[RBW] Re: well, here's my Sam Hillborne build

[Bill Lindsay]

Your seat tube angle measurement looks pretty close.  The Sam Hillborne geo 
charts I've seen over the last 12-13 years have always had a 71.5 degree 
seat tube angle.  

Your head tube angle measurement looks way off.  The Sam Hillborne geo 
charts I've seen over the last 12-13 years have had a head tube angle in 
the 72 degree neighborhood.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 5:44:54 PM UTC-7 lug...@gmail.com wrote:

> does anyone know what the real ST and HT angles are for a SH?
> Mine feels VERY laid back seattube wise.
> by my amateur measuring I am getting
> ST angle 71.6
> HT angle 77.6[image: Rivendell Sam Hillborne Metrics and angles.png]
>
> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 8:41:29 PM UTC-4 Peter Stock wrote:
>
>> a bit slap-dash. I was trying to just use parts on hand to get it rolling.
>> Universals 61 calipers, a rare Specialixed triple crankset, everything 
>> else is ordinary.
>> but we've been out for a few test rides.
>> it feels  different ... from my traditional road bikes, that's for 
>> sure. 
>> I have not yet dialed in the fit to feel fully comfortable. I feel as if 
>> I have too much weight on my hands - which is odd because the stem is 
>> rising.
>> I've shifted the saddle a bit further forward.
>> I'd like to get some fatter tires. apparently that's the thing with a SH. 
>> (the clearance really is HUGE.)[image: Rivendell with Caradice SP 
>> bag.JPG][image: Rivendell Sam Hillborne front angle.JPG][image: 
>> Rivendell Sam Hillborne full side.JPG]
>> eh, we'll see. for the moment she's a good service bike.
>>
>> Peter 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Removeable 31.8 Faceplate Quill Stems

[lconley]

Both sold - Thank you!

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 12:40:18 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> Nitto Sold
>
> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 7:59:58 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> New, test fit, never ridden, maybe a few light scratches if you look 
>> close from from sitting around in the drawer.
>> VO - nickel plated, 80mm - $65 shipped CONUS
>> Nitto - UI-12 110mm - $45 shipped CONUS
>>
>> [image: stems.jpg]
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Need Platypus tire advice

[JAS]

Back to the drawing board on tires...I'm officially calling this "tire 
angst." The order for the 42 Shikoros went through, Pay Pal and all.  I was 
so happy!  Later, I received an apology from the merchant stating they were 
out of stock but hadn't updated their website.  No!  I called and spoke to 
James at Riv; he called their rep who has no idea when there will be more.  
I'd already sent an email to Soma and their eventual reply was the 
same...resupply date is unknown.  Someone on Amazon has one 42mm Shikoro 
(or at least they did yesterday). 

So I suppose I'll have to settle for Shikoro 38mm or consider the Rene 
Herse options.  Does it make any sense to put a 42mm Shikoro on the rear 
and 38mm on the front?  Or vice versa?

Thanks for listening to my rant.

--Joyce 

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 12:17:33 PM UTC-7 Emily Guise wrote:

> Joyce, so glad you were able to get those Shikoros! I have them on my 60cm 
> Platy and have been very pleasantly surprised by how nice they feel on the 
> road; they seem to really smooth out the rough spots. So far I haven't had 
> a flat in a month of ownership even though our streets are full of glass 
> and potholes. Two thumbs up from me!
>
> -Emily
>
> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 11:41:11 AM UTC-7 JAS wrote:
>
>> Garth, you're a life-saver!  I got busy right away and ordered the 
>> tires.  Thanks so much for the link.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 3:01:55 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Joyce,  Enjoy the ride !!!  Shikoro 700x42 ..  
>>> https://takeahikeshop.com/products/soma-shikoro-700c-k-tire-black-brown?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 7:51:54 PM UTC-4 JAS wrote:
>>>
 Jason, what casing did you select for your RH tires?  Standard, 
 extralight or endurance?  I'm impressed with your mileage to flat ratio.

 Garth, you're right!  It's ultimately about life and enjoying the ride. 
 I"ll bet you've read "Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Performance" by 
 Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi.  If not, you might enjoy it.

 Joe, I also found that the Kenda Kwik tires that came on my Clem rode 
 like bricks, though I didn't know how bad they were until I switched to 
 Big 
 Bens.  I have Schwalbe Marathons on my Bike Friday for touring for the 
 flat 
 protection.  My hands aren't as strong as they used to be so it's often a 
 struggle to get the tire back on the rim.

 Thanks to all for continuing this conversation about tires.  I 
 appreciate the opportunity to learn more about bikes via your experience.  
 As far as my tire decision goes,  I'm currently leaning toward the folding 
 Shikoro 700 x 38 due to availability.  I don't know if the 42mm would be 
 better, but can't find them in the folding (lighter) version.

 --Joyce
 On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 3:13:06 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I was riding 70 to 100 miles per week back then with 3 to 5 bikes, 
> most on the commuter and allrounder, mostly on pavement but say 1/3 dirt.
>
> Oh: One big exception to the "flatting fast tires": Big Apples. They 
> rolled surprisingly well for their bulk, but got perhaps 1/3 of the flats 
> per unit distance of the other tires; in order of flat-prone-ness, ie 
> from 
> more flats to less flats per unit: 26 X 1.25 Paselas, non-TG (and yet for 
> a 
> number of years these were my commuting tires and got the most miles); 
> Conti GPs, Michelin Pro Races, Specialised Turbos (yep, fewer flats than 
> the Paselas); 26 X 1.35 and 700C X 35 Kojaks; 26 and 29" 2.35" Big 
> Apples).
>
> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 5:06 PM Patrick Moore  
> wrote:
>
>> Each to his or her own. It depends on what you prefer. Many ride 
>> stiff tires that don't flat; pre-sealant, I preferred -- no, really, 
>> really 
>> much preferred --  to fix over 150 flats per year (2 boxes of 100 Remas 
>> per 
>> year, more or less) instead of riding tires that felt slow. 
>>
>> Fortunately, modern sealants even here in goatheadland allow one to 
>> ride the lighest, thinnest tires with hardly any flats and resulting 
>> pleasure: in tubes for higher pressures, tubeless for lower pressures.*
>>
>> Of course, we get very little rain; and also, 2 spare tubes per bike 
>> usually let me get home before I had to break out the patch kit (also 
>> one 
>> for each bike); plus of course top quality pumps. Again, each to his 
>> own; 
>> this was my own.
>>
>> * For me, an unscientific but still empirical division at about 45 or 
>> 50 psi.
>>
>> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 2:51 PM Tom Wyland  wrote:
>>
>>> Should I feel bad about my 780g Schwalbe Marathon Greenguard tires?  
>>> Sure keeps the flats away when riding on the street. 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: well, here's my Sam Hillborne build

[Jack Barnes]

How do you like the ride with the big saddle bag? I think my Sam is the 
same size as yours, also with drop bars, and I commute with a single 
ortlieb rear pannier—been wondering about better ways to load it up. The 
assymmetrical loading never bothered me much but maybe I'm just carrying 
more stuff now.  

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 7:42:10 AM UTC-7 lug...@gmail.com wrote:

> I couldn't find any Geometry charts for a SH and I was about to give up 
> and write the company when there it was, right on the main home page.
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry
>
> and you are so correct. My HT angle caculation is way off.
> I'll measure again (just as an exercise.)
>
> [image: Rivendell geometry and sizing and angles.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 8:32:03 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Your seat tube angle measurement looks pretty close.  The Sam Hillborne 
>> geo charts I've seen over the last 12-13 years have always had a 71.5 
>> degree seat tube angle.  
>>
>> Your head tube angle measurement looks way off.  The Sam Hillborne geo 
>> charts I've seen over the last 12-13 years have had a head tube angle in 
>> the 72 degree neighborhood.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 5:44:54 PM UTC-7 lug...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> does anyone know what the real ST and HT angles are for a SH?
>>> Mine feels VERY laid back seattube wise.
>>> by my amateur measuring I am getting
>>> ST angle 71.6
>>> HT angle 77.6[image: Rivendell Sam Hillborne Metrics and angles.png]
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 8:41:29 PM UTC-4 Peter Stock wrote:
>>>
 a bit slap-dash. I was trying to just use parts on hand to get it 
 rolling.
 Universals 61 calipers, a rare Specialixed triple crankset, everything 
 else is ordinary.
 but we've been out for a few test rides.
 it feels  different ... from my traditional road bikes, that's for 
 sure. 
 I have not yet dialed in the fit to feel fully comfortable. I feel as 
 if I have too much weight on my hands - which is odd because the stem is 
 rising.
 I've shifted the saddle a bit further forward.
 I'd like to get some fatter tires. apparently that's the thing with a 
 SH. (the clearance really is HUGE.)[image: Rivendell with Caradice SP 
 bag.JPG][image: Rivendell Sam Hillborne front angle.JPG][image: 
 Rivendell Sam Hillborne full side.JPG]
 eh, we'll see. for the moment she's a good service bike.

