[RBW] Re: FS: 1985 Ritchey Ascent (XXL/23”) – $1300

[Julian Westerhout]

Luke, 

You forgot to list your asking price. 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 7:02:10 PM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> I’m moving along my vintage Ritchey mountain bike as I’m just not riding 
> it all that much (my Riv’s just too much fun!).
>
> Made by Toyo for Ritchey, almost all of this is first gen Shimano XT (Deer 
> Head) along with some super rare high flange black XT hubs. The rear 
> brake’s a Suntour roller cam u-brake. The current tires (not pictured here) 
> are NOS Tioga Psycho II tires from the early 90s and shred super hard. 
> Superlative handling that’s very zippy and fun. Full hand brake levers from 
> Suntour, a worn in Brooks B17 saddle, nifty olive paint job, 45-36-24 
> chainrings, and a cute lil’ Velo Orange bell top it all off. Feel free to 
> ask any questions. I’m open to *reasonable* offers and also wish to sell 
> this locally (greater Bay Area).
>
> See here for some backstory: 
> https://theradavist.com/ritchey-ascent-review/
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: 1985 Ritchey Ascent (XXL/23”) – $1300

[Eric Daume]

It’s in the title, $1300.

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022, Julian Westerhout 
wrote:

> Luke,
>
> You forgot to list your asking price.
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL
>
> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 7:02:10 PM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> I’m moving along my vintage Ritchey mountain bike as I’m just not riding
>> it all that much (my Riv’s just too much fun!).
>>
>> Made by Toyo for Ritchey, almost all of this is first gen Shimano XT
>> (Deer Head) along with some super rare high flange black XT hubs. The rear
>> brake’s a Suntour roller cam u-brake. The current tires (not pictured here)
>> are NOS Tioga Psycho II tires from the early 90s and shred super hard.
>> Superlative handling that’s very zippy and fun. Full hand brake levers from
>> Suntour, a worn in Brooks B17 saddle, nifty olive paint job, 45-36-24
>> chainrings, and a cute lil’ Velo Orange bell top it all off. Feel free to
>> ask any questions. I’m open to *reasonable* offers and also wish to sell
>> this locally (greater Bay Area).
>>
>> See here for some backstory: https://theradavist.com/
>> ritchey-ascent-review/
>>
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[RBW] Re: Platypus and Mini-Motos?

[lconley]

Note that rim width changes the width of the tire not the height of the 
tire. 
The height of the tire is usually the problem, not the width.
Proper adjustment of the brakes will impact the available clearance. There 
more vertical that you adjust the arms on a V-brake like the Motolite - the 
more clearance that you will have on the cross cable. You do this by moving 
the spacers on the brake shoe attachments between the shoe and the brake 
arm around. If the arms are splayed out like on a previous post, put the 
thinner washers or no washer between the brake arm and brake shoe, the 
leftover washers go between the brake arm and the attaching nut.

Laing

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 9:53:18 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Here is a photo of the clearance when I had the Cavas on. A few things to 
> consider.
>
>
>1. The height on these is 85mm and as pointed out above the minimotos 
>are 81
>2. I have pacenti rims vs your cliffhangers so I am likely not getting 
>near full width (48mm)
>3. The Cava's say "around 48" but they probably measure less even on a 
>rim like the cliffhangers.
>
> So based on that I would account for there being around 8mm less clearance 
> in your setup. I would not have gone any larger in my setup and in fact I 
> dropped to 42's to get more clearance. I agree with Joe. Its a safer bet to 
> go with the motolites.
>
> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 9:14:57 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> You're probably not going to find someone with MiniMotos on a Platy so I 
>> did a bit of sleuthing. I have Motolites on my Riv custom with 47mm tires, 
>> the straddle wire height is 103mm, here's the clearance I show. MiniMotos 
>> have an 81mm straddle height, I think that 22mm difference is going to bite 
>> you and that's not including that one of the arms bends over even lower. 
>>
>> I'd recommend the Motolites for her bike, they're super extremely 
>> amazing. 
>>
>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 3:38:40 PM UTC-8 stoker wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all - 
>>> I received my wife’s 50cm Platypus last week. I am setting it up with 
>>> Cliffhangers and 650b x 48 tires (Switchback Hills). I am wondering if 
>>> Mini-Motos would have sufficient clearance at the straddle wire. Has any 
>>> body tried this combination (or something similar?)
>>>
>>> Thanks all - Bob
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 57cm lugged Roadini Protovelo

[amillhench]

Sold. Thanks Riv riders!

Best,

Aaron in El Paso 

On Nov 7, 2022, at 15:28, amillhe...@gmail.com wrote:

$1250 complete plus shipping.

$850 frame, fork, headset plus shipping.

Thanks!

Best,

Aaron in El Paso 

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Re: [RBW] FS: 1985 Ritchey Ascent (XXL/23”) – $1300

[Julian Westerhout]

Doh!   Sorry -- my first response was pre-coffee -- yes, the price is 
listed. Sorry for missing it, Luke   :) 

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 6:08:13 AM UTC-6 Eric Daume wrote:

> It’s in the title, $1300. 
>
> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022, Julian Westerhout  
> wrote:
>
>> Luke, 
>>
>> You forgot to list your asking price. 
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL 
>>
>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 7:02:10 PM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> I’m moving along my vintage Ritchey mountain bike as I’m just not riding 
>>> it all that much (my Riv’s just too much fun!).
>>>
>>> Made by Toyo for Ritchey, almost all of this is first gen Shimano XT 
>>> (Deer Head) along with some super rare high flange black XT hubs. The rear 
>>> brake’s a Suntour roller cam u-brake. The current tires (not pictured here) 
>>> are NOS Tioga Psycho II tires from the early 90s and shred super hard. 
>>> Superlative handling that’s very zippy and fun. Full hand brake levers from 
>>> Suntour, a worn in Brooks B17 saddle, nifty olive paint job, 45-36-24 
>>> chainrings, and a cute lil’ Velo Orange bell top it all off. Feel free to 
>>> ask any questions. I’m open to *reasonable* offers and also wish to 
>>> sell this locally (greater Bay Area).
>>>
>>> See here for some backstory: 
>>> https://theradavist.com/ritchey-ascent-review/
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Platypus and Mini-Motos?

[J.C. Bryant]

I know Mike Varley at Black Mountain Cycles is a big fan of the Minimoto 
and specs them for a lot of Monstercross builds, which has a max tire size 
of 700x50. Paul discusses fender clearance in this video 
, but as Laing has said, there 
are other variables at play, namely the relationship between rim width and 
stud spacing and specific tire fit.

