[RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

[Mark Roland]

Good choice! A Roadini will be the perfect compliment to the Fargo. Some 
summer anticipation!

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 5:34:43 PM UTC-4, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
> I just pre-ordered a 54cm Orange Roadini from Rivendell. I've had only 1 
> bike for the last 3 years (Salsa Fargo Ti with Jones bars and Schwalbe 
> G-One 27.5 x 2.8 tires) 1 x 11 XT drivetrain and dropper post. I can ride 
> it all day long in any terrain and love it. So this is a big deal for me. I 
> looked at the Crust Bombora and BMC Road+ but ultimately decided on a Riv. 
> Feels good and looking forward to building it up when it arrives.
>
> Bruce in San Diego
> On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 6:56:29 PM UTC-7, Dave Grossman wrote:
>>
>> I bought a Roadini frameset a over a year ago and finally got around to 
>> building it up during the crisis.  As a father of small children, my time 
>> to ride outside of family rides and commuting is limited, so I was hesitant 
>> to put money into a road bike.  I couldn't be more glad that I did.
>>
>> The bike is the most unaggressive-aggressive bike I have owned.  It has a 
>> terrific riding position (I have a 90 pbh and bought the 61 to be on a 
>> "bigger" bike and it was a good choice), and I feel like I am in the bike 
>> as opposed to feeling like a rock in a slingshot.  It does everything a 
>> road bike should do, and I don't get off feeling beaten by the road.  
>> Anyhow, thanks to Grant for making a bike unlike any other bike brand 
>> today.  I'm proud to be a two Riv garage (I have a Hunq also).
>>
>> Build:
>> Nitto Ui-12 31.8 Stem
>> Salsa Woodchipper Bars 46cm
>> Dura Ace 7400 Cranks (49/39)
>> Dura Ace 7700 Bar Ends
>> Sram 11-34 9 speed Cassette
>> Deore 9 RD
>> Sora FD
>> Mavic CXP 33s Laced To CK Classics
>> Schwalbe One 28s
>> Berthoud Saddle
>>
>>
>> I'll get a pic up soon.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe's Custom

[Mark Roland]

Say what?!! Need a spoiler alert--I'm only a few chapters into The Two 
Towers with Mack, and it's all new to me again, after half a century or so.

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 12:36:28 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
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> ...Like Gandalf the Grey —> Gandalf the White.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe's Custom

[Mark Roland]

Well that was borderline rude.Beautiful looking bicycle frameset. I look 
forward to seeing the build! All silver? Mix of silver and black would be 
my choice with this color palette. Are you planning on fenders? Black 
fenders would be killer on this rig.

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 7:01:21 AM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> Say what?!! Need a spoiler alert--I'm only a few chapters into The Two 
> Towers with Mack, and it's all new to me again, after half a century or so.
>
> On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 12:36:28 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>>
>> ...Like Gandalf the Grey —> Gandalf the White.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bread (and bikes)

[Garth]

  Oh Yes ! The frozen pound cake  and frozen zucchini and pumpkin quick 
breads  and of course even cookies.  While I don't eat any of that 
anymore, I do freeze nice and very ripe bananas, peeled and left whole. 
Utter magnificence. I also refrigerate them after they get nice and ripe 
and they keep for at least a week. I They can get very dark on the outside 
and remain perfect inside, What I grew up with as a "ripe banana" , the 
yellow with a green tip, I cannot even touch anymore. Those 
once-in-a-great-while Dairy Queen treats of a banana milkshake/banana split 
would have tasted so much better with real ripe bananas !  Frozen grapes 
are awesome too, as is very ripe pineapple, but to get it that way you 
gotta know how to pick them and let them sit around for awhile until they 
ooze sweetness. 

The bananas and pineapple I cook with oatmeal, rice and masa flour(Maseca 
Tamal in particular) every day. Not to mention berries, apples, plantains, 
stone fruits and raisins. 

Back to bread though, I assume you're using a decent brand of freezer bags 
? 


On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 12:32:42 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
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> Patrick Moore, who remembers as a teenager eating his mother's frozen 
> pound cake right out of the freezer (pound cake popsicles!).
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe's Custom

[Melanie]

Gorgeous. It’s a brilliant combo of subtle + exciting. So have you chosen the 
components yet?

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Re: [RBW] 30 Days of Biking!

[ANDREW LETTON]

Why stop at 30 days, Leah?!?!

Just ride. 

cheers,
Andrew
(Painstakingly pecked out on my iPhone; please pardon my brevity and tpyos.)

> On 30 Apr 2020, at 2:37 pm, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> Mas - copperheads on your ride? Oh my gosh. Just NO. 
> 
> I’m one of those people who has a family that wants to spend time together 
> and make my plans for me. Weight-lifting and a game of Whist were on the 
> agenda and I’d have to fit a shower in there, too. So, I had to set out 
> earlier than I wanted, sun high in the sky, 91 degrees and miserable. I did 
> 11.5 miles and got to experience twilight the last few miles. I do so love 
> riding in the dark because all the houses on my Top Secret Trail have their 
> windows illuminated - like fish bowls.  I can look in them and see what 
> people are doing. Which sounds voyeuristic and maybe it is, but there is 
> something enthralling about seeing folks sitting down to dinners together and 
> playing with their kids or sitting on their fairy light-lit patios. The world 
> is going on, and people are making their own ways and here we all are, in 
> this together.
> 
> A chain link fence borders one side of my TST, and someone had ripped apart 
> the book The Three Little Pigs, laminated and hole punched it, and zip tied 
> the pages to the chain link fence at intervals. Genius. There were little 
> kids careening on their tiny little bicycles, and one kid on a BMX bike who I 
> thought was for sure going to take me out in a head-on collision. He zoomed 
> into his lane with a couple seconds to spare and I wanted to congratulate 
> him. 
> 
> My iPhone pinged and when I stopped and checked, I discovered I had been the 
> subject of some voyeurism myself! An acquaintance from church saw me from her 
> window and snapped a photo. “Biker in her natural habitat,” the caption read. 
> 
> The roadies mostly ignore me (I’m not like a REAL cyclist) but the mountain 
> bikers are always such bros. Oh, and I forgot to tell you that last night I 
> crossed paths with a woman on a powder blue beach cruiser, decked out with 
> fenders and cup holder and I remembered Grant admonishing us to remark 
> favorably on other people’s bikes. “Hey, we’re twins!” I said. She beamed, “I 
> just got this bike...TODAY!”
> 
> I’m going to miss this thread. Tomorrow is our last day of #30daysofbiking. 
> 
> Leah
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>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 12:58 PM, masmojo  wrote:
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>> Google research says Copperhead!?
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[RBW] Re: Fancy Cheviot!

