Re: [RBW] Re: Dealing with wind

[Ryan]

Hah! That reminds me of my own experience in the early 90's when my son was 
a toddler and I was in my much fitter early forties. I had my hot-rod 
Cannondale M2000 mountain bike and the excellent Burley D'Lite trailer to 
haul my son, picnic , and paraphernalia required for a small child. One of 
our favorite trips was out to Fort Whyte Nature preserve in the southwest 
part of Winnipeg. Fort Whyte is still there , but the surrounding area is 
now developed. They have since  paved over Paradise; but back when we rode 
out there in the 90's , the 5 or 6 miles south of Assiniboine Park were 
rural with horse farms and a mixture of gravel and hard-packed road leading 
to Fort Whyte. In the spring and summer I would be riding into a stiff 
headwind. If I was lucky, after several hours at the little museum, a 
picnic , and time for Marston in the playground, I would get a nice push 
home. It was a workout. Like you, I remember our wanderings to Fort Whyte 
and other destinations on that Cannondale hauling the trailer with great 
fondness, since I didn't  and don't own a car and I lived downtown. Which 
did have child-friendly spaces such as the Forks and museums and small 
parks not too far from where I lived. 

On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 4:17:55 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Speaking of headwinds: Back when I was a youthful 48-50 and my daughter 
> was 2 or 3, we had a Saturday morning routine where I'd pull her in the 
> 2-person trailer on grocery shopping (second space was for groceries) trips 
> and then do a South-th-back-North out and back on the Rio Grande paved 
> path, at least downtown to the Explora! children's museum, often into a 
> strong Southerly. 67" gear and wide trailer, but I must have enjoyed it 
> hugely because I still remember those rides vividly and with great pleasure.
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 3:12 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> I certainly won't blame you! I'm fortunate that my grocery runs are 
>> (almost always) flat runs, the stores being North and South of me so that I 
>> ride parallel to the river with literally just a few feet of elevation 
>> change either way. It's when I ride East or West, I get the hills.
>>
>> But after riding fixed into winds for years, having lower gears for winds 
>> (and hills) feels decadent, as if I'm shirking duty. But I get over it.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 12:21 PM Christine Rose  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe this is heresy here, but I ride my ebike on windy days. Hauling 
>>> groceries uphill into the wind is doable for me, but I'm absolutely 
>>> miserable on my Clem when I do it. I can't haul as much on my ebike, but 
>>> putting it into turbo on those days puts me into the best of moods!
>>> Christine in Denver
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 11:36:14 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I ask those of you who often ride in high winds: How do you deal with 
 strong headwinds when you are sitting bolt upright, particularly if you 
 are 
 riding a Quickbeam or Uno?

 Winds require more power, so a bolt upright position is tiring both 
 because of wind resistance, and because an insufficient angle between 
 torso 
 and hips means it's hard to generate torque -- or so I've always found.

 So if you are riding a bike set up like this one, how do you deal with 
 strong headwinds?

 [image: image.png]

 Here in Albuquerque we are entering Spring Wind season -- ABQ is breezy 
 year round, in fact -- which can start as early as late February and last 
 through June in a bad year; but routine W and SW winds of 20 mph with 
 gusts 
 to 40 not uncommon are common from late March through May.

 When I started riding fixed a great deal back about the turn of the 
 20th century I found headwinds hugely annoying, and it took me several 
 years to overcome the biggest handicap, a mental one, by, basically, 
 reducing my expectations. You learn to accept riding at half speed in 
 order 
 to maintain sustainable levels of exertion.

 But I also fine tuned my bikes' setup and my riding position so that I 
 can ride in the hooks of drop bars for several miles at a stretch, and I 
 certainly find that riding low makes a huge difference to reducing the 
 wind's force and to making it easier to generate pedal force.

 Now, 67, I've finally conceded the need to compensate for failing 
 strength with newfangled technology, and when a ride involves headwinds I 
 have a choice of drivetrains with multiple gears you can shift from the 
 saddle. The Matthews 1 has a 2X10 derailleur system, Matthews 2 has the 
 72"/65"/56" hub gear -- 65" is just right for long shallow inclines and 
 modest headwinds on the flat, but I occasionaly find the 56" low a relief 
 for strong winds even on flat surfaces; and the 1999 Joe Starck gofast 
 will 
 God willing [rims and hubs sent off to Earle Young last Frid

[RBW] Re: Exploring Interest: 54 cm Hunqapillar for sale

[Gideon Tsang]

Sold!

On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 7:48:59 PM UTC-6 Gideon Tsang wrote:

> Sale pending
>
> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 1:18:39 PM UTC-6 Gideon Tsang wrote:
>
>> Hey all, 
>>
>> I'm considering selling my USA made 54cm Hunqapillar. I love it and 
>> currently not riding it enough to justify keeping it in my stable. I'm 
>> thinking $3K shipped? 
>>
>> The photos are pretty much how it looks now with the exception of new 
>> Rene Here tires. Here are some links from my Instagram of the many 
>> iterations of my Hunq:
>>
>> Basket 
>> Skid 
>> Framebag 
>> Fog 
>> West Texas 
>> 
>> New Mexico 
>> 
>> National Forest 
>> 
>> Bridge 
>> Staged 
>> Bike Stand 
>> 
>> Big Tires 
>> Grid 
>>
>> Nitto seat post
>> Nitto Bullmoose Cockpit
>> Nitto front rack
>> Brooks Gp1 Ergonomic Leather Grips
>> Brooks Saddle
>> Sugino 1x crank
>> Shimano XT 10 speed group
>> 26″ x 2.3″ Rene Herse Humptulips Ridge TC Tires (almost new & not 
>> pictured)
>> XTR hubs laced to Velocity Blunt Rims (currently tubeless)
>>
>> (Willing to include bags for extra) 
>> (No pedals and cages) 
>>
>> Let me know if there's any interest!
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Share some pictures: Raw steel bikes

[Eric Marth]

Thanks, Robert! Is this totally raw or is it raw with a clear coat and the 
patina is under the clear? I ask because I'd figure a raw steel frame would 
weather more quickly that the time frame you mention. I am prepared to be 
wrong about this assumption!