I can take some measurements when I get home, but I have a pair of 
Motolites set up with Cliffhangers. The pads are set to the shortest 
extension and the arms had to be splayed outward a bit for brake pad 
clearance, thus reducing the vertical clearance. Not a problem with 
Motolites but this is significant in your case because you're flirting with 
the maximum allowable clearance for the Minimoto. I think a wide rim will 
be just enough to push you over the edge. Motolites would likely be a much 
better option. If you are dead-set on short pull levers, I'd recommend 
cantilevers.

Side note: I remember seeing a set of custom Motolite brake pad collars on 
eBay that were designed to get the pads a bit further from the rim, which 
would allow the arms to sit vertically with wider rims. I thought some guy 
was making them, but it was apparently a one-off and they're long gone. 
With the popularity of wide rims (like Cliffhangers/Atlas/Quills/etc.), I 
think it makes sense and I'd absolutely pay extra for an alternate set of 
pad collars that work a bit better with my Cliffhangers.

I'm currently going through a big cantilever phase, so I've been 
considering putting up my Motolites if there's anyone who wants to trade a 
set of Paul cantilever brakes.

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 7:36:44 AM UTC-6 lconley wrote:

> Note that rim width changes the width of the tire not the height of the 
> tire. 
> The height of the tire is usually the problem, not the width.
> Proper adjustment of the brakes will impact the available clearance. There 
> more vertical that you adjust the arms on a V-brake like the Motolite - the 
> more clearance that you will have on the cross cable. You do this by moving 
> the spacers on the brake shoe attachments between the shoe and the brake 
> arm around. If the arms are splayed out like on a previous post, put the 
> thinner washers or no washer between the brake arm and brake shoe, the 
> leftover washers go between the brake arm and the attaching nut.
>
> Laing
>
> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 9:53:18 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Here is a photo of the clearance when I had the Cavas on. A few things to 
>> consider.
>>
>>
>>1. The height on these is 85mm and as pointed out above the minimotos 
>>are 81
>>2. I have pacenti rims vs your cliffhangers so I am likely not 
>>getting near full width (48mm)
>>3. The Cava's say "around 48" but they probably measure less even on 
>>a rim like the cliffhangers.
>>
>> So based on that I would account for there being around 8mm less 
>> clearance in your setup. I would not have gone any larger in my setup and 
>> in fact I dropped to 42's to get more clearance. I agree with Joe. Its a 
>> safer bet to go with the motolites.
>>
>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 9:14:57 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> You're probably not going to find someone with MiniMotos on a Platy so I 
>>> did a bit of sleuthing. I have Motolites on my Riv custom with 47mm tires, 
>>> the straddle wire height is 103mm, here's the clearance I show. MiniMotos 
>>> have an 81mm straddle height, I think that 22mm difference is going to bite 
>>> you and that's not including that one of the arms bends over even lower. 
>>>
>>> I'd recommend the Motolites for her bike, they're super extremely 
>>> amazing. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 3:38:40 PM UTC-8 stoker wrote:
>>>
 Hi all - 
 I received my wife’s 50cm Platypus last week. I am setting it up with 
 Cliffhangers and 650b x 48 tires (Switchback Hills). I am wondering if 
 Mini-Motos would have sufficient clearance at the straddle wire. Has any 
 body tried this combination (or something similar?)

 Thanks all - Bob

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Kickstand plates, what's up with that?

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I remember these discussions from 7 years ago. I took my kickstand off and 
bought a Click Stand just to be safe before I damaged the plate on my Hunq. 
Riv said plates on Waterford Riv's were thinner than the Taiwanese Riv's.

I thought I remembered someone thinking riding on rough roads had been 
enough for the weight of their single leg kickstand to twist and damage the 
plate on their bike but I haven't found the thread yet.

Leah, your kickstand snapping in the back of your card is a completely 
different flavor of "yikes?!?!"

John

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Re: [RBW] FS: 1985 Ritchey Ascent (XXL/23”) – $1300

[Luke Hendrickson]

No problem!

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 8:06:21 AM UTC-8 weste...@gmail.com wrote:

> Doh!   Sorry -- my first response was pre-coffee -- yes, the price is 
> listed. Sorry for missing it, Luke   :) 
>
> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 6:08:13 AM UTC-6 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> It’s in the title, $1300. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022, Julian Westerhout  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Luke, 
>>>
>>> You forgot to list your asking price. 
>>>
>>> Julian Westerhout
>>> Bloomington, IL 
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 7:02:10 PM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
 I’m moving along my vintage Ritchey mountain bike as I’m just not 
 riding it all that much (my Riv’s just too much fun!).

 Made by Toyo for Ritchey, almost all of this is first gen Shimano XT 
 (Deer Head) along with some super rare high flange black XT hubs. The rear 
 brake’s a Suntour roller cam u-brake. The current tires (not pictured 
 here) 
 are NOS Tioga Psycho II tires from the early 90s and shred super hard. 
 Superlative handling that’s very zippy and fun. Full hand brake levers 
 from 
 Suntour, a worn in Brooks B17 saddle, nifty olive paint job, 45-36-24 
 chainrings, and a cute lil’ Velo Orange bell top it all off. Feel free to 
 ask any questions. I’m open to *reasonable* offers and also wish to 
 sell this locally (greater Bay Area).

 See here for some backstory: 
 https://theradavist.com/ritchey-ascent-review/

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[RBW] FS: SWOBO XL Wool SS JERSEYS

[Kim Hetzel]

I have three gently used mens Swobo XL wool jerseys made in San Francisco; 
green, blue and maroon and white. Unfortunately, they have various holes in 
all of them. See pictures. The royal blue jersey has the least amount of 
holes. The maroon jersey has the most. The green jersey is in the middle of 
count of holes.

I am unable to wear them no longer, because I have grown older and my body 
has changed to the point that the jerseys do not fit me no more.

I believe these jerseys would be a good fit for someone that wears a medium 
sized jersey with a lot of room or size large at best.

I just washed them with Woolite recently. They are clean and ready to go.

https://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/bop/d/yelm-swobo-xl-wool-ss-jerseys/7554948904.html

$150.00 OR BEST OFFER for all three or $45.00/each OR BEST OFFER. Shipped 
in the CONUS via payment through Paypal. 

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[James Whorton]

Mack, I like that setup on your Joe a lot.  Cool!  Are those 2-inchers
studded?