 Peter 

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Need Platypus tire advice

[Jason Fuller]

Ah that sucks Joyce.  What about 38mm GravelKing SS?  I really like the 
tread on these - smooth center, but a little bit of texture on the sides to 
aid in sandy or wet conditions.  Universal has em in stock (but not the 
43's), and they are fast and reliable to buy from. These seem like pretty 
ideal Riv-roadish type tires but I haven't tried them 

https://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=103087

On Thursday, 20 May 2021 at 10:02:41 UTC-7 JAS wrote:

> Back to the drawing board on tires...I'm officially calling this "tire 
> angst." The order for the 42 Shikoros went through, Pay Pal and all.  I was 
> so happy!  Later, I received an apology from the merchant stating they were 
> out of stock but hadn't updated their website.  No!  I called and spoke to 
> James at Riv; he called their rep who has no idea when there will be more.  
> I'd already sent an email to Soma and their eventual reply was the 
> same...resupply date is unknown.  Someone on Amazon has one 42mm Shikoro 
> (or at least they did yesterday). 
>
> So I suppose I'll have to settle for Shikoro 38mm or consider the Rene 
> Herse options.  Does it make any sense to put a 42mm Shikoro on the rear 
> and 38mm on the front?  Or vice versa?
>
> Thanks for listening to my rant.
>
> --Joyce 
>
> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 12:17:33 PM UTC-7 Emily Guise wrote:
>
>> Joyce, so glad you were able to get those Shikoros! I have them on my 
>> 60cm Platy and have been very pleasantly surprised by how nice they feel on 
>> the road; they seem to really smooth out the rough spots. So far I haven't 
>> had a flat in a month of ownership even though our streets are full of 
>> glass and potholes. Two thumbs up from me!
>>
>> -Emily
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 11:41:11 AM UTC-7 JAS wrote:
>>
>>> Garth, you're a life-saver!  I got busy right away and ordered the 
>>> tires.  Thanks so much for the link.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 3:01:55 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>>
 Joyce,  Enjoy the ride !!!  Shikoro 700x42 ..  
 https://takeahikeshop.com/products/soma-shikoro-700c-k-tire-black-brown
 ?




 On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 7:51:54 PM UTC-4 JAS wrote:

> Jason, what casing did you select for your RH tires?  Standard, 
> extralight or endurance?  I'm impressed with your mileage to flat ratio.
>
> Garth, you're right!  It's ultimately about life and enjoying the 
> ride. I"ll bet you've read "Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Performance" 
> by 
> Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi.  If not, you might enjoy it.
>
> Joe, I also found that the Kenda Kwik tires that came on my Clem rode 
> like bricks, though I didn't know how bad they were until I switched to 
> Big 
> Bens.  I have Schwalbe Marathons on my Bike Friday for touring for the 
> flat 
> protection.  My hands aren't as strong as they used to be so it's often a 
> struggle to get the tire back on the rim.
>
> Thanks to all for continuing this conversation about tires.  I 
> appreciate the opportunity to learn more about bikes via your experience. 
>  
> As far as my tire decision goes,  I'm currently leaning toward the 
> folding 
> Shikoro 700 x 38 due to availability.  I don't know if the 42mm would be 
> better, but can't find them in the folding (lighter) version.
>
> --Joyce
> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 3:13:06 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I was riding 70 to 100 miles per week back then with 3 to 5 bikes, 
>> most on the commuter and allrounder, mostly on pavement but say 1/3 dirt.
>>
>> Oh: One big exception to the "flatting fast tires": Big Apples. They 
>> rolled surprisingly well for their bulk, but got perhaps 1/3 of the 
>> flats 
>> per unit distance of the other tires; in order of flat-prone-ness, ie 
>> from 
>> more flats to less flats per unit: 26 X 1.25 Paselas, non-TG (and yet 
>> for a 
>> number of years these were my commuting tires and got the most miles); 
>> Conti GPs, Michelin Pro Races, Specialised Turbos (yep, fewer flats than 
>> the Paselas); 26 X 1.35 and 700C X 35 Kojaks; 26 and 29" 2.35" Big 
>> Apples).
>>
>> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 5:06 PM Patrick Moore  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Each to his or her own. It depends on what you prefer. Many ride 
>>> stiff tires that don't flat; pre-sealant, I preferred -- no, really, 
>>> really 
>>> much preferred --  to fix over 150 flats per year (2 boxes of 100 Remas 
>>> per 
>>> year, more or less) instead of riding tires that felt slow. 
>>>
>>> Fortunately, modern sealants even here in goatheadland allow one to 
>>> ride the lighest, thinnest tires with hardly any flats and resulting 
>>> pleasure: in tubes for higher pressures, tubeless for lower pressures.*
>>>
>>> Of course, we get very little rain; and also, 2 spare tubes per bike 
>

[RBW] Re: FS/WTT: Paul Cross in-line brake lever for Paul Love lever

[saintruggler]

Bumping this. In addition to seeking a set of Paul Canti or Paul Love 
levers, I'd be willing to trade for any quality (vintage or otherwise) long 
pull lever in glossy black finish, suitable for pulling V-brakes. 

Additional notes: the Paul Cross levers are capable of being run as 
standalone levers, in addition to their intended in-line functionality. 

Eric

On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 2:13:26 PM UTC-7 saintruggler wrote:

> For sale: one set (pair) of Paul Components Cross levers in 31.8mm clamp 
> diameter. Had these installed on the flats of a Woodchipper dirt touring 
> handlebar (available separately).
>
> Would like to trade my Cross levers for a set of Paul Canti or Paul Love 
> levers. Or make an offer. Black preferred, but silver or polished might me 
> doable. 
>
> Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/YvN72AS6TFxWdE6b8
>
> Eric
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Need Platypus tire advice

[Garth]

No biggie Joyce  there's always some tires somewhere !  

https://www.modernbike.com/soma-shikoro-k-tire---700-x-42-black-brown
https://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=77871

Of course, when things like this happen I may be given to pause on the 
selection. If I was going to run tires that size again I used to ride 
Vittoria Hypers, which were wonderful to ride, but not long lasting at all. 
I never saw a tire wear out so fast. The Marathon Supreme was the other 
tire I had tossed around but by then I decided to try go with a bigger 2" 
Big Ben tire so that took care of that. So I'd certainly consider the 
Supreme 700x40 which should measure out to 40mm as the ETRTO number is 
42-622. The Supreme will definitely last a long awhile like the Big Bens 
do. Frankly though, I'm not terribly impressed, or should I say de-pressed 
about the weight-number of a given tire when it comes to Schwalbe at least 
and their mid-to high end tires. The BB's weigh, with tubes about a pound 
more than the Vittoria did, yet they roll as easy and uphill I still ride 
the same gears. It's not "easy-er"!  Plus they are quite plush. Considering 
the "laws of physics" are *theoretical* ..like "pie in the sky... hee 
hee hee" well that's all I need to say about that. 
On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 1:02:41 PM UTC-4 JAS wrote:

> Back to the drawing board on tires...I'm officially calling this "tire 
> angst." The order for the 42 Shikoros went through, Pay Pal and all.  I was 
> so happy!  Later, I received an apology from the merchant stating they were 
> out of stock but hadn't updated their website.  No!  I called and spoke to 
> James at Riv; he called their rep who has no idea when there will be more.  
> I'd already sent an email to Soma and their eventual reply was the 
> same...resupply date is unknown.  Someone on Amazon has one 42mm Shikoro 
> (or at least they did yesterday). 
>
> So I suppose I'll have to settle for Shikoro 38mm or consider the Rene 
> Herse options.  Does it make any sense to put a 42mm Shikoro on the rear 
> and 38mm on the front?  Or vice versa?
>
> Thanks for listening to my rant.
>
> --Joyce 
>
> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 12:17:33 PM UTC-7 Emily Guise wrote:
>
>> Joyce, so glad you were able to get those Shikoros! I have them on my 
>> 60cm Platy and have been very pleasantly surprised by how nice they feel on 
>> the road; they seem to really smooth out the rough spots. So far I haven't 
>> had a flat in a month of ownership even though our streets are full of 
>> glass and potholes. Two thumbs up from me!
>>
>> -Emily
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 11:41:11 AM UTC-7 JAS wrote:
>>
>>> Garth, you're a life-saver!  I got busy right away and ordered the 
>>> tires.  Thanks so much for the link.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 3:01:55 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>>
 Joyce,  Enjoy the ride !!!  Shikoro 700x42 ..  
 https://takeahikeshop.com/products/soma-shikoro-700c-k-tire-black-brown
 ?




