[RBW] Re: Tires for Sam

[Garth]

Yes, the Vittoria Hypers are pretty decent for that price. I ran 2 sets of the 
38/40 so far down to the casing☺ I run them at low pressures, 40-45 or so. Not 
the highest of volume tires though on A719 rims at least. If you could use a 
35mm tires I would recommend the Forte Metro tire from Performance Bike , yes, 
the big chains store. Don't laugh, these are very nice riding tires, I prefer 
them to the Vittoria but they don't come in larger 700c size. 

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[RBW] 3M helicopter tape

[Les Lammers]

This was developed for the leading edge of copter blades to prevent 
abrasion from desert sand. It's a TOUGH clear adhesive tape available in 
different widths.You can find it on the auction site. I have it on the 'top 
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paint protection.

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[RBW] Cleland Cycles

[Jim S.]

So I came across these bikes:



https://clelandcycles.wordpress.com/history/

I wonder if Rosco's V.1 and 2 are inspired by the triangle double-top tube? 
I hadn't seen it until I saw the Rosco. 

Concededly, the short wheel base and chainstays are un-Rosco like.


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Re: [RBW] Cleland Cycles

[Eric Daume]

Google "paperboy bikes" and you'll see a lot of old bikes with a secondary
top tube like that. Kona also made a retro mtb model (the Humuhumu) with
something similar years ago.

Eric

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 6:15 AM, Jim S.  wrote:

> So I came across these bikes:
>
>
>
> https://clelandcycles.wordpress.com/history/
>
> I wonder if Rosco's V.1 and 2 are inspired by the triangle double-top
> tube? I hadn't seen it until I saw the Rosco.
>
> Concededly, the short wheel base and chainstays are un-Rosco like.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Sam

[Jeff Lesperance]

I like the Resist Nomad tires as a wallet friendly option. I used them on
an LHT owned several years ago, and now use them on my commuter.

http://resistparts.com/parts/tires-nomad/

Jeff
Silver Spring, MD

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 5:37 AM, Garth  wrote:

> Yes, the Vittoria Hypers are pretty decent for that price. I ran 2 sets of
> the 38/40 so far down to the casing☺ I run them at low pressures, 40-45 or
> so. Not the highest of volume tires though on A719 rims at least. If you
> could use a 35mm tires I would recommend the Forte Metro tire from
> Performance Bike , yes, the big chains store. Don't laugh, these are very
> nice riding tires, I prefer them to the Vittoria but they don't come in
> larger 700c size.
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Re: [RBW] 3M helicopter tape

[Peter White]

Also good for discreetly routing electrical wiring along frame tubes,
though for the life of me I don't know why anyone would need electrical
wiring on a bicycle.

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 5:38 AM, Les Lammers  wrote:

> This was developed for the leading edge of copter blades to prevent
> abrasion from desert sand. It's a TOUGH clear adhesive tape available in
> different widths.You can find it on the auction site. I have it on the 'top
> tube' of my Cheviot and also use it as a chainstay protector. Excellent
> paint protection.
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Re: [RBW] Cleland Cycles

[Jim S.]

This makes me want to quit my job and become a paperboy. Except that we 
don't have paperboys anymore. And then I couldn't afford to buy these bikes 
on a paperboy salary.

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 6:04:40 AM UTC-5, Eric Daume wrote:
>
> Google "paperboy bikes" and you'll see a lot of old bikes with a secondary 
> top tube like that. Kona also made a retro mtb model (the Humuhumu) with 
> something similar years ago.
>
> Eric
>
> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 6:15 AM, Jim S. > 
> wrote:
>
>> So I came across these bikes:
>>
>>
>>
>> https://clelandcycles.wordpress.com/history/
>>
>> I wonder if Rosco's V.1 and 2 are inspired by the triangle double-top 
>> tube? I hadn't seen it until I saw the Rosco. 
>>
>> Concededly, the short wheel base and chainstays are un-Rosco like.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Swift Industries luggage?

[Leaf Slayer]

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 9:37:44 AM UTC-7, johnb wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> I have the hinterland Ozette and love it. My wife has the new Sugarloaf 
> and loves it. Both are built to last, very light, great looking and super 
> useful. I may pull the trigger on a Sugarloaf for myself for commuting. I 
> cannot recommend them enough.
>
> john
>

Thanks for the info John. The Sugarloaf is spendy but also seems practical. 
Years ago I ran a front basket with a Sackville shopsack and it was okay 
but I never really loved it. The Sugarloaf seems a great way to go. I do 
have a Berthoud front bag that's just been sitting in my basement for a few 
years now. I'm thinking of parting with it and some Ortlieb front panniers 
to foot the bill for some Swift gear. It's not really practical but I just 
feel like mixing things up.

Patrick, I hear you about waxed canvas. I have a 10yr old Carradice Nelson 
LF that's been great. Swift used to do waxed canvas but stopped a while 
back.I'm fine with their current materials.

I'm also tempted to pull the trigger on one of these 
www.ultraromance.bigcartel.com

--mike 

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[RBW] Re: 3M helicopter tape

[Ron Mc]

You can buy pieces on ebay, but make sure it's 3M.  I made the mistake of 
buying some that was just clear vinyl with no adhesive.  

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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks C17 carved - natural - $75 shipped

[Belopsky]

sold

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[RBW] Re: seeking Rivendell Saluki reviews...and maybe a lead

[Michael Hechmer]

Matt,  I have often wanted an Atlantis but have regrettably never gotten 
one.  I do have a 62cm cantied Saluki and a 62 cm Ram.  I love them both. 
 As someone else mentioned, the AHH was brought to market as a revised 
Saluki.  The Saluki is not as fast or agile as the Ram, but is not slow 
either.  I love the wider 650B tires on the Saluki and prefer it for the 
many dirt ( and lousy chip & seal roads) in Vermont. I run 38s but 41s will 
fit under VO fenders.  The Saluki does just fine on grocery runs, and I 
would not hesitate to take it touring, although the tandem does all of that 
work.  It's a great bike, but if you already own an Atlantis it's hard to 
see what more you will get.  Probably the Saluki is a bit quicker unloaded, 
but if it's more speed you are looking for there are other, better choices. 
 On the other hand you could continue to search for one and then decide 
which one you wanted to keep. If I were headed to Tierra del Fuego, I would 
choose the Atlantis; for the rest of my rides, the Saluki is great.

Michael


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>
> I cannot get a Rivendell Saluki out of my mind.  I've been watching 
> craigslist nationwide and Ebay, but have never seen any come up for sale 
> since I missed out on that purple one last year.  Were very few made, or 
> are they so cherished that they never go up for sale?  
>
> I've got an Atlantis and feel like I should be perfectly happy with that, 
> as they seem very similar in intentions.  For those that have had both, can 
> you give me any feedback on comparisons?  Am I nuts for wanting both?  (I 
> already have far more bikes than I should.)
>
> While on the topic, does anyone know of a 60cm cantilever Saluki that is 
> for sale?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt Beecher
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>
>
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Re: [RBW] Cleland Cycles

[Matt B.]

They still have paperboys where I live, except they drive their routes 
shitty cars now.


On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 7:49:18 AM UTC-4, Jim S. wrote:
>
> This makes me want to quit my job and become a paperboy. Except that we 
> don't have paperboys anymore. And then I couldn't afford to buy these bikes 
> on a paperboy salary.
>
> On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 6:04:40 AM UTC-5, Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>> Google "paperboy bikes" and you'll see a lot of old bikes with a 
>> secondary top tube like that. Kona also made a retro mtb model (the 
>> Humuhumu) with something similar years ago.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 6:15 AM, Jim S.  wrote:
>>
>>> So I came across these bikes:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://clelandcycles.wordpress.com/history/
>>>
>>> I wonder if Rosco's V.1 and 2 are inspired by the triangle double-top 
>>> tube? I hadn't seen it until I saw the Rosco. 
>>>
>>> Concededly, the short wheel base and chainstays are un-Rosco like.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Sam

[Captain Conway Bennett]

I went on a "budget" 700x47 tire buying spree last summer.  What I came up with 
was the resist nomads and vee rubber 12s are great.  Actually the vee tires I 
was sent were the grv model which I can't actually find info on but appear to 
be the same tread as the 12s.  The resists are sort of like budgety compasses 
and the vees are similar to a wtb riddler.

