope that the forward curves will be perfect reach for me 
with a 5cm stem. Should be a little shorter reach than what I'm used to 
when riding hoods on drop bars on bikes with longer stems, and a little 
longer than the tops riding reach I'm used to. *Think* there's a good 
chance it's just about perfect to be the most comfortable and most aero 
position. 

 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

If the bike came with mid-reach Shimano brakes you're unlikely to get 
anything wider than 38mm in clearance no matter what brakes you run.  It's 
also unlikely that centerpull calipers will provide appreciably more 
stopping power than the Shimano dual pivot calipers which already have 
plenty of stopping power, though you might get more a little more tire 
clearance.


I haven't felt any anxiety over stopping power of them. I haven't done any 
fast descents, but I have on another bike with mid-reach Ultregra calipers. 
I don't have any personal reason to worry about long-reach but came across 
threads in which people were bemoaning reduced stopping power specifically 
when going from mid-reach to long-reach or going with long-reach instead of 
centerpull. So that spooked me a little but maybe I should just ignore that.

Thanks so much for the link to the Tumblr page for the 2017 version of the 
Roadini. Sorta jibes with what Ed told me. He said I might be able to get 
35mm in there with the sidepulls. But I guess that text from Grant was 
presuming use of their complete stock build's mid-reach sidepulls? Because 
Ed said he fitted 38mm tires (Panaracer Pasela PT) into this 2017 frame, 
when he had DC-610 calipers in there. He also seemed to feel like there is 
room in the frame for more than 38mm with centerpulls and I read in your 
1000 mile review that you got 40mm in yours. I don't know if I'm 
reading/guessing wrong but it seems that the Roadini's frame clearance 
hasn't changed, but the stock complete brake spec has.

But, in any case, appreciate the confirmation that I need to switch to 
centerpull to get beyond 35mm. I'll just chill out on all the possible 
changes and get Ed's money's worth out of the 32mm Stampede Passes. Wait 
until I wear them out and then try out 35mm and maybe tubeless.

pi...@gmail.com wrote:

If the bike came with mid-reach Shimano brakes you're unlikely to get 
anything wider than 38mm in clearance no matter what brakes you run.  It's 
also unlikely that centerpull calipers will provide appreciably more 
stopping power than the Shimano dual pivot calipers which already have 
plenty of stopping power, though you might get more a little more tire 
clearance.

It's hilarious that you think the South Bay isn't ideal country for 
hillibike riding --- there are lots of combination rides that minimize 
climbing off pavement --- for instance, you could climb Montebello road and 
descend Stevens Canyon fire trail. Or climb Highway 9 and use all the dirt 
connectors from Saratoga gap to Russian Ridge OSP and descend Crazy Pete's 
and Dirt Alpine (or Stevens Canyon).  I wouldn't hesitate to take my 
Roadini to El Corte Madera Creek preserve either --- a little bit of 
walking never killed anyone. I've ridden all over the world and for 
year-round day riding it's really difficult to beat the Bay Area or even 
come close.


What I had in mind when I was thinking of some platonic "ideal" is living 
amidst country gravel roads, and maybe with more gentle rolling terrain. 
Not dogging on what we have here. I've appreciated reading your blog 
entries and I've been working back up to the fitness to explore and ride 
routes and spots you're describing. A Montebello variant is way up the 
list. Frankly, I'm also working my way out of paranoia after giving up 
extended road riding when I became a father.

Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:

Albastache are undeniably great bars, but for my (less) money, Soma 3 speed 
2’s are the greatest mustache on the planet.


Looked at those, too. Liked how the center section between the forward 
bends is a bit wider. But still stuck with leaning Nitto because the Soma 
bar ends seem to come back about 10cm further and the Nittos already will 
give me clearance issues with bar-cons...with the short 5cm existing stem.

The Ergon grips you have on with the Dirt Drops are GC1 not GP1, right? 
I've been wondering about how these would feel on a straight

Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s say I made my Clem into a “gravel bike”

Even in high desert ABQ, NM with a citywide average of 9.5", fenders are
useful and not merely ornamental; 3 of my 4 bikes have them. Our monsoon
has been coyly making an early appearance with brief (<10 minute) showers
(here they record 0.05" amounts); I put off a very short ride to
Albertson's just now because of cars splashing thru road puddles, even tho'
I have fenders.

Wildlife: We have plenty of horses and geese, but while I see plenty of
horse shit -- for which I *am* glad to have fenders -- I don't recall
seeing any from geese along the right of way, pavement or dirt, despite
riding through many family hangouts.

