Re: [RBW] Groups.Google

[ascpgh]

"youse"?  (I know, you meant "us")

Yinz are sure making a point about age over platforms. 

I almost hit the "buy" button for 50 custom bumper stickers that said 
plainly and largely: "I Hate You All" at the end of a long day having to 
endure the blathering of the large people that accompany small people in 
early life regarding illness, causes and prevention in the restrictions of 
isolation and vocational level PPE. 

Always good to have a bike ride on my commute home afterwards to clear my 
thoughts and neutralize accumulated ill will. No one would be able to make 
out said sticker if applied vertically on my rear fender anyway. Same goes 
for vertical lettering too. 



Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh
On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 7:46:04 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> You're a youngster. Don't bother use old ones.
>
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 5:44 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> I'm 59 and love that I can do all my computery stuff from my phone, my PC 
>> and laptop are stashed away and I probably wouldn't remember how to operate 
>> them now. I can print from my phone to a wireless printer, that's crazy! 
>>
>> Still don't get Zoom, though. I've always had a bit of photo/video phobia 
>> and this new world of video calling, not my gig. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 4:22:57 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Is it a generational thing? Me, closing fast on age 67, I hate, hate, 
>>> hate using a phone for surfing web or email; this hatred includes texting, 
>>> and I tolerate texting only because it is my daughter's (age 20 1/2) 
>>> default communication system. 
>>>
>>> I tried an iPad and thought it merely a very bad laptop. With a laptop I 
>>> can reply to email and browse der Veb without annoyance, and I generally 
>>> improve my laptop experience by using a full-size keyboard and real mouse.
>>>
>>> Again, is this a generational thing? I expect so: I rather think that we 
>>> oldsters don't expect to, and don't even want to, be perpetually connected 
>>> away from our desks.
>>>
>>> I do agree: no g-d Facebook. I do have an account on LinkedIn for work, 
>>> but I hate it too. 
>>>
>>> Patrick "hate, hate, hate" Moore, who was researching laptops in 1985, 
>>> so don't give me any guff.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: New Craigslist/others thread

[Ryan]

2500! Yowsa! The original pumpkin was surprisingly nice with a bit of a 
pearlescent sheen you could see in sunlight. Still have mine bought in 
September 1993 and the paint has held up surprisingly well. And it's not 
like I've stored the bike in a vault or anything. It's been ridden but not 
abused...with some upgrades. 

Still a classic IMHO

On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 12:23:43 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> X0-1 repainted to "better than Pumpkin" Orange. Yeah. 
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/morgan-hill-bridgestone-xo-52cm/7435187965.html
>
> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 4:04:17 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> 62cm Sam
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/petaluma-62cm-sam-hillborne-new/7385309583.html
>
>

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[RBW] Rivendell "Shiny" rear rack?

[Richard Rose]

I have not found any opinions / reviews of this rear rack after searching 
here. Anyone using this rack? Looks a good value.

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Re: [RBW] Groups.Google

[Garth]

My maternal family from Appalachia uses the term you'uns(literally "you 
ones") where in Minnesota we said "you guys", as in referring to two or 
more people. I love all these nuances of the languages, it's so much fun. 
Understand people goes way beyond the words, nor are there any words to 
describe it. Academia and all forms of correct-iits of language and culture 
are utter nonsense as they claim to have "standards", but they change them 
with every whim of opinion. Ironically, native languages/cultures do 
actually have standards, they speak/live a certain way and that's that. 
It's not up for debate or change, if you don't like it you won't stick 
around long ! 


On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 7:49:43 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

>
> "youse"?  (I know, you meant "us")
>
> Yinz are sure making a point about age over platforms. 
>
> I almost hit the "buy" button for 50 custom bumper stickers that said 
> plainly and largely: "I Hate You All" at the end of a long day having to 
> endure the blathering of the large people that accompany small people in 
> early life regarding illness, causes and prevention in the restrictions of 
> isolation and vocational level PPE. 
>
> Always good to have a bike ride on my commute home afterwards to clear my 
> thoughts and neutralize accumulated ill will. No one would be able to make 
> out said sticker if applied vertically on my rear fender anyway. Same goes 
> for vertical lettering too. 
>
>
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
> On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 7:46:04 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> You're a youngster. Don't bother use old ones.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 5:44 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm 59 and love that I can do all my computery stuff from my phone, my 
>>> PC and laptop are stashed away and I probably wouldn't remember how to 
>>> operate them now. I can print from my phone to a wireless printer, that's 
>>> crazy! 
>>>
>>> Still don't get Zoom, though. I've always had a bit of photo/video 
>>> phobia and this new world of video calling, not my gig. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 4:22:57 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Is it a generational thing? Me, closing fast on age 67, I hate, hate, 
 hate using a phone for surfing web or email; this hatred includes texting, 
 and I tolerate texting only because it is my daughter's (age 20 1/2) 
 default communication system. 

