[RBW] Re: going down the Brooks rabbit hole...

[Garth]

If that doesn't work out and you feel adventurous, try a Selle Royal Lookin 
Womens saddle, the Moderate is 198mm wide, if not there is the relaxed 
version about 228mm. These have a sweet spot everywhere, so there's no 
comparing them with Brooks or many other types. Their foam/gel stuff has to 
be experienced to be believed . it's very dense, giving, supportive yet 
never hard and certainly impossible to bottom out on, it's goldilocks,  
m just right, for ever and ever. 

https://www.selleroyal.com/en/look-moderate
https://www.selleroyal.com/en/look-relaxed
On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 6:46:54 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Since getting my Clem in January I've logged nearly 600 miles. I mention 
> this because of all the bikes I have owned I have never looked forward to 
> each ride the way I do with this one. The bike however has revealed a chink 
> in the armor of my much liked SQ labs saddle. It just is not wide enough to 
> support my sit bones in my very upright position. It is great up to a 
> little over 2 hours but starts to reveal itself after that. So, I took 
> advantage of the opportunity to pick up a very gently used B67 too close to 
> home to turn down. Here's hoping this saddle will provide the support my 
> current one lacks without raising any ugly issues with unwanted pressures 
> the SQ was so good at eliminating.

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[RBW] Re: FS - Bags: Sackville TrunkSack & Makeshifter Outback Saddlebag

[Huston]

Both bags are now *SOLD*.  Thanks for your interest.

Huston
Lexington, KY

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 4:01:44 PM UTC-4 Huston wrote:

> Update:
>
> 1. Rivendell Sackville TrunkSack - Small, olive.  I bought this bag from a 
> fellow list-member with the intention to change a Wald/bag setup for the 
> smaller TrunkSack, but I've decided to stick with the basket bag.  $80 
> (shipping included to lower 48).
>
> 2. Makeshifter Outback Saddlebag.  It's hard to let this go, but this bag 
> has simply not been used enough.  It's beautiful.  Includes Voile straps 
> and carrying strap.  I think the Outbacks have been retired.  Tan canvas 
> with olive webbing and pink interior.  You won't lose anything in this 
> bag.  *SOLD.*
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 11:55:11 AM UTC-4 Huston wrote:
>
>> Listed specs on Outback saddlebag: 13" wide, 7" deep, 8" tall.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Huston
>>
>> On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 11:50:20 AM UTC-4 Friend wrote:
>>
>>> How big is the Makeshifter bag?  Do you happen to have a product-page 
>>> link?
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 9:55:26 AM UTC-4 Huston wrote:
>>>
 Greetings,

 Both of these bags are technically used but remain in like new 
 condition:

 1. Rivendell Sackville TrunkSack - Small, olive.  I bought this bag 
 from a fellow list-member with the intention to change a Wald/bag setup 
 for 
 the smaller TrunkSack, but I've decided to stick with the basket bag.  $80 
 (shipping included to lower 48).

 2. Makeshifter Outback Saddlebag.  It's hard to let this go, but this 
 bag has simply not been used enough.  It's beautiful.  Includes Voile 
 straps and carrying strap.  I think the Outbacks have been retired.  Tan 
 canvas with olive webbing and pink interior.  You won't lose anything in 
 this bag.  $255 (shipping included to lower 48).

 Pics are available here 
 .
   
 Please send a PM if interested.

 Thanks,
 Huston
 Lexington, KY

>>>

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[RBW] Re: going down the Brooks rabbit hole...

['Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch]

How wide is the SQ saddle? I have very narrow sitbones and can ride a B17 
at 50-60 degrees so not totally upright.  There are some easy ways to 
measure your sitbone width.  
On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:51:23 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> If that doesn't work out and you feel adventurous, try a Selle Royal 
> Lookin Womens saddle, the Moderate is 198mm wide, if not there is the 
> relaxed version about 228mm. These have a sweet spot everywhere, so there's 
> no comparing them with Brooks or many other types. Their foam/gel stuff has 
> to be experienced to be believed . it's very dense, giving, supportive 
> yet never hard and certainly impossible to bottom out on, it's goldilocks,  
> m just right, for ever and ever. 
>
> https://www.selleroyal.com/en/look-moderate
> https://www.selleroyal.com/en/look-relaxed
> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 6:46:54 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Since getting my Clem in January I've logged nearly 600 miles. I mention 
>> this because of all the bikes I have owned I have never looked forward to 
>> each ride the way I do with this one. The bike however has revealed a chink 
>> in the armor of my much liked SQ labs saddle. It just is not wide enough to 
>> support my sit bones in my very upright position. It is great up to a 
>> little over 2 hours but starts to reveal itself after that. So, I took 
>> advantage of the opportunity to pick up a very gently used B67 too close to 
>> home to turn down. Here's hoping this saddle will provide the support my 
>> current one lacks without raising any ugly issues with unwanted pressures 
>> the SQ was so good at eliminating.
>
>

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[RBW] Hub sounds in Kraftwerk's Tour de France: 1983 and 2003

[Eric Marth]

I'm not well versed in the Tour de France but I've been enjoying 
Kraftwerk's song of the same name. 

The song was originally released as a single in 1983 and features some hub 
noises and also some (I think) pump noises as well. 1983 version. 


The group re-recorded the song in 2003 and made a full album called Tour de 
France. 2003 version. 

It's easy to get them confused, they used the same album artwork for both 
releases! 

It's interesting to hear how the sounds of the hubs and pumps have changed 
between the recordings. I much prefer the '83 version, for the hubs and the 
synths. Both sound warmer. 

Figured others might enjoy. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: going down the Brooks rabbit hole...

[Richard Rose]

Using the SQ “fit kit” (piece of corrugated cardboard!) I get a consistent 
measurement of 110mm. The second part of the SQ method for choosing the right 
saddle is to add between 10-50 mm to this measurement base on your posture on 
the bike. Based on my slightly forward leaning position I would add 30-40mm, so 
my saddle is 140mm wide. I realize that the B17 should be wide enough to 
perhaps solve my problem. However, I had a B67 for a short while and liked it a 
lot on my previous bike. I never got it dialed in however & in any event the 
springs made it impractical to use my bikepacking seatbag - not enough 
clearance on that 29+ Jones bike. That is not a problem on the Clem being a 
650b bike. And I got a super price on this B67 so thought I’d give it another 
shot.
Interestingly I contacted SQ about my situation. They referred to my bike as a 
“Dutch” bike! Their suggestion was their 621 model, which very much resembles 
the shape of the B67, albeit with substantial padding. It would be 180 wide. 
One of the things I really like about the “Active” SQ saddles is the very 
subtle rocking motion while pedaling. Rivendell / Grant mention a similarity 
subtle rocking motion from the springs on the B67. I hope my 170lbs. is enough 
to feel that.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 23, 2022, at 10:23 AM, 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> How wide is the SQ saddle? I have very narrow sitbones and can ride a B17 at 
> 50-60 degrees so not totally upright.  There are some easy ways to measure 
> your sitbone width.  
>> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:51:23 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>> If that doesn't work out and you feel adventurous, try a Selle Royal Lookin 
>> Womens saddle, the Moderate is 198mm wide, if not there is the relaxed 
>> version about 228mm. These have a sweet spot everywhere, so there's no 
>> comparing them with Brooks or many other types. Their foam/gel stuff has to 
>> be experienced to be believed . it's very dense, giving, supportive yet 
>> never hard and certainly impossible to bottom out on, it's goldilocks,  
>> m just right, for ever and ever. 
>> 
>> https://www.selleroyal.com/en/look-moderate
>> https://www.selleroyal.com/en/look-relaxed
>>> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 6:46:54 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Since getting my Clem in January I've logged nearly 600 miles. I mention 
>>> this because of all the bikes I have owned I have never looked forward to 
>>> each ride the way I do with this one. The bike however has revealed a chink 
>>> in the armor of my much liked SQ labs saddle. It just is not wide enough to 
>>> support my sit bones in my very upright position. It is great up to a 
>>> little over 2 hours but starts to reveal itself after that. So, I took 
>>> advantage of the opportunity to pick up a very gently used B67 too close to 
>>> home to turn down. Here's hoping this saddle will provide the support my 
>>> current one lacks without raising any ugly issues with unwanted pressures 
>>> the SQ was so good at eliminating.
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[RBW] Re: Clem wheel woes: To rebuild or not to build...

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Hi Sofie,

I might choose option 3, but with a caveat. Let me explain.

Your Clem is relatively new to you. You are using it and discovering what 
kind of riding you like to do and how the bike best suits you, and how you 
can incorporate it into your daily life. This is wonderful! 

That said, I would be hesitant to change anything for awhile. Why? Because 
I get the feeling that you are still discovering what you really want - and 
that’s a positive and fun thing. As my miles have increased, I have 
discovered who I really am as a rider. I’ve ridden enough to know what I 
want and avoid the FOMO. Now when I make a change to my bike, I KNOW it’s 
in my best interest. I’m not against making expensive investments in my 
bike (which is well documented on this List); rather, I just want to know 
it’s money well-spent.

