[RBW] Re: Homer Hilsen: Braking performance

[Tom Palmer]

I have a Soma Buena Vista that can run 700c or 650b with the 559s. With 
700c braking is excellent with the pad is at the top of the brake slot. On 
the 650b braking is fair and the pad is at the very bottom of the slot.. 
Good enough to West Michigan, but would not even in the  hilly parts of 
Indiana. 
I have settled on 700c for this bike just because I like the braking and it 
fits 38s. 
Tom Palmer 
Twin Lake, MI

On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 4:27:52 AM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:

> I’m window shopping for the next project and was interested in the Homer. 
> Great looking frame. My only concern is the brakes. I live in a pretty 
> mountainous area. Meaning plenty of long, fast descents. 
>
> Those of you with Homers, how have you liked or disliked the brakes? Do 
> the 559’s give you adequate performance to descend with confidence? One 
> thing I do like about caliper brakes are how easy they are to set up and 
> adjust. 
> Thanks for any input. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

[brendonoid]

I was 100% buying a Charlie until the brake change now I am 95% not going 
to buy one. I have never had a problem with R559s and have used them on 
quite a few bikes but their clearance limitations are the real problem. Wet 
weather downhill performance can be weak but it isn't a deal breaker. I 
want big slicks on a road bike and the Charlie was going to be that bike 
for me. Oh well.

Thinking more and more about welding canti posts onto my old sidepull Sam 
instead though...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis Old vs New?

['peech1...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I am down to 2 bikes: a 2010 Hillborne and an Atlantis MIT.  Both are set 
up for upright riding with albatross bars.  I love them both.  Hillborne 
has the "toe clap overlip" (clever huh?) that the MIT doesn't.  Both have 
their merits with the hill borne seeming to be a zippier ride.  MIT is a 
tad more comfortable with 650b 47 tires as opposed to 700c 35 tires on the 
Sammy.  If I had to choose one bike it would be the Atlantis.  Just more 
comfortable and versatile.  Rivendell bikes really have improved my life.

On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 10:25:24 PM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:

> I've never ridden an atlantis, older or newer, But I do ride a '21 joe 
> appaloosa(60) (the joe is very similar to MIT atlantis) and a 
> rambouillet(62/63), so I feel I can comment a little on long vs. short 
> chainstays. 
>
> In addition to taking the joe out on road and gravel, i treat it as my 
> mountain bike. I've ridden a fair bit of twisty singletrack in NC and have 
> never really felt inhibited by the long chainstays. Anytime theres a turn I 
> can't make, I honestly wouldn't be able to do it on a shorter bike either. 
>
> Also, I recently did a little test ride with a new packing setup and I 
> felt it really demonstrated the magic of the long stays... rear rack and 
> panniers. Just honestly blown away by how roomy the bike is and how out of 
> the way the luggage is with the long rear end, and how little it affected 
> the good handling of the bike. I'm typically a front basket guy, but these 
> bikes do ride really nicely with the weight in the back. On other bikes 
> I've had issue with my heels hitting the bags.
>
> Now the Ram with the more traditional geometry is also a fantastic riding 
> bike. I'm not sure how the geometry compares to older atlantis', but the 
> rear end is considerably shorter than the joe and MIT atlantis'. I 
> currently run 700x38 panaracers on it and use it for paved and dirt roads. 
> Obviously not as stable as the Joe on gravel, but its really a road bike 
> and it kicks butt on pavement. I'd say I like the shorter rear end for pure 
> road riding. If it were sturdier I could imagine putting bags on it for a 
> tour, but it wouldn't be as spacious as the setup on the Joe.
>
> As others have stated, the older and newer atlantis' are really quite 
> different bikes, and in choosing between options you just need to analyze 
> what features you want. The newer models can fit bigger tires, are roomier, 
> more stable, but come at the cost of being humungo bikes. For me 
> personally, I like the extra tire clearance and I like having at least one 
> long chainstay bike. These days its a bit of a key rivendell feature. I 
> feel lucky to have both options in the stable.
>
> Also if its possible, the best thing to help in deciding is getting to try 
> each style out to see what suits you. Maybe there is someone living close 
> enough to you with a long chainstay bike you can try, or an older atlantis. 
> worth checking the riv map John created or asking the group.
>
> [image: joe.jpg]
> [image: ram.jpg]
> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:42:21 PM UTC-4 homer...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: image.jpg]My Toyo does not have “fork mounts” for a rack. Would 
>> that be a factor for consideration in your decision?… I will say that I 
>> LOVE this bike, but the combination of Paul “Moto-lites” & no fork mounts 
>> makes finding support for a front bag kind of tough.
>> Just a thought
>> HH
>> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 8:37:18 PM UTC-8 Ed Fausto wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I share the thoughts of Tom.
>>> I also have both a 51 Toyo Atlantis and a 50 MIT Atlantis.
>>> Although, I have used by Toyo Atlantis during my 2016 TransAm and it 
>>> performed well with a fully loaded gears.
>>> My only cons on my Toyo is the toe clip overlap which is annoying for me 
>>> specially when grinding up slowly uphills.
>>> I am by default a slow rider so toe clip often happens more frequently 
>>> than other riders.
>>>
>>> When I got my MIT, I feel the difference is it is more stable than my 
>>> Toyo.
>>> And of course, no more toe clip overlap :-)
>>> I have not yet ridden my MIT on long tours.
>>>
>>> As mentioned by others, since my MIT Atlantis is very much longer than 
>>> my Toyo, it could be a challenge finding boxes after a long tour.
>>> Regards,
>>> Ed Fausto
>>> Manila, Philippines
>>>
>>> PS Even with the toe clip overlap on my Toyo Atlantis, I will still keep 
>>> it due to sentimental reasons after my 2016 TransAm
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 10:57:12 AM UTC+8 Tom Horton wrote:
>>>
 Re my toyo atlantis and my mit  expect there s a bit of 
 sentimentality/long familiarity involved with the toyo

