[RBW] Re: Make and model of stock Clem L saddle?

[Garth]

You're best off to contact Riv Yakeen as they may still have some to sell 
you. I can't tell by your photo which version it may be currently, and/or 
if it is the same model that had originally came with Clems, which appeared 
to be a non-retail OEM version of the Tour E-Grip. That's the model Joe 
referred to, but non-retail OEM versions typically have a more bland 
looking/unmarked cover as opposed to the retail versions which are nicer 
looking and branded. 

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[RBW] 2021 Homer wheelbase numbers

[Daman Kumar]

Hello, Rivsters,

Has anyone here measured the wheelbase of their 61.5 cm Homer? I've been 
meaning to replace my 59 cm Clem H with a shorter (emphasis on the *er*) 
wheelbase-d bike for months now, and only just started actively looking at 
options. The wheelbase is the only real complaint I have with the Clem -- 
it is way too long to fit on a bus rack, which diminishes a bike's utility 
for me.

Given the increase in chainstay length for the 2021 model, I wanted to 
check with the group if anyone has measured, or could measure, the 
wheelbase of their 61.5 cm bike.

I was originally considering picking up a Sam frame from the next batch, 
but I do want to get an Atlantis a few years down the line as my forever 
bike, and I felt there's a considerable overlap between the two. I intend 
to use the Homer as an S24O/bike-camping, go-fast (when not bringing 
groceries) bike. Randonneuring has interested me for a while, and it just 
seems perfect (although, I don't think *I* would have much trouble using a 
Sam or Atlantis for brevets given I'm not really a fast rider). At under 
170 lbs. I believe it shouldn't be a problem. I digress.

So... anybody?

Clem tax: a picture on a typical PNW winter morning at Lake Sammamish
P.S. How cool would a canti Homer be, eh?

Daman "who would be a lot more open to a Sam in that *gorgeous* Homer blue" 
Kumar

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[RBW] Re: FS 56 Toyo Atlantis and a few other items

[Nathan Mattia]

PM sent

On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 1:43:43 PM UTC-5 Andrew Huston wrote:

> Atlantis is sold. All others still available. Thanks!
>
> On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 3:10:31 PM UTC-4 Andrew Huston wrote:
>
>> So no bites, I am not interested to keep this bike. Lets do $1800 plus 
>> shipping. 
>>
>> On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 6:47:03 PM UTC-4 Andrew Huston wrote:
>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[Fred Marsh]

Thinking of getting canti-studs brazed on my Bleriot. Then the answer would 
be my Bleriot:

https://i.imgur.com/k7RGTgN.jpg

On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 4:01:36 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> Hahaha. Leah, I think you already took the cake! You having a pair of 
> Platypuses has always seemed perfectly reasonable, natural, and sensible. 
> Now if I can only find another 58 Hunqapillar I'll be all set. (I suppose 
> I'd settle for a Bombadil...)
> This thread is great.
>
> On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 4:45:16 PM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> #1 model to choose: the one you have/could easily get. For me that is the 
>> Appaloosa which I have now.
>> If I were starting all over...
>> #1 dream, but I cannot get it right now is the original Atlantis 64cm 
>> with one top tube. 
>> **Let me know if you are getting rid of one**
>> #2 Appaloosa
>> #3 Original Hunq
>> But they are all so good I do not want to rank them and would be happy 
>> with any model from any year.
>>
>> Edwin 
>>
>

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[RBW] Atlantis Sizing

[Dick Combs]

Hello all, I have a PBH of 83.5, through the years the Atlantis frame sizes 
fitting that PBH have changed. Could anyone tell me what range of years and 
frame sizes would be appropriate for a PBH of 83.5, Thanks

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[RBW] Wanted: Hunqpillar 54 or 58 cm hunqpillar

[peter cownan]

Looking to buy frame and fork hunqapillar either size will work. 

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[RBW] WTB/ISO: 31.8 and/or 25.4 Nitto FacePlater quill stem in 110 and/or 135 mm flavors

['Scott' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi, folks. If anyone has one of these and is willing to part with it, 
please contact me...willing to pay a premium.
Cheers,
Scott in Montana

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[RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

['Jim Kofron' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Alexander, I'm out in the western burbs (Downers Grove) with a big 
Platypus--if you're interested, give me a shout. I love mine, but my last 
bike was a Sanwa from the mid 80's--and that's the last time I rode it... 
so I'm not a good resource for comparisons. 

As Emily said, I was a bit mortified that I spent this much on a bike, but 
it is a ridable piece of art... and it makes me very happy.

On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 12:39:19 PM UTC-5 alexander...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Karl, I am in Chicago and PBH is 88. If anyone is local and would be 
> willing to let me try something out I'd be grateful! I also think there is 
> a shop not to far from me that carries them, I've been meaning to go see 
> what they have for a while.
>
> Rich, I suspect once I get one more will follow! I think the first will 
> likely be something used, so it may just come down to what pops up in my 
> size/budget. But who knows, the orange color of the Appaloosa is calling to 
> me as well, so if they make more that could end up being it as well. That 
> Hillborne looks super fun, love that color and bag setup. Looks very 
> capable for Atlanta's hills and potholes - I grew up there and my family is 
> all still in the city
>
> On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 12:24:19 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>
>> Alexander,
>>
>> Welcome to the group! Terrific collection of Rivendells on this thread. 
>>
>> Not an easy decision to select your first Rivendell. I went through this 
>> exercise years ago and landed on a Waterford built Atlantis. There is a 
>> common feeling running through Riv owners that says you can't have just one 
>> Rivendell. True enough I discovered. A Sam Hillborne followed shortly after 
>> acquiring the Atlantis. Others followed: Clem H, Roadeo, and a Taiwan built 
>> Homer. All except the Sam have moved on. Pic shows it in commuter mode; 
>> it's done everything well for me including brevets. 
>>
>> My advice is to take your best shot at what you think works for your 
>> needs now and dive in. It's likely you won't be disappointed. As a bonus, 
>> the customer service rendered by Grant and the crew is outstanding! 
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 8:29:44 PM UTC-4 alexander...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm a new group member but long time Riv fan. I recently came the 
>>> closest I've come to actually buying Rivendell, having only recently 
>>> reached a point where it has not felt out of reach financially. Anyway, it 
>>> got me wondering - what is the one model you would choose, current or 
>>> discontinued, if you could only have one?
>>>
>>> Alternately, what is your favorite Rivendell you have owned?
>>>
>>> Asking in part because I am wondering where to start myself - I've 
>>> wanted a Hunqapillar for a long time, and recently have become a bit 
>>> obsessed with the Quickbeam as well - but every model seems great in its 
>>> own way. Mostly just curious what you all find yourself riding the most 
>>> though!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Sycip "singles bar"

[Adam Ratcliffe]

I was running the Soma Oxford bar (essentially the same as the Albatross) 
on my Midnight Special and wanted something a little wider and less swept 
back but still with some rise. I put the Sycip JJJ bar on and have been 
really liking it so far. It has similar sweep to the Singles Bar and is a 
little wider, but not by much, and has 20mm rise. I've found it a pretty 
nice balance between on road comfort and control on rougher terrain. I'm 
using ESI chunky grips on them.