 On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 7:51:54 PM UTC-4 JAS wrote:

> Jason, what casing did you select for your RH tires?  Standard, 
> extralight or endurance?  I'm impressed with your mileage to flat ratio.
>
> Garth, you're right!  It's ultimately about life and enjoying the 
> ride. I"ll bet you've read "Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Performance" 
> by 
> Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi.  If not, you might enjoy it.
>
> Joe, I also found that the Kenda Kwik tires that came on my Clem rode 
> like bricks, though I didn't know how bad they were until I switched to 
> Big 
> Bens.  I have Schwalbe Marathons on my Bike Friday for touring for the 
> flat 
> protection.  My hands aren't as strong as they used to be so it's often a 
> struggle to get the tire back on the rim.
>
> Thanks to all for continuing this conversation about tires.  I 
> appreciate the opportunity to learn more about bikes via your experience. 
>  
> As far as my tire decision goes,  I'm currently leaning toward the 
> folding 
> Shikoro 700 x 38 due to availability.  I don't know if the 42mm would be 
> better, but can't find them in the folding (lighter) version.
>
> --Joyce
> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 3:13:06 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I was riding 70 to 100 miles per week back then with 3 to 5 bikes, 
>> most on the commuter and allrounder, mostly on pavement but say 1/3 dirt.
>>
>> Oh: One big exception to the "flatting fast tires": Big Apples. They 
>> rolled surprisingly well for their bulk, but got perhaps 1/3 of the 
>> flats 
>> per unit distance of the other tires; in order of flat-prone-ness, ie 
>> from 
>> more flats to less flats per unit: 26 X 1.25 Paselas, non-TG (and yet 
>> for a 
>> number of years these were my commuting tires and got the most miles); 
>> Conti GPs, Michelin Pro Races, Special

Re: [RBW] Re: Need Platypus tire advice

[Joe Bernard]

There's no reason you *can't *mix tire sizes. Back in the day - before 
suspension forks - mountain bikers would add a bit of cush to the front by 
running a bigger tire than the rear. You could do this with the knowledge 
that your rear 38 will wear faster, then replace with a 42 you've found by 
then. This could work! 

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 10:02:41 AM UTC-7 JAS wrote:

> Back to the drawing board on tires...I'm officially calling this "tire 
> angst." The order for the 42 Shikoros went through, Pay Pal and all.  I was 
> so happy!  Later, I received an apology from the merchant stating they were 
> out of stock but hadn't updated their website.  No!  I called and spoke to 
> James at Riv; he called their rep who has no idea when there will be more.  
> I'd already sent an email to Soma and their eventual reply was the 
> same...resupply date is unknown.  Someone on Amazon has one 42mm Shikoro 
> (or at least they did yesterday). 
>
> So I suppose I'll have to settle for Shikoro 38mm or consider the Rene 
> Herse options.  Does it make any sense to put a 42mm Shikoro on the rear 
> and 38mm on the front?  Or vice versa?
>
> Thanks for listening to my rant.
>
> --Joyce 
>
> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 12:17:33 PM UTC-7 Emily Guise wrote:
>
>> Joyce, so glad you were able to get those Shikoros! I have them on my 
>> 60cm Platy and have been very pleasantly surprised by how nice they feel on 
>> the road; they seem to really smooth out the rough spots. So far I haven't 
>> had a flat in a month of ownership even though our streets are full of 
>> glass and potholes. Two thumbs up from me!
>>
>> -Emily
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 11:41:11 AM UTC-7 JAS wrote:
>>
>>> Garth, you're a life-saver!  I got busy right away and ordered the 
>>> tires.  Thanks so much for the link.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 3:01:55 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>>
 Joyce,  Enjoy the ride !!!  Shikoro 700x42 ..  
 https://takeahikeshop.com/products/soma-shikoro-700c-k-tire-black-brown
 ?




 On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 7:51:54 PM UTC-4 JAS wrote:

> Jason, what casing did you select for your RH tires?  Standard, 
> extralight or endurance?  I'm impressed with your mileage to flat ratio.
>
> Garth, you're right!  It's ultimately about life and enjoying the 
> ride. I"ll bet you've read "Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Performance" 
> by 
> Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi.  If not, you might enjoy it.
>
> Joe, I also found that the Kenda Kwik tires that came on my Clem rode 
> like bricks, though I didn't know how bad they were until I switched to 
> Big 
> Bens.  I have Schwalbe Marathons on my Bike Friday for touring for the 
> flat 
> protection.  My hands aren't as strong as they used to be so it's often a 
> struggle to get the tire back on the rim.
>
> Thanks to all for continuing this conversation about tires.  I 
> appreciate the opportunity to learn more about bikes via your experience. 
>  
> As far as my tire decision goes,  I'm currently leaning toward the 
> folding 
> Shikoro 700 x 38 due to availability.  I don't know if the 42mm would be 
> better, but can't find them in the folding (lighter) version.
>
> --Joyce
> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 3:13:06 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I was riding 70 to 100 miles per week back then with 3 to 5 bikes, 
>> most on the commuter and allrounder, mostly on pavement but say 1/3 dirt.
>>
>> Oh: One big exception to the "flatting fast tires": Big Apples. They 
>> rolled surprisingly well for their bulk, but got perhaps 1/3 of the 
>> flats 
>> per unit distance of the other tires; in order of flat-prone-ness, ie 
>> from 
>> more flats to less flats per unit: 26 X 1.25 Paselas, non-TG (and yet 
>> for a 
>> number of years these were my commuting tires and got the most miles); 
>> Conti GPs, Michelin Pro Races, Specialised Turbos (yep, fewer flats than 
>> the Paselas); 26 X 1.35 and 700C X 35 Kojaks; 26 and 29" 2.35" Big 
>> Apples).
>>
>> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 5:06 PM Patrick Moore  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Each to his or her own. It depends on what you prefer. Many ride 
>>> stiff tires that don't flat; pre-sealant, I preferred -- no, really, 
>>> really 
>>> much preferred --  to fix over 150 flats per year (2 boxes of 100 Remas 
>>> per 
>>> year, more or less) instead of riding tires that felt slow. 
>>>
>>> Fortunately, modern sealants even here in goatheadland allow one to 
>>> ride the lighest, thinnest tires with hardly any flats and resulting 
>>> pleasure: in tubes for higher pressures, tubeless for lower pressures.*
>>>
>>> Of course, we get very little rain; and also, 2 spare tubes per bike 
>>> usually let me get home before I had to break out the patch kit (also 
>>> one 
>>> for

[RBW] Beginners SLR camera?

[Patrick Moore]

My daughter has come to like film photography during her first
attempts using a high quality borrowed manual SLR.

I'd like to get her an SLR, preferably manual, preferably with a
flash, of decent quality but not too expensive; and I have no idea
what "expensive" means here.

She would also be happy with a point and shoot, but I think that if
affordable that a minimally decent manual with flash would be more
satisfying.

I know many of you are photographers; what would you recommend, and
why? Manual or automatic?

I might be in the market for a decent used camera for her 20th birthday.

My posted photographs are really bad, I know that, and this despite
some care. She might be able to help me learn how to take better ones.

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Re: [RBW] Beginners SLR camera?

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Patrick:

Excellent option is the Canon T50. Simple, cheap SLR (you can find them with a 
Canon lens for less than $50 on eBay) that uses the common Canon FD lens mount.

Manual focus with automatic exposure only, so if she wants to learn about 
exposure it’s not the right camera. 

If she wants a camera that lets the user set shutter speed and aperture, try 
the Minolta SRT 101. They’re going for about $60-80 on eBay with a 50mm Minolta 
lens. It takes lenses with the Minolta SR mount, which means that, like the 
Canon, there are a bunch of nice used lenses out there.

Hope this helps! Film is fun!

--Eric N

> On May 20, 2021, at 11:11 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> My daughter has come to like film photography during her first
> attempts using a high quality borrowed manual SLR.
> 
> I'd like to get her an SLR, preferably manual, preferably with a
> flash, of decent quality but not too expensive; and I have no idea
> what "expensive" means here.
> 
> She would also be happy with a point and shoot, but I think that if
> affordable that a minimally decent manual with flash would be more
> satisfying.
> 
> I know many of you are photographers; what would you recommend, and
> why? Manual or automatic?
> 
> I might be in the market for a decent used camera for her 20th birthday.
> 
> My posted photographs are really bad, I know that, and this despite
> some care. She might be able to help me learn how to take better ones.
> 
> -- 
> 
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] Another >10year old Rivendell

[esoterica etc]

In his initial post to start this thread, Bill said, "My Sam Hillborne is 
freaking perfect, and there is no question in my mind that if I had to downsize 
from 16 bikes to 1, the Hillborne would be the one I'd keep."

