[RBW] Re: A Hunq

[Matt Beecher]

If someone has to have pink fenders, there is this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/265580783485?hash=item3dd5d9277d:g:RqAAAOSwS0diI8T7

I have no affiliation with the sale, but I remembered spotting them while I 
have been searching for 2 sets of the old beige SKS fenders that are also 
no longer in production.  

Best regards,
Matt in Oswego, IL

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[RBW] Re: FS: 650B Wheelset (Alex/Deore/Novatec)

[Johnny Alien]

If you want to try out some big but very light and supple tires I can throw 
in the Continental RaceKing tires that I had mounted to these wheels. I 
went to Cliffhanger rims with Deore so I could try out tubeless otherwise I 
would have kept these. Very nice wheels that honestly are as light or a 
touch lighter than the Cliffhanger set.
On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 10:26:17 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I am selling the wheelset I currently have on my Clem. The front is 
> essentially new (very very low miles) and is the stock wheel on current 
> Clems which is the Alex rim and silver Novatec hub. The rear wheel is the 
> older Clem wheel with the same Alex rim but a silver Deore hub vs the 
> Novatec. The Deore runs a bit quieter than the Novatec which is why i 
> initially kept this rear wheel. It also have the multi color nipples which 
> I like. Very low miles on this wheel as well but not quite as low as the 
> front (which is under 100).  I will include the cassette which is (like the 
> wheel itself) low miles. 11-36 shimano compatible. $200 shipped anywhere 
> relatively close to the east side of the USA. Maybe a few dollars more if 
> you need it shipped to the other side. 

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[RBW] Re: WTB: affordable 650b wheelset

[Sofie C]

Thank you so much to all of you for your kind offers. Thanks to this list, 
I am soon to be all set with a new to me pair of wheels!

On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 7:12:06 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I have exactly what you need, I think.  
>
> I just sold a barely used Yves Gomez.  I had hoped to move all the parts 
> over to a larger Gomez, but it looks like that's not going to happen.  So, 
> I have the wheelset available.  I bought these new from Riv, and they've 
> seen 200-300 miles of use.  They are Velocity Synergy rims on Deore hubs, 
> functionally identical to the Rivendell $360 budget wheelset.  I'm looking 
> for $225 plus shipping.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 1:55:25 PM UTC-7 sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Casually seeking a used set of wheels, ideally under $400. Would love 
>> something like the Velocity Atlas/Cliffhanger + Shimano Deore hub sets 
>> that's currently sold out on Riv, but I'm open to others. Try me! 
>
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[RBW] Re: For trade: Fabio's Chest, my charcoal doom for your Connecticut khaki

[Eric Marth]

Clarification: I'm actually looking for waxed field tan! Not Connecticut 
khaki. 

Thanks again. 

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 9:45:02 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> Hi all — I have a brand new, never-mounted Fab's Chest in waxed charcoal 
> "doom." And I'm wishing it was "Connecticut" khaki instead. If you have a 
> khaki chest and want a charcoal instead please contact me off list, eric 
> marth at gee mail dot calm. 
>
> Thanks! 
>
> [image: IMG_0070.jpg]
> [image: Screen Shot 2022-04-25 at 9.18.06 AM.png]
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[RBW] WTB: Tosco or Albatross bars

[Zac Terrones]

Anyone have a 25.4 set they'd be willing to part with? 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 650B Wheelset (Alex/Deore/Novatec)

[Johnny Alien]

Sold

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 10:02:12 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

>
> If you want to try out some big but very light and supple tires I can 
> throw in the Continental RaceKing tires that I had mounted to these wheels. 
> I went to Cliffhanger rims with Deore so I could try out tubeless otherwise 
> I would have kept these. Very nice wheels that honestly are as light or a 
> touch lighter than the Cliffhanger set.
> On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 10:26:17 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I am selling the wheelset I currently have on my Clem. The front is 
>> essentially new (very very low miles) and is the stock wheel on current 
>> Clems which is the Alex rim and silver Novatec hub. The rear wheel is the 
>> older Clem wheel with the same Alex rim but a silver Deore hub vs the 
>> Novatec. The Deore runs a bit quieter than the Novatec which is why i 
>> initially kept this rear wheel. It also have the multi color nipples which 
>> I like. Very low miles on this wheel as well but not quite as low as the 
>> front (which is under 100).  I will include the cassette which is (like the 
>> wheel itself) low miles. 11-36 shimano compatible. $200 shipped anywhere 
>> relatively close to the east side of the USA. Maybe a few dollars more if 
>> you need it shipped to the other side. 
>
>

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[RBW] 1400 front derailers

[Bill Lindsay]

On the March 18th email update, Rivendell reported that the container full 
of frames would also contain *1400 Front Derailers*.  They indicated this 
model will work with all their bikes, but they didn't say exactly what it 
is, giving it the nickname "skeleton key".  I wonder how much space 1,400 
front derailers will take up.  