I use studded tires in winter (Continental Spike Claw 26 x 2.1") that I got
cheap through Craigslist.  I have thought of getting a set of studded tires
for my Clem, but would need 700c and haven't begun to sort that out.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 1:39 PM Mack Penner  wrote:

> Grant's blahg was a bit of a kick in the pants for me. Here is a photo of
> my just-winterized Joe in a snowbank on my commute this morning. This
> commute would have previously been earmarked for my "beater," which I've
> decided to give to my brother, so he can squirm through the snow on 30mm
> studded tires while I plow (and sometimes squirm), on 2-inchers.
> Coping in -20 degrees on the prairies,
> Mack
>
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 7:35:19 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Your two examples, Pam and Ana, are by no coincidence also my two biggest
>> role models when it comes to using the heck out of one's beautiful bike. I
>> try to channel them all the time, and in fact, I recently sold the Charlie
>> because I was finally able to fully accept that its existence in my quiver
>> was to be a "lockable" alternative to the Hillborne - and I should just
>> ride the Hillborne [but be smart about it]. The Hillborne is closing on
>> 8000km and the Bombadil nearing 5000km which is nothing compared to Pam's
>> numbers, but I'm proud of the mileage nonetheless - and optimistic that
>> this is just the beginning.
>>
>> I spent a somewhat embarassing amount of money on the Bombadil's repaint,
>> but generally haven't been too fussed about the scratches I've put into
>> that paint - with one exception: it fell over once and the Paul brake lever
>> put a sizeable gouge in the top tube's paint.  It looks horrible because it
>> doesn't look like a scratch from riding, it looks like a scratch from poor
>> care. So if you ever wonder why I put a "BIKE" sticker in such an odd spot
>> on my bike... it's to cover that scratch (photo from today's cold and wet
>> ride)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 18:04:25 UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Since this is the my first time owning a Rivendell bicycle; a Clem Jr.
>>> "L", I have grown to appreciate it more and more when I ride it. Purchased
>>> it mid-September of this year. I am relieved and happy at the same time to
>>> be able love this bike, after years from retiring my road bike (2012); a
>>> 1973 Cilo Sprint-X turned into a sports touring bike with drop bars. It fit
>>> me well. However, I became older and grew tried of riding in the drops. I
>>> struggled with my Raleigh Elkhorn in a lot of modifications that led to not
>>> riding the bike very much in the long run.
>>>
>>> Generally, the material possessions that I own, I take good care of and
>>> not see them neglected. Knowing that my Clem Jr. "L" is not your everyday
>>> production bike and not that easy to replace, I plan on not locking it up
>>> and not letting out of my sight. My Cilo I never locked her up nor out of
>>> my sight. I do have a garage for my bikes. Yes, I would be very sad to have
>>> my Clem Jr. "L" stolen. I do not have a back up  bike for it at his time.
>>>
>>> I know over time, there will be nicks, scuffs, scratches and deep cuts
>>> into the paint and frame. To me, that is a reflection a well loved bicycle,
>>> just like the Velveteen Rabbit children's book story. Isn't it ?
>>>
>>> It as been quite a journey owning fourteen bikes before my Clem Jr. "L"
>>> in my life. I am glad that I made this purchase and crossed over a bridge
>>> to finding comfort and feeling the joys of cycling once again in my
>>> retirement years.  I long to ride off road, again soon. It handles very
>>> confident and true over the terrain. It just wants to keep on rolling.
>>>
>>> I need to buy some Honjo fenders for it.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 2:33:03 PM UTC-8 Jim Whorton wrote:
>>>
 Great thread.  I would love to ride my Riv every day but I have the
 following problem: I live in Rochester, NY and during the winter that means
 riding in a salty gray slush.  So I have what I used to think of as a
 "beater," a Rivified 80s mountain bike (Peugeot US Express) that I ride to
 the grocery store a couple time a week, in winter with studded tires.  I
 painted the bottom bracket shell and dropouts with red Rustoleum.  Rear
 derailleur is rusty, chain is rusty, it gets nasty.  Can't rinse the salt
 off during sub-freezing weather, as I learned, or the shifter cable will
 freeze inside the housing.  I have not got to the point where I can imagine
 taking my Riv out in that mess.

 Here's the other thing, though--I love the Peugeot US Express.  I paid
 $40 for the frame--later added Nitto bars, a dyno front wheel, a huge
 double rear basket--but I ride it with very much pleasure.

 On Sunday, November 6, 

Re: [RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Mack Penner]

 

Thanks, Jim. I’m running studs in the front (Schwalbe Marathon 29x2.0), but 
not in the back. On days like today, studs on both ends would be better, 
but where I live we are prone to warm (and fierce) chinook winds, which 
means that the roads will be clearish for a big chunk of the winter, so I 
compromise. There is a 90+% chance that I’ll lose rear traction and fall a 
time or two this winter, but I’ll be wearing lots of clothes so it won’t 
hurt too bad! If I had the clearance you’ve got on a Clem, I might even run 
something bigger and spikier (?) like the Schwalbe Ice Spiker, which I 
think comes in 29x2.25. Along with Schwalbe, 45NRTH seems to be the other 
good option for studs. They have a tire called the Kahva that is also 
29x2.25. 

Mack
(apologies to the thread if this message appears twice, I'm having email 
problems)

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 11:55:07 AM UTC-7 Jim Whorton wrote:

> Mack, I like that setup on your Joe a lot.  Cool!  Are those 2-inchers 
> studded?  
>
> I use studded tires in winter (Continental Spike Claw 26 x 2.1") that I 
> got cheap through Craigslist.  I have thought of getting a set of studded 
> tires for my Clem, but would need 700c and haven't begun to sort that out.  
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 1:39 PM Mack Penner  wrote:
>
>> Grant's blahg was a bit of a kick in the pants for me. Here is a photo of 
>> my just-winterized Joe in a snowbank on my commute this morning. This 
>> commute would have previously been earmarked for my "beater," which I've 
>> decided to give to my brother, so he can squirm through the snow on 30mm 
>> studded tires while I plow (and sometimes squirm), on 2-inchers. 
>> Coping in -20 degrees on the prairies,
>> Mack 
>>
>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 7:35:19 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Your two examples, Pam and Ana, are by no coincidence also my two 
>>> biggest role models when it comes to using the heck out of one's beautiful 
>>> bike. I try to channel them all the time, and in fact, I recently sold the 
>>> Charlie because I was finally able to fully accept that its existence in my 
>>> quiver was to be a "lockable" alternative to the Hillborne - and I should 
>>> just ride the Hillborne [but be smart about it]. The Hillborne is closing 
>>> on 8000km and the Bombadil nearing 5000km which is nothing compared to 
>>> Pam's numbers, but I'm proud of the mileage nonetheless - and optimistic 
>>> that this is just the beginning.  
>>>
>>> I spent a somewhat embarassing amount of money on the Bombadil's 
>>> repaint, but generally haven't been too fussed about the scratches I've put 
>>> into that paint - with one exception: it fell over once and the Paul brake 
>>> lever put a sizeable gouge in the top tube's paint.  It looks horrible 
>>> because it doesn't look like a scratch from riding, it looks like a scratch 
>>> from poor care. So if you ever wonder why I put a "BIKE" sticker in such an 
>>> odd spot on my bike... it's to cover that scratch (photo from today's cold 
>>> and wet ride) 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 18:04:25 UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Since this is the my first time owning a Rivendell bicycle; a Clem Jr. 
 "L", I have grown to appreciate it more and more when I ride it. Purchased 
 it mid-September of this year. I am relieved and happy at the same time to 
 be able love this bike, after years from retiring my road bike (2012); a 
 1973 Cilo Sprint-X turned into a sports touring bike with drop bars. It 
 fit 
 me well. However, I became older and grew tried of riding in the drops. I 
 struggled with my Raleigh Elkhorn in a lot of modifications that led to 
 not 
 riding the bike very much in the long run. 

