Re: [RBW] Hillibikers - do you stand and pedal?

[Richard Rose]

I suspect that stem length is a key component here. My Clem has a 135 stem, my Gus a 100. Both have Bosco’s & the Gus is longer so reach is virtually the same on both. Standing climbing is very natural on both. The bar tips on my bikes I suspect are farther away than others? When making a sharp turn they barely brush my knees.Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 15, 2023, at 7:13 PM, Mackenzy Albright  wrote:I've recently been riding my more traditional geometry fixed gear quite a bit for "urban commuting". Out of necessity I've been standing and "mashing" more on inclines. I recall most of my "traditional diamond frame bikes" I would stand and pedal a fair amount. Every time I switch back to my Clementine with Boscos I find standing pedaling to be quite un-natural feeling with my hands more or less by my thighs. It works for a short burst to speed up my cadence but doesn't seem like an option for sustainable climbing. It's got me thinking with the laid back seat tubes, swept back bars, what is peoples instinctive climbing methods on "hillibikes" (not traditional geo rivs)Seated spinning? Or have you found a method of standing and pedaling that works well. 



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[RBW] Re: Hillibikers - do you stand and pedal?

[Garth]

I understand that the position is comfortable for most riding Mackenzie. 
Short of changing the bars and stem to place your hands at and forward of 
the steering axis, you'll experience what you do. There isn't a better way 
to push a wheelbarrow uphill, you know ? It's design thing, I get that, so 
to each their own. 

Looking at Toms bike, you see where his hands and thus body weight are in 
relation to the steering axis ? The Granola bars are like a wider Albatross 
in shape and either side up lends itself to body/hands forward steering 
with a long-er stem which to me is very intuitive and easy. When you're 
standing the bar ends are nowhere near your knees. 

No implication that you need or even could change anything, just pointing 
out differing ways of going about body and steering positioning. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: DT Swiss R460/Campy Chorus/Shimano Freehub/700C

[Dave Grossman]

SOLD

On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 11:17:57 AM UTC-5 Dave Grossman wrote:

> SOLD PENDING FUNDS
>
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 8:26:59 AM UTC-5 Dave Grossman wrote:
>
>> Now $225 Net plus Shipping
>>
>> On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 9:15:37 AM UTC-5 Dave Grossman wrote:
>>
>>> DT R460 rims laced to silver Campy Chorus Hubs
>>>
>>> 32/32
>>>
>>> 100/130
>>>
>>> Shimano Freehub
>>>
>>> $250 net to me + Shipping or local in Chicago.
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/ryiTchuR7jcjb2UW9
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Has anybody 650'ed a Riv Road?

[J S]

If I still had one of the 3 RR’s I had I would have done a conversion by 
now. Sold my last custom which was a 56cm, not sure how Grant put me on 
that one but it worked fine with 700’s. I believe 650b would have been 
better. 

On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 1:51:02 AM UTC-4 Peter Bridge wrote:

> On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 1:29:48 PM UTC-7 Matt Beecher wrote:
>
> Out of curiosity, did you get the pink one off craigslist?  If so, please 
> don't paint it.  Be brave enough to ride pink. 
>
>
> Who, me? I carefully delayed until it vanished. I was tempted to chase 
> it.  I'm already pretty heavily invested, emotion and energy rather than 
> funds, in a bike that checks a lot of boxes for me, including clearing 38 
> tires. Would have taken no bravery for me to ride a pink bike. A screaming 
> pink Eisentraut was my main ride for 25 years. Pink bikes might be the only 
> bikes that are cooler than orange bikes.
>
> Thanks, everybody for the responses.
>
> ~pb
>

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[RBW] Re: Hillibikers - do you stand and pedal?

[Brian Turner]

I'm one of those riders that has never really felt comfortable standing and 
climbing no matter what type of bike or setup. Perhaps my form is just bad, 
or whatever... but I've always preferred to just gear down as low as 
needed, lean forward and churn away while seated. I'll stand occasionally 
for very short bursts, but I cannot climb for very long like that. That 
said, I can see how upright bars would make it difficult. My Gus has 
Toscos, and to me they are wide enough and flared enough to feel ok while 
standing, but I would prefer to remain seated upright. The Bosco bars put 
your wrists at a more inward angle than the Toscos do, and closer to your 
body, so I guess that's why they aren't as conducive for standing climbs.