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 12:59:00 AM UTC-4 Robert Hakim wrote:

> Eric, 
>
> While it's not the style of bike that I would normally post on this forum, 
> you may enjoy the pictures in this album of my Waltworks mountain bike. 
> I've left it raw through two seasons of riding and I think it is 
> interesting to look back on how the finish has changed. I'm thinking about 
> having it media blasted and powder coated this year. 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/p4FpnrQyZe7Xv7o46
>
> Happy riding! 
> -Robert
>
> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 5:15:57 PM UTC-8 eliu01 wrote:
>
>> Here's my wife's custom Frances 650b road bike.
>>
>> [image: 5719885899_84d077f5ab_o.jpg]
>>
>> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 10:20:09 AM UTC-8 lkbr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Eric,
>>>
>>> Here is a photo of my 1980 Trek mystery model in a pewter color. I know 
>>> it's not quite raw steel, but it's fun to imagine what's underneath and 
>>> consider what makes steel more exciting than steel-colored paint.  
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Bunny
>>>
>>> [image: MediumRareTrek.png]
>>> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 11:20:45 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm working on a project and considering going the raw steel finish 
 route, with a clear. 

 I hope people can share some pictures of raw steel bikes for 
 inspiration. 

 Here are a few images I've saved.

- Lyle's Rivendell Rambouillet 
   - Oil buffed in with scotchbrite pads 
- Sal's Trek 950
   - Raw with clear shellac 
- This Rivendell Glorious from facebook
   - I believe these got a clear powdercoat


 [image: download.jpg]
 [image: 37166652_218919018822897_3133483443376095232_n.jpg]
 [image: 272456597_6980658778672856_3904882088288009621_n.jpg]

>>>

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[RBW] Re: FT: Brooks B17 Saddles

[Sofie C]

Pending trade, thank you for the interest. 

On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 1:25:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> Here is a pic of the Professional S, the same saddle along side a regular 
> Professional for comparison, and another one of the bolt-on bag loop 
> adapter you'd need if you use saddle bags.  Also, here is a link to the 
> Brooks website's description of the Professional S, it's dimensions, and a 
> photo or two.  
> https://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/team-pro-special-short.html  Now that 
> you've posted some pics of your saddles looks like some interest is 
> beginning to pick up.
>
> [image: DSCN0986.JPG]
> [image: DSCN0987.JPG]
> [image: DSCN0988.JPG]
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 8:09:11 AM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Pics of the two saddles at this link: 
>> https://www.icloud.com/photos/#0b9glo4z6j2IUM8sDaasXliBA
>>
>> George, can you tell me more about the professional saddle - I'm not 
>> familiar with this model. If it's any narrower than the B17, then it 
>> probably wouldn't work for me, but, I would love to see pics!
>>
>> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 10:04:16 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Oops.  I took another look at my short nosed Brooks saddle and it's a 
>>> "Professional S", not a "B17s."  That means a shorter nose, but the width 
>>> of a Brooks Pro and NO bag loops.  If you want those I can include a "bolt 
>>> on" bag loop adapter in the trade if you would still be interested in that 
>>> kind of saddle.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 8:35:35 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 OK, thanks.  I'll do the same with my B17S.


 On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 8:26:30 PM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi George, yes I should have been more clear - it is the one with the 
> large copper rivets. Happy to post a pic tomorrow!
>
> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 9:16:49 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> I want to make sure I understand your "black special".  Is that the 
>> one with the large copper rivets and the chamfered edge on the leather 
>> along the bottom edge?  If so, I have a black B17S with those same 
>> characteristics that I might be willing to trade.
>>
>> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 5:39:58 PM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I've got two Brooks b17 saddles (honey regular, and black special) 
>>> to trade - neither of them are broken in yet. I'm looking to ideally 
>>> trade 
>>> them for the short nosed versions, B17S, B67s, or B68. I'm open to 
>>> trying 
>>> other saddle shapes as well, or would also possibly trade for a 
>>> Sackville 
>>> bag.  Located in Massachusetts!
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FT: Brooks B17 Saddles

[Sofie C]

Sorry - Honey B17 still available, Black B17 special is pending trade.

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 10:56:09 AM UTC-4 Sofie C wrote:

> Pending trade, thank you for the interest. 
>
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 1:25:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Here is a pic of the Professional S, the same saddle along side a regular 
>> Professional for comparison, and another one of the bolt-on bag loop 
>> adapter you'd need if you use saddle bags.  Also, here is a link to the 
>> Brooks website's description of the Professional S, it's dimensions, and a 
>> photo or two.  
>> https://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/team-pro-special-short.html  Now 
>> that you've posted some pics of your saddles looks like some interest is 
>> beginning to pick up.
>>
>> [image: DSCN0986.JPG]
>> [image: DSCN0987.JPG]
>> [image: DSCN0988.JPG]
>> On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 8:09:11 AM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Pics of the two saddles at this link: 
>>> https://www.icloud.com/photos/#0b9glo4z6j2IUM8sDaasXliBA
>>>
>>> George, can you tell me more about the professional saddle - I'm not 
>>> familiar with this model. If it's any narrower than the B17, then it 
>>> probably wouldn't work for me, but, I would love to see pics!
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 10:04:16 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 Oops.  I took another look at my short nosed Brooks saddle and it's a 
 "Professional S", not a "B17s."  That means a shorter nose, but the width 
 of a Brooks Pro and NO bag loops.  If you want those I can include a "bolt 
 on" bag loop adapter in the trade if you would still be interested in that 
 kind of saddle.