 I tried an iPad and thought it merely a very bad laptop. With a laptop 
 I can reply to email and browse der Veb without annoyance, and I generally 
 improve my laptop experience by using a full-size keyboard and real mouse.

 Again, is this a generational thing? I expect so: I rather think that 
 we oldsters don't expect to, and don't even want to, be perpetually 
 connected away from our desks.

 I do agree: no g-d Facebook. I do have an account on LinkedIn for work, 
 but I hate it too. 

 Patrick "hate, hate, hate" Moore, who was researching laptops in 1985, 
 so don't give me any guff.

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>> ---
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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Re: [RBW] Groups.Google

[Johnny Alien]

And those from the area know the correct pronunciation of Appalachia is 
App-A-Latch-A

On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 9:47:15 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> My maternal family from Appalachia uses the term you'uns(literally "you 
> ones") where in Minnesota we said "you guys", as in referring to two or 
> more people. I love all these nuances of the languages, it's so much fun. 
> Understand people goes way beyond the words, nor are there any words to 
> describe it. Academia and all forms of correct-iits of language and culture 
> are utter nonsense as they claim to have "standards", but they change them 
> with every whim of opinion. Ironically, native languages/cultures do 
> actually have standards, they speak/live a certain way and that's that. 
> It's not up for debate or change, if you don't like it you won't stick 
> around long ! 
>
>
> On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 7:49:43 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>
>>
>> "youse"?  (I know, you meant "us")
>>
>> Yinz are sure making a point about age over platforms. 
>>
>> I almost hit the "buy" button for 50 custom bumper stickers that said 
>> plainly and largely: "I Hate You All" at the end of a long day having to 
>> endure the blathering of the large people that accompany small people in 
>> early life regarding illness, causes and prevention in the restrictions of 
>> isolation and vocational level PPE. 
>>
>> Always good to have a bike ride on my commute home afterwards to clear my 
>> thoughts and neutralize accumulated ill will. No one would be able to make 
>> out said sticker if applied vertically on my rear fender anyway. Same goes 
>> for vertical lettering too. 
>>
>>
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>> On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 7:46:04 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> You're a youngster. Don't bother use old ones.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 5:44 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 I'm 59 and love that I can do all my computery stuff from my phone, my 
 PC and laptop are stashed away and I probably wouldn't remember how to 
 operate them now. I can print from my phone to a wireless printer, that's 
 crazy! 

 Still don't get Zoom, though. I've always had a bit of photo/video 
 phobia and this new world of video calling, not my gig. 

 Joe Bernard

 On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 4:22:57 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Is it a generational thing? Me, closing fast on age 67, I hate, hate, 
> hate using a phone for surfing web or email; this hatred includes 
> texting, 
> and I tolerate texting only because it is my daughter's (age 20 1/2) 
> default communication system. 
>
> I tried an iPad and thought it merely a very bad laptop. With a laptop 
> I can reply to email and browse der Veb without annoyance, and I 
> generally 
> improve my laptop experience by using a full-size keyboard and real mouse.
>
> Again, is this a generational thing? I expect so: I rather think that 
> we oldsters don't expect to, and don't even want to, be perpetually 
> connected away from our desks.
>
> I do agree: no g-d Facebook. I do have an account on LinkedIn for 
> work, but I hate it too. 
>
> Patrick "hate, hate, hate" Moore, who was researching laptops in 1985, 
> so don't give me any guff.
>
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>>>
>>> ---
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>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
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[RBW] FS: Nitto Losco handlebar Black 540mm width

['hobie' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Newly purchased and rode for 2 weeks. Black 540mm wide version 25.4 clamp 
or use shims for other bar diameters. 22.2 handle diameter. Very nice bar 
by Nitto. Some light scuffs and scratches from levers, shifters.  $105.00 
shipped to lower 48 states. PM for pictures.

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Re: [RBW] New Craigslist/others thread

[Bill Lindsay]

I emailed the seller on that one a few days back.  Haven't heard back yet...

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 5:40:42 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Quickbeam
> 60cm
> $1650
> San Francisco, CA
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-quickbeam-60cm/7432952117.html

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[RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Waterford Roadeo

[Gabriel Bruguier]

Bump

On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 3:52:48 PM UTC-6 Gabriel Bruguier wrote:

> Clearance with 38's is a little tight in the chainstays, but within the 
> still safe range.
>
> Martin, yes there a handful of us pedaling around Lincoln!  
>
> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 10:58:40 AM UTC-6 bdcamp...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> 33 w/ fenders.
>> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:14:45 AM UTC-5 BobW wrote:
>>
>>> Nice looking Roadeo!   I thought the Roadeo maxed out at 33.3 width 
>>> tires??  How did you manage to get 38's on there?   Are the clearances 
>>> really tight??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 8:07:33 PM UTC-5 Gabriel Bruguier wrote:
>>>
 Hello all,

 Up for sale is my 59cm Roadeo, built by Waterford, with threaded fork.  
 It is the Maroon colorway shown on the Riv product page 
  (or very close to that 
 color).  This frame has mid-fork eyelets installed.  As far as I know, I 
 am 
 the third owner.  I bought it off a fellow RBWOB lister last winter, rode 
 it over the spring and summer, but it has been stored in the garage since 
 then.  I love the bike but I don't foresee as much use as I'd like, and 
 would rather send it on to a new home.

