date:20200517

The MIT Atlantis are excellent for drop bars. It might take some rethinking on 
what constitutes appropriate stem length though. There several advantages to 
shorter stem with longer frame.

Clayton Scott
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Re: [RBW] Praise for the Hubbuhubbuh tandem

2020-05-17 Thread Andrew Erman

So cool!  What a great posting!  Thanks for sharing.  Inspiring


> On May 17, 2020, at 12:05 PM, CapNMike  wrote:
> 
> I haven't seen a lot of ride reports or comments about Hubbuhubbuhs so I 
> thought I would throw my hat into the proverbial ring. 
> 
> Last year we pre-ordered an orange medium frame Hubbuhubbuh and anxiously 
> anticipated its arrival. Parts purchase and assembly was accomplished via a 
> series of phone calls and emails with Grant and Will at RBW. They of course 
> made excellent recommendations and offered sage advice to guide me through 
> the process. 
> 
> I would consider the build to be typical of Rivendell with the exception of 
> the 9 speed trigger shifter on the right and the disc "drag brake" set up for 
> the stoker. The cranks are Silver triples and the cassette is Shimano 9 speed 
> 12-36. Handlebars are Bosco, 58 cm captain and 55 cm stoker. Wheels are 
> Velocity Tandem build sold by Rivendell and the tires are plump G-One All 
> Around. 
> 
> We are fairly experienced tandemers (sp?) if that is even a word. Our first 
> tandem was a Burley Rumba with Soft-ride that we purchased 10 years ago. Then 
> 5 years ago we added a Co-Motion Speedster. Those are both fine tandems but 
> the Hubbuhubbah is far superior in my experience and opinion. We live in 
> Amish country in Mid-Michigan and ride lots of rough paved and unpaved roads. 
> The stable handling and fat tires on the Hubbuhubbuh makes piloting a tandem 
> a dream. We initially thought that the upright seating and high handlebars 
> would limit this bike to short rides but we often find ourselves taking 
> longer exertions due to the comfortable ride and easy handling. 
> 
> Last fall we rode the 36 mile Barry Roubaix Fall Fondo. This is a casual 
> gravel road outing that follows the same roads as the springtime Barry 
> Roubaix Killer Gravel Road Race in Hastings, Michigan. It's safe to say that 
> we received a lot of positive comments about the tandem during the outing. 
> The bike beautifully handled all of the rough gravel roads and tough hills 
> that the area is known for. 
> 
> (I've attempted to include some pictures from the Fall Fondo ride. Hopefully 
> I will be successful). 
> 
> I was initially hesitant about the Bosco bars but am now a total convert. The 
> handlebars are very comfortable and I don't feel that the riding position 
> affects the speed of the bike at all. 
> 
> If you are on the fence about a Hubbuhubbuh then I say go for it!! You won't 
> regret a single minute spent together on one.  
> 
> If you are interested in a Burley Rumba as a cheap starter tandem and live 
> within a reasonable distance of Vermontville, MI then send me a message.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Mike
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[RBW] How to get a wide range Bikepacking 5 or 6 speed cassette?

2020-05-17 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

On my Proto-Gus I've been riding the 1x11 that Riv built up and it works well
for what it is. However, part of what it is is fussy, and this plays poorly
with my own fussiness. Sardonic grin. High torque mountain riding and
waffer-thin mint cogs require fine calibration and my ogre riding and it are
starting to have disagreements. In general, I shift 2-3 gears at a time.
However, I LOVE the wide range it offers, and I love the 1x simplicity. Oh, and
I'd love to shift back to friction shifting and the new Silver Surfer Shifter.
Grin.

Range: 30 (front) x 11/46 yields 18" x 80", a range I'd love to keep.

Ideas for how such wide-range (18"-80") 5-6 gear (but 8 or 9 if needed would
work) friction shifting beastie might be had?

Options I see:

- Could my current wheel lose it's cassette, gain Surly cassette cogs for the
22-13 range, and then ??? for the bigger cogs?

- Sun Race offers an 8 speed 11-40t that might work. (They have a lot of
options for others building up the Gus/Suzie as well).

- BoxComponents.com has a 9 speed 11-50 (pricy), all steel I'd read somewhere
about a wide range steel 8 or 9 speed cassette start-up, but can't find it now.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Dynamo Hub Recommendations

Eric, I've put SP Hubs on "Nice" bikes too; I just don't think I'd throw down 
$240+ on a SON hub unless it was a bike that was worthy. SP's are (or were) 
good for those builds where you want something a little nicer than a Shimano, 
but a SON is out of the question. Ideal for a Clem., even a Cheviot or a Sam, 
but any nicer than that I am likely to want the SON. My exception to that would 
be some thru-axle applications and some of my recent builds where I  have a 
second set of wheels. One set of wheels might be nicer than the other. SON on 
the primary set & SP on the second set. 

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[RBW] How to get a wide range Bikepacking 5 or 6 speed cassette?

I honestly don't think dropping below 7 speeds will gain you any durability and 
if you are running 1X you'll surely miss the additional intermediate gears. 
7 spead Shimano Deore was pretty much bullit proof with the advantage of having 
an awesome indexing thumb shifter ( switchable to friction) the downside is 
those systems were meant to be run 2X so the old stuff likely won't work 
anywayz the rear derailleur probably has a max capacity of 36(?)
Now Shimano makes some modern 7/8/9 speed stuff that the sell for lower level 
bikes, similar to what Rivendell puts on Clems.
I am running Altus 9 Speed rear on my Clementine. But did you need freewheel or 
Cassette?

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[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-17 Thread John Bokman

I don't know, but that old black was the nicest I've ever seen! That color 
really pops. Although I've got an Orange Sam, I'd be mighty tempted to get 
another in Black, assuming the dimensions/specs are the same on the 
forthcoming iteration.

On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 5:29:13 PM UTC-7, Grady Wright wrote:
>
> The Email Newsletter from Rivendell yesterday mentioned Sam Hillbornes are 
> coming later this year and maybe in an older Rivendell color. Any guesses 
> what that color could be?

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[RBW] Re: In Praise of RBW

2020-05-17 Thread Nathan Mattia

All this is soo true!
I called a month ago for a Large Royal Trunksack, after hearing crickets 
here on the forum for a month when I put out a WTB notice.
Turns out they never actually put Large Royal Trunksack into circulation. 
 They don’t really exist.  
But you know what, they had one at RivHQ in the back.  It even had a 
missing rivet, so Will sold it to me at a significant discount.
I am loyal for life now.  