[Tom Wyland]

The RBW Blue color is super impressive in person.  I happen to see one at 
Analog Cycles before they moved North.

Tom

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 5:10:45 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:
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> Thanks for the pics.  I do LOVE LOVE LOVE the RBW blue.  I once sent Leah 
> a picture of a bike color I was drooling over "I WANT THAT COLOR BIKE!!!"  
> She then told me it was the RBW blue, but in the sunset.  It went from 
> lovely to lovely-er.  
>
> Oh, I hope the new Chev comes in that color!
>
> And, I hope you get a new bebe to grow up with your current cutie-pie bebe.
>
> Roberta
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

[ANDREW ERMAN]

I hope you love yours as much as I do mine.  Superb ride.  Comfortable.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 2:34 PM Bruce Smitham  wrote:

> I just pre-ordered a 54cm Orange Roadini from Rivendell. I've had only 1
> bike for the last 3 years (Salsa Fargo Ti with Jones bars and Schwalbe
> G-One 27.5 x 2.8 tires) 1 x 11 XT drivetrain and dropper post. I can ride
> it all day long in any terrain and love it. So this is a big deal for me. I
> looked at the Crust Bombora and BMC Road+ but ultimately decided on a Riv.
> Feels good and looking forward to building it up when it arrives.
>
> Bruce in San Diego
> On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 6:56:29 PM UTC-7, Dave Grossman wrote:
>>
>> I bought a Roadini frameset a over a year ago and finally got around to
>> building it up during the crisis.  As a father of small children, my time
>> to ride outside of family rides and commuting is limited, so I was hesitant
>> to put money into a road bike.  I couldn't be more glad that I did.
>>
>> The bike is the most unaggressive-aggressive bike I have owned.  It has a
>> terrific riding position (I have a 90 pbh and bought the 61 to be on a
>> "bigger" bike and it was a good choice), and I feel like I am in the bike
>> as opposed to feeling like a rock in a slingshot.  It does everything a
>> road bike should do, and I don't get off feeling beaten by the road.
>> Anyhow, thanks to Grant for making a bike unlike any other bike brand
>> today.  I'm proud to be a two Riv garage (I have a Hunq also).
>>
>> Build:
>> Nitto Ui-12 31.8 Stem
>> Salsa Woodchipper Bars 46cm
>> Dura Ace 7400 Cranks (49/39)
>> Dura Ace 7700 Bar Ends
>> Sram 11-34 9 speed Cassette
>> Deore 9 RD
>> Sora FD
>> Mavic CXP 33s Laced To CK Classics
>> Schwalbe One 28s
>> Berthoud Saddle
>>
>>
>> I'll get a pic up soon.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Hemp twine Bay Area

[ANDREW ERMAN]

I have some Rivendell.  Tell me how many inches you want and I will mail it
to you.  Andy

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:51 PM Eric G@rs  wrote:

> I am looking for some hemp twine to re-wrap my handlebars and Riv is all
> out. Does anyone know where to find some in the Bay Area or have any that
> they'd like to sell to me? Lowes has jute twine, but it is pretty thick and
> scratchy. I live in the mission in SF, but willing to drive to the east bay
> or peninsula to get it.
>
> Eric G@rs
> SF
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[RBW] Re: 30 Days of Biking!

[truegolden]

Yes, Nathan very similar bikes.

I owned a very customized 1983 Expedition similar to yours and subsequently did 
2 self contained bike tours on it of one month each back in 08 and 09. I was 
loaded up with 60 pounds of gear and supplies and 
toured with a friend who also had an Expedition.

The Expeditions performed very well for those trips.

One trip was across Nevada on Hwy 50 in July. The other was about 30 miles 
south of Denver all the way to Yellowstone National Park.

I have very fond memories of both trip. They were quite challenging but very 
rewarding adventures for me.

These vintage tourers are no Rivs but have some good qualities for more budget 
oriented builds.

Paul in Dallas 
"Never lose the wonder of it all."

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe's Custom

[Joe Bernard]

About parts. I'm starting with stuff I have around here, most of it off my 
recent Clem L (plus a 650B wheelset from a bigger Clem H I had). It will indeed 
be a black/silver mix, but this is just a starting point. I'm probably going to 
end up hitting up James and Candice at Analog for a fancy tubeless-compatible 
wheelset, which may have blingy red hubs. But I need to see it built up with 
non-blingy silver wheels first to decide if adding more red will be too much. 
The adventure soon begins!   