 Frame is in good used shape.  There are plenty of signs of beausage on 
 the paint, but no dents or rust.  I sprayed it with Boeshield before 
 building it up.  It has never been crashed to my knowledge.

 Here's Riv's geometry chart with a link to PBH sizing recommendations. 
   My PBH is 
 right around 85, and this size worked for me.

 Photos are here. 
 
  

 The build list is below.  The front der, wheels, brakes, brake levers, 
 and shifters were from a previous build, but are in good shape.  Though 
 there is some scraping on shifters and levers.  All other parts were 
 bought 
 new.

 I am asking $3500 for the complete bike, plus LBS packing fee, and 
 shipping to lower 48.  Located in Lincoln, NE.  I am not interested in 
 trades.  I might be open to parting it out, if there isn't interest in the 
 complete.

 Please contact me off list with questions or offers.  Thank you for 
 reading,
 -Gabe

 Cockpit: 
 Nitto/Crust Shaka bars, 54cm
 Nitto/Crust stem (30 degree, 60mm)
 TRP RRL SL levers
 Microshift bar ends, 11 sp
 ESI bar tape
 Cane Creek 100 headset

 Drivetrain:
 Wheels: Velocity A23 rims, XT hubs, hand built at Monkey Wrench Cyles 
 
 Butted spokes, black hardware
 Compass Barlow Pass EL
 Tubes with Orange Seal sealant
 White Industries R30 double crankset (46tX36t)
 White Industries bottom bracket
 Simworks bubbly pedals
 Ultegra rear der (11 speed)
 9 Sp XT cassette 11-32
 105 front der

 Brakes:
 Paul Racer centerpulls
 Paul Funky Monkey cable stop
 Paul Moon units

 Saddle: Brooks C17 carved
 Seatpost: Nitto S65

 (Spurcycle bell in photos is not included) 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell "Shiny" rear rack?

[Jeremy Till]

I bought one for my Clem H and posted my impressions of it on this thread: 

https://groups.google.com/u/0/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/_QuMo5rGQ7E/m/sO9CKEliAAAJ

-Jeremy Till
Sacramento, CA

On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 6:46:30 AM UTC-8 Richard Rose wrote:

> I have not found any opinions / reviews of this rear rack after searching 
> here. Anyone using this rack? Looks a good value.

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell "Shiny" rear rack?

[Jared Wilson]

Ariel has one on her Platypus and we're both happy with it, seems to be a 
good value.

Like Rivendell states, it's not Nitto quality finish but it's also not 
Nitto $$$.

Jared in SLO, CA
On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-8 Jeremy Till wrote:

> I bought one for my Clem H and posted my impressions of it on this thread: 
>
>
> https://groups.google.com/u/0/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/_QuMo5rGQ7E/m/sO9CKEliAAAJ
>
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
>
> On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 6:46:30 AM UTC-8 Richard Rose wrote:
>
>> I have not found any opinions / reviews of this rear rack after searching 
>> here. Anyone using this rack? Looks a good value.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Craigslist/others thread

[Joe Bernard]

To calarify because I was trying to be nice (it's my new thing), I don't 
think the color on '93 X0-1's needs improving. I wouldn't repaint at all 
unless it was completely trashed. 

Joe Bernard

On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 10:23:43 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> X0-1 repainted to "better than Pumpkin" Orange. Yeah. 
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/morgan-hill-bridgestone-xo-52cm/7435187965.html
>
> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 4:04:17 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> 62cm Sam
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/petaluma-62cm-sam-hillborne-new/7385309583.html
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB albatross or similar setup

[Grady Wright]

I have a steel one I am not using. 

On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 11:22:09 a.m. UTC-7 JAS wrote:

> Esteban,
> I saw an albatross bar advertised in the Seattle Craigslist.  Here's the 
> link:
>
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bop/d/seattle-rivendell-nitto-albatross-cromo/7429428469.html
>  
>
> Good luck!
> --Joyce
> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 11:38:24 AM UTC-8 Esteban wrote:
>
>> Looking for an Albatross or similar bar/stem combo for an idea I’d like 
>> to try. Well- loved/tape residue/some scuffs fine. I may just borrow from 
>> my Quickbeam, but thought I’d try here first.
>>
>> Parents/grandparents of small children: I’m posting a Bobike mini and 
>> MUSA Burley Picolo later this week if trade is  thinking.
>>
>> Esteban
>> San Diego, Calif.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: Nitto Losco handlebar Black 540mm width

[Joe Bunik]

$77.69 new
https://global.bluelug.com/nitto-losco-bar-black.html

On 1/20/22, 'hobie' via RBW Owners Bunch
 wrote:
> Newly purchased and rode for 2 weeks. Black 540mm wide version 25.4 clamp
> or use shims for other bar diameters. 22.2 handle diameter. Very nice bar
> by Nitto. Some light scuffs and scratches from levers, shifters.  $105.00
> shipped to lower 48 states. PM for pictures.
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB albatross or similar setup

[Esteban]

Thanks folks! I think I found a good candidate. If anything changes I'll 
post again here. 

