date:20210628

Here's an interesting, relevant, and timely story:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/interactive/2021/dejoy-usps-delays-by-zip-code-map/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook




On Jun 28, 2021, at 7:04 AM, David Person  wrote:

> Crazy things are going on at USPS.  This past week I had two packages shipped 
> to me via USPS.  One from San Diego, CA and the other from Chico, CA.  I live 
> just outside Los Angeles and both packages were due to arrive 3 days after 
> being shipped.  The package from San Diego made it to the USPS distribution 
> center about 25 miles from my home in one day, which delivery expected the 
> next day.  The next update had it in Macon, GA.  I didn't receive it till 4 
> days later.  The package from Chico was supposed to be here this past 
> Saturday, but has been routed thru Birmingham, AL.  Who know when I'll see 
> that one.  It's no wonder they are losing money, I how they get their act 
> together.
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Re: [RBW] USPS Crazyness

2021-06-28 Thread Eric Marth

I sent a postcard to a fellow group member, mailed from Virginia but it 
arrived in Maryland with a Salt Lake City postmark! 

For the most part I've had normal delivery times with shipping parts out 
but one outgoing package is waylaid and long overdue. 

On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 11:37:28 AM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Here's an interesting, relevant, and timely story:
>
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/interactive/2021/dejoy-usps-delays-by-zip-code-map/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 28, 2021, at 7:04 AM, David Person  wrote:
>
> Crazy things are going on at USPS.  This past week I had two packages 
> shipped to me via USPS.  One from San Diego, CA and the other from Chico, 
> CA.  I live just outside Los Angeles and both packages were due to arrive 3 
> days after being shipped.  The package from San Diego made it to the USPS 
> distribution center about 25 miles from my home in one day, which delivery 
> expected the next day.  The next update had it in Macon, GA.  I didn't 
> receive it till 4 days later.  The package from Chico was supposed to be 
> here this past Saturday, but has been routed thru Birmingham, AL.  Who know 
> when I'll see that one.  It's no wonder they are losing money, I how they 
> get their act together. 
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[RBW] Re: a worthy Bombadil is back on the road at long last...

2021-06-28 Thread Jason Fuller

Wow, that thing is gorgeous.  Nice build!!  I love the unique color. Looks 
salmon to me. Still undecided whether I'll invest in a paintjob for mine!  
And yeah I wouldn't have even considered the threadless bullmoose despite 
being well aware of the existence of said adapter, and it looks as clean as 
a quill version would have.  

On Sunday, 27 June 2021 at 20:05:37 UTC-7 WilletM wrote:

>
> I'm happy to report that the non-creamsicle-but-still-pretty-dang-orange-y 
> Bombadil frame that I bought here last September from Jamison B. is all 
> built up and ready to do a little Bombadilling (thanks for that, Jason!) in 
> the Rocky Mountains of western Colorado.  Though it's destined to be more 
> of a show pony than a workhorse like Jason's rig, I did do a fairly premium 
> build on this one that I'm sure would hold up for rigorous off-roading or 
> even moderate bikepacking if only my legs were a little longer.  
>
> Particularly noteworthy on this build are the lovely fillet-and-nickel 
> Nitto bullmoose bars, which turned out a lot better than I was expecting 
> given that I used a quill-to-threadless adapter to mate the 1" threaded 
> steerer to the 1 1/8" threadless bar/stem combo.  I also ended up pretty 
> thrilled with the wheelset, which Peter White built up with custom Velocity 
> Cliffhangers (silver anodized with machined sidewalls) laced up to a 
> polished Phil Wood cassette hub in back and a special "Peter White Cycles" 
> edition SONdelux Wide Body dynamo hub up front.  Other parts include Sugino 
> cranks and seatpost, Brooks Alpe D'Huez saddle, Schmidt Edelux2 headlight, 
> SimWorks/Honjo fenders, Paul Neo-Retro's and Love Levers, etc, etc.  It was 
> NOT, very frankly, an inexpensive build.
>
> On the bright side, it did provide hours and hours and hours of diversion 
> during the Covid shutdowns and bike parts shortages.  And I got lots of 
> practice using various dremel attachments and hand files and many other 
> specialized bike tools in order to fit the fenders under the rack and over 
> the canti brakes and 29x2.1 knobby tires.  In the end, having just mostly 
> finished it up this weekend except for a few REALLY anal tweaks, it did 
> turn out better than I had ever hoped for and it is the sort of a bike that 
> looks even better up close than it does far away.
>
> Willet M.
>
>
>
> [image: thumbnail (11).jpg]
>
> [image: thumbnail (10).jpg]
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[RBW] Re: Comebacks for when people think your bikes cost too much

2021-06-28 Thread Jason Fuller

With all respect to your wife's taste in jewelry, I just can't get past the 
fact that people question spending a few thousand dollars on a complex and 
immensely useful machine like a bike, but don't bat an eye and spending 
that kind of money on a few grams of stone and metal that has no moving 
parts and offers no function beyond being an accessory.  What a wild 
society we are a part of! 

I would just counter that this is what a bike costs if you want dependable, 
quality parts made by fairly paid people - and that in the long run, it'll 
be a good deal, because it's made to last.  (Plus it has super high resale 
value but I prefer not to think about selling!)

On Monday, 28 June 2021 at 08:32:29 UTC-7 Kushan wrote:

> Thank you all for the interesting perspectives. Keep'em coming. 
>
> I agree that how we spend the money is our business and don't need 
> validation from anyone else. However things always get interesting in a 
> family like mine with boundary issues when it comes to cost of things (the 
> first things my uncles, aunts, and cousins asked me when we got our first 
> home or get a new job was "how much?" :) ).
>
> I think the biggest surprise for me was that there was the lack of similar 
> to my wife's similarly priced jewelary. As a culture, we have accepted cost 
> of things like cars, vacations, jewelry, fancy dinners. Even the simple 
> analysis will concede that you get a lot of value out of a good bike. But 
> most people,, unless you're a cyslist yourself, still think of bikes as 
> kids plaything (as opposed to a form of recreation or transportation) and 
> so anything above $1k triggers a reaction. 
>
> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 7:50:37 AM UTC-7 aeroperf wrote:
>
>>
>> The only people who have ever asked the price were fellow bicyclists.  
>> They usually preface the question with “Nice bike!”
>> I note that most ride carbon frames, and don’t bat an eye because their 
>> bikes typically cost more.
>> And I only think they asked because they recognize that it is a modern 
>> lugged steel bike.
>>
>> It is an interesting point, however.  I’ve become well acquainted with 
>> the owner of an LBS, who has an RB-1.
>> His comment - “The boomers come in here and drop 2, 3, 4 grand on a 
>> bike.  They want carbon.  They want Ultegra.  I’m glad to sell it to them, 
>> if I have it.”
>>
>> Well-meaning loved ones know that I owned a Lotus 7 sports car for 30 
>> years.  “I sold the Lotus and bought a bike” would suffice.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Ride Quality Difference between the Atlantis and Clem H?

2021-06-28 Thread Jim Whorton

Great question and thread.  I've been wondering the same thing.  While I 
appreciate Riv's insistence on keeping stuff like frame weights and tube 
specs in the background, I have wondered what kind of difference I'd feel 
between the 59cm Clem H that I have now and an Atlantis.  We had a great 
Riv dealer here in Rochester for a while, but Yellow Haus has closed, 
unfortunately, so a test ride is unlikely.

Like Joe and Jason, I've found the Clem rides really nicely with a load.

Jim in Rochester, NY


On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 10:44:35 PM UTC-4 max.c@gmail.com wrote:

> Haha, that got a laugh out of me! I'm saving as we speak...
>
> On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 9:21:16 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Money buys lugs and butted tubing, baby. Buy up! 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 6:18:17 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> If there is one thing you can count on this group for, it's the up-sell. 
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 6:10 PM max.c@gmail.com  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks all for weighing in -- it's been helpful! It has made me think 
 (so far) that the Clem would give me more of what I currently have with my 
 mid 80s Schwinn Cimarron and the Atlantis would give me a new experience, 
 which is what I think I'm after.

 On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 6:19:52 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> That's a good point, Joe - I think the Clem's tubing is "tuned" to 
> carry a load. Thinking more about it, the bike rode best when it was 
> loaded 
> down for me.  I imagine this is true of the Atlantis too but perhaps more 
> of a lightweight camp gear load, not heavy groceries load.  
>
> I was also on the 45cm H model, which is the stiffest possible option 
> in terms of triangulation (tight front triangle, and relatively short 
> 45cm 
> stays).  That could have a lot to do with it. 
>
> On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 4:16 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> It's definitely different, you just have to know what you want a bike 
>> to do. I've owned several Clems (both styles) and they all have an 
>> unique 
>> ability to gain momentum and keep it..like once you get up to speed it 
>> kinda wants to stay there. But it's a relatively heavy cruiser which 
>> isn't 
>> going to win any races, especially up hill. Its trick is it will carry 
>> lots 
>> of stuff all day and leave you alone to sit up and look around at the 
>> scenery. A great bike for the things it's supposed to be great at, in my 
>> opinion.  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 4:04:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> This interests me, since I've thought of a Clem as a budget 
>>> "cruiser" addition to my bike wardrobe. "Cruiser" covers a multitude of 
>>> sins (quoting St Paul out of context), but all equal, I'd prefer a 
>>> frame 
>>> that didn't feel dead.
>>>
>>> Others: Do you find the Clem "non-lively" compared to other (which?) 
>>> Riv frames?
>>>
>>> Patrick "OTOH, my perfectly acceptable 2012 Monocog frame does not 
>>> present itself as 'dead'" Moore
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 4:56 PM Jason Fuller  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 ...  it cannot be overstated that the Clem is a utility bike 
 through and through:  the tubing is heavy and offers no liveliness of 
 ride 
 ...

