[RBW] Re: Convert to Tubeless?

[Philip Barrett]

Analog are building up my ULTD Sutra right now which will be tubeless, 
looks like I'll go with the James gang again for the same for the Riv.

On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 7:28:34 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> Analog did my tubeless conversion on two bikes 9 months ago, and I haven't 
> had a problem.  Or, a flat.  
> Roberta
>
> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 11:46:57 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Okey dokey folks - I'm thinking I'd like to convert my Clem Smith (650b) 
>> to tubeless. Reason being that my neighborhood and favorite route to the 
>> trails is pretty much old school industrial and I'm constantly fighting 
>> punctures from debris. Since the Alex rims look to support a tubeless set 
>> up it seems like I'll need the following;
>>
>>- tubeless compatible tires
>>- rim tape (Gorilla)
>>- tubeless valve stems
>>- tire sealant
>>
>> I have done the same conversion on a dirt motorcycle so familiar with the 
>> concept and install procedures but...
>>
>> What am I missing? Any caveats? Am I mad to attempt this? Plus any other 
>> advice would be most welcome.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Let's see your shop and workbench

[Eric Marth]

Quite the stable, Nick!

Charlie, I've never seen a lilac Atlantis. Pretty sweet! I dig that 
Columbian bench vise

On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 9:34:35 AM UTC-5 Charlie R wrote:

> Picture was taken in 2010 and the those bikes are gone but I always get a 
> smile seeing this picture.
>
>
> [image: oldbikes (13 of 18).JPG]
>
> On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 11:00:03 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> Seeing some of these bike collections makes me feel like the few I have 
>> aren’t such an indulgence. 
>>
>> As for the Russian River Brewing Company, we have several customers in 
>> their immediate neighborhood and I’m in that area occasionally. I generally 
>> stop in and pick up some beer. 
>> I’ve tried quite a few of them and I really like their Happy Hops. It’s a 
>> single IPA there’s also another one called row 2 hill 56 which is the 
>> location on a hops farm where the particular hops is grown. 
>> Another plug is for Altamont Brewing in Livermore CA. I delivered some 
>> machinery there the other day and went home with some of their brew. The 
>> Maui IPA is their flagship brew that they built their brewery on. 
>> Great group, I’ll definitely go back. Likely on bike and take BART part 
>> of the way home. 
>>
>> It seems like a lot of microbreweries have good relations with local 
>> cyclists. 
>> It would be nice if public transit improved to the point where more areas 
>> were better served. 
>>
>> Ray
>> On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 6:50:03 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> This is mine in its usual somewhat chaotic state:
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20210308_023835762 - Copy.jpg]
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Ray Evans]

I think you and that glorious bike need to go into a Witness Protection
Program now.

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 9:08 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> That bike with all its glorious teal and rose and Brooks and bags is - and
> there is no higher compliment from me - CRAZY. As the kids would say, it's
> ridiculous! Excellent work all around from Leah the parts/paint picker,
> Analog Cycles for the parts/ano, and the pro shop that put it all together.
> And Grant/Riv for the bike! 👏👏👏🏆🏆🏆
>
> Joe "I have a custom and I'm still jealous of Leah's bike" Bernard
>
> On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 7:53:12 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> (This message should have preceded my photos, but it was too large and
>> was not sent. Since the file is too large, you can see it on Instagram or
>> the Facebook groups if you like.)
>>
>> Well, while we wait for the ship to be unloaded (MONDAY! 🥳), I made a
>> video of my Platy because...IT’S FINALLY COMPLETE. I was waiting on a bunch
>> of rose anodized parts and a Randi Jo bag in custom colors and all of those
>> things arrived on Thursday and I whisked the whole getup to the bike shop
>> for assembly. Here’s a video that may not show up. So after that, I’ll send
>> pics.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Mar 4, 2021, at 4:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> "For what's it worth I had a dream last night that I went to Rivendell
>> and the Platypus frames all showed up defective.  They tried to sell me a
>> fat-tired folding E-bike.  Terrifying stuff."
>>
>> The way this would work in real like (cuz I'm the ebike liker around
>> here) is I would be in the parking lot selling that e-folder out of my
>> trunk and Grant would be chasing me off the premises 🤣
>>
>> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 11:15:03 AM UTC-8 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>
>>> Mike M:  Just turn on closed captions for English-ish translation.
>>>
>>> For what's it worth I had a dream last night that I went to Rivendell
>>> and the Platypus frames all showed up defective.  They tried to sell me a
>>> fat-tired folding E-bike.  Terrifying stuff.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 12:23:18 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
>>>
 Bluelug just posted a Platypus build video.
 I wish I understood Japanese!
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga8o1WKWgXs&t=537s

 Mike M

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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Tim Baldwin]

Love the new anodized parts! With style like that, the bike just has to 
ride better.

On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 9:32:11 AM UTC-6 Ray Evans wrote:

> I think you and that glorious bike need to go into a Witness Protection 
> Program now.
>
> On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 9:08 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> That bike with all its glorious teal and rose and Brooks and bags is - 
>> and there is no higher compliment from me - CRAZY. As the kids would say, 
>> it's ridiculous! Excellent work all around from Leah the parts/paint 
>> picker, Analog Cycles for the parts/ano, and the pro shop that put it all 
>> together. And Grant/Riv for the bike! 👏👏👏🏆🏆🏆
>>
>> Joe "I have a custom and I'm still jealous of Leah's bike" Bernard
>>
>> On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 7:53:12 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> (This message should have preceded my photos, but it was too large and 
>>> was not sent. Since the file is too large, you can see it on Instagram or 
>>> the Facebook groups if you like.)
>>>
>>> Well, while we wait for the ship to be unloaded (MONDAY! 🥳), I made a 
>>> video of my Platy because...IT’S FINALLY COMPLETE. I was waiting on a bunch 
>>> of rose anodized parts and a Randi Jo bag in custom colors and all of those 
>>> things arrived on Thursday and I whisked the whole getup to the bike shop 
>>> for assembly. Here’s a video that may not show up. So after that, I’ll send 
>>> pics.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Mar 4, 2021, at 4:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> "For what's it worth I had a dream last night that I went to Rivendell 
>>> and the Platypus frames all showed up defective.  They tried to sell me a 
>>> fat-tired folding E-bike.  Terrifying stuff."
>>>
>>> The way this would work in real like (cuz I'm the ebike liker around 
>>> here) is I would be in the parking lot selling that e-folder out of my 
>>> trunk and Grant would be chasing me off the premises 🤣
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 11:15:03 AM UTC-8 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>>
 Mike M:  Just turn on closed captions for English-ish translation. 

 For what's it worth I had a dream last night that I went to Rivendell 
 and the Platypus frames all showed up defective.  They tried to sell me a 
 fat-tired folding E-bike.  Terrifying stuff. 



 On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 12:23:18 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:

> Bluelug just posted a Platypus build video.
> I wish I understood Japanese!
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga8o1WKWgXs&t=537s
>
> Mike M
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[RichS]

Leah,

That is one breathtaking bicycle. My compliments!

You may have addressed this in an earlier post but what front derailer is 
on there? Thank you!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 10:32:11 AM UTC-5 Ray Evans wrote:

> I think you and that glorious bike need to go into a Witness Protection 
> Program now.
>
> On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 9:08 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> That bike with all its glorious teal and rose and Brooks and bags is - 
>> and there is no higher compliment from me - CRAZY. As the kids would say, 
>> it's ridiculous! Excellent work all around from Leah the parts/paint 
>> picker, Analog Cycles for the parts/ano, and the pro shop that put it all 
>> together. And Grant/Riv for the bike! 👏👏👏🏆🏆🏆
>>
>> Joe "I have a custom and I'm still jealous of Leah's bike" Bernard
>>
>> On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 7:53:12 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> (This message should have preceded my photos, but it was too large and 
>>> was not sent. Since the file is too large, you can see it on Instagram or 
>>> the Facebook groups if you like.)
>>>
>>> Well, while we wait for the ship to be unloaded (MONDAY! 🥳), I made a 
>>> video of my Platy because...IT’S FINALLY COMPLETE. I was waiting on a bunch 
>>> of rose anodized parts and a Randi Jo bag in custom colors and all of those 
>>> things arrived on Thursday and I whisked the whole getup to the bike shop 
>>> for assembly. Here’s a video that may not show up. So after that, I’ll send 
>>> pics.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Mar 4, 2021, at 4:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> "For what's it worth I had a dream last night that I went to Rivendell 
>>> and the Platypus frames all showed up defective.  They tried to sell me a 
>>> fat-tired folding E-bike.  Terrifying stuff."
>>>
>>> The way this would work in real like (cuz I'm the ebike liker around 
>>> here) is I would be in the parking lot selling that e-folder out of my 
>>> trunk and Grant would be chasing me off the premises 🤣
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 11:15:03 AM UTC-8 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>>
 Mike M:  Just turn on closed captions for English-ish translation. 