Fair winds,

Captain Conway Bennett

> On Apr 7, 2017, at 6:04 AM, Jeff Lesperance  wrote:
> 
> I like the Resist Nomad tires as a wallet friendly option. I used them on an 
> LHT owned several years ago, and now use them on my commuter. 
> 
> http://resistparts.com/parts/tires-nomad/
> 
> Jeff
> Silver Spring, MD
> 
>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 5:37 AM, Garth  wrote:
>> Yes, the Vittoria Hypers are pretty decent for that price. I ran 2 sets of 
>> the 38/40 so far down to the casing☺ I run them at low pressures, 40-45 or 
>> so. Not the highest of volume tires though on A719 rims at least. If you 
>> could use a 35mm tires I would recommend the Forte Metro tire from 
>> Performance Bike , yes, the big chains store. Don't laugh, these are very 
>> nice riding tires, I prefer them to the Vittoria but they don't come in 
>> larger 700c size.
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Re: [RBW] Cleland Cycles

[Patrick Moore]

He's been around since the 1960s apparently, and I think he's not better
known because his bikes are very particular to his environment and riding
style -- slow mud bogging; look at that bottom bracket! But very
interesting and it's gratifying to know he's still at it.

I think he was the one who developed a drum brake with 2' long resistance
arm for off road use; no, just looked; that was someone else (the founder
of now defunct Highpath Engineering), but I think they collaborated at one
point.

FWIW, here's the drum brake story: http://www.63xc.com/dws/hubbrake.htm;
relevance: does mention Geoff Apps.

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 4:15 AM, Jim S.  wrote:

> So I came across these bikes:
>
>
>
> https://clelandcycles.wordpress.com/history/
>
> I wonder if Rosco's V.1 and 2 are inspired by the triangle double-top
> tube? I hadn't seen it until I saw the Rosco.
>
> Concededly, the short wheel base and chainstays are un-Rosco like.
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Re: [RBW] Cleland Cycles

[Patrick Moore]

Meant to say also that I doubt very much that Grant was inspired by
Cleland; Cleland was such a niche builder and his bikes are radically (at
the root) different from Rivendells, in original geography as well as
riding conditions and history of builders. No long chainstays on the
Clelands!

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> He's been around since the 1960s apparently, and I think he's not better
> known because his bikes are very particular to his environment and riding
> style -- slow mud bogging; look at that bottom bracket! But very
> interesting and it's gratifying to know he's still at it.
>
> I think he was the one who developed a drum brake with 2' long resistance
> arm for off road use; no, just looked; that was someone else (the founder
> of now defunct Highpath Engineering), but I think they collaborated at one
> point.
>
> FWIW, here's the drum brake story: http://www.63xc.com/dws/hubbrake.htm;
> relevance: does mention Geoff Apps.
>
> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 4:15 AM, Jim S.  wrote:
>
>> So I came across these bikes:
>>
>>
>>
>> https://clelandcycles.wordpress.com/history/
>>
>> I wonder if Rosco's V.1 and 2 are inspired by the triangle double-top
>> tube? I hadn't seen it until I saw the Rosco.
>>
>> Concededly, the short wheel base and chainstays are un-Rosco like.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Sam

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I have Compass Gran Bois 42mm Hetres in cream on mine.  The bike is orange 
and with the cream tires they look stunning (in my opinion).  The ride is 
great too.  I'm sold on Compass and other supple tires to the point I don't 
want to ride anything else.

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 9:37:22 AM UTC-4, Conway Bennett wrote:
>
> I went on a "budget" 700x47 tire buying spree last summer.  What I came up 
> with was the resist nomads and vee rubber 12s are great.  Actually the vee 
> tires I was sent were the grv model which I can't actually find info on but 
> appear to be the same tread as the 12s.  The resists are sort of like 
> budgety compasses and the vees are similar to a wtb riddler.
>
> Fair winds,
>
> Captain Conway Bennett
>
> On Apr 7, 2017, at 6:04 AM, Jeff Lesperance  > wrote:
>
> I like the Resist Nomad tires as a wallet friendly option. I used them on 
> an LHT owned several years ago, and now use them on my commuter. 
>
> http://resistparts.com/parts/tires-nomad/
>
> Jeff
> Silver Spring, MD
>
> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 5:37 AM, Garth > 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, the Vittoria Hypers are pretty decent for that price. I ran 2 sets 
>> of the 38/40 so far down to the casing☺ I run them at low pressures, 40-45 
>> or so. Not the highest of volume tires though on A719 rims at least. If you 
>> could use a 35mm tires I would recommend the Forte Metro tire from 
>> Performance Bike , yes, the big chains store. Don't laugh, these are very 
>> nice riding tires, I prefer them to the Vittoria but they don't come in 
>> larger 700c size.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Sam

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

I'm on my 3rd year with Schwalbe 700c-38 Little Bens.
They have served me well on pavement and gravel.
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Re: [RBW] N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Patrick Moore]

I just *may* give my single car to my daughter when she starts her junior
year in HS in August -- not at all sure. But of the 3,600 miles I've been
putting on the car for each of the last 3 years, at least 2,600 are for her.

 If I do that, I'll want to buy a dedicated shopping bike, with capacity
for 50 lb loads and no compromises. I really am tempted to get another
British racing trike and have a platform rack put on the back to hold
either a Sackville Large or, more probably, a large box or crate or basket.
But given the hassle of shipping a trike from England -- they're very rare
in the US -- and the primitive rear axles of most of them, *and* the great
expense of 2 wheel drive, I'll probably look for a butcher's bike. I wonder
how Chauncey Matthews would feel about being asked to build one. No rod
brakes; discs; but direct steering and the big frame-tube box attached to
the frame over a 20" wheel, to hold a large basket or box. *And* a big drop
down stand in front.

One can dream ...

I've owned a Worksman tricycle (hot rodded with a Stronglight 93 crankset
and a more reasonable 65" or so gear ratio) and no, even with upgraded
drivetrain they're just too doggy. But the Ken Rogers with big Hoss looped
to the Turbo's rails really did work well, and would have worked even
better with a platform and a Sackville or a basket.

Since I work at home, really, I really "need" only a road bike and a dirt
bike, but having the gofast, errand/commuter, dirt road, and folding
options are nice luxuries.

On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 7:08 PM, Lee Legrand  wrote:

> I often thought, still do on occasion of living without a vehicle and
> soley by car.  It was this reason that I thought I how many bicycle I would
> need based on what I would be using the bicycle for.
>
> 1. For commuting back and forth to work that was comfortable, not terribly
> light, low maintenance and could carry the things I need to get to work.  A
> foldable bicycle would work great for that.
> 2. A Pick up bicycle for carrying grocery or large objects.  It would have
> a small wheel up front and large wheel in the back where the front wheel is
> where the load would be applied and the rider is in the back with cable
> operation to move the front wheel where you needed it (Francisis Cycles).
> 3. Randonuer bicycle that function as a randoneur, century or taking a
> bicycle for an outing.
> 4. Touring bicycle to take a week to wander with tent, cooking utensil and
> clothes.
>
> It would be a N=4 bicycle.
>
> On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 8:21 PM, Eric Norris  wrote:
>
>> Oh gosh. This would drive me crazy. It’s probably a sign of some deep
>> disorder, but all of my bikes are ready to ride at a moment’s notice.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyonly...@me.com
>> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>>
>> On Apr 6, 2017, at 4:48 PM, Will  wrote:
>>
>> There are 4 more bikes, mostly disassembled.
>>
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[RBW] Re: 3M helicopter tape

[George Schick]

This is good to know - I've been looking for something like this for chain 
slap protection.  It's gosh awful expensive, though, so it's good to know 
that you can buy it in strips, too.  Entering the product name into a 
Google search and then pulling up all of the images I see lots of photos of 
bikes and bike shops using this, as well, so it's evidently one of those 
best-kept little secrets.  In the event that it would ever need to be 
replaced, though, how difficult is it to loosen the adhesive? 