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[RBW] Re: Hemp twine Bay Area

[Mike Godwin]

Cotton string from Ace Hardware works very well
Mike SLO CA

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 3:51:42 PM UTC-7, Eric G@rs wrote:

> I am looking for some hemp twine to re-wrap my handlebars and Riv is all 
> out. Does anyone know where to find some in the Bay Area or have any that 
> they'd like to sell to me? Lowes has jute twine, but it is pretty thick and 
> scratchy. I live in the mission in SF, but willing to drive to the east bay 
> or peninsula to get it. 
>
> Eric G@rs
> SF
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56cm, 26" wheeled Toyo Atlantis

[Christopher Cote]

I've received a few emails asking about the geometry of the bike. I had 
assumed that since this is the Rivendell list, that everyone here has 
memorized all the Riv bike geometries since the first catalog. I guess I'm 
the only one weird like that, so here's a link to the original geo:

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/atlantis/atlflyer/04.html

Additionally, the standover height with the RTP tires is 83cm to the top of 
the top tube, in the center (sloping top tube, so it's a bit less at the 
seatpost, more at the stem). I got a quote for shipping to SoCal from 
shipbikes.com for $100. Looks suspiciously low, but I haven't shipped a 
complete bike in many years.

Chris



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>
> I'm reluctantly putting my Atlantis up for sale. I'm sure I will regret 
> doing this, but it's not really filling a necessary niche in my bike stable 
> at this point. This is a Toyo built Atlantis from the early 2000s. Frame 
> size is 56cm and the wheels are 26". I bought the frameset used on this 
> list last year and built it up with a mix of parts on hand and new stuff. 
> The paint on the frame and fork has plenty of honest beausage. The worst of 
> which has been touched up with some sparkly green nail polish that looks OK 
> from 10 feet away. I recently acquired a bottle of official Atlantis 
> touch-up paint, which I will include with the sale. No dents or other 
> functional damage to the frame or fork. I'm looking for $1400 plus shipping 
> from zip 04093. Local pickup in southern Maine is encouraged if you're 
> local! I can substitute the Surly Open Bars with a Nitto drop bar, and I 
> have a selection of Technomic stems if you want a different length. What I 
> don't have on hand is a spare pair of long-pull drop bar levers, so if you 
> want the drop bar option, you'll need to provide your own levers.
>
> Bars: Surly Open Bar
> Stem: Nitto Technomic, 10cm (might be 11cm, I'll have to double-check)
> Grips: Ergon GP1 Bio Cork
> Brake Levers: Shimano Deore
> Headset: Shimano Ultegra
> Shifters: Dura Ace 9spd bar-ends mounted to Paul Thumbies
> Brakes: Shimano Deore V-brakes, Koolstop salmon rear pads, Koolstop 
> low-clearance, E-bike compound front pads
> Cranks: Sakae with 24/36/46 rings, 170mm
> Front Derailleur: Vintage Shimano Deore
> Rear Derailleur: Shimano LX
> Cassette: 11-36t, 9 speed
> Wheels: Shimano Deore Hubs, Sun Rhyno Lite rims
> Tires: Compass/Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass
> Pedals: MKS RMX
> Seatpost: Ritchey one-bolter. Chopped and scratched
> Saddle: Giant brand placeholder. You'll want to provide your own Brooks!
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[RBW] Re: FS: 56cm, 26" wheeled Toyo Atlantis

[Joe Bernard]

Yep, that's a standard price from them, maybe even a bit high. ShipBikes rocks. 

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Re: [RBW] 30 Days of Biking!

[Joe Bernard]

If the guy was on a plastic road bike with low bars, he probably never saw 
anything but the ground 3 feet in front of him. BUT YOU WON!!!

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Re: [RBW] 30 Days of Biking!

[Patrick Moore]

Man, and I've been rebuking myself for my own compulsion to speed up when I
see another cyclist in the distance. (This habit becomes less and less
advisable as I age.)

There's a Trek Madone in your future.

Note, I'm not criticizing, just laughing.


On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 11:14 AM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Do not worry, Friends, I am NOT giving up biking on the daily. I just mean
> I’ll miss this thread, which I won’t contribute to after today, since it
> will be May and May is not National 30 Days of Biking month.
>
> It was cloudy this morning; I hurried my first cup of coffee so I could
> take advantage of the cooler weather. “You going out on your two-wheeler?”
> my husband asked. I completed a perfect 12 miles and I’ll tell you
> something...
>
> Clems are not for racing.
>
> The last part of my ride takes me up Killer Hill. I was on the MUP, but
> across the road, there was another cyclist making his way up and he was a
> little ahead of me. I don’t know why I do this,  but there is something
> exhilarating about beating someone who’s physically outmatched me. That’s
> the key - it can’t be a fair fight: the bike or the rider has to be
> superior. Bonus points if I can make it look like I’m not struggling.
> Triple bonus points if I beat a man on a road bike wearing cycling kit. I
> had a fighting chance when I rode my Betty Foy, but I haven’t won many
> races on my Clem.
>
> He wasn’t on a road bike, but he was a man under 40 and moving at a decent
> pace. And he was already ahead before I was aware of him. I had to make up
> for lost time at the very base of the hill, and I thought for sure I was
> going to die. You know when you are so out of breath it starts making you
> anxious? That’s how I STARTED, and I had 0.9 miles to go, straight up. 🙄
> I couldn’t quit because I had looked back over my shoulder at the guy
> several times - he knew what I was doing. All the while I thought,
> “Clemsarenotforracing. Clemsarenotforracing. Clemsarenotforracing.” My legs
> screamed and my lungs burned. Only my fear of looking like a total fool
> kept me moving.
>
> I suppose I put a quarter mile between us in the end. I lost sight of him
> when I got to the top, and I figured he probably would turn off somewhere
> before my neighborhood. I looked at my watch and realized I needed an extra
> half mile to make 12 miles for my ride, so when I got to the stop sign near
> home, I circled back to add that last half mile. Lo and behold, here comes
> my vanquished rival. Now, I am pretty distinct in my goofy blue polka dot
> helmet - he has to realize it’s me, doesn’t he? I thought maybe we would
> have a good laugh in passing. An acknowledgement. Something.
>
> The guy totally snubbed me.
>
> So, this entire race was either completely in my head and the guy was
> caught unawares (likely), or the guy was a sore loser. Whatever the case,
> my Clem and I are still WINNERS, and it doesn’t matter if that guy knows it.
>
> Happy last day of National Biking Month, Friends. Go beat someone better
> than you today! 🤣
> Leah
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> > On Apr 30, 2020, at 9:40 AM, rob markwardt 
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> > Right on!  I’ll hit 50 today...don’t stop!!
> >
> > n Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 6:03:23 AM UTC-7, Andrew Letton wrote:
> >> Why stop at 30 days, Leah?!?!
> >>
> >> Just ride.
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >> Andrew
> >> (Painstakingly pecked out on my iPhone; please pardon my brevity and
> tpyos.)
> >>
>  On 30 Apr 2020, at 2:37 pm, Leah Peterson 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Mas - copperheads on your ride? Oh my gosh. Just NO.
> >>>
> >>> I’m one of those people who has a family that wants to spend time
> together and make my plans for me. Weight-lifting and a game of Whist were
> on the agenda and I’d have to fit a shower in there, too. So, I had to set
> out earlier than I wanted, sun high in the sky, 91 degrees and miserable. I
> did 11.5 miles and got to experience twilight the last few miles. I do so
> love riding in the dark because all the houses on my Top Secret Trail have
> their windows illuminated - like fish bowls.  I can look in them and see
> what people are doing. Which sounds voyeuristic and maybe it is, but there
> is something enthralling about seeing folks sitting down to dinners
> together and playing with their kids or sitting on their fairy light-lit
> patios. The world is going on, and people are making their own ways and
> here we all are, in this together.
> >>>
> >>> A chain link fence borders one side of my TST, and someone had ripped
> apart the book The Three Little Pigs, laminated and hole punched it, 