For instance: In 2020 with nothing to do and nowhere to go, I really 
stepped up my miles. My boys were older and could be without me, and I was 
yearning to find new places to ride. I got over 3,000 miles in 2020 and 
that taught me a LOT. I wanted more capability out of my bike, and that 
meant big changes to my Clem and adding a zippy Platypus. None of the 
changes or decisions I made would have felt necessary to me in 2012 when I 
got my Betty Foy. The Betty was set up to be a tank. Biggest heavy-duty 
racks Nitto made, biggest basket by Wald, so I could haul a dog and pull 
kids and bring picnic lunches and school supplies. It was my only bike, and 
it served me well in those years.

But Leah 2020-present is a very different rider. I wanted to ride in the 
dark and tired of dead batteries, so I needed dyno lighting. I wanted to 
pedal up the mountains with more ease, so I procured lighter wheels and 
better tires. I did my first club ride on Monday on my raspberry Platypus. 
I have started grocery shopping and errand-running by bike. It has been a 
journey and a joy to evolve in my bike life and I can’t wait to see where 
you’re headed in yours, RivSister. 

This is just my opinion, but you do as you wish! ♥️
Leah
On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 4:49:09 PM UTC-4 sof...@gmail.com wrote:

> Help! I'm stuck in analysis paralysis... I have a size 45 Clem complete 
> that I adore, purchased in the last Riv lottery. I wanted dynamo lighting 
> so I had my local bike shop rebuild the stock front wheel with a SON hub. 
> My clem feels quick enough for me - I'm a slow rider, and the weight 
> doesn't bother me, except for when I'm riding uphill, and there are a lot 
> of hills where I live. Still, I have wheel fomo, and I can't stop thinking 
> about how good the Clem could be if I were to put on different wheels than 
> the stock wheels.
>
> I'm considering a bunch of options, with the top ones being:
>
> 1. Get a set of new, relatively lightweight wheels without Dyno for 
> daytime riding (which is what I mostly do anyway). Keep Clem stock wheels 
> for when I really need the Dyno. I'd have two sets of wheels. 
>
> 2. Get new rims (Velocity Cliffhangers?) and salvage the SON hub - Rich 
> can use the hub in rebuilding the front wheel. This leaves me with an extra 
> Clem stock rear wheel. 
>
> 3. Be happy with what I have.
>
> What would you do?
>
> Sofie
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: going down the Brooks rabbit hole...

['JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I’m 140#s, rode. B67 when I was about 150, maybe a bit less. I never noticed 
anything from the springs. I used a B68 (no springs) for years, sold them all 
stupidly but the 17 seems to work well for me. I got a bit of chafing from the 
B68 flare but should have put a couple of holes in it and tied with shoe laces. 
Sounds like the 67 should work great for you.

Sent from ProtonMail for iOS

On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 11:32 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:

> Using the SQ “fit kit” (piece of corrugated cardboard!) I get a consistent 
> measurement of 110mm. The second part of the SQ method for choosing the right 
> saddle is to add between 10-50 mm to this measurement base on your posture on 
> the bike. Based on my slightly forward leaning position I would add 30-40mm, 
> so my saddle is 140mm wide. I realize that the B17 should be wide enough to 
> perhaps solve my problem. However, I had a B67 for a short while and liked it 
> a lot on my previous bike. I never got it dialed in however & in any event 
> the springs made it impractical to use my bikepacking seatbag - not enough 
> clearance on that 29+ Jones bike. That is not a problem on the Clem being a 
> 650b bike. And I got a super price on this B67 so thought I’d give it another 
> shot.
> Interestingly I contacted SQ about my situation. They referred to my bike as 
> a “Dutch” bike! Their suggestion was their 621 model, which very much 
> resembles the shape of the B67, albeit with substantial padding. It would be 
> 180 wide. One of the things I really like about the “Active” SQ saddles is 
> the very subtle rocking motion while pedaling. Rivendell / Grant mention a 
> similarity subtle rocking motion from the springs on the B67. I hope my 
> 170lbs. is enough to feel that.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 23, 2022, at 10:23 AM, 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
>
>> How wide is the SQ saddle? I have very narrow sitbones and can ride a B17 
>> at 50-60 degrees so not totally upright. There are some easy ways to measure 
>> your sitbone width.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:51:23 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> If that doesn't work out and you feel adventurous, try a Selle Royal Lookin 
>>> Womens saddle, the Moderate is 198mm wide, if not there is the relaxed 
>>> version about 228mm. These have a sweet spot everywhere, so there's no 
>>> comparing them with Brooks or many other types. Their foam/gel stuff has to 
>>> be experienced to be believed . it's very dense, giving, supportive yet 
>>> never hard and certainly impossible to bottom out on, it's goldilocks, 
>>> m just right, for ever and ever.
>>>
>>> https://www.selleroyal.com/en/look-moderate
>>> https://www.selleroyal.com/en/look-relaxed
>>> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 6:46:54 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Since getting my Clem in January I've logged nearly 600 miles. I mention 
 this because of all the bikes I have owned I have never looked forward to 
 each ride the way I do with this one. The bike however has revealed a 
 chink in the armor of my much liked SQ labs saddle. It just is not wide 
 enough to support my sit bones in my very upright position. It is great up 
 to a little over 2 hours but starts to reveal itself after that. So, I 
 took advantage of the opportunity to pick up a very gently used B67 too 
 close to home to turn down. Here's hoping this saddle will provide the 
 support my current one lacks without raising any ugly issues with unwanted 
 pressures the SQ was so good at eliminating.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: going down the Brooks rabbit hole...

[Richard Rose]

So I installed the B67 this morning and experimented a little. I was pretty 
precise about positioning the same as the SQ. I started with the saddle dead 
level. Very short ride had me sliding off the saddle - forward. But it felt ok 
just slippery. So I figured perhaps that is why I see so many Brooks with nose 
up. So I cranked it up. Felt amazing! But after just a mile I got off & sensed 
a tiny bit of pressure where none of us want it. So I dropped it a little. The 
sky’s cleared & I ride that way for over an hour. Pretty good. No sliding, no 
pressure. Cautiously optimistic. 
So I have a question; what is this weird science at play that is so counter 
intuitive? Nose up says crotch pressure to me. How does this work?
And yes, the B67 squeaks a bit. And yes, it’s a boat anchor. Neither of which 
concerns me too much.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 23, 2022, at 1:19 PM, 'JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I’m 140#s, rode. B67 when I was about 150, maybe a bit less.  I never noticed 
> anything from the springs.  I used a B68 (no springs) for years, sold them 
> all stupidly but the 17 seems to work well for me.  I got a bit of chafing 
> from the B68 flare but should have put a couple of holes in it and tied with 
> shoe laces.  Sounds like the 67 should work great for you.  
> 
> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 11:32 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>> Using the SQ “fit kit” (piece of corrugated cardboard!) I get a consistent 
>> measurement of 110mm. The second part of the SQ method for choosing the 
>> right saddle is to add between 10-50 mm to this measurement base on your 
>> posture on the bike. Based on my slightly forward leaning position I would 
>> add 30-40mm, so my saddle is 140mm wide. I realize that the B17 should be 
>> wide enough to perhaps solve my problem. However, I had a B67 for a short 
>> while and liked it a lot on my previous bike. I never got it dialed in 
>> however & in any event the springs made it impractical to use my bikepacking 
>> seatbag - not enough clearance on that 29+ Jones bike. That is not a problem 
>> on the Clem being a 650b bike. And I got a super price on this B67 so 
>> thought I’d give it another shot.
>> Interestingly I contacted SQ about my situation. They referred to my bike as 
>> a “Dutch” bike! Their suggestion was their 621 model, which very much 
>> resembles the shape of the B67, albeit with substantial padding. It would be 
>> 180 wide. One of the things I really like about the “Active” SQ saddles is 
>> the very subtle rocking motion while pedaling. Rivendell / Grant mention a 
>> similarity subtle rocking motion from the springs on the B67. I hope my 
>> 170lbs. is enough to feel that.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Mar 23, 2022, at 10:23 AM, 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch 
  wrote:
 
>>> How wide is the SQ saddle? I have very narrow sitbones and can ride a B17 
>>> at 50-60 degrees so not totally upright.  There are some easy ways to 
>>> measure your sitbone width.  
 On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:51:23 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
 If that doesn't work out and you feel adventurous, try a Selle Royal 
 Lookin Womens saddle, the Moderate is 198mm wide, if not there is the 
 relaxed version about 228mm. These have a sweet spot everywhere, so 
 there's no comparing them with Brooks or many other types. Their foam/gel 
 stuff has to be experienced to be believed . it's very dense, giving, 
 supportive yet never hard and certainly impossible to bottom out on, it's 
 goldilocks,  m just right, for ever and ever. 
 
 https://www.selleroyal.com/en/look-moderate
 https://www.selleroyal.com/en/look-relaxed
> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 6:46:54 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
> Since getting my Clem in January I've logged nearly 600 miles. I mention 
> this because of all the bikes I have owned I have never looked forward to 
> each ride the way I do with this one. The bike however has revealed a 
> chink in the armor of my much liked SQ labs saddle. It just is not wide 
> enough to support my sit bones in my very upright position. It is great 
> up to a little over 2 hours but starts to reveal itself after that. So, I 
> took advantage of the opportunity to pick up a very gently used B67 too 
> close to home to turn down. Here's hoping this saddle will provide the 
> support my current one lacks without raising any ugly issues with 
> unwanted pressures the SQ was so good at eliminating.
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: going down the Brooks rabbit hole...

['JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I ride my brooks level, I use a high quality level to ensure this, I never 
slide. Nose up gets me numb. Many brooks riders ride nose up. I cannot. If 
numbness persists I have read recommendations to put the nose down a bit.

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On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 2:00 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:

> So I installed the B67 this morning and experimented a little. I was pretty 
> precise about positioning the same as the SQ. I started with the saddle dead 
> level. Very short ride had me sliding off the saddle - forward. But it felt 
> ok just slippery. So I figured perhaps that is why I see so many Brooks with 
> nose up. So I cranked it up. Felt amazing! But after just a mile I got off & 
> sensed a tiny bit of pressure where none of us want it. So I dropped it a 
> little. The sky’s cleared & I ride that way for over an hour. Pretty good. No 
> sliding, no pressure. Cautiously optimistic.
> So I have a question; what is this weird science at play that is so counter 
> intuitive? Nose up says crotch pressure to me. How does this work?
> And yes, the B67 squeaks a bit. And yes, it’s a boat anchor. Neither of which 
> concerns me too much.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 23, 2022, at 1:19 PM, 'JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
>
>> 
>>
>> I’m 140#s, rode. B67 when I was about 150, maybe a bit less. I never noticed 
>> anything from the springs. I used a B68 (no springs) for years, sold them 
>> all stupidly but the 17 seems to work well for me. I got a bit of chafing 
>> from the B68 flare but should have put a couple of holes in it and tied with 
>> shoe laces. Sounds like the 67 should work great for you.
>>
>> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 11:32 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>>> Using the SQ “fit kit” (piece of corrugated cardboard!) I get a consistent 
>>> measurement of 110mm. The second part of the SQ method for choosing the 
>>> right saddle is to add between 10-50 mm to this measurement base on your 
>>> posture on the bike. Based on my slightly forward leaning position I would 
>>> add 30-40mm, so my saddle is 140mm wide. I realize that the B17 should be 
>>> wide enough to perhaps solve my problem. However, I had a B67 for a short 
>>> while and liked it a lot on my previous bike. I never got it dialed in 
>>> however & in any event the springs made it impractical to use my 
>>> bikepacking seatbag - not enough clearance on that 29+ Jones bike. That is 
>>> not a problem on the Clem being a 650b bike. And I got a super price on 
>>> this B67 so thought I’d give it another shot.
>>> Interestingly I contacted SQ about my situation. They referred to my bike 
>>> as a “Dutch” bike! Their suggestion was their 621 model, which very much 
>>> resembles the shape of the B67, albeit with substantial padding. It would 
>>> be 180 wide. One of the things I really like about the “Active” SQ saddles 
>>> is the very subtle rocking motion while pedaling. Rivendell / Grant mention 
>>> a similarity subtle rocking motion from the springs on the B67. I hope my 
>>> 170lbs. is enough to feel that.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Mar 23, 2022, at 10:23 AM, 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch 
  wrote:
>>>
 How wide is the SQ saddle? I have very narrow sitbones and can ride a B17 
 at 50-60 degrees so not totally upright. There are some easy ways to 
 measure your sitbone width.

 On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:51:23 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> If that doesn't work out and you feel adventurous, try a Selle Royal 
> Lookin Womens saddle, the Moderate is 198mm wide, if not there is the 
> relaxed version about 228mm. These have a sweet spot everywhere, so 
> there's no comparing them with Brooks or many other types. Their foam/gel 
> stuff has to be experienced to be believed . it's very dense, giving, 
> supportive yet never hard and certainly impossible to bottom out on, it's 
> goldilocks, m just right, for ever and ever.
>
> https://www.selleroyal.com/en/look-moderate
> https://www.selleroyal.com/en/look-relaxed
> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 6:46:54 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Since getting my Clem in January I've logged nearly 600 miles. I mention 
>> this because of all the bikes I have owned I have never looked forward 
>> to each ride the way I do with this one. The bike however has revealed a 
>> chink in the armor of my much liked SQ labs saddle. It just is not wide 
>> enough to support my sit bones in my very upright position. It is great 
>> up to a little over 2 hours but starts to reveal itself after that. So, 
>> I took advantage of the opportunity to pick up a very gently used B67 
>> too close to home to turn down. Here's hoping this saddle will provide 
>> the support my current one lacks without raising any ugly issues with 
>> unwanted pressures the SQ was so good at eliminating.

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[RBW] FWIW: Traditional manufacture ("make by hand") of Nepali kukris

[Patrick Moore]

Not on-bicycle-topic but certainly on Rivendell-scale-of-interest topic,
given the axes and knives and home-carved mallets and spoons, not to
mention manually controlled film cameras and manual, friction shifting.
This caught my eye, especially as I've just been re-reading "Kim" and Peter
Hopkirk's semi-classic literary/ travelogue/history analyses and excursuses
to the novel, it's author, and its location and time.

If you want background, read Wiki's entries on kukris and Ghurkas; both
(the Wiki articles too, but I mean the knife and the people) fascinating.

The article implies positive things about traditional caste systems, almost
entirely misunderstood in the west. 40 years and more to become a master,
starting at age 5 or so, until you attain digital/computer-levels of
materials analysis ability using unmediated sight, sound, smell!* Reminds
me of medieval doctorates of theology: you didn't make doctor until you
were truly a master of the science, and, as I've read, it is the same with
Tibetan Buddhist theologians (I know, I know, *mutatis mutandis*) and
Tibetan doctors of the traditional medical arts: you were well into middle
age, after starting before age 10, before you became a master.

Anyway: https://himalayan-imports.com/kami.html

Aside: Note that the correct pronunciation is "Hee MAHL yah" with perhaps a
small hint of short "i" before the "yah." That's the way it is pronounced
in the Indian national anthem, and how I heard it said as an expat. And for
that matter, "Sahib" is pronounced "Sahb" with just the barest hint of a
short "i" between the H and the B.

* Another very, very interesting instance of traditional material craft
expertise, and of traditional life generally, this time traditional West
African, can be found in "L'Enfant Noir" by Camara Laye, published in
English by Penguin decades ago as "The African Child." Laye's father was a
traditional Senegalese metalsmith, and Laye's French (he got a
baccalaureate at the Sorbonne) is equal in elegance, precision, and
poignancy, to the metal craft of his forefathers.



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[RBW] Re: Clem wheel woes: To rebuild or not to build...

[Paul Choi]

I second the recommendation of waiting until you really know what you want. 

If you do go down the building wheels road, you can try getting some wheels 
built by Pro Wheel Builder (PWB) in Georgia. I had two sets of Velocity 
Atlas (650b) wheels built and shipped to me for $650. I sent my own Shimano 
hubs (LX) to them because it is getting difficult to source 135 mm rear 
hubs in silver that are not super expensive (WI etc). 

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:37:49 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Hi Sofie,
>
> I might choose option 3, but with a caveat. Let me explain.
>
> Your Clem is relatively new to you. You are using it and discovering what 
> kind of riding you like to do and how the bike best suits you, and how you 
> can incorporate it into your daily life. This is wonderful! 
>
> That said, I would be hesitant to change anything for awhile. Why? Because 
> I get the feeling that you are still discovering what you really want - and 
> that’s a positive and fun thing. As my miles have increased, I have 
> discovered who I really am as a rider. I’ve ridden enough to know what I 
> want and avoid the FOMO. Now when I make a change to my bike, I KNOW it’s 
> in my best interest. I’m not against making expensive investments in my 
> bike (which is well documented on this List); rather, I just want to know 
> it’s money well-spent.
>
> For instance: In 2020 with nothing to do and nowhere to go, I really 
> stepped up my miles. My boys were older and could be without me, and I was 
> yearning to find new places to ride. I got over 3,000 miles in 2020 and 
> that taught me a LOT. I wanted more capability out of my bike, and that 
> meant big changes to my Clem and adding a zippy Platypus. None of the 
> changes or decisions I made would have felt necessary to me in 2012 when I 
> got my Betty Foy. The Betty was set up to be a tank. Biggest heavy-duty 
> racks Nitto made, biggest basket by Wald, so I could haul a dog and pull 
> kids and bring picnic lunches and school supplies. It was my only bike, and 
> it served me well in those years.
>
> But Leah 2020-present is a very different rider. I wanted to ride in the 
> dark and tired of dead batteries, so I needed dyno lighting. I wanted to 
> pedal up the mountains with more ease, so I procured lighter wheels and 
> better tires. I did my first club ride on Monday on my raspberry Platypus. 
> I have started grocery shopping and errand-running by bike. It has been a 
> journey and a joy to evolve in my bike life and I can’t wait to see where 
> you’re headed in yours, RivSister. 
>
> This is just my opinion, but you do as you wish! ♥️
> Leah
> On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 4:49:09 PM UTC-4 sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Help! I'm stuck in analysis paralysis... I have a size 45 Clem complete 
>> that I adore, purchased in the last Riv lottery. I wanted dynamo lighting 
>> so I had my local bike shop rebuild the stock front wheel with a SON hub. 
>> My clem feels quick enough for me - I'm a slow rider, and the weight 
>> doesn't bother me, except for when I'm riding uphill, and there are a lot 
>> of hills where I live. Still, I have wheel fomo, and I can't stop thinking 
>> about how good the Clem could be if I were to put on different wheels than 
>> the stock wheels.
>>
>> I'm considering a bunch of options, with the top ones being:
>>
>> 1. Get a set of new, relatively lightweight wheels without Dyno for 
>> daytime riding (which is what I mostly do anyway). Keep Clem stock wheels 
>> for when I really need the Dyno. I'd have two sets of wheels. 
>>
>> 2. Get new rims (Velocity Cliffhangers?) and salvage the SON hub - Rich 
>> can use the hub in rebuilding the front wheel. This leaves me with an extra 
>> Clem stock rear wheel. 
>>
>> 3. Be happy with what I have.
>>
>> What would you do?
>>
>> Sofie
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Coffee Grinder Question

[Mark Schneider]

For me, it was because I lived in an area where I lost power so often 
during the winter. After I bought the little burr grinder I realized it 
made better coffee. But the blade grinders aren't terrible, kind of like 
riding an aluminum Trek from the 90's with 20mm tires pumped to 160psi on a 
washboard road, with drain rock...