 For what's it worth I had a dream last night that I went to Rivendell 
 and the Platypus frames all showed up defective.  They tried to sell me a 
 fat-tired folding E-bike.  Terrifying stuff. 



 On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 12:23:18 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:

> Bluelug just posted a Platypus build video.
> I wish I understood Japanese!
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga8o1WKWgXs&t=537s
>
> Mike M
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[RBW] Re: Salt Lake City Cycling Question

[Robert Hakim]

I'll echo the others- I only find goatheads a real issue in the central and 
western parts of the valley, particularly along the Jordan River Trail 
corridor. Most of the cycling on Wasatch Blvd and up into the canyons you 
won't have much of an issue with them, thought they do appear occasionally. 
I never found any near Park City. Good luck with the move! 

On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 9:11:24 AM UTC-5 Glen wrote:

> The only area I am aware of that goat heads are an issue is one section of 
> the main north/south multi purpose trail (Jordan River Trail) and SLCo has 
> an active eradication program. The trail is usually very clear of them but 
> the shoulders can trap them in the cinders/gravel. Your current tires will 
> be perfect for most of your riding here. 
>
> Feel free to DM if you have any questions you'd like to ask a fellow 
> mid-atlantic transplant.
>
> On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 7:43:51 AM UTC-7 Brady Smith wrote:
>
>> Looks like the family and I are relocating to Salt Lake City. Question 
>> for fellow Utah listers: How big of a problem are goat heads? I was on the 
>> verge of ordering a new dynamo wheel a few months ago but held off in case 
>> going fully tubeless winds up making more sense. In New Jersey, where we 
>> have glass but not thorns, I've been running Rene Herse tires in 700x44 
>> with tubes and had no flat issues. I gather that this setup is not going to 
>> serve me especially well out west. Do I put sealant in my tubes? Go fully 
>> tubeless? Or would something like the Soma Shikoro be enough as long as I'm 
>> riding mostly road/gravel?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Brady in NJ/soon to be Utah
>>
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[RBW] What is the seller's safety with PayPal and other payments.

[Roberta]

Riv content:  I'll be listing a Riv soon.  Lots of us sell bikes.

What is the seller's safety in getting paid with a cashiers check, PayPal, 
Zelle, cash, other options?  I''ll be listing my complete bike here and on 
CL, so likely I'll be selling to a stranger.  I'd want to protect myself 
again someone taking my bike and then, somehow, I wouldn't get the funds.

When I bought a bike from a list member, we met in person, I paid him with 
PayPal, he accepted the money and then I took the bike.

Roberta

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[RBW] Re: What is the seller's safety with PayPal and other payments.

[Joe Bernard]

Hi Roberta! 

I don't know anything about seller protection stuff so I'll let others 
chime in on that, but the way I've always done it over 20 years here and on 
the BOB is the buyer pays for the bike then I ship. I've always bought 
stuff this way, too, which can be a little nerve-wracking for the buyer but 
this is a small group of folks who've built a lot of trust over the years. 
I wouldn't do that on Craigslist as the buyer, but if someone there wants 
give you the money to ship just tell them the dollars have to be securely 
in your account and cleared first. 

The easiest for me is PayPal, the money shows up in my account right away 
and that baby is in a box and out the door! 

Joe Bernard

On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 10:40:48 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> Riv content:  I'll be listing a Riv soon.  Lots of us sell bikes.
>
> What is the seller's safety in getting paid with a cashiers check, PayPal, 
> Zelle, cash, other options?  I''ll be listing my complete bike here and on 
> CL, so likely I'll be selling to a stranger.  I'd want to protect myself 
> again someone taking my bike and then, somehow, I wouldn't get the funds.
>
> When I bought a bike from a list member, we met in person, I paid him with 
> PayPal, he accepted the money and then I took the bike.
>
> Roberta
>

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Re: [RBW] What is the seller's safety with PayPal and other payments.

[Eric Daume]

PayPal has two modes, Friends & Family and Goods and Services. G&S charges
a fee to the seller, I think 3%, but offers some protection for both
parties. F&F doesn’t offer any protection. I’ve heard of cases where the
buyer paid in F&F and then retracted the payment after they got the part.

Eric

On Monday, March 8, 2021, Roberta  wrote:

> Riv content:  I'll be listing a Riv soon.  Lots of us sell bikes.
>
> What is the seller's safety in getting paid with a cashiers check, PayPal,
> Zelle, cash, other options?  I''ll be listing my complete bike here and on
> CL, so likely I'll be selling to a stranger.  I'd want to protect myself
> again someone taking my bike and then, somehow, I wouldn't get the funds.
>
> When I bought a bike from a list member, we met in person, I paid him with
> PayPal, he accepted the money and then I took the bike.
>
> Roberta
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Re: [RBW] What is the seller's safety with PayPal and other payments.

[Joe Bernard]

Make sure you pull your payment from PayPal into your bank account right 
away. 



On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 11:29:26 AM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:

> PayPal has two modes, Friends & Family and Goods and Services. G&S charges 
> a fee to the seller, I think 3%, but offers some protection for both 
> parties. F&F doesn’t offer any protection. I’ve heard of cases where the 
> buyer paid in F&F and then retracted the payment after they got the part. 
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Monday, March 8, 2021, Roberta  wrote:
>
>> Riv content:  I'll be listing a Riv soon.  Lots of us sell bikes.
>>
>> What is the seller's safety in getting paid with a cashiers check, 
>> PayPal, Zelle, cash, other options?  I''ll be listing my complete bike here 
>> and on CL, so likely I'll be selling to a stranger.  I'd want to protect 
>> myself again someone taking my bike and then, somehow, I wouldn't get the 
>> funds.
>>
>> When I bought a bike from a list member, we met in person, I paid him 
>> with PayPal, he accepted the money and then I took the bike.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Thanks, all! I am so glad you see what I was trying for. This bike and I 
are tightly bonded. I never look at it without smiling. Ever. 

But it will be old news soon, because there will be a pile o’ new Platys 
for us to admire!

Rich asked: The front derailleur is Shimano Deore. 

On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 8:00:27 AM UTC-8 RichS wrote:

> Leah,
>
> That is one breathtaking bicycle. My compliments!
>
> You may have addressed this in an earlier post but what front derailer is 
> on there? Thank you!
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 10:32:11 AM UTC-5 Ray Evans wrote:
>
>> I think you and that glorious bike need to go into a Witness Protection 
>> Program now.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 9:08 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> That bike with all its glorious teal and rose and Brooks and bags is - 
>>> and there is no higher compliment from me - CRAZY. As the kids would say, 
>>> it's ridiculous! Excellent work all around from Leah the parts/paint 
>>> picker, Analog Cycles for the parts/ano, and the pro shop that put it all 
>>> together. And Grant/Riv for the bike! 👏👏👏🏆🏆🏆
>>>
>>> Joe "I have a custom and I'm still jealous of Leah's bike" Bernard
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 7:53:12 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 (This message should have preceded my photos, but it was too large and 
 was not sent. Since the file is too large, you can see it on Instagram or 
 the Facebook groups if you like.)