On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 9:45:59 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> I understand that the position is comfortable for most riding Mackenzie. 
> Short of changing the bars and stem to place your hands at and forward of 
> the steering axis, you'll experience what you do. There isn't a better way 
> to push a wheelbarrow uphill, you know ? It's design thing, I get that, so 
> to each their own. 
>
> Looking at Toms bike, you see where his hands and thus body weight are in 
> relation to the steering axis ? The Granola bars are like a wider Albatross 
> in shape and either side up lends itself to body/hands forward steering 
> with a long-er stem which to me is very intuitive and easy. When you're 
> standing the bar ends are nowhere near your knees. 
>
> No implication that you need or even could change anything, just pointing 
> out differing ways of going about body and steering positioning. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

[Brian Turner]

Dang! Just my luck... I'll be in Florida the last week of May / first week 
of June. Still, I look forward to this happening so I can read the ride 
report and hopefully see some good photos!

-Brian

On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 5:45:38 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:

> Yes, Steve - all the options I selected were the weekends of May and the 
> first weekend of June.
>
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 5:09:19 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you Gary for setting this up!Are you thinking weekends, or...?
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 2:59:12 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Everyone, at the risk of being presumptuous I went ahead and created 
>>> this Doodle scheduling poll to see what (if any) weekend dates in May/June 
>>> would work best for a Riv group meetup in Asheville.  Just click on the 
>>> link and it will guide you to a calendar that will allow you to select the 
>>> dates you are (and are not) available for a weekend meetup. After about a 
>>> week, I can post the results and we can either take the planning further 
>>> from there or else pick different dates and try again.  Here is the link to 
>>> the poll:  https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/eXQgKnka
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 11:00:51 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Gary, I second your suggestion.   I lived in North Asheville on Melrose 
 St for a number of years - I'm currently on the south side. Those roads 
 above the Grove Park Inn and on to Town Mountain and then the BRPW were my 
 go to routes (that was back when Michael Davis owned ProBikes). I haven't 
 ridden up that way for over a decade. Good to hear it's still decent 
 riding. 

 On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 6:23 PM 'Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch <
 rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Steve - Yes, Bent Creek and the River Arts sounds good. We could also 
> add another ride the following day on quiet roads (they do exist!) just 
> north of downtown, up Sunset to Town Mt, around Montford, etc. that could 
> follow the Asheville bike routes.
>
> On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 4:47:59 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Gary, May would be a good choice. September is  generally a bit 
>> quieter as well. I'm guessing most would prefer a weekend???   
>>
>> I'm thinking a 3-4 hour ride at Bent Creek early in the day and then 
>> possibly an afternoon to early evening ride on the River Arts District 
>> greenway concluding with a stop for food & beverage. 
>>
>> Anyone want to weigh in?
>>
>> On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 12:28:31 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>
>>> Steve, I agree that July 4 wknd would not be the best time for a 
>>> gathering as Asheville gets mobbed then. But if we can find a suitable 
>>> date 
>>> I’d be happy to help with some organizing of the gathering. Seems like 
>>> the 
>>> biggest hurdle is getting a date nailed down. Any summer date would 
>>> probably work for me, but I’d suggest late May/early June if we wanted 
>>> to 
>>> avoid July 4. Not quite as many tourists here then.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 5:38:05 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Giving this thread a bump -  Hate to see it get lost.  Trigger 
 Warning: Long Post.

 I've been living and riding in Asheville for 30 some years now, and 
 would be happy to offer some route ideas - but first a caveat. The 
 Asheville metro area has seen phenomenal growth over the past decade 
 (from 
 282,000 to 371,000 residents). We're also seeing about 11 million 
 annual 
 visitors. 