Re: [RBW] 30 Days of Biking!

[Bill Schairer]

Leah, your story reminds me of the time I was stopped at a red light and a 
young guy pulled up next to me and said “Good morning, SIR.”  Rightly or 
wrongly, this got my dander up and when he later turned up the same 7% grade I 
was taking, I made damned sure I passed him on the way up.

Otherwise, not 30 days for me but close and staying ahead of mileage goal for 
the year.

Bill S

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Re: [RBW] 30 Days of Biking!

[Joe Bernard]

"There's a Trek Madone in your future."

Our Bicycle Belle would be hilarious on a bike like that. With the strength and 
skill she's built on that Clem on those hills?? Give her a 16 lbs. road bike 
and point her towards the Tour de France! 

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Re: [RBW] 30 Days of Biking!

[Leah Peterson]

Me with drop bars rather unimaginable. 

That would mess up my points system! I would only get points for beating men in 
cycling kit on road bikes. See the key to my happiness is to be an unassuming, 
unsuspected rival. An underdog. In stealth. Who is pretending this is her 
normal speed and not a race. Because then winning is just really funny - 
imagine Grant’s expanded geometry suuupeeerrr long 2019 Clem with the 
tallest and shortest-reach stem that money can buy, so the goofy rider can sit 
bolt upright, outfitted with front and rear racks and a basket- beating 
cyclists in a race up a mountain. 

But, I *am* getting lighter wheels for my Clem, which is kind of like getting a 
Madone, right?



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> 
> "There's a Trek Madone in your future."
> 
> Our Bicycle Belle would be hilarious on a bike like that. With the strength 
> and skill she's built on that Clem on those hills?? Give her a 16 lbs. road 
> bike and point her towards the Tour de France! 
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[RBW] Rock n' Road Tires on a Sam Hillborne

[greenteadrinkers]

Hello, I've been a lurker for a good bit, my name's Scott.

In the process of spec'd out a build for a 2019 Sam that I picked up from a 
list member recently.

Wanted to know if anyone had any experience running Bruce Gordon Rock n' 
Road tires on a Hillborne? 

Pro's, Con's? 

Will be riding gravel roads, roads, and hopefully trails.

Thanks!
Scott

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Small Clem L, Cheviot, or other Riv Step-Thru or Mixte

[Michael Morrissey]

That looks great! It really has as many Rivendell components as a Rivendell.

m


On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 10:59:51 AM UTC-4, Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
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> So I didn't find a small Cheviot, Clem L, or other Riv step-thru/mixte for 
> my wife. But somehow a pristine 1984 Miyata Fifth Avenue 
> 
>  
> landed in my lap for a ridiculously low/next-to-nothing price, so I 
> stripped it down and gussied it up with some new components from Riv and a 
> few other places. 
>
> [image: IMG_6020.jpg]
> Frame :1984 MIYATA Fifth Avenue Step-thru 50cm
> Wheels :VELOCITY NoBS rim × Shimano XT hub
> Cassette :SHIMANO 7 speed 12-28t
> Stem :NITTO Tallux
> Handlebars :NITTO Boscos
> Tires :SCHWALBE G-One 700cx38
> Brakes :TEKTRO R559
> Brake Lever :TEKTRO FL540
> Shifter :SUNRACE M90 friction
> Crankset :Original/stock MIYATA
> Rear Derailleur :SUNTOUR Honor
> Saddle :BROOKS B67
> Seat post :DAJIA Cycleworks 26.4
> Pedals :MKS Grip Kings
> Grip :RIVENDELL Portuguese Cork
> Rear rack :NITTO Campee Medium 32R
> Basket :WALD Medium
>
>
> On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 7:27:36 PM UTC-4, Dave S wrote:
>>
>> How about a 43L Bridgestone LeBubster?
>>
>> Dave in NJ
>>
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[RBW] Re: Joe's Custom

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Beautiful.  I look forward to seeing the finished build.