On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 7:43:08 AM UTC-7 jeffbog...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Great inputs here, thanks! I'm open to ideas for all-day and mixed terrain 
> comfort as well. What grips, bars, and seats do folks like best for this 
> type of riding? Coming from albatross, ergon, and b17 - maybe this is as 
> good as it gets?
>
> Jeff
>
> On Sunday, 14 August 2022 at 01:07:59 UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Sycip has several interesting bars that I hardly ever see on bikes. One 
>> is a flattish bar similar to Jitensha and Riv Nitto Wavie that uses road 
>> levers like an Albastache. Nifty! 
>>
>> On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 10:40:23 PM UTC-7 brizbarn wrote:
>>
>>> Never rode them or knew that they existed.  I thought about buying some 
>>> Nitto 
>>> B812 bars . 
>>> Almost the same as Singles Bar but more narrow, available only from Blue 
>>> Lug.   My friend has the wider Crust Juan Martin bars and likes them a lot. 
>>>  Seems like a good in-between of swept back and straight.  I imagine you 
>>> can still get rowdy with them, where swept back feel too relaxed, and 
>>> straight bars are not relaxed enough for regular seated riding. Thanks for 
>>> bringing these to my attention.   
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 6:05:22 PM UTC-7 mitchel...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 yeah these were wider cruiser type bars but like Joe said, no rise.. 
 reminded me of a narrower juan martin bar.

 On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 1:42:02 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I don't have one to sell but I've owned one, I really liked the grip 
> angle. No rise though so make sure you're ok with a lower bar (or can 
> raise 
> your stem). 
>
> On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 1:25:36 PM UTC-7 
> jeffbog...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> Anybody have experience with this handlebar? Looking to replace the 
>> Albatross on my Atlantis with something having less sweepback and this 
>> seems like it might be perfect. Thanks!
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>

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[RBW] WTB 52 Clem L in Seattle

[Chris Copeland]

Hi there folks, 
   I’m looking for a complete 52 Clem L in Seattle to share with my 
 partner as this size would fit us both.! I’m open to just purchasing an 
available one, but also have wanted to use artwork as a part of cash+barter 
sort of thing. Any leads would help, thanks!

Chris 

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[RBW] Re: FS - 56 Rivendell Rambouillet ca. 2006

[Chris Balaschak]

Still here and the photo has been updated. Found an unused c17 brooks 
saddle and some MKS pedals. Make an offer!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/e8JozwRq4FaWFPX1A

On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 9:27:53 AM UTC-4 Chris Balaschak wrote:

> Second owner of this lovely ride, and my #3 riv. Just slightly too big for 
> me, hence it sits more than any others. 
>
> Nitto seatpost, Nitto Technomic stem, nitto randonneur handlebars
>
> Dura Ace hubs on velocity rims, Jack Brown tires (700x33)
>
> Shimano deore crankset, Shimano FD, sunxd RD, hollowlink 10sp chain
>
> Shimano rim brakes and levers
>
> Components are generally in excellent condition, crankset is solid though 
> logos are worn, frame has some scratches and wear as expected for a bike of 
> this age, but nothing out of the ordinary
>
> Serial # RB1117
>
> Saddle, saddlebag, pump, and pedals excluded from sale 
>
> $2000
>
>
> Buyer pays a shop to box and ship early August (Sprockets in St Aug, FL), 
> or if you are along the 95, i may be passing you by in another week.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/e8JozwRq4FaWFPX1A
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] WTB or TRADE for Albastache Bar

[Nathan Mattia]

Hello.
*Looking for an Albastache bar to set up on my new-to-me '87 Miyata 100LT*

I have a Jones Bar SG 2.5 Loop in Silver Aluminum, still in the packaging 
(its a riser model) that I would trade.

Also have an aluminum Albatross bar I would trade.

OR I could buy outright from you.

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Sizing

[Brian Turner]

I'm right there with you; 83.5 / 84 PBH, and my saddle height is around 
72-73cm. From what I've read and seen, you'd probably be a solid 53 on a 
Toyo-built Atlantis. I've ridden a Toyo 58, and while I found it 
comfortable to ride, it was really only because it had skinny tires and 
swept-back bars. I would love to find a 56 Toyo to try out.

Current models, you'd be a 53 or 55 depending on what tire sizes you'd 
prefer to run. Personally, I like fatter tires and prefer riding rougher 
terrain, so if I were to look at a current Atlantis, I'd go for a 53.

I'm sure there are folks who have more real riding experience spanning all 
years of the Atlantis, who could better advise.

On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:29:59 PM UTC-4 Dick Combs wrote:

> Hello all, I have a PBH of 83.5, through the years the Atlantis frame 
> sizes fitting that PBH have changed. Could anyone tell me what range of 
> years and frame sizes would be appropriate for a PBH of 83.5, Thanks

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis Sizing

[luckyturnip]

79pbh, 31 inseam, and I own a 2004 Atlantis in size 53cm. 