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 11:26:25 AM UTC-8 gre...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have a steel one I am not using. 
>
> On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 11:22:09 a.m. UTC-7 JAS wrote:
>
>> Esteban,
>> I saw an albatross bar advertised in the Seattle Craigslist.  Here's the 
>> link:
>>
>>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bop/d/seattle-rivendell-nitto-albatross-cromo/7429428469.html
>>  
>>
>> Good luck!
>> --Joyce
>> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 11:38:24 AM UTC-8 Esteban wrote:
>>
>>> Looking for an Albatross or similar bar/stem combo for an idea I’d like 
>>> to try. Well- loved/tape residue/some scuffs fine. I may just borrow from 
>>> my Quickbeam, but thought I’d try here first.
>>>
>>> Parents/grandparents of small children: I’m posting a Bobike mini and 
>>> MUSA Burley Picolo later this week if trade is  thinking.
>>>
>>> Esteban
>>> San Diego, Calif.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Craigslist/others thread

[Ryan]

Yeah, Joe...I thought that's what you meant...may be one reason why I'm not 
super-jonesing for an orange quickbeam...although if a 54 QB fell into my 
lap like the proverbial crumbs from the proverbial rich man's table, I 
wouldn't be  unhappy😊

On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 1:26:22 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> To calarify because I was trying to be nice (it's my new thing), I don't 
> think the color on '93 X0-1's needs improving. I wouldn't repaint at all 
> unless it was completely trashed. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 10:23:43 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> X0-1 repainted to "better than Pumpkin" Orange. Yeah. 
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/morgan-hill-bridgestone-xo-52cm/7435187965.html
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 4:04:17 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> 62cm Sam
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/petaluma-62cm-sam-hillborne-new/7385309583.html
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto wire guard

[jamin orrall]

wire guard found!
On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 2:04:29 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Sure, I can part with mine.  $35 shipped.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 8:42:56 PM UTC-8 jamin orrall wrote:
>
>> Looking for a Nitto wire guard, I have attached a photo.  They seem to be 
>> out of stock except for international dealers.  Would rather a tiny piece 
>> of wire not have to travel so far.  Anyone have one in the US? I'm in Los 
>> Angeles.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Jamin
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Craigslist/others thread

[Joe Bernard]

Right?? I can't even ride singlespeeds these days and I would snap up a 54 
QB in a heartbeat. Any color! (but make it green)


On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 1:48:12 PM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:

> Yeah, Joe...I thought that's what you meant...may be one reason why I'm 
> not super-jonesing for an orange quickbeam...although if a 54 QB fell into 
> my lap like the proverbial crumbs from the proverbial rich man's table, I 
> wouldn't be  unhappy😊
>
> On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 1:26:22 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> To calarify because I was trying to be nice (it's my new thing), I don't 
>> think the color on '93 X0-1's needs improving. I wouldn't repaint at all 
>> unless it was completely trashed. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 10:23:43 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> X0-1 repainted to "better than Pumpkin" Orange. Yeah. 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/morgan-hill-bridgestone-xo-52cm/7435187965.html
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 4:04:17 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 62cm Sam

 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/petaluma-62cm-sam-hillborne-new/7385309583.html
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: NYC Area Help: TA crank puller needed

[Minh]

sorry that i can't help but i'm always on the look out for fellow BK 
riv'sters.  is there an unofficial or informal NYC group?



On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 12:43:49 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:

> Hi NYC Folks -
>
> TL;DR: Is there anyone in the boroughs that can lend me their TA crank 
> puller?
>
> I installed a TA crank on a frame to measure the Q factor. My Q-riosity 
> sated, I then went to pull the crank and reinstall the arms the correct 
> way. But I can't for the life of me find my 23mm crank puller (haven't used 
> it in years). I've ordered a new one, but would love to remove it soon, 
> like before or over this weekend. I'm not having much luck finding a shop 
> with one. Anyone here have one I can briefly  borrow?
>
> Thanks!
> Patch
> BK/NYC
>

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Re: [RBW] Best grocery pannier? Nice lightweight wool cycling "jacket" or full-zip mid-weight jersey?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Robert. I'd rather not deal with neck cords or zippers. Right now
the Backrollers work alright, especially since I removed the internal
pockets that would catch bags and items as I shoved them down, and I will
investigate the North St. bag.

Funny to admit, but if my criteria were purely practical, I'd go back to
the very best ever grocery panniers I've ever used, no exception: a pair of
$4 (on sale) 13 gallon plastic trash cans from Target, strapped using
dowels for support to the rear rack. huge capacity, no obstruction at all
for shoving things, bags or otherwise, in, and plenty of room in back for
reflective stickers. Their fatal downside, I have to admit, was that they
made me look like a dork.