 On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 8:35:35 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> OK, thanks.  I'll do the same with my B17S.
>
>
> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 8:26:30 PM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi George, yes I should have been more clear - it is the one with the 
>> large copper rivets. Happy to post a pic tomorrow!
>>
>> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 9:16:49 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> I want to make sure I understand your "black special".  Is that the 
>>> one with the large copper rivets and the chamfered edge on the leather 
>>> along the bottom edge?  If so, I have a black B17S with those same 
>>> characteristics that I might be willing to trade.
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 5:39:58 PM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I've got two Brooks b17 saddles (honey regular, and black special) 
 to trade - neither of them are broken in yet. I'm looking to ideally 
 trade 
 them for the short nosed versions, B17S, B67s, or B68. I'm open to 
 trying 
 other saddle shapes as well, or would also possibly trade for a 
 Sackville 
 bag.  Located in Massachusetts!
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] ISO 27.5 wheel set and brakes

[Andrew Huston]

Hoping to source a nice 27.5 rim brake set. Ideally cliffhangers. 100/135 
spaced. 
Also if anyone has some cool XTR v brakes I wold be interested as well. 

Andrew in Michigan

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[RBW] Re: Exploring Interest: 54 cm Hunqapillar for sale

[nus...@gmail.com]

How did I miss this one? These green 54 Hunqa's are genuine unicorns. 
Beauthiful bike; lucky buyer.

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 8:35:45 AM UTC-6 Gideon Tsang wrote:

> Sold!
>
> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 7:48:59 PM UTC-6 Gideon Tsang wrote:
>
>> Sale pending
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 1:18:39 PM UTC-6 Gideon Tsang wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all, 
>>>
>>> I'm considering selling my USA made 54cm Hunqapillar. I love it and 
>>> currently not riding it enough to justify keeping it in my stable. I'm 
>>> thinking $3K shipped? 
>>>
>>> The photos are pretty much how it looks now with the exception of new 
>>> Rene Here tires. Here are some links from my Instagram of the many 
>>> iterations of my Hunq:
>>>
>>> Basket 
>>> Skid 
>>> Framebag 
>>> Fog 
>>> West Texas 
>>> 
>>> New Mexico 
>>> 
>>> National Forest 
>>> 
>>> Bridge 
>>> Staged 
>>> Bike Stand 
>>> 
>>> Big Tires 
>>> 
>>> Grid 
>>>
>>> Nitto seat post
>>> Nitto Bullmoose Cockpit
>>> Nitto front rack
>>> Brooks Gp1 Ergonomic Leather Grips
>>> Brooks Saddle
>>> Sugino 1x crank
>>> Shimano XT 10 speed group
>>> 26″ x 2.3″ Rene Herse Humptulips Ridge TC Tires (almost new & not 
>>> pictured)
>>> XTR hubs laced to Velocity Blunt Rims (currently tubeless)
>>>
>>> (Willing to include bags for extra) 
>>> (No pedals and cages) 
>>>
>>> Let me know if there's any interest!
>>>
>>> Cheers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Items FS: Bridgestone RB-1, Albastache Bars, Stems, & more

[Austin B.]

*1989 Bridgestone RB-1 63cm - $450 - SOLD*
Details are in the Facebook post. Prefer a local sale but I will ship to 
list members at buyer's expense. Can arrange a meetup in the DMV area. Link 
to Facebook posting. 


Nitto Albastache Handlebars - 26.0 clamp, clean and no tape residue - $65
Nitto Dirt Drop Stem, 80mm, 26.0 clamp - $40
Nitto Tallux Stem, 80mm, 26.0 clamp - $40 *SOLD PENDING PICKUP*
Nitto Technomic, 100mm, 26.0 clamp (kinda scratched) - $15 *SOLD PENDING 
PICKUP*
VO Quill Stem, 90mm, 26.0 clamp - $20
Soma Layback Seatpost, Black, 27.2mm - $15
Shimano 105 Crankset, 175mm, 50/34 - $35

On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 11:51:07 AM UTC-4 Austin B. wrote:

> Update:
>
> *1989 Bridgestone RB-1 63cm - $450*
> Details are in the Facebook post. Prefer a local sale but I will ship to 
> list members at buyer's expense. Can arrange a meetup in the DMV area. Link 
> to Facebook posting. 
> 
>
> Nitto Albastache Handlebars - 26.0 clamp, clean and no tape residue - $65
> Nitto Dirt Drop Stem, 80mm, 26.0 clamp - $40
> Nitto Tallux Stem, 80mm, 26.0 clamp - $40 *SOLD PENDING PAYMENT*
> Nitto Technomic, 100mm, 26.0 clamp (kinda scratched) - $15 *SOLD PENDING 
> PAYMENT*
> VO Quill Stem, 90mm, 26.0 clamp - $20
> Soma Layback Seatpost, Black, 27.2mm - $15
> Shimano 105 Crankset, 175mm, 50/34 - $35
>
>
> On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 8:54:56 AM UTC-4 Austin B. wrote:
>
>> Correction, the Tallux stem is 80mm.
>>
>> *Various bits and bobs (link to Google Photos album for pics 
>> ):*
>> Nitto Albastache Handlebars - 26.0 clamp, clean and no tape residue - $65
>> Nitto Dirt Drop Stem, 80mm, 26.0 clamp - $40
>> Nitto Tallux Stem, 80mm, 26.0 clamp - $40
>> Nitto Technomic, 100mm, 26.0 clamp (kinda scratched) - $15
>> VO Quill Stem, 90mm, 26.0 clamp - $20
>> Soma Layback Seatpost, Black, 27.2mm - $15
>> Shimano 105 Crankset, 175mm, 50/34 - $35
>> On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 8:53:10 AM UTC-4 Austin B. wrote:
>>
>>> Continuing the downsizing of my bike stable...
>>>
>>> *1989 Bridgestone RB-1 63cm - $450*
>>> Details are in the Facebook post. Prefer a local sale but I will ship to 
>>> list members at buyer's expense. Can arrange a meetup in the DMV area. Link 
>>> to Facebook posting. 
>>> 
>>>
>>> *Various bits and bobs (link to Google Photos album for pics 
>>> ):*
>>> Nitto Albastache Handlebars - 26.0 clamp, clean and no tape residue - $65
>>> Nitto Dirt Drop Stem, 80mm, 26.0 clamp - $40
>>> Nitto Tallux Stem, 90mm, 26.0 clamp - $40
>>> Nitto Technomic, 100mm, 26.0 clamp (kinda scratched) - $15
>>> VO Quill Stem, 90mm, 26.0 clamp - $20
>>> Soma Layback Seatpost, Black, 27.2mm - $15
>>> Shimano 105 Crankset, 175mm, 50/34 - $35
>>>
>>> Buyers pay shipping. Can combine multiple items.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Austin B.
>>> Sykesville, MD
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Share some pictures: Raw steel bikes

[Robert Hakim]

My pleasure Eric! 
It is completely raw, but living in the American West, the patina has 
matured slowly. It has been on the back of the car next to the ocean, in 
the rain multiple times, I spent a few months with family in humid 
Virginia, and I can't even tell you how many creek crossings. The majority 
of the rust is likely from being stored in a garage during my time in Va. 
As cool as the finish is, I think it is making me subconsciously feel like 
the bike is 'old' or 'worn out'. Looking back through the pictures I think, 
for my tastes anyways, I should have curtailed the development of the rust 
a little while ago, hence the desire to get it painted. Though sometimes it 
is fun to show up at the trailhead with a rat bike, surrounded by all the 
modern carbon enduro bikes and their loud graphics. 

Cheers, 
Robert 
On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 7:52:48 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks, Robert! Is this totally raw or is it raw with a clear coat and the 
> patina is under the clear? I ask because I'd figure a raw steel frame would 
> weather more quickly that the time frame you mention. I am prepared to be 
> wrong about this assumption!
>
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 12:59:00 AM UTC-4 Robert Hakim wrote:
>
>> Eric, 
>>
>> While it's not the style of bike that I would normally post on this 
>> forum, you may enjoy the pictures in this album of my Waltworks mountain 
>> bike. I've left it raw through two seasons of riding and I think it is 
>> interesting to look back on how the finish has changed. I'm thinking about 
>> having it media blasted and powder coated this year. 
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/p4FpnrQyZe7Xv7o46
>>
>> Happy riding! 
>> -Robert
>>
>> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 5:15:57 PM UTC-8 eliu01 wrote:
>>
>>> Here's my wife's custom Frances 650b road bike.
>>>
>>> [image: 5719885899_84d077f5ab_o.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 10:20:09 AM UTC-8 lkbr...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Eric,

 Here is a photo of my 1980 Trek mystery model in a pewter color. I know 
 it's not quite raw steel, but it's fun to imagine what's underneath and 
 consider what makes steel more exciting than steel-colored paint.  

 Cheers,
 Bunny

 [image: MediumRareTrek.png]
 On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 11:20:45 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I'm working on a project and considering going the raw steel finish 
> route, with a clear. 
>
> I hope people can share some pictures of raw steel bikes for 
> inspiration. 
>
> Here are a few images I've saved.
>
>- Lyle's Rivendell Rambouillet 
>   - Oil buffed in with scotchbrite pads 
>- Sal's Trek 950
>   - Raw with clear shellac 
>- This Rivendell Glorious from facebook
>   - I believe these got a clear powdercoat
>
>
> [image: download.jpg]
> [image: 37166652_218919018822897_3133483443376095232_n.jpg]
> [image: 272456597_6980658778672856_3904882088288009621_n.jpg]
>


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[RBW] Re: Share some pictures: Raw steel bikes

[David Person]

Beautiful Frances 650b custom.