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 6:57:08 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
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> You can buy pieces on ebay, but make sure it's 3M.  I made the mistake of 
> buying some that was just clear vinyl with no adhesive.  
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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Patrick Moore]

Wonderful collection! What makes you choose the Bleriot, Trek, and Hetchins
as your principal rides? Do you cycle (!) through your preferences?

I share many of your prejudices, though not all -- I like disc brakes --
and I like what I see in the photos. All properly set up with drop bar a
wee bit below saddle, and with ends of hooks parallel to terra firma. Check.

Me, if I had more money and less sense, I'd add a classic road racing bike
from the '70s to my own collection, though I'd build it up with that much
talked about but never used AM. May still do that. One reason I've not
accumulated more road bikes -- say, derailleur analogues of my 2 fixed Riv
Roads, is that I've been spoiled by the ride and feel of the Rivs and fear
that no others will live up to the standard; and I can't afford more Riv
customs. But if I could, I'd have Riv build me 700C analogues of my '99
gofast, one stripped for the AM hub, one for derailleur gearing and fenders
and racks and lighting. (*And* I'd buy a BR Trike with a Trykit 2 wd
derailleur system; or perhaps a differential fixed drive -- 67". Wonder if
Grant would make me one. Just kidding, Grant!)

On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 5:20 PM, rob markwardt  wrote:

> I haven't purchased a bike in a couple years now but for me its always
> been about how the bike looks.  If it doesn't meet my narrow definition of
> cool then no matter how awesome the bike I'm not interested.  For me this
> means steel, classic road bike geometry, old school components, and
> graphics/colors/names that mesh with my brain.  Vintage 60s/70's road
> bikes?...YES!  Classic Riv roads/Rambo/Bleriot/Saluki/Legolas...YES!  I
> kind of dig the H.Homers and the Roadeos, etc. but I just can't get past
> the names so they aren't in my garage.  I also can't get past disc brakes,
> brifters, upright bars, and funky designs...I kind of like looking at them
> but I just don't want them.  I went bonkers for about ten years but I'm
> pretty happy now.  Here's what I have in order from what gets the most
> mileage.
>
> 1. Bleriot - awesome. I ride this bike all the time and if forced to pick
> one this is it.
> 2. 77 Trek - Many miles the past couple years
> 3. 74 Hetchins - sunny day road bike.  A visual of what I like?...this is
> it.
> 4. Rock Combo - my mountain\snow\deluge bike
> 5. 01 Riv custom - sunny day, long distance rider (haven't ridden this in
> months!)
> 6. 71 Paramount - I love this bike but haven't ridden it for awhile.
> 7. 79 Austro Daimler - recently converted to 650b...should be moving up
> the list soon.
> 8. 72 PX-10  - Hibernating in the crawl space.
>
> A few pics here
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-7, Bob K. wrote:
>
>> Hey Folks:
>>
>> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but
>> Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder
>> how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist
>> camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>>
>> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
>> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do
>> you own them?
>>
>> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will
>> (soon) bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of
>> bikes for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding
>> enough to justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space for
>> me to store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement,
>> and neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner of
>> the living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that
>> doesn't get used very often.
>>
>> Current Stable:
>>
>> 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring
>> and some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride
>> allows/inspires it.
>>
>> 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy
>> flirtation with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as well.
>> I decided the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the
>> geometry readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all
>> with the Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for
>> expensive cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better
>> than the also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of my
>> erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance
>> tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler.
>>
>> How about you?
>>
>> Bob K. in Baltimore
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[stoker]

Rob - that's a lovely collection of bicycles.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Sam

[Garth]

Vee Tires is a bit of mystery, since there are 2 such companies. Vee Tire 
and Vee Rubber .  I have looked at both sites and left confused !



On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 9:37:22 AM UTC-4, Conway Bennett wrote:
>
> I went on a "budget" 700x47 tire buying spree last summer.  What I came up 
> with was the resist nomads and vee rubber 12s are great.  Actually the vee 
> tires I was sent were the grv model which I can't actually find info on but 
> appear to be the same tread as the 12s.  The resists are sort of like 
> budgety compasses and the vees are similar to a wtb riddler.
>
> Fair winds,
>
> Captain Conway Bennett
>
> On Apr 7, 2017, at 6:04 AM, Jeff Lesperance  > wrote:
>
> I like the Resist Nomad tires as a wallet friendly option. I used them on 
> an LHT owned several years ago, and now use them on my commuter. 
>
> http://resistparts.com/parts/tires-nomad/
>
> Jeff
> Silver Spring, MD
>
> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 5:37 AM, Garth > 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, the Vittoria Hypers are pretty decent for that price. I ran 2 sets 
>> of the 38/40 so far down to the casing☺ I run them at low pressures, 40-45 
>> or so. Not the highest of volume tires though on A719 rims at least. If you 
>> could use a 35mm tires I would recommend the Forte Metro tire from 
>> Performance Bike , yes, the big chains store. Don't laugh, these are very 
>> nice riding tires, I prefer them to the Vittoria but they don't come in 
>> larger 700c size.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Sam

[Patrick Moore]

I've been very pleased with how well Compass extralights hold up off road,
in firmish dirt (even light sand) and gravel. With modern sealants for
thorns, I feel more confident with my Elk Passes on dirt than I used to
with beefier road tires like Kojaks. I agree, I'm happy to spend top dollar
for extralight tires, especially if they hold up as well as my Compasses
seem to do.

Speaking of very light tires: I had to replace a Furious Fred on the
Matthews recently due to a large cut*, and looked up the mileage on the
original pair. 2,404 to date, and the rear still has at least 1/2 height
little knoblets left! PDG for a 700C, 51 mm tire (33 mm outer width rims)
that weighs an honest 360 grams and that sees at least 1/3 of its miles on
pavement, often with a load!

* Perhaps a gravel cut, or cut by some similar large and sharp object, on
the edge of the tread. A nubbin of Orange Seal and dirt held air in place
for several months until I upped the pressure to 32 psi, and the higher
pressure blew out a geyser of OS. Fenders are good!

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 7:51 AM, Chris Birkenmaier 
wrote:

> I have Compass Gran Bois 42mm Hetres in cream on mine.  The bike is orange
> and with the cream tires they look stunning (in my opinion).  The ride is
> great too.  I'm sold on Compass and other supple tires to the point I don't
> want to ride anything else.
>
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[RBW] Re: Tires for Sam

[EasyRider]

I have 700x38 Panaracer Paselas on my Rosco, in the non-tourguard version. 
A new pair go for about $50. I have the same tire in 32 on an RBT and had 
1.75s on a Trek 950 before swapping out to Big Bens out of boredom. Most of 
my 14 mile daily roundtrip commute  is on bike paths and city streets, and 
I can't remember the last time I got a flat with plain old Paselas. If I 
were going to ride a lot on road shoulders I'd probably look to a Schwalbe 
Marathon or the like. Besides the Barlow Pass, I'm interested in the 700x40 
Clement Xplors.