Even funnier: I recall how, back 10 years ago or so when I was young and
fit and green -- mid 50s -- I was spinning along on that 1973 Motobecane
making time in the 67" gear with these trashcans attached, and was
unintentionally gaining space on a CF lycra clad -- I will use the word
"roadie" because he got annoyed and sped up to pass me; so the derogation
is appropriate. He then missed the turn I made, and came back to pass me
again. It didn't click with me until I got home -- my reaction at the
moment was, "what's this guy doing here again; didn't I just see him?"; if
I'd understood, I'd have run him off the road. But I am sure that he got
upset because what to his provincial eyes looked like a fredly dork on a
beater bike -- and with a long pony tail, no helmet, and in more or less
civilian clothes -- was disrespecting him.

Actually sold them with an old beater bike to my NDN who used the setup for
some years, though for the last 7 or so bike and trashcans have been slowly
disintegrating in the NM sun.

On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 8:04 PM  wrote:

> I used the Arkel grocery pannier quite a bit and I really liked it. It
> meets most of your criteria but has a zip top and not a buckle top. The new
> version looks to have a draw cord top which would make sliding a paper bag
> full of groceries in more difficult maybe? Their hardware is adjustable so
> it would be simple to position it further back on a rack.
>
> https://www.arkel-od.com/shopper-foldable/
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 19, 2022, at 2:57 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> I'm curious if anyone has suggestions for the following that meet
> possibly weird and certainly nit-picky criteria.
>
> A. This is largely academic since the old Ortlieb Backrollers serve
> well enough, but I do prefer a flap with Fastek buckle instead of the
> rollup method of closure. So: What is the best grocery pannier,
> defining best by my own criteria, in order of importance:
> 1. Single compartment large enough to swallow a full paper grocery
> sack, and with no interior pockets or dividers of any sort;
> 2. Flap with single buckle.
> 3. As sturdy at least as the Ortliebs, tho' I don't care if it's
> cotton or nylon canvas or tarp material; and I do not need it to be
> waterproof, just water resistant (ie, not a sponge).
> 4. Has attachments with considerable lateral adjustment -- I must
> offset large panniers to the rear on the bike carrying it -- I prefer
> the Ortlieb-type of closure but I'm open to other adjustable systems;
> 5. Comes in red;
> 6. Has a nice convenient outer pocket big enough for a large bunch o' keys.
>
> Criteria 1 thru 4 are required, # 5 is important, # 6 would be nice.
>
> B. On rides like this afternoon's, 48-50 F but cloudy (full sun at 5K+
> feet is the equivalent of +10*F in air temperature) I like a ls med
> weight wool jersey + a second ls layer, and I've been using a full-zip
> wool jersey bought deliberately large. But the fit isn't as good as it
> might be. So:
>
> What is a good LS, full-cut (to fit over a ls wool jersey) medium
> weight wool (*wool* -- it has to breathe) with either a full zip or at
> least a long partial zipper (must be easy to get on over ls jersey),
> rear pockets preferred (I'd happily accept chest pockets, but it must
> have cycling-compatible -- drop bar cycling -- pockets). Red, blue,
> gray, orange, even, even black, but no pastels.
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: [RBW] Best grocery pannier? Nice lightweight wool cycling "jacket" or full-zip mid-weight jersey?

[Joe Bernard]

You need folding baskets with Wald bags in them. I still have the bags, you 
can have them for shipping, they're perfect for shopping. 