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[RBW] PSA: 68 AHH on Seattle CL

[JAS]

PSA:  For you tall folks!  There's a 68cm Hilsen on the Seattle Craigslist 
in that beautiful blue sporting racks, nice bags and a Brooks. (Again, no 
association with the seller).

--Joyce

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Re: [RBW] 30 Days of Biking!

[masmojo]

>
> When I moved to Dallas (28 years ago) I was pretty heavily involved with 
> Mountain bike racing and I was decently quick, so much so that i would make 
> a point of passing the groups of roadies riding around White Rock Lake; At 
> some point I thought "you know I am just out here riding, I don't really 
> need to crush people into the ground! I just wanna enjoy riding around"  
> (NOTE: this was just before the Carbon Fiber, Sub 20lb. bike era; I could 
> never have kept up with those)
>

So to that end, I went back to riding one speed Cruisers (OK a couple 7 
speeders as well), but the point was, although I was on a light weight 
cruiser (but portly by comparison) & very upright bike and I really didn't 
have much chance to PASS anybody! This really dissuaded me from the urge to 
chase and see how fast I could go, it also encouraged me to stop and smell 
the roses (and have a Taco)

Nowadays I have a Groove; I know just how much I can put into the pedals 
and A) make it comfortably to my destination B) Not punish my knees too 
much!  and C) not be a red faced sweaty mess when I got where I was going. 
Still, it happens pretty regularly that I have some guy on a road bike come 
blowing by me only to get about 50 yards in front of me and basically drop 
anchor for several miles.  That tells me one thing; I was the target of 
some misguided overtaking maneuver!  This kind of makes me roll my eyes, 
but otherwise I find it amusing.

There's a guy who rides the Northhaven Trail, he must be 70. He's got his 
kit on and a pretty nice road bike with 23mm tires; about 10 days ago I was 
riding my Bombora just  after I had put the tubeless tires on I had too low 
of tire pressure so as a result was going slower than I should have been, 
but at the turnaround I stopped to eat a granola bar, he came & turned 
around headed back East. I started up going my normal pace when I came up 
on him. at first I hung back figuring he was going slowly temporarily, but 
after a while I just decided to go around him and I made some sort of small 
talk as I went by just to be friendly. As far as I knew that was it, I 
really wasn't paying any attention to where he was or if he was still back 
there. Then about a mile before I turned off he comes up by me and says 
"oh, I finally caught you"  Since I really wasn't racing the guy I said " 
hey, there ya go!" (Or something like that) Point is I may have 15 years on 
that guy, but I also have about 50 extra pounds he doesn't have!!! 
Additionally I've seen him there a couple more times and he seems to live 
right close to the trail. It's an extra 6 miles for me to and from the 
trail head.

Thing is if you are passing someone or they are passing you, the two of you 
are not only on different bikes, but different schedules as well.

Leah, Congratulations on your "win" but maybe that guy was just finishing a 
Century? Doesn't matter though as long as you got some satisfaction out of 
it! ;-)


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[RBW] Re: Hemp twine Bay Area

[masmojo]

Your local Hobby Lobby, Michael's or other craft store may have it; 
frequently the Hemp nature of twine is not it's calling card; many times 
you have to pick t up and read the label to see what it's made of! Many 
times it is hemp and sometimes it's Jute (whatever that is?), But you 
should be able to find something that will work there.  I got a big ball of 
hemp twine somewhere many years ago for like 4 bucks; a lifetime supply!

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Re: [RBW] PSA: 68 AHH on Seattle CL

[Eric Floden]

Thanks,

Here's the ad

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/petersburg-rivendell-68cm-ahomer-hilsen/7116450235.html

Bike located in Alaska

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 13:46, JAS  wrote:

> PSA:  For you tall folks!  There's a 68cm Hilsen on the Seattle Craigslist
> in that beautiful blue sporting racks, nice bags and a Brooks. (Again, no
> association with the seller).
>
> --Joyce
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[RBW] Re: Hemp twine Bay Area

[Joe Bernard]

Eric picked mine up today. My twining days are over (I like Ergon or Jones 
grips) and more stuff I don't need is outta my apartment! 

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Re: [RBW] 30 Days of Biking!

[Leah Peterson]

Oh, Mas, clearly my sense of humor falls flat with you. Oh well. I’m not going 
to win *all* the contests today! 

#1 Winner on the Killer Hill Race and sticking to it,
Leah

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 30, 2020, at 1:55 PM, masmojo  wrote:
> 
> 
>> When I moved to Dallas (28 years ago) I was pretty heavily involved with 
>> Mountain bike racing and I was decently quick, so much so that i would make 
>> a point of passing the groups of roadies riding around White Rock Lake; At 
>> some point I thought "you know I am just out here riding, I don't really 
>> need to crush people into the ground! I just wanna enjoy riding around"  
>> (NOTE: this was just before the Carbon Fiber, Sub 20lb. bike era; I could 
>> never have kept up with those)
> 
> So to that end, I went back to riding one speed Cruisers (OK a couple 7 
> speeders as well), but the point was, although I was on a light weight 
> cruiser (but portly by comparison) & very upright bike and I really didn't 
> have much chance to PASS anybody! This really dissuaded me from the urge to 
> chase and see how fast I could go, it also encouraged me to stop and smell 
> the roses (and have a Taco)
> 
> Nowadays I have a Groove; I know just how much I can put into the pedals and 
> A) make it comfortably to my destination B) Not punish my knees too much!  
> and C) not be a red faced sweaty mess when I got where I was going. Still, it 
> happens pretty regularly that I have some guy on a road bike come blowing by 
> me only to get about 50 yards in front of me and basically drop anchor for 
> several miles.  That tells me one thing; I was the target of some misguided 
> overtaking maneuver!  This kind of makes me roll my eyes, but otherwise I 
> find it amusing.
> 
> There's a guy who rides the Northhaven Trail, he must be 70. He's got his kit 
> on and a pretty nice road bike with 23mm tires; about 10 days ago I was 
> riding my Bombora just  after I had put the tubeless tires on I had too low 
> of tire pressure so as a result was going slower than I should have been, but 
> at the turnaround I stopped to eat a granola bar, he came & turned around 
> headed back East. I started up going my normal pace when I came up on him. at 
> first I hung back figuring he was going slowly temporarily, but after a while 
> I just decided to go around him and I made some sort of small talk as I went 
> by just to be friendly. As far as I knew that was it, I really wasn't paying 
> any attention to where he was or if he was still back there. Then about a 
> mile before I turned off he comes up by me and says "oh, I finally caught 
> you"  Since I really wasn't racing the guy I said " hey, there ya go!" (Or 
> something like that) Point is I may have 15 years on that guy, but I also 
> have about 50 extra pounds he doesn't have!!! Additionally I've seen him 
> there a couple more times and he seems to live right close to the trail. It's 
> an extra 6 miles for me to and from the trail head.
> 
> Thing is if you are passing someone or they are passing you, the two of you 
> are not only on different bikes, but different schedules as well.
> 
> Leah, Congratulations on your "win" but maybe that guy was just finishing a 
> Century? Doesn't matter though as long as you got some satisfaction out of 
> it! ;-)
> 
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Re: [RBW] PSA: 68 AHH on Seattle CL