For those who don't know what's special about "Rivendell Front Derailers", 
it's a combination of a few things:

1. Rivendells typically have a bit more BB drop than most other bikes
2. Rivendell builds often have a small-sized "big" chainring.  Like a 42 
big ring, or a 38, or a 34!
3. Rivendells typically have a more laid back Seat Tube Angle than most 
other bikes

the combination of those three things brings the trailing edge of the front 
derailer down close to the chainstays.  So close, that in many cases you 
flat out can't set up the front derailer "correctly".  You have to run it 
floating way above the chainrings.  For a lot of people, this works just 
fine, and some people actually brag about it.  When somebody claims that 
Combination X is a problem, it's fun to retort "I have Combination X and 
it's just fine!"  

Anyhow, 650B bikes have less of this problem (because less BB drop).  
Still, it's something to think about.  I prepared by stocking up on Shimano 
CX70 Front Derailers when they existed, and now I'm super stingy with 
those.  I'm going to give the "skeleton key" FD a look and may buy a few of 
those also.  As an amateur machinist and maker, I've even dabbled with 
making my own Front Derailers.  

Or, you can avoid this altogether and run a 1xDrivetrain!

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: 1400 front derailers

[Conway Bennett]

I find front derailleurs tedious to setup, and I rarely *need* them.  
Advent X is the best solution in my opinion.  But I also live in th second 
flattest state.

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 2:07:06 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> On the March 18th email update, Rivendell reported that the container full 
> of frames would also contain *1400 Front Derailers*.  They indicated this 
> model will work with all their bikes, but they didn't say exactly what it 
> is, giving it the nickname "skeleton key".  I wonder how much space 1,400 
> front derailers will take up.  
>
> For those who don't know what's special about "Rivendell Front Derailers", 
> it's a combination of a few things:
>
> 1. Rivendells typically have a bit more BB drop than most other bikes
> 2. Rivendell builds often have a small-sized "big" chainring.  Like a 42 
> big ring, or a 38, or a 34!
> 3. Rivendells typically have a more laid back Seat Tube Angle than most 
> other bikes
>
> the combination of those three things brings the trailing edge of the 
> front derailer down close to the chainstays.  So close, that in many cases 
> you flat out can't set up the front derailer "correctly".  You have to run 
> it floating way above the chainrings.  For a lot of people, this works just 
> fine, and some people actually brag about it.  When somebody claims that 
> Combination X is a problem, it's fun to retort "I have Combination X and 
> it's just fine!"  
>
> Anyhow, 650B bikes have less of this problem (because less BB drop).  
> Still, it's something to think about.  I prepared by stocking up on Shimano 
> CX70 Front Derailers when they existed, and now I'm super stingy with 
> those.  I'm going to give the "skeleton key" FD a look and may buy a few of 
> those also.  As an amateur machinist and maker, I've even dabbled with 
> making my own Front Derailers.  
>
> Or, you can avoid this altogether and run a 1xDrivetrain!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: A Hunq

[JAS]

Matt, thanks for the pink fender reference!

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:45:36 AM UTC-7 Matt Beecher wrote:

> If someone has to have pink fenders, there is this:
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/265580783485?hash=item3dd5d9277d:g:RqAAAOSwS0diI8T7
>
> I have no affiliation with the sale, but I remembered spotting them while 
> I have been searching for 2 sets of the old beige SKS fenders that are also 
> no longer in production.  
>
> Best regards,
> Matt in Oswego, IL
>
>

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Re: [RBW] 1400 front derailers

[Joe Mullins]

I’m not sure if I missed it but does anyone know what these derailleurs look 
like?