On Friday, May 31, 2019 at 8:05:20 AM UTC-7 Mark in Beacon wrote:

> Can someone explain the awesome advantage hand grinders have over my 
> little electric Krupps? I assume it has to do with heat affecting final 
> taste. But has BQ done any testing in this area? Kidding aside, does it 
> matter that much? Or is it mostly just the artisanal aspect? Which is fine, 
> too. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: going down the Brooks rabbit hole...

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

RMRO asked " So I have a question; what is this weird science at play that 
is so counter intuitive? Nose up says crotch pressure to me. How does this 
work?"

I always thought the 'nose up' is required since the B17 shape is like a 
hammock, you need the nose up very slightly to get the sit bones in the 
right position.  Too much, gets you in the numbing area.  So it's bit of 
experimenting since every one is different.  Some pictures I've seen show 
what I think would be excessive nose up for me, but obliviously is OK with 
the rider

I find a good nose up position and then use a digital angle finder on the 
straight section just behind to saddle nose to measure how much 'up' I 
got.   This location seems repeatable since it away from the hammock 
section.  Eyeballing it is also good.

Been using B17's and VO Model 3's exclusively.  The VO Model 3 seems as 
good as the B17, IMHO.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 2:00:55 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> So I installed the B67 this morning and experimented a little. I was 
> pretty precise about positioning the same as the SQ. I started with the 
> saddle dead level. Very short ride had me sliding off the saddle - forward. 
> But it felt ok just slippery. So I figured perhaps that is why I see so 
> many Brooks with nose up. So I cranked it up. Felt amazing! But after just 
> a mile I got off & sensed a tiny bit of pressure where none of us want it. 
> So I dropped it a little. The sky’s cleared & I ride that way for over an 
> hour. Pretty good. No sliding, no pressure. Cautiously optimistic. 
> So I have a question; what is this weird science at play that is so 
> counter intuitive? Nose up says crotch pressure to me. How does this work?
> And yes, the B67 squeaks a bit. And yes, it’s a boat anchor. Neither of 
> which concerns me too much.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 23, 2022, at 1:19 PM, 'JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>  
>
>
> I’m 140#s, rode. B67 when I was about 150, maybe a bit less.  I never 
> noticed anything from the springs.  I used a B68 (no springs) for years, 
> sold them all stupidly but the 17 seems to work well for me.  I got a bit 
> of chafing from the B68 flare but should have put a couple of holes in it 
> and tied with shoe laces.  Sounds like the 67 should work great for you.  
>
> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 11:32 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>
> Using the SQ “fit kit” (piece of corrugated cardboard!) I get a consistent 
> measurement of 110mm. The second part of the SQ method for choosing the 
> right saddle is to add between 10-50 mm to this measurement base on your 
> posture on the bike. Based on my slightly forward leaning position I would 
> add 30-40mm, so my saddle is 140mm wide. I realize that the B17 should be 
> wide enough to perhaps solve my problem. However, I had a B67 for a short 
> while and liked it a lot on my previous bike. I never got it dialed in 
> however & in any event the springs made it impractical to use my 
> bikepacking seatbag - not enough clearance on that 29+ Jones bike. That is 
> not a problem on the Clem being a 650b bike. And I got a super price on 
> this B67 so thought I’d give it another shot.
> Interestingly I contacted SQ about my situation. They referred to my bike 
> as a “Dutch” bike! Their suggestion was their 621 model, which very much 
> resembles the shape of the B67, albeit with substantial padding. It would 
> be 180 wide. One of the things I really like about the “Active” SQ saddles 
> is the very subtle rocking motion while pedaling. Rivendell / Grant mention 
> a similarity subtle rocking motion from the springs on the B67. I hope my 
> 170lbs. is enough to feel that.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 23, 2022, at 10:23 AM, 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> How wide is the SQ saddle? I have very narrow sitbones and can ride a B17 
> at 50-60 degrees so not totally upright.  There are some easy ways to 
> measure your sitbone width.  
> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:51:23 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>
>> If that doesn't work out and you feel adventurous, try a Selle Royal 
>> Lookin Womens saddle, the Moderate is 198mm wide, if not there is the 
>> relaxed version about 228mm. These have a sweet spot everywhere, so there's 
>> no comparing them with Brooks or many other types. Their foam/gel stuff has 
>> to be experienced to be believed . it's very dense, giving, supportive 
>> yet never hard and certainly impossible to bottom out on, it's goldilocks,  
>> m just right, for ever and ever. 
>>
>> https://www.selleroyal.com/en/look-moderate
>> https://www.selleroyal.com/en/look-relaxed
>> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 6:46:54 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Since getting my Clem in January I've logged nearly 600 miles. I mention 
>>> this because of all the bikes I have owned I have never looked forward to 
>

[RBW] Re: A Rivendell in Southern Living magazine

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Wow, good looking and looks good.   Any guess on the model or is it a 
custom?

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 7:06:18 PM UTC-4 Tommy Patterson wrote:

> HI all, 
>
> I just came across a nice full-page picture of a rivendell on a trail 
> (double top-tube homer?) while flipping through this month's issue of 
> Southern Living magazine. Here is a link to the article about Beaufort, SC 
> with the photo: 
> https://www.southernliving.com/travel/south-carolina/beaufort-sc. 
>
> Cheers,
> Tommy in Hattiesburg, MS 
>

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[RBW] Re: Hub sounds in Kraftwerk's Tour de France: 1983 and 2003

[Nick Payne]

Back in 2015 Kraftwerk played a gig at the TdF *Grand Depart* in Utrecht.

There's an interview in *Rolling Stone* with Ralf Hütter where he talks 
about their long association with cycling: 
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/kraftwerk-on-cycling-3d-spiritual-connection-to-detroit-56548/
.

My favourite Kraftwerk album, though, is not *Tour de France Soundtracks*, 
but *Trans-Europe Express*.

Nick

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[RBW] Peace Wheel T-shirt

[dougP]

The Peace Wheel T-shirt I ordered when they were fist available shipped on 
Monday & arrived today (Wednesday).  Absolutely great service.  The shirt 
looks as good as it does in their on-line photos.

Thanks Rivendell for supporting Ukraine!

dougP

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Re: [RBW] Re: going down the Brooks rabbit hole...

[Richard Rose]

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 23, 2022, at 5:35 PM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> RMRO asked " So I have a question; what is this weird science at play that 
> is so counter intuitive? Nose up says crotch pressure to me. How does this 
> work?"
> 
> I always thought the 'nose up' is required since the B17 shape is like a 
> hammock, you need the nose up very slightly to get the sit bones in the right 
> position.  Too much, gets you in the numbing area.  So it's bit of 
> experimenting since every one is different.  Some pictures I've seen show 
> what I think would be excessive nose up for me, but obliviously is OK with 
> the rider
> 
> I find a good nose up position and then use a digital angle finder on the 
> straight section just behind to saddle nose to measure how much 'up' I got.   
> This location seems repeatable since it away from the hammock section.  
> Eyeballing it is also good.
> 
> Been using B17's and VO Model 3's exclusively.  The VO Model 3 seems as good 
> as the B17, IMHO.
> 
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
> 
>> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 2:00:55 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>> So I installed the B67 this morning and experimented a little. I was pretty 
>> precise about positioning the same as the SQ. I started with the saddle dead 
>> level. Very short ride had me sliding off the saddle - forward. But it felt 
>> ok just slippery. So I figured perhaps that is why I see so many Brooks with 
>> nose up. So I cranked it up. Felt amazing! But after just a mile I got off & 
>> sensed a tiny bit of pressure where none of us want it. So I dropped it a 
>> little. The sky’s cleared & I ride that way for over an hour. Pretty good. 
>> No sliding, no pressure. Cautiously optimistic. 
>> So I have a question; what is this weird science at play that is so counter 
>> intuitive? Nose up says crotch pressure to me. How does this work?
>> And yes, the B67 squeaks a bit. And yes, it’s a boat anchor. Neither of 
>> which concerns me too much.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Mar 23, 2022, at 1:19 PM, 'JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch 
  wrote:
 