 The result of the rapid growth  transpo infrastructure has been 
 overwhelmed. Paved routes around town and the surrounding county that 
 were 
 old favorites have mostly become Thunderdome rides. --   
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JKZKjFjHDM ---   

 If you're still reading this - in addition to the decline in road 
 riding pleasantness,  the best close to town off pavement riding (Bent 
 Creek) has become a "regional destination". Trailhead parking can 
 be a challenge, especially on weekends. Having said that, BC and the 
 Pisgah 
 National Forest are still great riding. If you want you can climb up 
 to 
 Bent Tree Gap  and descend on the BRPW through two tunnels  (bring 
 your lights).  Ample (& secure) parking is available at the NC 
 Arboretum 
 for $20 per vehicle. I have an annual membership and could transport 
 up to 
 4 bikes and three passengers. 

 As already mentioned, the new urban greenway in the River Arts 
 District is pleasant, albeit short, with multiple interesting places 
 to 
 s

Re: [RBW] Re: Hillibikers - do you stand and pedal?

[Patrick Moore]

This is interesting not only in a practical way but in a speculative way:
to see how different people like to climb and to see the bike designs and
builds that encourage their preferred climbing methods.

I've wondered about this when looking at the high, swept-back bars on so
many Rivendell builds: it looks as if the resulting position more or less
forces you to sit rather than stand, and therefore twiddle rather than mash
-- and I've long noted the huge inner cogs on so many Rivendell builds. I
recall the awkwardness of standing to climb when riding Indian roadsters;
the geometry put the ends of the bars close to your knees, and since I
often stood to climb -- single ~70" gear -- I always felt as if I were
about to fall over the front wheel.

Of course, you'd not feel quite the same on Rivendells with the long top
tubes and very long reachback bars, but all the same neither present the
best position for agressive standing.

Me, I feel just the opposite of Brian: if I gear down and spin I quickly
run out of breath, and I much prefer to slide back in the saddle, lean
forward, and push the crank over TDC at slow rpm in a relatively high gear
on gradual climbs, and to stand and mash when I need more power -- I often
gear *up* a cog or so when I transition to a standing position. I suppose
the difference is a matter both of individual physiology and habit, but
I've been mashing and standing on climbs since I was a boy riding hills at
5K+ feet on my first "entirely by me" bike build age 15 that, because of my
complete ignorance, had a single ~90" gear.



On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 9:08 AM Brian Turner  wrote:

> I'm one of those riders that has never really felt comfortable standing
> and climbing no matter what type of bike or setup. Perhaps my form is just
> bad, or whatever... but I've always preferred to just gear down as low as
> needed, lean forward and churn away while seated. I'll stand occasionally
> for very short bursts, but I cannot climb for very long like that. That
> said, I can see how upright bars would make it difficult. My Gus has
> Toscos, and to me they are wide enough and flared enough to feel ok while
> standing, but I would prefer to remain seated upright. The Bosco bars put
> your wrists at a more inward angle than the Toscos do, and closer to your
> body, so I guess that's why they aren't as conducive for standing climbs.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hillibikers - do you stand and pedal?

[lconley]

I have not felt comfortable standing on the pedals in many years. I sit and 
spin regardless of the type of bike. On a single speed, I will dismount and 
walk when the slope is too steep - not often the case in Florida.

I seem to remember a top cyclist from years ago advocating for sitting and 
spinning, but I cannot remember who it was.

Laing

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[RBW] Re: Has anybody 650'ed a Riv Road?

[Matt Beecher]

Purple trumps pink.

On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 12:51:02 AM UTC-5 Peter Bridge wrote:

> On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 1:29:48 PM UTC-7 Matt Beecher wrote:
>
> Out of curiosity, did you get the pink one off craigslist?  If so, please 
> don't paint it.  Be brave enough to ride pink. 
>
>
> Who, me? I carefully delayed until it vanished. I was tempted to chase 
> it.  I'm already pretty heavily invested, emotion and energy rather than 
> funds, in a bike that checks a lot of boxes for me, including clearing 38 
> tires. Would have taken no bravery for me to ride a pink bike. A screaming 
> pink Eisentraut was my main ride for 25 years. Pink bikes might be the only 
> bikes that are cooler than orange bikes.
>
> Thanks, everybody for the responses.
>
> ~pb
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hillibikers - do you stand and pedal?