 Before i built the mit atlantis up for trail riding i had a drop bar on 
 it and did a few five or six day tours  not heavily loaded (carrying maybe 
 25-30 pounds if stuff)  it rode great   Never felt i wouldn t have gone 
 further on it

 But there s something a

[RBW] Re: Lighter than your Platypus

[Marc Irwin]

[image: Heavier Hunq.JPG]
Misguided weight weenies, all of you.  You want a better workout?  Get a 
heavier bike.

Marc

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 6:58:18 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> Mine feels light when riding it. 
>
> Roberta
> Philadelphia 
>
> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 8:05:57 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> 2016 Matthews "road bike for dirt" at 31.99 lb with full generous kit in 
>> frame bag, which also contains the capacitor and switching box for the 
>> K-Lite. 
>>
>> Dynamo lighting f and r, fenders of 2X thicker than your Honjos, with 2X 
>> thicker struts, rear rack, cages, and pedals. Not bad at all considering 
>> that the bag with its contents probably weighs close to 4 lb. 
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis Old vs New?

[luckyturnip]

My 2004 53 cm (54?) Atlantis with 26” wheels features toe overlap and not much room out back with a “fist full of seatpost”, for big baggage. It’s pretty nimble off road snd very stable on. Set up with Albatross, love it. On Apr 27, 2023, at 06:57, 'peech1...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:I am down to 2 bikes: a 2010 Hillborne and an Atlantis MIT.  Both are set up for upright riding with albatross bars.  I love them both.  Hillborne has the "toe clap overlip" (clever huh?) that the MIT doesn't.  Both have their merits with the hill borne seeming to be a zippier ride.  MIT is a tad more comfortable with 650b 47 tires as opposed to 700c 35 tires on the Sammy.  If I had to choose one bike it would be the Atlantis.  Just more comfortable and versatile.  Rivendell bikes really have improved my life.On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 10:25:24 PM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:I've never ridden an atlantis, older or newer, But I do ride a '21 joe appaloosa(60) (the joe is very similar to MIT atlantis) and a rambouillet(62/63), so I feel I can comment a little on long vs. short chainstays. In addition to taking the joe out on road and gravel, i treat it as my mountain bike. I've ridden a fair bit of twisty singletrack in NC and have never really felt inhibited by the long chainstays. Anytime theres a turn I can't make, I honestly wouldn't be able to do it on a shorter bike either. Also, I recently did a little test ride with a new packing setup and I felt it really demonstrated the magic of the long stays... rear rack and panniers. Just honestly blown away by how roomy the bike is and how out of the way the luggage is with the long rear end, and how little it affected the good handling of the bike. I'm typically a front basket guy, but these bikes do ride really nicely with the weight in the back. On other bikes I've had issue with my heels hitting the bags.Now the Ram with the more traditional geometry is also a fantastic riding bike. I'm not sure how the geometry compares to older atlantis', but the rear end is considerably shorter than the joe and MIT atlantis'. I currently run 700x38 panaracers on it and use it for paved and dirt roads. Obviously not as stable as the Joe on gravel, but its really a road bike and it kicks butt on pavement. I'd say I like the shorter rear end for pure road riding. If it were sturdier I could imagine putting bags on it for a tour, but it wouldn't be as spacious as the setup on the Joe.As others have stated, the older and newer atlantis' are really quite different bikes, and in choosing between options you just need to analyze what features you want. The newer models can fit bigger tires, are roomier, more stable, but come at the cost of being humungo bikes. For me personally, I like the extra tire clearance and I like having at least one long chainstay bike. These days its a bit of a key rivendell feature. I feel lucky to have both options in the stable.Also if its possible, the best thing to help in deciding is getting to try each style out to see what suits you. Maybe there is someone living close enough to you with a long chainstay bike you can try, or an older atlantis. worth checking the riv map John created or asking the group.On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:42:21 PM UTC-4 homer...@gmail.com wrote:My Toyo does not have “fork mounts” for a rack. Would that be a factor for consideration in your decision?… I will say that I LOVE this bike, but the combination of Paul “Moto-lites” & no fork mounts makes finding support for a front bag kind of tough.Just a thoughtHHOn Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 8:37:18 PM UTC-8 Ed Fausto wrote:Hi,I share the thoughts of Tom.I also have both a 51 Toyo Atlantis and a 50 MIT Atlantis.Although, I have used by Toyo Atlantis during my 2016 TransAm and it performed well with a fully loaded gears.My only cons on my Toyo is the toe clip overlap which is annoying for me specially when grinding up slowly uphills.I am by default a slow rider so toe clip often happens more frequently than other riders.When I got my MIT, I feel the difference is it is more stable than my Toyo.And of course, no more toe clip overlap :-)I have not yet ridden my MIT on long tours.As mentioned by others, since my MIT Atlantis is very much longer than my Toyo, it could be a challenge finding boxes after a long tour.Regards,Ed FaustoManila, PhilippinesPS Even with the toe clip overlap on my Toyo Atlantis, I will still keep it due to sentimental reasons after my 2016 TransAmOn Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 10:57:12 AM UTC+8 Tom Horton wrote:Re my toyo atlantis and my mit  expect there s a bit of sentimentality/long familiarity involved with the toyoBefore i built the mit atlantis up for trail riding i had a drop bar on it and did a few five or six day tours  not heavily loaded (carrying maybe 25-30 pounds if stuff)  it rode great   Never felt i wouldn t have gone further on itBut there s something about that massive toyo 68 a frame nowhere near maxed by my own 6-5 frame   I do not however 