On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 3:11 PM Mackenzy Albright <
mackenzy.albri...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've really learned to love fenders (honjo/VO) even outside of rainy
> season. Keeps a lot of dust and dirt off the drive train if placed
> correctly, reducing wear and maintenance. Sometimes there are unavoidable
> puddles or wet spots. Animal waste. Human waste. (City riding) keep bags
> and strapped things from rubbing. They look COOL.
>
> I'd like to have an bike without fenders. But I really just love fenders...
>
> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 1:39:52 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 3:35:01 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I'm curious now. Is goose poop worse than horse poop?
>>
>> Well, at the risk of seriously derailing the thread, ... that depends.
>> Fresh horse poop is pretty bad but it dries out quickly and then isn't a
>> problem. Goose poop stays an icky, gooey, smelly mess for a long time and
>> is a putrid green color. To try to keep this on topic ... I don't mind
>> riding without fenders where there will be horse poop. I'll do anything to
>> avoid riding without fenders through goose poop.
>>
>> It probably matters that I've owned a horse and so I'm kind of fond of
>> the smell of horse poop.
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: I spy a yellow Platypus

I'm not a yellow bike fan, but I have to say that your Platypus does look
pretty; I don't know, perhaps different colors look better on different
types of bike?

I always considered my yellow w/black accents Motobecane Grand Record to be
a rather ugly bike, tho' it was a beater so that didn't matter.

The yellow, silver, white, grey, and black somehow go well together; that
crankset with guard, big ring, small ring, somehow looks very appealing. I
have to confess that the -- sorry, a bit color blind, but they do stand up
and shout -- bright purple? Pink? - pedals upset my equilibrium, but
perhaps that's intentional. I put bright orange bar tape on my Brit Rac
Green Matthews, and used bright yellow 3M tape to finish off the black tape
on the earlier MAP bar on my black Monocog -- which currently has a temp
tape job of black scraps spliced together with white 3M tape.

On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 6:06 PM Sarah Carlson 
wrote:

> Yes, this is the dream realized Yellow Platypus! And I have been very very
> absent from social media because I cannot stop riding this bike!
>
>
> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 2:27:41 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> Yes! Good eye, Max! And Ryan, good memory! My RivSister (we met on
>> Instagram) wanted a yellow Platy and we have been planning and dreaming for
>> weeks, and here it finally is. I will start a new thread about her bike
>> (she asked me to because she isn’t in love with technology) tonight,
>> probably late. She’s out riding and is on West Coast time and I’m in
>> Eastern, so there’s a little delay. Anyway, as soon as she answers the
>> questions I have and hands me the photos she wants, I’ll be back with the
>> details. I’m so happy for her!
>> Leah
>>
>> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 4:26:41 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Oooh nice! I feel like Leah mentioned someone getting a Platypus and
>>> wanting to paint it yellow fairly recently...within the last 6 months or
>>> so.
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 2:23:24 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 Did you see the yellow platy on Insta? OMG!

 Posting here for those without social media accounts

 Max
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[RBW] Re: Need help sizing for the upcoming Appaloosa

2023-06-07 Thread Hoch in ut


Ted, are you setting up the Appaloosa with dropbars or flat bars? 
On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 6:09:50 PM UTC-6 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> Long rambling post ahead, but bear with me...
>
> Folks, I'm stressing about this way more than is probably necessary but 
> I've been pining for an Appaloosa for years and I really want to make sure 
> I won't be bummed out by a poor fit. So, here's the deal. I called Riv and 
> spoke with Roman. After discussing my current bike and my size he suggested 
> the 57cm. Now, I'm not doubting his knowledge on the subject but I can't 
> wrap my head around the difference in measurements between what I'm 
> currently riding and the 57cm Appaloosa and I'm hoping maybe to get some 
> more opinions on the subject to either help me be comfortable with the idea 
> of the 57 or realize that I need the 54...
>
> Current bike has the following measurements:
> 58cm ETT, approx. 39cm reach, 57cm stack and 83cm standover
>
> The 57cm Appa has:
> 62.5cm ETT, 41.3cm reach, 63.5cm stack and 85.2cm standover
>
> The 54cm Appa has:
> 59.8cm ETT, 39.6cm reach, 60.3cm stack and 82.3cm standover
>
> My PBH is around 87cm so I have plenty of room for either size
>
> My current bike has a standard setback seatpost with a B17 saddle. I have 
> a 100mm quill stem and Velo Orange, 50m randonneur bars and 170mm crank 
> arms. In this configuration, the bike is almost perfect. 
>
> Now, I think I'd be quite happy with the additional standover and stack 
> height; my current bike has around 160mm of steerer sticking up out of the 
> head tube, so being able to drop that by 70mm would be aesthetically 
> beneficial. Not to mention the extra top tube length combined with the more 
> slack head tube of the Appa might prevent the toe overlap And since I'm 
> currently running a 100mm stem, I can easily cut that back to accommodate 
> the additional reach.
>
> My main concern with the 57cm Appa is the ETT length as it relates to my 
> knee angle / knee-ankle line. I seem to have a fairly short femur as I'm 
> always having to push my saddles fairly far forward to get my knee in line 
> with, or slightly over my ankle to avoid pain in my knees. Being that my 
> current bike has only about 1-2cm of additional room on the rails to slide 
> the seat forward, and the 57cm Appa effectively places the seat tube 
> another 2cm further back, I'm concerned I'm going to end up unable to 
> achieve the necessary knee/ankle alignment.
>
> So, now that I have probably made myself sound sufficiently insane and 
> obsessive, give me some opinions. Maybe there's a 0 setback 26.8 seatpost 
> that could bail me out if it's a problem? Will the other differences in the 
> frame geometry compensate for the differences in ways I'm not considering? 
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Re: [RBW] Re: I spy a yellow Platypus