 Well, while we wait for the ship to be unloaded (MONDAY! 🥳), I made a 
 video of my Platy because...IT’S FINALLY COMPLETE. I was waiting on a 
 bunch 
 of rose anodized parts and a Randi Jo bag in custom colors and all of 
 those 
 things arrived on Thursday and I whisked the whole getup to the bike shop 
 for assembly. Here’s a video that may not show up. So after that, I’ll 
 send 
 pics.


 Sent from my iPad

 On Mar 4, 2021, at 4:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 

 "For what's it worth I had a dream last night that I went to Rivendell 
 and the Platypus frames all showed up defective.  They tried to sell me a 
 fat-tired folding E-bike.  Terrifying stuff."

 The way this would work in real like (cuz I'm the ebike liker around 
 here) is I would be in the parking lot selling that e-folder out of my 
 trunk and Grant would be chasing me off the premises 🤣

 On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 11:15:03 AM UTC-8 Tom Wyland wrote:

> Mike M:  Just turn on closed captions for English-ish translation. 
>
> For what's it worth I had a dream last night that I went to Rivendell 
> and the Platypus frames all showed up defective.  They tried to sell me a 
> fat-tired folding E-bike.  Terrifying stuff. 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 12:23:18 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
>
>> Bluelug just posted a Platypus build video.
>> I wish I understood Japanese!
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga8o1WKWgXs&t=537s
>>
>> Mike M
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[RBW] Re: What is the seller's safety with PayPal and other payments.

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Roberta,
Cash is best. I've done transactions with RBW listers (who are "known 
listers") via check.

I was under the impression that PayPal G&S is more favorable to the buyer 
than seller-- but I haven't looked at it recently. Also, note that PayPal 
submits tax forms if your sales exceed a certain amount. As it's the sale 
of a used item, it does qualify for IRS exemptions, but documentation could 
be a pain. 

Good luck!
shoji
Arlington MA

On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 1:40:48 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Riv content:  I'll be listing a Riv soon.  Lots of us sell bikes.
>
> What is the seller's safety in getting paid with a cashiers check, PayPal, 
> Zelle, cash, other options?  I''ll be listing my complete bike here and on 
> CL, so likely I'll be selling to a stranger.  I'd want to protect myself 
> again someone taking my bike and then, somehow, I wouldn't get the funds.
>
> When I bought a bike from a list member, we met in person, I paid him with 
> PayPal, he accepted the money and then I took the bike.
>
> Roberta
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Re: [RBW] What is the seller's safety with PayPal and other payments.

[Dave S]

I've been selling a lot of things online during the pandemic and the seller 
protections are very minimal across the board.  It seems like most of the 
payment services treat individuals like businesses who just have to accept 
some amount of loss due to damage, theft, etc.  I've had: 

   - issues with buyers claiming something didnt work, return it (my 
   shipping cost both ways) only to find it works perfectly upon its return.  
   - freight damage from fedex ground (purchased through shipbikes) that 
   resulted in weeks of runaround with claims.  Fedex actually picked the bike 
   up, brought it back to their facility and weighed it, verified it was 
   "light" and then returned it to me.  All the seller wanted was a credit for 
   missing parts that fell out of the box when it was destroyed.  He ended up 
   saying "forget it" and I gave a full refund.
   - Right now I'm dealing with a chainring that went missing (USPS) after 
   shipment.  USPS told us to wait because things are backed up. Now we're 
   past the USPS claim window, but not past the Paypal claim window.  Not sure 
   how this ends.

None of these seem to be malicious but all the payment systems definitely 
favor the buyer and most all of the risk is on the seller.

On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 2:29:26 PM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:

> PayPal has two modes, Friends & Family and Goods and Services. G&S charges 
> a fee to the seller, I think 3%, but offers some protection for both 
> parties. F&F doesn’t offer any protection. I’ve heard of cases where the 
> buyer paid in F&F and then retracted the payment after they got the part. 
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Monday, March 8, 2021, Roberta  wrote:
>
>> Riv content:  I'll be listing a Riv soon.  Lots of us sell bikes.
>>
>> What is the seller's safety in getting paid with a cashiers check, 
>> PayPal, Zelle, cash, other options?  I''ll be listing my complete bike here 
>> and on CL, so likely I'll be selling to a stranger.  I'd want to protect 
>> myself again someone taking my bike and then, somehow, I wouldn't get the 
>> funds.
>>
>> When I bought a bike from a list member, we met in person, I paid him 
>> with PayPal, he accepted the money and then I took the bike.
>>
>> Roberta
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Re: [RBW] What is the seller's safety with PayPal and other payments.

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Roberta:

I’ve never had a problem buying or selling using PayPal. I would never, ever 
take a check of any kind, cashiers or otherwise. 

Craigslist offers advice on how to avoid being scammed: 
https://www.craigslist.org/about/scams  

Among their recommendations: “Don’t accept cashier/certified checks or money 
orders"

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> On Mar 8, 2021, at 10:40 AM, Roberta  wrote:
> 
> Riv content:  I'll be listing a Riv soon.  Lots of us sell bikes.
> 
> What is the seller's safety in getting paid with a cashiers check, PayPal, 
> Zelle, cash, other options?  I''ll be listing my complete bike here and on 
> CL, so likely I'll be selling to a stranger.  I'd want to protect myself 
> again someone taking my bike and then, somehow, I wouldn't get the funds.
> 
> When I bought a bike from a list member, we met in person, I paid him with 
> PayPal, he accepted the money and then I took the bike.
> 
> Roberta
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[RBW] Re: What is the seller's safety with PayPal and other payments.

[David Person]

The lead article in latest issue of Adventure Cycling magazine is about 
buying a used bike.  There is a section on "How to Pay".  Several methods 
are mentions.  The section on PayPal mentions that as a seller you can send 
the buyer an invoice on PayPal, which adds add'l safeguard (I suppose in 
the form of documentation should a dispute arise).  Purchase Protection is 
automatically included when Goods & Services is used (3.7% fee charged to 
seller). 

On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 11:47:54 AM UTC-8 Shoji Takahashi wrote:

> Hi Roberta,
> Cash is best. I've done transactions with RBW listers (who are "known 
> listers") via check.
>
> I was under the impression that PayPal G&S is more favorable to the buyer 
> than seller-- but I haven't looked at it recently. Also, note that PayPal 
> submits tax forms if your sales exceed a certain amount. As it's the sale 
> of a used item, it does qualify for IRS exemptions, but documentation could 
> be a pain. 
>
> Good luck!
> shoji
> Arlington MA
>
> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 1:40:48 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Riv content:  I'll be listing a Riv soon.  Lots of us sell bikes.
>>
>> What is the seller's safety in getting paid with a cashiers check, 
>> PayPal, Zelle, cash, other options?  I''ll be listing my complete bike here 
>> and on CL, so likely I'll be selling to a stranger.  I'd want to protect 
>> myself again someone taking my bike and then, somehow, I wouldn't get the 
>> funds.
>>
>> When I bought a bike from a list member, we met in person, I paid him 
>> with PayPal, he accepted the money and then I took the bike.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
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Re: [RBW] Let's see your shop and workbench

[George Schick]

Matthew, I like your doggie.  What's he/she's name and what the breed?

Eric...hmmm, seems like I recall that restored Cinelli  being up for sale a 
while back.  Didn't sell or am I thinking of a different bike?