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 8:15:33 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
>  know the cream of the crop recommendation for the Sam is the 38mm Compass 
> Barlow Pass. What about others that are a little less? How about the 
> Continental's that Riv sells. They call them "basketball" tires. Anyone 
> with first hand knowledge on the Conti's?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Sam

[Patrick Moore]

I commuted across town for several years on 559 X 32 mm non-Tourguard
Paselas. They ride well for the price, but FWIW, I found them rather
delicate (sidewalls started to decay after a year or so in the sun; I once
scraped an inch of tread off the rear casing with an unplanned skid), and
very liable to goathead -- and other types of -- flats. I found Kojaks to
roll as well and to be far less liable to punctures and damage.

Perhaps the 700C X 38s have a thicker tread? The 559 X 32 (1.25") models
weighed only 240 grams on a mail scale.

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 9:19 AM, EasyRider  wrote:

> I have 700x38 Panaracer Paselas on my Rosco, in the non-tourguard version.
> A new pair go for about $50. I have the same tire in 32 on an RBT and had
> 1.75s on a Trek 950 before swapping out to Big Bens out of boredom. Most of
> my 14 mile daily roundtrip commute  is on bike paths and city streets, and
> I can't remember the last time I got a flat with plain old Paselas. If I
> were going to ride a lot on road shoulders I'd probably look to a Schwalbe
> Marathon or the like. Besides the Barlow Pass, I'm interested in the 700x40
> Clement Xplors.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Jeremy Till]

I told the wife about this thread and she laughed, since this has been a 
constant theme throughout our relationship.  I've owned as many as 5 or 6 
bikes at once but because of various constraints I think my ideal is 
somewhat less than that.  Up until recently the constraints were mainly 
space and financial, being in my twenties and constantly switching 
work/living situations, and generally living in small apartments in urban 
areas.  We bought a house with a garage (specifically for bikes) a couple 
of years ago, so now the constraints are mainly financial and the mental 
energy/time to build/optimize/maintain a number of bikes.  Right now I'm at 
3.5, with a good variety of tire size/fit/capability; they are:

1. 2013 64cm Surly Long Haul Trucker, my main commuter and general purpose 
ride.  My first "serious" bike was a 700c touring bike and even though I 
end up touring only once every 4 years or so, I think that I'll probably 
always end up owning one. They just seem to fit my needs for a bike: 
durable and reliable, good for long rides but comfortable enough to ride in 
street clothes, fatter tires and fenders, able to carry loads.  
2. ~1982 62cm Medici Pro Strada, originally bought specifically for Eroica 
CA but have kept it as my main road bike.  Don't think i need more than 2x5 
or 6 friction-shifted gears on a road bike.  Still sees gravel to keep my 
skills sharp for Eroica.  
3. 2014 59cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr.  I'm 100% on board with the upright 
bars and long chainstays direction Rivendell has been going the past few 
years, even since riding the original "Proto-Appalloosa/Mystery Bike" that 
Riv did back in 2011-2012, and this bike is the embodiment of that. 
 Originally bought as a rough stuff/mtb, but the bike racks on the train 
that I commute on won't fit 2"+ tires without scratching the rims, and it's 
really a shame not to be able to commute on a bike like this.  So a couple 
of weeks ago I bought some 700x40 WTB Nanos for it and now it's my 
secondary commuter/town/everything bike, with the most off road capability 
of any of my bikes.

I actually ended up commuting on all three of these bikes at least once 
this week and really enjoyed the contrasts.  I've wondered if I could be 
one bike guy but I think I enjoy those contrasts too much.  

The .5 is an Xtracycle Edgerunner cargo bike with NuVinci CVT hub, my wife 
lets me count this as .5 because she can ride it too.  Great for big 
shopping runs and other load-hauling needs.  

On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-7, Bob K. wrote:
>
> Hey Folks:
>
> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
> Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
> how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
> camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>
> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do you 
> own them? 
>
> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will (soon) 
> bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of bikes for 
> a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding enough to 
> justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space for me to 
> store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, and 
> neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner of the 
> living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
> doesn't get used very often.
>
> Current Stable:
>
> 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring and 
> some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride allows/inspires 
> it.
>
> 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy flirtation 
> with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as well. I decided 
> the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the geometry 
> readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all with the 
> Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for expensive 
> cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better than the 
> also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of my 
> erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance 
> tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler. 
>
> How about you?
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Did someone buy Grant's Atlantis?

[BenG]

Cash flow drives an owner to all sorts of measures.

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne complete

[Will Ashe]

Build kit sold. Someone buy this frame, I'll lower the price to $925 
shipped.

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 4:14:55 PM UTC-7, Will Ashe wrote:
>
> Shipping and packing for the build kit or frame/fork/headset will be about 
> $100 per my LBS. I will split the cost so tack $50 on to these prices for 
> shipping included.  

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Belopsky]

For me, a commuter is a cheap bike I do not worry about locking up. Crime 
is low here, that is not the issue, but I feel bad beating up nice 
frames..but paint is paint and can always be repainted later? My things do 
not stay pretty long, I've been out on my BJ Audax End End just a few times 
(~50 some miles outdoors - a lot more on the trainer this winter..) and you 
would be surprised at the amount of road rash - the stove baked enamel is 
pretty, but not durable :)

My current commuter is a cheapo frame so I do not feel bad at all. It would 
be nice if the commuter could also be a cruiser, but unfortunately this 
bike is a commuter/grocery getter (pending some sort of a rack setup, 
probably a Wald basket eh?)

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne complete

[Belopsky]

IMO the best color combo for the SH. Good luck!

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[RBW] Re: Did someone buy Grant's Atlantis?

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I would think even Grant would want to sell a bike now and again from his 
personal collection.  With new models coming out it must be tempting to 
have other bikes.

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 11:28:47 AM UTC-4, BenG wrote:
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> Cash flow drives an owner to all sorts of measures.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Did someone buy Grant's Atlantis?

[Eric Norris]

In my experience, people in the bike business are much less sentimental about 
their bicycles than the rest of us. 

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> On Apr 7, 2017, at 9:49 AM, Chris Birkenmaier  wrote:
> 
> I would think even Grant would want to sell a bike now and again from his 
> personal collection.  With new models coming out it must be tempting to have 
> other bikes.
> 
> On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 11:28:47 AM UTC-4, BenG wrote:
> Cash flow drives an owner to all sorts of measures.
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[RBW] Here is your balance!

[Deacon Patrick]

I keep getting wonderful emails from Rivendell declaring “Here is your 
balance!” (my mind adds the exclamation mark. Grin.). How true it is, given I 
ride a bike now, on a Rivendell, despite having constant neurological vertigo 
attempting to throw me off the planet! Grin.

I believe, however, they are referring to my balance of “Riv dollars” rather 
than my proprioceptive spacial awareness. Grin.

Always an entertaining email for me to receive!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: book of possible interest to Rivendell riders

[Tony]

I prefer records and friction shifting. Records are just what I grew up 
with - same with friction shifting on the Schwinn I rode back in the day. I 
have CDs, stream music, and am fine with the index shifters some of my 
recent bikes have had. And yet, there is a sense of grace and connectedness 
to my Sam of the Hills Borne with friction shifting. I like starting off 
from a stop standing up with hands at the front of the albastache bar, 
sitting back in the saddle, hands sliding back and upshifting to get back 
to speed. How many times have I done this? - the simple enjoyment never 
gets old.

Records kept clean and stored well are a similar pleasure. I understand the 
reason people like the new reissues on 180 gram vinyl, but I'll look for an 
original pressing, *with* the original inner sleeve thank-you-very-much. To 
the other comments about hi fi - I tend towards the British and PRAT.
 
Tony

On Thursday, March 30, 2017 at 7:29:46 AM UTC-7, Jim S. wrote:
>
> I have been reading a new book that might be of interest to group members: 
> *The 
> Revenge of Analog *by David Sax. So far, the author has discussed the 
> revival of vinyl records just when it appeared that the MP3 had conquered 
> vinyl forever. I think he's going to take it to other areas as well.
>
> I see parallels between a preference for vinyl records and a preference 
> for friction shifting, among other things. (It could be that I just spend 
> too much time thinking about bikes.)
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 3M helicopter tape

[Les Lammers]

It comes off easily. There are 1" and 2" strips on ebay.