[James Warren]

It’s a beauty. Looks like a great bike. My guess is that it’s a 67 cm. Maybe a 
69 and they measured Center to Center and called it 68? But it doesn’t look big 
enough to be a 69.

I think those were always odd sizes in the big ones, so I doubt a 68 was made. 
But who knows for sure?


> On Apr 30, 2020, at 2:16 PM, Eric Floden  wrote:
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Here's the ad
> 
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/petersburg-rivendell-68cm-ahomer-hilsen/7116450235.html
>  
> 
> 
> Bike located in Alaska
> 
> On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 13:46, JAS  > wrote:
> PSA:  For you tall folks!  There's a 68cm Hilsen on the Seattle Craigslist in 
> that beautiful blue sporting racks, nice bags and a Brooks. (Again, no 
> association with the seller).
> 
> --Joyce
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[RBW] Re: Fancy Cheviot!

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Interesting how the "Bubbe" has become the "Bebe!"
Was it meant to be a kid carrier or just a stout bike that incorporated 
existing forks?
I think that the Rosco has my favorite head badge of all the Rivs!

David Lipsky in Berkeley
(Remembering his Russian Bubbie)

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 2:56:22 PM UTC-7, Pancake wrote:
>
> Not from Paul and maybe not the swoops you’re after - but proud (Rosco) 
> Bebe Daddy here happy to post pics. 
> .
>  Roberta wrote: 
> 
> > Can you show us some pics of the swished tubes of your Roscoe Bebe-with 
> or without Bebe aboard 😊. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Rock n' Road Tires on a Sam Hillborne

[Timothy Hurley]

I had them in my Sam for a while. They where great, I only changed them because 
I impulsively swap tires. I could not fit fenders with them, btw.

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[RBW] Re: Rock n' Road Tires on a Sam Hillborne

[greenteadrinkers]

Funnily enough, I'm also thinking about Snoqualmie Pass as an option. 
Currently on my SimpleOne, I'm riding a pair of tubeless Compass Hurricane 
Ridges, mounted on Cliffhangers. Can't complain, other than $$$ :) Gotta 
say, the SimpleOne is amazing, I get the vibe its totally underrated, but, 
it's a total ripper with the right wheel set. Too bad it has only around 
for, I think, one year. Kept light with minimal or no racks and the rest of 
the jazz, it's one hell of an excellent ride.

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 4:40:03 PM UTC-4, Eric Myers wrote:
>
> Can I piggy back on this?  I just swapped some Soma Cazaderos back onto my 
> Sam and noticed one of them has some damage to a sidewall, so I'm looking 
> for replacement comparisons.  I ride 90% on pavement, but really enjoyed 
> the Cazaderos when I rode them last summer and fall; I liked the lowish air 
> pressure, supple walls, and how they rode on pavement compared to other 
> treaded tires.  Is there someone with experience who can compare them to 
> other similar tires?  I was looking at the Bruce Gordon Rock n' Road and 
> the Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass as possible alternatives.  All are similar 
> in size: 700c x 42-44.  Attaching a photo of sidewall damage, that's a 
> thread that has come out of the tire.
>
> Thanks,
> Eric
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[RBW] Re: Rock n' Road Tires on a Sam Hillborne

[greenteadrinkers]

Tim, thanks for the input!, did you chance had to ride them tubeless? 
According to the existing page, tubeless is recommended, but, legally not 
sanctioned.

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 5:45:44 PM UTC-4, Timothy Hurley wrote:
>
> I had them in my Sam for a while. They where great, I only changed them 
> because I impulsively swap tires. I could not fit fenders with them, btw.

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[RBW] Re: Rock n' Road Tires on a Sam Hillborne

[greenteadrinkers]

Tim, thanks for the input!, did you chance ride the Rock n' Roads tubeless? 
According to the existing page, tubeless is recommended, but, legally not 
sanctioned.

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>
> I had them in my Sam for a while. They where great, I only changed them 
> because I impulsively swap tires. I could not fit fenders with them, btw.

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[RBW] Re: Fancy Cheviot!

[Joe Bernard]

They're separate projects. The Bubbe wasn't necessarily intended to be only 
stout frames, it was to do small runs of ideas Grant had with the spare forks 
lying around. Bebe was always the Baby Bike. 

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Re: [RBW] PSA: 68 AHH on Seattle CL

[John Rinker]

What kind of a PBH would one have to have in order to fit a 67-69cm AHH? 
That looks like a big bike!

Cheers.