I'm really rather surprised to hear you say that Bill, especially since you've 
got an Ebisu All-Purpose bike. Could you please expound on the reason(s) that, 
for you, makes your Hillborne better than the Ebisu? 

On a tangential note, if you ever find yourself in a pickle and have to scale 
down to N, I call first dibs on the Ebisu!  :)

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC


> On May 18, 2021, at 13:11, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> My Sam Hillborne is freaking perfect, and there is no question in my mind 
> that if I had to downsize from 16 bikes to 1, the Hillborne would be the one 
> I'd keep.

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Re: [RBW] Re: well, here's my Sam Hillborne build

[Patrick Moore]

Saddlebags, even the better Rivendell designs, are going to sway somewhat
unless supported by something underneath, and they may well brush the back
of your thighs. Neither bothers me, though I prefer rack and panniers for
allowing me easily to vary cubic capacity with load to be carried.

I've never found that saddlebags affected the handling a great deal unless
you had a huge weight in a very large Carradice-type bag, when sway could
affect cornering, but IME, not so's you'd really care about it.



On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 11:17 AM Jack Barnes  wrote:

> How do you like the ride with the big saddle bag? I think my Sam is the
> same size as yours, also with drop bars, and I commute with a single
> ortlieb rear pannier—been wondering about better ways to load it up. The
> assymmetrical loading never bothered me much but maybe I'm just carrying
> more stuff now.
>
> On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 7:42:10 AM UTC-7 lug...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I couldn't find any Geometry charts for a SH and I was about to give up
>> and write the company when there it was, right on the main home page.
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry
>>
>> and you are so correct. My HT angle caculation is way off.
>> I'll measure again (just as an exercise.)
>>
>> [image: Rivendell geometry and sizing and angles.jpg]
>>
>> On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 8:32:03 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Your seat tube angle measurement looks pretty close.  The Sam Hillborne
>>> geo charts I've seen over the last 12-13 years have always had a 71.5
>>> degree seat tube angle.
>>>
>>> Your head tube angle measurement looks way off.  The Sam Hillborne geo
>>> charts I've seen over the last 12-13 years have had a head tube angle in
>>> the 72 degree neighborhood.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 5:44:54 PM UTC-7 lug...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 does anyone know what the real ST and HT angles are for a SH?
 Mine feels VERY laid back seattube wise.
 by my amateur measuring I am getting
 ST angle 71.6
 HT angle 77.6[image: Rivendell Sam Hillborne Metrics and angles.png]

 On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 8:41:29 PM UTC-4 Peter Stock wrote:

> a bit slap-dash. I was trying to just use parts on hand to get it
> rolling.
> Universals 61 calipers, a rare Specialixed triple crankset, everything
> else is ordinary.
> but we've been out for a few test rides.
> it feels  different ... from my traditional road bikes, that's for
> sure.
> I have not yet dialed in the fit to feel fully comfortable. I feel as
> if I have too much weight on my hands - which is odd because the stem is
> rising.
> I've shifted the saddle a bit further forward.
> I'd like to get some fatter tires. apparently that's the thing with a
> SH. (the clearance really is HUGE.)[image: Rivendell with Caradice SP
> bag.JPG][image: Rivendell Sam Hillborne front angle.JPG][image:
> Rivendell Sam Hillborne full side.JPG]
> eh, we'll see. for the moment she's a good service bike.
>
> Peter
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Re: [RBW] Beginners SLR camera?

[Matthew Williams]

Hi Patrick,

I started out with my parents' Olympus OM-1 with a 50mm lens: manual, with a 
built-in light meter. I later upgraded to a Nikon FE2, with an 28-80mm zoom 
with a macro. The FE2 is also a manual, with an aperture-priority automatic 
feature.

Both of those cameras are excellent cameras for a beginner. I would absolutely 
recommend starting with a fully manual camera to learn the basics of exposure 
and lighting. A 50mm is a good starter lens; the 28-80 zoom & macro has more 
options for closeups and learning the basics of composition.

For a beginner, I'd recommend:

Manual, with built-in meter:
Pentax K1000
Olympus OM-1
Nikon FM2 

After that, I'd graduate to:
Manual, with built-in meter and aperture-priority automatic:
Nikon FE2

Manual, with built-in meter and shutter-priority automatic:
Canon AE1

The Pentax and Olympus are good cameras that won't break the bank; the FM2 is 
more expensive, but it will last a lifetime. I still use my FE2.

A 50mm lens with a set of red and yellow filters would be a good setup for a 
beginner. Once she's comfortable with the 50mm, you can get a multi-purpose 
lens.




On May 20, 2021, at 11:11 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> My daughter has come to like film photography during her first
> attempts using a high quality borrowed manual SLR.
> 
> I'd like to get her an SLR, preferably manual, preferably with a
> flash, of decent quality but not too expensive; and I have no idea
> what "expensive" means here.
> 
> She would also be happy with a point and shoot, but I think that if
> affordable that a minimally decent manual with flash would be more
> satisfying.
> 
> I know many of you are photographers; what would you recommend, and
> why? Manual or automatic?
> 
> I might be in the market for a decent used camera for her 20th birthday.
> 
> My posted photographs are really bad, I know that, and this despite
> some care. She might be able to help me learn how to take better ones.
> 
> -- 
> 
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] Beginners SLR camera?

[Paul Richardson]

i'll cast a vote for a canon ae-1.  easy to come by, very beginner 
friendly, and, with some basic understanding of the exposure triangle, not 
too difficult to get nice looking photos that were obviously not taken on 
an iphone.  i say forget the flash and try higher iso film if she wants to 
shoot in low light.  

paul
takoma park, md.
On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 2:56:21 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
>
> I started out with my parents' Olympus OM-1 with a 50mm lens: manual, with 
> a built-in light meter. I later upgraded to a Nikon FE2, with an 28-80mm 
> zoom with a macro. The FE2 is also a manual, with an aperture-priority 
> automatic feature.
>
> Both of those cameras are excellent cameras for a beginner. I would 
> absolutely recommend starting with a fully manual camera to learn the 
> basics of exposure and lighting. A 50mm is a good starter lens; the 28-80 
> zoom & macro has more options for closeups and learning the basics of 
> composition.
>
> For a beginner, I'd recommend:
>
> Manual, with built-in meter:
> Pentax K1000
> Olympus OM-1
> Nikon FM2 
>
> After that, I'd graduate to:
> Manual, with built-in meter and aperture-priority automatic:
> Nikon FE2
>
> Manual, with built-in meter and shutter-priority automatic:
> Canon AE1
>
> The Pentax and Olympus are good cameras that won't break the bank; the FM2 
> is more expensive, but it will last a lifetime. I still use my FE2.
>
> A 50mm lens with a set of red and yellow filters would be a good setup for 
> a beginner. Once she's comfortable with the 50mm, you can get a 
> multi-purpose lens.
>
>
>
>
> On May 20, 2021, at 11:11 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> > My daughter has come to like film photography during her first
> > attempts using a high quality borrowed manual SLR.
> > 
> > I'd like to get her an SLR, preferably manual, preferably with a
> > flash, of decent quality but not too expensive; and I have no idea
> > what "expensive" means here.
> > 
> > She would also be happy with a point and shoot, but I think that if
> > affordable that a minimally decent manual with flash would be more
> > satisfying.
> > 
> > I know many of you are photographers; what would you recommend, and
> > why? Manual or automatic?
> > 
> > I might be in the market for a decent used camera for her 20th birthday.
> > 
> > My posted photographs are really bad, I know that, and this despite
> > some care. She might be able to help me learn how to take better ones.
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > ---
> > Patrick Moore
> > Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
> > 
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Re: [RBW] Beginners SLR camera?

[Benjamin L. Kelley]

Going with others in the now closed iBob thread.
I vote for Pentax K1000, super plentiful, cheap lenses. Fully manual.
It's what I learned film on, being a recent beginner myself.
The light meter was off by a couple stops on mine but I was able to adjust
the ISO and make up for it, shot many many rolls on it happily.  Only
recently sold it because I found another on craigslist to see if the meter
worked better on it(it did), but it also came in a lot with an Canon
AE-1(did not care for the system, shutter priority is not my thing), and a
Minolta X-700(really liked the system and decided to keep it also aperture
priority yay! and rokkor glass is very nice) and sold the rest for store
credit to get a nicer large format camera. Toyo 45CF, in case anyone is
curious :)

I think you'd do great with a fully manual such as K1000, FM2, or OM1 as
Matthew said, then upgrade from there.

