Re: [RBW] Re: Any particular grease cleaner you would recommend!

[ascpgh]

Thanks for that perspective compendium James. Much of what becomes 
contentious about various lubes does focus on a very narrow aspect of its 
function (or impact) and environment of use.  Props for the article too. 
Time remains the most powerful legal tool.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh 

On Sunday, October 4, 2020 at 9:59:28 AM UTC-4 James / Analog Cycles wrote:

> As a mechanic for the last 20+ years, I'll add my two cents here.  Park 
> chain cleaner boxes are a hot mess, and degreaser is bad.  We don't even 
> have degreaser in the shop.  I just keep it around the house to clean up 
> bacon splatters and grease stains on my pants.  
>
> Here's a write up from our site on prolink, but it talks about cleaning a 
> chain, how to do it, how to relube, with no box, minimal mess, no premature 
> drivetrain wear:
>
> *Chain lube should keep your chain lubed, not looking nice.  Clean lubes 
> are giving something up to be clean. Maybe it’s the need to apply to a 
> completely clean chain, maybe they don’t protect against rust as well, but 
> there is no free lunch. Clean lubes are not as effective at protecting your 
> chain as greasy gross wet lubes.  Is the ball joint of your car clean? Heck 
> no, it’s horrible, covered in a goopy mess of black grease. You don’t see 
> them using ‘clean’ or clear grease in there.*
>
> *Prolink makes a good really thin chain lube.  It’s like WD-40, but for 
> bikes. WD-40 has a whole bunch of solvents in it.  These help break down 
> rust and flush out thicker lubes. When the solvents dry, there is a bit of 
> lube in the WD-40.  Not enough to actually do a good job lubing a chain, 
> but enough to keep a door hinge swinging freely. Prolink is similar, but it 
> has a higher lube content.  Still a ton of solvents, but more lube. That 
> means Prolink is a great lube to clean your chain with. What??!*
>
> *Cleaning your chain with degreaser is bonkers.  If the degreaser is 
> strong enough to break down the old chain lube, guess what, it’s strong 
> enough to keep the fresh stuff from getting in.  Sure, you can flush the 
> chain with water, after degreasing it, then use a combo of time and an air 
> compressor to blow the water out of the chain.  Me, I don’t like to use an 
> air compressor on a chain. Not only is it hard on our generator, but it 
> also flings black water all over the place, including but not limited such 
> places as your rims, tan sidewalls and disc rotors.  Just air drying a 
> chain could take over a day. I don’t have time for that. I have firewood to 
> process. If you clean your chain with prolink, you flush two things outta 
> the chain: grit (composed of road grit and bits of your chain) and old 
> lube.  *
>
> *Continue on for more True Facts about Chain Lube:*
>
> *Analog’s Cardinal Rules of Chain Lube:*
>
>- *Chain lube (or anything really) should NOT have PTFE in it.  Why 
>not? It’s exceptionally bad for the environment. 
>
> 
>  Actually 
>it’s inordinately bad for everything.  * 
>- *Chain lube should not cost an arm and a leg.  Even our favorite 
>lubes really, should be cheaper.  I wish we found a cheap, good, bio lube 
>that we could sell.  But as it is, the two lubes we offer are pretty 
> cheap, 
>in the scheme of things.* 
>- *Chain lube shouldn’t have wax in it.  It clumps, esp in cold 
>weather. * 
>- *Chain lube should keep your chain lubed, not looking nice.  Clean 
>lubes are giving something up to be clean. Maybe it’s the need to apply to 
>a completely clean chain, maybe they don’t protect against rust as well, 
>but there is no free lunch. Clean lubes are not as effective at protecting 
>your chain as greasy gross wet lubes.  Is the ball joint of your car 
> clean? 
>Heck no, it’s horrible, covered in a goopy mess of black grease. You don’t 
>see them using ‘clean’ or clear grease in there.* 
>- *Chain lube should be easy on, and relatively easy off.  You 
>shouldn’t have to take your chain off, or scrub your cassette, or take a 
>dental pick to your derailleur pulleys every time you wanna lube your 
>chain.  If your chain isn’t horrendously gross looking, you should be able 
>to just add a bit more lube and keep going. If it’s really bad, you should 
>be able to clean it, with a rag, while on the bike.  If you can’t, you 
> have 
>the wrong lube.* 
>- *Ideally, chain lube should be sticky enough to last for a few weeks 
>of riding in whatever conditions you like to ride in.  So in the winter, 
>your lube should be heavier and stickier, and in the dry of summer, it can 
>be thinner, if it’s not all rainy and muddy out.  * 
>- *That’s it.  * 
>
> *The process is super simple:  Shift into the big ring up front and the 
> hardest gear in the back.  Apply Prolink generously, so that when you stop 
> pedaling, it’s dripping on 

[RBW] Re: Platypus: First Look

[Steve Cole]

Leah,

Try Simworks if you want aluminum fenders.  I have an MIT Atlantis with 700 
x 55c Rene Herse Antelope Hill tires. Simworks has a fenders all the way up 
to 80 mm wide.  Mine are the Flat 65s.  They fit only needing a very small 
crimp on either side by the fork.   Simworks has other sizes as narrow as 
35 mm as well as other profiles (Round,Turtle, Fuji and Liner).  James at 
Analog said that Simworks fenders, which are made by Hong by the way, have 
the best attachment hardware.  Love your new Platy!