> On Aug 15, 2022, at 09:57, Brian Turner  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm right there with you; 83.5 / 84 PBH, and my saddle height is around 
> 72-73cm. From what I've read and seen, you'd probably be a solid 53 on a 
> Toyo-built Atlantis. I've ridden a Toyo 58, and while I found it comfortable 
> to ride, it was really only because it had skinny tires and swept-back bars. 
> I would love to find a 56 Toyo to try out.
> 
> Current models, you'd be a 53 or 55 depending on what tire sizes you'd prefer 
> to run. Personally, I like fatter tires and prefer riding rougher terrain, so 
> if I were to look at a current Atlantis, I'd go for a 53.
> 
> I'm sure there are folks who have more real riding experience spanning all 
> years of the Atlantis, who could better advise.
> 
>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:29:59 PM UTC-4 Dick Combs wrote:
>> Hello all, I have a PBH of 83.5, through the years the Atlantis frame sizes 
>> fitting that PBH have changed. Could anyone tell me what range of years and 
>> frame sizes would be appropriate for a PBH of 83.5, Thanks
> 
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Re: [RBW] Ride report: Shenandoah foothills

[Brian Turner]

Gorgeous ride recap and photos! This Kentucky boy is always envious 
whenever I hear about folks who get to ride in the Shenandoah area. For my 
money, its got to be some of the prettiest countryside I've experienced in 
the US. I need to make an effort to cross the state line and explore riding 
there more often.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Make and model of stock Clem L saddle?

[Messages]

Thank you, Garth!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 15, 2022, at 2:12 AM, Garth  wrote:
> 
> You're best off to contact Riv Yakeen as they may still have some to sell 
> you. I can't tell by your photo which version it may be currently, and/or if 
> it is the same model that had originally came with Clems, which appeared to 
> be a non-retail OEM version of the Tour E-Grip. That's the model Joe referred 
> to, but non-retail OEM versions typically have a more bland looking/unmarked 
> cover as opposed to the retail versions which are nicer looking and branded. 
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Sizing

[Dick Combs]

Thanks, appreciate it

On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:57:06 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm right there with you; 83.5 / 84 PBH, and my saddle height is around 
> 72-73cm. From what I've read and seen, you'd probably be a solid 53 on a 
> Toyo-built Atlantis. I've ridden a Toyo 58, and while I found it 
> comfortable to ride, it was really only because it had skinny tires and 
> swept-back bars. I would love to find a 56 Toyo to try out.
>
> Current models, you'd be a 53 or 55 depending on what tire sizes you'd 
> prefer to run. Personally, I like fatter tires and prefer riding rougher 
> terrain, so if I were to look at a current Atlantis, I'd go for a 53.
>
> I'm sure there are folks who have more real riding experience spanning all 
> years of the Atlantis, who could better advise.
>
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:29:59 PM UTC-4 Dick Combs wrote:
>
>> Hello all, I have a PBH of 83.5, through the years the Atlantis frame 
>> sizes fitting that PBH have changed. Could anyone tell me what range of 
>> years and frame sizes would be appropriate for a PBH of 83.5, Thanks
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis Sizing

[Dick Combs]

Thanks, appreciate it

On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:59:09 PM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:

> 79pbh, 31 inseam, and I own a 2004 Atlantis in size 53cm. 
>
> On Aug 15, 2022, at 09:57, Brian Turner  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I'm right there with you; 83.5 / 84 PBH, and my saddle height is around 
> 72-73cm. From what I've read and seen, you'd probably be a solid 53 on a 
> Toyo-built Atlantis. I've ridden a Toyo 58, and while I found it 
> comfortable to ride, it was really only because it had skinny tires and 
> swept-back bars. I would love to find a 56 Toyo to try out.
>
> Current models, you'd be a 53 or 55 depending on what tire sizes you'd 
> prefer to run. Personally, I like fatter tires and prefer riding rougher 
> terrain, so if I were to look at a current Atlantis, I'd go for a 53.
>
> I'm sure there are folks who have more real riding experience spanning all 
> years of the Atlantis, who could better advise.
>
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:29:59 PM UTC-4 Dick Combs wrote:
>
>> Hello all, I have a PBH of 83.5, through the years the Atlantis frame 
>> sizes fitting that PBH have changed. Could anyone tell me what range of 
>> years and frame sizes would be appropriate for a PBH of 83.5, Thanks
>
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> 
> .
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis Sizing

[luckyturnip]

I agree, I have well over a fist full of seatpost on my 53 with my 79 PBH.

> On Aug 15, 2022, at 11:02, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Here's an original Toyo sizing chart, this will work with Waterford models, 
> too. I'm shorter and would fit a 53, I think you need a 56 in these frames. 
> 
>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 10:40:53 AM UTC-7 Dick Combs wrote:
>> Thanks, appreciate it
>> 
>>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:57:06 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I'm right there with you; 83.5 / 84 PBH, and my saddle height is around 
>>> 72-73cm. From what I've read and seen, you'd probably be a solid 53 on a 
>>> Toyo-built Atlantis. I've ridden a Toyo 58, and while I found it 
>>> comfortable to ride, it was really only because it had skinny tires and 
>>> swept-back bars. I would love to find a 56 Toyo to try out.
>>> 
>>> Current models, you'd be a 53 or 55 depending on what tire sizes you'd 
>>> prefer to run. Personally, I like fatter tires and prefer riding rougher 
>>> terrain, so if I were to look at a current Atlantis, I'd go for a 53.
>>> 
>>> I'm sure there are folks who have more real riding experience spanning all 
>>> years of the Atlantis, who could better advise.
>>> 
 On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:29:59 PM UTC-4 Dick Combs wrote:
 Hello all, I have a PBH of 83.5, through the years the Atlantis frame 
 sizes fitting that PBH have changed. Could anyone tell me what range of 
 years and frame sizes would be appropriate for a PBH of 83.5, Thanks
> 
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Sizing

['Gerard Gunhouse' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Not trying add complexity to the topic. I have a 83 PBH and  ride a 54.5 
(Toyo) Atlantis I purchased new from Grant back in the 2002/3 timeframe. I 
am not sure how long Rivendell actually made that frame size but for me it 
feels like a custom

Cheers

Gunner

On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 2:02:18 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Here's an original Toyo sizing chart, this will work with Waterford 
> models, too. I'm shorter and would fit a 53, I think you need a 56 in these 
> frames. 
>
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 10:40:53 AM UTC-7 Dick Combs wrote:
>
>> Thanks, appreciate it
>>
>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:57:06 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm right there with you; 83.5 / 84 PBH, and my saddle height is around 
>>> 72-73cm. From what I've read and seen, you'd probably be a solid 53 on a 
>>> Toyo-built Atlantis. I've ridden a Toyo 58, and while I found it 
>>> comfortable to ride, it was really only because it had skinny tires and 
>>> swept-back bars. I would love to find a 56 Toyo to try out.
>>>
>>> Current models, you'd be a 53 or 55 depending on what tire sizes you'd 
>>> prefer to run. Personally, I like fatter tires and prefer riding rougher 
>>> terrain, so if I were to look at a current Atlantis, I'd go for a 53.
>>>
>>> I'm sure there are folks who have more real riding experience spanning 
>>> all years of the Atlantis, who could better advise.
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:29:59 PM UTC-4 Dick Combs wrote:
>>>
 Hello all, I have a PBH of 83.5, through the years the Atlantis frame 
 sizes fitting that PBH have changed. Could anyone tell me what range of 
 years and frame sizes would be appropriate for a PBH of 83.5, Thanks
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis Sizing

[luckyturnip]

OP what’s your location? If close to Sacramento you’re welcome to ride my 53.