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[RBW] ISO 42cm Struts

Riv is out of stock. Does anybody have and extra set they'd be willing to 
part with?

Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Comebacks for when people think your bikes cost too much

2021-06-28 Thread Toshi Takeuchi

Most people understand the concept of a "mid-life crisis car".  I can buy
10 bikes for the price of the "crisis" car, which I will never buy, so I
don't feel too bad.  Yes, it is non-essential to buy such a "fancy" bike,
but it is used and has big contributions to my health and well being.

Toshi

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[RBW] Re: ISO 42cm Struts

2021-06-28 Thread Garth

A little birdy whispered go to "Ben's Cycle" ! 

On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 2:33:50 PM UTC-4 Bones wrote:

> Riv is out of stock. Does anybody have and extra set they'd be willing to 
> part with?
>
> Thanks!
> Bones
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Re: [RBW] USPS Crazyness

2021-06-28 Thread David Person

Robert, the San Diego package I mentioned was actually another Shelta hat 
from Carlsbad.  Why it had to take a trip to Macon, GA is beyond me.

On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 8:42:01 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I sent a postcard to a fellow group member, mailed from Virginia but it 
> arrived in Maryland with a Salt Lake City postmark! 
>
> For the most part I've had normal delivery times with shipping parts out 
> but one outgoing package is waylaid and long overdue. 
>
> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 11:37:28 AM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Here's an interesting, relevant, and timely story:
>>
>>
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/interactive/2021/dejoy-usps-delays-by-zip-code-map/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2021, at 7:04 AM, David Person  wrote:
>>
>> Crazy things are going on at USPS.  This past week I had two packages 
>> shipped to me via USPS.  One from San Diego, CA and the other from Chico, 
>> CA.  I live just outside Los Angeles and both packages were due to arrive 3 
>> days after being shipped.  The package from San Diego made it to the USPS 
>> distribution center about 25 miles from my home in one day, which delivery 
>> expected the next day.  The next update had it in Macon, GA.  I didn't 
>> receive it till 4 days later.  The package from Chico was supposed to be 
>> here this past Saturday, but has been routed thru Birmingham, AL.  Who know 
>> when I'll see that one.  It's no wonder they are losing money, I how they 
>> get their act together. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Comebacks for when people think your bikes cost too much

As someone elsewhere suggested,

"Maybe forty-year-old men driving sports cars aren't going through a midlife 
crisis. Instead, they can finally afford the car they wanted when they were 
twenty."



On Jun 28, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

> Most people understand the concept of a "mid-life crisis car".  I can buy 10 
> bikes for the price of the "crisis" car, which I will never buy, so I don't 
> feel too bad.  Yes, it is non-essential to buy such a "fancy" bike, but it is 
> used and has big contributions to my health and well being.
> 
> Toshi
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Comebacks for when people think your bikes cost too much

2021-06-28 Thread Toshi Takeuchi

True, true, and I am able to afford my bicycle now, although I will leave
you to guess whether any existential crisis was involved with my purchase
:).

Toshi


On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 12:13 PM Matthew Williams <
matthewwilliamsdes...@gmail.com> wrote:

> As someone elsewhere suggested,
>
> "Maybe forty-year-old men driving sports cars aren't going through a
> midlife crisis. Instead, they can finally afford the car they wanted when
> they were twenty."
>
>
>
> On Jun 28, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>
> Most people understand the concept of a "mid-life crisis car".  I can buy
> 10 bikes for the price of the "crisis" car, which I will never buy, so I
> don't feel too bad.  Yes, it is non-essential to buy such a "fancy" bike,
> but it is used and has big contributions to my health and well being.
>
> Toshi
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Re: [RBW] Re: Comebacks for when people think your bikes cost too much

At first I was like "cool race bike replica" then I realized..that's a race 
bike! 



On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 12:55:08 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Since my wife just bought this as a retirement gift for herself she's 
> starting to resent the assumption that desirable ICE vehicles are purely a 
> male domain!
>
> [image: Yoshimura Suzuki GSX-R1000 Toni Elias - (39).jpg]
>
>
> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 2:34:08 PM UTC-5 ttoshi wrote:
>
>> True, true, and I am able to afford my bicycle now, although I will leave 
>> you to guess whether any existential crisis was involved with my purchase 
>> :).
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 12:13 PM Matthew Williams <
>> matthewwil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As someone elsewhere suggested,
>>>
>>> "Maybe forty-year-old men driving sports cars aren't going through a 
>>> midlife crisis. Instead, they can finally afford the car they wanted when 
>>> they were twenty."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>>>
>>> Most people understand the concept of a "mid-life crisis car".  I can 
>>> buy 10 bikes for the price of the "crisis" car, which I will never buy, so 
>>> I don't feel too bad.  Yes, it is non-essential to buy such a "fancy" bike, 
>>> but it is used and has big contributions to my health and well being.
>>>
>>> Toshi
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Comebacks for when people think your bikes cost too much

2021-06-28 Thread Philip Barrett

Wondered who would catch that! Toni Elias' 2016 Championship Superbike, not 
exactly road legal there er...officer.

Or "Jewelry by Yoshimura?"

On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 3:30:18 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> At first I was like "cool race bike replica" then I realized..that's a 
> race bike! 
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 12:55:08 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Since my wife just bought this as a retirement gift for herself she's 
>> starting to resent the assumption that desirable ICE vehicles are purely a 
>> male domain!
>>
>> [image: Yoshimura Suzuki GSX-R1000 Toni Elias - (39).jpg]
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 2:34:08 PM UTC-5 ttoshi wrote:
>>
>>> True, true, and I am able to afford my bicycle now, although I will 
>>> leave you to guess whether any existential crisis was involved with my 
>>> purchase :).
>>>
>>> Toshi
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 12:13 PM Matthew Williams <
>>> matthewwil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 As someone elsewhere suggested,

 "Maybe forty-year-old men driving sports cars aren't going through a 
 midlife crisis. Instead, they can finally afford the car they wanted when 
 they were twenty."



 On Jun 28, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

 Most people understand the concept of a "mid-life crisis car".  I can 
 buy 10 bikes for the price of the "crisis" car, which I will never buy, so 
 I don't feel too bad.  Yes, it is non-essential to buy such a "fancy" 
 bike, 
 but it is used and has big contributions to my health and well being.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Comebacks for when people think your bikes cost too much

2021-06-28 Thread 'Gerard Gunhouse' via RBW Owners Bunch

I hope she got the giant sunglasses, too 😎 *

* Sorry everybody, I know nobody else knows what we're babbling about 😋

On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 1:34:23 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wondered who would catch that! Toni Elias' 2016 Championship Superbike, 
> not exactly road legal there er...officer.
>
> Or "Jewelry by Yoshimura?"
>
> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 3:30:18 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> At first I was like "cool race bike replica" then I realized..that's a 
>> race bike! 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 12:55:08 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Since my wife just bought this as a retirement gift for herself she's 
>>> starting to resent the assumption that desirable ICE vehicles are purely a 
>>> male domain!
>>>
>>> [image: Yoshimura Suzuki GSX-R1000 Toni Elias - (39).jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 2:34:08 PM UTC-5 ttoshi wrote:
>>>
 True, true, and I am able to afford my bicycle now, although I will 
 leave you to guess whether any existential crisis was involved with my 
 purchase :).

 Toshi


 On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 12:13 PM Matthew Williams <
 matthewwil...@gmail.com> wrote:

> As someone elsewhere suggested,
>
> "Maybe forty-year-old men driving sports cars aren't going through a 
> midlife crisis. Instead, they can finally afford the car they wanted when 
> they were twenty."
>
>
>
> On Jun 28, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>
> Most people understand the concept of a "mid-life crisis car".  I can 
> buy 10 bikes for the price of the "crisis" car, which I will never buy, 
> so 
> I don't feel too bad.  Yes, it is non-essential to buy such a "fancy" 
> bike, 
> but it is used and has big contributions to my health and well being.
>
> Toshi
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Comebacks for when people think your bikes cost too much

2021-06-28 Thread Benjamin L. Kelley

Do they have zwift fake indoor "riding" for motorcycles too? or is that
trainer looking apparatus just for moving it around?

On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 3:30 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> At first I was like "cool race bike replica" then I realized..that's a
> race bike!
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 12:55:08 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Since my wife just bought this as a retirement gift for herself she's
>> starting to resent the assumption that desirable ICE vehicles are purely a
>> male domain!
>>
>> [image: Yoshimura Suzuki GSX-R1000 Toni Elias - (39).jpg]
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 2:34:08 PM UTC-5 ttoshi wrote:
>>
>>> True, true, and I am able to afford my bicycle now, although I will
>>> leave you to guess whether any existential crisis was involved with my
>>> purchase :).
>>>
>>> Toshi
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 12:13 PM Matthew Williams <
>>> matthewwil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 As someone elsewhere suggested,

 "Maybe forty-year-old men driving sports cars aren't going through a
 midlife crisis. Instead, they can finally afford the car they wanted when
 they were twenty."



 On Jun 28, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

 Most people understand the concept of a "mid-life crisis car".  I can
 buy 10 bikes for the price of the "crisis" car, which I will never buy, so
 I don't feel too bad.  Yes, it is non-essential to buy such a "fancy" bike,
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[RBW] Re: Comebacks for when people think your bikes cost too much

2021-06-28 Thread velomann

There are so many possible comebacks...

As others have pointed out, f you're not a bike person, that world is a 
different planet for you, as evidenced by transportation planners and 
politicians who can't see beyond bikes as toys that some adults apparently 
haven't outgrown.