On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 12:07:44 PM UTC-6 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> Not really where the bikes get worked on, but thought the group might be 
> interested in my Bike Room/Office. 
>
> This room reflects an agreement with my wife that I can have as many bikes 
> as will fit in here. Up to eight so far:
>
> Top row, L-R: 2002 Richard Sachs custom; 1997 Riv Road Standard, converted 
> to 650B (with my 2011 PBP number plate, although this bike didn’t go there 
> that year—it did go in 2007 with its former owner); 1972 Cinelli Speciali 
> Corsa
> Bottom row, L-R: Original edition Quickbeam, currently in 3-speed mode 
> (aka the Quickbeam That Conquered PBP); 1983 Alex Singer randonneuse; 
> 2000-something Soma Saga (my “adventure bike”) and 1976 Centurion Pro Tour.
> Far right: 2005 Alex Singer randonneuse
>
> All of these bikes is ready at a moment’s notice to have the tires topped 
> off and be out for a ride. Some get more use than others, but they mostly 
> all get out on the road on a semi-regular basis.
>
> Also visible is my home office setup, which of course has seen a lot of 
> use over the past year. If you look closely, you can spot a green backdrop 
> that extends behind my chair to create a green screen for Zoom video calls, 
> and a “ring light” that I bought to try to make myself look better on 
> camera.
>
> Under my desk chair, for all you Portland, OR, fans, is an original piece 
> of the famous “PDX Carpet” that was removed from the airport a few years 
> ago when they recarpeted. A local carpet store bought the remnants and sold 
> them as area rugs.
>
>
>
> --Eric Norris
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[RBW] Re: What is the seller's safety with PayPal and other payments.

[Minh]

most everyone has it covered, paypal generally covers the buyer more than 
the seller, if you are selling remotely its really your only option so a 
little bit of due dilligence is warranted, like someone thats active in the 
list etc.  

when i sold my stable a few months ago (5 bikes in a month), it was in 
person, so i accepted pretty much anything, usually Venmo or Zelle--Venmo 
there is a little bit of risk for chargebacks, Zelle i'm told cannot be 
taken back.  either form once its in you app you are fine.  and ofc you 
still have option of cash!   i would not accept any form of check unless 
you do it at the PAYERS bank and they cash it on the spot--but in that case 
why cant they pull it out in cash!



On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 1:40:48 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Riv content:  I'll be listing a Riv soon.  Lots of us sell bikes.
>
> What is the seller's safety in getting paid with a cashiers check, PayPal, 
> Zelle, cash, other options?  I''ll be listing my complete bike here and on 
> CL, so likely I'll be selling to a stranger.  I'd want to protect myself 
> again someone taking my bike and then, somehow, I wouldn't get the funds.
>
> When I bought a bike from a list member, we met in person, I paid him with 
> PayPal, he accepted the money and then I took the bike.
>
> Roberta
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Re: [RBW] Let's see your shop and workbench

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That’s the same Cinelli. I was finally convinced that the bike was worth more 
to me than it would be to someone else, and that I should just ride it. Which I 
do.

--Eric Norris
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> On Mar 8, 2021, at 12:08 PM, George Schick  wrote:
> 
> Matthew, I like your doggie.  What's he/she's name and what the breed?
> 
> Eric...hmmm, seems like I recall that restored Cinelli  being up for sale a 
> while back.  Didn't sell or am I thinking of a different bike?
> 
> 
> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 12:07:44 PM UTC-6 campyo...@me.com wrote:
> Not really where the bikes get worked on, but thought the group might be 
> interested in my Bike Room/Office. 
> 
> This room reflects an agreement with my wife that I can have as many bikes as 
> will fit in here. Up to eight so far:
> 
> Top row, L-R: 2002 Richard Sachs custom; 1997 Riv Road Standard, converted to 
> 650B (with my 2011 PBP number plate, although this bike didn’t go there that 
> year—it did go in 2007 with its former owner); 1972 Cinelli Speciali Corsa
> Bottom row, L-R: Original edition Quickbeam, currently in 3-speed mode (aka 
> the Quickbeam That Conquered PBP); 1983 Alex Singer randonneuse; 
> 2000-something Soma Saga (my “adventure bike”) and 1976 Centurion Pro Tour.
> Far right: 2005 Alex Singer randonneuse
> 
> All of these bikes is ready at a moment’s notice to have the tires topped off 
> and be out for a ride. Some get more use than others, but they mostly all get 
> out on the road on a semi-regular basis.
> 
> Also visible is my home office setup, which of course has seen a lot of use 
> over the past year. If you look closely, you can spot a green backdrop that 
> extends behind my chair to create a green screen for Zoom video calls, and a 
> “ring light” that I bought to try to make myself look better on camera.
> 
> Under my desk chair, for all you Portland, OR, fans, is an original piece of 
> the famous “PDX Carpet” that was removed from the airport a few years ago 
> when they recarpeted. A local carpet store bought the remnants and sold them 
> as area rugs.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --Eric Norris
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Re: [RBW] What is the seller's safety with PayPal and other payments.

[Hugh Smitham]

Eric,

I know somewhere in the back of my mind this has been a concern but this is 
a possibility with F&F. Thanks for making this point.

Hugh 

On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 11:29:26 AM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:

> PayPal has two modes, Friends & Family and Goods and Services. G&S charges 
> a fee to the seller, I think 3%, but offers some protection for both 
> parties. F&F doesn’t offer any protection. I’ve heard of cases where the 
> buyer paid in F&F and then retracted the payment after they got the part. 
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Monday, March 8, 2021, Roberta  wrote:
>
>> Riv content:  I'll be listing a Riv soon.  Lots of us sell bikes.
>>
>> What is the seller's safety in getting paid with a cashiers check, 
>> PayPal, Zelle, cash, other options?  I''ll be listing my complete bike here 
>> and on CL, so likely I'll be selling to a stranger.  I'd want to protect 
>> myself again someone taking my bike and then, somehow, I wouldn't get the 
>> funds.
>>
>> When I bought a bike from a list member, we met in person, I paid him 
>> with PayPal, he accepted the money and then I took the bike.
>>
>> Roberta
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[RBW] WTT: 63cm Canti-Rom for 60cm Hillborne (original green one)

[Dan Sullivan]

Not sure the moderator(s) will let this through; most of my infrequent 
posts are on the iBOB list. But if they do here's the deal: I am tall with 
pretty short legs (I broke Trek's "what size frame should I get" app when I 
entered my dimensions) and I've always wanted a bike in the 60-62 seat tube 
range with a longer-than-60-cm top tube, which seems to be the limit for 
nearly all production frames.  One of the exceptions was the first 
Hillborne run, which had a 61cm effective TT.  I had a line on one last 
year that never panned out, meantime I got the Rom, which is a great bike 
and I will ride it happily but I'm using a long-setback post and a 
ridiculously long stem and it still feels a little short for me (it has a 
59.5 TT).

So if you have a green Hillborne from the first run and wanna trade for a 
slightly sprightlier bike that is equally rare, let's talk.

Dan, where the snow is almost gone in southern WI  

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[RBW] Re: Riv-ersed Shift Levers Install

[Scott Marriott]

I have the (formerly front) Microshift shifter reversed on my MB-1. The 
problem I've run into is that it doesn't quite clear the grip perfectly 
(I'm using the Rustine's rubber grips because I'm quite vain.)  The is a 
small window where the rubber from the grip and the rubber from the shifter 
rub.  I probably need to move the shifter, but there's really no more 
forward space on the handlebars. (The older VO Porteur version.)

Still the complete friction shifting is pretty easy to figure out. 