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 10:24:02 AM UTC-4, George Schick wrote:

> This is good to know - I've been looking for something like this for chain 
> slap protection.  It's gosh awful expensive, though, so it's good to know 
> that you can buy it in strips, too.  Entering the product name into a 
> Google search and then pulling up all of the images I see lots of photos of 
> bikes and bike shops using this, as well, so it's evidently one of those 
> best-kept little secrets.  In the event that it would ever need to be 
> replaced, though, how difficult is it to loosen the adhesive? 
>
> On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 6:57:08 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> You can buy pieces on ebay, but make sure it's 3M.  I made the mistake of 
>> buying some that was just clear vinyl with no adhesive.  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: book of possible interest to Rivendell riders

[Jim S.]

Tony: I am in agreeance. 

And there's more. He writes about the return of the written journal, i.e., 
the moleskine, the return of film over digital photography, the return of 
the retail store, the return of the analog watch, and I think there's going 
to be some business about fountain pens coming up. I don't know for sure, 
as the irony of this is that I'm listening to the book on audible.com so I 
don't have the table of contents.

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 12:20:13 PM UTC-5, Tony wrote:
>
> I prefer records and friction shifting. Records are just what I grew up 
> with - same with friction shifting on the Schwinn I rode back in the day. I 
> have CDs, stream music, and am fine with the index shifters some of my 
> recent bikes have had. And yet, there is a sense of grace and connectedness 
> to my Sam of the Hills Borne with friction shifting. I like starting off 
> from a stop standing up with hands at the front of the albastache bar, 
> sitting back in the saddle, hands sliding back and upshifting to get back 
> to speed. How many times have I done this? - the simple enjoyment never 
> gets old.
>
> Records kept clean and stored well are a similar pleasure. I understand 
> the reason people like the new reissues on 180 gram vinyl, but I'll look 
> for an original pressing, *with* the original inner sleeve 
> thank-you-very-much. To the other comments about hi fi - I tend towards the 
> British and PRAT.
>  
> Tony
>
> On Thursday, March 30, 2017 at 7:29:46 AM UTC-7, Jim S. wrote:
>>
>> I have been reading a new book that might be of interest to group 
>> members: *The Revenge of Analog *by David Sax. So far, the author has 
>> discussed the revival of vinyl records just when it appeared that the MP3 
>> had conquered vinyl forever. I think he's going to take it to other areas 
>> as well.
>>
>> I see parallels between a preference for vinyl records and a preference 
>> for friction shifting, among other things. (It could be that I just spend 
>> too much time thinking about bikes.)
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: book of possible interest to Rivendell riders

[David Stein]

On the audible.com comment I have the same problem, I prefer books on
digital format and can't bring myself to buy a digital copy of a book about
analog. Real books are great, but they take up way too much space (i have a
small place), new hardcovers are going for like $35 these days, I always
lose my page, its less convenient to fall asleep with a book in bed than
your phone, and most recently my 1 year old puked on a $35 hardcover i just
bought and was reading (but he stays out of my record collection thank
goodness). Also, I tend to only read books once and don't see the point in
keeping them around vs. records which i'll listen to repeatedly over
decades. Maybe i'll just suck it up and by the digital version of this
analog book.

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 10:29 AM, Jim S.  wrote:

> Tony: I am in agreeance.
>
> And there's more. He writes about the return of the written journal, i.e.,
> the moleskine, the return of film over digital photography, the return of
> the retail store, the return of the analog watch, and I think there's going
> to be some business about fountain pens coming up. I don't know for sure,
> as the irony of this is that I'm listening to the book on audible.com so
> I don't have the table of contents.
>
>
> On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 12:20:13 PM UTC-5, Tony wrote:
>>
>> I prefer records and friction shifting. Records are just what I grew up
>> with - same with friction shifting on the Schwinn I rode back in the day. I
>> have CDs, stream music, and am fine with the index shifters some of my
>> recent bikes have had. And yet, there is a sense of grace and connectedness
>> to my Sam of the Hills Borne with friction shifting. I like starting off
>> from a stop standing up with hands at the front of the albastache bar,
>> sitting back in the saddle, hands sliding back and upshifting to get back
>> to speed. How many times have I done this? - the simple enjoyment never
>> gets old.
>>
>> Records kept clean and stored well are a similar pleasure. I understand
>> the reason people like the new reissues on 180 gram vinyl, but I'll look
>> for an original pressing, *with* the original inner sleeve
>> thank-you-very-much. To the other comments about hi fi - I tend towards the
>> British and PRAT.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> On Thursday, March 30, 2017 at 7:29:46 AM UTC-7, Jim S. wrote:
>>>
>>> I have been reading a new book that might be of interest to group
>>> members: *The Revenge of Analog *by David Sax. So far, the author has
>>> discussed the revival of vinyl records just when it appeared that the MP3
>>> had conquered vinyl forever. I think he's going to take it to other areas
>>> as well.
>>>
>>> I see parallels between a preference for vinyl records and a preference
>>> for friction shifting, among other things. (It could be that I just spend
>>> too much time thinking about bikes.)
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 3M helicopter tape

[Steve Palincsar]

And what, if anything does it do to the paint underneath?


On 04/07/2017 10:24 AM, George Schick wrote:
This is good to know - I've been looking for something like this for 
chain slap protection.  It's gosh awful expensive, though, so it's 
good to know that you can buy it in strips, too.  Entering the product 
name into a Google search and then pulling up all of the images I see 
lots of photos of bikes and bike shops using this, as well, so it's 
evidently one of those best-kept little secrets.  In the event that it 
would ever need to be replaced, though, how difficult is it to loosen 
the adhesive?


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[RBW] Re: sierra to the sea 2017

[Nels Sorenson]

I did the STTS in 2014.  I was surprised by the volume and rudeness of car 
traffic on the rural roads in central CA.  Make sure you have a mirror to 
see what is coming up behind you!  The ride was fun with a good group of 
people.  Fairly well organized, they have been doing this ride for a number 
of years.  The first two days route is new this year and looks fun, maybe 
the roads will be quieter.
I had to sign up and do Cycle Oregon later that summer to get the bad vibe 
out of my system after that week of kamikaze traffic in CA.  There are many 
more cyclists on CO (about 2000) but the roads are MUCH less travelled and 
for the most part drivers are more respectful of cyclists up north.  
The few times that cars actually moved over to give space on the STTS ride 
they almost always had WA or OR plates!  It's Cycle Oregon for me from now 
on...


On Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 6:21:32 PM UTC-7, ted wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> On the day registration for the Sierra to the Sea tour opened (and I think 
> filled) back in January, I signed up and plunked down my money.
> Now the trip is about 2.5 months away. I'm pretty excited about it and I'm 
> working on my fitness, bike (AHH) details, and what stuff to bring.
> I believe some folks here have done this ride in years past. If they, or 
> anyone else for that matter, have any advise or suggestions to pass on I'd 
> appreciate any input. Also if any of you all are doing it this rear that 
> would be cool to know too.
>
> thanks
> Ted
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[rob markwardt]

Thanks.  I like the Bleriot because it does everything, it's fendered, and 
it's the one bike that I always try to keep in ready-to-go at all times 
mode.  I ride it around the city, on trails, and my favorite is to take out 
on the many gravel trails East of Seattle heading into the mountains.  It's 
not really light but it is comfortable and reliable and can haul quite a 
bit on back.  The Hetchins is kind of the opposite being fairly 
lightweight, nimble, and fast (relative).  The Trek is kind of in 
between...perfect for long days on the road.  I kind of go in streaks on 
what I ride mainly based on the weather.  Late October to March are pretty 
gloomy so the Bleriot is on regular duty.   In the summer I rotate through 
my fenderless bikes.  If they don't get used after a couple years they 
go bye=bye (anybody need a PX-10?).