On Friday, May 15, 2020 at 3:10:34 PM UTC-5, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> Wow, that's great!  I have to imagine some luck went into that as well, 
> but needless to say RBW doesn't treat obsolescence the way most bike makers 
> do. I'm more of an email than a call kind of person, which doesn't really 
> jive with RBW's preferences, and I find I sometimes don't get responses, or 
> they're slow.  But I know it's a dedicated group there so no hard feelings 
> about it. 
>

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[RBW] How to get a wide range Bikepacking 5 or 6 speed cassette?

It can gain you at least theoretical durability if you manage to increase the 
flange to flange distance for greater spoke bracing angle.

Pairing a Single Speed Cassette hub with 5-6 cogs will get you there. Almost 
"old school" at this point, but certainly a viable option. 

Further reading here: 
https://forums.mtbr.com/29er-bikes/6-speed-cassette-ss-hub-please-post-your-setup-573783.html

And here: https://blog.jonesbikes.com/6-speed-cassettes/

Enjoy the trip down the rabbit hole.

Clayton Scott 
HBG, CA

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[RBW] Re: How to get a wide range Bikepacking 5 or 6 speed cassette?

2020-05-17 Thread Kurt Manley

Did you see this Box cassette? $69  9 speed cassette in 11-46 or 11-50

https://www.boxcomponents.com/Box-Three-Prime-9-Cassette-Black_2

One thing I'd wonder about would be friction shifting with a clutch 
derailleur. The tension is pretty high, would the shifter be able to hold? 
I have no experience but maybe someone here has tried. 


On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 12:43:54 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> On my Proto-Gus I've been riding the 1x11 that Riv built up and it works 
> well for what it is. However, part of what it is is fussy, and this plays 
> poorly with my own fussiness. Sardonic grin. High torque mountain riding 
> and waffer-thin mint cogs require fine calibration and my ogre riding and 
> it are starting to have disagreements. In general, I shift 2-3 gears at a 
> time. However, I LOVE the wide range it offers, and I love the 1x 
> simplicity. Oh, and I'd love to shift back to friction shifting and the new 
> Silver Surfer Shifter. Grin.
>
> Range: 30 (front) x 11/46 yields 18" x 80", a range I'd love to keep.
>
> Ideas for how such wide-range (18"-80") 5-6 gear (but 8 or 9 if needed 
> would work) friction shifting beastie might be had?
>
> Options I see:
>
> - Could my current wheel lose it's cassette, gain Surly cassette cogs for 
> the 22-13 range, and then ??? for the bigger cogs?
>
> - Sun Race offers an 8 speed 11-40t that might work. (They have a lot of 
> options for others building up the Gus/Suzie as well).
>
> - BoxComponents.com has a 9 speed 11-50 (pricy), all steel  I'd read 
> somewhere about a wide range steel 8 or 9 speed cassette start-up, but 
> can't find it now.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
> www.DeaconPatrick.org
> www.CatholicHalos.org
> www.ShepherdsandHalos.org
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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

2020-05-17 Thread 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch

Please tell us about that saddle cover. Custom leatherwork to a Berthoud?
Really nice!

David Lipsky

On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 8:46:13 AM UTC-7, j.schwartz wrote:
>
> Farmers Market Run
>

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[RBW] Re: How to get a wide range Bikepacking 5 or 6 speed cassette?

Friction shifting with clutch derailer works just as well as with clutchless 
derailer. At least for Shimano when paired with microshift.

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA

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[RBW] Re: How to get a wide range Bikepacking 5 or 6 speed cassette?

2020-05-17 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

Would I miss intermediate gears? Nah. I'd be delighted with a manual shift 
three speed that was 80", 50", 20", so long as it was hearty and solid. 
Remember, my other bikes are fixe gear. Grin.

Yeah, Clayton, I've no desire to go down a rabbit hole on this, and great 
desire to avoid doing so. Grin.

However, I'm guessing I'll end up with a Box Three Prime 9 cassette, which 
works on 11-speed hubs. Hoping it is compatable with my derailure, and I 
can shift to a friction Silver Shifter.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 2:06:57 PM UTC-6, masmojo wrote:
>
> I honestly don't think dropping below 7 speeds will gain you any 
> durability and if you are running 1X you'll surely miss the additional 
> intermediate gears. 
> 7 spead Shimano Deore was pretty much bullit proof with the advantage of 
> having an awesome indexing thumb shifter ( switchable to friction) the 
> downside is those systems were meant to be run 2X so the old stuff likely 
> won't work anywayz the rear derailleur probably has a max capacity of 36(?)
> Now Shimano makes some modern 7/8/9 speed stuff that the sell for lower 
> level bikes, similar to what Rivendell puts on Clems.
> I am running Altus 9 Speed rear on my Clementine. But did you need 
> freewheel or Cassette?

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[RBW] Re: How to get a wide range Bikepacking 5 or 6 speed cassette?

are you bending 11speed cogs? For me 11speed has been problem free for years. 

Clayton Scott
HbG, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: arnulfo Platypus

2020-05-17 Thread ascpgh

Lack of full extension of the second joint of toes. 

He had scarlet fever at 12 years (untreated strep infection: penicillin 
went to the war) presumably this was one of the outcomes of his bedrest 
duration. 

On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 11:18:53 AM UTC-4, Tirebiter ATX wrote:
>
> What are hammer toes?
>