S

Scott M
Chicago (Hyde Park)
On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 8:18:15 AM UTC-6 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY) 
wrote:

> Depending on what brake levers you have, you may not have to reverse them, 
> too. My Paul and Shimano short pull levers don't jut out but my Sunrace 
> linear pulls do so they kinda get in the way with the Riv-erse shifter set 
> up. However I was able to scooch the shifters up the bar enough to clear 
> the jut. 
>
> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 8:29:57 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have the same shifters on my Atlantis set up "Riv-ersed" by Rivendell 
>> and I freaking love it.
>>
>> One thing I'd add...there's nothing in the rule book that says you can't 
>> shift your rear derailer with you left hand. If you wanted to use the 
>> indexing function of your current right shifter, you absolutely can. I 
>> bought a single Sunrace right shifter to Riv-up a non-Riv last summer and 
>> realized after I received it that I had to put it on the left side to get 
>> it "inboard" style. The bike was a 1x so it was not an issue...I had a new 
>> shifter cable ready to go, ran it from the left side, and never had a 
>> problem with it. 
>>
>> In fact...I ALMOST asked Riv to run the left shifter to the rear derailer 
>> and right to front when I ordered it, but I didn't want to seem like a 
>> weirdo. :) 
>>
>> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 1:17:10 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> No mods needed with these, you just lose the index option on the 
>>> formerly-right-rear shifter that's now your left front. The nifty thing 
>>> about this setup is the normally-left-front has a nice ratcheting action 
>>> like Silvers, which is great for rear shifting. Don't forget to swap the 
>>> brake levers, too, so the jutting-out part is still opposite of the 
>>> shifters. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 10:53:38 PM UTC-8 christian poppell wrote:
>>>
 Hi Gang,

 I've got the Microshift 9speed thumb shifters on Albatross bars 
 installed the normal way (outside, top). I'm looking for info on setting 
 them up on the inside like this:
  
 http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2016/06/brifter-bliss-for-swept-back-handlebars.html
  
 

 Is it just a matter of moving the left to the right and vise versa? I 
 recall some modification needing to be done to the Sunrace shift body, is 
 it the same with the Microshift?

 These are the levers I've got: 
 https://www.rivbike.com/products/microshift-thumb-shifters-9-speed-sl-t09

 Thanks in advance!
 Christian
 Berkeley, CA

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[RBW] Re: Convert to Tubeless?

[Justin Drake]

I have done tubeless setups with and without tubeless ready rims and tires. 
Tubeless ready stuff is much easier, but it can be done without if 
pressures are low enough. Think large MTB tires. I rad tubeless on supple 
tires for a while a several bikes but found ride quality was wonderful. 
Very little issues with flats until the tire got a giant gash in the middle 
of the tread and took lots of little pieces of torn fabric to seal. I also 
found it was more work as sealant dried out and tubeless tires leaked more 
than tubes.  So I have gone back to tubes on everything but my MTB. On 
supple tires I have found a little sealant in the tubes goes a long way in 
protecting against run of the mill tiny punctures. YMMV. 

On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 11:01:37 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:

> I'd say so-called tubeless-compatible tyres aren't necessary unless you 
> need to buy new tyres. For several years now I've been running Hutchinson 
> Confrérie des 650B tyres tubeless on one bike (Velocity A23 rims) and Grand 
> Bois Lierre tubeless on another (MCFK i25 hookless rims), and although 
> neither model of tyre is rated as tubeless, I've had zero problems.
>
> Nick
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[RBW] Intro from Pittsburgh

[joshuamarx]

Hello!
I've been spending time on this group for years, for inspiration and 
information, and for general entertainment. It's high time I join the group 
properly so I can contribute every once in a while.

I'm a proud owner of a 60cm 1st gen (I think) Cheviot, and a 59 cm MIT 
Atlantis--one of the demo completes that Riv sold a while back. Links to 
pictures are below (crossing my fingers that they come through properly). 

Pre-COVID, 99% of my riding was commuting (downtown Pittsburgh) and errand 
running. The non-commuting of COVID has really cut into my bike time--I may 
need to figure out how to work recreational rides into my life this spring!
Best,
Josh
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N8pdNanpBNGSY7fOQjHTdaXfIaXPgwP7/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eghSVYdTjSB2zc3nzY9X8cz8dgQvIbLl/view?usp=sharing





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[RBW] Re: Let's see your shop and workbench

[Justin Drake]

Wow - Lots of room, Nick. Is the black road bike in the back strung up with 
rope? 

On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 6:50:03 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:

> This is mine in its usual somewhat chaotic state:
>
> [image: PXL_20210308_023835762 - Copy.jpg]
>
> Nick
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[RBW] Re: In search of brass ferrules

[neal...@gmail.com]

Analog has them listed, but they're out of stock. You might try contacting 
the owner, James and see what their restock timeline is. He posts on here 
or the iBob group sometimes.
https://analogcycles.com/product/brass-ferrules/

On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 2:38:37 PM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Can someone tell me where I can find 4mm brass ferrules in stock? I have a 
> bottle of 5mm ferrules from Wheels Mfg, can't find anyone stocking the 4mm. 
>
> Thanks! 
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[RBW] Re: Shoe recs for platforms

[Joe M.]

I prefer Altra Lone Peaks for when I'm going on dirt and Vans slip ons for 
pavement riding. Both these shoes feel good on my MKS Monarch/Gamma pedals.

On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 5:36:32 PM UTC-8 David Person wrote:

> +1 on the Five Ten Freeriders.  Grippy and long lasting soles.  Pedal pins 
> don't tear them up.
>
> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 2:15:19 AM UTC-8 Ed Carolipio wrote:
>
>> I prefer Five Ten Freeriders for biking - all my bikes have flats - with 
>> the suede/mesh uppers and the rigid + grippy stealth rubber soles. MSRP is 
>> $100 but can be had for as low as $60 when they go on sale. My experience 
>> with Freeriders is they break in well and can take a beating. For a change 
>> of pace, I also wear low cut Vans with waffle soles, laces, and 
>> suede/canvas uppers (Berle Pro, BMX, Old Skool).
>>
>> --Ed C.
>> On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 6:17:22 PM UTC-8 Adam wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I've seen a few old threads on this topic, but am curious what shoes 
>>> people like for their platforms? I'm using the newish grip monarchs.
>>>
>>> I've been riding in an old pair of running shoes for a number of years, 
>>> but the holes are getting out of hand and it's time for them to retire. I 
>>> tried a pair of fairly rigid spd shoes that I had sitting around from a few 
>>> years ago (without the cleats) and while I like the rigidity, the grip 
>>> doesn't hold up when they're wet.
>>>
>>> I'm finding that I like the additional stiffness. Trying the mushy 
>>> running shoes again, they feel pretty bad. I'm not sure how they didn't 
>>> bother me all those years.
>>>
>>> So what's grippy (esp when wet), not too hot, decent in the rain, and 
>>> reasonably stiff?(doesn't have to be cycling specific)
>>>
>>> Thanks for your thoughts!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Salt Lake City Cycling Question

[Mark Anderson]

Brady,

First off, welcome to the neighborhood. I hope you and yours will like 
living here.

I suppose my experience since moving here a couple years ago is similar to 
that of Jay, Glen and Robert in that I rarely have trouble with goatheads 
in the Wasatch bench/front/up-on-the-hill areas and mostly encounter them 
down in the valley especially through the corridor along Jordan River Trail 
and connecting trails like the Denver & Rio Grande Western Trail going 
north towards Ogden.  However, I would note that most of Salt Lake City, 
its metro area and associated business/government/cultural services (e.g., 
breweries, bowling alleys, the Bicycle Collective, most but not all of the 
better Asian takeout food) are in the very same valley where all the 
goatheads lie.  That is also where I live and do much of my riding and I 
get lots of goat head punctures.

Regarding armored tires, my partner's 'round-town bike has Schwalbe 
Marathon green guard (MGG) tires and hasn't had any flats, but it also 
hasn't been ridden a heck of a lot. The MGGs are heavy, stiff and basically 
just so damn thick along the tread that thorns can't reach all the way 
through to the tube. My trike came with Schwalbe Marathon Racers which have 
a nylon fabric belt under the tread.  Thorns go through the belt pretty 
regularly, and the local thorns are long enough to get picked up in the 
sidewalls above the narrow belt.  A Shikoro might fare better, but I recall 
various kevlar tires getting punctured by thorns in my distant youth in 
northern California as well.  

My solution on the trike has been to use lightweight tires (Tioga 
Powerblock/Powerband S-Spec and Compass in ca. 40mm widths)  with inner 
tubes containing Orange Seal---a solution cribbed from Patrick Moore's 
posts on this list and on iBOB (thank you Patrick!).  With this setup I 
occasionally have a puncture which noticeably leaks sealant for several 
minutes and requires a few stops to add air as it leaks slowly before 
finally sealing.  In the past year (9 mo. riding, about 4500 mi. on the 
odometer) there have been two or three times when I had a puncture that 
wouldn't seal enough while riding and I had to change tubes.  Inspecting 
the tires and tubes at those times shows that dozens of punctures went 
unnoticed in that same period.  Unfortunately that meant having to put a 
new tube into a tire the still had a score or so of thorns still sticking 
through it, which is about as much fun as it sounds.  A few times I have 
gone out to the shed and found that a tire has gone flat overnight with all 
the sealant having leaked out between tube and tire through some hole 
making a big old mess.