I realize this doesn't apply universally, but for me if I felt the need to 
justify the costs (I don't), it would go something like this. there's four 
of us living in our home and we've chosen to own one car. I ride 
everywhere. AAA estimates the cost of owning a car (NOT counting the 
purchase price) at about $800/month, which includes insurance, fuel, 
maintenance, depreciation, licensing, etc. And that does not count the 
health care cost incurred by people who live a sedentary lifestyle. I'm 61 
years old, weigh the same as I did 30 years ago, my resting heart rate is 
in the low 50s, and I spent zero on prescription drugs last year. It's not 
all about the bike, but a lot of it is. And every time I ride I smile. 
Every. Time. Which from what I can see is not the experience of most of the 
drivers around me.
Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy a bike and that's pretty close.

Mike M

On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 8:12:57 PM UTC-7 Kushan wrote:

> Wife and recently marked the 10th anniversary and decided to get each 
> other nice presents. She is getting me an Appaloosa built and I got her 
> something she really wanted in the jewelry department (of 20-30% higher 
> value than the bike). 
>
> We are both financially responsible people, don't live lavishly, and can 
> afford both items. However, the reactions of the friends and family who 
> hear about our gifts and their values have been somewhat puzzling for me. 
> While no one has given a second thought to the price of the jewelry, the 
> reactions on the bike have almost universally been that of astonishment. 
> And these are from people who know me well, know I enjoy cycling, and that 
> I only have one bike right now which I am planning to sell when the new one 
> arrives.
>
> So that got me thinking, I can't be the only one who has experienced this. 
> What are some other similar stories? More importantly, what do you say to a 
> well-meaning loved one when they ask things like "$3500 for a bike?" and 
> "but isn't your current bike orange too?"
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Re: [RBW] Re: Comebacks for when people think your bikes cost too much

2021-06-28 Thread Philip Barrett

There's no integrated stand (Grant would have a field day with this) so 
this is used to support the bike sans rider. But your idea is actually 
pretty brilliant, except for the carbon monoxide part I guess?

On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 3:41:07 PM UTC-5 Benjamin Kelley wrote:

> Do they have zwift fake indoor "riding" for motorcycles too? or is that 
> trainer looking apparatus just for moving it around?
>
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 3:30 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> At first I was like "cool race bike replica" then I realized..that's a 
>> race bike! 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 12:55:08 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Since my wife just bought this as a retirement gift for herself she's 
>>> starting to resent the assumption that desirable ICE vehicles are purely a 
>>> male domain!
>>>
>>> [image: Yoshimura Suzuki GSX-R1000 Toni Elias - (39).jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 2:34:08 PM UTC-5 ttoshi wrote:
>>>
 True, true, and I am able to afford my bicycle now, although I will 
 leave you to guess whether any existential crisis was involved with my 
 purchase :).

 Toshi


 On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 12:13 PM Matthew Williams <
 matthewwil...@gmail.com> wrote:

> As someone elsewhere suggested,
>
> "Maybe forty-year-old men driving sports cars aren't going through a 
> midlife crisis. Instead, they can finally afford the car they wanted when 
> they were twenty."
>
>
>
> On Jun 28, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>
> Most people understand the concept of a "mid-life crisis car".  I can 
> buy 10 bikes for the price of the "crisis" car, which I will never buy, 
> so 
> I don't feel too bad.  Yes, it is non-essential to buy such a "fancy" 
> bike, 
> but it is used and has big contributions to my health and well being.
>
> Toshi
>
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[RBW] Re: Comebacks for when people think your bikes cost too much

2021-06-28 Thread Jeffrey Arita

I 100% agree with Joel Stern - better to simply not state how much it 
cost.  Cost, like many things, is relative.  What is inexpensive for some 
is extravagant for others.  Keep the cost private.

Jeff
Claremont, CA

On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 8:43:51 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:

> Of the few people I have told about the cost of the bikes I have only a 
> couple get it, one is a bike guy.  Most people will not get it.  It’s the 
> same with guitars, cameras, etc.  Best to not discuss with those that 
> really do not get it.  For most $1,000 is an extravagant bike.  Jewelry, 
> watches, best not to discuss.  
>
> On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 11:12:57 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:
>
>> Wife and recently marked the 10th anniversary and decided to get each 
>> other nice presents. She is getting me an Appaloosa built and I got her 
>> something she really wanted in the jewelry department (of 20-30% higher 
>> value than the bike). 
>>
>> We are both financially responsible people, don't live lavishly, and can 
>> afford both items. However, the reactions of the friends and family who 
>> hear about our gifts and their values have been somewhat puzzling for me. 
>> While no one has given a second thought to the price of the jewelry, the 
>> reactions on the bike have almost universally been that of astonishment. 
>> And these are from people who know me well, know I enjoy cycling, and that 
>> I only have one bike right now which I am planning to sell when the new one 
>> arrives.
>>
>> So that got me thinking, I can't be the only one who has experienced 
>> this. What are some other similar stories? More importantly, what do you 
>> say to a well-meaning loved one when they ask things like "$3500 for a 
>> bike?" and "but isn't your current bike orange too?"
>>
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[RBW] Have you ever considered trading in your Sam for an Appaloosa?

2021-06-28 Thread Damien

So here's the situation. I've got a super hot lead on an orange 51
Appaloosa, but I'm already deep in it with a sage 51 canti Sam. Initially,
when I was looking at these bikes, I was torn between the two. I ultimately
leaned Sam because at the time I liked the colour and it was more
available. Well, things change I guess! I'm more seriously entertaining a
move to the Appaloosa because:

- Sweet long chainstays
- Can carry more (?? Is this true??)
- Will likely work better for me with upright bars (Sam felt too cramped
for me with Albas)
- Better tire clearance for fattish knubblies or fatter tires + fenderage

What I would love to do here is tap the forum's collective wisdom to see if
the grass is really greener. Has anyone made the move from Sam to
Appaloosa, or vice versa? What were your feelings? What did you miss on the
old bike when you made the move? What did you love about the new bike that
the old bike couldn't live up to?

I'm approaching this a bit more cautiously since I already regret selling
another Riv I owned (Roadini - my regret is well documented, I believe).
That said, I imagine I'll need to act fast to get the bike before someone
snags it. In a perfect world I'd keep both, but we all know the world isn't
perfect, and I do have to live within the very real constraints imposed
upon me by my lovely partner who for some reason isn't cool with me having
umpteen bikes.

Anyways, enough of my incessant rambling. Thank you for reading and helping
to encourage my hobby of buying bikes then selling then replacing then
modifying then selling then replacing then buying then crying then selling
then complaining then... (and so on and so forth).

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[RBW] Re: Have you ever considered trading in your Sam for an Appaloosa?

2021-06-28 Thread Bill Lindsay

Clearly you need both.  The Samuel Hillborne should be set up with drop 
bars and road tires, and should be your all-road machine.  A Joe Appaloosa 
with much wider tires and Albatross bars would be a great complement to 
that Hillborne.  The one you discard from your stable is the one you would 
never ride.  Those two bikes are very different bikes.  You need them both, 
unless your cycling activities are a single, focused kind of activity.  It 
would be a stretch to build out a Hillborne trying to make it be an 
Appaloosa.  It would be a stretch to build out an Appaloosa with skinny 
tires and drop bars and try to make it into more of a sporty road bike.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 2:30:58 PM UTC-7 Damien wrote:

> So here's the situation. I've got a super hot lead on an orange 51 
> Appaloosa, but I'm already deep in it with a sage 51 canti Sam. Initially, 
> when I was looking at these bikes, I was torn between the two. I ultimately 
> leaned Sam because at the time I liked the colour and it was more 
> available. Well, things change I guess! I'm more seriously entertaining a 
> move to the Appaloosa because:
>
>- Sweet long chainstays
>- Can carry more (?? Is this true??)
>- Will likely work better for me with upright bars (Sam felt too 
>cramped for me with Albas)
>- Better tire clearance for fattish knubblies or fatter tires + 
>fenderage
>
> What I would love to do here is tap the forum's collective wisdom to see 
> if the grass is really greener. Has anyone made the move from Sam to 
> Appaloosa, or vice versa? What were your feelings? What did you miss on the 
> old bike when you made the move? What did you love about the new bike that 
> the old bike couldn't live up to?
>
> I'm approaching this a bit more cautiously since I already regret selling 
> another Riv I owned (Roadini - my regret is well documented, I believe). 
> That said, I imagine I'll need to act fast to get the bike before someone 
> snags it. In a perfect world I'd keep both, but we all know the world isn't 
> perfect, and I do have to live within the very real constraints imposed 
> upon me by my lovely partner who for some reason isn't cool with me having 
> umpteen bikes.
>
> Anyways, enough of my incessant rambling. Thank you for reading and 
> helping to encourage my hobby of buying bikes then selling then replacing 
> then modifying then selling then replacing then buying then crying then 
> selling then complaining then... (and so on and so forth). 
>

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[RBW] Re: Comebacks for when people think your bikes cost too much

2021-06-28 Thread Kushan

Speaking of mid-life crisis car, I am going to need one of these 

 
for my bike :) 

On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 2:21:23 PM UTC-7 Jeffrey Arita wrote:

> I 100% agree with Joel Stern - better to simply not state how much it 
> cost.  Cost, like many things, is relative.  What is inexpensive for some 
> is extravagant for others.  Keep the cost private.
>
> Jeff
> Claremont, CA
>
> On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 8:43:51 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Of the few people I have told about the cost of the bikes I have only a 
>> couple get it, one is a bike guy.  Most people will not get it.  It’s the 
>> same with guitars, cameras, etc.  Best to not discuss with those that 
>> really do not get it.  For most $1,000 is an extravagant bike.  Jewelry, 
>> watches, best not to discuss.  
>>
>> On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 11:12:57 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:
>>
>>> Wife and recently marked the 10th anniversary and decided to get each 
>>> other nice presents. She is getting me an Appaloosa built and I got her 
>>> something she really wanted in the jewelry department (of 20-30% higher 
>>> value than the bike). 
>>>
>>> We are both financially responsible people, don't live lavishly, and can 
>>> afford both items. However, the reactions of the friends and family who 
>>> hear about our gifts and their values have been somewhat puzzling for me. 
>>> While no one has given a second thought to the price of the jewelry, the 
>>> reactions on the bike have almost universally been that of astonishment. 
>>> And these are from people who know me well, know I enjoy cycling, and that 
>>> I only have one bike right now which I am planning to sell when the new one 
>>> arrives.
>>>
>>> So that got me thinking, I can't be the only one who has experienced 
>>> this. What are some other similar stories? More importantly, what do you 
>>> say to a well-meaning loved one when they ask things like "$3500 for a 
>>> bike?" and "but isn't your current bike orange too?"
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Comebacks for when people think your bikes cost too much

2021-06-28 Thread A. Douglas M.