Steve Cole
Arlington, VA

On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 at 6:46:26 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:
>
> Hi Friends,
>
> It’s tough out there, isn’t it. Could we use a little joy? Would you 
> qualify a sneak peak at a new Rivendell bike model as a joy-bringer? If 
> not, stop right here
>
> Are you still with me? Get ready to be delighted! I have wanted a new 
> Rivendell mixte ever since the rumored Anniversary Mixte of 2018. Will - 
> who has had too many emails from me about the Anniversary Mixte, which 
> became the Fancy Cheviot, and ultimately evolved into the Platypus - sent 
> me an email. And in that email was the most remarkable photo...
>
> It’s Grant, with my new Platypus in his arms. Everything about this photo 
> is so endearing. The way Grant is proudly presenting the bike, this 
> long-awaited fancy mixte, named after his favorite animal. The way his eyes 
> are covered so you can’t read the pride in them but you can see in his 
> outstretched arms how he hopes you are pleased with his masterpiece. It’s 
> too much for me. I’m overcome. It is likely to go on my wall...the photo, 
> not the bike. 
>
> No, the bike will be ridden half to death. I won’t be precious about it, 
> but I will dress it up fancy. Analog is doing another one of their famous 
> colorful wheelsets and dyno systems for me, and the accent colors we chose 
> are rose and teal. (If you only have 2 bikes, you get to splurge on the 
> builds. See photo for wheel/dyno selection.) Rivendell will do the rest of 
> the build, and I am really looking forward to this because I haven’t ever 
> chosen the parts for a complete bike build before. My last *new* Rivendell 
> was the 2012 Betty Foy, and I didn’t know a thing about bikes then, so I 
> just requested Keven choose everything. In 2020, I know just enough to have 
> an opinion and I’m really looking forward to Will’s phone call about the 
> parts this week.
>
> The mixtes are the best bikes Rivendell makes, and they have outdone 
> themselves with this beauty. It’s regal, like a ballroom gown, and made 
> better because it’s not just a pretty face. It may appear as a 
> contradiction, because it is exquisite, yes, but not at the expense of 
> function. It is smart. Capable. Beautiful. Useful. This is the DNA of a 
> “joy-bringer.”
>
> I hope this beautiful bike brightens your day a little bit, and stokes 
> your excitement for Grant’s upcoming, long-awaited and much-celebrated 
> Rivendell mixte. I wish you all a Platypus this November!
>
> Leah
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Platypus: First Look

[Dave S]

Re-radiusing the wavy fender to fit 700c is very easy.  Velo Orange even 
has a blog on how to do 
it: https://velo-orange.com/pages/re-radiusing-fenders

You'll have to gently squeeze the fender together so it ends up being a bit 
narrower. The wavy is pretty wide from the start so you'll probably be ok 
if your tire choice isn't super wide.




>
> I’m off to hunt down some metal fenders now. I didn’t realize that finding 
> fenders for 700c wheels would be difficult - it seems most (of the ones I 
> like) are made for the smaller width tires. I was hoping to put my favorite 
> waterfall fenders (“wavy” by Velo Orange) on the Platypus, but alas, 650b 
> only. And I don’t like the snakeskin look, so I limit myself further yet.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

John,

Per the aerial map in the below link (scroll down), the area I mentioned 
earlier is free commuter parking for Seastreak (Lot 2). (The smaller Lot 1 
also works, if spaces are available at 11:30.) I think you were looking at 
Lot 3.) I believe what you're suggesting is Lot 4, which would also work. 
But wherever you may want to park, you'll be sure to see Rivs circling 
about.

https://seastreak.com/what-to-know/port-locations-directions-parking/atlantic-highlands-nj/


Bob

On Sunday, October 4, 2020 at 8:11:47 PM UTC-4, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Bob
>
> Concerning parking in Atlantic Highlands for those coming by car, you 
> suggested:
>
> "I suggest the Atlantic Highlands meet-up location be the parking lot 
> along First Ave (left side as you head toward the pier)."
>
> I looked at the map and the entire left side of 1st Ave seems to be a 
> large parking, with lots of SUVs/truck with boat trailers attached (to be 
> expected fo r a marine location).
>
> Would a better place be the parking area on the west side of West Ave 
> right after West Ave passes Bay Ave (going north on West towards the ferry 
> terminal)???  The parking spots are lined and border the HHT.   Might be 
> better than mixing it up with boat trailers??
>
> Any thoughts???
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: A brand new Rambouillet made its way to my house...

[stevef]

A NOS creamsicle Rambly?  Holy smokes, what a find.

On Sunday, October 4, 2020 at 10:42:31 AM UTC-4 weste...@gmail.com wrote:

> That's a mystery to me as well. 
>
> I am sorting through the parts stash right now to see what I'll need to 
> buy. It will be built soon-ish, likely by the new year at the latest.  
>
> Of course, the original owner might have had similar intentions 15 years 
> ago ...   I wanted to ask what happened, but somehow it did not seem 
> appropriate, especially as he waffled a bit on whether or not he really 
> wanted to sell it. :0
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, October 3, 2020 at 8:21:49 PM UTC-5, Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>> What the heck how do people not build a frame up in 15 years.  I can 
>> barely wait a weekend when I buy one. 
>>
>> Great buy. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Cargo Bike progress

[Dorothy C]

Looks lovely. Will you use a chain keeper with the Altus?

 I am planning a Roadini 1x with an Altus rear derailleur and a Wolf Tooth 
Components dropstop chainring, which I hope will be sufficient. I am 
putting the chainring in the middle position with a Riv Silver bashguard on 
the outer slot. 