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 12:34:09 PM UTC-7 Robert Hakim wrote:

> My pleasure Eric! 
> It is completely raw, but living in the American West, the patina has 
> matured slowly. It has been on the back of the car next to the ocean, in 
> the rain multiple times, I spent a few months with family in humid 
> Virginia, and I can't even tell you how many creek crossings. The majority 
> of the rust is likely from being stored in a garage during my time in Va. 
> As cool as the finish is, I think it is making me subconsciously feel like 
> the bike is 'old' or 'worn out'. Looking back through the pictures I think, 
> for my tastes anyways, I should have curtailed the development of the rust 
> a little while ago, hence the desire to get it painted. Though sometimes it 
> is fun to show up at the trailhead with a rat bike, surrounded by all the 
> modern carbon enduro bikes and their loud graphics. 
>
> Cheers, 
> Robert 
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 7:52:48 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Robert! Is this totally raw or is it raw with a clear coat and 
>> the patina is under the clear? I ask because I'd figure a raw steel frame 
>> would weather more quickly that the time frame you mention. I am prepared 
>> to be wrong about this assumption!
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 12:59:00 AM UTC-4 Robert Hakim wrote:
>>
>>> Eric, 
>>>
>>> While it's not the style of bike that I would normally post on this 
>>> forum, you may enjoy the pictures in this album of my Waltworks mountain 
>>> bike. I've left it raw through two seasons of riding and I think it is 
>>> interesting to look back on how the finish has changed. I'm thinking about 
>>> having it media blasted and powder coated this year. 
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/p4FpnrQyZe7Xv7o46
>>>
>>> Happy riding! 
>>> -Robert
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 5:15:57 PM UTC-8 eliu01 wrote:
>>>
 Here's my wife's custom Frances 650b road bike.

 [image: 5719885899_84d077f5ab_o.jpg]

 On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 10:20:09 AM UTC-8 lkbr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi Eric,
>
> Here is a photo of my 1980 Trek mystery model in a pewter color. I 
> know it's not quite raw steel, but it's fun to imagine what's underneath 
> and consider what makes steel more exciting than steel-colored paint.  
>
> Cheers,
> Bunny
>
> [image: MediumRareTrek.png]
> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 11:20:45 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm working on a project and considering going the raw steel finish 
>> route, with a clear. 
>>
>> I hope people can share some pictures of raw steel bikes for 
>> inspiration. 
>>
>> Here are a few images I've saved.
>>
>>- Lyle's Rivendell Rambouillet 
>>   - Oil buffed in with scotchbrite pads 
>>- Sal's Trek 950
>>   - Raw with clear shellac 
>>- This Rivendell Glorious from facebook
>>   - I believe these got a clear powdercoat
>>
>>
>> [image: download.jpg]
>> [image: 37166652_218919018822897_3133483443376095232_n.jpg]
>> [image: 272456597_6980658778672856_3904882088288009621_n.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Anxiously awaiting a warm up

[J S]

Thanks you J.  I hope so too.  Tomorrow will be rainy so fingers are 
crossed.  
On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 1:44:44 PM UTC-4 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hope you get a ride in.
> We had Monday and Tuesday to ride. Monday took wife s car in for new 
> alternator. Tuesday I had a dentist appointment. Today a storm is Brewing. 
> Predicting 8-10" over night. Next week looks good.
> Nice looking machine you have there.
> Have a good ride.
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 10:21 AM 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> [image: D3F3449F-4214-4148-9961-4E8F82F95303.jpeg]Friday might be the 
>> day.  Hard for me to ride in cooler weather in the past years where I used 
>> to ride thru December and beyond.  Friday may hit a warm spot so I brought 
>> my not yet ridden Saluki up from the basement, perched in the sunroom now.  
>> All lights and computer either charged or getting charged.  Wish me luck, 
>> Joel 
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[RBW] Re: Share some pictures: Raw steel bikes

[Eric Marth]

eliu01: Nice Frances! Thanks for sharing

Robert: Thanks for the added info, got it concerning the frame being out 
west. I'm in Virginia! The humidity will have fun with raw steel. 

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 3:46:22 PM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> Beautiful Frances 650b custom.
>
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 12:34:09 PM UTC-7 Robert Hakim wrote:
>
>> My pleasure Eric! 
>> It is completely raw, but living in the American West, the patina has 
>> matured slowly. It has been on the back of the car next to the ocean, in 
>> the rain multiple times, I spent a few months with family in humid 
>> Virginia, and I can't even tell you how many creek crossings. The majority 
>> of the rust is likely from being stored in a garage during my time in Va. 
>> As cool as the finish is, I think it is making me subconsciously feel 
>> like the bike is 'old' or 'worn out'. Looking back through the pictures I 
>> think, for my tastes anyways, I should have curtailed the development of 
>> the rust a little while ago, hence the desire to get it painted. Though 
>> sometimes it is fun to show up at the trailhead with a rat bike, surrounded 
>> by all the modern carbon enduro bikes and their loud graphics. 
>>
>> Cheers, 
>> Robert 
>> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 7:52:48 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Robert! Is this totally raw or is it raw with a clear coat and 
>>> the patina is under the clear? I ask because I'd figure a raw steel frame 
>>> would weather more quickly that the time frame you mention. I am prepared 
>>> to be wrong about this assumption!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 12:59:00 AM UTC-4 Robert Hakim wrote:
>>>
 Eric, 

 While it's not the style of bike that I would normally post on this 
 forum, you may enjoy the pictures in this album of my Waltworks mountain 
 bike. I've left it raw through two seasons of riding and I think it is 
 interesting to look back on how the finish has changed. I'm thinking about 
 having it media blasted and powder coated this year. 

 https://photos.app.goo.gl/p4FpnrQyZe7Xv7o46

 Happy riding! 
 -Robert

 On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 5:15:57 PM UTC-8 eliu01 wrote:

> Here's my wife's custom Frances 650b road bike.
>
> [image: 5719885899_84d077f5ab_o.jpg]
>
> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 10:20:09 AM UTC-8 lkbr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Eric,
>>
>> Here is a photo of my 1980 Trek mystery model in a pewter color. I 
>> know it's not quite raw steel, but it's fun to imagine what's underneath 
>> and consider what makes steel more exciting than steel-colored paint.  
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Bunny
>>
>> [image: MediumRareTrek.png]
>> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 11:20:45 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm working on a project and considering going the raw steel finish 
>>> route, with a clear. 
>>>
>>> I hope people can share some pictures of raw steel bikes for 
>>> inspiration. 
>>>
>>> Here are a few images I've saved.
>>>
>>>- Lyle's Rivendell Rambouillet 
>>>   - Oil buffed in with scotchbrite pads 
>>>- Sal's Trek 950
>>>   - Raw with clear shellac 
>>>- This Rivendell Glorious from facebook
>>>   - I believe these got a clear powdercoat
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: download.jpg]
>>> [image: 37166652_218919018822897_3133483443376095232_n.jpg]
>>> [image: 272456597_6980658778672856_3904882088288009621_n.jpg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Anxiously awaiting a warm up

[Roberta]

I’ve been commuting  until it’s below 30ish degrees. Sort rides though. 

In Philadlelphia,  I found a local group going on a Full Moon ride Friday 
night, and it should be a perfect night. The rest of the weekend : “French 
kiss.”  

I know it’s a bit warmer here but hopefully you’ll get out, too. Lovely 
Saluki. 

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 4:09:16 PM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks you J.  I hope so too.  Tomorrow will be rainy so fingers are 
> crossed.  
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 1:44:44 PM UTC-4 row.n.2...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hope you get a ride in.
>> We had Monday and Tuesday to ride. Monday took wife s car in for new 
>> alternator. Tuesday I had a dentist appointment. Today a storm is Brewing. 
>> Predicting 8-10" over night. Next week looks good.
>> Nice looking machine you have there.
>> Have a good ride.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 10:21 AM 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: D3F3449F-4214-4148-9961-4E8F82F95303.jpeg]Friday might be the 
>>> day.  Hard for me to ride in cooler weather in the past years where I used 
>>> to ride thru December and beyond.  Friday may hit a warm spot so I brought 
>>> my not yet ridden Saluki up from the basement, perched in the sunroom now.  
>>> All lights and computer either charged or getting charged.  Wish me luck, 
>>> Joel 
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[RBW] Re: ISO/WTB: Albatross bars, DA barend shifters, Simworks stem...

[Todd G]

Shifters have been sourced, thanks Lance! Still looking for the rest. 

The heat treated Albatross bars, (or Nitto B352) and maybe some cork grips 
would be the next items at the top of my want/need list.

On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 1:42:46 PM UTC-8 Todd G wrote:

> Looking for a few items for a couple different builds. 
>
> - Nitto /Rivendell Albatross bars, preferably heat treated
> - Nitto Technonomic quill stem, 120mm (planning on pairing these with the 
> Albatross bars)
> - Dura Ace 9 speed bar-end shifters
> - Sim Works Rhonda stem, 100mm, polished
>
> If you have any of this stuff shoot me an message, thanks!
>
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Re: [RBW] Anxiously awaiting a warm up

['JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thank you Roberta, enjoy pot Friday ride. I remember when I would ride as long 
as the road was dry. My body now says no.

Sent from ProtonMail for iOS

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 4:38 PM, Roberta  wrote:

> I’ve been commuting until it’s below 30ish degrees. Sort rides though.
>
> In Philadlelphia, I found a local group going on a Full Moon ride Friday 
> night, and it should be a perfect night. The rest of the weekend : “French 
> kiss.”
>
> I know it’s a bit warmer here but hopefully you’ll get out, too. Lovely 
> Saluki.
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 4:09:16 PM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks you J. I hope so too. Tomorrow will be rainy so fingers are crossed.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 1:44:44 PM UTC-4 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hope you get a ride in.
>>> We had Monday and Tuesday to ride. Monday took wife s car in for new 
>>> alternator. Tuesday I had a dentist appointment. Today a storm is Brewing. 
>>> Predicting 8-10" over night. Next week looks good.
>>> Nice looking machine you have there.
>>> Have a good ride.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 10:21 AM 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
 [D3F3449F-4214-4148-9961-4E8F82F95303.jpeg]Friday might be the day. Hard 
 for me to ride in cooler weather in the past years where I used to ride 
 thru December and beyond. Friday may hit a warm spot so I brought my not 
 yet ridden Saluki up from the basement, perched in the sunroom now. All 
 lights and computer either charged or getting charged. Wish me luck, Joel
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dealing with wind

[Nick Payne]

I grew up in Perth, Western Australia, which is certainly the windiest city 
in Australia and probably somewhere up there on a world basis (I think 
Wellington in New Zealand is generally regarded as taking the prize for 
that). During late summer and autumn in Perth, we often get strong easterly 
winds in the morning, gradually dying away, and then strong south-westerly 
winds in the afternoon. I can vividly recall one particular job I had for a 
couple of years where the relative location of home and work meant that I 
was plugging into the easterlies when riding to work in the morning, and 
into the south-westerlies when riding home in the afternoon.

Even the pedestrians have problems with the wind in Perth. The high rise 
buildings in the city centre create a wind tunnel, and it's not that 
uncommon for pedestrians to be blown off their feet.

Nick

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[RBW] Re: FS: Crust Towel Rack Bars

[John H.]

The bars have been sold.