 Generally, the material possessions that I own, I take good care of and 
 not see them neglected. Knowing that my Clem Jr. "L" is not your everyday 
 production bike and not that easy to replace, I plan on not locking it up 
 and not letting out of my sight. My Cilo I never locked her up nor out of 
 my sight. I do have a garage for my bikes. Yes, I would be very sad to 
 have 
 my Clem Jr. "L" stolen. I do not have a back up  bike for it at his time. 

 I know over time, there will be nicks, scuffs, scratches and deep cuts 
 into the paint and frame. To me, that is a reflection a well loved 
 bicycle, 
 just like the Velveteen Rabbit children's book story. Isn't it ?

 It as been quite a journey owning fourteen bikes before my Clem Jr. "L" 
 in my life. I am glad that I made this purchase and crossed over a bridge 
 to finding comfort and feeling the joys of cycling once again in my 
 retirement years.  I long to ride off road, again soon. It handles very 
 confident and true over the terrain. It just wants to keep on rolling.

 I need to buy some Honjo fenders for it. 

 Kim Hetzel
 Yelm, WA. 








>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Mackenzy Albright]

after riding a lot of bikes in a lot of terrible conditions i've come to 
find for the most part a semi well maintained bike is pretty robust and not 
so worried anymore. 

the two things that DO worry me is 

1. bike theft. Having a bike you can lock up. Ideally the workplace has 
secure bike parking and if I park for less than a few hours neighborhood 
pending. I no longer bar hop and in general pretty careful about where to 
park for short periods. Knock on wood aside from a few stolen bits and bobs 
off my bikes never had any real major theft. 

2. SALT. Previously living in Alberta, they put some sort of demonic liquid 
ice melt on the paths. I used the 45north Kavas on my winter bike and they 
were great in all conditions and especially on ice and hardpack snow. The 
ice melt would melt through snow and ice making some sort of corrosive 
slurry that felt like riding on wet sand at a beach. The ice slurry ate 
through an imperfect powder-coat on my SSFGmtb "winter bike". By spring it 
was bubbling and flaking terribly and lead to a lot of rust that I have yet 
to deal with since moving other than a good scrub and light oiling. It's 
fine as "beausage" on my Marino winter bike - but would have been pretty 
choked if it were a Riv or Crust 4x the cost and meant as a "lifer".  If 
they just left the packed snow it'd been fine and i'd ride any bike in the 
snow with studded tires. 

I feel quite guilty if i'm not using most of my bikes regularly. 

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 11:23:49 AM UTC-8 penne...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks, Jim. I’m running studs in the front (Schwalbe Marathon 29x2.0), 
> but not in the back. On days like today, studs on both ends would be 
> better, but where I live we are prone to warm (and fierce) chinook winds, 
> which means that the roads will be clearish for a big chunk of the winter, 
> so I compromise. There is a 90+% chance that I’ll lose rear traction and 
> fall a time or two this winter, but I’ll be wearing lots of clothes so it 
> won’t hurt too bad! If I had the clearance you’ve got on a Clem, I might 
> even run something bigger and spikier (?) like the Schwalbe Ice Spiker, 
> which I think comes in 29x2.25. Along with Schwalbe, 45NRTH seems to be the 
> other good option for studs. They have a tire called the Kahva that is also 
> 29x2.25. 
>
> Mack
> (apologies to the thread if this message appears twice, I'm having email 
> problems)
>
> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 11:55:07 AM UTC-7 Jim Whorton wrote:
>
>> Mack, I like that setup on your Joe a lot.  Cool!  Are those 2-inchers 
>> studded?  
>>
>> I use studded tires in winter (Continental Spike Claw 26 x 2.1") that I 
>> got cheap through Craigslist.  I have thought of getting a set of studded 
>> tires for my Clem, but would need 700c and haven't begun to sort that out.  
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 1:39 PM Mack Penner  wrote:
>>
>>> Grant's blahg was a bit of a kick in the pants for me. Here is a photo 
>>> of my just-winterized Joe in a snowbank on my commute this morning. This 
>>> commute would have previously been earmarked for my "beater," which I've 
>>> decided to give to my brother, so he can squirm through the snow on 30mm 
>>> studded tires while I plow (and sometimes squirm), on 2-inchers. 
>>> Coping in -20 degrees on the prairies,
>>> Mack 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 7:35:19 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Your two examples, Pam and Ana, are by no coincidence also my two 
 biggest role models when it comes to using the heck out of one's beautiful 
 bike. I try to channel them all the time, and in fact, I recently sold the 
 Charlie because I was finally able to fully accept that its existence in 
 my 
 quiver was to be a "lockable" alternative to the Hillborne - and I should 
 just ride the Hillborne [but be smart about it]. The Hillborne is closing 
 on 8000km and the Bombadil nearing 5000km which is nothing compared to 
 Pam's numbers, but I'm proud of the mileage nonetheless - and optimistic 
 that this is just the beginning.  

 I spent a somewhat embarassing amount of money on the Bombadil's 
 repaint, but generally haven't been too fussed about the scratches I've 
 put 
 into that paint - with one exception: it fell over once and the Paul brake 
 lever put a sizeable gouge in the top tube's paint.  It looks horrible 
 because it doesn't look like a scratch from riding, it looks like a 
 scratch 
 from poor care. So if you ever wonder why I put a "BIKE" sticker in such 
 an 
 odd spot on my bike... it's to cover that scratch (photo from today's cold 
 and wet ride) 



 On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 18:04:25 UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Since this is the my first time owning a Rivendell bicycle; a Clem Jr. 
> "L", I have grown to appreciate it more and more when I ride it. 
> Purchased 
> it mid-September of this year. I am relieved and happy a

Re: [RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Mack Penner]

Theft scares me , too. I have some pretty hardcore locks and don't lock up 
for hours at a time if I can avoid it.