Joe Bernard

On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 2:23:15 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Robert. I'd rather not deal with neck cords or zippers. Right now 
> the Backrollers work alright, especially since I removed the internal 
> pockets that would catch bags and items as I shoved them down, and I will 
> investigate the North St. bag.
>
> Funny to admit, but if my criteria were purely practical, I'd go back to 
> the very best ever grocery panniers I've ever used, no exception: a pair of 
> $4 (on sale) 13 gallon plastic trash cans from Target, strapped using 
> dowels for support to the rear rack. huge capacity, no obstruction at all 
> for shoving things, bags or otherwise, in, and plenty of room in back for 
> reflective stickers. Their fatal downside, I have to admit, was that they 
> made me look like a dork. 
>
> Even funnier: I recall how, back 10 years ago or so when I was young and 
> fit and green -- mid 50s -- I was spinning along on that 1973 Motobecane 
> making time in the 67" gear with these trashcans attached, and was 
> unintentionally gaining space on a CF lycra clad -- I will use the word 
> "roadie" because he got annoyed and sped up to pass me; so the derogation 
> is appropriate. He then missed the turn I made, and came back to pass me 
> again. It didn't click with me until I got home -- my reaction at the 
> moment was, "what's this guy doing here again; didn't I just see him?"; if 
> I'd understood, I'd have run him off the road. But I am sure that he got 
> upset because what to his provincial eyes looked like a fredly dork on a 
> beater bike -- and with a long pony tail, no helmet, and in more or less 
> civilian clothes -- was disrespecting him.
>
> Actually sold them with an old beater bike to my NDN who used the setup 
> for some years, though for the last 7 or so bike and trashcans have been 
> slowly disintegrating in the NM sun.
>
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 8:04 PM  wrote:
>
>> I used the Arkel grocery pannier quite a bit and I really liked it. It 
>> meets most of your criteria but has a zip top and not a buckle top. The new 
>> version looks to have a draw cord top which would make sliding a paper bag 
>> full of groceries in more difficult maybe? Their hardware is adjustable so 
>> it would be simple to position it further back on a rack.
>>
>> https://www.arkel-od.com/shopper-foldable/
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 19, 2022, at 2:57 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> I'm curious if anyone has suggestions for the following that meet
>> possibly weird and certainly nit-picky criteria.
>>
>> A. This is largely academic since the old Ortlieb Backrollers serve
>> well enough, but I do prefer a flap with Fastek buckle instead of the
>> rollup method of closure. So: What is the best grocery pannier,
>> defining best by my own criteria, in order of importance:
>> 1. Single compartment large enough to swallow a full paper grocery
>> sack, and with no interior pockets or dividers of any sort;
>> 2. Flap with single buckle.
>> 3. As sturdy at least as the Ortliebs, tho' I don't care if it's
>> cotton or nylon canvas or tarp material; and I do not need it to be
>> waterproof, just water resistant (ie, not a sponge).
>> 4. Has attachments with considerable lateral adjustment -- I must
>> offset large panniers to the rear on the bike carrying it -- I prefer
>> the Ortlieb-type of closure but I'm open to other adjustable systems;
>> 5. Comes in red;
>> 6. Has a nice convenient outer pocket big enough for a large bunch o' 
>> keys.
>>
>> Criteria 1 thru 4 are required, # 5 is important, # 6 would be nice.
>>
>> B. On rides like this afternoon's, 48-50 F but cloudy (full sun at 5K+
>> feet is the equivalent of +10*F in air temperature) I like a ls med
>> weight wool jersey + a second ls layer, and I've been using a full-zip
>> wool jersey bought deliberately large. But the fit isn't as good as it
>> might be. So:
>>
>> What is a good LS, full-cut (to fit over a ls wool jersey) medium
>> weight wool (*wool* -- it has to breathe) with either a full zip or at
>> least a long partial zipper (must be easy to get on over ls jersey),
>> rear pockets preferred (I'd happily accept chest pockets, but it must
>> have cycling-compatible -- drop bar cycling -- pockets). Red, blue,
>> gray, orange, even, even black, but no pastels.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] Best grocery pannier? Nice lightweight wool cycling "jacket" or full-zip mid-weight jersey?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks very much, Joe, but after having used very many baskets front and
rear, including the folding Walds*, throughout my cycling lifetime, I
prefer Tubus or custom racks and a pair of nice panniers (or, for
occasional use on bikes with no racks, a selection of saddlebags in
different designs and sizes with various saddlebag supports and attachment
mechs.

*I first installed these on a 5-speed Raleigh Sprite with North Road bar
which I flipped for that cafe racer look (and Alvit rd! -- which shifted
fine with the stem shifter) back in 1985 or so, when I lived in WDC. My
rack was a Pletscher, which was never, ever known for being rigid. I recall
riding the 2 blocks home to my apt just above Georgetown on Wisconsin Ave
NW at night with both baskets full -- gal milk, 6 pak beer, 5 lb sug, 2 lb
rice, and so on -- and being very, very glad that I could take backstreet
residential streets, because the rack/load combo would sway aggressively in
time to my pedaling, causing the bike to follow lazy left/right swerves
across the entire right of way. The fault was the rack, of course, and I
used these baskets several times on other bikes, and on better racks.
They're fine.