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

[John Bokman]

@ Brendonoid: Wondering if you could not try Centerpulls on your Sam? They 
can be mighty effective. You could always braze on posts (I have done this 
on my Sam for the record) if the Centerpulls don't do it for you.

John
On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 6:31:28 AM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:

> I was 100% buying a Charlie until the brake change now I am 95% not going 
> to buy one. I have never had a problem with R559s and have used them on 
> quite a few bikes but their clearance limitations are the real problem. Wet 
> weather downhill performance can be weak but it isn't a deal breaker. I 
> want big slicks on a road bike and the Charlie was going to be that bike 
> for me. Oh well.
>
> Thinking more and more about welding canti posts onto my old sidepull Sam 
> instead though...
>

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[RBW] Re: Lighter than your Platypus

[Mike Godwin]

Patrick
I did not realize the Matthews had so many gears and cables and things 
hanging from its industrial frame. There's your problem. 

Mike "green Bob Jackson World Tour likely >31.99 lbs"  SLO CA

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 6:58:49 AM UTC-7 Marc Irwin wrote:

> [image: Heavier Hunq.JPG]
> Misguided weight weenies, all of you.  You want a better workout?  Get a 
> heavier bike.
>
> Marc
>
> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 6:58:18 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Mine feels light when riding it. 
>>
>> Roberta
>> Philadelphia 
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 8:05:57 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> 2016 Matthews "road bike for dirt" at 31.99 lb with full generous kit in 
>>> frame bag, which also contains the capacitor and switching box for the 
>>> K-Lite. 
>>>
>>> Dynamo lighting f and r, fenders of 2X thicker than your Honjos, with 2X 
>>> thicker struts, rear rack, cages, and pedals. Not bad at all considering 
>>> that the bag with its contents probably weighs close to 4 lb. 
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Houston Wilson]

Hi y'all,

Thank you for all of your feedback/responses! It's looking like May 27th 
has the highest level of availability! We can always adjust specifics 
closer to the date, but for now let's keep the morning/afternoon of the 
27th open. As a tentative plan, let's meet at Franklin's Cafe across from 
the Greek at 8 am. 

Isaac and Matt, I'm gonna try to make it out to the Cub House that 
weekend...it looks so sick! 

So excited to meet everyone! 

-Houston

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:48:04 AM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com wrote:

> Valley head checking in; I can't commit to any May dates but wanted rep 
> the set.
>
> For awareness, Isaac is talking about the 2023 Los Angeles Invitational 
> (Everyone's invited) 5/20 - 5/21 . 
> John Prolly's write 2022 write-up: A Weekend at The Cub House’s 2022 LA 
> Invitational 
> I signed up for the 55 mile ride on Saturday and reserved a spot at the 
> swap. It's a great event and everyone is super nice. The swap is really 
> good too because sellers usually have interesting or high end items.
> -Matt
>
> [image: losangelesinvitational.jpg]
> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:14:29 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>
>> @isaac -- The Cub House events are right around the corner from 
>> meexcellent bike shop. And their community events are a blast. 
>> Definitely a great opportunity for a Pasadena ride especially since there 
>> are a ton of good coffee shops in the area.
>>
>> @bryce -- Yep, that was orange Sam at Palomares Adobe. What a great 
>> location. My daughter and I were attending the 626 event and happened upon 
>> the grounds. Will definitely go back there with the rest of the family in 
>> the future. BTW, your Atlantis looks dialed in. Really love the handlebar 
>> setup, and will probably go that route once the Roaduno frames come out.
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 2:03:38 PM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Griffith Park would be doable for me 20th or 27th. 
>>>
>>> David 
>>> Black & Tan Sam
>>> Thousand Oaks
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 11:54:53 AM UTC-7 dwyer...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi all –– Atlantis rider in the Pomona Valley here. I could likely make 
 the 20th or the 27th, with a preference for the 27th.

 Tony: I think that was my Atlantis you saw! I'd guess that was your 
 parked orange Riv at the Palomares Adobe that I saw too. What a 
 coincidence!