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 7:29:19 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Wonderful collection! What makes you choose the Bleriot, Trek, and 
> Hetchins as your principal rides? Do you cycle (!) through your preferences?
>
> I share many of your prejudices, though not all -- I like disc brakes -- 
> and I like what I see in the photos. All properly set up with drop bar a 
> wee bit below saddle, and with ends of hooks parallel to terra firma. Check.
>
> Me, if I had more money and less sense, I'd add a classic road racing bike 
> from the '70s to my own collection, though I'd build it up with that much 
> talked about but never used AM. May still do that. One reason I've not 
> accumulated more road bikes -- say, derailleur analogues of my 2 fixed Riv 
> Roads, is that I've been spoiled by the ride and feel of the Rivs and fear 
> that no others will live up to the standard; and I can't afford more Riv 
> customs. But if I could, I'd have Riv build me 700C analogues of my '99 
> gofast, one stripped for the AM hub, one for derailleur gearing and fenders 
> and racks and lighting. (*And* I'd buy a BR Trike with a Trykit 2 wd 
> derailleur system; or perhaps a differential fixed drive -- 67". Wonder if 
> Grant would make me one. Just kidding, Grant!)
>
> On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 5:20 PM, rob markwardt  > wrote:
>
>> I haven't purchased a bike in a couple years now but for me its always 
>> been about how the bike looks.  If it doesn't meet my narrow definition of 
>> cool then no matter how awesome the bike I'm not interested.  For me this 
>> means steel, classic road bike geometry, old school components, and 
>> graphics/colors/names that mesh with my brain.  Vintage 60s/70's road 
>> bikes?...YES!  Classic Riv roads/Rambo/Bleriot/Saluki/Legolas...YES!  I 
>> kind of dig the H.Homers and the Roadeos, etc. but I just can't get past 
>> the names so they aren't in my garage.  I also can't get past disc brakes, 
>> brifters, upright bars, and funky designs...I kind of like looking at them 
>> but I just don't want them.  I went bonkers for about ten years but I'm 
>> pretty happy now.  Here's what I have in order from what gets the most 
>> mileage.
>>
>> 1. Bleriot - awesome. I ride this bike all the time and if forced to pick 
>> one this is it.
>> 2. 77 Trek - Many miles the past couple years
>> 3. 74 Hetchins - sunny day road bike.  A visual of what I like?...this is 
>> it.
>> 4. Rock Combo - my mountain\snow\deluge bike
>> 5. 01 Riv custom - sunny day, long distance rider (haven't ridden this in 
>> months!)
>> 6. 71 Paramount - I love this bike but haven't ridden it for awhile.
>> 7. 79 Austro Daimler - recently converted to 650b...should be moving up 
>> the list soon.
>> 8. 72 PX-10  - Hibernating in the crawl space. 
>>
>> A few pics here
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-7, Bob K. wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Folks:
>>>
>>> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
>>> Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
>>> how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
>>> camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>>>
>>> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
>>> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do 
>>> you own them? 
>>>
>>> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will 
>>> (soon) bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of 
>>> bikes for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding 
>>> enough to justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space for 
>>> me to store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, 
>>> and neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner of 
>>> the living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
>>> doesn't get used very often.
>>>
>>> Current Stable:
>>>
>>> 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring 
>>> and some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride 
>>> allows/inspires it.
>>>
>>>

[RBW] WTB: Small Clem Jr Frame

[Johnny Alien]

I Am looking to see if anyone has a H frame Clem Jr in the 45 size they want to 
sell. 

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[rob markwardt]

thank you. 

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 7:30:43 AM UTC-7, stoker wrote:
>
> Rob - that's a lovely collection of bicycles.

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Ian A]

Nice one Mark!

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 10:35:23 PM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Tasty bikes. Too bad about the low bb on the Combo.
>
> On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 7:22:31 PM UTC-4, rob markwardt wrote:
>>
>> the forgotten link
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/albums/72157606340462594
>>
>> On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 4:20:30 PM UTC-7, rob markwardt wrote:
>>
>>> I haven't purchased a bike in a couple years now but for me its always 
>>> been about how the bike looks.  If it doesn't meet my narrow definition of 
>>> cool then no matter how awesome the bike I'm not interested.  For me this 
>>> means steel, classic road bike geometry, old school components, and 
>>> graphics/colors/names that mesh with my brain.  Vintage 60s/70's road 
>>> bikes?...YES!  Classic Riv roads/Rambo/Bleriot/Saluki/Legolas...YES!  I 
>>> kind of dig the H.Homers and the Roadeos, etc. but I just can't get past 
>>> the names so they aren't in my garage.  I also can't get past disc brakes, 
>>> brifters, upright bars, and funky designs...I kind of like looking at them 
>>> but I just don't want them.  I went bonkers for about ten years but I'm 
>>> pretty happy now.  Here's what I have in order from what gets the most 
>>> mileage.
>>>
>>> 1. Bleriot - awesome. I ride this bike all the time and if forced to 
>>> pick one this is it.
>>> 2. 77 Trek - Many miles the past couple years
>>> 3. 74 Hetchins - sunny day road bike.  A visual of what I like?...this 
>>> is it.
>>> 4. Rock Combo - my mountain\snow\deluge bike
>>> 5. 01 Riv custom - sunny day, long distance rider (haven't ridden this 
>>> in months!)
>>> 6. 71 Paramount - I love this bike but haven't ridden it for awhile.
>>> 7. 79 Austro Daimler - recently converted to 650b...should be moving up 
>>> the list soon.
>>> 8. 72 PX-10  - Hibernating in the crawl space. 
>>>
>>> A few pics here
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-7, Bob K. wrote:
>>>
 Hey Folks:

 I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
 Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
 how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
 camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:

 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do 
 you own them? 

 My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will 
 (soon) bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of 
 bikes for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding 
 enough to justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space 
 for 
 me to store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, 
 and neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner 
 of 
 the living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
 doesn't get used very often.

 Current Stable:

 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring 
 and some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride 
 allows/inspires it.

 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy 
 flirtation with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as 
 well. 
 I decided the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the 
 geometry readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all 
 with the Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for 
 expensive cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better 
 than the also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of 
 my 
 erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance 
 tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler. 

 How about you?

 Bob K. in Baltimore



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Re: [RBW] Re: 3M helicopter tape

[Les Lammers]

It does nothing to the paint. The same material is sold as Invisabra for 
automotive use. 

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 1:51:24 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

> And what, if anything does it do to the paint underneath? 
>
>
> On 04/07/2017 10:24 AM, George Schick wrote: 
> > This is good to know - I've been looking for something like this for 
> > chain slap protection.  It's gosh awful expensive, though, so it's 
> > good to know that you can buy it in strips, too.  Entering the product 
> > name into a Google search and then pulling up all of the images I see 
> > lots of photos of bikes and bike shops using this, as well, so it's 
> > evidently one of those best-kept little secrets.  In the event that it 
> > would ever need to be replaced, though, how difficult is it to loosen 
> > the adhesive? 
>
>

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[RBW] FS: Sugino XD2 Triple Crankset w/ New Willow Rings. 175mm

[David Banzer]

Started gathering parts for a build that I'm abandoning and parting out.
so...