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 6:28:37 PM UTC-4 John H. wrote:

> Hey Bunch -- These Crust Towel Rack bars didn't work for me. Maybe they'll 
> work for someone out there.
>
> Silver 600mm (narrowest version), like new (>10 miles), Latest generation, 
> shown here 
>
>
> $100 shipped CONUS. 
> $90 for local (Boston Metro) pickup
>
> Local pickup preferred. Picture below.
>
> -John
> Cambridge
>
> [image: IMG_2789.jpg]
>
>
>

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[RBW] Flat Pedal Users: Favorite size/shape?

[John Bokman]

Hi all.
I've been riding VP Vice pedals for a few years now. It took a long while 
(aprx. a year) to get used to riding flats, coming from Speedplay Frogs. 
Finally, it took, and I'm happy on the flats for my commuter (Sam Hill).

However, the Vice have developed play, rattle a bit, and generally feel 
gritty, and I have been experimenting with different ideas. I've recently 
used the old MKS Touring pedals, and RMX sneaker pedals. These are okay, 
but what I've discovered is that for my riding,  flats without connection 
(no clips/straps, powergrips) feel better underfoot with a fairly large 
platform, and low stack height,  like the Vice. And yet I know many of you 
enjoy the Riv-approved MKS Gamma, lambda, and Allways models. All of these 
appear to be taller, and all are narrower than the vice. And yet...I 
wonder: how big is big enough? I'm not racing downhill, fully padded and 
helmeted, on a double boinger, like my neice. I just ride my bike here and 
there, long distances, when time allows.

I always want to support Riv when possible. But I am looking at many other 
pedals that Riv does not sell. What are some of your favorites, and why? 
For what use? If you use the aforementioned MKS pedals, what is your 
opinion of them? Do you like the size/shape? I'm wondering if the length of 
the pedal is more important than the width. The Gamma, Lambda, and Allways, 
for instance, are all longer than the Vice, while being slimmer. 

Thanks.
John


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Re: [RBW] Flat Pedal Users: Favorite size/shape?

[Jay Lonner]

I really, really like the Catalyst pedals from Pedaling Innovations:

https://pedalinginnovations.com/

Thin, long, wide, grippy – they check all the boxes for me. I ride wearing 
either Vans, Chucks, or Keens, none of which offer much support (esp. the 
Chucks) and there’s enough real estate on the pedal to keep me comfortable all 
day. I’ve tried all the options that Riv sells and have replaced them with 
Catalysts, with the exception of my Bike Friday where I use MKS rinko pedals 
for ease of packing:

https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/pedals/mks-allways-pedals-ezy-superior-rinko-2/

These are also great, esp. for their intended application, but the Catalysts 
are just 👨‍🍳 😘👌

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

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> On Mar 16, 2022, at 6:24 PM, John Bokman  wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> I've been riding VP Vice pedals for a few years now. It took a long while 
> (aprx. a year) to get used to riding flats, coming from Speedplay Frogs. 
> Finally, it took, and I'm happy on the flats for my commuter (Sam Hill).
> 
> However, the Vice have developed play, rattle a bit, and generally feel 
> gritty, and I have been experimenting with different ideas. I've recently 
> used the old MKS Touring pedals, and RMX sneaker pedals. These are okay, but 
> what I've discovered is that for my riding,  flats without connection (no 
> clips/straps, powergrips) feel better underfoot with a fairly large platform, 
> and low stack height,  like the Vice. And yet I know many of you enjoy the 
> Riv-approved MKS Gamma, lambda, and Allways models. All of these appear to be 
> taller, and all are narrower than the vice. And yet...I wonder: how big is 
> big enough? I'm not racing downhill, fully padded and helmeted, on a double 
> boinger, like my neice. I just ride my bike here and there, long distances, 
> when time allows.
> 
> I always want to support Riv when possible. But I am looking at many other 
> pedals that Riv does not sell. What are some of your favorites, and why? For 
> what use? If you use the aforementioned MKS pedals, what is your opinion of 
> them? Do you like the size/shape? I'm wondering if the length of the pedal is 
> more important than the width. The Gamma, Lambda, and Allways, for instance, 
> are all longer than the Vice, while being slimmer. 
> 
> Thanks.
> John
> 
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Re: [RBW] Flat Pedal Users: Favorite size/shape?

[Damien]

I have been using Blackspire Sub Four pedals on my Bombora, and SimWorks 
Bubbly Pedals on my Sam. Both are pretty great and I'd recommend. The 
Blackspire pedals are super grippy - almost too grippy? Whatever, I 
don't hate it and they do feel really nice when ripping around on trails. 
The SimWorks pedals are just really pretty (got them in Copper). Not as 
grippy but honestly a good amount of grip for my purposes with the Sam, and 
a nice platform. Look a bit chunky, but I'm over it and actually enjoy the 
way they look.

https://www.sim.works/products/bubbly-pedals?variant=37871655911598

https://www.blackspire.com/product/sub-four-pedals/

I had MKS Lambdas before - they're ok. They have a nice platform but my 
Vans/Chucks would slip a bit on them. Not sure if you can put pins in them, 
but you may not need/want them. For what it's worth, my wife absolutely 
hates these pedals. I think it's because she has shinned herself more with 
these pedals than any others.