On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 4:20 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> You need folding baskets with Wald bags in them. I still have the bags,
> you can have them for shipping, they're perfect for shopping.
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 2:23:15 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Robert. I'd rather not deal with neck cords or zippers. Right now
>> the Backrollers work alright, especially since I removed the internal
>> pockets that would catch bags and items as I shoved them down, and I will
>> investigate the North St. bag.
>>
>> Funny to admit, but if my criteria were purely practical, I'd go back to
>> the very best ever grocery panniers I've ever used, no exception: a pair of
>> $4 (on sale) 13 gallon plastic trash cans from Target, strapped using
>> dowels for support to the rear rack. huge capacity, no obstruction at all
>> for shoving things, bags or otherwise, in, and plenty of room in back for
>> reflective stickers. Their fatal downside, I have to admit, was that they
>> made me look like a dork.
>>
>> Even funnier: I recall how, back 10 years ago or so when I was young and
>> fit and green -- mid 50s -- I was spinning along on that 1973 Motobecane
>> making time in the 67" gear with these trashcans attached, and was
>> unintentionally gaining space on a CF lycra clad -- I will use the word
>> "roadie" because he got annoyed and sped up to pass me; so the derogation
>> is appropriate. He then missed the turn I made, and came back to pass me
>> again. It didn't click with me until I got home -- my reaction at the
>> moment was, "what's this guy doing here again; didn't I just see him?"; if
>> I'd understood, I'd have run him off the road. But I am sure that he got
>> upset because what to his provincial eyes looked like a fredly dork on a
>> beater bike -- and with a long pony tail, no helmet, and in more or less
>> civilian clothes -- was disrespecting him.
>>
>> Actually sold them with an old beater bike to my NDN who used the setup
>> for some years, though for the last 7 or so bike and trashcans have been
>> slowly disintegrating in the NM sun.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 8:04 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> I used the Arkel grocery pannier quite a bit and I really liked it. It
>>> meets most of your criteria but has a zip top and not a buckle top. The new
>>> version looks to have a draw cord top which would make sliding a paper bag
>>> full of groceries in more difficult maybe? Their hardware is adjustable so
>>> it would be simple to position it further back on a rack.
>>>
>>> https://www.arkel-od.com/shopper-foldable/
>>>
>>> Robert Tilley
>>> San Diego, CA
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 19, 2022, at 2:57 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm curious if anyone has suggestions for the following that meet
>>> possibly weird and certainly nit-picky criteria.
>>>
>>> A. This is largely academic since the old Ortlieb Backrollers serve
>>> well enough, but I do prefer a flap with Fastek buckle instead of the
>>> rollup method of closure. So: What is the best grocery pannier,
>>> defining best by my own criteria, in order of importance:
>>> 1. Single compartment large enough to swallow a full paper grocery
>>> sack, and with no interior pockets or dividers of any sort;
>>> 2. Flap with single buckle.
>>> 3. As sturdy at least as the Ortliebs, tho' I don't care if it's
>>> cotton or nylon canvas or tarp material; and I do not need it to be
>>> waterproof, just water resistant (ie, not a sponge).
>>> 4. Has attachments with considerable lateral adjustment -- I must
>>> offset large panniers to the rear on the bike carrying it -- I prefer
>>> the Ortlieb-type of closure but I'm open to other adjustable systems;
>>> 5. Comes in red;
>>> 6. Has a nice convenient outer pocket big enough for a large bunch o'
>>> keys.
>>>
>>> Cr

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell "Shiny" rear rack?

[Richard Rose]

Awesome, thanks!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 1:04 PM, Jared Wilson  wrote:
> 
> Ariel has one on her Platypus and we're both happy with it, seems to be a 
> good value.
> 
> Like Rivendell states, it's not Nitto quality finish but it's also not Nitto 
> $$$.
> 
> Jared in SLO, CA
>> On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-8 Jeremy Till wrote:
>> I bought one for my Clem H and posted my impressions of it on this thread: 
>> 
>> https://groups.google.com/u/0/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/_QuMo5rGQ7E/m/sO9CKEliAAAJ
>> 
>> -Jeremy Till
>> Sacramento, CA
>> 
>>> On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 6:46:30 AM UTC-8 Richard Rose wrote:
>>> I have not found any opinions / reviews of this rear rack after searching 
>>> here. Anyone using this rack? Looks a good value.
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[RBW] Re: NYC Area Help: TA crank puller needed

[Patch T]

Found one at Nomad Bikes in Woodside, Queens. Damon to the rescue! 

Minh, not that I know of. 

On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 5:10:13 PM UTC-5 Minh wrote:

> sorry that i can't help but i'm always on the look out for fellow BK 
> riv'sters.  is there an unofficial or informal NYC group?
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 12:43:49 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>
>> Hi NYC Folks -
>>
>> TL;DR: Is there anyone in the boroughs that can lend me their TA crank 
>> puller?
>>
>> I installed a TA crank on a frame to measure the Q factor. My Q-riosity 
>> sated, I then went to pull the crank and reinstall the arms the correct 
>> way. But I can't for the life of me find my 23mm crank puller (haven't used 
>> it in years). I've ordered a new one, but would love to remove it soon, 
>> like before or over this weekend. I'm not having much luck finding a shop 
>> with one. Anyone here have one I can briefly  borrow?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Patch
>> BK/NYC
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: NYC Area Help: TA crank puller needed

[Patch T]

***Nomad Cycle***

On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 7:15:00 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:

> Found one at Nomad Bikes in Woodside, Queens. Damon to the rescue! 
>
> Minh, not that I know of. 
>
> On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 5:10:13 PM UTC-5 Minh wrote:
>
>> sorry that i can't help but i'm always on the look out for fellow BK 
>> riv'sters.  is there an unofficial or informal NYC group?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 12:43:49 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>>
>>> Hi NYC Folks -
>>>
>>> TL;DR: Is there anyone in the boroughs that can lend me their TA crank 
>>> puller?
>>>
>>> I installed a TA crank on a frame to measure the Q factor. My Q-riosity 
>>> sated, I then went to pull the crank and reinstall the arms the correct 
>>> way. But I can't for the life of me find my 23mm crank puller (haven't used 
>>> it in years). I've ordered a new one, but would love to remove it soon, 
>>> like before or over this weekend. I'm not having much luck finding a shop 
>>> with one. Anyone here have one I can briefly  borrow?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Patch
>>> BK/NYC
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: NYC Area Help: TA crank puller needed

[Patch T]

Thanks Kai - if you have a caliper and could measure, it might be TA if 
it's 23mm (Stronglight if 23.5 I think). But I really don't know, as that's 
not the same kind of tool of mine that went missing recently. 