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh 

>
> On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 6:30 AM ascpgh > 
> wrote:
>
>> I do abhor the direction the Wagner family took when asked to respect his 
>> name on a bike of great utility and they chose dollar signs over his legacy 
>> and what it could mean in contemporary use. 
>>
>> Honus played for the Pittsburgh Pirates. They trained pre-season in Hot 
>> Springs, Arkansas (the town where I grew up) alongside many other pro 
>> teams. He was very taken by the town, the natural hot springs and the 
>> people, returning after the baseball seasons often. 
>>
>> He organized and coached the first basketball team there at the high 
>> school and bought the uniforms himself. What colors? Black and gold, still 
>> the school colors to this day. [image: 
>> AB27CD01-28A1-4B77-8FF4-0794ECB8C609.JPG]
>> A sign from the Baseball Trail in Hot Springs, AR. The white tower to the 
>> right is the old Army-Navy Rehab hospital, where my dad went by train from 
>> Memphis for his West Point physical. Screened out for hammer toes, he went 
>> on to Vanderbilt. 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 8:15:25 AM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>>> I had a thought formulating before I saw Grant's response: we can blame 
>>> the estate of Honus Wagner for the preponderance of made-up names and 
>>> anagrams. The thing about names is, most of the time, in the end, the name 
>>> becomes the thing, the thing becomes the name. 
>>>
>>> When auto manufacturers use names from the animal kingdom, they often 
>>> choose ones that evoke speed and sleekness--Mustang, Impala, Cougar, Pinto. 
>>> Okay, pinto is actually a bean. And also a horse with a patched coat, not 
>>> unlike an Appaloosa. It was also a car from the Ford Motor Company known 
>>> for exploding. Here's an idea for a Rivendell bicycle name, an anagram made 
>>> from "Edsel B. Ford."
>>>
>>> My first thought about Platypus was, great name for a bike!. One that 
>>> looks like this:
>>>
>>> [image: platypus bike.jpg]
>>>
>>> But seriously, naming a bicycle "Platypus" is playful and also has 
>>> perhaps an element of thumbing the nose at the bike industry, and marketing 
>>> tenets in general. Back to what I was saying about the thing becoming the 
>>> name and vice versa, there is the perhaps apocryphal story of Picasso's 
>>> reaction to someone pointing out that the portrait he painted of Getrude 
>>> Stein doesn't actually look like Stein. In the first version, Picasso 
>>> replies, "It will." In the second version, he replies, "In a hundred years, 
>>> nobody will care what Gertrude looked like, but they will still be looking 
>>> at my painting."
>>>
>>> Gertrude Stein wrote the poem "Sacred Emily", and it has this somewhat 
>>> famous line (if lines from poetry can any longer be considered famous in 
>>> these times): 
>>>
>>> Rose is a rose is a rose is a rose
>>> Loveliness extreme.
>>> Extra gaiters,
>>> Loveliness extreme.
>>> Sweetest ice-cream.
>>> Pages ages page ages page ages. 
>>>
>>> A Rivendell by any other name smells as sweet.  - *Willy "shaking my 
>>> spear" Shakespeare*
>>>
>>> Oh, and here is the image that comes to mind when I conjure a 
>>> Winthrop-Charlene bike (Stein, coincidentally, bears a passing resemblance 
>>> to Miss Almira Gutch:
>>>
>>> [image: winthrop charlene.gif]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 3:18:18 AM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>>>
 I have been intrigued by platypusses since I was in elementary school. 
 Not yearly, it hasn't been a mind-worm, but I've always felt a little bit 
 closer to them, a little fonder of them and interested in them, than my 
 friends. When I was a teenager and young adult, whenever I came across the 
 name for whatever reason, it was like coming home, instant comfort. 
 Seriously. I know more about them than anybody in the bike business. I 
 know 
 that the Latin name doesn't include any variation of "platypus" because a 
 kind of beetle got it first. They swim with eyes closed, They have one 
 hole 
 for everything and no stomach. They use sonar, have venomous spurs, are 
 NOT 
 endangered, have been around more than 200 million years (experts argue, 
 but nobody thinks this is outrageous). There were early huge ones, three 
 feet long. 

 When Europeans started killing and stuffing them in the name of 
 science, they were accused of hoaxing. How could this animal exist? And 
 yet, it has existed 666, 667 times as long as Homo sapiens (if you 
 believe we've been here for 300,000 years (formerly 200,000), and you go 
 by 
 the 200 million year dur

[RBW] Re: How to get a wide range Bikepacking 5 or 6 speed cassette?

2020-05-17 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

I've bent 9-speed cogs, and broken a tooth or two off the big cog on the 
11-speed. 

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 2:53:06 PM UTC-6, Clayton Scott wrote:
>
> are you bending 11speed cogs? For me 11speed has been problem free for 
> years. 
>
> Clayton Scott
> HbG, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: How to get a wide range Bikepacking 5 or 6 speed cassette?

You will likely need a new derailleur if you are currently using an 11 speed 
derailleur, especially if you go to 9 or lower, because the chain is wider. But 
you can try it first with the one you've got and then change it if it doesn't 
work.

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[RBW] Re: Brake lever preference with Nitto Noodles

2020-05-17 Thread Mark Allen

I love the TRP RRL 

 
levers on my Noodles. The shape of the hoods fit better than any brake 
lever I've tried (previous favorite: 10-speed era Campy Ergopower levers). 
They also come with a shim that can be inserted in the hoods to fine tune 
the feel of the ramp transition, which may be just the ticket for your 
needs.


On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 10:45:55 AM UTC-4, Erik Wright wrote:
>
> Howdy,
>
> I have a Roadini set up with 46cm Noodles. I'm using 9spd 105 brifters 
> that I took off my old road bike, and I'm struggling to dial in the feel of 
> the hoods. This is partially due to the lever / hood design (pretty boxy 
> and bulky, don't like it that much), but I also can't work out the bar to 
> hood transition, if that makes sense. I'd like a smooth transition from the 
> top of the bar into the hood position of the lever, in effect creating a 
> feel of the bullhorn handlebar. After many micro adjustments, I just can't 
> get that with this lever/bar combo. Either the levers feel too close and 
> create a harsh/abrupt transition to the hoods, or they're too far below the 
> bend for my liking.
>
> I figured I'd switch to downtube shifters and go with the Tiagra BL-R400 that 
> Riv sells 
> 
>  
> and uses on most of their bikes, but wanted to check in and see if anyone 
> here has a different lever that they *love* with Noodles. Brakes are Paul 
> Racers, if that's a factor.
>
> Let's hear 'em!
>
> Erik, Philly
>
> p.s. Riv's out of stock with those Tiagra levers so if you have some in 
> your bin that you'd like to get rid of, consider this a low key WTB post.
>

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[RBW] Re: Brake lever preference with Nitto Noodles

2020-05-17 Thread Mark Allen

I love the TRP RRL 

 levers 
on my Noodles. The shape of the hoods fit better than any brake lever I've 
tried (previous favorite: 10-speed era Campy Ergopower levers). They also 
come with a shim that can be inserted in the hoods to fine tune the feel of 
the ramp transition, which may be just the ticket for your needs.