It may be possible to breathe a little easier in places where the bike 
culture is, let's say, highly modern. This might encompass a lot of places. 
Even if I struggle to totally believe it, a bike shop owner around here in 
southern Alberta told me that a decently locked bike without suspension 
basically isn't going to be stolen. I'm sure that silver or polished (ie 
"old looking") components make a bike even less interesting to would-be 
thieves. A basket might make a thief roll their eyes! Swept back bars? 
Puke! Suspension mountain bikes dominate the scene here, and I'm sure that 
the rapid takeover of all sorts of e-bikes further concentrates the efforts 
of real thieves on a particular part of the spectrum. 

Something Riv-ish and well-locked so as not to entice an opportunist is 
probably pretty safe in my neck of the woods, at least, even if I still 
worry. 

Mack 

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:34:52 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> after riding a lot of bikes in a lot of terrible conditions i've come to 
> find for the most part a semi well maintained bike is pretty robust and not 
> so worried anymore. 
>
> the two things that DO worry me is 
>
> 1. bike theft. Having a bike you can lock up. Ideally the workplace has 
> secure bike parking and if I park for less than a few hours neighborhood 
> pending. I no longer bar hop and in general pretty careful about where to 
> park for short periods. Knock on wood aside from a few stolen bits and bobs 
> off my bikes never had any real major theft. 
>
> 2. SALT. Previously living in Alberta, they put some sort of demonic 
> liquid ice melt on the paths. I used the 45north Kavas on my winter bike 
> and they were great in all conditions and especially on ice and hardpack 
> snow. The ice melt would melt through snow and ice making some sort of 
> corrosive slurry that felt like riding on wet sand at a beach. The ice 
> slurry ate through an imperfect powder-coat on my SSFGmtb "winter bike". By 
> spring it was bubbling and flaking terribly and lead to a lot of rust that 
> I have yet to deal with since moving other than a good scrub and light 
> oiling. It's fine as "beausage" on my Marino winter bike - but would have 
> been pretty choked if it were a Riv or Crust 4x the cost and meant as a 
> "lifer".  If they just left the packed snow it'd been fine and i'd ride any 
> bike in the snow with studded tires. 
>
> I feel quite guilty if i'm not using most of my bikes regularly. 
>
> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 11:23:49 AM UTC-8 penne...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Jim. I’m running studs in the front (Schwalbe Marathon 29x2.0), 
>> but not in the back. On days like today, studs on both ends would be 
>> better, but where I live we are prone to warm (and fierce) chinook winds, 
>> which means that the roads will be clearish for a big chunk of the winter, 
>> so I compromise. There is a 90+% chance that I’ll lose rear traction and 
>> fall a time or two this winter, but I’ll be wearing lots of clothes so it 
>> won’t hurt too bad! If I had the clearance you’ve got on a Clem, I might 
>> even run something bigger and spikier (?) like the Schwalbe Ice Spiker, 
>> which I think comes in 29x2.25. Along with Schwalbe, 45NRTH seems to be the 
>> other good option for studs. They have a tire called the Kahva that is also 
>> 29x2.25. 
>>
>> Mack
>> (apologies to the thread if this message appears twice, I'm having email 
>> problems)
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 11:55:07 AM UTC-7 Jim Whorton wrote:
>>
>>> Mack, I like that setup on your Joe a lot.  Cool!  Are those 2-inchers 
>>> studded?  
>>>
>>> I use studded tires in winter (Continental Spike Claw 26 x 2.1") that I 
>>> got cheap through Craigslist.  I have thought of getting a set of studded 
>>> tires for my Clem, but would need 700c and haven't begun to sort that out.  
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 1:39 PM Mack Penner  wrote:
>>>
 Grant's blahg was a bit of a kick in the pants for me. Here is a photo 
 of my just-winterized Joe in a snowbank on my commute this morning. This 
 commute would have previously been earmarked for my "beater," which I've 
 decided to give to my brother, so he can squirm through the snow on 30mm 
 studded tires while I plow (and sometimes squirm), on 2-inchers. 
 Coping in -20 degrees on the prairies,
 Mack 

 On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 7:35:19 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Your two examples, Pam and Ana, are by no coincidence also my two 
> biggest role models when it comes to using the heck out of one's 
> beautiful 
> bike. I try to channel them all the time, and in fact, I recently sold 
> the 
> Charlie because I was finally able to fully accept that its existence in 
> my 
> quiver was to be a "lockable" alternative to the Hillborne - and I should 
> ju

Re: [RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Scott Calhoun]

Great topic with interesting responses. Like Leah, I'm both guilty and 
innocent. I ride my bikes a lot, but I'm also guilty of planning so I don't 
have to lock up fancy bikes for significant periods of time. My most used 
and useful bike, my MAP randonneur, was also my most expensive. I keep a 
couple of u-locks at bike racks at stores and cafes I frequent. I also have 
been riding a 1994 Bridgestone RB-1 that I love, and maybe it is not on the 
radar for thieves as much, but I'd still hate to lose it.

Which brings me to my biggest bike anxiety: my favorite riding bikes are 
simply not replaceable (or at least not easily so). Mitch Pryor of MAP has 
left the bike biz, and finding another nice '94 62cm RB-1 could take 
forever. The bike thieves in our town are pretty indiscriminate about what 
they take. Scanning the Tucson Stolen Bikes instagram profile, I see every 
kind of bike: newer and vintage, MTB, and road, utility to fixie. 

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:57:17 PM UTC-7 penne...@gmail.com wrote:

> Theft scares me , too. I have some pretty hardcore locks and don't lock up 
> for hours at a time if I can avoid it.
>
> It may be possible to breathe a little easier in places where the bike 
> culture is, let's say, highly modern. This might encompass a lot of places. 
> Even if I struggle to totally believe it, a bike shop owner around here in 
> southern Alberta told me that a decently locked bike without suspension 
> basically isn't going to be stolen. I'm sure that silver or polished (ie 
> "old looking") components make a bike even less interesting to would-be 
> thieves. A basket might make a thief roll their eyes! Swept back bars? 
> Puke! Suspension mountain bikes dominate the scene here, and I'm sure that 
> the rapid takeover of all sorts of e-bikes further concentrates the efforts 
> of real thieves on a particular part of the spectrum. 
>
> Something Riv-ish and well-locked so as not to entice an opportunist is 
> probably pretty safe in my neck of the woods, at least, even if I still 
> worry. 
>
> Mack 
>
> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:34:52 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> after riding a lot of bikes in a lot of terrible conditions i've come to 
>> find for the most part a semi well maintained bike is pretty robust and not 
>> so worried anymore. 
>>
>> the two things that DO worry me is 
>>
>> 1. bike theft. Having a bike you can lock up. Ideally the workplace has 
>> secure bike parking and if I park for less than a few hours neighborhood 
>> pending. I no longer bar hop and in general pretty careful about where to 
>> park for short periods. Knock on wood aside from a few stolen bits and bobs 
>> off my bikes never had any real major theft. 
>>
>> 2. SALT. Previously living in Alberta, they put some sort of demonic 
>> liquid ice melt on the paths. I used the 45north Kavas on my winter bike 
>> and they were great in all conditions and especially on ice and hardpack 
>> snow. The ice melt would melt through snow and ice making some sort of 
>> corrosive slurry that felt like riding on wet sand at a beach. The ice 
>> slurry ate through an imperfect powder-coat on my SSFGmtb "winter bike". By 
>> spring it was bubbling and flaking terribly and lead to a lot of rust that 
>> I have yet to deal with since moving other than a good scrub and light 
>> oiling. It's fine as "beausage" on my Marino winter bike - but would have 
>> been pretty choked if it were a Riv or Crust 4x the cost and meant as a 
>> "lifer".  If they just left the packed snow it'd been fine and i'd ride any 
>> bike in the snow with studded tires. 
>>
>> I feel quite guilty if i'm not using most of my bikes regularly. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 11:23:49 AM UTC-8 penne...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Jim. I’m running studs in the front (Schwalbe Marathon 29x2.0), 
>>> but not in the back. On days like today, studs on both ends would be 
>>> better, but where I live we are prone to warm (and fierce) chinook winds, 
>>> which means that the roads will be clearish for a big chunk of the winter, 
>>> so I compromise. There is a 90+% chance that I’ll lose rear traction and 
>>> fall a time or two this winter, but I’ll be wearing lots of clothes so it 
>>> won’t hurt too bad! If I had the clearance you’ve got on a Clem, I might 
>>> even run something bigger and spikier (?) like the Schwalbe Ice Spiker, 
>>> which I think comes in 29x2.25. Along with Schwalbe, 45NRTH seems to be the 
>>> other good option for studs. They have a tire called the Kahva that is also 
>>> 29x2.25. 
>>>
>>> Mack
>>> (apologies to the thread if this message appears twice, I'm having email 
>>> problems)
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 11:55:07 AM UTC-7 Jim Whorton wrote:
>>>
 Mack, I like that setup on your Joe a lot.  Cool!  Are those 2-inchers 
 studded?  

 I use studded tires in winter (Continental Spike Claw 26 x 2.1") that I 
 got cheap through Craigslist.  I have thought of gett

Re: [RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[藍俊彪]

I've lost more cameras than I can count to theft, damage, drops, etc. But
to me, that's the price of getting good photos. A camera sitting in a
closet won't get good photos, and a bike in a secured garage not getting
ridden won't leave you with good memories. (Worse, when that bike gets
stolen the thief managed to get a bike with very little mileage on it!) I
think there's no way around it. Again, my back up plan is to have a very
firm idea of what geometry the bike has (down to the diagrams when
possible), and then in a pinch I can have a custom builder replicate it. My
recent experience this year of cracking a frame (the frame builder jumped
me to the top of the queue since it was a warranty replacement) was what
made me realized that having a second nice road bike isn't an extravagance.
So that's another viable alternative.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 3:55 PM Scott Calhoun  wrote:

> Great topic with interesting responses. Like Leah, I'm both guilty and
> innocent. I ride my bikes a lot, but I'm also guilty of planning so I don't
> have to lock up fancy bikes for significant periods of time. My most used
> and useful bike, my MAP randonneur, was also my most expensive. I keep a
> couple of u-locks at bike racks at stores and cafes I frequent. I also have
> been riding a 1994 Bridgestone RB-1 that I love, and maybe it is not on the
> radar for thieves as much, but I'd still hate to lose it.
>
> Which brings me to my biggest bike anxiety: my favorite riding bikes are
> simply not replaceable (or at least not easily so). Mitch Pryor of MAP has
> left the bike biz, and finding another nice '94 62cm RB-1 could take
> forever. The bike thieves in our town are pretty indiscriminate about what
> they take. Scanning the Tucson Stolen Bikes instagram profile, I see every
> kind of bike: newer and vintage, MTB, and road, utility to fixie.
>
> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:57:17 PM UTC-7 penne...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Theft scares me , too. I have some pretty hardcore locks and don't lock
>> up for hours at a time if I can avoid it.
>>
>> It may be possible to breathe a little easier in places where the bike
>> culture is, let's say, highly modern. This might encompass a lot of places.
>> Even if I struggle to totally believe it, a bike shop owner around here in
>> southern Alberta told me that a decently locked bike without suspension
>> basically isn't going to be stolen. I'm sure that silver or polished (ie
>> "old looking") components make a bike even less interesting to would-be
>> thieves. A basket might make a thief roll their eyes! Swept back bars?
>> Puke! Suspension mountain bikes dominate the scene here, and I'm sure that
>> the rapid takeover of all sorts of e-bikes further concentrates the efforts
>> of real thieves on a particular part of the spectrum.
>>
>> Something Riv-ish and well-locked so as not to entice an opportunist is
>> probably pretty safe in my neck of the woods, at least, even if I still
>> worry.
>>
>> Mack
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:34:52 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>
>>> after riding a lot of bikes in a lot of terrible conditions i've come to
>>> find for the most part a semi well maintained bike is pretty robust and not
>>> so worried anymore.
>>>
>>> the two things that DO worry me is
>>>
>>> 1. bike theft. Having a bike you can lock up. Ideally the workplace has
>>> secure bike parking and if I park for less than a few hours neighborhood
>>> pending. I no longer bar hop and in general pretty careful about where to
>>> park for short periods. Knock on wood aside from a few stolen bits and bobs
>>> off my bikes never had any real major theft.
>>>
>>> 2. SALT. Previously living in Alberta, they put some sort of demonic
>>> liquid ice melt on the paths. I used the 45north Kavas on my winter bike
>>> and they were great in all conditions and especially on ice and hardpack
>>> snow. The ice melt would melt through snow and ice making some sort of
>>> corrosive slurry that felt like riding on wet sand at a beach. The ice
>>> slurry ate through an imperfect powder-coat on my SSFGmtb "winter bike". By
>>> spring it was bubbling and flaking terribly and lead to a lot of rust that
>>> I have yet to deal with since moving other than a good scrub and light
>>> oiling. It's fine as "beausage" on my Marino winter bike - but would have
>>> been pretty choked if it were a Riv or Crust 4x the cost and meant as a
>>> "lifer".  If they just left the packed snow it'd been fine and i'd ride any
>>> bike in the snow with studded tires.
>>>
>>> I feel quite guilty if i'm not using most of my bikes regularly.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 11:23:49 AM UTC-8 penne...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks, Jim. I’m running studs in the front (Schwalbe Marathon 29x2.0),
 but not in the back. On days like today, studs on both ends would be
 better, but where I live we are prone to warm (and fierce) chinook winds,
 which means that the roads will be clearish for a big ch

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Jim Bronson]

I ride my Rivendells for almost everything, but I'm not going to lock them
up outside a grocery store or a bar.  Or an outdoor music festival, like
Austin City Limits with 75,000 people.  I have my beater for those things.