--ben





On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 2:08 PM Paul Richardson 
wrote:

> i'll cast a vote for a canon ae-1.  easy to come by, very beginner
> friendly, and, with some basic understanding of the exposure triangle, not
> too difficult to get nice looking photos that were obviously not taken on
> an iphone.  i say forget the flash and try higher iso film if she wants to
> shoot in low light.
>
> paul
> takoma park, md.
> On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 2:56:21 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Hi Patrick,
>>
>> I started out with my parents' Olympus OM-1 with a 50mm lens: manual,
>> with a built-in light meter. I later upgraded to a Nikon FE2, with an
>> 28-80mm zoom with a macro. The FE2 is also a manual, with an
>> aperture-priority automatic feature.
>>
>> Both of those cameras are excellent cameras for a beginner. I would
>> absolutely recommend starting with a fully manual camera to learn the
>> basics of exposure and lighting. A 50mm is a good starter lens; the 28-80
>> zoom & macro has more options for closeups and learning the basics of
>> composition.
>>
>> For a beginner, I'd recommend:
>>
>> Manual, with built-in meter:
>> Pentax K1000
>> Olympus OM-1
>> Nikon FM2
>>
>> After that, I'd graduate to:
>> Manual, with built-in meter and aperture-priority automatic:
>> Nikon FE2
>>
>> Manual, with built-in meter and shutter-priority automatic:
>> Canon AE1
>>
>> The Pentax and Olympus are good cameras that won't break the bank; the
>> FM2 is more expensive, but it will last a lifetime. I still use my FE2.
>>
>> A 50mm lens with a set of red and yellow filters would be a good setup
>> for a beginner. Once she's comfortable with the 50mm, you can get a
>> multi-purpose lens.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 20, 2021, at 11:11 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> > My daughter has come to like film photography during her first
>> > attempts using a high quality borrowed manual SLR.
>> >
>> > I'd like to get her an SLR, preferably manual, preferably with a
>> > flash, of decent quality but not too expensive; and I have no idea
>> > what "expensive" means here.
>> >
>> > She would also be happy with a point and shoot, but I think that if
>> > affordable that a minimally decent manual with flash would be more
>> > satisfying.
>> >
>> > I know many of you are photographers; what would you recommend, and
>> > why? Manual or automatic?
>> >
>> > I might be in the market for a decent used camera for her 20th
>> birthday.
>> >
>> > My posted photographs are really bad, I know that, and this despite
>> > some care. She might be able to help me learn how to take better ones.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > ---
>> > Patrick Moore
>> > Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>> >
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[RBW] Re: Beginners SLR camera?

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Ha... dusting off my "back in the day" file...
Worked in a photography shop just as the first Canon Sure-Shots came out - 
we sold everything from Leica through off-brand stuff. Even had a full 
darkroom department. (Kids, ask your parents...)

True manual = mechanical shutter.  

The Canon AE (which stood for Automatic Exposure) series was excellent, but 
used a larger battery and wouldn't work if it went dead. They were 
auto-exposure (AE1 let you set the shutter speed manually, and the lens set 
the aperture). Lenses were great, and the were solid units. The predecessor 
to that was the FT series, which were tanks. I had one for a while and held 
onto it for a long time just for that reason, they were the RBW's of the 
SLR world, as were the Nikon FM (manual) models. The old Nikkormats 
(precursor to Nikon) were sturdy beasts as well, though you have to make 
sure you have the right lenses for them. 

I used mostly Olympus OM-1's, as they had fully mechanical shutters and 
were small but tough. Good lenses. Low profile. Simple +/- metering in the 
viewfinder.

Minolta SRT (201?) series were bigger and bulkier, but worked really well.  
Circle/ring metering. 

Pentax K1000 was another in that same style. Basic. Solid. Used the 
"bayonet" Pentax lenses rather than the screw-on lenses of the Spotmatic 
(another good option if you can find the lenses).

If you can't find factory lenses, the Vivitar Series 1 lenses from that era 
were good. 

- J
On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 11:11:29 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> My daughter has come to like film photography during her first
> attempts using a high quality borrowed manual SLR.
>
> I'd like to get her an SLR, preferably manual, preferably with a
> flash, of decent quality but not too expensive; and I have no idea
> what "expensive" means here.
>
> She would also be happy with a point and shoot, but I think that if
> affordable that a minimally decent manual with flash would be more
> satisfying.
>
> I know many of you are photographers; what would you recommend, and
> why? Manual or automatic?
>
> I might be in the market for a decent used camera for her 20th birthday.
>
> My posted photographs are really bad, I know that, and this despite
> some care. She might be able to help me learn how to take better ones.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] Re: question re Dremel attachments

[Addison Quarles]

The cordless option had never occurred to me; part of my trouble has always 
been the weight of the cord throwing off the balance of the tool so that 
could really make a difference. And I can say for sure I've probably not 
been letting the blade do the work, hence the worry about binding and 
scooting into the frame/fork. 
Any kind of snip would obviously be out of the question with tubular fender 
stays, but I guess I had assumed we were talking about solid ones since he 
didn't specify. 
I've never had much problem with a hand file slipping, but it would seem 
we've landed on a concrete example of different strokes being for different 
folks. 
Sounds like I'll have to invest in a battery operated Dremel and give this 
whole "brevity thing" a try! 
-Addison


On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 1:07:45 PM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote:

> I just picked up the cutting wheels below and they did cut through a 
> broken tap so they appear to do a good job so far. And it didn’t shatter 
> like many of the cutting wheels I have used in the past.
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B4UDH3/ref=ppx_yo_mob_b_track_package_o0_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>
> +1 on the cordless option. I just picked one up to replace a corded model 
> and cordless is the way to go.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 19, 2021, at 10:12 AM, Paul Brodek  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I slip with a hand file a heckuva lot more than I do with a Dremel. 
>
> And the Dremel leaves so much less to finish after the cut. Sometimes it 
> just takes a few twists with some sandpaper.
>
> I don't have a lot of Honjo tubular struts, but I've got a couple/few, and 
> snips/cutters don't make any sense there. Dremel or hacksaw.
>
> The key Dremel heaven is to use a rechargeable Dremel, no cord to get in 
> the way or limit travel.
>
> And that's all I have to say about that
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 12:05:42 PM UTC-4 bicycler...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Are you set on using a dremel for cutting and finishing? 
>> I use a pair of bolt cutters and a bench top belt sander with good 
>> results. I just worry about operating spinny, cutty tools so near a 
>> (presumably) beautiful paint job. It's of course more work to fit them, cut 
>> them, take them off, finish the edges and then reinstall, but maybe I'm 
>> just one to take the scenic route. 
>> If I'm in a "hurry" I'll cut with the bolt cutters and finish with a hand 
>> file, leaving the strut mounted to the fender but not mounted to the frame 
>> eyelet. 
>> All the same, if you're handy with the Dremel and trust that you won't 
>> nick the paint, I've always enjoyed using a flex shaft attachment, as it's 
>> easier to articulate with. 
>> Best of luck!
>> -Addison 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 7:50:11 PM UTC-7 Jim S. wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, I'm fixing to cut some fender stays and rack struts with my 
>>> Dremel rotary.
>>>
>>> Wow, there are an incredible number of attachment options. It's rather 
>>> paralyzing.
>>>
>>> I'd be grateful if you could recommend (1) a Dremel attachment for 
>>> cutting stays or struts, and (2) an attachment for smoothing out the sharp 
>>> edges after the cuts.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any information.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Beginners SLR camera?

[Jacob Byard]

You would be hard pressed to better than Canon AE-1 Program. It uses the FD 
lens system. That makes buying lens much cheaper. The build quality is top 
level. It’s an excellent camera. 

The Olympus XA2 is a small pocketable rangefinder (more or less anyway). If 
she’s interested in street photography then this is the camera to get. This is 
my most reached for camera. 

If she’s not dead set on an SLR then a TLR is an option. These are very cool 
cameras that server as a great teaching device. 

I’d buy the Canon.  It’s got tons of flexibility and she’ll be able to use it 
for years to come. 

Cheers,

Jacob


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> On May 20, 2021, at 2:11 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> My daughter has come to like film photography during her first
> attempts using a high quality borrowed manual SLR.
> 
> I'd like to get her an SLR, preferably manual, preferably with a
> flash, of decent quality but not too expensive; and I have no idea
> what "expensive" means here.
> 
> She would also be happy with a point and shoot, but I think that if
> affordable that a minimally decent manual with flash would be more
> satisfying.
> 
> I know many of you are photographers; what would you recommend, and
> why? Manual or automatic?
> 
> I might be in the market for a decent used camera for her 20th birthday.
> 
> My posted photographs are really bad, I know that, and this despite
> some care. She might be able to help me learn how to take better ones.
> 
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[RBW] WTB/WTT road frame for a tall person

[Kevin]

Hi all,

I'm looking for a road frameset (or possibly complete bike) in the 62-68 cm 
range. I have particular interest in Rambouillets or Redwoods but other, 
similar bikes of any era with a Rivish sensibility on tire clearance and 
bar positioning would also be welcome.