On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 5:30:48 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> I finished the wheels for the Cargo bike. 
> Custom ordered polished 48 spoke 650B Velocity Cliffhanger rims (ordered 
> last year for GBW, changed the GBW to a large 700C when this bike became 
> available), NOS Sansin high flange tandem rear hub, 9 year old SON Klassic 
> front dyno-hub, Wheelsmith DB spokes. Kenda Kwick Seven.5 Sport Koffee 
> Skinwall 27.5 x 2.2 tires.
> Shimano Altus M310 rear derailleur, ConTek (Tektro 849AL) 120mm V-brakes, 
> NOS SR seatpost, Brooks B-68 Aged Saddle, Double clamp bolt Nitto stem, 
> Nitto Wavie handlebars, IRD NeedL BlastR headset, 172.5 Sun XCD cankarms 
> with 1x VO 44t chainring, chrome pump.
> Plenty of clearance for fenders and the V-brakes will clear the fenders. I 
> love the way the tire sidewalls kind of match the saddle. Need to switch to 
> a narrower bottom bracket
>
> [image: IMG_0710.jpg]
>
>
> [image: IMG_0711.jpg]
>
>
> Laing
>
> Delray Beach FL
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Platypus: First Look

[Leah Peterson]

Dave, this is fantastic. My tires will be 43 or 44, I think. But won’t the 650b 
fenders be too short on a 700 c wheel??? If not, I would totally go for it.

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 5, 2020, at 4:41 AM, Dave S  wrote:
> 
> 
> Re-radiusing the wavy fender to fit 700c is very easy.  Velo Orange even has 
> a blog on how to do it: https://velo-orange.com/pages/re-radiusing-fenders
> 
> You'll have to gently squeeze the fender together so it ends up being a bit 
> narrower. The wavy is pretty wide from the start so you'll probably be ok if 
> your tire choice isn't super wide.
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> I’m off to hunt down some metal fenders now. I didn’t realize that finding 
>> fenders for 700c wheels would be difficult - it seems most (of the ones I 
>> like) are made for the smaller width tires. I was hoping to put my favorite 
>> waterfall fenders (“wavy” by Velo Orange) on the Platypus, but alas, 650b 
>> only. And I don’t like the snakeskin look, so I limit myself further yet.
>> 
>> 
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[RBW] Re: KOMA bike light or similar?

[Ray]

Sorry. I forgot to leave an update here. I did finally hear back from 
Jintensha (it seems my email initially filed to their spam folder for some 
reason) and they let me know that they don't currently have any of the 
Kiley lights in stock. I just ordered from the site that Nikko linked. 
Thank, Nikko!

Ray

On Sunday, October 4, 2020 at 12:13:28 AM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:

> Crust has them, but in purple? Seems weird...
>
> https://www.crustbikes.com/products/blue-lug-select-koma-lights/ 
>
> Collin in "Unhealthy" Sacramento 
>
> On Saturday, October 3, 2020 at 2:19:27 PM UTC-7 weste...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The Aluma-lites are quite similar, and come in a variety of body colors. 
>>
>> Rear:   https://tinyurl.com/y3kz92g4
>>
>> Set of front and back: https://tinyurl.com/y65v4cfv
>>
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 11:55:05 AM UTC-5, Ray wrote:
>>>
>>> Apologies if this is off-topic, but I thought since Riv and Blue Lug are 
>>> so closely tied, it might be appropriate.
>>>
>>> Blue Lug recently advertised these KOMA lights that they are selling on 
>>> the global site: 
>>> https://global.bluelug.com/bl-select-koma-light-rear-black.html
>>>
>>> I really appreciate the simple design and the concept. I've found that 
>>> most bike tail lights attach to the seatpost. This doesn't work for me most 
>>> of the time because I like to use a saddle bag that would cover the light. 
>>> I know they also make clip-on lights that can attach to the saddle bag, but 
>>> I also don't love this solution because I've found that the angle of the 
>>> light can change pretty easily without a more fixed point and doesn't 
>>> always direct the light the way you might want. 
>>>
>>> Anyway, the BL light looks great to me but the shipping cost is just too 
>>> much to stomach. If anyone knows of other vendors that sell these I'd love 
>>> to find them, but I suspect these are made specifically for BL as my 
>>> searching hasn't returned them anywhere else. I was wondering if any of you 
>>> knew of something similar or if you've found another solution?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Ray
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Cargo Bike progress

[lconley]

Not planning on using a chain keeper. This will be my commuter - all 
pavement.

Laing

On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 9:14:43 AM UTC-4, Dorothy C wrote:
>
> Looks lovely. Will you use a chain keeper with the Altus?
>
>  I am planning a Roadini 1x with an Altus rear derailleur and a Wolf Tooth 
> Components dropstop chainring, which I hope will be sufficient. I am 
> putting the chainring in the middle position with a Riv Silver bashguard on 
> the outer slot. 
>
> On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 5:30:48 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>
>> I finished the wheels for the Cargo bike. 
>> Custom ordered polished 48 spoke 650B Velocity Cliffhanger rims (ordered 
>> last year for GBW, changed the GBW to a large 700C when this bike became 
>> available), NOS Sansin high flange tandem rear hub, 9 year old SON Klassic 
>> front dyno-hub, Wheelsmith DB spokes. Kenda Kwick Seven.5 Sport Koffee 
>> Skinwall 27.5 x 2.2 tires.
>> Shimano Altus M310 rear derailleur, ConTek (Tektro 849AL) 120mm V-brakes, 
>> NOS SR seatpost, Brooks B-68 Aged Saddle, Double clamp bolt Nitto stem, 
>> Nitto Wavie handlebars, IRD NeedL BlastR headset, 172.5 Sun XCD cankarms 
>> with 1x VO 44t chainring, chrome pump.
>> Plenty of clearance for fenders and the V-brakes will clear the fenders. 
>> I love the way the tire sidewalls kind of match the saddle. Need to switch 
>> to a narrower bottom bracket
>>
>> [image: IMG_0710.jpg]
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_0711.jpg]
>>
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Platypus: First Look

[Dave]

I think all of VO's fenders are the same length. If anything, the fender
may grow slightly in overall length.  The squeezing of the sides is going
to cause the fenders to slightly stretch.  Think about squeezing a piece of
playdough (or real dough!?).  If you smash a round ball, you get a much
bigger (but thinner) pancake.  Same idea.