Thanks,

Joe in Los Angeles

> On Apr 25, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Conway Bennett  
> wrote:
> 
> I find front derailleurs tedious to setup, and I rarely need them.  Advent X 
> is the best solution in my opinion.  But I also live in th second flattest 
> state.
> 
> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 2:07:06 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
> On the March 18th email update, Rivendell reported that the container full of 
> frames would also contain 1400 Front Derailers.  They indicated this model 
> will work with all their bikes, but they didn't say exactly what it is, 
> giving it the nickname "skeleton key".  I wonder how much space 1,400 front 
> derailers will take up.  
> 
> For those who don't know what's special about "Rivendell Front Derailers", 
> it's a combination of a few things:
> 
> 1. Rivendells typically have a bit more BB drop than most other bikes
> 2. Rivendell builds often have a small-sized "big" chainring.  Like a 42 big 
> ring, or a 38, or a 34!
> 3. Rivendells typically have a more laid back Seat Tube Angle than most other 
> bikes
> 
> the combination of those three things brings the trailing edge of the front 
> derailer down close to the chainstays.  So close, that in many cases you flat 
> out can't set up the front derailer "correctly".  You have to run it floating 
> way above the chainrings.  For a lot of people, this works just fine, and 
> some people actually brag about it.  When somebody claims that Combination X 
> is a problem, it's fun to retort "I have Combination X and it's just fine!"  
> 
> Anyhow, 650B bikes have less of this problem (because less BB drop).  Still, 
> it's something to think about.  I prepared by stocking up on Shimano CX70 
> Front Derailers when they existed, and now I'm super stingy with those.  I'm 
> going to give the "skeleton key" FD a look and may buy a few of those also.  
> As an amateur machinist and maker, I've even dabbled with making my own Front 
> Derailers.  
> 
> Or, you can avoid this altogether and run a 1xDrivetrain!
> 
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] 1400 front derailers

[Bill Lindsay]

I have no idea what the skeleton key front derailer looks like.  For 
whatever that's worth.  

BL in EC

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 12:24:43 PM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:

> I’m not sure if I missed it but does anyone know what these derailleurs 
> look like?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe in Los Angeles
>
> On Apr 25, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Conway Bennett  
> wrote:
>
> I find front derailleurs tedious to setup, and I rarely *need* them.  
> Advent X is the best solution in my opinion.  But I also live in th second 
> flattest state.
>
> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 2:07:06 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> On the March 18th email update, Rivendell reported that the container 
>> full of frames would also contain *1400 Front Derailers*.  They 
>> indicated this model will work with all their bikes, but they didn't say 
>> exactly what it is, giving it the nickname "skeleton key".  I wonder how 
>> much space 1,400 front derailers will take up.  
>>
>> For those who don't know what's special about "Rivendell Front 
>> Derailers", it's a combination of a few things:
>>
>> 1. Rivendells typically have a bit more BB drop than most other bikes
>> 2. Rivendell builds often have a small-sized "big" chainring.  Like a 42 
>> big ring, or a 38, or a 34!
>> 3. Rivendells typically have a more laid back Seat Tube Angle than most 
>> other bikes
>>
>> the combination of those three things brings the trailing edge of the 
>> front derailer down close to the chainstays.  So close, that in many cases 
>> you flat out can't set up the front derailer "correctly".  You have to run 
>> it floating way above the chainrings.  For a lot of people, this works just 
>> fine, and some people actually brag about it.  When somebody claims that 
>> Combination X is a problem, it's fun to retort "I have Combination X and 
>> it's just fine!"  
>>
>> Anyhow, 650B bikes have less of this problem (because less BB drop).  
>> Still, it's something to think about.  I prepared by stocking up on Shimano 
>> CX70 Front Derailers when they existed, and now I'm super stingy with 
>> those.  I'm going to give the "skeleton key" FD a look and may buy a few of 
>> those also.  As an amateur machinist and maker, I've even dabbled with 
>> making my own Front Derailers.  
>>
>> Or, you can avoid this altogether and run a 1xDrivetrain!
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>
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[RBW] Re: Cherry Blossoms, Apricot Blossoms, Peach Blossoms

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Beautiful photos, Takashi -- I love the cherry trees in the mountains! 
Japan is definitely on our list of places to visit!

Bob E
Cranford, New Jersey

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Re: [RBW] 1400 front derailers

[Conway Bennett]

It's probably an actual skeleton key similar to the stick shift method they
used to espouse.


Fair winds,

Captain Conway Bennett
239.877.4119

On Mon, Apr 25, 2022, 2:24 PM Joe Mullins  wrote:

> I’m not sure if I missed it but does anyone know what these derailleurs
> look like?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe in Los Angeles
>
> On Apr 25, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Conway Bennett <
> captainconwaybenn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I find front derailleurs tedious to setup, and I rarely *need* them.
> Advent X is the best solution in my opinion.  But I also live in th second
> flattest state.
>
> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 2:07:06 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> On the March 18th email update, Rivendell reported that the container
>> full of frames would also contain *1400 Front Derailers*.  They
>> indicated this model will work with all their bikes, but they didn't say
>> exactly what it is, giving it the nickname "skeleton key".  I wonder how
>> much space 1,400 front derailers will take up.
>>
>> For those who don't know what's special about "Rivendell Front
>> Derailers", it's a combination of a few things:
>>
>> 1. Rivendells typically have a bit more BB drop than most other bikes
>> 2. Rivendell builds often have a small-sized "big" chainring.  Like a 42
>> big ring, or a 38, or a 34!
>> 3. Rivendells typically have a more laid back Seat Tube Angle than most
>> other bikes
>>
>> the combination of those three things brings the trailing edge of the
>> front derailer down close to the chainstays.  So close, that in many cases
>> you flat out can't set up the front derailer "correctly".  You have to run
>> it floating way above the chainrings.  For a lot of people, this works just
>> fine, and some people actually brag about it.  When somebody claims that
>> Combination X is a problem, it's fun to retort "I have Combination X and
>> it's just fine!"
>>
>> Anyhow, 650B bikes have less of this problem (because less BB drop).
>> Still, it's something to think about.  I prepared by stocking up on Shimano
>> CX70 Front Derailers when they existed, and now I'm super stingy with
>> those.  I'm going to give the "skeleton key" FD a look and may buy a few of
>> those also.  As an amateur machinist and maker, I've even dabbled with
>> making my own Front Derailers.
>>
>> Or, you can avoid this altogether and run a 1xDrivetrain!
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>
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Re: [RBW] 1400 front derailers

[Bill Lindsay]

I would bet a dollar that it is an actual cable-actuated front derailer.  
:-)  Sticks grow on trees.  Front derailers do not.  

BL in EC
On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 12:53:31 PM UTC-7 captaincon...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> It's probably an actual skeleton key similar to the stick shift method 
> they used to espouse.
>
>
> Fair winds,
>
> Captain Conway Bennett
> 239.877.4119 <(239)%20877-4119>
>
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2022, 2:24 PM Joe Mullins  wrote:
>
>> I’m not sure if I missed it but does anyone know what these derailleurs 
>> look like?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Joe in Los Angeles
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Conway Bennett  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I find front derailleurs tedious to setup, and I rarely *need* them.  
>> Advent X is the best solution in my opinion.  But I also live in th second 
>> flattest state.
>>
>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 2:07:06 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> On the March 18th email update, Rivendell reported that the container 
>>> full of frames would also contain *1400 Front Derailers*.  They 
>>> indicated this model will work with all their bikes, but they didn't say 
>>> exactly what it is, giving it the nickname "skeleton key".  I wonder how 
>>> much space 1,400 front derailers will take up.  
>>>
>>> For those who don't know what's special about "Rivendell Front 
>>> Derailers", it's a combination of a few things:
>>>
>>> 1. Rivendells typically have a bit more BB drop than most other bikes
>>> 2. Rivendell builds often have a small-sized "big" chainring.  Like a 42 
>>> big ring, or a 38, or a 34!
>>> 3. Rivendells typically have a more laid back Seat Tube Angle than most 
>>> other bikes
>>>
>>> the combination of those three things brings the trailing edge of the 
>>> front derailer down close to the chainstays.  So close, that in many cases 
>>> you flat out can't set up the front derailer "correctly".  You have to run 
>>> it floating way above the chainrings.  For a lot of people, this works just 
>>> fine, and some people actually brag about it.  When somebody claims that 
>>> Combination X is a problem, it's fun to retort "I have Combination X and 
>>> it's just fine!"  
>>>
>>> Anyhow, 650B bikes have less of this problem (because less BB drop).  
>>> Still, it's something to think about.  I prepared by stocking up on Shimano 
>>> CX70 Front Derailers when they existed, and now I'm super stingy with 
>>> those.  I'm going to give the "skeleton key" FD a look and may buy a few of 
>>> those also.  As an amateur machinist and maker, I've even dabbled with 
>>> making my own Front Derailers.  
>>>
>>> Or, you can avoid this altogether and run a 1xDrivetrain!
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
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[RBW] It might be even nicer on a Rivendell: 1975 news feature film on bicycle postman in rural Ireland

[Patrick Moore]

Cribbed from the CR list but I'm sure will be appreciated here.

https://youtu.be/5k3SY_S7O_M

The only words of the subject I could understand were "No" and "It's bad."
Perhaps he was speaking Gaelic.

27 miles (besides the 3 miles from and back to home) up and down hill in
all weathers on a 50 lb, over geared single speed at  age 65. But simple
life (he's a small dairy farmer too) in bucolic if wet country and
apparently very little motor traffic.

A fellow classmate in college about the time this film was made told me of
visiting her grandmother in rural Ireland a few years before, with the
statutory whitewashed, thatched cottage, peat fire, and usual crowd of
untrammeled pigs.

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Re: [RBW] 1400 front derailers

[Garth]

The reference of a "skeleton key" derailleur is a figure of speech, dontcha 
know ?  
You betcha it is .
Referring to "one derailleur suitable for everything" . like a master 
key to open any lock, so to speak. The "everything" in this case refers to 
the bikes Riv designs, contracts, and configures for customers. 