It looks nicer than Leah's purple one. (Ugh.)

On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 7:27 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I'm not a yellow bike fan, but I have to say that your Platypus does look
> pretty ...
>

On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 6:06 PM Sarah Carlson 
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> Yes, this is the dream realized Yellow Platypus! And I have been very very
> absent from social media because I cannot stop riding this bike!
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Re: [RBW] Re: I spy a yellow Platypus

2023-06-07 Thread Leah Peterson

Patrick Moore-Or-Less, you will forever bait me! Your color blindness has warped my sparkling raspberry into purple?! Sigh.On Jun 7, 2023, at 9:31 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:It looks nicer than Leah's purple one. (Ugh.)On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 7:27 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:I'm not a yellow bike fan, but I have to say that your Platypus does look pretty ...On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 6:06 PM Sarah Carlson  wrote:Yes, this is the dream realized Yellow Platypus! And I have been very very absent from social media because I cannot stop riding this bike!



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Re: [RBW] Re: I spy a yellow Platypus

I tease. Your purple lavender orange red Platypus is indeed pretty.

On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 7:38 PM Leah Peterson 
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> Patrick Moore-Or-Less, you will forever bait me! Your color blindness has
> warped my sparkling raspberry into purple?! Sigh.
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[RBW] Re: Need help sizing for the upcoming Appaloosa

2023-06-07 Thread DavidP

Hoch's question about intended bars gets to the crux of choosing a frame 
size, I think - you want a larger roomier frame for swept back bars and 
less reach for drop bars though by changing stem length you can likely get 
both bars to work on either.

I have the same PBH as you and am comfortable on drop bar bikes with 58cm 
ETT. By comparison the ETT on my 60cm Platy seems astronomical, and yet I 
run a 120mm stem along with swept back bars and have a fairly upright 
position (~75deg back angle) when back on the grips.

With regards to your concern about reach - I may be missing something but 
the extra 2cm reach also means the BB moves back along with the seat tube 
(since reach is measured from BB forward) so the saddle / knee / pedal 
alignment isn't impacted? What would impact the saddle to BB alignment is a 
difference in seat tube angle.

Have you compared the bike geometries on Bike Insights?
https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=646ed3ba6c60a90021cb6aa5,,

On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 9:28:44 PM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:

>
> Ted, are you setting up the Appaloosa with dropbars or flat bars? 
> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 6:09:50 PM UTC-6 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Long rambling post ahead, but bear with me...
>>
>> Folks, I'm stressing about this way more than is probably necessary but 
>> I've been pining for an Appaloosa for years and I really want to make sure 
>> I won't be bummed out by a poor fit. So, here's the deal. I called Riv and 
>> spoke with Roman. After discussing my current bike and my size he suggested 
>> the 57cm. Now, I'm not doubting his knowledge on the subject but I can't 
>> wrap my head around the difference in measurements between what I'm 
>> currently riding and the 57cm Appaloosa and I'm hoping maybe to get some 
>> more opinions on the subject to either help me be comfortable with the idea 
>> of the 57 or realize that I need the 54...
>>
>> Current bike has the following measurements:
>> 58cm ETT, approx. 39cm reach, 57cm stack and 83cm standover
>>
>> The 57cm Appa has:
>> 62.5cm ETT, 41.3cm reach, 63.5cm stack and 85.2cm standover
>>
>> The 54cm Appa has:
>> 59.8cm ETT, 39.6cm reach, 60.3cm stack and 82.3cm standover
>>
>> My PBH is around 87cm so I have plenty of room for either size
>>
>> My current bike has a standard setback seatpost with a B17 saddle. I have 
>> a 100mm quill stem and Velo Orange, 50m randonneur bars and 170mm crank 
>> arms. In this configuration, the bike is almost perfect. 
>>
>> Now, I think I'd be quite happy with the additional standover and stack 
>> height; my current bike has around 160mm of steerer sticking up out of the 
>> head tube, so being able to drop that by 70mm would be aesthetically 
>> beneficial. Not to mention the extra top tube length combined with the more 
>> slack head tube of the Appa might prevent the toe overlap And since I'm 
>> currently running a 100mm stem, I can easily cut that back to accommodate 
>> the additional reach.
>>
>> My main concern with the 57cm Appa is the ETT length as it relates to my 
>> knee angle / knee-ankle line. I seem to have a fairly short femur as I'm 
>> always having to push my saddles fairly far forward to get my knee in line 
>> with, or slightly over my ankle to avoid pain in my knees. Being that my 
>> current bike has only about 1-2cm of additional room on the rails to slide 
>> the seat forward, and the 57cm Appa effectively places the seat tube 
>> another 2cm further back, I'm concerned I'm going to end up unable to 
>> achieve the necessary knee/ankle alignment.
>>
>> So, now that I have probably made myself sound sufficiently insane and 
>> obsessive, give me some opinions. Maybe there's a 0 setback 26.8 seatpost 
>> that could bail me out if it's a problem? Will the other differences in the 
>> frame geometry compensate for the differences in ways I'm not considering? 
>> Hit me with anything you think might be relevant :)
>>
>> -- 
>> Ted Wood < ted.l...@gmail.com >
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Summer Riding Photos 2023

2023-06-07 Thread Josh (BertoBerg)

Hi Patrick-

Thanks for the compliment! The bars are the Nitto 177 (aka the Noodle).

This is my road-gravel-singletrack bike hence the need for same wild 
gearing. Its a 38 in the front and a 10-42 in the back. I don't use the 36 
and 42 tooth cogs very often but when I do its usually on very steep and 
loose terrain. These bailout gears can be a life saver!

My other bikes are vintage road bikes so they use traditional 
gearing...53/39, 13-25, etc.

The tires are RH Snoqualmie Passes (700x44). They are great!

Josh Youngberg
Bainbridge Island, WA
USA


On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 7:46:08 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

Nice! I admire the saddle-to-bar drop and the flat ramps and ends-of-hooks. 
Maes Parallel?

One feature that is strange to me (that is a statement of personal feeling, 
not a value judgment) is the small ring and the huge inner cogs. I grew up 
with 52/42 and 14-24 5-speeds. What is the size of the chainring and the 
large cog? What is the small cog?

RH tires, but I can't make out the model; can you say?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Need help sizing for the upcoming Appaloosa

Thanks to the help from my LBS I was directed to bike insights and pulled
up another frame I own and compared it to the Appa. I came to the
conclusion that I should go with the 57cm based on the overlaid wire frames
of the bikes and purchased one of these in purple.

To Hoch’s question, I want to run drop bars. I’ve tried swept back bars on
my Gus and while I like it, this build will serve a different purpose and
I’m generally more comfortable with a more upright, drop bar position.

To expand a bit (ok a lot), the 57cm Appa had a difference of about 45mm
overall compared to the 54cm Surly Disc Trucker it will be replacing. I
naively purchased the trucker thinking I could get away with the smaller
frame to maintain 26” wheels by stretching it out with a longer stem and
long setback seat post. I was successful, however, in doing so I changed
the handling characteristics quite negatively (I believe due to extending
the reach so dramatically) and this make it feel like the front wheel
wanted to flop over when cornering. When lining up the BB in the wire frame
models, the seat tube and head tube angles of the two bikes were nearly
identical and the tops of the seat post collar was fairly similar. The
primary differences were the extended wheelbase of the Appa due to the
extra long chainstays and the head tube being about 45mm further forward,
as mentioned previously. So, this made it fairly easy to realize that I
could get the 57cm Appa and got quite nicely with a rather “normal” stem
length of around 50mm instead of the 120mm I needed on the Surly.