 The Mt. Hollywood route is definitely a climb but it has some great 
 payoff! I usually just take a break or two on my way up.
 On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 9:00:35 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> I can make it on the 13th or 27th. Also, I teach for a living so the 
> schedule's wide open during the summer.
>
> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 10:21:18 AM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>
>> I am available on the 13th, but might be flexible on the 20th
>>
>> k.
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2023, at 9:35 AM, Brian Cunningham <
>> thisisbria...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Of those 3 dates, I’m only available on the 27th, but my tricky 
>> schedule is not everyone else’s problem. I’ll join you if that ends up 
>> being the best date for all parties involved.
>>
>>
>> Brian 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Houston Wilson  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yay, I'm loving hearing from y'all!
>>
>> 1. *Anyone have a preference for May 13th, 20th, or 27th?*
>>
>> 2. Regarding the route, it seems like most folks are out east, so 
>> Griffith seems like the best option. 
>>
>> Ted D.--point taken about Griffith + Hollywood sign not being very 
>> chill. So, probably best to just stick to griffith, but if anyone wants 
>> to 
>> ride to the Hollywood sign after, I'd be super down! 
>>
>> So, I'm thinking meet by the Greek and do a little loop up to Vista 
>> del Valle and around to the Observatory. This would be about 8 mi with 
>> ~1000 ft. of elevation. *I don't ride in griffith a ton, so if 
>> anyone has route suggestions/food spots to hit up before/after...please 
>> share haha! *
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 7:24:40 AM UTC-7 Bryan wrote:
>>
>>> Hi! I might be able to make it, schedule permitting. Sounds fun!
>>>
>>> Bryan Edgar 
>>> Valley Village
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 9:18:43 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>>
 Count me in. 

 I'm in South Pasadena (orange Hillborne bought in 2009). Haven't 
 browsed this forum in a few years, but decided to check in because I 
 wanted 
 to go on a group ride. Oddly enough, I saw a parked Atlantis at the 
 626 
 Golden Streets event yesterday. Seems like the perfect time to meet up 
 with 
 some other f

Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

[Drew Fitchette]

Hey All, 

A (Bridgestone riding) friend and I will likely be making the trek up from 
Atlanta for this! Excited to see all the bikes and meet everyone. 

- Drew

On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 10:36:02 PM UTC-4 James wrote:

> Curious to be in the loop as well.  I'm in Asheville but just unsure if 
> I'll be able to make the dates.  If I can, I will!
>
> On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 6:55:58 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>
>> Hi James,
>> Thanks for letting us know you might be interested in the Asheville 
>> weekend ride in July. I'll be starting to actually plan stuff in a couple 
>> of weeks with some other local Riv owners  and will definitely keep you in 
>> the loop.
>> Gary
>>
>> On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 5:17:15 PM UTC-4 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I would love to know more about Asheville area routes, once you folks do 
>>> this.  I was down there at the beginning of April for a couple of days and 
>>> definitely need to go back.  (I just wish it wasn't such a looong drive 
>>> from northern NJ.)
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 10:54:11 AM UTC-4 frank.b...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi all - I have been quietly tracking this conversation and am looking 
 at my work & life calendars to see if it is a feasible trip for me. I will 
 be traveling from Richmond, VA and appreciate all the thinking and effort 
 to get this going!
 -Frank 

 On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 9:48:02 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:

> Hi Pam! So glad you’re interested and hope you can make it. We will 
> certainly have lots of options ride-wise but haven’t nailed anything down 
> yet. Certainly lots of road and greenway options. Some of the gravel fire 
> roads are pretty mellow too. And we’ll definitely have time built in pre 
> and post ride for socializing, and I love your idea of a swap/sale/trade 
> opportunity. Maybe we could even let folks post what they are thinking 
> about bringing to make it more interesting.
>
> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 12:03:21 AM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I'm going to try to come.  I'd like roads.  What mileage options are 
>> we thinking about?  Obviously I would like plenty of time to see all the 
>> bikes and meet all the owners so plenty of stops along the way and some 
>> time at the beginning and end of the rides would be great.  Want to 
>> bring 
>> stuff to swap/sell/trade?  Want to have anything else like seeing gear 
>> such 
>> as favorite bags, tents, accoutrements?  Let me know how I can help. 
>>  
>> Let me know if anyone wants to carpool from Charlotte or stop through on 
>> the way there or back.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 1:46:14 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Gary! I’m definitely free then. I’ll see if I can round up a 
>>> few other Riv riders here in Kentucky!
>>>
>>> - Brian
>>>
>>> On Apr 12, 2023, at 1:08 PM, Jason D  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you Gary! This sounds like an awesome time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 12:23:31 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>
 Hi from Asheville,
 Wanted to let folks know that we've currently got 5-8 local Riv 
 riders and 3+ (thanks Laing, Brian, Jason, and maybe George for 
 letting me 
 know) that have said they'd be able to make the weekend of July 7-9 
 work 
 for them, so let's make that the official date for our Asheville meet 
 up. 
 If anyone else would like to join us please let me know! Also happy to 
 answer any questions if you're iffy or want more info.
 Cheers, 
 Gary

 On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:56:46 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Thanks for the clarification, Gary! Those potential dates work 
> better for me, personally. I have no plans for the month of July, and 
> I am 
> freed up after Sept. 10th for some bike fun. Hoping something can 
> materialize for these new dates!
>
> -Brian
>
> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:41:18 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>
>> That's correct - the May 12-14 date didn't work out so the 
>> July/Sept dates were thrown out to see if more folks would be able 
>> to join.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 10:41:19 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So, just to get this straight... did the previously proposed 
>>> weekend of May 12-14th not work well enough for everyone? I was not 
>>> going 
>>> to be free that weekend, but if it's looking like a July date might 
>>> be 
>>> better for more people, then I may just be able to make that happen.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 3:06:19 

Re: [RBW] Re: Lighter than your Platypus

[Patrick Moore]

Yes, there are times when I feel (seriously) like converting it to a single
speed. But it's my one derailleur bike and I figure I need at least one of
those.

If I stripped it of fenders, rack, lighting system, and bag I guesstimate
the weight would drop to about 25 lb, not bad for steel and aluminum, and
lighter than the typical 26-28 lb for a highish end (non-tricked) XT 26er
circa 1991, despite the huge wheels.