>>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> I’m 140#s, rode. B67 when I was about 150, maybe a bit less.  I never 
>>> noticed anything from the springs.  I used a B68 (no springs) for years, 
>>> sold them all stupidly but the 17 seems to work well for me.  I got a bit 
>>> of chafing from the B68 flare but should have put a couple of holes in it 
>>> and tied with shoe laces.  Sounds like the 67 should work great for you.  
>>> 
>>> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 11:32 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
 Using the SQ “fit kit” (piece of corrugated cardboard!) I get a consistent 
 measurement of 110mm. The second part of the SQ method for choosing the 
 right saddle is to add between 10-50 mm to this measurement base on your 
 posture on the bike. Based on my slightly forward leaning position I would 
 add 30-40mm, so my saddle is 140mm wide. I realize that the B17 should be 
 wide enough to perhaps solve my problem. However, I had a B67 for a short 
 while and liked it a lot on my previous bike. I never got it dialed in 
 however & in any event the springs made it impractical to use my 
 bikepacking seatbag - not enough clearance on that 29+ Jones bike. That is 
 not a problem on the Clem being a 650b bike. And I got a super price on 
 this B67 so thought I’d give it another shot.
 Interestingly I contacted SQ about my situation. They referred to my bike 
 as a “Dutch” bike! Their suggestion was their 621 model, which very much 
 resembles the shape of the B67, albeit with substantial padding. It would 
 be 180 wide. One of the things I really like about the “Active” SQ saddles 
 is the very subtle rocking motion while pedaling. Rivendell / Grant 
 mention a similarity subtle rocking motion from the springs on the B67. I 
 hope my 170lbs. is enough to feel that.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Mar 23, 2022, at 10:23 AM, 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
>> 
> How wide is the SQ saddle? I have very narrow sitbones and can ride a 
> B17 at 50-60 degrees so not totally upright.  There are some easy ways to 
> measure your sitbone width.  
>> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:51:23 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>> If that doesn't work out and you feel adventurous, try a Selle Royal 
>> Lookin Womens saddle, the Moderate is 198mm wide, if not there is the 
>> relaxed version about 228mm. These have a sweet spot everywhere, so 
>> there's no comparing them with Brooks or many other types. Their 
>> foam/gel stuff has to be experienced to be believed . it's very 
>> dense, giving, supportive yet never hard and certainly impossible to 
>> bottom out on, it's goldilocks,  m just right, for ever and ever. 
>> 
>> https://www.selleroyal.com/en/look-moderate
>>

[RBW] Re: Coffee Grinder Question

[Will Boericke]

I'm fascinated by the manual grinder.  I'm into coffee enough to roast my 
own beans, but I can't see the benefit of manual work when my Virtuoso does 
a fine job for all of my use cases.  Now, a manual espresso maker...

Will 



On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 4:58:29 PM UTC-4 Mark Schneider wrote:

> For me, it was because I lived in an area where I lost power so often 
> during the winter. After I bought the little burr grinder I realized it 
> made better coffee. But the blade grinders aren't terrible, kind of like 
> riding an aluminum Trek from the 90's with 20mm tires pumped to 160psi on a 
> washboard road, with drain rock...
>
> On Friday, May 31, 2019 at 8:05:20 AM UTC-7 Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
>> Can someone explain the awesome advantage hand grinders have over my 
>> little electric Krupps? I assume it has to do with heat affecting final 
>> taste. But has BQ done any testing in this area? Kidding aside, does it 
>> matter that much? Or is it mostly just the artisanal aspect? Which is fine, 
>> too. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem wheel woes: To rebuild or not to build...

[Sofie C]

Wow, thanks so much to all of you for the incredibly thoughtful advice. I'm 
going to keep my Clem as is for longer with a few minor tweaks... I ordered 
some extra light Juniper Ridge RH tires (48mm) and will see how that 
changes the feel. I'm also playing with the saddle setback (thank you for 
the tip, Patrick! And probably most importantly, I'm working on building my 
leg strength so hopefully those hills won't feel as daunting, no matter the 
weight of my Clem!
On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 4:42:33 PM UTC-4 Paul Choi wrote:

> I second the recommendation of waiting until you really know what you 
> want. 
>
> If you do go down the building wheels road, you can try getting some 
> wheels built by Pro Wheel Builder (PWB) in Georgia. I had two sets of 
> Velocity Atlas (650b) wheels built and shipped to me for $650. I sent my 
> own Shimano hubs (LX) to them because it is getting difficult to source 135 
> mm rear hubs in silver that are not super expensive (WI etc). 
>
> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:37:49 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Sofie,
>>
>> I might choose option 3, but with a caveat. Let me explain.
>>
>> Your Clem is relatively new to you. You are using it and discovering what 
>> kind of riding you like to do and how the bike best suits you, and how you 
>> can incorporate it into your daily life. This is wonderful! 
>>
>> That said, I would be hesitant to change anything for awhile. Why? 
>> Because I get the feeling that you are still discovering what you really 
>> want - and that’s a positive and fun thing. As my miles have increased, I 
>> have discovered who I really am as a rider. I’ve ridden enough to know what 
>> I want and avoid the FOMO. Now when I make a change to my bike, I KNOW it’s 
>> in my best interest. I’m not against making expensive investments in my 
>> bike (which is well documented on this List); rather, I just want to know 
>> it’s money well-spent.
>>
>> For instance: In 2020 with nothing to do and nowhere to go, I really 
>> stepped up my miles. My boys were older and could be without me, and I was 
>> yearning to find new places to ride. I got over 3,000 miles in 2020 and 
>> that taught me a LOT. I wanted more capability out of my bike, and that 
>> meant big changes to my Clem and adding a zippy Platypus. None of the 
>> changes or decisions I made would have felt necessary to me in 2012 when I 
>> got my Betty Foy. The Betty was set up to be a tank. Biggest heavy-duty 
>> racks Nitto made, biggest basket by Wald, so I could haul a dog and pull 
>> kids and bring picnic lunches and school supplies. It was my only bike, and 
>> it served me well in those years.
>>
>> But Leah 2020-present is a very different rider. I wanted to ride in the 
>> dark and tired of dead batteries, so I needed dyno lighting. I wanted to 
>> pedal up the mountains with more ease, so I procured lighter wheels and 
>> better tires. I did my first club ride on Monday on my raspberry Platypus. 
>> I have started grocery shopping and errand-running by bike. It has been a 
>> journey and a joy to evolve in my bike life and I can’t wait to see where 
>> you’re headed in yours, RivSister. 
>>
>> This is just my opinion, but you do as you wish! ♥️
>> Leah
>> On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 4:49:09 PM UTC-4 sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Help! I'm stuck in analysis paralysis... I have a size 45 Clem complete 
>>> that I adore, purchased in the last Riv lottery. I wanted dynamo lighting 
>>> so I had my local bike shop rebuild the stock front wheel with a SON hub. 
>>> My clem feels quick enough for me - I'm a slow rider, and the weight 
>>> doesn't bother me, except for when I'm riding uphill, and there are a lot 
>>> of hills where I live. Still, I have wheel fomo, and I can't stop thinking 
>>> about how good the Clem could be if I were to put on different wheels than 
>>> the stock wheels.
>>>
>>> I'm considering a bunch of options, with the top ones being:
>>>
>>> 1. Get a set of new, relatively lightweight wheels without Dyno for 
>>> daytime riding (which is what I mostly do anyway). Keep Clem stock wheels 
>>> for when I really need the Dyno. I'd have two sets of wheels. 
>>>
>>> 2. Get new rims (Velocity Cliffhangers?) and salvage the SON hub - Rich 
>>> can use the hub in rebuilding the front wheel. This leaves me with an extra 
>>> Clem stock rear wheel. 
>>>
>>> 3. Be happy with what I have.
>>>
>>> What would you do?
>>>
>>> Sofie
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Coffee Grinder Question

[Pam Bikes]

Is this for home use - lots of beans  - or a single cup when camping?  The 
guy on Firebox stove.com has a manual grinder that he has on his videos and 
website IIRC.  But he's only using it for a single cup in an Aeropress.

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 7:22:41 PM UTC-4 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm fascinated by the manual grinder.  I'm into coffee enough to roast my 
> own beans, but I can't see the benefit of manual work when my Virtuoso does 
> a fine job for all of my use cases.  Now, a manual espresso maker...
>
> Will 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 4:58:29 PM UTC-4 Mark Schneider wrote:
>
>> For me, it was because I lived in an area where I lost power so often 
>> during the winter. After I bought the little burr grinder I realized it 
>> made better coffee. But the blade grinders aren't terrible, kind of like 
>> riding an aluminum Trek from the 90's with 20mm tires pumped to 160psi on a 
>> washboard road, with drain rock...
>>
>> On Friday, May 31, 2019 at 8:05:20 AM UTC-7 Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>>> Can someone explain the awesome advantage hand grinders have over my 
>>> little electric Krupps? I assume it has to do with heat affecting final 
>>> taste. But has BQ done any testing in this area? Kidding aside, does it 
>>> matter that much? Or is it mostly just the artisanal aspect? Which is fine, 
>>> too. 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: going down the Brooks rabbit hole...

[Pam Bikes]

I'm nose up since I like setback and I'm short and the rails angle my 
(saddle) nose up when I slide it all the way back and I have a weird size 
seatpost  I'd post a picture but don't want too many comments that I 
always get.  I sit on the back not on the front where the nose is up.  
That's why it's that way.