Mark in Toronto

On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 10:45:55 AM UTC-4, Erik Wright wrote:
>
> Howdy,
>
> I have a Roadini set up with 46cm Noodles. I'm using 9spd 105 brifters 
> that I took off my old road bike, and I'm struggling to dial in the feel of 
> the hoods. This is partially due to the lever / hood design (pretty boxy 
> and bulky, don't like it that much), but I also can't work out the bar to 
> hood transition, if that makes sense. I'd like a smooth transition from the 
> top of the bar into the hood position of the lever, in effect creating a 
> feel of the bullhorn handlebar. After many micro adjustments, I just can't 
> get that with this lever/bar combo. Either the levers feel too close and 
> create a harsh/abrupt transition to the hoods, or they're too far below the 
> bend for my liking.
>
> I figured I'd switch to downtube shifters and go with the Tiagra BL-R400 that 
> Riv sells 
> 
>  
> and uses on most of their bikes, but wanted to check in and see if anyone 
> here has a different lever that they *love* with Noodles. Brakes are Paul 
> Racers, if that's a factor.
>
> Let's hear 'em!
>
> Erik, Philly
>
> p.s. Riv's out of stock with those Tiagra levers so if you have some in 
> your bin that you'd like to get rid of, consider this a low key WTB post.
>

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[RBW] Brake lever preference with Nitto Noodles

I like these. Wish Teatro still made them without the holes though.

https://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=89002&gclid=CjwKCAjwwYP2BRBGEiwAkoBpAjh66NUUOA9hEk8Qlq6QJ2yvbFKGdgfldgFKgKCuSNdc-KVfRXxCaxoCOIIQAvD_BwE

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[RBW] Re: In Praise of RBW

Nathan: It worked! I remember telling you I wasn't sure they even existed but 
to give Will a holler. So I was kinda right and the advice worked anyway. Nice! 
😁

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[RBW] Not Buying New Goat, WTB Clem

2020-05-17 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!

Kiley, I hope you can find one - the Clem Ls seem to get kept - I have a 
secondhand one but man, they’re just so rare. BUT, the good news is that 
there’s a shipment of them arriving Julyish at Rivendell. They won’t be that 
much more than buying used, so that’s the good news, I guess. It’s just so hard 
to wait. Ugh.
Leah

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[RBW] Re: How to get a wide range Bikepacking 5 or 6 speed cassette?

2020-05-17 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

On order: Box Three Prime 9 cassette; Silver thumb shifters; Altus 
derailure. Thanks lads, for helping me think this through. I'll see how all 
parts play together. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 3:10:02 PM UTC-6, masmojo wrote:
>
> You will likely need a new derailleur if you are currently using an 11 
> speed derailleur, especially if you go to 9 or lower, because the chain is 
> wider. But you can try it first with the one you've got and then change it 
> if it doesn't work.
>
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[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-17 Thread RichS

+1 on the black and cream color combination. I have a sidepull sage green 
Sam and often wish I had the black canti version as well. Hope Riv doesn't 
change a thing on what has been for me, an exceptional bike.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 4:08:37 PM UTC-4, John Bokman wrote:
>
> I don't know, but that old black was the nicest I've ever seen! That color 
> really pops. Although I've got an Orange Sam, I'd be mighty tempted to get 
> another in Black, assuming the dimensions/specs are the same on the 
> forthcoming iteration.
>
> On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 5:29:13 PM UTC-7, Grady Wright wrote:
>>
>> The Email Newsletter from Rivendell yesterday mentioned Sam Hillbornes 
>> are coming later this year and maybe in an older Rivendell color. Any 
>> guesses what that color could be?
>
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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

2020-05-17 Thread j.schwartz

Hey David
the saddle is from Obsidian Monarch
it was a birthday gift from a friend of mine a few years ago...his friend 
makes these saddles in CA.
I think he uses old Brooks frames and stretches new leathers over them and 
does some psychedelic artwork etching in the leather.
http://www.obsidianmonarch.com

On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 4:45:31 PM UTC-4, Hetchins52 wrote:
>
> Please tell us about that saddle cover. Custom leatherwork to a Berthoud?
> Really nice!
>
> David Lipsky
>
> On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 8:46:13 AM UTC-7, j.schwartz wrote:
>>
>> Farmers Market Run
>>
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Re: [RBW] Sun Protection in Sunny Climes

2020-05-17 Thread Andrew Erman

Leah, you may already be aware of these products but there are some clothing 
that are designed to protect the active person form UV.  I have never tried 
this type of clothing in weather such as you get in Vegas.  Good luck!  As a 
recipient of 3 skin cancer surgeries, I can understand your desire for 
protection.  Best, Andy

> On May 17, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have been riding my big blue Clementine like it’s my JOB this year. I’ve 
> got 960 miles on that Blue Beauty and it’s only May, which is really good for 
> living in a car-centric suburb like mine. I wanted to do 2020 miles in 2020, 
> and the COVID crisis has put me ahead of schedule. With my husband 
> commandeering our bedroom as his office, one son Zooming his middle school 
> classes in the downstairs office, and my 2nd son Zooming 5th grade at my 
> kitchen table, there hasn’t been any places left for me in my house. It seems 
> I have no choice but to hit the road. Oh, twist my arm, why don’t you. “Are 
> you going out on your two-wheeler? Gonna hit the old dusty trail?” my husband 
> will ask. “Yes, I am doing this for YOU,” I say. 
> 
> Compounding the issue is that I never leave before one mug of coffee, and 
> that mug cannot be rushed. So, I rarely get out there before 7:30 when the 
> sun is high in the sky. This is Vegas, and it’s hot here - we are in the 90s 
> and not a cloud in the sky most recently. Enclosed is a photo of my tan line, 
> and I haven’t even spent much time in the pool yet. Yikes. I’ve been wearing 
> some non-toxic sunscreen but honestly, it’s just better to cover up. But how 
> do you cover up when it’s so hot outside? I can’t imagine wearing pants and 
> long sleeves, but I also don’t want sun damage and skin cancer, so I figured 
> I’d come here and see what you folks do. 
> 
> What clothing could I wear that would protect my skin without making me sweat 
> to death? Linen would be a good option, right? But where do you get linen 
> riding clothing? 
> 
> Thanks!
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Sun Protection in Sunny Climes

2020-05-17 Thread Leah Peterson

Andy, did you attach a link somewhere and I’m not seeing it?

I’m so sorry about your skin cancers. Ugh, really scary. I had an end stage 
melanoma patient once, and it really left an impression on me. I’m going for my 
annual dermatology visit when this crisis is over. 