[Eric Marth]

Hi Mackenzy — I find it uncomfortable to pedal out of the saddle for more 
than a few strokes with my hands in the primary grip position on swept back 
bars. With a grip in the 'hooks' of the bars on Albatross, Billie or Ron's 
Ortho bars it's no problem for me. I've installed Boscos on a bike I built 
up for a friend and found that the secondary or hooks position ahead of the 
levers was not very good for climbing or spirited riding. 

I would think given the height of your bars, the tilt of your bars making 
the grip almost parallel with the ground and the general shape of Boscos 
that climbing out of the saddle would be uncomfortable and a little 
unnatural. 

I see you have your stem pretty low, do you wish for lower bars? If so you 
might consider the Losco or the Billie, they're both plenty wide with lots 
of sweep back but much less rise. 
On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 3:08:56 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> Hey Damon - It's a Nitto UI-12 quill stem. This is a welded cromo, -19 
> deg, 31.8 clamp, removeable faceplate stem. Not quite as nice and 
> definitely not as tall as the brazed Nitto faceplate stems (CR60-3F) that 
> Riv stocks, but my fit didn't need the extra height and I liked the look 
> and reach of a horizontal stem extension.
>
> I've attached a closeup photo of the stem and bars (taken during the 
> build, before the shifters were cabled). Note the stem height is just about 
> max'd where I have it and many will want something with more rise.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 12:21:48 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> I have not felt comfortable standing on the pedals in many years. I sit 
>> and spin regardless of the type of bike. On a single speed, I will dismount 
>> and walk when the slope is too steep - not often the case in Florida.
>>
>> I seem to remember a top cyclist from years ago advocating for sitting 
>> and spinning, but I cannot remember who it was.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[Eliot Balogh]

NOS Saluki on Eugene OR Craiglist. Looks beautiful.

$2500

https://eugene.craigslist.org/bik/d/eugene-nos-58cm-rivendell-saluki-650b/7600024758.html

On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 2:41 AM Russell Duncan  wrote:

> Not that it’s too difficult to scroll to the bottom of the for sale
> posting list, how about the next person to post here does so under a new
> heading such as:Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Late Winter
> edition, 2023, or whatever is to your liking
>
> Russell Duncan
> Connecticut River Valley, MA USA
> On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 1:34:56 AM UTC-5 Nick in Sac wrote:
>
>> For sale is my former Roadini. Bought it and it turned out to be too big
>> for me, looks like it is being sold by the guy who purchased it from me.
>>
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/584646726892255/?ref=browse_tab&referral_code=marketplace_top_picks&referral_story_type=top_picks
>>
>> On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:54:52 AM UTC-7 mitchel...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Clem Smith JR
>>> 52cm
>>> 1,200
>>> SF,CA
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7592901709.html
>>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: 331260312_5892573310828901_6836777437665179310_n.jpg]

 Sam Hillborne F/F/HS
 62cm
 $1,200
 Vienna, VA


 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/953093402735635/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post

 On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 7:40:26 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> [image: s-l1600.jpg]
>
> Paging brendonoid!
>
> Rivendell custom cyclocross
> 58cm
> $2,800 USD / $4,000 AUD (plus shipping)
> Melbourne, Australia
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/334623181381
>
> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 12:15:57 PM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
>> The Platypus above is sold. It is in my garage now.
>> Tom
>>
>> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 2:12:57 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> 62cm double-tube Appaloosa in SF Bay. This is either underpriced or
>>> the Riv market is finally having a reality check.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7586412968.html
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 6:30:07 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Rivendell Touring
 No size listed
 $3,000
 Lexington, KY


 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/399785835688755/?hoisted=false&ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post

 [image: 307812527_5541503645919163_3580851272735801391_n.jpg]

 Platypus
 60cm
 $3,000
 Grand Rapids, MI


 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1302632586938953/?hoisted=false&ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post

 [image: 302796712_4687769534658839_715238091324189516_n.jpg]

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[RBW] Re: Riv Riders Interactive Map is Live!