On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 10:16 AM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Dave, this is fantastic. My tires will be 43 or 44, I think. But won’t the
> 650b fenders be too short on a 700 c wheel??? If not, I would totally go
> for it.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Oct 5, 2020, at 4:41 AM, Dave S  wrote:
>
> 
> Re-radiusing the wavy fender to fit 700c is very easy.  Velo Orange even
> has a blog on how to do it:
> https://velo-orange.com/pages/re-radiusing-fenders
>
> You'll have to gently squeeze the fender together so it ends up being a
> bit narrower. The wavy is pretty wide from the start so you'll probably be
> ok if your tire choice isn't super wide.
>
>
>
>
>>
>> I’m off to hunt down some metal fenders now. I didn’t realize that
>> finding fenders for 700c wheels would be difficult - it seems most (of the
>> ones I like) are made for the smaller width tires. I was hoping to put my
>> favorite waterfall fenders (“wavy” by Velo Orange) on the Platypus, but
>> alas, 650b only. And I don’t like the snakeskin look, so I limit myself
>> further yet.
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Pair of new Schwalbe Nobby Nics, 27.5 x 2.8, EVO Addix Speed Tiregrip Folding

[James Simeri]

bump. $90 shipped.

On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 10:19:02 PM UTC-5 James Simeri wrote:

> Here are photos, although they're not very exciting. They are simply new 
> tires, never mounted. One doesn't even have the rubber bands off of them.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/2vbnqyTpLKuonyrD9
>
> $110 shipped.
>
>
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[RBW] Herse v. VO Crankset

[Brady Smith]

Hi all, 

I'm planning some improvements to my BMC Monster Cross and a new crankset 
is among them. I had it built with a 48x34 setup but after riding it for a 
while I've decided 46x30 is probably more my speed. 

I'm curious as to the group's thoughts on the merits of the Velo Orange and 
Rene Herse models. I'm sure the VO is fine, and I've had nothing but good 
experiences with their products. But from what I gather, the Herse model 
has much nicer finishing and Herse makes a whole line of compatible 
chainrings that let you mix and match as you change terrain. 

Should I save a little money and go with the VO model or go all in and buy 
the Herse crankset?

The primary purpose is randonneuring, but I do plenty of general riding on 
this bike as well.

Thanks!

Brady

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

[Roberta]

That looks beautiful, Dave.  

I was going to bring my A Homer Hilsen (42 tires), but that doesn't have 
fenders.  And, you mention gravel.  Would fendered Joe Appaloosa (47 tires) 
be better?  Or, is it whichever bike "speaks" to me that day?

I'm OK going up moderate hills that aren't too steep (but nothing like 
Leah's killer hill), but if your wife wants to walk it, I'll be happy to do 
so with her.  I'm also not used to big hills.  On my first ride for MS, I 
got over the bridge to Ocean City, NJ  OK.

On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 9:05:30 AM UTC-4, Dave S wrote:
>
> Mrs and I rode Sandy Hook over the weekend.  Afterward, we tried to 
> confirm the route by backtracking to the Highlands but we couldn't do it 
> exactly via car.  It does seem doable. The part of the henry hudson trail 
> we'll be riding does turn to gravel. Climbing Mount Mitchell is not 
> necessary but there is going to be a short kicker up to the bridge and then 
> the climb over the bridge.  We're pretty spoiled living along the coast 
> with no true climbing to speak of so she already second-guessing herself.  
> Anyone else concerned about a little climbing?  
>
> There are many lots in Sandy Hook that are directly on the trail if you 
> want to skip the climb.  Lot A or B are both very close to the entrance.  A 
> is smaller and fills up early, lot B is huge and I think has rest rooms and 
> maybe a food truck or two.  Hard to predict at this time of year.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, October 4, 2020 at 8:11:47 PM UTC-4, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> Concerning parking in Atlantic Highlands for those coming by car, you 
>> suggested:
>>
>> "I suggest the Atlantic Highlands meet-up location be the parking lot 
>> along First Ave (left side as you head toward the pier)."
>>
>> I looked at the map and the entire left side of 1st Ave seems to be a 
>> large parking, with lots of SUVs/truck with boat trailers attached (to be 
>> expected fo r a marine location).
>>
>> Would a better place be the parking area on the west side of West Ave 
>> right after West Ave passes Bay Ave (going north on West towards the ferry 
>> terminal)???  The parking spots are lined and border the HHT.   Might be 
>> better than mixing it up with boat trailers??
>>
>> Any thoughts???
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: A brand new Rambouillet made its way to my house...

[Mike Godwin]

Must be in the air Julian

I grabbed a creamcycle version too, 62 cm a little more than a week ago.  
Even though it had been through 2 other owners, it looks new after all 
these years. I had all parts on hand except a stem, so a fellow ibob 
offered one up and is the mail. Rummaging around for cable housing, viola, 
a Nitto Pearl way in the back and it is together with two rides over the 
weekend. This replaced Ram 005 I sold 6 years ago. It was a 61 cm 
prototype. The 62 fits nicer for some reason. 