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 2:31:06 PM UTC-7, Jimmy Warren wrote:
>
> It’s a beauty. Looks like a great bike. My guess is that it’s a 67 cm. 
> Maybe a 69 and they measured Center to Center and called it 68? But it 
> doesn’t look big enough to be a 69.
>
> I think those were always odd sizes in the big ones, so I doubt a 68 was 
> made. But who knows for sure?
>
>
> On Apr 30, 2020, at 2:16 PM, Eric Floden > 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks,
>
> Here's the ad
>
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/petersburg-rivendell-68cm-ahomer-hilsen/7116450235.html
>
> Bike located in Alaska
>
> On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 13:46, JAS > 
> wrote:
>
>> PSA:  For you tall folks!  There's a 68cm Hilsen on the Seattle 
>> Craigslist in that beautiful blue sporting racks, nice bags and a Brooks. 
>> (Again, no association with the seller).
>>
>> --Joyce
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Re: [RBW] 30 Days of Biking!

[Leah Peterson]

Ann, those colors! Also, stop making me jealous of where you live. There is NO 
WAY I can aspire to be as cool as Nathan’s little Spider-Man. We doff our caps 
(helmets) to that little guy! ❤️❤️

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:38 PM, 'Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Leah:
> 
> The polka dots on your helmet are sharp but you are in no way as cool as 
> Nathan's little guy rocking his Spiderman helmet.  
> 
> Miles today:  24.5.  Miles for April:  545.  Days riding: 26.  Goal for May:  
> 600 miles.
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Re: [RBW] 30 Days of Biking!

[Roberta]

Wow, everyone's stories and pictures just warm my heart and motivate me!  
But, tonight it's storming and I don't like riding in the rain.  Ann, I've 
rarely seen a sky so blue.  Leah, I'm impressed, but not surprised that you 
went down part of that hill and up AGAIN to get in your 12 miles

For April, I did 17 rides.  Not as much as many of you, but more than my 
average summer month schedule.  I guess my average summer month would be 
3-4 rides per week, meaning about 12-16 for a month.  So, I'm pretty 
happy.My goal for May is more rides than in April, but it rains as much 
in May as in April here (more than in Seattle). 

Happy riding, everyone, in May. 

Roberta

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 7:38:23 PM UTC-4, Ann L wrote:
>
> Leah:
>
> The polka dots on your helmet are sharp but you are in no way as cool as 
> Nathan's little guy rocking his Spiderman helmet.  
>
> Miles today:  24.5.  Miles for April:  545.  Days riding: 26.  Goal for 
> May:  600 miles.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe's Custom

[Roberta]

At the very least, red spoke nipples.

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 11:12:01 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> About parts. I'm starting with stuff I have around here, most of it off my 
> recent Clem L (plus a 650B wheelset from a bigger Clem H I had). It will 
> indeed be a black/silver mix, but this is just a starting point. I'm 
> probably going to end up hitting up James and Candice at Analog for a fancy 
> tubeless-compatible wheelset, which may have blingy red hubs. But I need to 
> see it built up with non-blingy silver wheels first to decide if adding 
> more red will be too much. The adventure soon begins!   

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Small Clem L, Cheviot, or other Riv Step-Thru or Mixte

[Roberta]

It's lovely, like grilver Clem L's more svelte little sister.  AND, there's 
a chain guard.  Snazzy.

Roberta

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 10:59:51 AM UTC-4, Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
NY) wrote:
>
> So I didn't find a small Cheviot, Clem L, or other Riv step-thru/mixte for 
> my wife. But somehow a pristine 1984 Miyata Fifth Avenue 
> 
>  
> landed in my lap for a ridiculously low/next-to-nothing price, so I 
> stripped it down and gussied it up with some new components from Riv and a 
> few other places. 
>
> [image: IMG_6020.jpg]
> Frame :1984 MIYATA Fifth Avenue Step-thru 50cm
> Wheels :VELOCITY NoBS rim × Shimano XT hub
> Cassette :SHIMANO 7 speed 12-28t
> Stem :NITTO Tallux
> Handlebars :NITTO Boscos
> Tires :SCHWALBE G-One 700cx38
> Brakes :TEKTRO R559
> Brake Lever :TEKTRO FL540
> Shifter :SUNRACE M90 friction
> Crankset :Original/stock MIYATA
> Rear Derailleur :SUNTOUR Honor
> Saddle :BROOKS B67
> Seat post :DAJIA Cycleworks 26.4
> Pedals :MKS Grip Kings
> Grip :RIVENDELL Portuguese Cork
> Rear rack :NITTO Campee Medium 32R
> Basket :WALD Medium
>
>
> On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 7:27:36 PM UTC-4, Dave S wrote:
>>
>> How about a 43L Bridgestone LeBubster?
>>
>> Dave in NJ
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe's Custom

[Joe Bernard]

That might work, Roberta. I just need the see it live in person and built up 
first..even to my "love the neons" eyes I'm a little surprised how *bright* the 
red looks. I don't want to overdo it with red parts, too, but we'll see. As 
Leah says, how can you have too much red??! 😁

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[RBW] Re: Rock n' Road Tires on a Sam Hillborne

[Reid Echols]

Gravelking SK for my money—my Rock n Roads looked pretty but were noticeably 
slower/louder on anything resembling pavement. 

Reid in Austin 

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[RBW] Re: Hemp twine Bay Area

[Eric G@rs]

Indeed, Joe got me sorted out. Thanks all for the offers!

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Re: [RBW] PSA: 68 AHH on Seattle CL

[Curtis McKenzie]

My kind of pbh!