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 6:53:29 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 23, 2022, at 5:35 PM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> RMRO asked " So I have a question; what is this weird science at play 
> that is so counter intuitive? Nose up says crotch pressure to me. How does 
> this work?"
>
>
> I always thought the 'nose up' is required since the B17 shape is like a 
> hammock, you need the nose up very slightly to get the sit bones in the 
> right position.  Too much, gets you in the numbing area.  So it's bit of 
> experimenting since every one is different.  Some pictures I've seen show 
> what I think would be excessive nose up for me, but obliviously is OK with 
> the rider
>
> I find a good nose up position and then use a digital angle finder on the 
> straight section just behind to saddle nose to measure how much 'up' I 
> got.   This location seems repeatable since it away from the hammock 
> section.  Eyeballing it is also good.
>
> Been using B17's and VO Model 3's exclusively.  The VO Model 3 seems as 
> good as the B17, IMHO.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 2:00:55 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> So I installed the B67 this morning and experimented a little. I was 
>> pretty precise about positioning the same as the SQ. I started with the 
>> saddle dead level. Very short ride had me sliding off the saddle - forward. 
>> But it felt ok just slippery. So I figured perhaps that is why I see so 
>> many Brooks with nose up. So I cranked it up. Felt amazing! But after just 
>> a mile I got off & sensed a tiny bit of pressure where none of us want it. 
>> So I dropped it a little. The sky’s cleared & I ride that way for over an 
>> hour. Pretty good. No sliding, no pressure. Cautiously optimistic. 
>> So I have a question; what is this weird science at play that is so 
>> counter intuitive? Nose up says crotch pressure to me. How does this work?
>> And yes, the B67 squeaks a bit. And yes, it’s a boat anchor. Neither of 
>> which concerns me too much.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 23, 2022, at 1:19 PM, 'JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> I’m 140#s, rode. B67 when I was about 150, maybe a bit less.  I never 
>> noticed anything from the springs.  I used a B68 (no springs) for years, 
>> sold them all stupidly but the 17 seems to work well for me.  I got a bit 
>> of chafing from the B68 flare but should have put a couple of holes in it 
>> and tied with shoe laces.  Sounds like the 67 should work great for you.  
>>
>> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 11:32 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>> Using the SQ “fit kit” (piece of corrugated cardboard!) I get a 
>> consistent measurement of 110mm. The second part of the SQ method for 
>> choosing the right saddle is to add between 10-50 mm to this measurement 
>> base on your posture on the bike. Based on my slightly forward leaning 
>> position I would add 30-40mm, so my saddle is 140mm wide. I realize that 
>> the B17 should be wide enough to perhaps solve my problem. However, I had a 
>> B67 for a short while and liked it a lot on my previous bike. I never got 
>> it dialed in however & in any event the springs made it impractical to use 
>> my bikepacking seatbag - not enough clearance on that 29+ Jones bike. That 
>> is not a problem on the Clem being a 650b bike. And I got a super price on 
>> this B67 so thought I’d give it another shot.
>> Interestingly I contacted SQ about my situation. They referred to my bike 
>> as a “Dutch” bike! Their suggestion was their 621 model, which very much 
>> resembles the shape of the B67, albeit with substantial padding. It would 
>> be 180 wide. One of the things I really like about the “Active” SQ saddles 
>> is the very subtle rocking motion while pedaling. Rivendell / Grant mention 
>> a similarity subtle rocking motion from the springs on the B67. I hope my 
>> 170lbs. is enough to feel that.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 23, 2022, at 10:23 AM, 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> How wide is the SQ saddle? I have very narrow sitbones and can ride a 
>> B17 at 50-60 degrees so not totally upright.  There are some easy ways to 
>> measure your sitbone width.  
>> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:51:23 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> If that doesn't work out and you feel adventurous, try a Selle Royal 
>>> Lookin Womens saddle, the Moderate is 198mm wide, if not there is the 
>>> relaxed version about 228mm. These have a sweet

[RBW] Re: Items FS: Bridgestone RB-1, Albastache Bars, Stems, & more

[Austin B.]

*Updates...*

*1989 Bridgestone RB-1 63cm - $450 - SOLD*
Details are in the Facebook post. Prefer a local sale but I will ship to 
list members at buyer's expense. Can arrange a meetup in the DMV area. Link 
to Facebook posting. 


Nitto Albastache Handlebars - 26.0 clamp, clean and no tape residue - $65
Nitto Dirt Drop Stem, 80mm, 26.0 clamp - $40
Nitto Tallux Stem, 80mm, 26.0 clamp - $40 *SOLD*
Nitto Technomic, 100mm, 26.0 clamp (kinda scratched) - $15 *SOLD*
VO Quill Stem, 90mm, 26.0 clamp - $20
Soma Layback Seatpost, Black, 27.2mm - $15 *SOLD*
Shimano 105 Crankset, 175mm, 50/34 - $35

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 12:32:53 PM UTC-4 Austin B. wrote:

> *1989 Bridgestone RB-1 63cm - $450 - SOLD*
> Details are in the Facebook post. Prefer a local sale but I will ship to 
> list members at buyer's expense. Can arrange a meetup in the DMV area. Link 
> to Facebook posting. 
> 
>
> Nitto Albastache Handlebars - 26.0 clamp, clean and no tape residue - $65
> Nitto Dirt Drop Stem, 80mm, 26.0 clamp - $40
> Nitto Tallux Stem, 80mm, 26.0 clamp - $40 *SOLD PENDING PICKUP*
> Nitto Technomic, 100mm, 26.0 clamp (kinda scratched) - $15 *SOLD PENDING 
> PICKUP*
> VO Quill Stem, 90mm, 26.0 clamp - $20
> Soma Layback Seatpost, Black, 27.2mm - $15
> Shimano 105 Crankset, 175mm, 50/34 - $35
>
> On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 11:51:07 AM UTC-4 Austin B. wrote:
>
>> Update:
>>
>> *1989 Bridgestone RB-1 63cm - $450*
>> Details are in the Facebook post. Prefer a local sale but I will ship to 
>> list members at buyer's expense. Can arrange a meetup in the DMV area. Link 
>> to Facebook posting. 
>> 
>>
>> Nitto Albastache Handlebars - 26.0 clamp, clean and no tape residue - $65
>> Nitto Dirt Drop Stem, 80mm, 26.0 clamp - $40
>> Nitto Tallux Stem, 80mm, 26.0 clamp - $40 *SOLD PENDING PAYMENT*
>> Nitto Technomic, 100mm, 26.0 clamp (kinda scratched) - $15 *SOLD PENDING 
>> PAYMENT*
>> VO Quill Stem, 90mm, 26.0 clamp - $20
>> Soma Layback Seatpost, Black, 27.2mm - $15
>> Shimano 105 Crankset, 175mm, 50/34 - $35
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 8:54:56 AM UTC-4 Austin B. wrote:
>>
>>> Correction, the Tallux stem is 80mm.
>>>
>>> *Various bits and bobs (link to Google Photos album for pics 
>>> ):*
>>> Nitto Albastache Handlebars - 26.0 clamp, clean and no tape residue - $65
>>> Nitto Dirt Drop Stem, 80mm, 26.0 clamp - $40
>>> Nitto Tallux Stem, 80mm, 26.0 clamp - $40
>>> Nitto Technomic, 100mm, 26.0 clamp (kinda scratched) - $15
>>> VO Quill Stem, 90mm, 26.0 clamp - $20
>>> Soma Layback Seatpost, Black, 27.2mm - $15
>>> Shimano 105 Crankset, 175mm, 50/34 - $35
>>> On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 8:53:10 AM UTC-4 Austin B. wrote:
>>>
 Continuing the downsizing of my bike stable...

 *1989 Bridgestone RB-1 63cm - $450*
 Details are in the Facebook post. Prefer a local sale but I will ship 
 to list members at buyer's expense. Can arrange a meetup in the DMV area. 
 Link 
 to Facebook posting. 
 

 *Various bits and bobs (link to Google Photos album for pics 
 ):*
 Nitto Albastache Handlebars - 26.0 clamp, clean and no tape residue - 
 $65
 Nitto Dirt Drop Stem, 80mm, 26.0 clamp - $40
 Nitto Tallux Stem, 90mm, 26.0 clamp - $40
 Nitto Technomic, 100mm, 26.0 clamp (kinda scratched) - $15
 VO Quill Stem, 90mm, 26.0 clamp - $20
 Soma Layback Seatpost, Black, 27.2mm - $15
 Shimano 105 Crankset, 175mm, 50/34 - $35

 Buyers pay shipping. Can combine multiple items.

 Thanks,
 Austin B.
 Sykesville, MD

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Where in the world has your Riv been?

[Bill Lindsay]

Here's another way, perhaps unconventional way, to quantify "well 
traveled":  I've been using Strava to record miles since 2014.  I've been 
using Wandrer since 2020 to quantify where I've been.  I just recently 
passed 0.01%.  I've ridden 1 ten-thousandth of the rideable roads on planet 
Earth (according to Open WSM).  I'm closing in on 1% of the state of 
California.  A goodly amount of that mileage has been on a number of 
Rivendells in my stable.  It is indeed possible to be adventurous close to 
home.  