> On Aug 15, 2022, at 11:46, 'Gerard Gunhouse' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> Not trying add complexity to the topic. I have a 83 PBH and  ride a 54.5 
> (Toyo) Atlantis I purchased new from Grant back in the 2002/3 timeframe. I am 
> not sure how long Rivendell actually made that frame size but for me it feels 
> like a custom
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Gunner
> 
>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 2:02:18 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>> Here's an original Toyo sizing chart, this will work with Waterford models, 
>> too. I'm shorter and would fit a 53, I think you need a 56 in these frames. 
>> 
>>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 10:40:53 AM UTC-7 Dick Combs wrote:
>>> Thanks, appreciate it
>>> 
 On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:57:06 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm right there with you; 83.5 / 84 PBH, and my saddle height is around 
 72-73cm. From what I've read and seen, you'd probably be a solid 53 on a 
 Toyo-built Atlantis. I've ridden a Toyo 58, and while I found it 
 comfortable to ride, it was really only because it had skinny tires and 
 swept-back bars. I would love to find a 56 Toyo to try out.
 
 Current models, you'd be a 53 or 55 depending on what tire sizes you'd 
 prefer to run. Personally, I like fatter tires and prefer riding rougher 
 terrain, so if I were to look at a current Atlantis, I'd go for a 53.
 
 I'm sure there are folks who have more real riding experience spanning all 
 years of the Atlantis, who could better advise.
 
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:29:59 PM UTC-4 Dick Combs wrote:
> Hello all, I have a PBH of 83.5, through the years the Atlantis frame 
> sizes fitting that PBH have changed. Could anyone tell me what range of 
> years and frame sizes would be appropriate for a PBH of 83.5, Thanks
> 
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Sizing

[James]

This is good to see but slightly unfortunate.  There are a couple beautiful 
61 cm Atlantis's for sale but as a 92PBHer, looks like I will indeed need a 
64

On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 3:02:33 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ah, Joe the chart you referenced makes much more sense than the one I was 
> looking at, which was from a 2000 RR (#18), where the Atlantis was first 
> introduced. I'm attaching it here, but probably not good to use as a 
> reference for all Toyo Atlantises because you'll notice there's no mention 
> of PBH anywhere in the chart (nor is it mentioned in the article), and 
> perhaps it was so early in the stage of this model that the sizing hadn't 
> been fully worked out? I dunno.
>
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 2:46:14 PM UTC-4 gpgun...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Not trying add complexity to the topic. I have a 83 PBH and  ride a 54.5 
>> (Toyo) Atlantis I purchased new from Grant back in the 2002/3 timeframe. I 
>> am not sure how long Rivendell actually made that frame size but for me it 
>> feels like a custom
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 2:02:18 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Here's an original Toyo sizing chart, this will work with Waterford 
>>> models, too. I'm shorter and would fit a 53, I think you need a 56 in these 
>>> frames. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 10:40:53 AM UTC-7 Dick Combs wrote:
>>>
 Thanks, appreciate it

 On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:57:06 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I'm right there with you; 83.5 / 84 PBH, and my saddle height is 
> around 72-73cm. From what I've read and seen, you'd probably be a solid 
> 53 
> on a Toyo-built Atlantis. I've ridden a Toyo 58, and while I found it 
> comfortable to ride, it was really only because it had skinny tires and 
> swept-back bars. I would love to find a 56 Toyo to try out.
>
> Current models, you'd be a 53 or 55 depending on what tire sizes you'd 
> prefer to run. Personally, I like fatter tires and prefer riding rougher 
> terrain, so if I were to look at a current Atlantis, I'd go for a 53.
>
> I'm sure there are folks who have more real riding experience spanning 
> all years of the Atlantis, who could better advise.
>
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:29:59 PM UTC-4 Dick Combs wrote:
>
>> Hello all, I have a PBH of 83.5, through the years the Atlantis frame 
>> sizes fitting that PBH have changed. Could anyone tell me what range of 
>> years and frame sizes would be appropriate for a PBH of 83.5, Thanks
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Sizing

[Joe Bernard]

Well it's all quite subjective and there's so many variables involved, 
which is why Grant doesn't like to post geometry charts. According to your 
PBH and saddle height numbers you're kinda on the cusp of 53 and 56cm on 
that early Atlantis page, and you have to consider that this was still deep 
into the drop/moustache bar era. The 56 is pretty dang stretched so you'd 
probably want the 53 unless you're running pullbacks. Simple, right? 😂

On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:02:33 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ah, Joe the chart you referenced makes much more sense than the one I was 
> looking at, which was from a 2000 RR (#18), where the Atlantis was first 
> introduced. I'm attaching it here, but probably not good to use as a 
> reference for all Toyo Atlantises because you'll notice there's no mention 
> of PBH anywhere in the chart (nor is it mentioned in the article), and 
> perhaps it was so early in the stage of this model that the sizing hadn't 
> been fully worked out? I dunno.
>
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 2:46:14 PM UTC-4 gpgun...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Not trying add complexity to the topic. I have a 83 PBH and  ride a 54.5 
>> (Toyo) Atlantis I purchased new from Grant back in the 2002/3 timeframe. I 
>> am not sure how long Rivendell actually made that frame size but for me it 
>> feels like a custom
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 2:02:18 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Here's an original Toyo sizing chart, this will work with Waterford 
>>> models, too. I'm shorter and would fit a 53, I think you need a 56 in these 
>>> frames. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 10:40:53 AM UTC-7 Dick Combs wrote:
>>>
 Thanks, appreciate it