This is such an interesting topic from a sociological perspective. 

The idea that we don’t want to talk about costs with others has always 
confused me. My wife says it’s because people make judgments about others, 
but who cares?

Ultimately, it’s a conversation about the application of subjective values. 
Do Rivendells cost a lot? To me, with my income, yes. To others with 
theirs, no. Do I think they’re a great bargain? Totally. Do I care if 
someone thinks I spent too much? No. Unless I overpaid out of ignorance, 
but that’s really my own fault.

I wouldn’t want a comeback for someone having a different opinion of value 
than me. It’s one of the great things about people. We value things 
differently. Even people spending the same amount on a specialized carbon 
bike would think were silly for spending that much on a heavy steel bike. 
And what do we think of their purchase?

Did you know some people don’t like Brussels sprouts? I can’t believe it 
either.

Best,

Aaron in El Paso 
On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 3:50:29 PM UTC-6 Kushan wrote:

> Speaking of mid-life crisis car, I am going to need one of these 
> 
>  
> for my bike :) 
>
> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 2:21:23 PM UTC-7 Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>
>> I 100% agree with Joel Stern - better to simply not state how much it 
>> cost.  Cost, like many things, is relative.  What is inexpensive for some 
>> is extravagant for others.  Keep the cost private.
>>
>> Jeff
>> Claremont, CA
>>
>> On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 8:43:51 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> Of the few people I have told about the cost of the bikes I have only a 
>>> couple get it, one is a bike guy.  Most people will not get it.  It’s the 
>>> same with guitars, cameras, etc.  Best to not discuss with those that 
>>> really do not get it.  For most $1,000 is an extravagant bike.  Jewelry, 
>>> watches, best not to discuss.  
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 11:12:57 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:
>>>
 Wife and recently marked the 10th anniversary and decided to get each 
 other nice presents. She is getting me an Appaloosa built and I got her 
 something she really wanted in the jewelry department (of 20-30% higher 
 value than the bike). 

 We are both financially responsible people, don't live lavishly, and 
 can afford both items. However, the reactions of the friends and family 
 who 
 hear about our gifts and their values have been somewhat puzzling for me. 
 While no one has given a second thought to the price of the jewelry, the 
 reactions on the bike have almost universally been that of astonishment. 
 And these are from people who know me well, know I enjoy cycling, and that 
 I only have one bike right now which I am planning to sell when the new 
 one 
 arrives.

 So that got me thinking, I can't be the only one who has experienced 
 this. What are some other similar stories? More importantly, what do you 
 say to a well-meaning loved one when they ask things like "$3500 for a 
 bike?" and "but isn't your current bike orange too?"

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Comebacks for when people think your bikes cost too much

2021-06-28 Thread dougP

When I'm asked the "how much it costs?" question by non-bike people, my 
response is "...oh, are you interested in getting one?..."  If the answer 
is "no", my rude response is "then it doesn't matter".  It's curt enough to 
end the conversation.  I recall the old adage about someone who knows the 
price of everything but the value of nothing.  

dougP

On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 2:21:23 PM UTC-7 Jeffrey Arita wrote:

> I 100% agree with Joel Stern - better to simply not state how much it 
> cost.  Cost, like many things, is relative.  What is inexpensive for some 
> is extravagant for others.  Keep the cost private.
>
> Jeff
> Claremont, CA
>
> On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 8:43:51 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Of the few people I have told about the cost of the bikes I have only a 
>> couple get it, one is a bike guy.  Most people will not get it.  It’s the 
>> same with guitars, cameras, etc.  Best to not discuss with those that 
>> really do not get it.  For most $1,000 is an extravagant bike.  Jewelry, 
>> watches, best not to discuss.  
>>
>> On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 11:12:57 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:
>>
>>> Wife and recently marked the 10th anniversary and decided to get each 
>>> other nice presents. She is getting me an Appaloosa built and I got her 
>>> something she really wanted in the jewelry department (of 20-30% higher 
>>> value than the bike). 
>>>
>>> We are both financially responsible people, don't live lavishly, and can 
>>> afford both items. However, the reactions of the friends and family who 
>>> hear about our gifts and their values have been somewhat puzzling for me. 
>>> While no one has given a second thought to the price of the jewelry, the 
>>> reactions on the bike have almost universally been that of astonishment. 
>>> And these are from people who know me well, know I enjoy cycling, and that 
>>> I only have one bike right now which I am planning to sell when the new one 
>>> arrives.
>>>
>>> So that got me thinking, I can't be the only one who has experienced 
>>> this. What are some other similar stories? More importantly, what do you 
>>> say to a well-meaning loved one when they ask things like "$3500 for a 
>>> bike?" and "but isn't your current bike orange too?"
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: PARTS & ACCESSORIES

SOLD

STRONGLIGHT DELTA AND A9 HEADSETS
GILLES BERTHOUD FRONT RACK
VINTAGE FRENCH DERAILLEUR CABLES

On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 3:52:52 PM UTC-4 Gerard Gunhouse wrote:

> I have decided to pare down some parts duplicates.  Most if not all the 
> parts listed are either new in the box, like new or have never been mounted 
> on a frame. Pictures are included via Flickr. please feel free to PM me if 
> you may have any questions.
>
> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmW4KhM9
>
> Thank you for your consideration
>
> (1) SUGINO XD2 600   46/36/26  170MM   $125
> NEW/BOX
> (2) MKS SYLVAN TRACK PEDALS BLACK/CHROME  $25 (PAIR)  
> NEW/BOX
> (1) STRONGLIGHT DELTA HEADSET   $55.00
> BRITISH  26.4   NEW/BOX
> (1) STRONGLIGHT A9 HEADSET   $50.00
> BRITISH 26.4  NEW/BOX
> (1)DURA ACE HB 7700 FRONT HUB$100
> 36 H  NEW/BOX
> (1) NITTO DREAM BAR 46 HEAT TREATED   $60.00 
> MOD 176  NEW/ NEVER MOUNTED  
> (1) GILLES BERTHOUD FRONT RACK$75.00  
> ADJUSTABLE W/ LIGHTING MOUNT
> CANTILEVER OR V BRAKESNEW
> (1) GILLES BERTHOUD SMALL SADDLE BAG  $45.00
> #GB288 BLACK   NEW
> (2) RIVENDELL BAGGINS BANNANA BAG  $100 (EACH)
> NEW/NEVER USED
> (4) SCHWALBE MARATHON PLUS TIRES  $45.00 (EACH)
> SMART GUARD 700C X 35   NEW
> (4) CONTI TOP TOURING 2000  $20.00 EACH
> 700C X 32  NEW   (PROPERLY STORED)
> (4) TUBES 700C 35-43   $5.00 (EACH)
> PRESTA
> (4) MAVIC MA3  RIMS   $45.00 (EACH) 
> 700C 36H  NEW
> (1) PARK CABLE/HOUSING CUTTER CN-10  $30.00
> NEW/POUCH
> (3) VINTAGE HURET/SIMPLEX DERAILLEUR CABLE  (NO CHARGE)
> (1) SIDI GENIUS 4 LORICA SHOE   $100  
> 43.0 NEW/BOX
> (1) SIDI TOURING SHOE   $125 
> 42.0 NEW/BOX 
>
> SHIPPING NOT INCLUDED
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: PARTS & ACCESSORIES

2021-06-28 Thread Peter Adler

FYI: I rode Conti Top Touring 2000s in 700x32 for years; they're utterly 
indestructable, and much lighter and better riding than the Top Contacts 
with which Continental replaced them. I didn't switch to luxo lightweight 
tires (Soma New Express, then a pair of much heavier Panaracer prototypes I 
got at a Riv yard sale, now Gravel King slicks) until I'd burned through my 
entire stash of the Top Tourings and resigned myself to tires someone was 
still manufacturing. If I hadn't switched to wider+lighter tires already, 
I'd buy Gunner's four TT2000s and get 15 years and/or 15K miles out of them.

Somebody buy these.