I have not tried a tubeless setup yet.  Maybe after my current tires wear 
out, though I don't know that any of my current rims are 
tubeless-compatible.  My suspicion is that at least some of the poor 
sealing with tubes is due to the hole is the tube becoming misaligned with 
the hole in the tire, preventing the sealant from spitting out nicely and 
drying to form a plug.  Also, I find that some of the seals or plugs in the 
tube can be pulled open upon removing the tube from the tire or even just 
on fully deflating a tire so that the tube pulls away from the casing.  I 
imagine a tubeless setup could fix both of those problems. 

I have observed that most of the thorns I pull out of my tires, at least 
away from the very center, are stuck in grooves/holes/corners of the tread 
pattern as though the thorn tip was sliding away until grabbed by the shape 
of the tread.  Thus I suspect that slick tires may fare better w.r.t. 
thorns.

In short, goatheads can be a real scourge around here if you like to 
explore the low-lying (4500--5000 ft.) areas, but sealant in tubes can 
largely solve the problem. In addition, I think that using full-sized tubes 
(i.e., ones that need not stretch much to fill the tire) improves things 
further by helping to keep the tube and tire holes aligned, and that slick 
tread (e.g., as on your current tires) will help even more by avoiding some 
punctures in the first place.

Mark in Salt Lake City, Utah

On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 10:03:52 AM UTC-7 Robert Hakim wrote:

> I'll echo the others- I only find goatheads a real issue in the central 
> and western parts of the valley, particularly along the Jordan River Trail 
> corridor. Most of the cycling on Wasatch Blvd and up into the canyons you 
> won't have much of an issue with them, thought they do appear occasionally. 
> I never found any near Park City. Good luck with the move! 
>
> On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 9:11:24 AM UTC-5 Glen wrote:
>
>> The only area I am aware of that goat heads are an issue is one section 
>> of the main north/south multi purpose trail (Jordan River Trail) and SLCo 
>> has an active eradication program. The trail is usually very clear of them 
>> but the shoulders can trap them in the cinders/gravel. Your current tires 
>> will be perfect for most of your riding here

[RBW] Re: What is the seller's safety with PayPal and other payments.

['Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Roberta, I’m not sure if paypal friends and family offers protection, it 
should be a non reversible transaction, you need to call .  Once payment is 
made on non friends and family paypal, I believe the buyer only has 1-2 
hours to reverse the charge, and they can always file a dispute.  You can 
call paypal for more info.  Take a lot of pictures, both before and during 
packing as well as keeping your listing with those photos.  A cashiers 
check you need to wait for it to clear prior to shipping.  Cash is good 
face to face but get a pen at staples to make sure the bills are legit.  

I’ve sold once on CL for cash, not an expensive bike.  If you use eBay the 
buyer can always try to file a dispute so care needs to be taken.  

Not sure this is helpful, I prefer to sell on list, sell a bit cheaper as 
you know most people ob these lists but that is not a guarantee.

I sold a complete Bleriot on eBay some years ago with no issues but every 
transaction can be different. 

Good luck

Joel



On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 1:40:48 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Riv content:  I'll be listing a Riv soon.  Lots of us sell bikes.
>
> What is the seller's safety in getting paid with a cashiers check, PayPal, 
> Zelle, cash, other options?  I''ll be listing my complete bike here and on 
> CL, so likely I'll be selling to a stranger.  I'd want to protect myself 
> again someone taking my bike and then, somehow, I wouldn't get the funds.
>
> When I bought a bike from a list member, we met in person, I paid him with 
> PayPal, he accepted the money and then I took the bike.
>
> Roberta
>

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[RBW] Re: What is the seller's safety with PayPal and other payments.

[Joe M.]

With PayPal, if they pay you as “friends and family,” you receive the full 
payment amount with no fees taken out. They are offered no protection by 
PayPal and they must trust that you will be sending them the bike. If they 
choose “goods and services” when paying, you pay a fee but PayPal may offer 
them money back if you don’t ship the bike. 

As far as sellers protection goes, I never ship until the money is in my 
account. I do not accept personal checks or cashiers checks. No checks of 
any kind. These days everyone has Venmo, PayPal or Zelle. If they don’t, I 
don’t sell to them. 

And of course, cash is king. I only meet people in high traffic public 
places like Starbucks or bank parking lots. 

I can easily get a sense of someone’s legitimacy by talking with them. If I 
have a bad feeling about someone or a transaction then I abort. 

And if someone messages you on Craigslist asking for your phone number, 
NEVER give it to them. They can use it to steal your identity. 
When it comes time to meet with someone I ask for their number and I use a 
Google voice number to communicate with them. 
On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 10:40:48 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> Riv content:  I'll be listing a Riv soon.  Lots of us sell bikes.
>
> What is the seller's safety in getting paid with a cashiers check, PayPal, 
> Zelle, cash, other options?  I''ll be listing my complete bike here and on 
> CL, so likely I'll be selling to a stranger.  I'd want to protect myself 
> again someone taking my bike and then, somehow, I wouldn't get the funds.
>
> When I bought a bike from a list member, we met in person, I paid him with 
> PayPal, he accepted the money and then I took the bike.
>
> Roberta
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv-ersed Shift Levers Install

[EricP]

Did similar on the Clem last year. Had a Paul Thumbie for the front and an 
extra Shimano bar end. Ended up having to buy a SunRace rear thumbie for 
the front. 

What I find amazing is we used to do this back in the day. Maybe early 
1990's? Some racers started doing this with the SunTour SC shifters. Then 
others realized the big Shimano XT also worked, but they weren't as good as 
the Dia Compe. FWIW, I remember being told once that this trend is what 
lead to the paddle shifter idea in the first place. Not sure if it's true 
(probably not). But it makes for a good story.

Did have my brake levers reversed at one point, but switched back quickly. 
Didn't like the feel that way. 

(FWIW, got my first outdoor ride today in the 55 degree weather.)

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 3:11:16 PM UTC-6 Scott Marriott wrote:

>
> I have the (formerly front) Microshift shifter reversed on my MB-1. The 
> problem I've run into is that it doesn't quite clear the grip perfectly 
> (I'm using the Rustine's rubber grips because I'm quite vain.)  The is a 
> small window where the rubber from the grip and the rubber from the shifter 
> rub.  I probably need to move the shifter, but there's really no more 
> forward space on the handlebars. (The older VO Porteur version.)
>
> Still the complete friction shifting is pretty easy to figure out. 
>
> S
>
> Scott M
> Chicago (Hyde Park)
> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 8:18:15 AM UTC-6 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY) 
> wrote:
>
>> Depending on what brake levers you have, you may not have to reverse 
>> them, too. My Paul and Shimano short pull levers don't jut out but my 
>> Sunrace linear pulls do so they kinda get in the way with the Riv-erse 
>> shifter set up. However I was able to scooch the shifters up the bar enough 
>> to clear the jut. 
>>
>> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 8:29:57 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I have the same shifters on my Atlantis set up "Riv-ersed" by Rivendell 
>>> and I freaking love it.
>>>
>>> One thing I'd add...there's nothing in the rule book that says you can't 
>>> shift your rear derailer with you left hand. If you wanted to use the 
>>> indexing function of your current right shifter, you absolutely can. I 
>>> bought a single Sunrace right shifter to Riv-up a non-Riv last summer and 
>>> realized after I received it that I had to put it on the left side to get 
>>> it "inboard" style. The bike was a 1x so it was not an issue...I had a new 
>>> shifter cable ready to go, ran it from the left side, and never had a 
>>> problem with it. 
>>>
>>> In fact...I ALMOST asked Riv to run the left shifter to the rear 
>>> derailer and right to front when I ordered it, but I didn't want to seem 
>>> like a weirdo. :) 
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 1:17:10 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 No mods needed with these, you just lose the index option on the 
 formerly-right-rear shifter that's now your left front. The nifty thing 
 about this setup is the normally-left-front has a nice ratcheting action 
 like Silvers, which is great for rear shifting. Don't forget to swap the 
 brake levers, too, so the jutting-out part is still opposite of the 
 shifters. 