 On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:57:06 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I'm right there with you; 83.5 / 84 PBH, and my saddle height is 
> around 72-73cm. From what I've read and seen, you'd probably be a solid 
> 53 
> on a Toyo-built Atlantis. I've ridden a Toyo 58, and while I found it 
> comfortable to ride, it was really only because it had skinny tires and 
> swept-back bars. I would love to find a 56 Toyo to try out.
>
> Current models, you'd be a 53 or 55 depending on what tire sizes you'd 
> prefer to run. Personally, I like fatter tires and prefer riding rougher 
> terrain, so if I were to look at a current Atlantis, I'd go for a 53.
>
> I'm sure there are folks who have more real riding experience spanning 
> all years of the Atlantis, who could better advise.
>
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:29:59 PM UTC-4 Dick Combs wrote:
>
>> Hello all, I have a PBH of 83.5, through the years the Atlantis frame 
>> sizes fitting that PBH have changed. Could anyone tell me what range of 
>> years and frame sizes would be appropriate for a PBH of 83.5, Thanks
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Sizing

[Joe Bernard]

Ah dangit, I think I said that backwards. 

Shorter version: the original Atlantis was designed with drop/moustaches 
bars in mind, the size you need depends a lot on which types of bars you 
run. Pullbacks like Bosco or Billie? Go big! 

On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:46:45 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Well it's all quite subjective and there's so many variables involved, 
> which is why Grant doesn't like to post geometry charts. According to your 
> PBH and saddle height numbers you're kinda on the cusp of 53 and 56cm on 
> that early Atlantis page, and you have to consider that this was still deep 
> into the drop/moustache bar era. The 56 is pretty dang stretched so you'd 
> probably want the 53 unless you're running pullbacks. Simple, right? 😂
>
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:02:33 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ah, Joe the chart you referenced makes much more sense than the one I was 
>> looking at, which was from a 2000 RR (#18), where the Atlantis was first 
>> introduced. I'm attaching it here, but probably not good to use as a 
>> reference for all Toyo Atlantises because you'll notice there's no mention 
>> of PBH anywhere in the chart (nor is it mentioned in the article), and 
>> perhaps it was so early in the stage of this model that the sizing hadn't 
>> been fully worked out? I dunno.
>>
>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 2:46:14 PM UTC-4 gpgun...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> Not trying add complexity to the topic. I have a 83 PBH and  ride a 54.5 
>>> (Toyo) Atlantis I purchased new from Grant back in the 2002/3 timeframe. I 
>>> am not sure how long Rivendell actually made that frame size but for me it 
>>> feels like a custom
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Gunner
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 2:02:18 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Here's an original Toyo sizing chart, this will work with Waterford 
 models, too. I'm shorter and would fit a 53, I think you need a 56 in 
 these 
 frames. 

 On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 10:40:53 AM UTC-7 Dick Combs wrote:

> Thanks, appreciate it
>
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:57:06 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm right there with you; 83.5 / 84 PBH, and my saddle height is 
>> around 72-73cm. From what I've read and seen, you'd probably be a solid 
>> 53 
>> on a Toyo-built Atlantis. I've ridden a Toyo 58, and while I found it 
>> comfortable to ride, it was really only because it had skinny tires and 
>> swept-back bars. I would love to find a 56 Toyo to try out.
>>
>> Current models, you'd be a 53 or 55 depending on what tire sizes 
>> you'd prefer to run. Personally, I like fatter tires and prefer riding 
>> rougher terrain, so if I were to look at a current Atlantis, I'd go for 
>> a 
>> 53.
>>
>> I'm sure there are folks who have more real riding experience 
>> spanning all years of the Atlantis, who could better advise.
>>
>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:29:59 PM UTC-4 Dick Combs wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all, I have a PBH of 83.5, through the years the Atlantis 
>>> frame sizes fitting that PBH have changed. Could anyone tell me what 
>>> range 
>>> of years and frame sizes would be appropriate for a PBH of 83.5, Thanks
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Sizing

[Brian Turner]

Nah, your point was understood. This explains why when I ride my friend's 
58 Toyo (with the equivalent of Billie bars), it's doable, but just to big 
of a frame size to try to shoehorn into my riding style.
Now this discussion has me pondering a search for a 56 Toyo (last thing I 
need bc I haven't even fully funded my current Riv project!). H

On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 3:52:02 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Ah dangit, I think I said that backwards. 
>
> Shorter version: the original Atlantis was designed with drop/moustaches 
> bars in mind, the size you need depends a lot on which types of bars you 
> run. Pullbacks like Bosco or Billie? Go big! 
>
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:46:45 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Well it's all quite subjective and there's so many variables involved, 
>> which is why Grant doesn't like to post geometry charts. According to your 
>> PBH and saddle height numbers you're kinda on the cusp of 53 and 56cm on 
>> that early Atlantis page, and you have to consider that this was still deep 
>> into the drop/moustache bar era. The 56 is pretty dang stretched so you'd 
>> probably want the 53 unless you're running pullbacks. Simple, right? 😂
>>
>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:02:33 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, Joe the chart you referenced makes much more sense than the one I 
>>> was looking at, which was from a 2000 RR (#18), where the Atlantis was 
>>> first introduced. I'm attaching it here, but probably not good to use as a 
>>> reference for all Toyo Atlantises because you'll notice there's no mention 
>>> of PBH anywhere in the chart (nor is it mentioned in the article), and 
>>> perhaps it was so early in the stage of this model that the sizing hadn't 
>>> been fully worked out? I dunno.
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 2:46:14 PM UTC-4 gpgun...@aol.com wrote:
>>>
 Not trying add complexity to the topic. I have a 83 PBH and  ride a 
 54.5 (Toyo) Atlantis I purchased new from Grant back in the 2002/3 
 timeframe. I am not sure how long Rivendell actually made that frame size 
 but for me it feels like a custom