I emailed Grant a while ago about FD's and he mentioned the incoming FD was 
a model that they had sold before, that took 48-50 tooth rings. So if 
anyone has a good memory or archive it would reveal itself. So no, it won't 
be some odd doohickey to move the chain around !

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:53:31 PM UTC-4 captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:

> It's probably an actual skeleton key similar to the stick shift method 
> they used to espouse.
>
>
> Fair winds,
>
> Captain Conway Bennett
> 239.877.4119 <(239)%20877-4119>
>
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2022, 2:24 PM Joe Mullins  wrote:
>
>> I’m not sure if I missed it but does anyone know what these derailleurs 
>> look like?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Joe in Los Angeles
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Conway Bennett  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I find front derailleurs tedious to setup, and I rarely *need* them.  
>> Advent X is the best solution in my opinion.  But I also live in th second 
>> flattest state.
>>
>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 2:07:06 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> On the March 18th email update, Rivendell reported that the container 
>>> full of frames would also contain *1400 Front Derailers*.  They 
>>> indicated this model will work with all their bikes, but they didn't say 
>>> exactly what it is, giving it the nickname "skeleton key".  I wonder how 
>>> much space 1,400 front derailers will take up.  
>>>
>>> For those who don't know what's special about "Rivendell Front 
>>> Derailers", it's a combination of a few things:
>>>
>>> 1. Rivendells typically have a bit more BB drop than most other bikes
>>> 2. Rivendell builds often have a small-sized "big" chainring.  Like a 42 
>>> big ring, or a 38, or a 34!
>>> 3. Rivendells typically have a more laid back Seat Tube Angle than most 
>>> other bikes
>>>
>>> the combination of those three things brings the trailing edge of the 
>>> front derailer down close to the chainstays.  So close, that in many cases 
>>> you flat out can't set up the front derailer "correctly".  You have to run 
>>> it floating way above the chainrings.  For a lot of people, this works just 
>>> fine, and some people actually brag about it.  When somebody claims that 
>>> Combination X is a problem, it's fun to retort "I have Combination X and 
>>> it's just fine!"  
>>>
>>> Anyhow, 650B bikes have less of this problem (because less BB drop).  
>>> Still, it's something to think about.  I prepared by stocking up on Shimano 
>>> CX70 Front Derailers when they existed, and now I'm super stingy with 
>>> those.  I'm going to give the "skeleton key" FD a look and may buy a few of 
>>> those also.  As an amateur machinist and maker, I've even dabbled with 
>>> making my own Front Derailers.  
>>>
>>> Or, you can avoid this altogether and run a 1xDrivetrain!
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] 1400 front derailers

[E. Ricky Creek]

It is probably some version of the IRD sub compact. 

My last apartment had a side door that took a skeleton key. I had a box of 
old keys and one worked on that door. I found another similar key and filed 
it down to work, too. So that became the door we always used, because why 
wouldn't I? This was just a few years ago. 

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:53:04 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> The reference of a "skeleton key" derailleur is a figure of speech, 
> dontcha know ?  
> You betcha it is .
> Referring to "one derailleur suitable for everything" . like a master 
> key to open any lock, so to speak. The "everything" in this case refers to 
> the bikes Riv designs, contracts, and configures for customers. 
>
> I emailed Grant a while ago about FD's and he mentioned the incoming FD 
> was a model that they had sold before, that took 48-50 tooth rings. So if 
> anyone has a good memory or archive it would reveal itself. So no, it won't 
> be some odd doohickey to move the chain around !
>
> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:53:31 PM UTC-4 captaincon...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> It's probably an actual skeleton key similar to the stick shift method 
>> they used to espouse.
>>
>>
>> Fair winds,
>>
>> Captain Conway Bennett
>> 239.877.4119 <(239)%20877-4119>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2022, 2:24 PM Joe Mullins  wrote:
>>
>>> I’m not sure if I missed it but does anyone know what these derailleurs 
>>> look like?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Joe in Los Angeles
>>>
>>> On Apr 25, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Conway Bennett  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I find front derailleurs tedious to setup, and I rarely *need* them.  
>>> Advent X is the best solution in my opinion.  But I also live in th second 
>>> flattest state.
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 2:07:06 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 On the March 18th email update, Rivendell reported that the container 
 full of frames would also contain *1400 Front Derailers*.  They 
 indicated this model will work with all their bikes, but they didn't say 
 exactly what it is, giving it the nickname "skeleton key".  I wonder how 
 much space 1,400 front derailers will take up.  