Patch, NYC Vice/Gang Chef to President Minh, and Supreme Leader Kai


On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 7:33:20 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> Hi Patch, glad to see you found what you needed. I was going to ask you if 
> this CCP-1 was the ticket, I've only ever used the one side...
> Count me in on the official riv gang in Brooklyn! Minh's President, Patch 
> is Vice/Gang Chef
> -Kai
> [image: IMG-8690.jpg][image: IMG-8689.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 7:15:00 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>
>> Found one at Nomad Bikes in Woodside, Queens. Damon to the rescue! 
>>
>> Minh, not that I know of. 
>>
>> On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 5:10:13 PM UTC-5 Minh wrote:
>>
>>> sorry that i can't help but i'm always on the look out for fellow BK 
>>> riv'sters.  is there an unofficial or informal NYC group?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 12:43:49 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>>>
 Hi NYC Folks -

 TL;DR: Is there anyone in the boroughs that can lend me their TA crank 
 puller?

 I installed a TA crank on a frame to measure the Q factor. My Q-riosity 
 sated, I then went to pull the crank and reinstall the arms the correct 
 way. But I can't for the life of me find my 23mm crank puller (haven't 
 used 
 it in years). I've ordered a new one, but would love to remove it soon, 
 like before or over this weekend. I'm not having much luck finding a shop 
 with one. Anyone here have one I can briefly  borrow?

 Thanks!
 Patch
 BK/NYC

>>>

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[RBW] Re: NYC Area Help: TA crank puller needed

[Peter Adler]

Yes, the Park CCP-1 is 22mm Campagnolo/de facto standard on one side, 23mm 
traditional TA on the other. If you want to switch, you unscrew the 
threaded element from the central push bolt, flip it over, and rethread. It 
was also sold in Schwinn Approved branding, with a red-dipped handle.

Traditional Stronglight is 23.35mm; they switched to 22mm in 1982. Do not 
try to extract a 23.35mm crank with a 23mm TA extractor (whether the 
extractor is made by TA, Park, VAR or Stein); you'll strip the threads out 
of the crankarm. If you can't find an original Stronglight extractor or a 
VAR 22/2 extractor, J.A. Stein of Prescott Arizona, maker of all sorts of 
marvelous tools, sells them for $45 through his eBay store:

https://steintool.com/

https://www.ebay.com/str/steintool?_trksid=p2047675.m3561.l2563

https://www.ebay.com/itm/123667643658?hash=item1ccb2a7d0a:g:7XIAAOSwh1NbPXww

Peter Adler
appreciative owner of a Stein freewheel lubricator, which he doesn't seem 
to make any more :-(
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 5:49:33 PM UTC-8 Patch T wrote:

> Thanks Kai - if you have a caliper and could measure, it might be TA if 
> it's 23mm (Stronglight if 23.5 I think). But I really don't know, as that's 
> not the same kind of tool of mine that went missing recently. 
>
> Patch, NYC Vice/Gang Chef to President Minh, and Supreme Leader Kai
>
>
> On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 7:33:20 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Patch, glad to see you found what you needed. I was going to ask you 
>> if this CCP-1 was the ticket, I've only ever used the one side...
>> Count me in on the official riv gang in Brooklyn! Minh's President, Patch 
>> is Vice/Gang Chef
>> -Kai
>> [image: IMG-8690.jpg][image: IMG-8689.jpg]
>>
>> On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 7:15:00 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>>
>>> Found one at Nomad Bikes in Woodside, Queens. Damon to the rescue! 
>>>
>>> Minh, not that I know of. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 5:10:13 PM UTC-5 Minh wrote:
>>>
 sorry that i can't help but i'm always on the look out for fellow BK 
 riv'sters.  is there an unofficial or informal NYC group?



 On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 12:43:49 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:

> Hi NYC Folks -
>
> TL;DR: Is there anyone in the boroughs that can lend me their TA crank 
> puller?
>
> I installed a TA crank on a frame to measure the Q factor. My 
> Q-riosity sated, I then went to pull the crank and reinstall the arms the 
> correct way. But I can't for the life of me find my 23mm crank puller 
> (haven't used it in years). I've ordered a new one, but would love to 
> remove it soon, like before or over this weekend. I'm not having much 
> luck 
> finding a shop with one. Anyone here have one I can briefly  borrow?
>
> Thanks!
> Patch
> BK/NYC
>


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