Mike SLO CA

On Saturday, October 3, 2020 at 1:42:12 PM UTC-7, Julian Westerhout wrote:

> About a year and a quarter ago I sold my blue and white 68 cm Rambouillet 
> frame, having bought Will's 67 cm AHH, which I enjoy very much. 
>
> Then this week this brand new in the box, bought by the seller from 
> Rivendell in 2005 but never built 68 cm Orange Rambouillet frame became 
> available within a reasonable drive from me, and I could not resist, so a 
> Ram is back among my assembly of Rivendells. 
>
> My bicycle cup runneth over.   :) 
>
> Photo is of frame and fork in front of the seller's house. 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Green Rambouillet, 56cm, new lower price

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi all,

I am posting this for a friend who has been unable to ride for a number of 
years and his Ram has been sitting unused in his garage.  It is "almost" in 
almost pristine condition with very few miles. There are just a couple of 
scratches on the top tube from a garage tip over. I've got some touch up 
paint for those.  Everything is in fantastic condition and the bike is 
awesome. I've got an original orange Ram and I love these bikes...

He is now asking $1300.

Here are the details:

Rambouillet frame, 56 (cm center to top)
Noodle bars 44cm
Technomic stem - 11cm
Shimano levers and mid reach brakes
Shimano 9spd bar ends
Sugino crank 48/36/26, 170mm crank arms
Nitto seat post
Brooks Champion B17
Shimano Xt rear derailler
Shimano 105 front derailler
Shimano 105 hubs/Mavic Open Pro rims 32 spokes
28mm Ruffy Tuffy tires (nearly new)
Shimano cassette - 12-32
Wellgo SPD/flat pedals

The seat height in the pics is 74cm. There's room for 35 Compass Bon Jon 
Pass tires.

Here's a link to a bunch of pics:  
https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0xJr1PPdJtSRx0

Any questions please email me at:   glandwirth (at) mac (dot) com

Thanks,
Gary
Asheville, NC




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[RBW] (Best) metal fenders for Joe Appa?

[Doug Van Cleve]

Howdy folks.

I bought one of these off the list last year, came with the SKS vendors as
is typical for an RBW bike. I would like to put metal fenders on it, just
because. I have an unused set of the first generation V-O Zepplins, which
would work, but I suspect wider is really ideal based on the clearances of
the JA.   Cheap(er)-but-good is always the best for me, so I suspect the
V-O Wavy fender is the best choice. Am I missing anything?

Thanks, Doug

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Re: [RBW] Herse v. VO Crankset

[James Valiensi]

Hi,
I have a Herse crankset I bought from Jan Hein. They are beautiful and I wanted 
one for many years before I decided to pony up. They are costly.
Works as good as it looks, but here is the rub:
I’ve mounted hundreds of cranks over the past 30+ years. I’ve only ever had one 
come loose: the very 1st one I mounted. The Rene Herse crankset one came loose 
so many times that I kept a Campy peanut butter wrench in my bag. I mistakenly 
followed Jan’s directions to the letter.
I finally did it my way, greased the spindle and used a 3/8” breaker bar to 
torque it on. Been good ever since. 
I tried to contact Rene Herse cycles only to find they don’t respond to emails 
and don’t list their phone number on their web site. I thought, what a 
stinker!, he’s got all my contact info. The whole experience kinda soured me 
towards Rene Herse cycles.

The new Silver crankset would be most enjoyable if bigger chainrings were 
available. A 104 four-bolt bigger than 36 is hard to find.

> On Oct 5, 2020, at 1:46 PM, dave_manze...@yahoo.com 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am building up an Atlantis and have decided to use a 46/30T Andel 3-pin 
> crankset. I purchased directly from Andel at a cost of $135 plus shipping.
> Dave
> Cleveland, OH 
> 
> 
> On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 1:27:15 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote:
> Brady:
> 
> The Herse crankset is beautiful and beautifully made and will probably be on 
> the road decades from now with a little care. However, it’s expensive.
> 
> If your goal is a machine that rides and looks well, a VO crankset will be 
> just fine … and you can spend the money you’ll save on something else.
> 
> You might also consider finding a used TA Cyclotouriste or a Stronglight 
> crankset of the same design. Chainrings interchange between the two (TA rings 
> seem to be preferred, as both my Stronglight cranksets have them) and there 
> are lots and lots of them available on eBay and elsewhere. Here’s the 
> slightly dirty Stronglight crankset on my Centurion Pro Tour:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> A set of TA arms and rings in nice condition will polish up very nicely with 
> a little elbow grease. (Don’t use the Quick-Go product that Grant 
> recommends—it’s designed to remove rust and corrosion from steel, and makes 
> polished alloy dull. Use Simichrome instead.)
> 
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
> 
> 
>> On Oct 5, 2020, at 10:13 AM, Brady Smith > > wrote:
>> 
> 
>> Hi all, 
>> 
>> I'm planning some improvements to my BMC Monster Cross and a new crankset is 
>> among them. I had it built with a 48x34 setup but after riding it for a 
>> while I've decided 46x30 is probably more my speed. 
>> 
>> I'm curious as to the group's thoughts on the merits of the Velo Orange and 
>> Rene Herse models. I'm sure the VO is fine, and I've had nothing but good 
>> experiences with their products. But from what I gather, the Herse model has 
>> much nicer finishing and Herse makes a whole line of compatible chainrings 
>> that let you mix and match as you change terrain. 
>> 
>> Should I save a little money and go with the VO model or go all in and buy 
>> the Herse crankset?
>> 
>> The primary purpose is randonneuring, but I do plenty of general riding on 
>> this bike as well.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Brady
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Herse v. VO Crankset

[Kieran J]

I've been riding a VO 50.4mm crankset for years and it's great. I certainly 
recommend it. I replaced the rings with some smaller TA ones.
SUNXCD also makes a similar set of arms that you can pair with some TA 
rings of your choosing.