 For those who don't know what's special about "Rivendell Front 
 Derailers", it's a combination of a few things:

 1. Rivendells typically have a bit more BB drop than most other bikes
 2. Rivendell builds often have a small-sized "big" chainring.  Like a 
 42 big ring, or a 38, or a 34!
 3. Rivendells typically have a more laid back Seat Tube Angle than most 
 other bikes

 the combination of those three things brings the trailing edge of the 
 front derailer down close to the chainstays.  So close, that in many cases 
 you flat out can't set up the front derailer "correctly".  You have to run 
 it floating way above the chainrings.  For a lot of people, this works 
 just 
 fine, and some people actually brag about it.  When somebody claims that 
 Combination X is a problem, it's fun to retort "I have Combination X and 
 it's just fine!"  

 Anyhow, 650B bikes have less of this problem (because less BB drop).  
 Still, it's something to think about.  I prepared by stocking up on 
 Shimano 
 CX70 Front Derailers when they existed, and now I'm super stingy with 
 those.  I'm going to give the "skeleton key" FD a look and may buy a few 
 of 
 those also.  As an amateur machinist and maker, I've even dabbled with 
 making my own Front Derailers.  

 Or, you can avoid this altogether and run a 1xDrivetrain!

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] 1400 front derailers

[TP H]

Made by MicroShift but no model 
mention: https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/grant-petersens-blog/early-april

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:04:44 PM UTC-7 E. Ricky Creek wrote:

>
> It is probably some version of the IRD sub compact. 
>
> My last apartment had a side door that took a skeleton key. I had a box of 
> old keys and one worked on that door. I found another similar key and filed 
> it down to work, too. So that became the door we always used, because why 
> wouldn't I? This was just a few years ago. 
>
> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:53:04 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> The reference of a "skeleton key" derailleur is a figure of speech, 
>> dontcha know ?  
>> You betcha it is .
>> Referring to "one derailleur suitable for everything" . like a master 
>> key to open any lock, so to speak. The "everything" in this case refers to 
>> the bikes Riv designs, contracts, and configures for customers. 
>>
>> I emailed Grant a while ago about FD's and he mentioned the incoming FD 
>> was a model that they had sold before, that took 48-50 tooth rings. So if 
>> anyone has a good memory or archive it would reveal itself. So no, it won't 
>> be some odd doohickey to move the chain around !
>>
>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:53:31 PM UTC-4 captaincon...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's probably an actual skeleton key similar to the stick shift method 
>>> they used to espouse.
>>>
>>>
>>> Fair winds,
>>>
>>> Captain Conway Bennett
>>> 239.877.4119 <(239)%20877-4119>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2022, 2:24 PM Joe Mullins  wrote:
>>>
 I’m not sure if I missed it but does anyone know what these derailleurs 
 look like?

 Thanks,

 Joe in Los Angeles

 On Apr 25, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Conway Bennett  
 wrote:

 I find front derailleurs tedious to setup, and I rarely *need* them.  
 Advent X is the best solution in my opinion.  But I also live in th second 
 flattest state.

 On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 2:07:06 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> On the March 18th email update, Rivendell reported that the container 
> full of frames would also contain *1400 Front Derailers*.  They 
> indicated this model will work with all their bikes, but they didn't say 
> exactly what it is, giving it the nickname "skeleton key".  I wonder how 
> much space 1,400 front derailers will take up.  
>
> For those who don't know what's special about "Rivendell Front 
> Derailers", it's a combination of a few things:
>
> 1. Rivendells typically have a bit more BB drop than most other bikes
> 2. Rivendell builds often have a small-sized "big" chainring.  Like a 
> 42 big ring, or a 38, or a 34!
> 3. Rivendells typically have a more laid back Seat Tube Angle than 
> most other bikes
>
> the combination of those three things brings the trailing edge of the 
> front derailer down close to the chainstays.  So close, that in many 
> cases 
> you flat out can't set up the front derailer "correctly".  You have to 
> run 
> it floating way above the chainrings.  For a lot of people, this works 
> just 
> fine, and some people actually brag about it.  When somebody claims that 
> Combination X is a problem, it's fun to retort "I have Combination X and 
> it's just fine!"  
>
> Anyhow, 650B bikes have less of this problem (because less BB drop).  
> Still, it's something to think about.  I prepared by stocking up on 
> Shimano 
> CX70 Front Derailers when they existed, and now I'm super stingy with 
> those.  I'm going to give the "skeleton key" FD a look and may buy a few 
> of 
> those also.  As an amateur machinist and maker, I've even dabbled with 
> making my own Front Derailers.  
>
> Or, you can avoid this altogether and run a 1xDrivetrain!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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Re: [RBW] 1400 front derailers

[Johnny Alien]

Yeah the IRD Alpina is a solid bet.