Peter Adler
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 3:04:25 PM UTC-7 gpgun...@aol.com wrote:

> SOLD
>
> STRONGLIGHT DELTA AND A9 HEADSETS
> GILLES BERTHOUD FRONT RACK
> VINTAGE FRENCH DERAILLEUR CABLES
>
> On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 3:52:52 PM UTC-4 Gerard Gunhouse wrote:
>
>> I have decided to pare down some parts duplicates.  Most if not all the 
>> parts listed are either new in the box, like new or have never been mounted 
>> on a frame. Pictures are included via Flickr. please feel free to PM me if 
>> you may have any questions.
>>
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmW4KhM9
>>
>> Thank you for your consideration
>>
>> (1) SUGINO XD2 600   46/36/26  170MM   $125
>> NEW/BOX
>> (2) MKS SYLVAN TRACK PEDALS BLACK/CHROME  $25 (PAIR)  
>> NEW/BOX
>> (1) STRONGLIGHT DELTA HEADSET   $55.00
>> BRITISH  26.4   NEW/BOX
>> (1) STRONGLIGHT A9 HEADSET   $50.00
>> BRITISH 26.4  NEW/BOX
>> (1)DURA ACE HB 7700 FRONT HUB$100
>> 36 H  NEW/BOX
>> (1) NITTO DREAM BAR 46 HEAT TREATED   $60.00 
>> MOD 176  NEW/ NEVER MOUNTED  
>> (1) GILLES BERTHOUD FRONT RACK$75.00  
>> ADJUSTABLE W/ LIGHTING MOUNT
>> CANTILEVER OR V BRAKESNEW
>> (1) GILLES BERTHOUD SMALL SADDLE BAG  $45.00
>> #GB288 BLACK   NEW
>> (2) RIVENDELL BAGGINS BANNANA BAG  $100 (EACH)
>> NEW/NEVER USED
>> (4) SCHWALBE MARATHON PLUS TIRES  $45.00 (EACH)
>> SMART GUARD 700C X 35   NEW
>> (4) CONTI TOP TOURING 2000  $20.00 EACH
>> 700C X 32  NEW   (PROPERLY STORED)
>> (4) TUBES 700C 35-43   $5.00 (EACH)
>> PRESTA
>> (4) MAVIC MA3  RIMS   $45.00 (EACH) 
>> 700C 36H  NEW
>> (1) PARK CABLE/HOUSING CUTTER CN-10  $30.00
>> NEW/POUCH
>> (3) VINTAGE HURET/SIMPLEX DERAILLEUR CABLE  (NO CHARGE)
>> (1) SIDI GENIUS 4 LORICA SHOE   $100  
>> 43.0 NEW/BOX
>> (1) SIDI TOURING SHOE   $125 
>> 42.0 NEW/BOX 
>>
>> SHIPPING NOT INCLUDED
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 58cm Appaloosa

Bumping this again! I'm still looking for a 58cm Appaloosa, with the double top 
tubes.

Please let me know if you know of one for sale!

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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

Rambouillet
50cm
$1899
Douglaston, NY

https://newyork.craigslist.org/que/bid/d/little-neck-rivendell-rambouillet-50cm/7343474050.html

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[RBW] Re: Have you ever considered trading in your Sam for an Appaloosa?

It's a sellers market right now, which may not be helpful on the Appaloosa 
end for you but you'll definitely get decent money for your Hillborne. I've 
only ridden the Appa (it's great) so can't compare, but I say get the model 
and color you really want. 

Joe "always keep the custom, anything else can come and go on a moment's 
notice" Bernard

On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 2:30:58 PM UTC-7 Damien wrote:

> So here's the situation. I've got a super hot lead on an orange 51 
> Appaloosa, but I'm already deep in it with a sage 51 canti Sam. Initially, 
> when I was looking at these bikes, I was torn between the two. I ultimately 
> leaned Sam because at the time I liked the colour and it was more 
> available. Well, things change I guess! I'm more seriously entertaining a 
> move to the Appaloosa because:
>
>- Sweet long chainstays
>- Can carry more (?? Is this true??)
>- Will likely work better for me with upright bars (Sam felt too 
>cramped for me with Albas)
>- Better tire clearance for fattish knubblies or fatter tires + 
>fenderage
>
> What I would love to do here is tap the forum's collective wisdom to see 
> if the grass is really greener. Has anyone made the move from Sam to 
> Appaloosa, or vice versa? What were your feelings? What did you miss on the 
> old bike when you made the move? What did you love about the new bike that 
> the old bike couldn't live up to?
>
> I'm approaching this a bit more cautiously since I already regret selling 
> another Riv I owned (Roadini - my regret is well documented, I believe). 
> That said, I imagine I'll need to act fast to get the bike before someone 
> snags it. In a perfect world I'd keep both, but we all know the world isn't 
> perfect, and I do have to live within the very real constraints imposed 
> upon me by my lovely partner who for some reason isn't cool with me having 
> umpteen bikes.
>
> Anyways, enough of my incessant rambling. Thank you for reading and 
> helping to encourage my hobby of buying bikes then selling then replacing 
> then modifying then selling then replacing then buying then crying then 
> selling then complaining then... (and so on and so forth). 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Comebacks for when people think your bikes cost too much

2021-06-28 Thread 'JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch

I grew up in metro NY, we always asked what something costs, it was an ok thing 
to do. I moved to CT after grad school, then later to MA. That’s when I learned 
here it is considered rude to ask what something cost. But a little preface, 
‘do you mind if I ask’ goes a long way. Still, I don’t like to talk about cost 
of things with those that would not get it.

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On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 5:56 PM, A. Douglas M.  wrote:

> This is such an interesting topic from a sociological perspective.
>
> The idea that we don’t want to talk about costs with others has always 
> confused me. My wife says it’s because people make judgments about others, 
> but who cares?
>
> Ultimately, it’s a conversation about the application of subjective values. 
> Do Rivendells cost a lot? To me, with my income, yes. To others with theirs, 
> no. Do I think they’re a great bargain? Totally. Do I care if someone thinks 
> I spent too much? No. Unless I overpaid out of ignorance, but that’s really 
> my own fault.
>
> I wouldn’t want a comeback for someone having a different opinion of value 
> than me. It’s one of the great things about people. We value things 
> differently. Even people spending the same amount on a specialized carbon 
> bike would think were silly for spending that much on a heavy steel bike. And 
> what do we think of their purchase?
>
> Did you know some people don’t like Brussels sprouts? I can’t believe it 
> either.
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso
> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 3:50:29 PM UTC-6 Kushan wrote:
>
>> Speaking of mid-life crisis car, I am going to need [one of 
>> these](https://www.amazon.com/CafePress-MidLife-Crisis-Sticker-Rectangle/dp/B00PRA1VE2?th=1)
>>  for my bike :)
>>
>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 2:21:23 PM UTC-7 Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>>
>>> I 100% agree with Joel Stern - better to simply not state how much it cost. 
>>> Cost, like many things, is relative. What is inexpensive for some is 
>>> extravagant for others. Keep the cost private.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>> Claremont, CA
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 8:43:51 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 Of the few people I have told about the cost of the bikes I have only a 
 couple get it, one is a bike guy. Most people will not get it. It’s the 
 same with guitars, cameras, etc. Best to not discuss with those that 
 really do not get it. For most $1,000 is an extravagant bike. Jewelry, 
 watches, best not to discuss.

 On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 11:12:57 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:

> Wife and recently marked the 10th anniversary and decided to get each 
> other nice presents. She is getting me an Appaloosa built and I got her 
> something she really wanted in the jewelry department (of 20-30% higher 
> value than the bike).
>
> We are both financially responsible people, don't live lavishly, and can 
> afford both items. However, the reactions of the friends and family who 
> hear about our gifts and their values have been somewhat puzzling for me. 
> While no one has given a second thought to the price of the jewelry, the 
> reactions on the bike have almost universally been that of astonishment. 
> And these are from people who know me well, know I enjoy cycling, and 
> that I only have one bike right now which I am planning to sell when the 
> new one arrives.
>
> So that got me thinking, I can't be the only one who has experienced 
> this. What are some other similar stories? More importantly, what do you 
> say to a well-meaning loved one when they ask things like "$3500 for a 
> bike?" and "but isn't your current bike orange too?"
>
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[RBW] Re: a worthy Bombadil is back on the road at long last...

2021-06-28 Thread 'WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch

Those fenders actually made it into the final build based on a suggestion 
that you (Jason) gave me many months ago as I was contemplating which 
direction to go with the frameset.  I eventually decided to go "all silver" 
or as close to it as I could possibly get, and the Flat 65's from Simworks 
were a good match for the 29x2.1 tires that I was planning on using.  They 
ended up being perfect for the tires, and they didn't take up much room 
vertically either.  But both front and back fenders were too wide for the 
fork blades and seat stays, so I did have to notch them pretty 
significantly and then try to keep the notches aligned as I mounted 
hardware to the fenders and then the fenders to the frame.  Somewhat 
shockingly, the notches fit so closely and line up so perfectly that it's 
hard to tell they've been modified without shining a flashlight on it.  

At $167 shipped for the fenders, I was HIGHLY motivated to get it right the 
first time!

Thanks again for your helpful suggestions over the winter.  I still have 
the Proto-Bombadil built up and it fits my short-legs-long-torso dimensions 
better than this one does (mostly due to a different bar/stem choice).  So 
this one is for Show and the Protovelo is for Go.  I couldn't be happier or 
more proud of both, as they were bucket list items for a number of years 
before I somehow lucked into getting both of them as framesets within less 
than a year of each other.

Willet M.

On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 11:42:31 AM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Wow, that thing is gorgeous.  Nice build!!  I love the unique color. Looks 
> salmon to me. Still undecided whether I'll invest in a paintjob for mine!  
> And yeah I wouldn't have even considered the threadless bullmoose despite 
> being well aware of the existence of said adapter, and it looks as clean as 
> a quill version would have.  
>
> On Sunday, 27 June 2021 at 20:05:37 UTC-7 WilletM wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm happy to report that the 
>> non-creamsicle-but-still-pretty-dang-orange-y Bombadil frame that I bought 
>> here last September from Jamison B. is all built up and ready to do a 
>> little Bombadilling (thanks for that, Jason!) in the Rocky Mountains of 
>> western Colorado.  Though it's destined to be more of a show pony than a 
>> workhorse like Jason's rig, I did do a fairly premium build on this one 
>> that I'm sure would hold up for rigorous off-roading or even moderate 
>> bikepacking if only my legs were a little longer.  
>>
>> Particularly noteworthy on this build are the lovely fillet-and-nickel 
>> Nitto bullmoose bars, which turned out a lot better than I was expecting 
>> given that I used a quill-to-threadless adapter to mate the 1" threaded 
>> steerer to the 1 1/8" threadless bar/stem combo.  I also ended up pretty 
>> thrilled with the wheelset, which Peter White built up with custom Velocity 
>> Cliffhangers (silver anodized with machined sidewalls) laced up to a 
>> polished Phil Wood cassette hub in back and a special "Peter White Cycles" 
>> edition SONdelux Wide Body dynamo hub up front.  Other parts include Sugino 
>> cranks and seatpost, Brooks Alpe D'Huez saddle, Schmidt Edelux2 headlight, 
>> SimWorks/Honjo fenders, Paul Neo-Retro's and Love Levers, etc, etc.  It was 
>> NOT, very frankly, an inexpensive build.
>>
>> On the bright side, it did provide hours and hours and hours of diversion 
>> during the Covid shutdowns and bike parts shortages.  And I got lots of 
>> practice using various dremel attachments and hand files and many other 
>> specialized bike tools in order to fit the fenders under the rack and over 
>> the canti brakes and 29x2.1 knobby tires.  In the end, having just mostly 
>> finished it up this weekend except for a few REALLY anal tweaks, it did 
>> turn out better than I had ever hoped for and it is the sort of a bike that 
>> looks even better up close than it does far away.
>>
>> Willet M.
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: thumbnail (11).jpg]
>>
>> [image: thumbnail (10).jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: a worthy Bombadil is back on the road at long last...