I am #1 on the Wandrer Leaderboard for Contra Costa County California, the 
county where I live, and where Rivendell Bicycle Works happens to be.  I'm 
also #1 in Calaveras County and #4 in Alameda County.  I've got a growing 
footprint in Wayne County Michigan, where my Sam Hillborne lives.  
 Wandring is kind of like the OCD version of aimless wandering.  Haha.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 5:26:15 AM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> In the thread 'Riding the Levees', Patrick muses about getting riding 
> photos from all over into one album. I'll just add, wouldn't it be 
> wonderful to have a photo of a Riv in every country of the world? Unlikely, 
> maybe, but Rivs have been around for a while and people do travel. I've 
> lived in a few different countries and traveled to others with my Hunq, so 
> I'll kick it off with China,  Nepal, New Zealand, and Japan. 
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2022-03-15 at 21.15.55.png]
> Jiangsu, China
>
> [image: Annapurna.jpg]
> Annapurna Circuit, Nepal
>
> [image: Motu.jpg]
> Motu, New Zealand
>
> [image: Fuji.jpg]
> Fuji, Lake Yamanako, Japan
>
> Cheers, John
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Riv 50/52 Step Through (Platypus, Clem L, Cheviot)

[Johnny Alien]

Crust listed some complete Clems and I was able to grab one. Since I have 
some parts I wants to use I am going to be listing up some parts from this 
soon. If anyone is interested in a silver crankset or the new 650B wheelset 
on this thing before I list them feel free to hit them up. I am probably 
going to sell the derailers too because I have an Altus rear that I am 
eager to try.

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 8:00:31 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I passed the info along about the complete so hopefully someone from here 
> grabbed it. It was decked out nicely so didn't work for me with my 
> stockpile of parts.  All taht's to say...still looking! Thanks
>
> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 3:51:20 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Thanks for that info!! It sounds like I would be in the same boat. So I 
>> could potentially do a 55 Cheviot but would probably prefer a 50. For sure 
>> don't want to go to a 55 in the Platy
>>
>> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 3:46:03 PM UTC-4 Dorothy C wrote:
>>
>>> Johnny, the Platy/Cheviot sizing is a bit different in the middle size. 
>>> The 55 Cheviot is 650b wheel size, but the 55 Platy is 700c. 
>>> I have a 55 Cheviot and I am 81cm pbh, but I would have been better off 
>>> on the 50cm Platy had I decided to switch bikes. 
>>> Will mentioned the size difference somewhere
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 12:40:03 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 I think I’d need a 55 but I don’t see a listing for that bike anywhere. 
 Doug

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 19, 2022, at 3:31 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:

 I talked to them so more about it but it just doesn't make sense for 
 me financially right now. Parting it or selling the parts that I had set 
 aside for this build would end up with me paying more for the frame then I 
 would for a new one. But for someone needing a complete its a fair deal.



 On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 3:02:29 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> Is the Platy is Cambridge a 50 or 55?
> Doug
>
> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 10:09:15 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I got a hot tip from Leah on a Platy in Cambridge however it is being 
>> sold as a complete and the price is fair but since I have so many parts 
>> its 
>> a pain to pay the higher price and try and offload a bunch of parts to 
>> compensate. If anyone is interested shoot me a message and I will give 
>> you 
>> the info. Or if someone wants to buy a bike load of nice Riv pats/wheels 
>> etc let me know and maybe we can partner up.  Otherwise I am still on 
>> the 
>> hunt. :)
>>
>> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 8:31:30 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I was planning on taking a shot at a Rosco Platy but now it sounds 
>>> like they are pushed until May. It's still a solid plan and I will wait 
>>> if 
>>> need be but I am going to throw out a feeler as well. Would prefer just 
>>> a 
>>> frame as I have all of the parts but could be fine with getting one 
>>> more 
>>> complete if its the right thing.  I would need a 50 Platy or Cheviot 
>>> (they 
>>> came in the same sizes right?) or a 52 Clem L. I need something with V 
>>> brakes so I think those are the only step throughs that use them.
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Clem L complete

[Max S]

Lovely bike, Marc, and whoever bought it. 

If there's another 52 cm mustard Clem L that someone wants to sell, please 
drop me a note! 

- Max "I step away from the list for a week and this happens!.." in A2

On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-4 Marc R wrote:

> Sold
>
> On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 10:33:42 PM UTC-7 Marc R wrote:
>
>> SPF,  thanks for the interest and inquiries
>>
>> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:29:29 PM UTC-7 Friend wrote:
>>
>>> Got any more pictures?
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 4:03:53 PM UTC-4 zac.te...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 pm sent

 On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 4:07:11 PM UTC-7 Marc R wrote:

> Purchased new (2016) from RBW, ridden around town only.
> I bought a larger size so am selling this one.
>
> Standard Riv build, mustard color, with:
> Rene Hearse Switchback Hill tires
> SKS fenders
> Wald Clem Bosco Basket
> $1600
>
> prefer local (NorCal) sale
>
> Cheers,
> Marc
> Davis, CA
>
> [image: IMG_0253.jpeg]
>


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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Clem L complete

[Johnny Alien]

Max, its not a mustard but Crust bikes has a complete lime green one 
available right now.

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 11:04:15 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:

> Lovely bike, Marc, and whoever bought it. 
>
> If there's another 52 cm mustard Clem L that someone wants to sell, please 
> drop me a note! 
>
> - Max "I step away from the list for a week and this happens!.." in A2
>
> On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-4 Marc R wrote:
>
>> Sold
>>
>> On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 10:33:42 PM UTC-7 Marc R wrote:
>>
>>> SPF,  thanks for the interest and inquiries
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:29:29 PM UTC-7 Friend wrote:
>>>
 Got any more pictures?

 On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 4:03:53 PM UTC-4 zac.te...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> pm sent
>
> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 4:07:11 PM UTC-7 Marc R wrote:
>
>> Purchased new (2016) from RBW, ridden around town only.
>> I bought a larger size so am selling this one.
>>
>> Standard Riv build, mustard color, with:
>> Rene Hearse Switchback Hill tires
>> SKS fenders
>> Wald Clem Bosco Basket
>> $1600
>>
>> prefer local (NorCal) sale
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Marc
>> Davis, CA
>>
>> [image: IMG_0253.jpeg]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Riv 50/52 Step Through (Platypus, Clem L, Cheviot)

[DD]

Johnny, thanks for the tip on Crust stock. Tempted to grab a 45 for my
spouse.

Does anyone know the timeline for Riv to get Clems in again? And do they
only sell Clem Completes now? Or can you still grab just a frame from time
to time?

-Danny

On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 9:42 PM Johnny Alien 
wrote:

> Crust listed some complete Clems and I was able to grab one. Since I have
> some parts I wants to use I am going to be listing up some parts from this
> soon. If anyone is interested in a silver crankset or the new 650B wheelset
> on this thing before I list them feel free to hit them up. I am probably
> going to sell the derailers too because I have an Altus rear that I am
> eager to try.
>
> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 8:00:31 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I passed the info along about the complete so hopefully someone from here
>> grabbed it. It was decked out nicely so didn't work for me with my
>> stockpile of parts.  All taht's to say...still looking! Thanks
>>
>> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 3:51:20 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for that info!! It sounds like I would be in the same boat. So I
>>> could potentially do a 55 Cheviot but would probably prefer a 50. For sure
>>> don't want to go to a 55 in the Platy
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 3:46:03 PM UTC-4 Dorothy C wrote:
>>>
 Johnny, the Platy/Cheviot sizing is a bit different in the middle size.
 The 55 Cheviot is 650b wheel size, but the 55 Platy is 700c.
 I have a 55 Cheviot and I am 81cm pbh, but I would have been better off
 on the 50cm Platy had I decided to switch bikes.
 Will mentioned the size difference somewhere

 On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 12:40:03 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> I think I’d need a 55 but I don’t see a listing for that bike
> anywhere.
> Doug
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 19, 2022, at 3:31 PM, Johnny Alien 
> wrote:
>
> I talked to them so more about it but it just doesn't make sense for
> me financially right now. Parting it or selling the parts that I had set
> aside for this build would end up with me paying more for the frame then I
> would for a new one. But for someone needing a complete its a fair deal.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 3:02:29 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Is the Platy is Cambridge a 50 or 55?
>> Doug
>>
>> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 10:09:15 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I got a hot tip from Leah on a Platy in Cambridge however it is
>>> being sold as a complete and the price is fair but since I have so many
>>> parts its a pain to pay the higher price and try and offload a bunch of
>>> parts to compensate. If anyone is interested shoot me a message and I 
>>> will
>>> give you the info. Or if someone wants to buy a bike load of nice Riv
>>> pats/wheels etc let me know and maybe we can partner up.  Otherwise I am
>>> still on the hunt. :)
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 8:31:30 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I was planning on taking a shot at a Rosco Platy but now it sounds
 like they are pushed until May. It's still a solid plan and I will 
 wait if
 need be but I am going to throw out a feeler as well. Would prefer 
 just a
 frame as I have all of the parts but could be fine with getting one 
 more
 complete if its the right thing.  I would need a 50 Platy or Cheviot 
 (they
 came in the same sizes right?) or a 52 Clem L. I need something with V
 brakes so I think those are the only step throughs that use them.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Riv 50/52 Step Through (Platypus, Clem L, Cheviot)

[Jacob Lopez]

Dee Dee, I think Clems are going to be available again toward the fall of 
this year (?).   Someone correct me if I'm wrong.  I think somewhere on the 
site there was a rough estimate for availabilities written on a piece of 
cardboard or something lol.  