KJ


On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 10:13:41 AM UTC-7, Brady Smith wrote:
>
> Hi all, 
>
> I'm planning some improvements to my BMC Monster Cross and a new crankset 
> is among them. I had it built with a 48x34 setup but after riding it for a 
> while I've decided 46x30 is probably more my speed. 
>
> I'm curious as to the group's thoughts on the merits of the Velo Orange 
> and Rene Herse models. I'm sure the VO is fine, and I've had nothing but 
> good experiences with their products. But from what I gather, the Herse 
> model has much nicer finishing and Herse makes a whole line of compatible 
> chainrings that let you mix and match as you change terrain. 
>
> Should I save a little money and go with the VO model or go all in and buy 
> the Herse crankset?
>
> The primary purpose is randonneuring, but I do plenty of general riding on 
> this bike as well.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Brady
>

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[RBW] Re: (Best) metal fenders for Joe Appa?

[Collin A]

Not cheaper, but the simworks flat 65 ( 
https://www.sim.works/collections/fenders-simworks-by-honjo/products/flat-65?variant=5250514812957)
 
worked on my Joe and look nice. It took some dimpling at the chainstays, 
seatstays and fork crown, but they work well enough (and they were 
leftovers from my clem). Gives plenty of room underneath for some 650x50 
cazaderos.

I just mounted them for the "rain" California is expecting at the end of 
the week.

Cheers,
Collin, frantically rain dancing, in Sacramento
On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 1:54:44 PM UTC-7 Doug Van Cleve wrote:

> Howdy folks.
>
> I bought one of these off the list last year, came with the SKS vendors as 
> is typical for an RBW bike. I would like to put metal fenders on it, just 
> because. I have an unused set of the first generation V-O Zepplins, which 
> would work, but I suspect wider is really ideal based on the clearances of 
> the JA.   Cheap(er)-but-good is always the best for me, so I suspect the 
> V-O Wavy fender is the best choice. Am I missing anything?
>
> Thanks, Doug
>

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[RBW] Re: Herse v. VO Crankset

[Joel S]

Yup, the SunXCD arms are beautiful and can be matted with TA Cyclotourist 
rings.  Good luck, looks like you have quite a few options.  You can get 
the SunXCD from a couple of shops in the UK without breaking the bank.  You 
can also just buy the arms from them and get the TA Cyclotourist chainrings 
from Peter White.  

On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 5:21:04 PM UTC-4 Kieran J wrote:

> I've been riding a VO 50.4mm crankset for years and it's great. I 
> certainly recommend it. I replaced the rings with some smaller TA ones.
> SUNXCD also makes a similar set of arms that you can pair with some TA 
> rings of your choosing.
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 10:13:41 AM UTC-7, Brady Smith wrote:
>>
>> Hi all, 
>>
>> I'm planning some improvements to my BMC Monster Cross and a new crankset 
>> is among them. I had it built with a 48x34 setup but after riding it for a 
>> while I've decided 46x30 is probably more my speed. 
>>
>> I'm curious as to the group's thoughts on the merits of the Velo Orange 
>> and Rene Herse models. I'm sure the VO is fine, and I've had nothing but 
>> good experiences with their products. But from what I gather, the Herse 
>> model has much nicer finishing and Herse makes a whole line of compatible 
>> chainrings that let you mix and match as you change terrain. 
>>
>> Should I save a little money and go with the VO model or go all in and 
>> buy the Herse crankset?
>>
>> The primary purpose is randonneuring, but I do plenty of general riding 
>> on this bike as well.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Brady
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: KOMA bike light or similar?

[Joel S]

I just got the last rear light, I wanted 2 but they only had one so I 
figured I’d try a front as well.  Thanks for the update Ray.  

On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 10:23:42 AM UTC-4 Ray wrote:

> Sorry. I forgot to leave an update here. I did finally hear back from 
> Jintensha (it seems my email initially filed to their spam folder for some 
> reason) and they let me know that they don't currently have any of the 
> Kiley lights in stock. I just ordered from the site that Nikko linked. 
> Thank, Nikko!
>
> Ray
>
> On Sunday, October 4, 2020 at 12:13:28 AM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:
>
>> Crust has them, but in purple? Seems weird...
>>
>> https://www.crustbikes.com/products/blue-lug-select-koma-lights/ 
>>
>> Collin in "Unhealthy" Sacramento 
>>
>> On Saturday, October 3, 2020 at 2:19:27 PM UTC-7 weste...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The Aluma-lites are quite similar, and come in a variety of body colors. 
>>>
>>> Rear:   https://tinyurl.com/y3kz92g4
>>>
>>> Set of front and back: https://tinyurl.com/y65v4cfv
>>>
>>>
>>> Julian Westerhout
>>> Bloomington, IL 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 11:55:05 AM UTC-5, Ray wrote:

 Apologies if this is off-topic, but I thought since Riv and Blue Lug 
 are so closely tied, it might be appropriate.

 Blue Lug recently advertised these KOMA lights that they are selling on 
 the global site: 
 https://global.bluelug.com/bl-select-koma-light-rear-black.html

 I really appreciate the simple design and the concept. I've found that 
 most bike tail lights attach to the seatpost. This doesn't work for me 
 most 
 of the time because I like to use a saddle bag that would cover the light. 
 I know they also make clip-on lights that can attach to the saddle bag, 
 but 
 I also don't love this solution because I've found that the angle of the 
 light can change pretty easily without a more fixed point and doesn't 
 always direct the light the way you might want. 

 Anyway, the BL light looks great to me but the shipping cost is just 
 too much to stomach. If anyone knows of other vendors that sell these I'd 
 love to find them, but I suspect these are made specifically for BL as my 
 searching hasn't returned them anywhere else. I was wondering if any of 
 you 
 knew of something similar or if you've found another solution?

 Thanks!
 Ray

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bob

Thanks for the link highlighting the Seastreak ferry parking Lots #1, #2, 
#3, & #4 as well as the text descripton.  It was a very big help. I was 
using Bing Maps and they show Hennessey Blvd as West Ave.