2021-06-28 Thread Chris L

That's a great looking bike!!  

I have a Hunqapillar but I still sometimes feel like the Bombadil was 
actually THE Riv for me.   I don't know if the geometry and tire clearance 
would even work for me but something about it speaks to me, and they are 
even more rare than Hunqapillars!

On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 7:03:28 PM UTC-5 WilletM wrote:

>
> Those fenders actually made it into the final build based on a suggestion 
> that you (Jason) gave me many months ago as I was contemplating which 
> direction to go with the frameset.  I eventually decided to go "all silver" 
> or as close to it as I could possibly get, and the Flat 65's from Simworks 
> were a good match for the 29x2.1 tires that I was planning on using.  They 
> ended up being perfect for the tires, and they didn't take up much room 
> vertically either.  But both front and back fenders were too wide for the 
> fork blades and seat stays, so I did have to notch them pretty 
> significantly and then try to keep the notches aligned as I mounted 
> hardware to the fenders and then the fenders to the frame.  Somewhat 
> shockingly, the notches fit so closely and line up so perfectly that it's 
> hard to tell they've been modified without shining a flashlight on it.  
>
> At $167 shipped for the fenders, I was HIGHLY motivated to get it right 
> the first time!
>
> Thanks again for your helpful suggestions over the winter.  I still have 
> the Proto-Bombadil built up and it fits my short-legs-long-torso dimensions 
> better than this one does (mostly due to a different bar/stem choice).  So 
> this one is for Show and the Protovelo is for Go.  I couldn't be happier or 
> more proud of both, as they were bucket list items for a number of years 
> before I somehow lucked into getting both of them as framesets within less 
> than a year of each other.
>
> Willet M.
>
> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 11:42:31 AM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Wow, that thing is gorgeous.  Nice build!!  I love the unique color. 
>> Looks salmon to me. Still undecided whether I'll invest in a paintjob for 
>> mine!  And yeah I wouldn't have even considered the threadless bullmoose 
>> despite being well aware of the existence of said adapter, and it looks as 
>> clean as a quill version would have.  
>>
>> On Sunday, 27 June 2021 at 20:05:37 UTC-7 WilletM wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm happy to report that the 
>>> non-creamsicle-but-still-pretty-dang-orange-y Bombadil frame that I bought 
>>> here last September from Jamison B. is all built up and ready to do a 
>>> little Bombadilling (thanks for that, Jason!) in the Rocky Mountains of 
>>> western Colorado.  Though it's destined to be more of a show pony than a 
>>> workhorse like Jason's rig, I did do a fairly premium build on this one 
>>> that I'm sure would hold up for rigorous off-roading or even moderate 
>>> bikepacking if only my legs were a little longer.  
>>>
>>> Particularly noteworthy on this build are the lovely fillet-and-nickel 
>>> Nitto bullmoose bars, which turned out a lot better than I was expecting 
>>> given that I used a quill-to-threadless adapter to mate the 1" threaded 
>>> steerer to the 1 1/8" threadless bar/stem combo.  I also ended up pretty 
>>> thrilled with the wheelset, which Peter White built up with custom Velocity 
>>> Cliffhangers (silver anodized with machined sidewalls) laced up to a 
>>> polished Phil Wood cassette hub in back and a special "Peter White Cycles" 
>>> edition SONdelux Wide Body dynamo hub up front.  Other parts include Sugino 
>>> cranks and seatpost, Brooks Alpe D'Huez saddle, Schmidt Edelux2 headlight, 
>>> SimWorks/Honjo fenders, Paul Neo-Retro's and Love Levers, etc, etc.  It was 
>>> NOT, very frankly, an inexpensive build.
>>>
>>> On the bright side, it did provide hours and hours and hours of 
>>> diversion during the Covid shutdowns and bike parts shortages.  And I got 
>>> lots of practice using various dremel attachments and hand files and many 
>>> other specialized bike tools in order to fit the fenders under the rack and 
>>> over the canti brakes and 29x2.1 knobby tires.  In the end, having just 
>>> mostly finished it up this weekend except for a few REALLY anal tweaks, it 
>>> did turn out better than I had ever hoped for and it is the sort of a bike 
>>> that looks even better up close than it does far away.
>>>
>>> Willet M.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: thumbnail (11).jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: thumbnail (10).jpg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: a worthy Bombadil is back on the road at long last...

2021-06-28 Thread Jason Fuller

Willet - oh wow, glad I could be of help! Other than misleading you into
thinking the 65's would fit, now you're a cautionary tale for me if I ever
need to replace my fenders haha..

Chris - Ha, I feel that way about the 53cm 650B Hunq.. I guess the grass is
always greener!

On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 5:03 PM 'WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> Those fenders actually made it into the final build based on a suggestion
> that you (Jason) gave me many months ago as I was contemplating which
> direction to go with the frameset.  I eventually decided to go "all silver"
> or as close to it as I could possibly get, and the Flat 65's from Simworks
> were a good match for the 29x2.1 tires that I was planning on using.  They
> ended up being perfect for the tires, and they didn't take up much room
> vertically either.  But both front and back fenders were too wide for the
> fork blades and seat stays, so I did have to notch them pretty
> significantly and then try to keep the notches aligned as I mounted
> hardware to the fenders and then the fenders to the frame.  Somewhat
> shockingly, the notches fit so closely and line up so perfectly that it's
> hard to tell they've been modified without shining a flashlight on it.
>
> At $167 shipped for the fenders, I was HIGHLY motivated to get it right
> the first time!
>
> Thanks again for your helpful suggestions over the winter.  I still have
> the Proto-Bombadil built up and it fits my short-legs-long-torso dimensions
> better than this one does (mostly due to a different bar/stem choice).  So
> this one is for Show and the Protovelo is for Go.  I couldn't be happier or
> more proud of both, as they were bucket list items for a number of years
> before I somehow lucked into getting both of them as framesets within less
> than a year of each other.
>
> Willet M.
>
> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 11:42:31 AM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Wow, that thing is gorgeous.  Nice build!!  I love the unique color.
>> Looks salmon to me. Still undecided whether I'll invest in a paintjob for
>> mine!  And yeah I wouldn't have even considered the threadless bullmoose
>> despite being well aware of the existence of said adapter, and it looks as
>> clean as a quill version would have.
>>
>> On Sunday, 27 June 2021 at 20:05:37 UTC-7 WilletM wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm happy to report that the
>>> non-creamsicle-but-still-pretty-dang-orange-y Bombadil frame that I bought
>>> here last September from Jamison B. is all built up and ready to do a
>>> little Bombadilling (thanks for that, Jason!) in the Rocky Mountains of
>>> western Colorado.  Though it's destined to be more of a show pony than a
>>> workhorse like Jason's rig, I did do a fairly premium build on this one
>>> that I'm sure would hold up for rigorous off-roading or even moderate
>>> bikepacking if only my legs were a little longer.
>>>
>>> Particularly noteworthy on this build are the lovely fillet-and-nickel
>>> Nitto bullmoose bars, which turned out a lot better than I was expecting
>>> given that I used a quill-to-threadless adapter to mate the 1" threaded
>>> steerer to the 1 1/8" threadless bar/stem combo.  I also ended up pretty
>>> thrilled with the wheelset, which Peter White built up with custom Velocity
>>> Cliffhangers (silver anodized with machined sidewalls) laced up to a
>>> polished Phil Wood cassette hub in back and a special "Peter White Cycles"
>>> edition SONdelux Wide Body dynamo hub up front.  Other parts include Sugino
>>> cranks and seatpost, Brooks Alpe D'Huez saddle, Schmidt Edelux2 headlight,
>>> SimWorks/Honjo fenders, Paul Neo-Retro's and Love Levers, etc, etc.  It was
>>> NOT, very frankly, an inexpensive build.
>>>
>>> On the bright side, it did provide hours and hours and hours of
>>> diversion during the Covid shutdowns and bike parts shortages.  And I got
>>> lots of practice using various dremel attachments and hand files and many
>>> other specialized bike tools in order to fit the fenders under the rack and
>>> over the canti brakes and 29x2.1 knobby tires.  In the end, having just
>>> mostly finished it up this weekend except for a few REALLY anal tweaks, it
>>> did turn out better than I had ever hoped for and it is the sort of a bike
>>> that looks even better up close than it does far away.
>>>
>>> Willet M.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: thumbnail (11).jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: thumbnail (10).jpg]
>>>
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[RBW] WTB: Nitto Fillet FacePlater CR 60-3 or Nitto Quill to Threadless Adaptor

2021-06-28 Thread Tim Bantham

ISO of either one of the two. If you have a CR 60-3 I'd be looking for a 
110 mm. Let me know if you have something in the parts bin!