Sugino XD2 Triple Crankset.
175mm length.
Some wear to the arms, but would polish up.
Including 3 new Willow chainrings - currently setup for photos as 49/37/25, 
but I have other sizes (49, 46, 39, 37, 34 - 110 bcd & 32, 30, 29, 25 - 74 
bcd)

$80 shipped. 
For $10 more, I can include a only very slightly used Shimano bottom 
bracket - whatever size Riv includes with new framesets - I think 110mm.
Regular Paypal is fine.
Contact offlist if you're interested.
Thanks,
David 
River Grove, IL

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[RBW] Re: FS/FT- 23" Stumpjumper, F/F & extras -$225-

[David Banzer]

Bumping and lowering.
$200 plus shipping.
Thanks,
David

On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 2:13:17 PM UTC-5, David Banzer wrote:
>
> I picked this up from Ant, am just a hair shorter than him, and decided 
> it's not going to work for my intended drop bar build. 
> Offering it up again to the list, with all the extras originally listed. 
> $225 plus shipping. 
> Thanks,
> David 
> Chicago

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe Mixte

[Davey Two Shoes]

Could you comment and the difference in ride characteristics between your 
Rosco and the Clem?

Thanks Duderino!

On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 6:53:18 PM UTC-4, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
> Hello friends.  I wanted to share a couple of photos of my Rosco Bubbe 
> mixte and early impressions.   This is my first Rivendell and only the 
> second one I've ridden; the first being a Clem-L at A-1 Cycle in 
> Indianapolis.  I had this bike built as my (new) daily commuter.  I truly 
> enjoy the plush, and yet lively ride it provides.  Doc.  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Sam

[EasyRider]

I think the Kojaks look have a really cool moto look, especially the fat 
ones. When I bore of the 26x2.15 Big Bens on my commuter, I'll either get 
Kojaks or some ThunderBurts in 26", if there are any left.

For the OP, I imagine the Little Big Ben 700x40s are as indestructible as 
the 26 inchers. I've put almost 2,000 miles on mine since August with no 
noticeable wear or flats, and they roll well.


On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 11:25:35 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I commuted across town for several years on 559 X 32 mm non-Tourguard 
> Paselas. They ride well for the price, but FWIW, I found them rather 
> delicate (sidewalls started to decay after a year or so in the sun; I once 
> scraped an inch of tread off the rear casing with an unplanned skid), and 
> very liable to goathead -- and other types of -- flats. I found Kojaks to 
> roll as well and to be far less liable to punctures and damage.
>
> Perhaps the 700C X 38s have a thicker tread? The 559 X 32 (1.25") models 
> weighed only 240 grams on a mail scale.
>
> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 9:19 AM, EasyRider  > wrote:
>
>> I have 700x38 Panaracer Paselas on my Rosco, in the non-tourguard 
>> version. A new pair go for about $50. I have the same tire in 32 on an RBT 
>> and had 1.75s on a Trek 950 before swapping out to Big Bens out of boredom. 
>> Most of my 14 mile daily roundtrip commute  is on bike paths and city 
>> streets, and I can't remember the last time I got a flat with plain old 
>> Paselas. If I were going to ride a lot on road shoulders I'd probably look 
>> to a Schwalbe Marathon or the like. Besides the Barlow Pass, I'm interested 
>> in the 700x40 Clement Xplors.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Tires for Sam

[Ed Carolipio]

I put a set of Panaracer Col de la Vie 650bx38mm on my sister's bike. 
Comfortable, not too heavy, easy on and off the rim, tan sidewalls for a 
retro look, and a set goes for less than $50 shipped. She did get a flat on 
one ride when a piece of glass got stuck between the treads then worked 
itself through the casing, but tough to blame the tire for that. I still 
consider it a good value tire in that size.


On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 5:15:33 PM UTC-7, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
>  know the cream of the crop recommendation for the Sam is the 38mm Compass 
> Barlow Pass. What about others that are a little less? How about the 
> Continental's that Riv sells. They call them "basketball" tires. Anyone 
> with first hand knowledge on the Conti's?
>

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[RBW] Re: Swift Industries luggage?

[Stuart Lovinggood]

I have a Zeitgeist saddle bag in the large size and love it. Bought it with 
my winnings from my first and only foray into a paid fantasy football 
league. It's well made and has served me well. 

Funny you post that @ultraromance bag, I have been waiting on that one. He 
has a pre-order list you can email him about. The Zeitgeist is great but I 
wish it was juuust bit bigger so I could fit everything I need for a 
commute without relying on panniers or adding a basket. I mean, the 
Zeitgeist already quite a big saddle bag, but I'm looking for an un-leather 
bag in the category of the medium or large Saddlesack, both of which are 
bigger than the Z. 

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 6:51:57 AM UTC-5, Leaf Slayer wrote:
>
> On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 9:37:44 AM UTC-7, johnb wrote:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> I have the hinterland Ozette and love it. My wife has the new Sugarloaf 
>> and loves it. Both are built to last, very light, great looking and super 
>> useful. I may pull the trigger on a Sugarloaf for myself for commuting. I 
>> cannot recommend them enough.
>>
>> john
>>
>
> Thanks for the info John. The Sugarloaf is spendy but also seems 
> practical. Years ago I ran a front basket with a Sackville shopsack and it 
> was okay but I never really loved it. The Sugarloaf seems a great way to 
> go. I do have a Berthoud front bag that's just been sitting in my basement 
> for a few years now. I'm thinking of parting with it and some Ortlieb front 
> panniers to foot the bill for some Swift gear. It's not really practical 
> but I just feel like mixing things up.
>
> Patrick, I hear you about waxed canvas. I have a 10yr old Carradice Nelson 
> LF that's been great. Swift used to do waxed canvas but stopped a while 
> back.I'm fine with their current materials.
>
> I'm also tempted to pull the trigger on one of these 
> www.ultraromance.bigcartel.com
>
> --mike 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 3M helicopter tape

[Steve Palincsar]

Thanks.


On 04/07/2017 02:53 PM, Les Lammers wrote:
It does nothing to the paint. The same material is sold as Invisabra 
for automotive use.


On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 1:51:24 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

And what, if anything does it do to the paint underneath?


On 04/07/2017 10:24 AM, George Schick wrote:
> This is good to know - I've been looking for something like this
for
> chain slap protection.  It's gosh awful expensive, though, so it's
> good to know that you can buy it in strips, too.  Entering the
product
> name into a Google search and then pulling up all of the images
I see
> lots of photos of bikes and bike shops using this, as well, so it's
> evidently one of those best-kept little secrets.  In the event
that it
> would ever need to be replaced, though, how difficult is it to
loosen
> the adhesive?




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[RBW] Re: Three 55cm and No 51cm Appaloosas Left

[Jonathan D.]

You convinced me to buy one of the last silver 55s. Coming in next week. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Ryan Fleming]

Rob that is a nice Peugeot. I didn't ride mine for years mainly because the 
headset threads were munged ...long story...but my partner and I found a 
Japanese fork - tange and  he cobbled together a headset out of various 
Tange headsets we had.  Basically my PX-10 has Nitto stem and moustache 
bars , a Shimano XTR crank  using a VO threadless bottom bracket , some 
nice 36 spoke wheels on old Campy record hubs and fat Pasela tires and it's 
a single speed. You live in Seattle , so I expect 1 gear may be somewhat 
limiting. 

My partner did an awesome of converting this bike and now I'm glad I didn't 
sell it. Still a really nice ride. I haven't ever seen a PX-10 with plain 
lugs BTW but I do remember reading that not all of them had  the filigreed 
Nervex lugs. I guess though that if you're not using it , probably time to 
get rid of it.