On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 10:33 PM DavidP  wrote:

> Hoch's question about intended bars gets to the crux of choosing a frame
> size, I think - you want a larger roomier frame for swept back bars and
> less reach for drop bars though by changing stem length you can likely get
> both bars to work on either.
>
> I have the same PBH as you and am comfortable on drop bar bikes with 58cm
> ETT. By comparison the ETT on my 60cm Platy seems astronomical, and yet I
> run a 120mm stem along with swept back bars and have a fairly upright
> position (~75deg back angle) when back on the grips.
>
> With regards to your concern about reach - I may be missing something but
> the extra 2cm reach also means the BB moves back along with the seat tube
> (since reach is measured from BB forward) so the saddle / knee / pedal
> alignment isn't impacted? What would impact the saddle to BB alignment is a
> difference in seat tube angle.
>
> Have you compared the bike geometries on Bike Insights?
> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=646ed3ba6c60a90021cb6aa5,,
>
> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 9:28:44 PM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>>
>> Ted, are you setting up the Appaloosa with dropbars or flat bars?
>> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 6:09:50 PM UTC-6 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Long rambling post ahead, but bear with me...
>>>
>>> Folks, I'm stressing about this way more than is probably necessary but
>>> I've been pining for an Appaloosa for years and I really want to make sure
>>> I won't be bummed out by a poor fit. So, here's the deal. I called Riv and
>>> spoke with Roman. After discussing my current bike and my size he suggested
>>> the 57cm. Now, I'm not doubting his knowledge on the subject but I can't
>>> wrap my head around the difference in measurements between what I'm
>>> currently riding and the 57cm Appaloosa and I'm hoping maybe to get some
>>> more opinions on the subject to either help me be comfortable with the idea
>>> of the 57 or realize that I need the 54...
>>>
>>> Current bike has the following measurements:
>>> 58cm ETT, approx. 39cm reach, 57cm stack and 83cm standover
>>>
>>> The 57cm Appa has:
>>> 62.5cm ETT, 41.3cm reach, 63.5cm stack and 85.2cm standover
>>>
>>> The 54cm Appa has:
>>> 59.8cm ETT, 39.6cm reach, 60.3cm stack and 82.3cm standover
>>>
>>> My PBH is around 87cm so I have plenty of room for either size
>>>
>>> My current bike has a standard setback seatpost with a B17 saddle. I
>>> have a 100mm quill stem and Velo Orange, 50m randonneur bars and 170mm
>>> crank arms. In this configuration, the bike is almost perfect.
>>>
>>> Now, I think I'd be quite happy with the additional standover and stack
>>> height; my current bike has around 160mm of steerer sticking up out of the
>>> head tube, so being able to drop that by 70mm would be aesthetically
>>> beneficial. Not to mention the extra top tube length combined with the more
>>> slack head tube of the Appa might prevent the toe overlap And since I'm
>>> currently running a 100mm stem, I can easily cut that back to accommodate
>>> the additional reach.
>>>
>>> My main concern with the 57cm Appa is the ETT length as it relates to my
>>> knee angle / knee-ankle line. I seem to have a fairly short femur as I'm
>>> always having to push my saddles fairly far forward to get my knee in line
>>> with, or slightly over my ankle to avoid pain in my knees. Being that my
>>> current bike has only about

[RBW] Re: I spy a yellow Platypus

2023-06-07 Thread J S


Great color. It may be my favorite, enjoy. 
On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 8:06:52 PM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yes, this is the dream realized Yellow Platypus! And I have been very very 
> absent from social media because I cannot stop riding this bike!
>
>
> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 2:27:41 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> Yes! Good eye, Max! And Ryan, good memory! My RivSister (we met on 
>> Instagram) wanted a yellow Platy and we have been planning and dreaming for 
>> weeks, and here it finally is. I will start a new thread about her bike 
>> (she asked me to because she isn’t in love with technology) tonight, 
>> probably late. She’s out riding and is on West Coast time and I’m in 
>> Eastern, so there’s a little delay. Anyway, as soon as she answers the 
>> questions I have and hands me the photos she wants, I’ll be back with the 
>> details. I’m so happy for her! 
>> Leah
>>
>> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 4:26:41 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Oooh nice! I feel like Leah mentioned someone getting a Platypus and 
>>> wanting to paint it yellow fairly recently...within the last 6 months or 
>>> so. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 2:23:24 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 Did you see the yellow platy on Insta? OMG!

 Posting here for those without social media accounts

 Max
 [image: 351013416_54772725404_237773184394501808_n.jpg]

>>>

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[RBW] Anyone local to Portland, OR able to assist ?

2023-06-07 Thread Eliot Balogh

Need facilitation for a small purchase. Seller won’t ship. Send me a DM if
you’re down to help.

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[RBW] Re: Leo Roadini, Mustachioed & More