Some background, I ride a ~2018 Sam mostly now, and while it's a great 
all-rounder or 'if you could only have one' type of bike, I just don't need 
the extra versatility it provides most of the time and, on the occasions I 
do, I end up wishing it had bigger tires. So, rather than throwing cash 
into a weight loss program and likely futile and expensive attempt to make 
it something it's not, I've decided just to look for something else.

If you are interested in trading for said Sam (62, 2TT, canti, sage) I'm 
willing to explore that avenue. Otherwise happy just to purchase.

Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Need Platypus tire advice

[Doug Williams]

I am also a Babyshoe Pass fan. Been riding them on my Homer for years, both 
with tubes and tubeless. Very, very nice. The ride and handle beautifully 
and they are absolutely silent, which I enjoy (some people don't care about 
sound).

Doug

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 11:09:06 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> There's no reason you *can't *mix tire sizes. Back in the day - before 
> suspension forks - mountain bikers would add a bit of cush to the front by 
> running a bigger tire than the rear. You could do this with the knowledge 
> that your rear 38 will wear faster, then replace with a 42 you've found by 
> then. This could work! 
>
> On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 10:02:41 AM UTC-7 JAS wrote:
>
>> Back to the drawing board on tires...I'm officially calling this "tire 
>> angst." The order for the 42 Shikoros went through, Pay Pal and all.  I was 
>> so happy!  Later, I received an apology from the merchant stating they were 
>> out of stock but hadn't updated their website.  No!  I called and spoke to 
>> James at Riv; he called their rep who has no idea when there will be more.  
>> I'd already sent an email to Soma and their eventual reply was the 
>> same...resupply date is unknown.  Someone on Amazon has one 42mm Shikoro 
>> (or at least they did yesterday). 
>>
>> So I suppose I'll have to settle for Shikoro 38mm or consider the Rene 
>> Herse options.  Does it make any sense to put a 42mm Shikoro on the rear 
>> and 38mm on the front?  Or vice versa?
>>
>> Thanks for listening to my rant.
>>
>> --Joyce 
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 12:17:33 PM UTC-7 Emily Guise wrote:
>>
>>> Joyce, so glad you were able to get those Shikoros! I have them on my 
>>> 60cm Platy and have been very pleasantly surprised by how nice they feel on 
>>> the road; they seem to really smooth out the rough spots. So far I haven't 
>>> had a flat in a month of ownership even though our streets are full of 
>>> glass and potholes. Two thumbs up from me!
>>>
>>> -Emily
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 11:41:11 AM UTC-7 JAS wrote:
>>>
 Garth, you're a life-saver!  I got busy right away and ordered the 
 tires.  Thanks so much for the link.

 On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 3:01:55 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> Joyce,  Enjoy the ride !!!  Shikoro 700x42 ..  
> https://takeahikeshop.com/products/soma-shikoro-700c-k-tire-black-brown
> ?
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 7:51:54 PM UTC-4 JAS wrote:
>
>> Jason, what casing did you select for your RH tires?  Standard, 
>> extralight or endurance?  I'm impressed with your mileage to flat ratio.
>>
>> Garth, you're right!  It's ultimately about life and enjoying the 
>> ride. I"ll bet you've read "Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Performance" 
>> by 
>> Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi.  If not, you might enjoy it.
>>
>> Joe, I also found that the Kenda Kwik tires that came on my Clem rode 
>> like bricks, though I didn't know how bad they were until I switched to 
>> Big 
>> Bens.  I have Schwalbe Marathons on my Bike Friday for touring for the 
>> flat 
>> protection.  My hands aren't as strong as they used to be so it's often 
>> a 
>> struggle to get the tire back on the rim.
>>
>> Thanks to all for continuing this conversation about tires.  I 
>> appreciate the opportunity to learn more about bikes via your 
>> experience.  
>> As far as my tire decision goes,  I'm currently leaning toward the 
>> folding 
>> Shikoro 700 x 38 due to availability.  I don't know if the 42mm would be 
>> better, but can't find them in the folding (lighter) version.
>>
>> --Joyce
>> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 3:13:06 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I was riding 70 to 100 miles per week back then with 3 to 5 bikes, 
>>> most on the commuter and allrounder, mostly on pavement but say 1/3 
>>> dirt.
>>>
>>> Oh: One big exception to the "flatting fast tires": Big Apples. They 
>>> rolled surprisingly well for their bulk, but got perhaps 1/3 of the 
>>> flats 
>>> per unit distance of the other tires; in order of flat-prone-ness, ie 
>>> from 
>>> more flats to less flats per unit: 26 X 1.25 Paselas, non-TG (and yet 
>>> for a 
>>> number of years these were my commuting tires and got the most miles); 
>>> Conti GPs, Michelin Pro Races, Specialised Turbos (yep, fewer flats 
>>> than 
>>> the Paselas); 26 X 1.35 and 700C X 35 Kojaks; 26 and 29" 2.35" Big 
>>> Apples).
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 5:06 PM Patrick Moore  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Each to his or her own. It depends on what you prefer. Many ride 
 stiff tires that don't flat; pre-sealant, I preferred -- no, really, 
 really 
 much preferred --  to fix over 150 flats per year (2 boxes of 100 
 Remas per 
 year, more or less) instead of riding tires that

[RBW] Regrets

[Damien]

In my seemingly endless search to optimize my bike collection, fill gaps, 
and try new and cool bikes, I recently realized how many bikes I've had in 
my life and how many questionable decisions I've made. There are a number 
of choices I've made, for better or worse, to sell bikes in order to make 
room for other bikes, downsize, or simply because I felt they weren't 
getting the use they deserved.

My question to the group is: what bike or bikes do you most regret selling, 
trading, or giving away?  

For me, as you may know, I absolutely regret selling my Roadini, and an old 
Marinoni touring bike that I originally thought was too big for me (I 
realize now how wrong I was, and am currently in the process of replacing 
it!).

Would love to hear what regrets others here have!

<3
Damien

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Re: [RBW] Regrets

[Robert Blunt]

Ooh. This is an easy one for me. I sold my Bleriot around 2011, but just
bought one from Brendan in good shape and am now riding it around the
Hopewell Valley in NJ. Regrets, yes, but I got a second chance to own a
Bleriot.

Robert Blunt
Pennington, NJ

On Thu, May 20, 2021, 3:56 PM Damien  wrote:

> In my seemingly endless search to optimize my bike collection, fill gaps,
> and try new and cool bikes, I recently realized how many bikes I've had in
> my life and how many questionable decisions I've made. There are a number
> of choices I've made, for better or worse, to sell bikes in order to make
> room for other bikes, downsize, or simply because I felt they weren't
> getting the use they deserved.
>
> My question to the group is: what bike or bikes do you most regret
> selling, trading, or giving away?
>
> For me, as you may know, I absolutely regret selling my Roadini, and an
> old Marinoni touring bike that I originally thought was too big for me (I
> realize now how wrong I was, and am currently in the process of replacing
> it!).
>
> Would love to hear what regrets others here have!
>
> <3
> Damien
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Re: [RBW] Regrets

[luckyturnip]

I’ve had a few, but the ones that keep me scouring Craigslist (for no reason, 
don’t need them!) were both older rigid steel Specialized mountain bikes, one a 
Rockhopper in the lovely purple to indigo colorway with yellow writing (my 
son’s outgrown bike replaced with a giant chunky 29er Rockhopper), and the 
other a matte gray Stumpjumper, both early 90’s bikes. 
I love older Specialized mountain/cross bikes and now they’re increasingly more 
collectible/desirable...especially in the fun 80’s/90’s colorways. They make 
great pseudo Riv or Riv inspired rides as I’m sure you all know.
I still have one, all black rigid Stumpy with pink lettering, done up with pink 
and turquoise doo-dads, Pelago rack and basket, black pseudo-Albatross, and 
Surly Extraterrestrials. 

> On May 20, 2021, at 12:56, Damien  wrote:
> 
> In my seemingly endless search to optimize my bike collection, fill gaps, 
> and try new and cool bikes, I recently realized how many bikes I've had in my 
> life and how many questionable decisions I've made. There are a number of 
> choices I've made, for better or worse, to sell bikes in order to make room 
> for other bikes, downsize, or simply because I felt they weren't getting the 
> use they deserved.
> 
> My question to the group is: what bike or bikes do you most regret selling, 
> trading, or giving away?  
> 
> For me, as you may know, I absolutely regret selling my Roadini, and an old 
> Marinoni touring bike that I originally thought was too big for me (I realize 
> now how wrong I was, and am currently in the process of replacing it!).
> 
> Would love to hear what regrets others here have!
> 
> <3
> Damien
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[RBW] Re: Regrets

[lconley]

I regret selling my Masi Gran Criterium in 1987, bought it used in 1981. It 
was my last year of my second five years in college (total of 10). I was 
broke and needed the money. I did keep my 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15, and 
still own it. There was a time when all I owned were my Paramount, my 
clothes and my textbooks. No shoes - I rode the Campagnolo pedals barefoot 
to class. Priorities!