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 7:04:44 PM UTC-4 E. Ricky Creek wrote:

>
> It is probably some version of the IRD sub compact. 
>
> My last apartment had a side door that took a skeleton key. I had a box of 
> old keys and one worked on that door. I found another similar key and filed 
> it down to work, too. So that became the door we always used, because why 
> wouldn't I? This was just a few years ago. 
>
> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:53:04 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> The reference of a "skeleton key" derailleur is a figure of speech, 
>> dontcha know ?  
>> You betcha it is .
>> Referring to "one derailleur suitable for everything" . like a master 
>> key to open any lock, so to speak. The "everything" in this case refers to 
>> the bikes Riv designs, contracts, and configures for customers. 
>>
>> I emailed Grant a while ago about FD's and he mentioned the incoming FD 
>> was a model that they had sold before, that took 48-50 tooth rings. So if 
>> anyone has a good memory or archive it would reveal itself. So no, it won't 
>> be some odd doohickey to move the chain around !
>>
>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:53:31 PM UTC-4 captaincon...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's probably an actual skeleton key similar to the stick shift method 
>>> they used to espouse.
>>>
>>>
>>> Fair winds,
>>>
>>> Captain Conway Bennett
>>> 239.877.4119 <(239)%20877-4119>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2022, 2:24 PM Joe Mullins  wrote:
>>>
 I’m not sure if I missed it but does anyone know what these derailleurs 
 look like?

 Thanks,

 Joe in Los Angeles

 On Apr 25, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Conway Bennett  
 wrote:

 I find front derailleurs tedious to setup, and I rarely *need* them.  
 Advent X is the best solution in my opinion.  But I also live in th second 
 flattest state.

 On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 2:07:06 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> On the March 18th email update, Rivendell reported that the container 
> full of frames would also contain *1400 Front Derailers*.  They 
> indicated this model will work with all their bikes, but they didn't say 
> exactly what it is, giving it the nickname "skeleton key".  I wonder how 
> much space 1,400 front derailers will take up.  
>
> For those who don't know what's special about "Rivendell Front 
> Derailers", it's a combination of a few things:
>
> 1. Rivendells typically have a bit more BB drop than most other bikes
> 2. Rivendell builds often have a small-sized "big" chainring.  Like a 
> 42 big ring, or a 38, or a 34!
> 3. Rivendells typically have a more laid back Seat Tube Angle than 
> most other bikes
>
> the combination of those three things brings the trailing edge of the 
> front derailer down close to the chainstays.  So close, that in many 
> cases 
> you flat out can't set up the front derailer "correctly".  You have to 
> run 
> it floating way above the chainrings.  For a lot of people, this works 
> just 
> fine, and some people actually brag about it.  When somebody claims that 
> Combination X is a problem, it's fun to retort "I have Combination X and 
> it's just fine!"  
>
> Anyhow, 650B bikes have less of this problem (because less BB drop).  
> Still, it's something to think about.  I prepared by stocking up on 
> Shimano 
> CX70 Front Derailers when they existed, and now I'm super stingy with 
> those.  I'm going to give the "skeleton key" FD a look and may buy a few 
> of 
> those also.  As an amateur machinist and maker, I've even dabbled with 
> making my own Front Derailers.  
>
> Or, you can avoid this altogether and run a 1xDrivetrain!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Bleriot

[Benjamin Park]

Thanks! Actually I'm lowering the price to $2100. Any takers?

On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 7:11:45 PM UTC-4 eddietheflay wrote:

> such a such a pretty bike. it and orange Rambouillets will live forever.
>
> On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 5:56:18 AM UTC-7 benjami...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> still available!
>>
>> On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 11:33:38 AM UTC-4 Benjamin Park wrote:
>>
>>> bump and lowering price to $2300. Thanks for looking! Ben
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 4:59:41 PM UTC-5 Benjamin Park wrote:
>>>
 one more thing to note, check the geo specs. While this is a 61cm, the 
 TT is relatively short, at 59cm, so it fits more like a 59. At least for 
 me.