 On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 10:53:38 PM UTC-8 christian poppell wrote:

> Hi Gang,
>
> I've got the Microshift 9speed thumb shifters on Albatross bars 
> installed the normal way (outside, top). I'm looking for info on setting 
> them up on the inside like this:
>  
> http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2016/06/brifter-bliss-for-swept-back-handlebars.html
>  
> 
>
> Is it just a matter of moving the left to the right and vise versa? I 
> recall some modification needing to be done to the Sunrace shift body, is 
> it the same with the Microshift?
>
> These are the levers I've got: 
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/microshift-thumb-shifters-9-speed-sl-t09
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Christian
> Berkeley, CA
>


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[RBW] Re: What is the seller's safety with PayPal and other payments.

[Philip Barrett]

Note that transferring the funds out of Paypal and into your bank account 
does not protect you from Paypal reacquiring those funds back from your 
account in a dispute. That's why they have you "link" your bank account 
rather than it just set up as a direct deposit.


On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 1:14:53 PM UTC-8 Joe M. wrote:

> With PayPal, if they pay you as “friends and family,” you receive the full 
> payment amount with no fees taken out. They are offered no protection by 
> PayPal and they must trust that you will be sending them the bike. If they 
> choose “goods and services” when paying, you pay a fee but PayPal may offer 
> them money back if you don’t ship the bike. 
>
> As far as sellers protection goes, I never ship until the money is in my 
> account. I do not accept personal checks or cashiers checks. No checks of 
> any kind. These days everyone has Venmo, PayPal or Zelle. If they don’t, I 
> don’t sell to them. 
>
> And of course, cash is king. I only meet people in high traffic public 
> places like Starbucks or bank parking lots. 
>
> I can easily get a sense of someone’s legitimacy by talking with them. If 
> I have a bad feeling about someone or a transaction then I abort. 
>
> And if someone messages you on Craigslist asking for your phone number, 
> NEVER give it to them. They can use it to steal your identity. 
> When it comes time to meet with someone I ask for their number and I use a 
> Google voice number to communicate with them. 
> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 10:40:48 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Riv content:  I'll be listing a Riv soon.  Lots of us sell bikes.
>>
>> What is the seller's safety in getting paid with a cashiers check, 
>> PayPal, Zelle, cash, other options?  I''ll be listing my complete bike here 
>> and on CL, so likely I'll be selling to a stranger.  I'd want to protect 
>> myself again someone taking my bike and then, somehow, I wouldn't get the 
>> funds.
>>
>> When I bought a bike from a list member, we met in person, I paid him 
>> with PayPal, he accepted the money and then I took the bike.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Shoe recs for platforms

[Robert Hakim]

I bought a pair of these :
https://www.specialized.com/us/en/2fo-flat-2-0-mountain-bike-shoes/p/155830?color=237107-155830&searchText=61119-6237
And I quite like them. They're a bit warm in the summer but are stiff, 
comfortable, durable and shed reasonable amounts of water. 

I bought mine last year, they had better color options- i.e. not super 
bright and not white. 

-Robert

On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 4:12:36 PM UTC-5 Joe M. wrote:

> I prefer Altra Lone Peaks for when I'm going on dirt and Vans slip ons for 
> pavement riding. Both these shoes feel good on my MKS Monarch/Gamma pedals.
>
> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 5:36:32 PM UTC-8 David Person wrote:
>
>> +1 on the Five Ten Freeriders.  Grippy and long lasting soles.  Pedal 
>> pins don't tear them up.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 2:15:19 AM UTC-8 Ed Carolipio wrote:
>>
>>> I prefer Five Ten Freeriders for biking - all my bikes have flats - with 
>>> the suede/mesh uppers and the rigid + grippy stealth rubber soles. MSRP is 
>>> $100 but can be had for as low as $60 when they go on sale. My experience 
>>> with Freeriders is they break in well and can take a beating. For a change 
>>> of pace, I also wear low cut Vans with waffle soles, laces, and 
>>> suede/canvas uppers (Berle Pro, BMX, Old Skool).
>>>
>>> --Ed C.
>>> On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 6:17:22 PM UTC-8 Adam wrote:
>>>

 Hi all,

 I've seen a few old threads on this topic, but am curious what shoes 
 people like for their platforms? I'm using the newish grip monarchs.

 I've been riding in an old pair of running shoes for a number of years, 
 but the holes are getting out of hand and it's time for them to retire. I 
 tried a pair of fairly rigid spd shoes that I had sitting around from a 
 few 
 years ago (without the cleats) and while I like the rigidity, the grip 
 doesn't hold up when they're wet.

 I'm finding that I like the additional stiffness. Trying the mushy 
 running shoes again, they feel pretty bad. I'm not sure how they didn't 
 bother me all those years.

 So what's grippy (esp when wet), not too hot, decent in the rain, and 
 reasonably stiff?(doesn't have to be cycling specific)

 Thanks for your thoughts!

>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS 56 MUSA Atlantis 650b Great Condition.

[Jonathan D.]

BUMP with price drop.  $2100 plus shipping.  I'll pay to have it boxed.

On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 9:23:47 AM UTC-8 Jonathan D. wrote:

> Bump.
>
> I am happy to ship. Please let me know if you have any questions.  I am 
> flexible on price as well if. you want to discuss options.
>
> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 1:00:42 PM UTC-8 Jonathan D. wrote:
>
>> I am in Portland Oregon.  Thank you Sean!
>>
>> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 10:55:48 AM UTC-8 Sean McDermott wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Jonathan,
>>> What a wonderful bike! Where are you located, just in case a local 
>>> pickup is possible?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sean
>>> On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 10:04:06 PM UTC-5 Jonathan D. wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Doug. You are right it needs more information.  I can't find the 
 MUSA Geometry chart but I am confident someone has it.  I think it is 
 similar to the Toyo Atlantis but with longer chain stays - I want to say 
 47-48 mm for Waterford, versus 52 range for the new MIT version, and 45 
 for 
 the Toyo.

 Here is an old listing that the previous bike mechanic posted I traded 
 for it. I traded a 58 Atlantis that Doug connected me with and I bought 
 from the list. I rode it maybe 200 miles since I traded for it, mostly 
 because of Covid and very little bike commuting. 

 It has Nitto Noodle bars, Shimano brakes, bar ends but not Shimano 
 (can't tell name), Origin Seatpost but probably have a Nitto and can look, 
 Brooks C17 but could trade it for a leather B17, Cx-70 Canti Brakes, 
 Sugino 
 Crank triple, 9 speed cassette, Deore Rear derailleur, and Pasela 42 mm 
 tires. The Wheels are Velocity Atlas wheels, Atlas rims with Velocity 
 Hubs. 
 Everything looks in great shape.  I found one small paint chip on the top 
 tube and will add a picture when the sun is shining.  

 https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/2629426/

 I would love to sell to someone local.  These bikes are hard to price. 
  I'll drop to $2250 plus shipping. Happy to talk build and price.  I don't 
 want to part out, because of the hassle of selling each part.  I have 
 enough parts.

 I am not in a rush to sell and if I don't sell this one, I might try 
 selling a 55 Joe Appaloosa or Some Grand Randeneur. 