Laing
Delray Beach FL

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 3:56:06 PM UTC-4 Damien wrote:

> In my seemingly endless search to optimize my bike collection, fill gaps, 
> and try new and cool bikes, I recently realized how many bikes I've had in 
> my life and how many questionable decisions I've made. There are a number 
> of choices I've made, for better or worse, to sell bikes in order to make 
> room for other bikes, downsize, or simply because I felt they weren't 
> getting the use they deserved.
>
> My question to the group is: what bike or bikes do you most regret 
> selling, trading, or giving away?  
>
> For me, as you may know, I absolutely regret selling my Roadini, and an 
> old Marinoni touring bike that I originally thought was too big for me (I 
> realize now how wrong I was, and am currently in the process of replacing 
> it!).
>
> Would love to hear what regrets others here have!
>
> <3
> Damien
>

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Re: [RBW] Regrets

[Patrick Moore]

Good question and interesting thread. My own situation has been slightly
tangential: always trying to make an imperfect bike into the perfect bike,
spending far too much given the worth of the starting point, and then
selling at a loss. However, the process did refine my understanding of what
I really want, and in the last few years I've been getting bikes that, if
not perfect, are certainly close enough (the 2 Matthews, for example) and
getting rid of other bikes that didn't fit my unique categories of
perfection or use, such as that 1958 Herse or the ~2010 Sam Hillborne, both
of which are among the few that I might have considered keeping, "even
though." There are others like this -- ~1990 Diamond Back Axis Team, 1991
Stumpjumper Team, 1989 Falcon, initial 1995 26" wheel Riv road custom; but
I can't really think of any that I have more than very mild regrets selling
off.

So, upshot, my regrets are minor ones, except for all the money I spent
before I learned to pay up front for what you really want instead of trying
to do perfection on the cheap or quick.

On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 1:56 PM Damien  wrote:

> In my seemingly endless search to optimize my bike collection, fill gaps,
> and try new and cool bikes, I recently realized how many bikes I've had in
> my life and how many questionable decisions I've made. There are a number
> of choices I've made, for better or worse, to sell bikes in order to make
> room for other bikes, downsize, or simply because I felt they weren't
> getting the use they deserved.
>
> My question to the group is: what bike or bikes do you most regret
> selling, trading, or giving away?
>
> For me, as you may know, I absolutely regret selling my Roadini, and an
> old Marinoni touring bike that I originally thought was too big for me (I
> realize now how wrong I was, and am currently in the process of replacing
> it!).
>
> Would love to hear what regrets others here have!
>
> <3
> Damien
>
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Re: [RBW] Regrets

[Brendan Willard]

Glad it found a good home!  Enjoy!

>> Thanks,
>> -Brendan Willard
>> Owner/Winemaker
>> Phantômé Cellars
phantomecellars.com 

Speaking in Thumbs 👍

> On May 20, 2021, at 1:02 PM, Robert Blunt  wrote:
> 
> 
> Ooh. This is an easy one for me. I sold my Bleriot around 2011, but just 
> bought one from Brendan in good shape and am now riding it around the 
> Hopewell Valley in NJ. Regrets, yes, but I got a second chance to own a 
> Bleriot.
> 
> Robert Blunt
> Pennington, NJ
> 
>> On Thu, May 20, 2021, 3:56 PM Damien  wrote:
>> In my seemingly endless search to optimize my bike collection, fill gaps, 
>> and try new and cool bikes, I recently realized how many bikes I've had in 
>> my life and how many questionable decisions I've made. There are a number of 
>> choices I've made, for better or worse, to sell bikes in order to make room 
>> for other bikes, downsize, or simply because I felt they weren't getting the 
>> use they deserved.
>> 
>> My question to the group is: what bike or bikes do you most regret selling, 
>> trading, or giving away?  
>> 
>> For me, as you may know, I absolutely regret selling my Roadini, and an old 
>> Marinoni touring bike that I originally thought was too big for me (I 
>> realize now how wrong I was, and am currently in the process of replacing 
>> it!).
>> 
>> Would love to hear what regrets others here have!
>> 
>> <3
>> Damien
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Re: [RBW] Regrets

[reynoldslugs]

I regret selling a lovely Woodrup touring bike in 1983.  I was broke and 
needed money for grad school.  That wasn’t smart.

I regret the loss of a really pretty grey Trek, sweet grey color with 
Columbus tubes, that was crushed by an errant Chevrolet in 1980.

I do not regret saying “goodbye” to a number of bikes a gave away.  The 
ones I gave away went to good homes, and were loved and used.  I’ve given 
away two Colnagos ( a Masterlight and a pink Super),  a 1980 Mercian KOM, 
 and a Quickbeam.  All of them went to friends who really like them, and 
they get ridden and appreciated.  I gave the pink Colnago to a young 
mechanic at the LBS who took it all over the world when he was in the 
service, rode the heck out of it.   

Max Beach
Santa Rosa CA

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 1:41:56 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Good question and interesting thread. My own situation has been slightly 
> tangential: always trying to make an imperfect bike into the perfect bike, 
> spending far too much given the worth of the starting point, and then 
> selling at a loss. However, the process did refine my understanding of what 
> I really want, and in the last few years I've been getting bikes that, if 
> not perfect, are certainly close enough (the 2 Matthews, for example) and 
> getting rid of other bikes that didn't fit my unique categories of 
> perfection or use, such as that 1958 Herse or the ~2010 Sam Hillborne, both 
> of which are among the few that I might have considered keeping, "even 
> though." There are others like this -- ~1990 Diamond Back Axis Team, 1991 
> Stumpjumper Team, 1989 Falcon, initial 1995 26" wheel Riv road custom; but 
> I can't really think of any that I have more than very mild regrets selling 
> off.
>
> So, upshot, my regrets are minor ones, except for all the money I spent 
> before I learned to pay up front for what you really want instead of trying 
> to do perfection on the cheap or quick.
>
> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 1:56 PM Damien  wrote:
>
>> In my seemingly endless search to optimize my bike collection, fill gaps, 
>> and try new and cool bikes, I recently realized how many bikes I've had in 
>> my life and how many questionable decisions I've made. There are a number 
>> of choices I've made, for better or worse, to sell bikes in order to make 
>> room for other bikes, downsize, or simply because I felt they weren't 
>> getting the use they deserved.
>>
>> My question to the group is: what bike or bikes do you most regret 
>> selling, trading, or giving away?  
>>
>> For me, as you may know, I absolutely regret selling my Roadini, and an 
>> old Marinoni touring bike that I originally thought was too big for me (I 
>> realize now how wrong I was, and am currently in the process of replacing 
>> it!).
>>
>> Would love to hear what regrets others here have!
>>
>> <3
>> Damien
>>
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Re: [RBW] Another >10year old Rivendell

[Bill Lindsay]

Mark asked about why my Hillborne is "better" than my Ebisu.  

You caught me.  The Ebisu is also pretty much perfect, and it's set up 
almost identical to the Hillborne.  Those two bikes absolutely replace one 
another functionally, and I always have them living at different locations 
for that reason.  Aesthetically, the Ebisu is 'old' or 'classic'.  In order 
to achieve the fit I want in contemporary Stack and Reach space, I need to 
ride a huge level top tube frameset that I can't barely stand over.  It's a 
classic French or English look, with a fist full of seatpost, but having a 
frame that I can barely stand over doesn't get me anything but the look of 
an old bike.  The Ebisu provokes comments from some cyclist-bros "that bike 
is too big for you".  I may have said that 25 years ago, but I also didn't 
know about stack and reach 25 years ago.  25 years ago I thought it was all 
about top tube length and seat tube length.  Aesthetically, I suppose you 
could say the same thing about lugs.  Lugs don't get you anything but a 
look that is classic.  The sloping top tube design of the Hillborne is 
definitely the way I would spec a custom.  So, that's the one functional 
tiebreaker.  The other from a hypothetical downsizing exercise, the Ebisu 
is worth a lot more in the minds of my potential buyer.  Even though they 
are equally awesome, I could get a lot more money for the Ebisu than I 
could get for the Hillborne.  The Ebisu is not a superior bike, but it is 
more coveted.  I'd sell the Ebisu for $5000 today to anybody who wants it 
:).  I'm at the stage in life where I'll never be in a pickle where the 
price of one bicycle would get me out of that pickle.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 11:31:59 AM UTC-7 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> In his initial post to start this thread, Bill said, "My Sam Hillborne is 
> freaking perfect, and there is no question in my mind that if I had to 
> downsize from 16 bikes to 1, the Hillborne would be the one I'd keep."
>
> I'm really rather surprised to hear you say that Bill, especially since 
> you've got an Ebisu All-Purpose bike. Could you please expound on the 
> reason(s) that, for you, makes your Hillborne better than the Ebisu? 
>
> On a tangential note, if you ever find yourself in a pickle and have to 
> scale down to N, I call first dibs on the Ebisu! :)
>
> ~Mark 
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> > On May 18, 2021, at 13:11, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> > 
> > My Sam Hillborne is freaking perfect, and there is no question in my 
> mind that if I had to downsize from 16 bikes to 1, the Hillborne would be 
> the one I'd keep.
>

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[RBW] Re: Regrets

[Joe Bernard]

My light blue first-gen Appaloosa. My vague recollection is I was going 
through all the things at the time and sold for emotional and financial 
reasons, but I'd take that decision back. In the long view my custom now 
makes that bike irrelevant for me, but I still miss it. 