Sent from my iPad

> On May 17, 2020, at 5:08 PM, Andrew Erman  wrote:
> 
> Leah, you may already be aware of these products but there are some clothing 
> that are designed to protect the active person form UV.  I have never tried 
> this type of clothing in weather such as you get in Vegas.  Good luck!  As a 
> recipient of 3 skin cancer surgeries, I can understand your desire for 
> protection.  Best, Andy
> 
>> On May 17, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have been riding my big blue Clementine like it’s my JOB this year. I’ve 
>> got 960 miles on that Blue Beauty and it’s only May, which is really good 
>> for living in a car-centric suburb like mine. I wanted to do 2020 miles in 
>> 2020, and the COVID crisis has put me ahead of schedule. With my husband 
>> commandeering our bedroom as his office, one son Zooming his middle school 
>> classes in the downstairs office, and my 2nd son Zooming 5th grade at my 
>> kitchen table, there hasn’t been any places left for me in my house. It 
>> seems I have no choice but to hit the road. Oh, twist my arm, why don’t you. 
>> “Are you going out on your two-wheeler? Gonna hit the old dusty trail?” my 
>> husband will ask. “Yes, I am doing this for YOU,” I say. 
>> 
>> Compounding the issue is that I never leave before one mug of coffee, and 
>> that mug cannot be rushed. So, I rarely get out there before 7:30 when the 
>> sun is high in the sky. This is Vegas, and it’s hot here - we are in the 90s 
>> and not a cloud in the sky most recently. Enclosed is a photo of my tan 
>> line, and I haven’t even spent much time in the pool yet. Yikes. I’ve been 
>> wearing some non-toxic sunscreen but honestly, it’s just better to cover up. 
>> But how do you cover up when it’s so hot outside? I can’t imagine wearing 
>> pants and long sleeves, but I also don’t want sun damage and skin cancer, so 
>> I figured I’d come here and see what you folks do. 
>> 
>> What clothing could I wear that would protect my skin without making me 
>> sweat to death? Linen would be a good option, right? But where do you get 
>> linen riding clothing? 
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> Leah
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[RBW] Re: How to get a wide range Bikepacking 5 or 6 speed cassette?

2020-05-17 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

Looking the specs over, I've shifted to getting the Box two x-wide group 
set and the Silver Shifters. This will give me a known working setup of the 
beefiest version, albeit annoyingly indexed, and allow me to test out 
Silver Shifter compatibility. The Altus doesn't go wide enough for cogs 
larger than 36t.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Sun Protection in Sunny Climes

2020-05-17 Thread Andrew Erman

Leah,

Here are some links.  My dermatologist said that people often don’t have sun 
related skin cancers after the 3rd one because they become more careful.  So 
far so good for me.  And I hope he is right!

Best,

Andy

https://www.roadbikerider.com/top-cycling-apparel-uv-protection/ 


https://www.rei.com/c/cycling-clothing/f/f-sun-protective-fabric 



> On May 17, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> Andy, did you attach a link somewhere and I’m not seeing it?
> 
> I’m so sorry about your skin cancers. Ugh, really scary. I had an end stage 
> melanoma patient once, and it really left an impression on me. I’m going for 
> my annual dermatology visit when this crisis is over. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On May 17, 2020, at 5:08 PM, Andrew Erman > > wrote:
>> 
>> Leah, you may already be aware of these products but there are some 
>> clothing that are designed to protect the active person form UV.  I have 
>> never tried this type of clothing in weather such as you get in Vegas.  Good 
>> luck!  As a recipient of 3 skin cancer surgeries, I can understand your 
>> desire for protection.  Best, Andy
>> 
>>> On May 17, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> mailto:jonasandle...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have been riding my big blue Clementine like it’s my JOB this year. I’ve 
>>> got 960 miles on that Blue Beauty and it’s only May, which is really good 
>>> for living in a car-centric suburb like mine. I wanted to do 2020 miles in 
>>> 2020, and the COVID crisis has put me ahead of schedule. With my husband 
>>> commandeering our bedroom as his office, one son Zooming his middle school 
>>> classes in the downstairs office, and my 2nd son Zooming 5th grade at my 
>>> kitchen table, there hasn’t been any places left for me in my house. It 
>>> seems I have no choice but to hit the road. Oh, twist my arm, why don’t 
>>> you. “Are you going out on your two-wheeler? Gonna hit the old dusty 
>>> trail?” my husband will ask. “Yes, I am doing this for YOU,” I say. 
>>> 
>>> Compounding the issue is that I never leave before one mug of coffee, and 
>>> that mug cannot be rushed. So, I rarely get out there before 7:30 when the 
>>> sun is high in the sky. This is Vegas, and it’s hot here - we are in the 
>>> 90s and not a cloud in the sky most recently. Enclosed is a photo of my tan 
>>> line, and I haven’t even spent much time in the pool yet. Yikes. I’ve been 
>>> wearing some non-toxic sunscreen but honestly, it’s just better to cover 
>>> up. But how do you cover up when it’s so hot outside? I can’t imagine 
>>> wearing pants and long sleeves, but I also don’t want sun damage and skin 
>>> cancer, so I figured I’d come here and see what you folks do. 
>>> 
>>> What clothing could I wear that would protect my skin without making me 
>>> sweat to death? Linen would be a good option, right? But where do you get 
>>> linen riding clothing? 
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> Leah
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Sun Protection in Sunny Climes

2020-05-17 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

A number of thoughts from cooler but higher altitude Colorado where all day 
bikepacking trips are a sun challenge:

- I sunburn far less since eliminating industrial oils from my diet (soy, 
canola, etc).
- Calendula oil does wonders for healing burns rapidly. Also brilliant as a 
disinfectent and for rapid healing of scrapes.
- Loose, long sleeve, lightweight chambray or similar all cotton shirt. 
Similarly for pants. Gramicci is worth looking into there.
- I wear either cotton shorts, and sunscreen as needed, or wool breeks.
- For heat, a bandana rolled up and soaked works great and refresh as 
needed. Cools the blood going up and down the neck and via evaporation.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 6:27:40 PM UTC-6, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> Andy, did you attach a link somewhere and I’m not seeing it?
>
> I’m so sorry about your skin cancers. Ugh, really scary. I had an end 
> stage melanoma patient once, and it really left an impression on me. I’m 
> going for my annual dermatology visit when this crisis is over. 
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 17, 2020, at 5:08 PM, Andrew Erman > 
> wrote:
>
> Leah, you may already be aware of these products but there are some 
> clothing that are designed to protect the active person form UV.  I have 
> never tried this type of clothing in weather such as you get in Vegas. 
>  Good luck!  As a recipient of 3 skin cancer surgeries, I can understand 
> your desire for protection.  Best, Andy
>
> On May 17, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  > wrote:
>
> I have been riding my big blue Clementine like it’s my JOB this year. I’ve 
> got 960 miles on that Blue Beauty and it’s only May, which is really good 
> for living in a car-centric suburb like mine. I wanted to do 2020 miles in 
> 2020, and the COVID crisis has put me ahead of schedule. With my husband 
> commandeering our bedroom as his office, one son Zooming his middle school 
> classes in the downstairs office, and my 2nd son Zooming 5th grade at my 
> kitchen table, there hasn’t been any places left for me in my house. It 
> seems I have no choice but to hit the road. Oh, twist my arm, why don’t 
> you. “Are you going out on your two-wheeler? Gonna hit the old dusty 
> trail?” my husband will ask. “Yes, I am doing this for YOU,” I say. 
>
> Compounding the issue is that I never leave before one mug of coffee, and 
> that mug cannot be rushed. So, I rarely get out there before 7:30 when the 
> sun is high in the sky. This is Vegas, and it’s hot here - we are in the 
> 90s and not a cloud in the sky most recently. Enclosed is a photo of my tan 
> line, and I haven’t even spent much time in the pool yet. Yikes. I’ve been 
> wearing some non-toxic sunscreen but honestly, it’s just better to cover 
> up. But how do you cover up when it’s so hot outside? I can’t imagine 
> wearing pants and long sleeves, but I also don’t want sun damage and skin 
> cancer, so I figured I’d come here and see what you folks do. 
>
> What clothing could I wear that would protect my skin without making me 
> sweat to death? Linen would be a good option, right? But where do you get 
> linen riding clothing? 
>
> Thanks!
> Leah
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[RBW] WTB: Front Derailler. Pletscher double leg.

2020-05-17 Thread Drw

looking for 

-front derailler for roadini that'll shift a triple crank/9 speed. 31.8, i 
believe, and bottom pull.

-pletscher double leg kickstand. preferable uncut or very little cut. not 
interested in other double leg kickstands. black or silver is fine.

Thanks

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Re: [RBW] Sun Protection in Sunny Climes

Leah, This may sound odd, but I have several Motorcross shirts. (I think 
they make ladies as well) or you could look at mountain biking jerseys I 
have one by Kona
The things I like about these:
- Long Sleeve
- Variety of designs from Subdued to High Vis
- light weight mesh material that is not tight or form fitting, but not too 
baggy either, breaths pretty well and I am not terrible uncomfortable until 
it gets to the high 80's and even then it's OK as log as the sun isn't 
beating down your neck or there's a decent breeze. Above 88 or so & I am 
gonna go short sleeve and likely a cycling jersey of some sort.
 I saw some branded Santa Cruz on Epay for pretty cheap and ladies MTB 
jerseys can be cheap on there too.

As soon as it gets hot i start riding on the shady side of the street!!!

https://troyleedesigns.com/collections/new-arrival-jerseys   (check out the 
Sale section as well)

Fox, Has stuff like this; Maybe not ideal, but might give you some 
idea's??: 
https://www.foxracing.com/womens-ranger-drirelease%C2%AE-3%2F4-jersey/23239.html?dwvar_23239_color=001&dwvar_23239_size=XS&cgid=sale-mtb#prefn1=gender&prefv1=female&start=13

Might be some women's oriented stuff? Terry maybe?

Oh Yeah! 
http://www.terrybicycles.com/Apparel/Cycling-Tops?gclid=CjwKCAjwwYP2BRBGEiwAkoBpAgtdXnDwyndkH7BK8xfc4tceM5_IkN1pWa2GN5x4PKxuSXR8XpqcsRoCa1YQAvD_BwE&matchtype=e&keyword=terry+bikes&clicktype=sitelink&device=c&creative=100489492038

I feel like I should apologize; it certainly seems like the lions share of 
this type thing is Male oriented! 


Mas

On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 7:27:40 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> Andy, did you attach a link somewhere and I’m not seeing it?
>
> I’m so sorry about your skin cancers. Ugh, really scary. I had an end 
> stage melanoma patient once, and it really left an impression on me. I’m 
> going for my annual dermatology visit when this crisis is over. 
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 17, 2020, at 5:08 PM, Andrew Erman > 
> wrote:
>
> Leah, you may already be aware of these products but there are some 
> clothing that are designed to protect the active person form UV.  I have 
> never tried this type of clothing in weather such as you get in Vegas. 
>  Good luck!  As a recipient of 3 skin cancer surgeries, I can understand 
> your desire for protection.  Best, Andy
>
> On May 17, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  > wrote:
>
> I have been riding my big blue Clementine like it’s my JOB this year. I’ve 
> got 960 miles on that Blue Beauty and it’s only May, which is really good 
> for living in a car-centric suburb like mine. I wanted to do 2020 miles in 
> 2020, and the COVID crisis has put me ahead of schedule. With my husband 
> commandeering our bedroom as his office, one son Zooming his middle school 
> classes in the downstairs office, and my 2nd son Zooming 5th grade at my 
> kitchen table, there hasn’t been any places left for me in my house. It 
> seems I have no choice but to hit the road. Oh, twist my arm, why don’t 
> you. “Are you going out on your two-wheeler? Gonna hit the old dusty 
> trail?” my husband will ask. “Yes, I am doing this for YOU,” I say. 
>
> Compounding the issue is that I never leave before one mug of coffee, and 
> that mug cannot be rushed. So, I rarely get out there before 7:30 when the 
> sun is high in the sky. This is Vegas, and it’s hot here - we are in the 
> 90s and not a cloud in the sky most recently. Enclosed is a photo of my tan 
> line, and I haven’t even spent much time in the pool yet. Yikes. I’ve been 
> wearing some non-toxic sunscreen but honestly, it’s just better to cover 
> up. But how do you cover up when it’s so hot outside? I can’t imagine 
> wearing pants and long sleeves, but I also don’t want sun damage and skin 
> cancer, so I figured I’d come here and see what you folks do. 
>
> What clothing could I wear that would protect my skin without making me 
> sweat to death? Linen would be a good option, right? But where do you get 
> linen riding clothing? 
>
> Thanks!
> Leah
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[RBW] WTB: Front Derailler. Pletscher double leg.