 On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 3:22:12 PM UTC-8 dougP wrote:

> Not in the market (I already have a 58 cm Atlantis) but a couple of 
> questions come to mind that potential buyers may ask.  Cassette? (range & 
> how many speeds?) Chainring sizes?  Brakes? Hubs? Tires?  The Atlantis 
> has 
> evolved a lot over the last few years, so listing the chainstay length 
> may 
> be helpful.  
>
> Best of luck in finding it a new home.  An Atlantis needs to be 
> ridden.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 10:27:58 AM UTC-8 Jonathan D. wrote:
>
>> I decided I have too many bikes and need to sell at least one.  This 
>> is a really nice, great condition, typical Rivendell build.  This is a 
>> MUSA 
>> Atlantis, 650 B, size 56.  My PBH is 85.5 and I fit.  It might be a 
>> little 
>> small.  I was planning on keep the racks, but happy to consider 
>> including.  
>>
>> These bikes are hard to know what they are worth.  I am not in a rush 
>> to sell but wanted to put it out there.  I am asking for $2500 plus 
>> shipping. I will have it professionally packaged.  I am happy to answer 
>> questions.
>>
>> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0ZGf693ZgcrSx
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: question re Brooks leather bar tape

[KenP]

Yes, nice tape.  I bought from ebay, then when I tried to wrap it broke at 
the seams;  lengths were joined together somewhere in the middle.   That 
must have been a bad roll. Too expensive to keep trying.  So, I bought 
another set from bike shop.  Let them put it on.  I like that it feels 
comfortable and matches my saddle.  Make sure you like the bars and the 
color first.  I wrapped different  bars myself with success after watching 
a bunch of youtube videos.  There are so many ways.  Hope you enjoy the 
tape.
KenP

On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 9:03:48 AM UTC-5 Marc Irwin wrote:

> I felt the same way when I bought Brooks tape.  I even felt silly buying 
> it on a markdown.  But it lasts and lasts and still looks and feels great 
> 15 years later.
>
> Marc
>
>
> On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 9:30:11 PM UTC-5 Jim S. wrote:
>
>> So I splurged and bought this fancy, pricey bar tape. I'm embarrassed to 
>> admit what I paid for it, but now I've got it. Does anyone have any 
>> experience with it? That is, do I install it the same way I install 
>> Newbaum's, or is there some special method for this stuff? 
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any thoughts. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Intro from Pittsburgh

[E. Ricky Creek]

Welcome!
Cool bikes! 
My wife and I visited Pittsburgh a few years ago and brought our bikes. 
Lots of hills, lots of busses, but we had a great time pedaling around a 
new city. 

I moved to a new town a three years ago and my daily bike commute stopped 
being a daily thing. I found that recreational riding is boring if there 
isn't a theme or destination. I got back into film photography and now have 
things that I search out. Right now I'm super into ice freezers that you 
find outside of gas stations or liquor stores. I don't know why, but they 
seem really classic to me. Cemetery rides can be fun, too.  

On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 3:12:27 PM UTC-6 joshuamarx wrote:

> Hello!
> I've been spending time on this group for years, for inspiration and 
> information, and for general entertainment. It's high time I join the group 
> properly so I can contribute every once in a while.
>
> I'm a proud owner of a 60cm 1st gen (I think) Cheviot, and a 59 cm MIT 
> Atlantis--one of the demo completes that Riv sold a while back. Links to 
> pictures are below (crossing my fingers that they come through properly). 
>
> Pre-COVID, 99% of my riding was commuting (downtown Pittsburgh) and errand 
> running. The non-commuting of COVID has really cut into my bike time--I may 
> need to figure out how to work recreational rides into my life this spring!
> Best,
> Josh
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N8pdNanpBNGSY7fOQjHTdaXfIaXPgwP7/view?usp=sharing
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eghSVYdTjSB2zc3nzY9X8cz8dgQvIbLl/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] What is the seller's safety with PayPal and other payments.

[Peter Adler]

PayPal now has a third option, which I discovered last night when I paid an 
RBWer for a shirt: The buyer pays through Friends & Family, but pays an 
additional fee on their own end to preserve their buyer protection (e.g., 
seller pockets money then sends damaged product/product not meeting presale 
description/sends no merch at all). This displaces the standard seller 
concern (*the percentage comes out of my end!*) while allaying some of the 
buyer's equally valid concerns when dealing with a seller they don't know 
IRL (*how do I know you're not going to rob me?*)

Most of the voiced complaints re PayPal/Venmo/Apple Pay etc. around here 
are those of sellers who think they've gotten burned, or who fear they 
might get burned. As a person who's been exclusively on the buyer end for 
25 years, and who is still wrestling with eBay/PayPal over a $750 laptop 
that was allegedly "delivered" by FedEx (where the only evidence for a 
delivery is a BS FedEx delivery/tracking notice - I was standing on my 
porch when FedEx claims to have "delivered" it, and there was no truck), 
for which the commercial seller refuses to accept any liability (even 
though they said they didn't trust FedEx, for obviously good reason)...may 
I say that I think there are two sides to this issue, and I'm glad that 
someone with muscle is at least willing to pretend to contend for my 
interest. Because otherwise, I'd be out the price of a lot of bicycles, 
with nothing to show for it and nowhere to seek redress.

And let's not ignore that in a lot of metro areas, there's a long history 
of attractive Craigslist ads as bait, placed simply to set buyers up to be 
mugged for the cash brought as payment for non-existant goods. In San 
Francisco (CL Central), the problem got so bad that the SFPD had a setup 
for awhile where exchange of payment/goods for CL purchases could happen 
under police supervision, in the parking lots of police stations.

Sure, seller beware. But buyer beware, too. There's a reason that the 
latter one is a commonplace saying, and the former one isn't.

As for "hearing of cases", I think that's a show-your-work thing. As I read 
it, once I send money F&F, it's gone; I have no way to get it back, whether 
the seller makes good on the transaction or not. Members of this group 
should note that every PayPal payment I've made to anyone here has always 
been F&F; this reflects not so much my trust of people's inherent decency 
(only people who don't know me would think I'm like that) as my 
pinchpennyness, my fatalism, and my hope for intolerable social censure in 
the event the transaction goes south.

One thing to consider is, if a seller isn't willing to pay the Goods & 
Services fee to offer protection to a buyer (a fee which they should be 
incorporating into the total sales price, just as would happen with a 
shipping fee), why should a buyer trust them? Personally, if I insisted on 
buying a big-ticket item from a buyer too far away for me to pound on their 
front door who refuses to go the G&S route, I'd bite the bullet and pay the 
F&F protection fee, purely for my own safety.

Peter Adler
several times bit in
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 11:35:05 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Make sure you pull your payment from PayPal into your bank account right 
> away. 
>
> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 11:29:26 AM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> PayPal has two modes, Friends & Family and Goods and Services. G&S 
>> charges a fee to the seller, I think 3%, but offers some protection for 
>> both parties. F&F doesn’t offer any protection. I’ve heard of cases where 
>> the buyer paid in F&F and then retracted the payment after they got the 
>> part. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Intro from Pittsburgh

[Roberta]

Welcome.
I was out to Pittsburgh about 1 1/2 years ago for business and I bought my 
bike.  Each day, I started at a different point on the GAP for a day ride, 
went south 10-15 miles and then back, as my hotel was in Pittsburgh.  It 
was 90*+ but you have some nice shade on that trail, and some beautiful 
views. 
Roberta, in flat Philadelphia

On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 4:12:27 PM UTC-5 joshuamarx wrote:

> Hello!
> I've been spending time on this group for years, for inspiration and 
> information, and for general entertainment. It's high time I join the group 
> properly so I can contribute every once in a while.
>
> I'm a proud owner of a 60cm 1st gen (I think) Cheviot, and a 59 cm MIT 
> Atlantis--one of the demo completes that Riv sold a while back. Links to 
> pictures are below (crossing my fingers that they come through properly). 
>
> Pre-COVID, 99% of my riding was commuting (downtown Pittsburgh) and errand 
> running. The non-commuting of COVID has really cut into my bike time--I may 
> need to figure out how to work recreational rides into my life this spring!
> Best,
> Josh
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N8pdNanpBNGSY7fOQjHTdaXfIaXPgwP7/view?usp=sharing
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eghSVYdTjSB2zc3nzY9X8cz8dgQvIbLl/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
>
>
>

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