Joe "cuz it's a bad idea" Bernard

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:56:06 PM UTC-7 Damien wrote:

> In my seemingly endless search to optimize my bike collection, fill gaps, 
> and try new and cool bikes, I recently realized how many bikes I've had in 
> my life and how many questionable decisions I've made. There are a number 
> of choices I've made, for better or worse, to sell bikes in order to make 
> room for other bikes, downsize, or simply because I felt they weren't 
> getting the use they deserved.
>
> My question to the group is: what bike or bikes do you most regret 
> selling, trading, or giving away?  
>
> For me, as you may know, I absolutely regret selling my Roadini, and an 
> old Marinoni touring bike that I originally thought was too big for me (I 
> realize now how wrong I was, and am currently in the process of replacing 
> it!).
>
> Would love to hear what regrets others here have!
>
> <3
> Damien
>

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[RBW] Re: Take this stuff off my hands! Sunglasses, LG shoes, Endura jacket: make offer

[Patrick Moore]

To clarify: I will very happily sell you the items individually for the
prices listed, but if you can use the whole schmear, make me an offer as
described.

Thanks.

On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 5:57 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> "Offer" because I don't want to mess around mailing each item. Make me an
> offer for everything. Willing consider trades; am looking for items or mix
> of items including good quality cycling shoes *size 45, Patrick!!) *suitable
> for slotted cleats and clips and straps; top quality toe straps and buttons
> and pads; solid walking shoes or ankle boots suitable for 10 1/2 American
> feet in thick merino socks, a good, *reliable* bluetooth mouse to work
> with my Macbook Airs that is less than 4 cm thick, top quality synthetic
> bar tape in orange, red, yellow, black, darker blue, and a lightweight
> rechargeable hair clipper with full array of guides from =/< 1/8" to 1".
>
> 1. Bolle wraparounds, no case, very dark, lightly used, vg condition, sit
> too loosely on my half-Asian nose, $50.
>
> 2. High end civilian sunglasses, very good lenses, wooden temples, from
> Japan? Too wide for me at 13 cm inside to inside at hinges, 14 cm inside to
> inside at ends of temples. $50.
>
> 3. Tifosi wraparounds, much used, with Tifosi case: free with purchase of
> other 2. Take all 3 for $110 shipped CONUS.
>
> 4. LG road shoes, 44, almost as new. I'm second owner and only tried them
> on to find they are too small. Previous owner said he wore them literally
> once around the block. Good for Yellow Jersey Look-pattern slotted cleats
> (these have holes for 2 of the 3 Look holes). You can change the laces to
> black. $30, what I paid for them.
>
> 5. Endura Convert jacket, Large, vg, 30" from *bottom* of neck seam to
> bottom of tail at center; 21 1/2" pit to pit. *NOTE: DEFECT!!!* A ~2" hem
> seam on the upper left sleeve started to ravel (unravel?) and I neatly
> stitched it back up with red thread; see photo. Now $40 + shipping.
>
> *Take everything for $125.00 shipped CONUS. Interested in trading for size
> 45 cycling shoe suitable for slotted cleats and clips/straps; also good toe
> straps, buttons, pads.*
>
> Thanks, Patrick
>
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[RBW] Re: Regrets

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

This 64cm Sam Hillborne- https://photos.app.goo.gl/oe7AdWXzUKB8NF8dA
but it's in a good home.
I popped the seatstay top braze off and had the joy of talking with Richard 
Schwinn about fixing it better than new, which he did for free. Once I had 
it back I was busy riding a Quickbeam and a Clem H, and felt weird about it 
having broken for some crazy reason, and sold it for a song...
-Kai

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 3:56:06 PM UTC-4 Damien wrote:

> In my seemingly endless search to optimize my bike collection, fill gaps, 
> and try new and cool bikes, I recently realized how many bikes I've had in 
> my life and how many questionable decisions I've made. There are a number 
> of choices I've made, for better or worse, to sell bikes in order to make 
> room for other bikes, downsize, or simply because I felt they weren't 
> getting the use they deserved.
>
> My question to the group is: what bike or bikes do you most regret 
> selling, trading, or giving away?  
>
> For me, as you may know, I absolutely regret selling my Roadini, and an 
> old Marinoni touring bike that I originally thought was too big for me (I 
> realize now how wrong I was, and am currently in the process of replacing 
> it!).
>
> Would love to hear what regrets others here have!
>
> <3
> Damien
>

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[RBW] Re: Another >10year old Rivendell

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bill

Glad your enjoying Michigan with the Sam.   The pictures were very nice.   

Not surprised about your conclusion the Sam would be the 1 bike you would 
keep, from your previous posts  I thought you also had a Northern-Lyon and 
with the low trial and thin wall tubing, I thought the N-L would be the one 
bike to keep.

There is a dairy farm a little north of Monroe, Calder Dairy Farm.  They 
have delicious ice cream if you ever ride or drive in that direction.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 1:11:01 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I've admittedly got a huge stable of bikes.  It has "swole" to fully 16 
> bikes at the moment.  I'm really proud of the fact that all of them are 
> dialed and that I ride them all.  As a result, even though I put down a 
> decent amount of mileage, none of my bikes has been ridden an epic amount.  
>
> The bike I've owned the longest and ridden the most is my 56cm Rivendell 
> Sam Hillborne.  I bought it initially in December of 2009.  My work 
> situation recently changed and has me travelling to Wayne County Michigan 
> once a month, for at least a week at a time.  As an investment in my own 
> quality of life away from home, I shipped out my Hillborne, which now lives 
> in my office.  At first it seemed like exile, but now I realize it's a 
> position of honor.  Here on the west edge of the eastern time zone, it 
> stays light until 9PM or later, so there's a ton of time to get riding in, 
> and when the choices are watching TV in a hotel room or going on a ride, 
> it's been quite easy to put quite a few miles in. When you have only one 
> bike, the choice is "ride or don't ride".  There's no fretting over 
> wear-leveling the whole stable.  Over this past weekend I made a longer 
> trek out into Washtenaw County to visit Ann Arbor.  It's shocking how 
> quickly the miles peel away when there are no hills to speak of.  
>
> My Sam Hillborne is freaking perfect, and there is no question in my mind 
> that if I had to downsize from 16 bikes to 1, the Hillborne would be the 
> one I'd keep.  Here's a few shots of my endeavors to increase my footprint 
> in Wayne County.  
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/51184956010
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/51183817561
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/51183880066
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/51183881196
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/51184958840
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA (but sometimes Livonia, MI)
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[RBW] Re: Charlotte, NC Riv Ride

[Pam Bikes]

I'm planning the ride for Sun at 2 on June 27th.  Start location will be 
the Plaza Midwood libary at 1623 Central Ave, Charlotte, NC 28205 (on the 
corner of Plaza/Central Ave.).  Please save the date and come ride.  

On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 8:05:26 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I'll be in Greensboro teaching Cycling Savvy June 5th.  Here's the link.  
> Please come!  I'll have my Betty and my co instructor has a lugged 
> Holdsworth bike.  Here's the link.  Everyone is welcome!  
> https://cyclingsavvy.org/event/cyclingsavvy-full-course-greensboro-nc/2021-06-02/
>
> On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 4:43:21 PM UTC-4 Artaud wrote:
>
>> Yes! I'm in Greensboro and would happily make the drive south.
>> Le samedi 15 mai 2021 à 15:41:50 UTC-4, RichS a écrit :
>>
>>> Pam,
>>>
>>> What an impressive fleet of step-over Rivs. Nicely portrayed too. Good 
>>> food for thought regarding the Riv ride.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 11:10:44 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>
 I'm thinking about a Riv ride in Charlotte, NC. And maybe even bring 
 S24O gear show and tell.  Sat or Sun in June.  Anybody on here interested 
 and able to come?  I also have 3 extra if someone wants to try them out: 
 50 
 CM Betty Foy, 55 Cheviot, 60 Cheviot.  

>>>

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