 Cheers

 Gunner

 On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 2:02:18 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Here's an original Toyo sizing chart, this will work with Waterford 
> models, too. I'm shorter and would fit a 53, I think you need a 56 in 
> these 
> frames. 
>
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 10:40:53 AM UTC-7 Dick Combs wrote:
>
>> Thanks, appreciate it
>>
>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:57:06 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm right there with you; 83.5 / 84 PBH, and my saddle height is 
>>> around 72-73cm. From what I've read and seen, you'd probably be a solid 
>>> 53 
>>> on a Toyo-built Atlantis. I've ridden a Toyo 58, and while I found it 
>>> comfortable to ride, it was really only because it had skinny tires and 
>>> swept-back bars. I would love to find a 56 Toyo to try out.
>>>
>>> Current models, you'd be a 53 or 55 depending on what tire sizes 
>>> you'd prefer to run. Personally, I like fatter tires and prefer riding 
>>> rougher terrain, so if I were to look at a current Atlantis, I'd go for 
>>> a 
>>> 53.
>>>
>>> I'm sure there are folks who have more real riding experience 
>>> spanning all years of the Atlantis, who could better advise.
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:29:59 PM UTC-4 Dick Combs wrote:
>>>
 Hello all, I have a PBH of 83.5, through the years the Atlantis 
 frame sizes fitting that PBH have changed. Could anyone tell me what 
 range 
 of years and frame sizes would be appropriate for a PBH of 83.5, Thanks
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] hunqapillar history

[Jason Zakaras]

I've been searching around to try to find some of the historical info on 
the Hunqs and the various MUSA/MIT variants.  Does anyone know *roughly* 
the release dates of the hunqapillars, batch quantities, and locations of 
production?  I'm mostly interested in the MUSA variant, were there multiple 
paint options from Waterford or just green/cream and what order these were 
produced in comparison to the MIT hunqs...

I appreciate the help linking the history together!

Cheers,

Jason

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Re: [RBW] Ride report: Shenandoah foothills

[Eric Marth]

Thanks for reading!

Patrick: Wow, I really appreciate the kind words. I'll need to check out 
some Craig Montgomery. 

John: Lovely hills and a great pic. 

Brokebike: Thanks! You're right, it's quite nice out there. 
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 1:07:06 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Gorgeous ride recap and photos! This Kentucky boy is always envious 
> whenever I hear about folks who get to ride in the Shenandoah area. For my 
> money, its got to be some of the prettiest countryside I've experienced in 
> the US. I need to make an effort to cross the state line and explore riding 
> there more often.
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[RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[Bill Lindsay]

The OP asked the classic "which Riv if you could only have one?"  It's not 
clear to me whether the OP realizes how little that question has to do with 
bicycles or Rivendells and how much that question has to do with people.  
There have been a good spectrum of replies, not directly because there's a 
broad spectrum of Rivendells, but because there is a broad spectrum of 
people who ride these bicycles.  

One category of people is the "versatility" group, who would choose a 
particular Rivendell model because they can set it up with different 
cockpits, different tires, different rack and luggage configurations and 
make one bike into many bikes over its life.  Another subset of the 
versatility group are those with a single Riv build and it does everything 
they need to do on a bike.  It's a grab and go machine that is down for 
whatever.  Others have a much more surgical approach to their stable, 
having a particular bike optimized for a particular kind of use-case.  For 
those people, many would first choose "one type of cycling" and then choose 
the perfect bike for that one limited use-case.  

I'm one of those many-bikes people, and I have several Rivendells.  As of 
now, I've got a Legolas, Quickbeam, Hillborne, and HubbaHubbaH.  I've also 
had a Bombadil, Hilsen, two Atlantis', two Rosco Bubbes and a Roadeo.  I 
have another Roadeo on the way.  If I had to limit down to one Rivendell, 
and got to fully stock the rest of my stable with other things, maybe I'd 
keep the Quickbeam.  If I had to limit my stable down to a single bicycle 
and it had to be a Rivendell, I'd likely stick with the Hillborne.  If I 
had to limit my cycling down to a single particular use case, and then pick 
an optimized bike for that use case, and it had to be a Rivendell, then I'd 
probably choose my forthcoming Roadeo.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 5:29:44 PM UTC-7 alexander...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm a new group member but long time Riv fan. I recently came the closest 
> I've come to actually buying Rivendell, having only recently reached a 
> point where it has not felt out of reach financially. Anyway, it got me 
> wondering - what is the one model you would choose, current or 
> discontinued, if you could only have one?
>
> Alternately, what is your favorite Rivendell you have owned?
>
> Asking in part because I am wondering where to start myself - I've wanted 
> a Hunqapillar for a long time, and recently have become a bit obsessed with 
> the Quickbeam as well - but every model seems great in its own way. Mostly 
> just curious what you all find yourself riding the most though!
>

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[RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[Roberta]

Jim,

Like you and Emily (three happy Platy riders--mine is 55 Mermaid) at first 
I was taken aback by the prices, but I got to test ride the Chev, 
Appaloosa, Sam and Atlantis all in my size at the shop before I bought in 
2017.  For me, it was that one run around the parking on the Appaloosa that 
that clinched it (I loved the Atlantis, too, but at that time, it was MUSA 
and way out of my budget).  So, how much is it worth to me to have NO NECK 
PAIN (vs wanting to cry after each ride with my previous bike)?

The joy of being comfortable on a bike and to bike more often and longer 
without any pain than I could ever do before is nearly priceless.  I bought 
the bike for exercise, but it's brought me so much joy than I ever thought 
an inanimate object could!   Worth every penny!

Roberta

On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:30:39 PM UTC-4 jim.k...@abbvie.com wrote:

> Alexander, I'm out in the western burbs (Downers Grove) with a big 
> Platypus--if you're interested, give me a shout. I love mine, but my last 
> bike was a Sanwa from the mid 80's--and that's the last time I rode it... 
> so I'm not a good resource for comparisons. 
>
> As Emily said, I was a bit mortified that I spent this much on a bike, but 
> it is a ridable piece of art... and it makes me very happy.
>
> On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 12:39:19 PM UTC-5 alexander...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Karl, I am in Chicago and PBH is 88. If anyone is local and would be 
>> willing to let me try something out I'd be grateful! I also think there is 
>> a shop not to far from me that carries them, I've been meaning to go see 
>> what they have for a while.
>>
>> Rich, I suspect once I get one more will follow! I think the first will 
>> likely be something used, so it may just come down to what pops up in my 
>> size/budget. But who knows, the orange color of the Appaloosa is calling to 
>> me as well, so if they make more that could end up being it as well. That 
>> Hillborne looks super fun, love that color and bag setup. Looks very 
>> capable for Atlanta's hills and potholes - I grew up there and my family is 
>> all still in the city
>>
>> On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 12:24:19 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>>
> Alexander,
>>>
>>> Welcome to the group! Terrific collection of Rivendells on this thread. 
>>>
>>> Not an easy decision to select your first Rivendell. I went through this 
>>> exercise years ago and landed on a Waterford built Atlantis. There is a 
>>> common feeling running through Riv owners that says you can't have just one 
>>> Rivendell. True enough I discovered. A Sam Hillborne followed shortly after 
>>> acquiring the Atlantis. Others followed: Clem H, Roadeo, and a Taiwan built 
>>> Homer. All except the Sam have moved on. Pic shows it in commuter mode; 
>>> it's done everything well for me including brevets. 
>>>
>>> My advice is to take your best shot at what you think works for your 
>>> needs now and dive in. It's likely you won't be disappointed. As a bonus, 
>>> the customer service rendered by Grant and the crew is outstanding! 
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 8:29:44 PM UTC-4 alexander...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>> Hi all,