I suggest meeting in Parking Lot #1, at 1st Ave and Sutton Way.   It 
appears paved with painted parking spaces. 

The small lot I was referring to is at the southern end of Lot #2 and the 
eastern end of Lot #3 and boarding the HHT path.  The aerial map you 
provided shows this as a dirt lot.  The Bing aerial shows it as paved with 
parking spaces.  But Lot#1 is better and easier to find.

Dave S mentions the HHT between AH and Highlands is gravel.  Is it crushed 
gravel or loose???

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ


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[RBW] Re: Herse v. VO Crankset

[Andrew Turner]

If you're interested, I've got a VO 50.4 crankset with a 44-30 combo I'll 
be looking to sell probably next week. ($150 shipped in the 48 states with 
the 118mm grand cru bottom bracket they recommend. Both are still in great 
shape). DM me if you're interested / want pics. 

andyreedturner at gmail 

On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 5:31:01 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

> Yup, the SunXCD arms are beautiful and can be matted with TA Cyclotourist 
> rings.  Good luck, looks like you have quite a few options.  You can get 
> the SunXCD from a couple of shops in the UK without breaking the bank.  You 
> can also just buy the arms from them and get the TA Cyclotourist chainrings 
> from Peter White.  
>
> On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 5:21:04 PM UTC-4 Kieran J wrote:
>
>> I've been riding a VO 50.4mm crankset for years and it's great. I 
>> certainly recommend it. I replaced the rings with some smaller TA ones.
>> SUNXCD also makes a similar set of arms that you can pair with some TA 
>> rings of your choosing.
>>
>> KJ
>>
>>
>> On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 10:13:41 AM UTC-7, Brady Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all, 
>>>
>>> I'm planning some improvements to my BMC Monster Cross and a new 
>>> crankset is among them. I had it built with a 48x34 setup but after riding 
>>> it for a while I've decided 46x30 is probably more my speed. 
>>>
>>> I'm curious as to the group's thoughts on the merits of the Velo Orange 
>>> and Rene Herse models. I'm sure the VO is fine, and I've had nothing but 
>>> good experiences with their products. But from what I gather, the Herse 
>>> model has much nicer finishing and Herse makes a whole line of compatible 
>>> chainrings that let you mix and match as you change terrain. 
>>>
>>> Should I save a little money and go with the VO model or go all in and 
>>> buy the Herse crankset?
>>>
>>> The primary purpose is randonneuring, but I do plenty of general riding 
>>> on this bike as well.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Brady
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Roberta

Do you think we need any more directions for the folks coming???  The train 
and ferry NYC folks seem to know what to do.  Are the driving "directions" 
adequate wrt to getting there and parking.  Fairly simple:  Get to GSP 
South to Atlantic City, get off at NJ SR36, take SR36 to Atlantic Highlands 
and turn left on 1st Ave (it's a jug handle, make a right to the loop to 
1st Ave and cross SR36 at the light).   Go down 1st to the almost the end 
and go in Parking Lot on Bob E's map. and parking?? 

I always worry about parking in busy areas.  Schools, parks and shopping 
centers are ok, but 'downtown' areas could be challenging.  Parking Lot #1 
looks to be safe and the best choice.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Regarding directions: Plug this into your GPS: 

2 Simon Lake Drive
Atlantic Highlands, NJ 07716

Regarding parking: Lot 1 might fill up sooner, but Lots 1 and 2 are right 
next to each other, so it really doesn't matter; we'll see each other. Even 
if you park on the street somewhere, just come down to the trail.

Regarding the trail surface: I haven't been on the HHT since 2018, but I 
seem to remember that most of the trail is paved, and what isn't is a very 
fine crushed stone surface -- in other words, any bike and any tire will be 
fine on it. 

Regarding the climb: They are approaches to a fairly high bridge, but the 
grade really isn't bad at all.

Regarding the ride from Sandy Hook to Long Branch: It's a nice (and 
shorter) alterntive to going back to Matawan. As Dave pointed out, the ride 
from Sandy Hook to Long Branch starts off alongside a large rock seawall on 
a paved trail, but that's only for a couple of miles -- after that, you're 
on Rt. 36 as you enter downtown Sea Bright. After Sea Bright, there's a 
wide shoulder and you pass nice homes and some beach clubs. At Long Branch 
Rt. 36 turns into a four-lane highway (Ocean Blvd), so I've turned onto 
side streets from there to get to the train station. A ride along Ocean Ave 
(not Blvd) and on the promenade at this time of year (no crowds) would be 
very nice, as it's obviously right along the ocean.

To give you an idea of what some of the route is like, the photos in the 
below link are from a ride where I took the train from Linden to 
Aberdeen/Matawan, rode east along the HHT, turned right after the bridge 
(bypassed Sandy Hook that time), rode down Rt. 36 and hit the beach at 
Seven Presidents Oceanfront Park in Long Branch to go for a swim before 
taking the train home:

https://flic.kr/s/aHskF1WUCh

And this one is of Sandy Hook itself:
https://flic.kr/s/aHskmyzgvz

Bob

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Re: [RBW] Re: Advice on Onyx Hubs

[masmojo]

Have you looked at the Velo Orange hubs? I had a rear on my recently 
departed Atlantis and I was quite happy with it,  Much less money than the 
Oynx, but you don't get fancy colors,

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

[Roberta]

Bob,

Thanks for the directions, which answers John's question.  The pictures 
look lovely and I cannot wait for what looks like a wonderful route!  