Patrick "not entirely serious weight weenie" Moore

On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 8:55 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:

> Patrick
> I did not realize the Matthews had so many gears and cables and things
> hanging from its industrial frame. There's your problem.
>
> Mike "green Bob Jackson World Tour likely >31.99 lbs"  SLO CA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lighter than your Platypus

[Joe Bernard]

Weight weenie you say? I'm a weight MEANIE*

*I have no idea what that means, just play along 

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 10:19:15 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Yes, there are times when I feel (seriously) like converting it to a 
> single speed. But it's my one derailleur bike and I figure I need at least 
> one of those.
>
> If I stripped it of fenders, rack, lighting system, and bag I guesstimate 
> the weight would drop to about 25 lb, not bad for steel and aluminum, and 
> lighter than the typical 26-28 lb for a highish end (non-tricked) XT 26er 
> circa 1991, despite the huge wheels.
>
> Patrick "not entirely serious weight weenie" Moore
>
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 8:55 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>
>> Patrick
>> I did not realize the Matthews had so many gears and cables and things 
>> hanging from its industrial frame. There's your problem. 
>>
>> Mike "green Bob Jackson World Tour likely >31.99 lbs"  SLO CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS Items - NIB Rims, Wheelset, Shifters, Brakes etc

[Patrick Moore]

Mike: Can you send me larger jpgs (wheel profile, rim section closeup)? Are
they tubular?

Thanks.

On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:29 PM Mike Godwin  wrote:

> Hello folks
> Some FS items flooding the airwaves. Been working on getting these
> together with photos. Attached pdf contains a compilation of each item and
> a description. Let me know if you want the source photos. The Suntour
> seatpost photos do something squirrelly converting from powerpoint to pdf.
> Cross-posted on ibob list.
>
> *Campagnolo GS Strada* crank and 45 t ring, 144 bcd, 170 arms, 9/16 pedal
> threads $50 shipped
>
> *Suntour XC* two-bolt seat post, like new except for very faint insertion
> lines dang it. 27.2 dia, 280 mm shaft 200 mm above min insert line, 22 mm
> offset c-t-c.  $50 shipped.
>
> *No-name 32 hole fix-free hub*, nice nuts. $20 shipped.
>
> *DA BS-77 bar end shifters*, 8-9 spd index and friction. Detents in 4-5
> range don't click, $40 shipped.
>
> *Suntour ratchet bar end shifters* plus a 7-spd power shifter with the
> cable end stuck in hole. Sacrificial expando plug with stripped allen head.
> Shifter pair expanders are good.  $25 shipped.
>
> *Dia Compe Royal Gran Compe* brakes, 47-57 mm reach, Yokuzuna pads,
> recessed mount, $50 shipped.
>
> *Pacenti Forza Classico *rim set NIB, 32 hole 622 dia, asymmetric rear,
> machined sidewall $220 shipped.
>
> *Campagonolo Record hub Ambrosio wheelset*, LF, 32 hole, new world logo,
> 126/100 OLN. Ambrosio rims are Extra Aero Dynamic Durex, 14 g Asahi ss
> spokes, brass nipples and nipple washers. Spin smooth and straight. $120
> shipped.
>
> *Velo Orange Gran Cru triple* 48-34-24, with VO 124.5 mm x 68 mm sealed
> bb $125 shipped. (page has 150 on it, I grabbed a pdf page and combined the
> file).
>
> Get multiple items! save on shipping!
> Mike SLO CA
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[RBW] Re: FS: Schwalbe Thunder Burt 29x2.1

[Dave Grossman]

Bump and a price drop.

$75 Shipped CONUS

On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 2:41:09 PM UTC-5 Dave Grossman wrote:

> Bought these for my Hunq but have maybe 10 miles on them.  Performance 
> Compound, not listed as tubeless ready.
>
> Asking $85 shipped for the pair CONUS
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/iLJw7GZcMSwJLbdv5
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Old vs New?

[Mackenzy Albright]

I don't have an atlantis - but for a long time rode a crust romancuer, 
which was somewhat based off the old atlantis's. I thought it was the bees 
knees for a long time, but never felt right *for me* especially while 
trying to use upright bars. It felt amazing with drops however. Due to neck 
injuries and unable to set the bike up in it's best form decided to trade 
my Romanceur for a Clementine. It is a day and night difference of ride 
with boscos and long top tube and wheelbase. 

My summarization would be: 

For drop bar setup - an older atlantis would be nice. There are a more 
similar bikes available like the older atlantis frames. AKA large tire 
clearance touring bikes. Bassi Le Montreal, Crust Romancuer, etc. 

For upright bars - the long wheelbase and top tube rivs truly shine in 
their comfort, performance, and handling. I don't think there are a lot of 
bikes out there outside of rivendell with similar wheelbase and handling 
characteristics. I get a bit annoyed with the constant rebuttal that 
"they're just over priced 80's mountain bikes" - but they took everything 
good about 80s mountain bikes and improved it. Longer wheelbases and top 
tubes. Better steering geometry. Higher head tubes. More clearance for 
larger tires. Lots of braze on options for racks and bags. etc. 