 I'm a new group member but long time Riv fan. I recently came the 
 closest I've come to actually buying Rivendell, having only recently 
 reached a point where it has not felt out of reach financially. Anyway, it 
 got me wondering - what is the one model you would choose, current or 
 discontinued, if you could only have one?

 Alternately, what is your favorite Rivendell you have owned?

 Asking in part because I am wondering where to start myself - I've 
 wanted a Hunqapillar for a long time, and recently have become a bit 
 obsessed with the Quickbeam as well - but every model seems great in its 
 own way. Mostly just curious what you all find yourself riding the most 
 though!

>>>

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[RBW] Re: 2021 Homer wheelbase numbers

[Roberta]

That's "Ive gotten quiet a few "yikes" with the Platy (and Appaloosa--not 
shown in pics) on bus racks."  I put the bikes on there to test the length 
and feasibility.  I wouldn't put the Platy on a rack if the bus was to 
move!  :)

On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:58:03 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> I didn't realize the Homer got longer wheelbases last year.  I'm sure 
> someone here knows for sure.  I don't keep track too closely.
>
> So, here are my numbers for much smaller sized bikes  that I've ridden or 
> asked owners about, just to give you an idea between the bikes.  They may 
> not be exacting, but you'll get the idea.  BTW, my interest in wheelbase 
> length has to do with me being able to take bike on public transportation 
> bike racks.  I live in the city, so this is important to me.  My two most 
> favorite bikes are the Homer and Platy, so wheelbase didn't correlate to 
> "favorite."
>
> 54.5 Homer   43"
> 51 Appaloosa   45"
> 55 Cheviot 45 1/4" (or 45 1/2")
> 55 Platy 47"
> 52 Clem L  52" (I got to ride Leah's Bicycle Belle Ding Ding)
>
> And, yes, the blue color on Homer is lovely.
>
> I've gotten quite a few "yikes!" with that 
>
> Roberta
>
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 6:04:19 PM UTC-4 Daman Kumar wrote:
>
>> Well, *of course* I didn't actually attach the image. Here it is.
>>
>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 9:28:43 AM UTC-7 Daman Kumar wrote:
>>
>>> Hello, Rivsters,
>>>
>>> Has anyone here measured the wheelbase of their 61.5 cm Homer? I've been 
>>> meaning to replace my 59 cm Clem H with a shorter (emphasis on the *er*) 
>>> wheelbase-d bike for months now, and only just started actively looking at 
>>> options. The wheelbase is the only real complaint I have with the Clem -- 
>>> it is way too long to fit on a bus rack, which diminishes a bike's utility 
>>> for me.
>>>
>>> Given the increase in chainstay length for the 2021 model, I wanted to 
>>> check with the group if anyone has measured, or could measure, the 
>>> wheelbase of their 61.5 cm bike.
>>>
>>> I was originally considering picking up a Sam frame from the next batch, 
>>> but I do want to get an Atlantis a few years down the line as my forever 
>>> bike, and I felt there's a considerable overlap between the two. I intend 
>>> to use the Homer as an S24O/bike-camping, go-fast (when not bringing 
>>> groceries) bike. Randonneuring has interested me for a while, and it just 
>>> seems perfect (although, I don't think *I* would have much trouble using a 
>>> Sam or Atlantis for brevets given I'm not really a fast rider). At under 
>>> 170 lbs. I believe it shouldn't be a problem. I digress.
>>>
>>> So... anybody?
>>>
>>> Clem tax: a picture on a typical PNW winter morning at Lake Sammamish
>>> P.S. How cool would a canti Homer be, eh?
>>>
>>> Daman "who would be a lot more open to a Sam in that *gorgeous* Homer 
>>> blue" Kumar
>>>
>>

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[RBW] "adult cruiser of the Apocalypse" - Susie review

[Brian Turner]

For those interested, Russ put up his review of a Susie. It's a pretty good 
one:

https://youtu.be/dhReJy0pzXw

-Brian

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[RBW] Re: FS- nitto mini front rack, nitto light mount, nitto noodle cockpit, brooks c17

[Adam Moss]

All items sold except the brooks c-17 saddle. Make me an offer if you're 
interested.

I have a nitto big rear rack I'm not using but would only be interested if 
a buyer was local. Thanks all!

On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 6:11:30 PM UTC-7 mitchel...@gmail.com wrote:

> which nitto rear rack?
> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 11:25:10 AM UTC-7 ocea...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Light mount sold.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:44:57 AM UTC-7 Adam Moss wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Please see my CL listing for items. Discount for RBW group members! Make 
>>> me an offer. Local pick up preferred; open to shipping at buyers expense. I 
>>> also have a large nitto rear rack that I haven't yet listed and a couple 
>>> medium shop sacks I can document as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bop/d/berkeley-nitto-rack-cockpit-light-mount/7518885898.html
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Adam
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 2021 Homer wheelbase numbers

[Bones]

61.5cm Homer (most recent batch) ~118.75cm wheelbase. The Homers have 
definitely gotten longer faster than the Sams have. I found considerable 
overlap (for my uses) between my Sam and Appaloosa. I no longer have the 
Sam but I still have an Appaloosa. I now have a Homer as well. It has Paul 
centerpulls and I wouldn't want any other type of brake on this bike. The 
blue on this recent batch is out of this world.