The Rivs get 99% of all the riding I do.  They get rode hard and put away
wet.  Grant needent fret.

Jim
Austin suburbs, TX

On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 5:15 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable to
> me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In sum,
> Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes
> instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those
> tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will
> not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs
> who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was
> the bike for?
>
> I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 favorite
> bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I bought it
> to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do guard it from
> that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to shopping and traveling
> with and promised not to be precious about it. But now and then I still am
> tempted to backslide. When traveling to the Philly Bike Expo I dithered
> about which bike to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry Platy damaged while
> locked up at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta said, “I don’t
> think you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people will expect you to
> bring.” And she was right, and I did.
>
> Then, there is Pam. Pam is at the other far end of the spectrum. Her bike
> is a model of beausage. Innumerable paint chips and little spots of rust
> cover her tiny Betty frame. Her Backabike bags are full of holes and the
> elastic closures are worn out. She locks it up and never worries about it.
> She did not obsessively stare out the restaurant window to see if it was
> still locked to the rack while we were at dinner (like yours truly). But
> she loves her bike, has real affection for it. She looked at me, eyes
> shining, and said exactly that. Ana, PurpleRiv, is another good example to
> us. She adores her bike, but has not spared it from hard work. Her bike has
> hauled obscene loads and taken her everywhere. I remember there was that
> one fateful camping trip for she 1. Posed it for a photo, only to have it
> topple and slide down the face of a boulder next to it. I believe she said
> she sat there and wept for 2 hours over her Joe Bell paint. And who among
> us would not do the same? 2. Same trip, another photo op, and the bike fell
> off a cliff.
>
> So, who truly loves their Rivendell? The one who lavishes it with care and
> protection? Or the one who pulls it out of the garage and into all of life
> - the mundane and the adventurous?
>
> On one end of the spectrum we have those who will only take a Rivendell
> out for special occasions so as not to spoil it, and on the other…well, we
> have Pam and Ana, who will give it a good thrashing. (Oh, don’t take it
> personally, friends, I’m being funny about both types of owners.)
>
> I find myself wanting to be precious but fighting it and succeeding *most*
> of the time. I’m lucky that the raspberry paint hides beausage and dirt, so
> it looks pretty new. But a dent in the top tube or a large chip in the
> paint would really hurt my feelings. Heaven help me.
>
> Where are you on the spectrum? What words of wisdom might you have? What
> strategies do you employ? Do you want to change? Or are you
> unapologetically staying put on the matter? It might be fun to hear
> perspectives.
> Leah
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[luckyturnip]

Austin City Limits needs valet bike parking like Sacramento Area Bicycle 
Advocates offers at concerts. I parked a lot of crazy nice bikes at Aftershock 
this year! No Rivendells on my night though. 
In context, I ride my Atlantis and lean it on stuff and let it get scratches 
and dirty, but in the absence of bike valet or what I know to be safe parking, 
I don’t lock it to public racks.

> On Nov 8, 2022, at 16:34, Jim Bronson  wrote:
> 
> 
> I ride my Rivendells for almost everything, but I'm not going to lock them up 
> outside a grocery store or a bar.  Or an outdoor music festival, like Austin 
> City Limits with 75,000 people.  I have my beater for those things.
> 
> The Rivs get 99% of all the riding I do.  They get rode hard and put away 
> wet.  Grant needent fret.
> 
> Jim
> Austin suburbs, TX
> 
>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 5:15 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>  wrote:
>> Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable to 
>> me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In sum, 
>> Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes 
>> instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those 
>> tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will 
>> not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs 
>> who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was the 
>> bike for?
>> 
>> I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 favorite 
>> bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I bought it 
>> to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do guard it from 
>> that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to shopping and traveling 
>> with and promised not to be precious about it. But now and then I still am 
>> tempted to backslide. When traveling to the Philly Bike Expo I dithered 
>> about which bike to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry Platy damaged while 
>> locked up at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta said, “I don’t 
>> think you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people will expect you to 
>> bring.” And she was right, and I did. 
>> 
>> Then, there is Pam. Pam is at the other far end of the spectrum. Her bike is 
>> a model of beausage. Innumerable paint chips and little spots of rust cover 
>> her tiny Betty frame. Her Backabike bags are full of holes and the elastic 
>> closures are worn out. She locks it up and never worries about it. She did 
>> not obsessively stare out the restaurant window to see if it was still 
>> locked to the rack while we were at dinner (like yours truly). But she loves 
>> her bike, has real affection for it. She looked at me, eyes shining, and 
>> said exactly that. Ana, PurpleRiv, is another good example to us. She adores 
>> her bike, but has not spared it from hard work. Her bike has hauled obscene 
>> loads and taken her everywhere. I remember there was that one fateful 
>> camping trip for she 1. Posed it for a photo, only to have it topple and 
>> slide down the face of a boulder next to it. I believe she said she sat 
>> there and wept for 2 hours over her Joe Bell paint. And who among us would 
>> not do the same? 2. Same trip, another photo op, and the bike fell off a 
>> cliff. 
>> 
>> So, who truly loves their Rivendell? The one who lavishes it with care and 
>> protection? Or the one who pulls it out of the garage and into all of life - 
>> the mundane and the adventurous? 
>> 
>> On one end of the spectrum we have those who will only take a Rivendell out 
>> for special occasions so as not to spoil it, and on the other…well, we have 
>> Pam and Ana, who will give it a good thrashing. (Oh, don’t take it 
>> personally, friends, I’m being funny about both types of owners.)
>> 
>> I find myself wanting to be precious but fighting it and succeeding *most* 
>> of the time. I’m lucky that the raspberry paint hides beausage and dirt, so 
>> it looks pretty new. But a dent in the top tube or a large chip in the paint 
>> would really hurt my feelings. Heaven help me. 
>> 
>> Where are you on the spectrum? What words of wisdom might you have? What 
>> strategies do you employ? Do you want to change? Or are you unapologetically 
>> staying put on the matter? It might be fun to hear perspectives.
>> Leah
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Mackenzy Albright]