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Re: [RBW] USPS Crazyness

2021-06-28 Thread rltilley

My package was from them as well so maybe it’s the Carlsbad Post Office 
screwing things up?

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 28, 2021, at 12:04 PM, David Person  wrote:
> 
> Robert, the San Diego package I mentioned was actually another Shelta hat 
> from Carlsbad.  Why it had to take a trip to Macon, GA is beyond me.
> 
>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 8:42:01 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I sent a postcard to a fellow group member, mailed from Virginia but it 
>> arrived in Maryland with a Salt Lake City postmark! 
>> 
>> For the most part I've had normal delivery times with shipping parts out but 
>> one outgoing package is waylaid and long overdue. 
>> 
>>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 11:37:28 AM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>> Here's an interesting, relevant, and timely story:
>>> 
>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/interactive/2021/dejoy-usps-delays-by-zip-code-map/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 28, 2021, at 7:04 AM, David Person  wrote:
 
 Crazy things are going on at USPS.  This past week I had two packages 
 shipped to me via USPS.  One from San Diego, CA and the other from Chico, 
 CA.  I live just outside Los Angeles and both packages were due to arrive 
 3 days after being shipped.  The package from San Diego made it to the 
 USPS distribution center about 25 miles from my home in one day, which 
 delivery expected the next day.  The next update had it in Macon, GA.  I 
 didn't receive it till 4 days later.  The package from Chico was supposed 
 to be here this past Saturday, but has been routed thru Birmingham, AL.  
 Who know when I'll see that one.  It's no wonder they are losing money, I 
 how they get their act together.
 
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[RBW] Re: Have you ever considered trading in your Sam for an Appaloosa?

2021-06-28 Thread brendonoid

The trick is to only sell a bike after you haven't ridden it for five 
years. *looks at shed full of bikes*. Works perfectly.

Honestly though I have both and the last 3 years the 2 Appaloosa's (one 
crashed then replaced) have been ridden a lot more than the hillbourne. But 
that is my preferences, my type of riding, my local terrain, my bike 
setups, climate etc etc etc.
On Tuesday, 29 June 2021 at 06:53:33 UTC+8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> It's a sellers market right now, which may not be helpful on the Appaloosa 
> end for you but you'll definitely get decent money for your Hillborne. I've 
> only ridden the Appa (it's great) so can't compare, but I say get the model 
> and color you really want. 
>
> Joe "always keep the custom, anything else can come and go on a moment's 
> notice" Bernard
>
> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 2:30:58 PM UTC-7 Damien wrote:
>
>> So here's the situation. I've got a super hot lead on an orange 51 
>> Appaloosa, but I'm already deep in it with a sage 51 canti Sam. Initially, 
>> when I was looking at these bikes, I was torn between the two. I ultimately 
>> leaned Sam because at the time I liked the colour and it was more 
>> available. Well, things change I guess! I'm more seriously entertaining a 
>> move to the Appaloosa because:
>>
>>- Sweet long chainstays
>>- Can carry more (?? Is this true??)
>>- Will likely work better for me with upright bars (Sam felt too 
>>cramped for me with Albas)
>>- Better tire clearance for fattish knubblies or fatter tires + 
>>fenderage
>>
>> What I would love to do here is tap the forum's collective wisdom to see 
>> if the grass is really greener. Has anyone made the move from Sam to 
>> Appaloosa, or vice versa? What were your feelings? What did you miss on the 
>> old bike when you made the move? What did you love about the new bike that 
>> the old bike couldn't live up to?
>>
>> I'm approaching this a bit more cautiously since I already regret selling 
>> another Riv I owned (Roadini - my regret is well documented, I believe). 
>> That said, I imagine I'll need to act fast to get the bike before someone 
>> snags it. In a perfect world I'd keep both, but we all know the world isn't 
>> perfect, and I do have to live within the very real constraints imposed 
>> upon me by my lovely partner who for some reason isn't cool with me having 
>> umpteen bikes.
>>
>> Anyways, enough of my incessant rambling. Thank you for reading and 
>> helping to encourage my hobby of buying bikes then selling then replacing 
>> then modifying then selling then replacing then buying then crying then 
>> selling then complaining then... (and so on and so forth). 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: a worthy Bombadil is back on the road at long last...

2021-06-28 Thread Chris L

" I guess the grass is always greener!"

Ain't that the truth!!

On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 8:10:15 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Willet - oh wow, glad I could be of help! Other than misleading you into 
> thinking the 65's would fit, now you're a cautionary tale for me if I ever 
> need to replace my fenders haha.. 
>
> Chris - Ha, I feel that way about the 53cm 650B Hunq.. I guess the grass 
> is always greener!
>
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 5:03 PM 'WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Those fenders actually made it into the final build based on a suggestion 
>> that you (Jason) gave me many months ago as I was contemplating which 
>> direction to go with the frameset.  I eventually decided to go "all silver" 
>> or as close to it as I could possibly get, and the Flat 65's from Simworks 
>> were a good match for the 29x2.1 tires that I was planning on using.  They 
>> ended up being perfect for the tires, and they didn't take up much room 
>> vertically either.  But both front and back fenders were too wide for the 
>> fork blades and seat stays, so I did have to notch them pretty 
>> significantly and then try to keep the notches aligned as I mounted 
>> hardware to the fenders and then the fenders to the frame.  Somewhat 
>> shockingly, the notches fit so closely and line up so perfectly that it's 
>> hard to tell they've been modified without shining a flashlight on it.  
>>
>> At $167 shipped for the fenders, I was HIGHLY motivated to get it right 
>> the first time!
>>
>> Thanks again for your helpful suggestions over the winter.  I still have 
>> the Proto-Bombadil built up and it fits my short-legs-long-torso dimensions 
>> better than this one does (mostly due to a different bar/stem choice).  So 
>> this one is for Show and the Protovelo is for Go.  I couldn't be happier or 
>> more proud of both, as they were bucket list items for a number of years 
>> before I somehow lucked into getting both of them as framesets within less 
>> than a year of each other.
>>
>> Willet M.
>>
>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 11:42:31 AM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, that thing is gorgeous.  Nice build!!  I love the unique color. 
>>> Looks salmon to me. Still undecided whether I'll invest in a paintjob for 
>>> mine!  And yeah I wouldn't have even considered the threadless bullmoose 
>>> despite being well aware of the existence of said adapter, and it looks as 
>>> clean as a quill version would have.  
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 27 June 2021 at 20:05:37 UTC-7 WilletM wrote:
>>>

 I'm happy to report that the 
 non-creamsicle-but-still-pretty-dang-orange-y Bombadil frame that I bought 
 here last September from Jamison B. is all built up and ready to do a 
 little Bombadilling (thanks for that, Jason!) in the Rocky Mountains of 
 western Colorado.  Though it's destined to be more of a show pony than a 
 workhorse like Jason's rig, I did do a fairly premium build on this one 
 that I'm sure would hold up for rigorous off-roading or even moderate 
 bikepacking if only my legs were a little longer.  

 Particularly noteworthy on this build are the lovely fillet-and-nickel 
 Nitto bullmoose bars, which turned out a lot better than I was expecting 
 given that I used a quill-to-threadless adapter to mate the 1" threaded 
 steerer to the 1 1/8" threadless bar/stem combo.  I also ended up pretty 
 thrilled with the wheelset, which Peter White built up with custom 
 Velocity 
 Cliffhangers (silver anodized with machined sidewalls) laced up to a 
 polished Phil Wood cassette hub in back and a special "Peter White Cycles" 
 edition SONdelux Wide Body dynamo hub up front.  Other parts include 
 Sugino 
 cranks and seatpost, Brooks Alpe D'Huez saddle, Schmidt Edelux2 headlight, 
 SimWorks/Honjo fenders, Paul Neo-Retro's and Love Levers, etc, etc.  It 
 was 
 NOT, very frankly, an inexpensive build.

 On the bright side, it did provide hours and hours and hours of 
 diversion during the Covid shutdowns and bike parts shortages.  And I got 
 lots of practice using various dremel attachments and hand files and many 
 other specialized bike tools in order to fit the fenders under the rack 
 and 
 over the canti brakes and 29x2.1 knobby tires.  In the end, having just 
 mostly finished it up this weekend except for a few REALLY anal tweaks, it 
 did turn out better than I had ever hoped for and it is the sort of a bike 
 that looks even better up close than it does far away.

 Willet M.

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 [image: thumbnail (10).jpg]

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Re: [RBW] Re: a worthy Bombadil is back on the road at long last...