Bones

On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 9:02:29 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> That's "Ive gotten quiet a few "yikes" with the Platy (and Appaloosa--not 
> shown in pics) on bus racks."  I put the bikes on there to test the length 
> and feasibility.  I wouldn't put the Platy on a rack if the bus was to 
> move!  :)
>
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:58:03 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> I didn't realize the Homer got longer wheelbases last year.  I'm sure 
>> someone here knows for sure.  I don't keep track too closely.
>>
>> So, here are my numbers for much smaller sized bikes  that I've ridden or 
>> asked owners about, just to give you an idea between the bikes.  They may 
>> not be exacting, but you'll get the idea.  BTW, my interest in wheelbase 
>> length has to do with me being able to take bike on public transportation 
>> bike racks.  I live in the city, so this is important to me.  My two most 
>> favorite bikes are the Homer and Platy, so wheelbase didn't correlate to 
>> "favorite."
>>
>> 54.5 Homer   43"
>> 51 Appaloosa   45"
>> 55 Cheviot 45 1/4" (or 45 1/2")
>> 55 Platy 47"
>> 52 Clem L  52" (I got to ride Leah's Bicycle Belle Ding Ding)
>>
>> And, yes, the blue color on Homer is lovely.
>>
>> I've gotten quite a few "yikes!" with that 
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 6:04:19 PM UTC-4 Daman Kumar wrote:
>>
>>> Well, *of course* I didn't actually attach the image. Here it is.
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 9:28:43 AM UTC-7 Daman Kumar wrote:
>>>
 Hello, Rivsters,

 Has anyone here measured the wheelbase of their 61.5 cm Homer? I've 
 been meaning to replace my 59 cm Clem H with a shorter (emphasis on the 
 *er*) wheelbase-d bike for months now, and only just started actively 
 looking at options. The wheelbase is the only real complaint I have with 
 the Clem -- it is way too long to fit on a bus rack, which diminishes a 
 bike's utility for me.

 Given the increase in chainstay length for the 2021 model, I wanted to 
 check with the group if anyone has measured, or could measure, the 
 wheelbase of their 61.5 cm bike.

 I was originally considering picking up a Sam frame from the next 
 batch, but I do want to get an Atlantis a few years down the line as my 
 forever bike, and I felt there's a considerable overlap between the two. I 
 intend to use the Homer as an S24O/bike-camping, go-fast (when not 
 bringing 
 groceries) bike. Randonneuring has interested me for a while, and it just 
 seems perfect (although, I don't think *I* would have much trouble using a 
 Sam or Atlantis for brevets given I'm not really a fast rider). At under 
 170 lbs. I believe it shouldn't be a problem. I digress.

 So... anybody?

 Clem tax: a picture on a typical PNW winter morning at Lake Sammamish
 P.S. How cool would a canti Homer be, eh?

 Daman "who would be a lot more open to a Sam in that *gorgeous* Homer 
 blue" Kumar

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Max S]

Patrick, 

This is a deeply and widely explored topic. There are some numbers and 
graphs to look at here:  https://www.wheelscience.com/pages/aero-v-weight 
In my personal experience, deep rims can save me ~10-20 watts, depending on 
how fast and where I ride. So, it can get me from 16.5 to 17.0 mph or to 
17.5 mph average over a 50 mile ride on our local gravel roads, for 
example. 
If those rims are carbon, that nets a 1.3-1.5 kg wheelset that is both 
aerodynamic AND sturdy. If I try to hit that weight mark with aluminum 
rims, I get a less aerodynamic and a flimsier wheelset. 
Speaking for myself, the upshot of running deep dish carbon wheels is that 
they let me give up an hour of sleep the night before to keep up with my 
riding pal... But if you're riding by yourself, and your sleep hygiene is 
good, and you're eating right, and you're not checking the local rankings 
on various "segments" on Strava, it doesn't make much difference. 
Well, no, let me take that back. What I've discovered of late in riding 
gravel roads is that half of my aluminum rims have developed dents, whereas 
the carbon wheels have not. I'm not a particularly heavy rider and I like 
to think I'm a careful rider. But running the same size tires on carbon 
wheels seems to not result in the same number of dents. Now this will 
probably at some point turn into a chipped / delaminated section on that 
carbon rim, but for now, they seem to suffer fewer of those dents. 
Carbon frames and forks do save a significant amount of weight – expect 
about 2-3 lbs saved over a similarly sized steel frame & fork, especially 
from Rivendell. The weight is felt on the hills – about 10 seconds per mile 
of climbing at 4-5% gradients, in my experience, but I could be 
mis-remembering. It's easy to stick two extra 2-liter soda bottles in your 
saddlebag and test the effect quantitatively and qualitatively for yourself.
If the above makes me sound like a carbon apologist, I'll say that all my 
bikes have steel frames and forks, and most have aluminum rims. I just 
prefer those for now, for a variety of reasons. But sometimes I do ride 
carbon wheels and enjoy the looks and the very very slight speed benefits, 
and noticeable durability benefits for some aspects of my riding. 

- Max "who should be working on getting more sleep rather than re-gluing 
his tires" in A2
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:30:36 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Pretty Sotherland, and that's one of the most interesting head badges I've 
> seen. The motto in full is "Sans peur et sans reproche" -- "Without fear 
> and without blame" or generally, "Beyond fear and reproach," the motto of 
> the ideal knight of chivalry.
>
> I'm just asking this (of the group) and not reproaching: Do carbon fork 
> and aero carbon fiber wheels make that much of a difference over a good 
> steel fork and say lightweight tubulars or RH extralight clinchers at less 
> than race speeds? 
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 2:03 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Today was a women’s ride. 29 miles at over 16 mph, and it was great. Such 
>> a nice group of women. Many of them ride TO the ride, and then ride home 
>> again. I come from the opposite end of the city, so I am always stuck 
>> driving. Anyway, I have some photos but first let’s take a minute to 
>> appreciate this lugged, steel bike that belongs to my ride leader. You’ll 
>> see her decals say “Sotherland.” That does happen to be her name, yes, but 
>> it is also the builder’s name. John Sotherland used to build the Rivendell 
>> frames in the Waterford days; he has since opened his own shop. John is a 
>> brother-in-law to my ride leader, and he made her this beautiful pink and 
>> white fade bike in 1988. This is the original paint job. I did not have 
>> time to ask about the fork, but aren’t her chainstays interesting? We were 
>> pulled over on a highway waiting for a rider to fix her flat, so I 
>> hurriedly took these few shots. 
>>
>> Save this one bike, all the rest were carbon.
>> Leah
>>
>
> [image: image.png]
>  
>

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