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:32:06 AM UTC-7 Ken Yokanovich wrote:

> I have a 61cm Toyo-built Atlantis. I had not ridden the bike for about 3 
> years due to some unexpected life change circumstances and then a 
> repaint/rebuild. I also have a latest-generation 57cm Appaloosa that I have 
> owned and ridden during those 3 years for recreation, errands, and 
> commuting. The current generation MIT Atlantis is very similar to 
> Appaloosa.   I recently got the Atlantis back from a repaint, and it has 
> been fun to compare the two bikes. 
>
> Atlantis
> I have ridden this bike for recreation, commuting, and have done several 
> loaded tours on it. I like it a lot, I *don't LOVE* it. At least not for 
> recreational riding. I tend to grab something else when it's time to go 
> play.  (I also own Rivendell: Custom - All Rounder, Custom - Road, Frank 
> Jones, HubbuHubbuH, Platypus) Tire widths have ranged 35-48mm. It seems to 
> handle a lot better with the wider tires, particularly when descending 
> hills on gravel. It *IS *my go to bike for loaded touring and when I 
> travel. (This is a weird combination of opposing purposes that I am 
> constantly struggling with.) I prefer the position of drop bars and 
> appreciate multiple hand options for multi-day rides and long hours in the 
> saddle. The more "aerodynamic" position is something MUCH appreciated for 
> those eventual day-long headwinds. The bike does have toe overlap with the 
> fenders, but this has never been a big deal for me. For the most part, I 
> would have a hard time telling you which of my bikes did/didn't.
> [image: Atlantis Full.png]
>
> Appaloosa
> I bought the Appaloosa as the keep-handy grab-n-go bike. My confidence in 
> upright handlebars was bolstered by the experience of riding and touring on 
> the HubbuHubbuH. I like the Bosco bars way more than I expected I ever 
> would.  I keep the Appaloosa parked in front of the car making it an easy 
> choice for errands and commuting. Unexpectedly, I have found myself riding 
> the Appaloosa for recreation too.  The bike rides much "lighter" and 
> "faster" than I expected it would.  If I hadn't just got the Atlantis ready 
> for summer touring, I would like to try taking the Appaloosa on a 
> fully-loaded tour. I think the more casual ride mood that it inspires might 
> encourage me to cut back on ambitious daily mileage goals when touring.
> [image: Appaloosa.png]
>
> Summary 
> Both bikes provide a lot of enjoyment. If forced to choose between the 
> Atlantis or Appaloosa, I would select the Appaloosa. 
> What's next or what would I do differently?  I have thought about buying 
> another Appaloosa from the next batch and building it up for loaded touring 
> so I could reconfigure the Atlantis for easier travel.
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[RBW] Re: PSA: Bike Snob blog becoming all-Rivendell blog

[Mackenzy Albright]

To be fair - after acquiring a real deal Rivendell, I've since become 
considerably less interested in other bikes (gasp) as it's the only bike I 
want to spend time on. I can understand where he is coming from... 

On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 7:12:34 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Yesterday's and today's posts are all about his Homer and he said: *And 
> yes, this is an all-Rivendell blog now,* and devoted most of both to 
> shopping and commuting (including locking up the Homer downtown for a long 
> time).
>
> In case you find his humor appealing. Riv content: Grant likes him and 
> advertises on the blogsite.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Show Me Your Atlantis!

[jamin orrall]

Thanks again Jim, I have been enjoying it so much!

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 1:53:52 PM UTC-7 Jim S. wrote:

> Jamin, i love the build! Glad it found a good home!
>
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2023, 15:17 jamin orrall  wrote:
>
>> Loving these new additions! here is mine! Waterford built.[image: 
>> 05810023 Large.jpeg][image: 05810020 Large.jpeg][image: 
>> 05810022 Large.jpeg]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 9:20:22 AM UTC-7 Jim Whorton wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Enjoying this thread.  Here is my new Atlantis on its first ride, March 
>>> 30.  It is from the most recent batch of Atlantis frames.  I collected 
>>> parts slowly, built it up in super slow motion, and it felt great on that 
>>> first ride.  Expecting a set of dyno lights from Peter White any day now.  
>>> A couple old parts found their way on: a new old stock Deore XT M750 rear 
>>> hub and a Suntour thumb shifter.  
>>>
>>> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9544(1).jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_0012(1).jpg]
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rosco Bubbe 50cm Purple FFHS

[Paul Choi]

SOLD

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:15:10 AM UTC-7 Paul Choi wrote:

> I purchased this frame and fork from Rivendell last year. I just replaced 
> it with another Rivendell. Excellent condition. No trades. Let me know if 
> you have any questions. You can pick it up if you are local. I'm in Santa 
> Clara. 
> [image: Rosco Bubbe.jpg]
> $800 plus shipping.
>
>
> Paul
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[RBW] Brooks B17 repair

[dougP]

After years of good service, my Brooks B17 blew out the leather at the 
nose. Is there a North American source for repair? Any idea what this costs?

Doug Peterson

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[RBW] Re: Heck, even my Monocog is lighter than your Platypus. [Monocog with Specialized Hover bar]

[Patrick Moore]

OTOH: this is puzzling: I see so many Rivendells on this list with very,
very high bars, but with 52 tooth granny cogs; IOW gearing designed for
low-torque fast-cadence twiddling. I don't get it. When I spin I move
forward and down; when I torque I shove back and sit up. What gives?
Someone explain.