Not sure if this is the place to post this, so let me know if I'm wrong.  
And sorry if I'm preaching to the choir, but I just wanted to share in case 
it is useful, because I found it to be useful for my own edification.  But 
regarding the Clem L's (since I too was searching for a great while before 
I found one) I wanted to say that the early Clem L's have a shorter wheel 
base than the more recent ones of the last couple (few?) years.  Apparently 
they are really different bikes altogether because of the different 
wheelbases and slacker headtube (?)!  There is a great discussion in the 
group about Riv's expanding wheelbase throughout the years especially on 
the Clem L.

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:15:09 PM UTC-7 Dee Dee wrote:

> Johnny, thanks for the tip on Crust stock. Tempted to grab a 45 for my 
> spouse.
>
> Does anyone know the timeline for Riv to get Clems in again? And do they 
> only sell Clem Completes now? Or can you still grab just a frame from time 
> to time?
>
> -Danny
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 9:42 PM Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
>> Crust listed some complete Clems and I was able to grab one. Since I have 
>> some parts I wants to use I am going to be listing up some parts from this 
>> soon. If anyone is interested in a silver crankset or the new 650B wheelset 
>> on this thing before I list them feel free to hit them up. I am probably 
>> going to sell the derailers too because I have an Altus rear that I am 
>> eager to try.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 8:00:31 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I passed the info along about the complete so hopefully someone from 
>>> here grabbed it. It was decked out nicely so didn't work for me with my 
>>> stockpile of parts.  All taht's to say...still looking! Thanks
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 3:51:20 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for that info!! It sounds like I would be in the same boat. So I 
 could potentially do a 55 Cheviot but would probably prefer a 50. For sure 
 don't want to go to a 55 in the Platy

 On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 3:46:03 PM UTC-4 Dorothy C wrote:

> Johnny, the Platy/Cheviot sizing is a bit different in the middle 
> size. The 55 Cheviot is 650b wheel size, but the 55 Platy is 700c. 
> I have a 55 Cheviot and I am 81cm pbh, but I would have been better 
> off on the 50cm Platy had I decided to switch bikes. 
> Will mentioned the size difference somewhere
>
> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 12:40:03 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I think I’d need a 55 but I don’t see a listing for that bike 
>> anywhere. 
>> Doug
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 19, 2022, at 3:31 PM, Johnny Alien  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I talked to them so more about it but it just doesn't make sense for 
>> me financially right now. Parting it or selling the parts that I had set 
>> aside for this build would end up with me paying more for the frame then 
>> I 
>> would for a new one. But for someone needing a complete its a fair deal.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 3:02:29 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Is the Platy is Cambridge a 50 or 55?
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 10:09:15 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I got a hot tip from Leah on a Platy in Cambridge however it is 
 being sold as a complete and the price is fair but since I have so 
 many 
 parts its a pain to pay the higher price and try and offload a bunch 
 of 
 parts to compensate. If anyone is interested shoot me a message and I 
 will 
 give you the info. Or if someone wants to buy a bike load of nice Riv 
 pats/wheels etc let me know and maybe we can partner up.  Otherwise I 
 am 
 still on the hunt. :)

 On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 8:31:30 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I was planning on taking a shot at a Rosco Platy but now it sounds 
> like they are pushed until May. It's still a solid plan and I will 
> wait if 
> need be but I am going to throw out a feeler as well. Would prefer 
> just a 
> frame as I have all of the parts but could be fine with getting one 
> more 
> complete if its the right thing.  I would need a 50 Platy or Cheviot 
> (they 
> came in the same sizes right?) or a 52 Clem L. I need something with 
> V 
> brakes so I think those are the only step throughs that use them.

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[RBW] WTB: Choco Bars and 8cm (or 10cm) Tallux

[Collin A]

Heyo

Anyone holding onto some choco bars they want to get rid of? I normally run 
simworks fun3 bars on my Appaloosa with a 6cm faceplater stem, but the 
broken ribs mean I need a less aggressive position for several weeks.

I've got billie bars on my commuter and they feel fine, so I'd like to find 
another set of uprightish bars and figured I can try something new while I 
am at it. The stem is a "nice to have," but I could also just buy a 25.4 to 
31.8 adapter and be perfectly content.

Thanks,
Collin in Sact(ow)n

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Re: [RBW] Re: going down the Brooks rabbit hole...

[J J]

I've tried nose up, and even slightly raised it is numbing. Level works 
best for me. When I slide nose up it's uncomfortable. Sliding level is 
never a problem. I ride a B67 with chrome springs. I'm a big fellow, and it 
sometimes feels bouncy to me, not so much a rocking motion. The saddle 
makes noise over bumps and during aggressive stretches. It's like a bird 
chirping throughout the ride. I've come to find it very pleasant — and it 
gently signals my approach to others.

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 9:15:32 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I'm nose up since I like setback and I'm short and the rails angle my 
> (saddle) nose up when I slide it all the way back and I have a weird size 
> seatpost  I'd post a picture but don't want too many comments that I 
> always get.  I sit on the back not on the front where the nose is up.  
> That's why it's that way.
>
> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 6:53:29 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 23, 2022, at 5:35 PM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> RMRO asked " So I have a question; what is this weird science at play 
>> that is so counter intuitive? Nose up says crotch pressure to me. How does 
>> this work?"
>>
>>
>> I always thought the 'nose up' is required since the B17 shape is like a 
>> hammock, you need the nose up very slightly to get the sit bones in the 
>> right position.  Too much, gets you in the numbing area.  So it's bit of 
>> experimenting since every one is different.  Some pictures I've seen show 
>> what I think would be excessive nose up for me, but obliviously is OK with 
>> the rider
>>
>> I find a good nose up position and then use a digital angle finder on the 
>> straight section just behind to saddle nose to measure how much 'up' I 
>> got.   This location seems repeatable since it away from the hammock 
>> section.  Eyeballing it is also good.
>>
>> Been using B17's and VO Model 3's exclusively.  The VO Model 3 seems as 
>> good as the B17, IMHO.
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 2:00:55 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> So I installed the B67 this morning and experimented a little. I was 
>>> pretty precise about positioning the same as the SQ. I started with the 
>>> saddle dead level. Very short ride had me sliding off the saddle - forward. 
>>> But it felt ok just slippery. So I figured perhaps that is why I see so 
>>> many Brooks with nose up. So I cranked it up. Felt amazing! But after just 
>>> a mile I got off & sensed a tiny bit of pressure where none of us want it. 
>>> So I dropped it a little. The sky’s cleared & I ride that way for over an 
>>> hour. Pretty good. No sliding, no pressure. Cautiously optimistic. 
>>> So I have a question; what is this weird science at play that is so 
>>> counter intuitive? Nose up says crotch pressure to me. How does this work?
>>> And yes, the B67 squeaks a bit. And yes, it’s a boat anchor. Neither of 
>>> which concerns me too much.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 23, 2022, at 1:19 PM, 'JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m 140#s, rode. B67 when I was about 150, maybe a bit less.  I never 
>>> noticed anything from the springs.  I used a B68 (no springs) for years, 
>>> sold them all stupidly but the 17 seems to work well for me.  I got a bit 
>>> of chafing from the B68 flare but should have put a couple of holes in it 
>>> and tied with shoe laces.  Sounds like the 67 should work great for you.  
>>>
>>> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 11:32 AM, Richard Rose  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Using the SQ “fit kit” (piece of corrugated cardboard!) I get a 
>>> consistent measurement of 110mm. The second part of the SQ method for 
>>> choosing the right saddle is to add between 10-50 mm to this measurement 
>>> base on your posture on the bike. Based on my slightly forward leaning 
>>> position I would add 30-40mm, so my saddle is 140mm wide. I realize that 
>>> the B17 should be wide enough to perhaps solve my problem. However, I had a 
>>> B67 for a short while and liked it a lot on my previous bike. I never got 
>>> it dialed in however & in any event the springs made it impractical to use 
>>> my bikepacking seatbag - not enough clearance on that 29+ Jones bike. That 
>>> is not a problem on the Clem being a 650b bike. And I got a super price on 
>>> this B67 so thought I’d give it another shot.
>>> Interestingly I contacted SQ about my situation. They referred to my 
>>> bike as a “Dutch” bike! Their suggestion was their 621 model, which very 
>>> much resembles the shape of the B67, albeit with substantial padding. It 
>>> would be 180 wide. One of the things I really like about the “Active” SQ 
>>> saddles is the very subtle rocking motion while pedaling. Rivendell / Grant 
>>> mention a similarity subtle rocking motion from the springs 

Re: [RBW] Re: Hub sounds in Kraftwerk's Tour de France: 1983 and 2003

[rltilley]

Gotta say that Trans Europe Express is my favorite as well. I have tickets to 
see their 3D show here in July. The last one was cancelled due to COVID so 
hopefully this goes on as planned.

I need to track down the original Tour de France and check it out. I only have 
the 2003 version.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

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> On Mar 23, 2022, at 3:01 PM, Nick Payne  wrote:
> 
> 
> Back in 2015 Kraftwerk played a gig at the TdF Grand Depart in Utrecht.
> 
> There's an interview in Rolling Stone with Ralf Hütter where he talks about 
> their long association with cycling: 
> https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/kraftwerk-on-cycling-3d-spiritual-connection-to-detroit-56548/.
> 
> My favourite Kraftwerk album, though, is not Tour de France Soundtracks, but 
> Trans-Europe Express.
> 
> Nick
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