Roberta

On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 8:04:27 PM UTC-4, Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>
> Regarding directions: Plug this into your GPS: 
>
> 2 Simon Lake Drive
> Atlantic Highlands, NJ 07716
>
> Regarding parking: Lot 1 might fill up sooner, but Lots 1 and 2 are right 
> next to each other, so it really doesn't matter; we'll see each other. Even 
> if you park on the street somewhere, just come down to the trail.
>
> Regarding the trail surface: I haven't been on the HHT since 2018, but I 
> seem to remember that most of the trail is paved, and what isn't is a very 
> fine crushed stone surface -- in other words, any bike and any tire will be 
> fine on it. 
>
> Regarding the climb: They are approaches to a fairly high bridge, but the 
> grade really isn't bad at all.
>
> Regarding the ride from Sandy Hook to Long Branch: It's a nice (and 
> shorter) alterntive to going back to Matawan. As Dave pointed out, the 
> ride from Sandy Hook to Long Branch starts off alongside a large rock 
> seawall on a paved trail, but that's only for a couple of miles -- after 
> that, you're on Rt. 36 as you enter downtown Sea Bright. After Sea Bright, 
> there's a wide shoulder and you pass nice homes and some beach clubs. At 
> Long Branch Rt. 36 turns into a four-lane highway (Ocean Blvd), so I've 
> turned onto side streets from there to get to the train station. A ride 
> along Ocean Ave (not Blvd) and on the promenade at this time of year (no 
> crowds) would be very nice, as it's obviously right along the ocean.
>
> To give you an idea of what some of the route is like, the photos in the 
> below link are from a ride where I took the train from Linden to 
> Aberdeen/Matawan, rode east along the HHT, turned right after the bridge 
> (bypassed Sandy Hook that time), rode down Rt. 36 and hit the beach at 
> Seven Presidents Oceanfront Park in Long Branch to go for a swim before 
> taking the train home:
>
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskF1WUCh
>
> And this one is of Sandy Hook itself:
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskmyzgvz
>
> Bob
>
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Re: [RBW] Platypus: First Look

[Roberta]

I'll be getting a pair of these also; at least they are pretty Ergons!  
Thanks for the tip!

Prior to Riv, I had a 1990 hybrid bike and my purchase of Ergon grips  was 
the best investment in comfort I made for that bike.  I still have the 
grips, but they are too short for this application.

I hope to be back in Las Vegas visiting my sister again this coming spring, 
and we can get together and I can admire your bike.  ANN, are you still 
planning on coming down?

Roberta

On Sunday, October 4, 2020 at 5:17:41 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> I don’t have the bike or its parts yet..but I do have this one thing 
> waiting for it: these Ergon grips in a crisp white color, that I didn’t 
> think the company still made. I love Ergon grips, but they are only ever 
> available in black or cork, and both always clash with my bikes. I buy them 
> anyway (because they’re so lovely to use) but will you look at these? 
> Aren’t they so much better for a raspberry and cream bike? I think Roberta 
> is gonna twin with me on her Platypus. Any other #RivSisters want to join 
> us? 
>
> I’m off to hunt down some metal fenders now. I didn’t realize that finding 
> fenders for 700c wheels would be difficult - it seems most (of the ones I 
> like) are made for the smaller width tires. I was hoping to put my favorite 
> waterfall fenders (“wavy” by Velo Orange) on the Platypus, but alas, 650b 
> only. And I don’t like the snakeskin look, so I limit myself further yet.
>
> I’m finalizing the parts order with Will first thing tomorrow, and then 
> hopefully I’ll have the bike soon! It will be sitting for a while because 
> there will be no wheels for a good 5 weeks, but at least I can pull it into 
> bed with me at night and and tell it how much I love it. 
> Leah
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: OT: FS For Sale Film Cameras, Olympus OM-1, Nikon F

[Mike Godwin]

Cool cameras Mark. I used a SRT100 on jobs at a giant factory in Los 
Angeles, on the west slope of the Rockies, superfun_d sites in CA and TX, 
and in England and Turkey. Ioved being able to control the exposures, but 
man it was heavy some times, the electronic point and shoot won out 
eventually.

I get a kick out of us taking photos of film cameras with, I assume, is an 
electronic camera. An anachronism at its best.

Mike SLO CA 

On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 11:38:36 AM UTC-7, Mark Roland wrote:
>
>
> I've seen the occasional post for film cameras here on RBWOB; if I am out 
> of bounds let me know. These are for taking photographs of your Rivendell 
> bike. Will consider trade for Platypus or Charlie Gallup. I love the idea 
> of shooting film , and I did when I was younger, including a few courses in 
> college. But after shooting a couple of rolls recently, I realized I do not 
> currently have the life style to support this pursuit. Hopefully someone 
> here does. 
>
> 1. Olympus OM-1 I put in one of those batteries for the light meter that, 
> once you open package, has a limited life from what I understand. This can 
> also be converted to take a more traditional battery. Camera works great, 
> includes straps, case, and manuals.  $95 plus $20 flat rate large box.
>
> 2. Nikon F.  A real 1970s work horse.  $40. Plus shipping 8x8x8 box, 4lbs 
> from 12508.
>
> 3. Diax 1a 35mm viewfinder See here for info: 
> https://www.shutterbug.com/content/diax-family-lineup-versatile-35mm-cameras
> $30 plus same shipping as Nikon.
>
> 4. Minolta SRT-100 My old camera from college. $20, plus same shipping as 
> Nikon. (strap is worth it!)
>
> 5. vintage canvas domke bag.  Like this one, but in better shape 
> .
>  
> I had vague ideas of turning this into a cool handlebar bag. But I have a 
> cool handlebar bag. Plus I don't really use handlebar bags, cool or 
> otherwise. $70 shipped.
>
> [image: IMG_20201005_104808675.jpg]
>
> Please reply off list. Thanks.
> PHotos Here:  https://photos.app.goo.gl/cmMKVM71bumpGWYz8
>

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