 On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 4:24:17 PM UTC-5 Benjamin Park wrote:

> More pictures
> [image: IMG_1369.jpeg][image: IMG_1367.jpeg][image: IMG_1366.jpeg]
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Benjamin Park]

This is my Bleriot. Lowering the price to $2100 if anyone is interested! Ben

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 4:14:30 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Here's a pic of the Bleriot
>
> [image: p5pb22265216.jpg]
> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 4:13:27 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Bleriot
>> 61cm
>> $2,300
>> Atlanta, GA
>> https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/3292039/
>> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 5:38:11 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I live very close to Lancaster. Nice to see some other local Rivendell 
>>> fans!
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 4:20:34 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 Roberta,
 This is a beautiful bike! And, I think worth the price considering the 
 build.
 Doug

 On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 4:14 PM Roberta  wrote:

> This is my ex-bike, that I wax poetic about every once in awhile on 
> the thread.It's a great ride and well loved by me and Kurt's son.
>
> Roberta
>
> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 10:56:26 AM UTC-4 Kurt Henry wrote:
>
>> This one is mine.  I figured I'd go ahead and put it in the thread.  
>> I hope that's not a foul!  I have it on Craigslist as $3,000, but $2,800 
>> for in the family.  I'm happy to drop at a local shop to have them pack 
>> it 
>> if you're out of town.  But if you're in the region around Lancaster, PA 
>> (Baltimore/DC, Philly, Pittsburgh, up into NY state, etc.) drop me a 
>> line.  
>> The previous owner was kind enough to meet me halfway between here and 
>> Philly when I bought it, so I'd like to extend the same courtesy.  It's 
>> been a great bike for my son, but he grew somewhere in the neighborhood 
>> of 
>> 4 inches in the last year, mostly in the past few months.  He's now 
>> taller 
>> than me (gulp...) so time to size up!
>> 2016 Rivendell Joe Appaloosa 51cm - bicycles - by owner - bike sale 
>> (craigslist.org) 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] WTB - Clem L 45

[Justin Lai]

I'm selling a 45 Clem H if any of you might be interested: 

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7475841631.html

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 10:09:48 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I bought the one in Midland, Michigan. FYI.
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> On Jan 18, 2022, at 12:54 PM, Pancake  wrote:
>
> These 45cm Clem L models are pretty rare (in my time searching) as they 
> fit the smallest possible riv riders. 
>
> If someone finds a second 45cm Clem L please let me know too. 
> Abe
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> On Tuesday, 18 January 2022 at 09:43:54 UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
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>> Clem Smith Jr. H 
>> 52cm 
>> Walled Lake, MI 
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/175066323016 
>>
>>
>> Clem Smith Jr. 
>> 52cm 
>> Athens, GA 
>>
>> https://athensga.craigslist.org/bik/d/athens-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7430832354.html
>>  
>>
>>
>> Clem Smith L 
>> (contact seller for size) 
>> MIdland, MI 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/659143348411672 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 18, 2022, at 5:28 AM, Richard Rose  wrote: 
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>> > 8:13 am & we have the post of the day. No contest. Must be a great Dad 
>> & obviously a great son. I hope you find that Clem. 
>> > 
>> > Sent from my iPhone 
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>> >> On Jan 18, 2022, at 8:13 AM, James Valiensi  
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>> >> Hi, 
>> >> Looking for a small Clem for my 82 year old dad. 
>> >> Please let me know. 
>> >> Thanks 
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[RBW] Platypus/Clem sizing

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have a 52 Clem L that feels a bit large for me and am trying to decide 
whether to replace it with a 50 Platypus or a 45 Clem L (If anyone has a 50 
Cheviot frame in silver or blue I would be interested).  Does anyone know 
if there's much of a difference between the two sizes?  The 52 Clementine I 
test rode felt much different than the one I have now.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Cazadero 42s

[saintruggler]

PM sent yesterday.

On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 8:01:49 AM UTC-7 Adam wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> FS: 42mm Cazaderos. Maybe 150 miles on these before I realized I could fit 
> something bigger. Maybe a little dirt, but otherwise very good condition.
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> $60 + shipping
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[RBW] Re: Platypus/Clem sizing

[Joe Bernard]

This is strictly hearsay because the geometry charts are gone and my memory 
skills are questionable but I'll start here: the current Clem L is crazy 
longer in the effective toptube than the originals. I believe the 52 is now 
65cm ETT and the 45 is 62cm ETT. If I recall correctly - maybe Leah can 
help us here - the 55 Platypus is about 62cm ETT, matching the 45 Clem L. I 
have it this way in my head because I have a 79PBH and concluded I would 
ride a 45 Clem (current) and 55 Platy. 

Conclusion? Don't listen to me, call Riv! 

Joe Bernard

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 7:38:22 PM UTC-7 Keith Swanson wrote:

> I have a 52 Clem L that feels a bit large for me and am trying to decide 
> whether to replace it with a 50 Platypus or a 45 Clem L (If anyone has a 50 
> Cheviot frame in silver or blue I would be interested).  Does anyone know 
> if there's much of a difference between the two sizes?  The 52 Clementine I 
> test rode felt much different than the one I have now.

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