51cm gray/kidney bean Hunq for me, which makes *no *sense because my custom 
has a brighter version of that paintjob and does every single thing a 
Hunqapillar would do. I want one anyway! 🤣

On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 6:10:15 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Willet - oh wow, glad I could be of help! Other than misleading you into 
> thinking the 65's would fit, now you're a cautionary tale for me if I ever 
> need to replace my fenders haha.. 
>
> Chris - Ha, I feel that way about the 53cm 650B Hunq.. I guess the grass 
> is always greener!
>
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 5:03 PM 'WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Those fenders actually made it into the final build based on a suggestion 
>> that you (Jason) gave me many months ago as I was contemplating which 
>> direction to go with the frameset.  I eventually decided to go "all silver" 
>> or as close to it as I could possibly get, and the Flat 65's from Simworks 
>> were a good match for the 29x2.1 tires that I was planning on using.  They 
>> ended up being perfect for the tires, and they didn't take up much room 
>> vertically either.  But both front and back fenders were too wide for the 
>> fork blades and seat stays, so I did have to notch them pretty 
>> significantly and then try to keep the notches aligned as I mounted 
>> hardware to the fenders and then the fenders to the frame.  Somewhat 
>> shockingly, the notches fit so closely and line up so perfectly that it's 
>> hard to tell they've been modified without shining a flashlight on it.  
>>
>> At $167 shipped for the fenders, I was HIGHLY motivated to get it right 
>> the first time!
>>
>> Thanks again for your helpful suggestions over the winter.  I still have 
>> the Proto-Bombadil built up and it fits my short-legs-long-torso dimensions 
>> better than this one does (mostly due to a different bar/stem choice).  So 
>> this one is for Show and the Protovelo is for Go.  I couldn't be happier or 
>> more proud of both, as they were bucket list items for a number of years 
>> before I somehow lucked into getting both of them as framesets within less 
>> than a year of each other.
>>
>> Willet M.
>>
>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 11:42:31 AM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, that thing is gorgeous.  Nice build!!  I love the unique color. 
>>> Looks salmon to me. Still undecided whether I'll invest in a paintjob for 
>>> mine!  And yeah I wouldn't have even considered the threadless bullmoose 
>>> despite being well aware of the existence of said adapter, and it looks as 
>>> clean as a quill version would have.  
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 27 June 2021 at 20:05:37 UTC-7 WilletM wrote:
>>>

 I'm happy to report that the 
 non-creamsicle-but-still-pretty-dang-orange-y Bombadil frame that I bought 
 here last September from Jamison B. is all built up and ready to do a 
 little Bombadilling (thanks for that, Jason!) in the Rocky Mountains of 
 western Colorado.  Though it's destined to be more of a show pony than a 
 workhorse like Jason's rig, I did do a fairly premium build on this one 
 that I'm sure would hold up for rigorous off-roading or even moderate 
 bikepacking if only my legs were a little longer.  

 Particularly noteworthy on this build are the lovely fillet-and-nickel 
 Nitto bullmoose bars, which turned out a lot better than I was expecting 
 given that I used a quill-to-threadless adapter to mate the 1" threaded 
 steerer to the 1 1/8" threadless bar/stem combo.  I also ended up pretty 
 thrilled with the wheelset, which Peter White built up with custom 
 Velocity 
 Cliffhangers (silver anodized with machined sidewalls) laced up to a 
 polished Phil Wood cassette hub in back and a special "Peter White Cycles" 
 edition SONdelux Wide Body dynamo hub up front.  Other parts include 
 Sugino 
 cranks and seatpost, Brooks Alpe D'Huez saddle, Schmidt Edelux2 headlight, 
 SimWorks/Honjo fenders, Paul Neo-Retro's and Love Levers, etc, etc.  It 
 was 
 NOT, very frankly, an inexpensive build.

 On the bright side, it did provide hours and hours and hours of 
 diversion during the Covid shutdowns and bike parts shortages.  And I got 
 lots of practice using various dremel attachments and hand files and many 
 other specialized bike tools in order to fit the fenders under the rack 
 and 
 over the canti brakes and 29x2.1 knobby tires.  In the end, having just 
 mostly finished it up this weekend except for a few REALLY anal tweaks, it 
 did turn out better than I had ever hoped for and it is the sort of a bike 
 that looks even better up close than it does far away.

 Willet M.

 [image: thumbnail (11).jpg]

 [image: thumbnail (10).jpg]

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[RBW] Re: The Psychic Derailleur

2021-06-28 Thread Mark Allen


Ha! I bought my Sam there in the fall of 2019, last one he had, black 
although at the time I would have preferred orange. Chris was super helpful 
in shipping the frame to Canada.
On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 11:26:06 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:

> I bought my Sam there last summer, last one he had, orange although at the 
> time I would have preferred black.  I did not want to wait for Rivs next 
> delivery and no guaranty I would get one.  Great bike, fast shipping and 
> good deal.  
>
> On Friday, June 25, 2021 at 11:13:44 AM UTC-4 tsot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you to everyone for all of the kind words, and thank you for 
>> watching!!!
>>
>> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 4:20:02 PM UTC-4 ezre...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> That's where I bought my Rivendell too! Truly the best bike shop in 
>>> Indianapolis. He's incredibly knowledgeable, and I too watch his YouTube 
>>> channel. 
>>> Christine
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 1:40:55 PM UTC-6 antc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 This is very timely for me since I just bought a 57 Appaloosa from 
 Chris a few days ago (possibly the last one available anywhere.) I'm a 
 long 
 time Riv customer but this is my first Riv bike. Maybe we are seeing a 
 cultural change in how people use bikes in this country? We can only hope 
 I 
 guess. I had no idea that Chris has a YouTube channel, I'm looking forward 
 to seeing what other ideas he has to share.


 On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 1:14:16 PM UTC-5 dougP wrote:

> I too subscribe to the Psychic Derailleur channel & find it fun & 
> informative.  In a recent video he thanked his subscribers & said he 
> thinks 
> he has the nicest comments section on youtube.  He's big on practical 
> cycling & reviews bags, bikes, etc.  Puts out a couple of videos a week, 
> usually less than 10 minutes & he stays focused on the topic of the day.  
> Great guy.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Wednesday, June 23, 2021 at 9:22:07 PM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Chris Wiggins has a bike shop in Indianapolis, website and a YouTube 
>> channel, all with the name The Psychic Derailleur.  I'm a big fan of his 
>> content and his message.  He is a Rivendell dealer and he puts out some 
>> great content on his YouTube channel.  His latest video is titled "The 
>> Rise 
>> of Rivendell?".  It is worth a look, as are the rest of the videos on 
>> his 
>> channel, IMHO.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjCwkCgKGnw
>>
>>  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Mini Moto Max Tire

Nice lookin bike; looks fun to ride. You definitely need some bigger tires 
though! I once tossed some Mini Motos on my Appaloosa with 50cm Cazaderos. 
There was about 2mm between the brake wire and the tire. I was not cool 
with that. Maybe a 48mm slick would be ok, but I'd guess that's about the 
limit.

Bones

On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 11:03:53 PM UTC-4 CoalTrain wrote:

> Hi RBW! I've thrown some bits on the Platypus and so far really love this 
> thing. The ride is about the same as the Cheviot I owned but seems a little 
> sportier since I'm using wavie bars instead of albatross. I need to get a 
> proper set of shoes and am curious for those running Mini Motos with a 700c 
> wheel what the largest size they've been able to squeeze in without 
> fenders? 
>
> [image: IMG_6958.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Have you ever considered trading in your Sam for an Appaloosa?

Have you ridden the long chainstays? If you have, and you like them, 
there's a point for the Appaloosa. Sure the Appaloosa can probably carry 
more, but do you need to? The *NEW* Appaloosa is definitely better for 
upright bars (I had both a 2019 Appaloosa and Hillborne, which were very 
similar geometrically). The tire clearance and fenderage is definitely a 
big plus for the Appaloosa as well. I have since sold both older bikes and 
I have a new Appaloosa and Roadini. I went with a new Appaloosa for all the 
reasons you listed. Honestly I don't know what I would do if I could only 
pick one bike. I guess I would pick an Appaloosa! But Bill is right, you 
need both. Have you considered purchasing some bikes for your partner? 
That's what I did. Now if my wife gets on my case I just point out that 
*SHE* doesn't need four bikes and to stop counting mine!

Good Luck!
Bones

On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 9:48:13 PM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:

> The trick is to only sell a bike after you haven't ridden it for five 
> years. *looks at shed full of bikes*. Works perfectly.
>
> Honestly though I have both and the last 3 years the 2 Appaloosa's (one 
> crashed then replaced) have been ridden a lot more than the hillbourne. But 
> that is my preferences, my type of riding, my local terrain, my bike 
> setups, climate etc etc etc.
> On Tuesday, 29 June 2021 at 06:53:33 UTC+8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> It's a sellers market right now, which may not be helpful on the 
>> Appaloosa end for you but you'll definitely get decent money for your 
>> Hillborne. I've only ridden the Appa (it's great) so can't compare, but I 
>> say get the model and color you really want. 
>>
>> Joe "always keep the custom, anything else can come and go on a moment's 
>> notice" Bernard
>>
>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 2:30:58 PM UTC-7 Damien wrote:
>>
>>> So here's the situation. I've got a super hot lead on an orange 51 
>>> Appaloosa, but I'm already deep in it with a sage 51 canti Sam. Initially, 
>>> when I was looking at these bikes, I was torn between the two. I ultimately 
>>> leaned Sam because at the time I liked the colour and it was more 
>>> available. Well, things change I guess! I'm more seriously entertaining a 
>>> move to the Appaloosa because:
>>>
>>>- Sweet long chainstays
>>>- Can carry more (?? Is this true??)
>>>- Will likely work better for me with upright bars (Sam felt too 
>>>cramped for me with Albas)
>>>- Better tire clearance for fattish knubblies or fatter tires + 
>>>fenderage
>>>
>>> What I would love to do here is tap the forum's collective wisdom to see 
>>> if the grass is really greener. Has anyone made the move from Sam to 
>>> Appaloosa, or vice versa? What were your feelings? What did you miss on the 
>>> old bike when you made the move? What did you love about the new bike that 
>>> the old bike couldn't live up to?
>>>
>>> I'm approaching this a bit more cautiously since I already regret 
>>> selling another Riv I owned (Roadini - my regret is well documented, I 
>>> believe). That said, I imagine I'll need to act fast to get the bike before 
>>> someone snags it. In a perfect world I'd keep both, but we all know the 
>>> world isn't perfect, and I do have to live within the very real constraints 
>>> imposed upon me by my lovely partner who for some reason isn't cool with me 
>>> having umpteen bikes.
>>>
>>> Anyways, enough of my incessant rambling. Thank you for reading and 
>>> helping to encourage my hobby of buying bikes then selling then replacing 
>>> then modifying then selling then replacing then buying then crying then 
>>> selling then complaining then... (and so on and so forth). 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: ISO 42cm Struts