I have another bike coming and I may try some composite pedals - Kona Wah 
Wahs or something like that.
On Wednesday, 16 March 2022 at 21:57:01 UTC-4 Jay Lonner wrote:

> I really, really like the Catalyst pedals from Pedaling Innovations:
>
> https://pedalinginnovations.com/
>
> Thin, long, wide, grippy – they check all the boxes for me. I ride wearing 
> either Vans, Chucks, or Keens, none of which offer much support (esp. the 
> Chucks) and there’s enough real estate on the pedal to keep me comfortable 
> all day. I’ve tried all the options that Riv sells and have replaced them 
> with Catalysts, with the exception of my Bike Friday where I use MKS rinko 
> pedals for ease of packing:
>
>
> https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/pedals/mks-allways-pedals-ezy-superior-rinko-2/
>
> These are also great, esp. for their intended application, but the 
> Catalysts are just 👨‍🍳 😘👌
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Mar 16, 2022, at 6:24 PM, John Bokman  wrote:
>
> Hi all.
>
> I've been riding VP Vice pedals for a few years now. It took a long while 
> (aprx. a year) to get used to riding flats, coming from Speedplay Frogs. 
> Finally, it took, and I'm happy on the flats for my commuter (Sam Hill).
>
> However, the Vice have developed play, rattle a bit, and generally feel 
> gritty, and I have been experimenting with different ideas. I've recently 
> used the old MKS Touring pedals, and RMX sneaker pedals. These are okay, 
> but what I've discovered is that for my riding,  flats without connection 
> (no clips/straps, powergrips) feel better underfoot with a fairly large 
> platform, and low stack height,  like the Vice. And yet I know many of you 
> enjoy the Riv-approved MKS Gamma, lambda, and Allways models. All of these 
> appear to be taller, and all are narrower than the vice. And yet...I 
> wonder: how big is big enough? I'm not racing downhill, fully padded and 
> helmeted, on a double boinger, like my neice. I just ride my bike here and 
> there, long distances, when time allows.
>
> I always want to support Riv when possible. But I am looking at many other 
> pedals that Riv does not sell. What are some of your favorites, and why? 
> For what use? If you use the aforementioned MKS pedals, what is your 
> opinion of them? Do you like the size/shape? I'm wondering if the length of 
> the pedal is more important than the width. The Gamma, Lambda, and Allways, 
> for instance, are all longer than the Vice, while being slimmer. 
>
> Thanks.
> John
>
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Re: [RBW] Where in the world has your Riv been?

[John Rinker]

A well-traveled Riv, Doug! Love the firetruck shot as the red and 
Soviet-MIG green/blue is a nice contrast. Is Dante's View in Death Valley 
perchance? Also a very nice shot. Thanks for sharing. Our 'Riv's of the 
World map is growing. 

Cheers,
John

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:12:38 PM UTC+9 dougP wrote:

> CA (home), AZ, WA, OR, UT, MN, WI, Canada, Croatia & Montenegro.  A few 
> shots.  Most have some ID.  
>
> dougP
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[RBW] Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Matthew Williams]

Sam Hillborne frame & fork
58cm
$1300
Oakland, CA
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/oakland-rivendell-sam-hillborne-58-cm/7458838156.html

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[RBW] Re: Flat Pedal Users: Favorite size/shape?

[Ed Carolipio]

The Vice's are my favorite flat pedals so you've already identified the 
Superior Option. My impressions on other flat pedals I have now:

   - MKS Lambda - put these on my "street" bikes for the reflectors, the 
   bling, and to avoid the pedals rashes but as others have mentioned they 
   could slip when wet or with certain outsoles.
   - MKS Grip Monarch - definitely superior to the Lambdas with a broader, 
   more square platform and metal pins while still housing reflectors. I'd 
   recommend these pedals if you want to shop at Riv. (Currently in stock in 
   Silver and Black. Get a black and a silver one to create Panda/Adnap 
   versions.)
   - MKS RMX Sneaker pedals - Only reason to get them is they're silver. 
   I'd take the Clem plastic pedals (VP-538) for "sneaker pedals" over these.
   - iSSi Thumps with Molded Pins - a great value option for a low profile, 
   large platform, composite pedal. Molded pins are tall so grip is good even 
   in the wet but pedal rash isn't too bad since the pins are plastic. 
   Definitely feel stiffer than the venerable VP-538.

--Ed C.
On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 6:24:43 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:

> Hi all.
> I've been riding VP Vice pedals for a few years now. It took a long while 
> (aprx. a year) to get used to riding flats, coming from Speedplay Frogs. 
> Finally, it took, and I'm happy on the flats for my commuter (Sam Hill).
>
> However, the Vice have developed play, rattle a bit, and generally feel 
> gritty, and I have been experimenting with different ideas. I've recently 
> used the old MKS Touring pedals, and RMX sneaker pedals. These are okay, 
> but what I've discovered is that for my riding,  flats without connection 
> (no clips/straps, powergrips) feel better underfoot with a fairly large 
> platform, and low stack height,  like the Vice. And yet I know many of you 
> enjoy the Riv-approved MKS Gamma, lambda, and Allways models. All of these 
> appear to be taller, and all are narrower than the vice. And yet...I 
> wonder: how big is big enough? I'm not racing downhill, fully padded and 
> helmeted, on a double boinger, like my neice. I just ride my bike here and 
> there, long distances, when time allows.
>
> I always want to support Riv when possible. But I am looking at many other 
> pedals that Riv does not sell. What are some of your favorites, and why? 
> For what use? If you use the aforementioned MKS pedals, what is your 
> opinion of them? Do you like the size/shape? I'm wondering if the length of 
> the pedal is more important than the width. The Gamma, Lambda, and Allways, 
> for instance, are all longer than the Vice, while being slimmer. 
>
> Thanks.
> John
>
>
>

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