I have a new take-off Tiagra that might work for you. It's a double but looks 
just like the double Riv puts on Sugino triples. Email me for pics and price 
discussions if you're interested. 

joeremi62@ mail com

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[RBW] WTB: Front Derailler. Pletscher double leg.

Let's try that again. 

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[RBW] Re: Sun Protection in Sunny Climes

2020-05-17 Thread Craig Montgomery

Greetings from the Great Southwest.

[image: White Tootsies.jpg]



Here you go Leah. Some good examples. I've worn Railrider stuff. Pretty 
good and some are "caped."  

https://www.railriders.com/women-outdoor-clothing-sun-protection-clothing-c-125_138.html

But I prefer 100% cotton and, yes, you should be wearing long sleeves or 
SPF arm covers. L.L. Bean has shirts are "caped" also, a slit on the back 
with a mesh lining for cooling. 

https://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/512894?page=womens-sun-protection

I won't suggest cycling clothing. Too tight fitting and doesn't breath 
(polyester) no matter what they tell you.  Back in the old days you could 
get cotton cycling stuff but the marketers have nixed that. We're lucky 
because a good tight weave cotton (like from L.L. Bean or Cabelas) is 
excellent in our low humidity climate. Loose fitting clothes will press 
against you then pull away from your skin pulling moisture with it, 
enhancing evaporative cooling. I like the RailRider stuff, even though it's 
oil based nylon, because it's loose fitting and very thin. Does the 
flapping thing quite well. 

And get yourself up Charleston Peak. Some fun high elevation riding. 

Craig in Tucson

On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 4:58:35 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> I have been riding my big blue Clementine like it’s my JOB this year. I’ve 
> got 960 miles on that Blue Beauty and it’s only May, which is really good 
> for living in a car-centric suburb like mine. I wanted to do 2020 miles in 
> 2020, and the COVID crisis has put me ahead of schedule. With my husband 
> commandeering our bedroom as his office, one son Zooming his middle school 
> classes in the downstairs office, and my 2nd son Zooming 5th grade at my 
> kitchen table, there hasn’t been any places left for me in my house. It 
> seems I have no choice but to hit the road. Oh, twist my arm, why don’t 
> you. “Are you going out on your two-wheeler? Gonna hit the old dusty 
> trail?” my husband will ask. “Yes, I am doing this for YOU,” I say. 
>
> Compounding the issue is that I never leave before one mug of coffee, and 
> that mug cannot be rushed. So, I rarely get out there before 7:30 when the 
> sun is high in the sky. This is Vegas, and it’s hot here - we are in the 
> 90s and not a cloud in the sky most recently. Enclosed is a photo of my tan 
> line, and I haven’t even spent much time in the pool yet. Yikes. I’ve been 
> wearing some non-toxic sunscreen but honestly, it’s just better to cover 
> up. But how do you cover up when it’s so hot outside? I can’t imagine 
> wearing pants and long sleeves, but I also don’t want sun damage and skin 
> cancer, so I figured I’d come here and see what you folks do. 
>
> What clothing could I wear that would protect my skin without making me 
> sweat to death? Linen would be a good option, right? But where do you get 
> linen riding clothing? 
>
> Thanks!
> Leah
>

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[RBW] Re: Sun Protection in Sunny Climes

2020-05-17 Thread 'Eric Myers' via RBW Owners Bunch

Hi Leah,

I'm in Sacramento where we have a similar hot and dry conditions, though a
little cooler than Vegas, I think.

My recommendation is to get the lightest weight, 100% merino wool, long
sleeve base layer or t-shirt you can find. 150 weight or lower, not 250.
Get a good one that is soft, not cheap and scratchy. Slightly loose but
not baggy is good. Women's often come in lighter colors, which is also
good. Wool is sort of a miracle fiber, it wicks and breathes better than
any synthetic I've found, doesn't feel clammy and dries quickly, and
doesn't even need to be washed as often as other materials. It also
hangs/drapes better than cotton. Bonus is that you can also wear the same
shirt as insulation in the winter.

I wear a long sleeve merino T or base layer as sunscreen on the bike, on
snow, and on the water. It can still get warm, but the wicking and
breathability combine to beat everything else I've ever tried. I've worn
cotton, linen, ramie, and rayon in knits and weaves and some seersucker.
None of them worked as well, or looked better with sweat marks, or dried
as fast and comfortably as light weight wool. I actually wear merino dress
shirts for the same reasons.

I wish I had something as useful to suggest for pants. I still use
sunscreen on the hands, and on the face and neck when a hat won't work.
Sometimes I wear a buff or bandana for the neck instead.

Cheers,
Eric

[RBW] Re: Sun Protection in Sunny Climes

2020-05-17 Thread velomann

For hot weather touring my clothing is pretty dialed in, simple, and 
inexpensive. Loose, knee length synthetic hiking shorts, preferably 
gusseted so the seam isn't up the middle, with a padded cycling liner 
underneath. Get a liner that can be worn alone if you want - I like the one 
from REI. I like Patagonia Gi shorts but there's lots of options. For a 
shirt I like a loose fitting long sleeve cotton/poly blend UV protection 
shirt with a back vent. I get them at Goodwill for about 10 bucks. Columbia 
Sportswear is a common brand but lots of others make similar items. And a 
bandana around my neck always, wetted when opportunity arises.
Last summer I did a two-week, 900 mile tour in that outfit. One shirt, one 
pair of shorts, two liners, one bandana. On-road temps occasionally at 100, 
a lot of afternoons in the upper 80s-90s. 