When I was living in Alberta, I had an art studio near a bottle depot. We 
had a lot of houseless folks in the area for that reason. We were pretty 
good pals with some of the regulars and we had some very interesting 
conversations about bike thief's. The main points i remember that i use as 
general rules: 

1. bikes and parts that can be bartered - 26" wheels are hot. old mountain 
bikes. anything with QR. Any seat is in danger. 
2. Convenience - anything that can be swiped or taken off easy. (QR) 
Leaving a bike "for a moment" etc. Leaving a bike in a dark corner street 
late at night. Leaving it alone draws attention. Riding your carbon roadie 
and leaving it outside the shop to grab an espresso - its gone. Parking 
your bike in the same spot every single day makes it easy for more 
organized thief's. 
3. Making it inconvenient means locking well lit high foot traffic zones, 
near spaces where other cyclists lock up (we kinda watch out for suspect 
behavior) coffee shops. bike shops. bars can be OK as there are often 
smokers outside etc. other social sort of spaces. 
4. if somebody really wants it, they'll find a way. 


On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 4:34:49 PM UTC-8 Jim Bronson wrote:

> I ride my Rivendells for almost everything, but I'm not going to lock them 
> up outside a grocery store or a bar.  Or an outdoor music festival, like 
> Austin City Limits with 75,000 people.  I have my beater for those things.
>
> The Rivs get 99% of all the riding I do.  They get rode hard and put away 
> wet.  Grant needent fret.
>
> Jim
> Austin suburbs, TX
>
> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 5:15 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable 
>> to me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In 
>> sum, Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes 
>> instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those 
>> tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will 
>> not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs 
>> who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was 
>> the bike for?
>>
>> I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 
>> favorite bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I 
>> bought it to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do 
>> guard it from that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to shopping 
>> and traveling with and promised not to be precious about it. But now and 
>> then I still am tempted to backslide. When traveling to the Philly Bike 
>> Expo I dithered about which bike to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry Platy 
>> damaged while locked up at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta 
>> said, “I don’t think you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people will 
>> expect you to bring.” And she was right, and I did. 
>>
>> Then, there is Pam. Pam is at the other far end of the spectrum. Her bike 
>> is a model of beausage. Innumerable paint chips and little spots of rust 
>> cover her tiny Betty frame. Her Backabike bags are full of holes and the 
>> elastic closures are worn out. She locks it up and never worries about it. 
>> She did not obsessively stare out the restaurant window to see if it was 
>> still locked to the rack while we were at dinner (like yours truly). But 
>> she loves her bike, has real affection for it. She looked at me, eyes 
>> shining, and said exactly that. Ana, PurpleRiv, is another good example to 
>> us. She adores her bike, but has not spared it from hard work. Her bike has 
>> hauled obscene loads and taken her everywhere. I remember there was that 
>> one fateful camping trip for she 1. Posed it for a photo, only to have it 
>> topple and slide down the face of a boulder next to it. I believe she said 
>> she sat there and wept for 2 hours over her Joe Bell paint. And who among 
>> us would not do the same? 2. Same trip, another photo op, and the bike fell 
>> off a cliff. 
>>
>> So, who truly loves their Rivendell? The one who lavishes it with care 
>> and protection? Or the one who pulls it out of the garage and into all of 
>> life - the mundane and the adventurous? 
>>
>> On one end of the spectrum we have those who will only take a Rivendell 
>> out for special occasions so as not to spoil it, and on the other…well, we 
>> have Pam and Ana, who will give it a good thrashing. (Oh, don’t take it 
>> personally, friends, I’m being funny about both types of owners.)
>>
>> I find myself wanting to be precious but fighting it and succeeding 
>> *most* of the time. I’m lucky that the raspberry paint hides beausage and 
>> dirt, so it looks pretty new. But a dent in the top tube or a large chip in 
>> the paint would really hurt my feelings. Heaven help me. 
>>
>> Where are you on the spectrum? What words of wisdom might you have? What 
>> strategies do you employ? Do y

[RBW] ISO/Recommendation: help me select a 9-speed triple front derailleur

[Todd G]

I’m looking for a recommendation for a clamp on 9-speed triple front 
derailleur for a Toyo built Atlantis. I’m currently running an old 9-speed 
LX front derailleur that shifts beautifully. I recently purchased some VO 
fenders and got them installed pretty easily. The only issue that I’m 
having is that while shifting, the long/tall arm of the front derailleur 
wants to move into the front fender as I shift into the small ring. 

To help remedy the situation, I swapped out the stock derailleur cable 
clamp bolt and washer for low profile Panhead screw, which got me a little 
real estate (image #1). In conjunction with the clamp bolt, I shimmed out 
the bottom of the fender at the chain stay bridge with an 11mm alloy spacer 
and a leather washer on either side to help push it away from the 
derailleur arm (image #3). This set up works in the stand, and the fender 
line is pretty good. With that said, my main concern at this point is that 
I’ve now pushed the bottom of the fender closer to the rear wheel. At the 
chain stay bridge, I used a stainless M5 bolt, but want to replace this 
with a low profile Panhead bolt as well, as there isn’t much space between 
the bolt head and the tire. “Not much space” translates to about 3-4mm or 
so, which it too close for my taste. So, if I were to install a Panhead 
bolt at the chain stay bridge I could probably call it good. So yeah, this 
setup will work as is, but I feel like I can get the rear set up pretty 
close to perfect if I were to just swap out the derailleur. 

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[RBW] Re: ISO/Recommendation: help me select a 9-speed triple front derailleur

[Todd G]

Continuation from above...

With that said, can anyone recommend a nice 9-speed triple front derailleur 
that doesn’t require as much space for the arm to actuate? I think that if 
I were to replace the derailleur with a derailleur that doesn’t require as 
much real estate, this would possibly solve all issues. Then I could run a 
smaller spacer at the chain stay bridge and get much better clearance 
between the bolt and rear tire.

Thanks for reading this far! Hope that made sense to someone other than 
myself.



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[RBW] Re: ISO/Recommendation: help me select a 9-speed triple front derailleur

[Todd G]

Link to images: https://photos.app.goo.gl/ft4S7XXqfUA9bcX

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[RBW] Re: ISO/Recommendation: help me select a 9-speed triple front derailleur

[Todd G]

Link to photos 

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 11:29:37 PM UTC-8 Todd G wrote:

> Link to images: https://photos.app.goo.gl/ft4S7XXqfUA9bcX
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