[John Rinker]

The map is growing nicely! Got riders in Oceania and Europe on the map! 
Still awaiting the first rider in Sri Lanka to pop up.

If you've added yourself, to the map please note that you can edit your 
responses in case you...I don't know...get a new bike? Change your riding 
style? Misspelled your name? Move from Arizona to Babylonia? 

To do this, simply click on the 'Riv Rider Registration' and you can choose 
to 'Edit your response.' 

Cheers, John

On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 12:59:58 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:

> The Map of Riv Riders is ready!* Thanks to Dave's example of the 'Unicycle 
> Community Map' I've put together a similar interactive map that Riv Riders 
> can now populate with your location. 
>
> As mentioned, the purpose of this map is to help Riv riders find each 
> other, connect and plan rides.
>
> Here's a link to the site:
>
> Map of Rivendell Riders 
> 
>
> There is a Google form registration that, once completed and manually 
> updated by me, will put a pin of your location on the map. 
>
> You can 'drop' this pin in a couple of ways:
>
> 1. Provide your address
>
> 2. Provide a random address in your city or town
>
> 3. Provide map coordinates (latitude, longitude)
>
> Check it out and if it seems interesting to you then register and wait for 
> your pin to show up. 
>
> Cheers, John
>
> *I'll call it a beta version because I just learned how to connect Google 
> forms, maps, and sites together. Seems to work well though.
>

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[RBW] FS: Heron Rando-55cm

[mikel66...@juno.com]

https://providence.craigslist.org/bik/d/north-smithfield-heron-rivendell/7589671114.html

Here is a link to my friends Heron for sale

mike goldman
rhode island

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[RBW] SON Hub & B+M Micro Taillight: must be wired to the front light?

[Matthew Williams]

Hi everyone,

I have a SON dynamo front hub, with an Edelux II headlight. I was planning to 
get the  Busch + Muller “Micro” (µ) taillight:

https://www.bumm.de/de/produkte/dynamo-rucklichter/parent/332/produkt/332alk-silber-332alk-01-schwarz.html

Elsewhere, I read this particular taillight 
"The µ is designed to be powered from the front light only"
"This light must be wired to a front light, and should not be run directly off 
a dynamo hub”

I have several questions:

Is this setup inadvisable/poorly-considered?
Will the taillight sap power from the headlight?
Is the B+M Micro compatible with the Edelux II and SON hub?
Has anyone done this setup (SON hub, Edelux II, B+M Micro)? 
Does this setup require special customization?
What should I know before getting this taillight and setting it up?

As always, your sage advice, experience, wisdom, and recommendations are 
welcomed and appreciated.

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Re: [RBW] SON Hub & B+M Micro Taillight: must be wired to the front light?

[Brian Turner]

You should be good… Pretty sure that’s how most rear dynamo lights work… wired into the front light. Just read up on what connectors you’ll need if you plan on doing the wiring / soldering yourself.On Mar 16, 2023, at 10:55 PM, Matthew Williams  wrote:Hi everyone,I have a SON dynamo front hub, with an Edelux II headlight. I was planning to get the  Busch + Muller “Micro” (µ) taillight:https://www.bumm.de/de/produkte/dynamo-rucklichter/parent/332/produkt/332alk-silber-332alk-01-schwarz.htmlElsewhere, I read this particular taillight "The µ is designed to be powered from the front light only""This light must be wired to a front light, and should not be run directly off a dynamo hub”I have several questions:Is this setup inadvisable/poorly-considered?Will the taillight sap power from the headlight?Is the B+M Micro compatible with the Edelux II and SON hub?Has anyone done this setup (SON hub, Edelux II, B+M Micro)? Does this setup require special customization?What should I know before getting this taillight and setting it up?As always, your sage advice, experience, wisdom, and recommendations are welcomed and appreciated.



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