On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 6:18 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> ... And one more interesting thing: A more forward and lower position
> makes you re-think your saddle position. With the M/A I had the saddle --
> first edition Flite -- slammed all the way back on the rails and seapost
> raised for full leg extension; I wanted to sit back and push forward.
> Leaning and reaching more forward, I wanted to move the saddle forward and
> down; which I did, ~7 mm forward and ~10 mm down. This felt better
> particularly in the hooks, which with the slightly lower and closer saddle
> are now much more comfortable. But the further-forward hoods position also
> make standing and grunting, as through sand, feel more natural compared to
> the closer and higher M/A. So perhaps I don't need a shorter or a higher
> stem after all.
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Bike Snob blog becoming all-Rivendell blog

[Patrick Moore]

But has your level of irony also increased proportionally to your
acquisition of Rivendells? *That* is the crucial question.

On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 2:44 PM Mackenzy Albright <
mackenzy.albri...@gmail.com> wrote:

> To be fair - after acquiring a real deal Rivendell, I've since become
> considerably less interested in other bikes (gasp) as it's the only bike I
> want to spend time on. I can understand where he is coming from...
>
> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 7:12:34 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Yesterday's and today's posts are all about his Homer and he said: *And
>> yes, this is an all-Rivendell blog now,* and devoted most of both to
>> shopping and commuting (including locking up the Homer downtown for a long
>> time).
>>
>> In case you find his humor appealing. Riv content: Grant likes him and
>> advertises on the blogsite.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Heck, even my Monocog is lighter than your Platypus. [Monocog with Specialized Hover bar]

[Joe Bernard]

I sit upright because I like it and I use really low gears because the 
hills are steep.  

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 6:08:22 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> OTOH: this is puzzling: I see so many Rivendells on this list with very, 
> very high bars, but with 52 tooth granny cogs; IOW gearing designed for 
> low-torque fast-cadence twiddling. I don't get it. When I spin I move 
> forward and down; when I torque I shove back and sit up. What gives? 
> Someone explain.
>
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 6:18 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> ... And one more interesting thing: A more forward and lower position 
>> makes you re-think your saddle position. With the M/A I had the saddle -- 
>> first edition Flite -- slammed all the way back on the rails and seapost 
>> raised for full leg extension; I wanted to sit back and push forward. 
>> Leaning and reaching more forward, I wanted to move the saddle forward and 
>> down; which I did, ~7 mm forward and ~10 mm down. This felt better 
>> particularly in the hooks, which with the slightly lower and closer saddle 
>> are now much more comfortable. But the further-forward hoods position also 
>> make standing and grunting, as through sand, feel more natural compared to 
>> the closer and higher M/A. So perhaps I don't need a shorter or a higher 
>> stem after all.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Heck, even my Monocog is lighter than your Platypus. [Monocog with Specialized Hover bar]

[Brian Turner]

That logic would only make sense if most of your riding exists in either of those two extremes.On Apr 27, 2023, at 9:15 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:I sit upright because I like it and I use really low gears because the hills are steep.  On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 6:08:22 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:OTOH: this is puzzling: I see so many Rivendells on this list with very, very high bars, but with 52 tooth granny cogs; IOW gearing designed for low-torque fast-cadence twiddling. I don't get it. When I spin I move forward and down; when I torque I shove back and sit up. What gives? Someone explain.On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 6:18 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:... And one more interesting thing: A more forward and lower position makes you re-think your saddle position. With the M/A I had the saddle -- first edition Flite -- slammed all the way back on the rails and seapost raised for full leg extension; I wanted to sit back and push forward. Leaning and reaching more forward, I wanted to move the saddle forward and down; which I did, ~7 mm forward and ~10 mm down. This felt better particularly in the hooks, which with the slightly lower and closer saddle are now much more comfortable. But the further-forward hoods position also make standing and grunting, as through sand, feel more natural compared to the closer and higher M/A. So perhaps I don't need a shorter or a higher stem after all.




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[RBW] Re: Brooks B17 repair

[richdpow...@gmail.com]

Simon Firth is a super nice guy with a lot of brooks and frame building 
experience. That is where I’d send it. He was a Bilenky builder for a 
number of years. I believe he is also from London, so you know, he has that 
in his corner! 

https://www.transportcycle.com/articles/brooks-saddle-repair-pg206.htm

If anyone on the list visits Philly stop by his shop. There are also a lot 
of great coffee and food options. Have a Cheesesteak or a hoagie. Swing by 
the La Colombe mother ship where it all started. 

Apparently, I have long-term saddle commitment issues. I’ve never worn a 
Brooks out. :-)

-Rich
DSM



On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:20:48 PM UTC-5 dougP wrote:

> After years of good service, my Brooks B17 blew out the leather at the 
> nose. Is there a North American source for repair? Any idea what this costs?
>
> Doug Peterson
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Re: [RBW] Re: Heck, even my Monocog is lighter than your Platypus. [Monocog with Specialized Hover bar]

[Patrick Moore]

I'm sorry, what logic are we talking about?

I shove back and sit up for low-cadence, high-torque pedaling, and I move
forward and down when I want to spin fast. My riding includes both extremes
but it also includes the entire middle ground. So again, I don't understand
"logic."

Patrick Moore, who has a doctorate in Aristotelian philosophy.


On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 7:36 PM Brian Turner  wrote:

> That logic would only make sense if most of your riding exists in either
> of those two extremes.
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[RBW] Re: Sharing your winter ride photos northern hemisphere Spring 2023

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Erl, that Hunq looks like it means business! Very nice. Beautiful photos 
too.
I've watched you try a number of Rivendells over time, but this one looks 
like a keeper.