Curtis
El Cajon
"Who enjoys his 69 cm Bantam"

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020, 4:24 PM John Rinker  wrote:

> What kind of a PBH would one have to have in order to fit a 67-69cm AHH?
> That looks like a big bike!
>
> Cheers.
>
> On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 2:31:06 PM UTC-7, Jimmy Warren wrote:
>>
>> It’s a beauty. Looks like a great bike. My guess is that it’s a 67 cm.
>> Maybe a 69 and they measured Center to Center and called it 68? But it
>> doesn’t look big enough to be a 69.
>>
>> I think those were always odd sizes in the big ones, so I doubt a 68 was
>> made. But who knows for sure?
>>
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2020, at 2:16 PM, Eric Floden  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Here's the ad
>>
>>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/petersburg-rivendell-68cm-ahomer-hilsen/7116450235.html
>>
>> Bike located in Alaska
>>
>> On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 13:46, JAS  wrote:
>>
>>> PSA:  For you tall folks!  There's a 68cm Hilsen on the Seattle
>>> Craigslist in that beautiful blue sporting racks, nice bags and a Brooks.
>>> (Again, no association with the seller).
>>>
>>> --Joyce
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Re: [RBW] PSA: 68 AHH on Seattle CL

[Julian Westerhout]

My PBH is 101. 

I happily ride several 68 cm Rivs. 

:) 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 





On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 6:24:09 PM UTC-5, John Rinker wrote:
>
> What kind of a PBH would one have to have in order to fit a 67-69cm AHH? 
> That looks like a big bike!
>
> Cheers.
>
> On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 2:31:06 PM UTC-7, Jimmy Warren wrote:
>>
>> It’s a beauty. Looks like a great bike. My guess is that it’s a 67 cm. 
>> Maybe a 69 and they measured Center to Center and called it 68? But it 
>> doesn’t look big enough to be a 69.
>>
>> I think those were always odd sizes in the big ones, so I doubt a 68 was 
>> made. But who knows for sure?
>>
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2020, at 2:16 PM, Eric Floden  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Here's the ad
>>
>>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/petersburg-rivendell-68cm-ahomer-hilsen/7116450235.html
>>
>> Bike located in Alaska
>>
>> On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 13:46, JAS  wrote:
>>
>>> PSA:  For you tall folks!  There's a 68cm Hilsen on the Seattle 
>>> Craigslist in that beautiful blue sporting racks, nice bags and a Brooks. 
>>> (Again, no association with the seller).
>>>
>>> --Joyce
>>>
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[RBW] Looking for 26" Wheels

[Lithocarpus]

Evening Folks.  Any chance that someone on this list lives in the Bay Area 
and has an un-needed 26" mountain bike wheelset, 9spd?  1.5 to 1.75?  I'm 
helping my son put together a my old steel frame Kona, but we are without 
wheels. I thought I'd check here first before ordering new wheels.   

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[RBW] Looking for 26" Wheels

[Joe Bernard]

Shoot, that was supposed to be PM. Sorry folks on email where I can't delete 
it! 🙃

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Re: [RBW] Re: Looking for 26" Wheels

[Joseph Beuys]

Let's do it!  I'm in Napa.  I'd be happy to meet you halfway at Sears Point
or in Napa if you are looking for a longer drive.

Thanks for reaching out!

Erik

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 7:21 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I do indeed have a set. These are pretty swanky Vueltas with bladed
> spokes, I have no idea what that does but it looks cool! Disc and rim brake
> compatible, I used them both ways. Even comes with a SunRace 11-40 9-speed
> cassette (I don't know if his derailleur will reach the biggest cog) and
> some kinda budget knobbies with life left in them.
>
> I can socially-distance-way drop them off for $100 if you want em. I'm in
> Novato and work with a developmentally disabled fellow, we go on car
> adventures all the time so no problem driving to you. You can just PayPal
> me after you get em.
>
> Joe Bernard
> Text 415 786 4623
>
> On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 6:59:50 PM UTC-7, Lithocarpus wrote:
> > Evening Folks.  Any chance that someone on this list lives in the Bay
> Area and has an un-needed 26" mountain bike wheelset, 9spd?  1.5 to 1.75?
> I'm helping my son put together a my old steel frame Kona, but we are
> without wheels. I thought I'd check here first before ordering new wheels.
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[RBW] Re: Fancy Cheviot!

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 12:40:55 AM UTC+8, Pancake wrote:
>
> Men on Mixties is already a thing: MOMs. From the 2018 Riv catalogue.
>

Are MOMs the polar opposite of MAMILs ? 
:) 

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Re: [RBW] Photos of my Roadeo, set up for brevets

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 1:52:14 PM UTC+8, Paul Y wrote:
>
> Thanks Patrick!
>
> I'm in Singapore.
>

Paul, I can't imagine running a brevet in Singapore. The routes must be 
mostly, if not entirely international, with Singapore being so small and 
well-connected internally (hard to find a route that doesn't have multiple 
alternative connecting the same waypoints). And the heat. Oh my!

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[RBW] Re: Rock n' Road Tires on a Sam Hillborne

[Mark Roland]

I found the Rock n Roads to be more capable in moderate mud and trail  than 
the Gravelking SK. The RnR tread is more like the RH Steilacoom, whereas 
the SK is probably more akin to a Thunder Burt tread--has a bit of bite, 
but looses it quicker on the rougher stuff. I'm usually not in a particular 
hurry, but I don't like to feel bogged down by rubber. I find all four 
tires fast enough on pavement, none have that riding in soft asphalt 
feeling. (I only have the TB in 26" and more recently 650B, the other 3 all 
700C. I think the RnR are underrated. They are a bit heavier, perhaps, but 
I like the rubber compound. I'm building a wheelset with them in mind, to 
go on my BG Hikari. Only fitting.

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 8:32:22 PM UTC-4, Reid Echols wrote:
>
> Gravelking SK for my money—my Rock n Roads looked pretty but were 
> noticeably slower/louder on anything resembling pavement. 
>
> Reid in Austin 

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