Mike M

On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 4:58:35 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> I have been riding my big blue Clementine like it’s my JOB this year. I’ve 
> got 960 miles on that Blue Beauty and it’s only May, which is really good 
> for living in a car-centric suburb like mine. I wanted to do 2020 miles in 
> 2020, and the COVID crisis has put me ahead of schedule. With my husband 
> commandeering our bedroom as his office, one son Zooming his middle school 
> classes in the downstairs office, and my 2nd son Zooming 5th grade at my 
> kitchen table, there hasn’t been any places left for me in my house. It 
> seems I have no choice but to hit the road. Oh, twist my arm, why don’t 
> you. “Are you going out on your two-wheeler? Gonna hit the old dusty 
> trail?” my husband will ask. “Yes, I am doing this for YOU,” I say. 
>
> Compounding the issue is that I never leave before one mug of coffee, and 
> that mug cannot be rushed. So, I rarely get out there before 7:30 when the 
> sun is high in the sky. This is Vegas, and it’s hot here - we are in the 
> 90s and not a cloud in the sky most recently. Enclosed is a photo of my tan 
> line, and I haven’t even spent much time in the pool yet. Yikes. I’ve been 
> wearing some non-toxic sunscreen but honestly, it’s just better to cover 
> up. But how do you cover up when it’s so hot outside? I can’t imagine 
> wearing pants and long sleeves, but I also don’t want sun damage and skin 
> cancer, so I figured I’d come here and see what you folks do. 
>
> What clothing could I wear that would protect my skin without making me 
> sweat to death? Linen would be a good option, right? But where do you get 
> linen riding clothing? 
>
> Thanks!
> Leah
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: arnulfo Platypus

2020-05-17 Thread Lyman Labry

Andy,
Thanks for the explanation. Good to know what people used to deal with 100
years ago. We take so much for granted health wise today.
Lyman Labry
Austin

On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 3:54 PM ascpgh  wrote:

> Lack of full extension of the second joint of toes.
>
> He had scarlet fever at 12 years (untreated strep infection: penicillin
> went to the war) presumably this was one of the outcomes of his bedrest
> duration.
>
> On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 11:18:53 AM UTC-4, Tirebiter ATX wrote:
>>
>> What are hammer toes?
>>
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>>
>> On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 6:30 AM ascpgh  wrote:
>>
> I do abhor the direction the Wagner family took when asked to respect his
>>> name on a bike of great utility and they chose dollar signs over his legacy
>>> and what it could mean in contemporary use.
>>>
>>> Honus played for the Pittsburgh Pirates. They trained pre-season in Hot
>>> Springs, Arkansas (the town where I grew up) alongside many other pro
>>> teams. He was very taken by the town, the natural hot springs and the
>>> people, returning after the baseball seasons often.
>>>
>>> He organized and coached the first basketball team there at the high
>>> school and bought the uniforms himself. What colors? Black and gold, still
>>> the school colors to this day. [image:
>>> AB27CD01-28A1-4B77-8FF4-0794ECB8C609.JPG]
>>> A sign from the Baseball Trail in Hot Springs, AR. The white tower to
>>> the right is the old Army-Navy Rehab hospital, where my dad went by train
>>> from Memphis for his West Point physical. Screened out for hammer toes, he
>>> went on to Vanderbilt.
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 8:15:25 AM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>>>
 I had a thought formulating before I saw Grant's response: we can blame
 the estate of Honus Wagner for the preponderance of made-up names and
 anagrams. The thing about names is, most of the time, in the end, the name
 becomes the thing, the thing becomes the name.

 When auto manufacturers use names from the animal kingdom, they often
 choose ones that evoke speed and sleekness--Mustang, Impala, Cougar, Pinto.
 Okay, pinto is actually a bean. And also a horse with a patched coat, not
 unlike an Appaloosa. It was also a car from the Ford Motor Company known
 for exploding. Here's an idea for a Rivendell bicycle name, an anagram made
 from "Edsel B. Ford."

 My first thought about Platypus was, great name for a bike!. One that
 looks like this:

 [image: platypus bike.jpg]

 But seriously, naming a bicycle "Platypus" is playful and also has
 perhaps an element of thumbing the nose at the bike industry, and marketing
 tenets in general. Back to what I was saying about the thing becoming the
 name and vice versa, there is the perhaps apocryphal story of Picasso's
 reaction to someone pointing out that the portrait he painted of Getrude
 Stein doesn't actually look like Stein. In the first version, Picasso
 replies, "It will." In the second version, he replies, "In a hundred years,
 nobody will care what Gertrude looked like, but they will still be looking
 at my painting."

 Gertrude Stein wrote the poem "Sacred Emily", and it has this somewhat
 famous line (if lines from poetry can any longer be considered famous in
 these times):

 Rose is a rose is a rose is a rose
 Loveliness extreme.
 Extra gaiters,
 Loveliness extreme.
 Sweetest ice-cream.
 Pages ages page ages page ages.

 A Rivendell by any other name smells as sweet.  - *Willy "shaking my
 spear" Shakespeare*

 Oh, and here is the image that comes to mind when I conjure a
 Winthrop-Charlene bike (Stein, coincidentally, bears a passing resemblance
 to Miss Almira Gutch:

 [image: winthrop charlene.gif]

 On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 3:18:18 AM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:

> I have been intrigued by platypusses since I was in elementary school.
> Not yearly, it hasn't been a mind-worm, but I've always felt a little bit
> closer to them, a little fonder of them and interested in them, than my
> friends. When I was a teenager and young adult, whenever I came across the
> name for whatever reason, it was like coming home, instant comfort.
> Seriously. I know more about them than anybody in the bike business. I 
> know
> that the Latin name doesn't include any variation of "platypus" because a
> kind of beetle got it first. They swim with eyes closed, They have one 
> hole
> for everything and no stomach. They use sonar, have venomous spurs, are 
> NOT
> endangered, have been around more than 200 million years (experts argue,
> but nobody thinks this is outrageous). There were early huge ones, three
> feet long.
>
> When Europeans started killing and stuffing them in the name of
> scienc

[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-17 Thread Eamon Nordquist

The newest MIT Atlantis models do seem to have gotten even longer than the 
first round. I personally wouldn’t be able to fit dropbars to one without it 
going a size too small, and having way more stem and seat post than I would be 
happy with (short stem notwithstanding). I do hope the new Hillbornes haven’t 
gotten longer. The roster is pretty chock full of long bikes. Could be what 
others want, though. Who knows?

Eamon
Seattle 

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[RBW] Silver shifter upkeep

2020-05-17 Thread J L

Hello everyone,

I have had a few sets of silver shifter #1. Every now and then one of them has 
excessive play in the internals. Thicker washers don't help. Tightening it 
doesn't help. Does anyone have a trick for these to help adjust the tolerance? 
It feels as if the internals are clamped tight but the level body can still be 
wiggled side to aide with the slightest touch. Worn paul internally? 

I have tons of washers, square hole washers, and several sets of shifters so 
I’m open to try just about anything. If there Isn't a fix I’m not to sad about 
it.

Thanks
Jason
SF, CA

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[RBW] WTB: Front Derailler. Pletscher double leg.

2020-05-17 Thread Drw

Got joes derailleur. Still looking for a pletscher 2 leg

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[RBW] Re: Sun Protection in Sunny Climes