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:44:48 AM UTC-4 WETH wrote:

> In celebration of National Parks week here in the United States, I rode my 
> Hunq along the C&O Canal on Monday.  
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 2:42:18 PM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Spring is slow to arrive in southwestern Wisconsin this year, and miles 
>> have been earned. Cold winds and snow squalls alternating with sun seem to 
>> be the norm, even more so than usual. The woods is starting to green and 
>> the bloodroot blooming, so warmer days are coming!
>> Randy
>> "Spring hopes eternal"
>> [image: Appaloosa 042523RBF.jpg]
>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 11:07:22 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My brother-in-law has been visiting his elderly father for three weeks 
>>> and needed to stretch his legs. We did a 42-miles mixed surface country 
>>> ride rambling around on our Homers through upper Cumberland county, Va. on 
>>> a bright, cool, beautiful day. Life is good on a bike!
>>> *https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72177720307788075 
>>> *
>>> Paul Germain
>>> Midlothian, Virginia, where all the place names have English or Native 
>>> American origins.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Sharing your winter ride photos northern hemisphere Spring 2023

[John Rinker]

Very groovy looking Hunq, Weth! How big are those tires? Bikie's right. 
They mean business!

Cheers, John

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:26:26 PM UTC-7 Bikie#4646 wrote:

> Erl, that Hunq looks like it means business! Very nice. Beautiful photos 
> too.
> I've watched you try a number of Rivendells over time, but this one looks 
> like a keeper.
>
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:44:48 AM UTC-4 WETH wrote:
>
>> In celebration of National Parks week here in the United States, I rode 
>> my Hunq along the C&O Canal on Monday.  
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 2:42:18 PM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Spring is slow to arrive in southwestern Wisconsin this year, and miles 
>>> have been earned. Cold winds and snow squalls alternating with sun seem to 
>>> be the norm, even more so than usual. The woods is starting to green and 
>>> the bloodroot blooming, so warmer days are coming!
>>> Randy
>>> "Spring hopes eternal"
>>> [image: Appaloosa 042523RBF.jpg]
>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 11:07:22 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>>>


 My brother-in-law has been visiting his elderly father for three weeks 
 and needed to stretch his legs. We did a 42-miles mixed surface country 
 ride rambling around on our Homers through upper Cumberland county, Va. on 
 a bright, cool, beautiful day. Life is good on a bike!
 *https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72177720307788075 
 *
 Paul Germain
 Midlothian, Virginia, where all the place names have English or Native 
 American origins.



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[RBW] Re: Heck, even my Monocog is lighter than your Platypus. [Monocog with Specialized Hover bar]

[Philip Williamson]

52 tooth granny cog? 

Philip 
SR, CA

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 6:08:22 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> OTOH: this is puzzling: I see so many Rivendells on this list with very, 
> very high bars, but with 52 tooth granny cogs; IOW gearing designed for 
> low-torque fast-cadence twiddling. I don't get it. When I spin I move 
> forward and down; when I torque I shove back and sit up. What gives? 
> Someone explain.
>
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 6:18 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> ... And one more interesting thing: A more forward and lower position 
>> makes you re-think your saddle position. With the M/A I had the saddle -- 
>> first edition Flite -- slammed all the way back on the rails and seapost 
>> raised for full leg extension; I wanted to sit back and push forward. 
>> Leaning and reaching more forward, I wanted to move the saddle forward and 
>> down; which I did, ~7 mm forward and ~10 mm down. This felt better 
>> particularly in the hooks, which with the slightly lower and closer saddle 
>> are now much more comfortable. But the further-forward hoods position also 
>> make standing and grunting, as through sand, feel more natural compared to 
>> the closer and higher M/A. So perhaps I don't need a shorter or a higher 
>> stem after all.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv Garage Sale hauls

[Philip Williamson]

I wrote up a longer version of my crew’s garage sale visit for a cycling 
podcast/site.
You may recognize some people and bikes.
https://cyclingindependent.com/the-rivendell-garage-sale/

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif


On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 8:30:19 PM UTC-7 Philip Williamson wrote:

> [image: 4F4B1093-78C4-48E4-9130-60A970393F69.jpeg]
>
> I had a nice haul, talked to great people, enjoyed a walk downtown and a 
> long drive with my friends, and saw a ton of good bikes in the visitor 
> pile. 
>
> I brought some friends from up in Santa Rosa. We parked and walked up the 
> driveway just as the gates swung open. I headed to the far end to work my 
> way back, and got a quill faceplater stem and a carved C17 saddle right off 
> the bat. No pressing need, but I had decided to stock up on my classic 
> build parts. As soon as I posted this photo on Instagram/Facebook I sold 
> both those items on to friends. 
>
> I also scored 9 and 8 speed cassettes, a high rise threadless stem, a free 
> coin purse, maybe a pump(?}, and a $3 bag of bolts and spacers (very 
> exciting). A pair of $5 bells inspired me to put bells on all my bikes last 
> weekend. The Sogreni went on the Quickbeam stem, even though that’s not my 
> fanciest bike. 
>
> The Suntour shirt is a 100 Tacos bootleg, and we traded some stickers as 
> well.
>
> Philip
> Sonoma County, Calif
>
> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 2:52:54 PM UTC-7 sin...@msn.com wrote:
>
>> I got there just before Riv open the sale. I chatted with people, some of 
>> whom I haven't seen before COVID! So many neat bikes 
>>  that people rode to the sale. 
>> Here is my haul. People post what you got today!
>>
>> Franklyn
>>
>

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