Sometimes many bikes does mean too many choices though

The rest of your stable is very nice as others have noted too. Love the 
colours on that Riv; the silver and orange is really striking

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 1:27:24 PM UTC-5, rob markwardt wrote:
>
> Thanks.  I like the Bleriot because it does everything, it's fendered, and 
> it's the one bike that I always try to keep in ready-to-go at all times 
> mode.  I ride it around the city, on trails, and my favorite is to take out 
> on the many gravel trails East of Seattle heading into the mountains.  It's 
> not really light but it is comfortable and reliable and can haul quite a 
> bit on back.  The Hetchins is kind of the opposite being fairly 
> lightweight, nimble, and fast (relative).  The Trek is kind of in 
> between...perfect for long days on the road.  I kind of go in streaks on 
> what I ride mainly based on the weather.  Late October to March are pretty 
> gloomy so the Bleriot is on regular duty.   In the summer I rotate through 
> my fenderless bikes.  If they don't get used after a couple years they 
> go bye=bye (anybody need a PX-10?).
>
> On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 7:29:19 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Wonderful collection! What makes you choose the Bleriot, Trek, and 
>> Hetchins as your principal rides? Do you cycle (!) through your preferences?
>>
>> I share many of your prejudices, though not all -- I like disc brakes -- 
>> and I like what I see in the photos. All properly set up with drop bar a 
>> wee bit below saddle, and with ends of hooks parallel to terra firma. Check.
>>
>> Me, if I had more money and less sense, I'd add a classic road racing 
>> bike from the '70s to my own collection, though I'd build it up with that 
>> much talked about but never used AM. May still do that. One reason I've not 
>> accumulated more road bikes -- say, derailleur analogues of my 2 fixed Riv 
>> Roads, is that I've been spoiled by the ride and feel of the Rivs and fear 
>> that no others will live up to the standard; and I can't afford more Riv 
>> customs. But if I could, I'd have Riv build me 700C analogues of my '99 
>> gofast, one stripped for the AM hub, one for derailleur gearing and fenders 
>> and racks and lighting. (*And* I'd buy a BR Trike with a Trykit 2 wd 
>> derailleur system; or perhaps a differential fixed drive -- 67". Wonder if 
>> Grant would make me one. Just kidding, Grant!)
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 5:20 PM, rob markwardt  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I haven't purchased a bike in a couple years now but for me its always 
>>> been about how the bike looks.  If it doesn't meet my narrow definition of 
>>> cool then no matter how awesome the bike I'm not interested.  For me this 
>>> means steel, classic road bike geometry, old school components, and 
>>> graphics/colors/names that mesh with my brain.  Vintage 60s/70's road 
>>> bikes?...YES!  Classic Riv roads/Rambo/Bleriot/Saluki/Legolas...YES!  I 
>>> kind of dig the H.Homers and the Roadeos, etc. but I just can't get past 
>>> the names so they aren't in my garage.  I also can't get past disc brakes, 
>>> brifters, upright bars, and funky designs...I kind of like looking at them 
>>> but I just don't want them.  I went bonkers for about ten years but I'm 
>>> pretty happy now.  Here's what I have in order from what gets the most 
>>> mileage.
>>>
>>> 1. Bleriot - awesome. I ride this bike all the time and if forced to 
>>> pick one this is it.
>>> 2. 77 Trek - Many miles the past couple years
>>> 3. 74 Hetchins - sunny day road bike.  A visual of what I like?...this 
>>> is it.
>>> 4. Rock Combo - my mountain\snow\deluge bike
>>> 5. 01 Riv custom - sunny day, long distance rider (haven't ridden this 
>>> in months!)
>>> 6. 71 Paramount - I love this bike but haven't ridden it for awhile.
>>> 7. 79 Austro Daimler - recently converted to 650b...should be moving up 
>>> the list soon.
>>> 8. 72 PX-10  - Hibernating in the crawl space. 
>>>
>>> A few pics here
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-7, Bob K. wrote:
>>>
 Hey Folks:

 I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up ev

Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Patrick Moore]

I commuted on beaters for years; some of them were quite nice riding if not
nice looking, or expensive; *item, *the 1966 or so Bottechia World Champion
that I fixified; the early model, sports tourer Raleigh Technium, also
fixified -- heavy and flexy, but man, Cadillac!; but then I considered by
2003 Riv custom hanging on the wall gathering dust, and had a local builder
install long horizontals for a fixed drivetrain. I commuted 30+ miles rt
for a number of years, threw it on bus bike racks; the Joe Bell paint held
up well. I figured, if 80% of your riding is commuting, why not commute on
the best? I have had no regrets, and the '03 has undergone a second
alteration for dyno wire guides and custom racks. I just rode it 'cross
town, 26 miles rt including 3 miles of dirt, and it is *almost* as fun to
ride as the almost-identical (but no fenders, lights, racks, bags, what
have you) '99 custom.

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Belopsky  wrote:

> For me, a commuter is a cheap bike I do not worry about locking up. Crime
> is low here, that is not the issue, but I feel bad beating up nice
> frames..but paint is paint and can always be repainted later? My things do
> not stay pretty long, I've been out on my BJ Audax End End just a few times
> (~50 some miles outdoors - a lot more on the trainer this winter..) and you
> would be surprised at the amount of road rash - the stove baked enamel is
> pretty, but not durable :)
>
> My current commuter is a cheapo frame so I do not feel bad at all. It
> would be nice if the commuter could also be a cruiser, but unfortunately
> this bike is a commuter/grocery getter (pending some sort of a rack setup,
> probably a Wald basket eh?)
>
> --
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Sam

[Broccoli Cog]

Easy, I am riding 40mm Clement X'plor USH MSO on my Sam now in the 120 Tpi 
version. They are a really good tire. The reason I was interested in the 
Compass is because I wanted a smooth or a herringbone style tread. In other 
words more road like since that is where I am mainly riding these days. I 
can recommend the Clement's without hesitation. 

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 11:25:35 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I commuted across town for several years on 559 X 32 mm non-Tourguard 
> Paselas. They ride well for the price, but FWIW, I found them rather 
> delicate (sidewalls started to decay after a year or so in the sun; I once 
> scraped an inch of tread off the rear casing with an unplanned skid), and 
> very liable to goathead -- and other types of -- flats. I found Kojaks to 
> roll as well and to be far less liable to punctures and damage.
>
> Perhaps the 700C X 38s have a thicker tread? The 559 X 32 (1.25") models 
> weighed only 240 grams on a mail scale.
>
> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 9:19 AM, EasyRider  > wrote:
>
>> I have 700x38 Panaracer Paselas on my Rosco, in the non-tourguard 
>> version. A new pair go for about $50. I have the same tire in 32 on an RBT 
>> and had 1.75s on a Trek 950 before swapping out to Big Bens out of boredom. 
>> Most of my 14 mile daily roundtrip commute  is on bike paths and city 
>> streets, and I can't remember the last time I got a flat with plain old 
>> Paselas. If I were going to ride a lot on road shoulders I'd probably look 
>> to a Schwalbe Marathon or the like. Besides the Barlow Pass, I'm interested 
>> in the 700x40 Clement Xplors.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: book of possible interest to Rivendell riders

[Patrick Moore]

A plug: my brother, Peter, also here in NM, has just commissioned a run of
custom, much-more-than-Moleskin (Italian? At any rate: Moleskin, hah!)
journals, which he hopes to market. You can enquire at writeint...@gmail.com.
Peter is also a connoisseur of fountain pens and film cameras.

Patrick Moore, who uses his iPhone for his notes, but who loves friction
shifting, in ABQ, NM

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 11:29 AM, Jim S.  wrote:

> Tony: I am in agreeance.
>
> And there's more. He writes about the return of the written journal, i.e.,
> the moleskine, the return of film over digital photography, the return of
> the retail store, the return of the analog watch, and I think there's going
> to be some business about fountain pens coming up. I don't know for sure,
> as the irony of this is that I'm listening to the book on audible.com so
> I don't have the table of contents.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 3M helicopter tape

[Ron Mc]

Chase with denatured alcohol after you remove it. Residual film will stick dirt

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Re: [RBW] Re: 3M helicopter tape

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have it on the Hilsen. It's almost invisible. It doesn't hurt the paint.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks, Nitto, Sackville

[Will Ashe]

All sold. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Ryan Fleming]

In theory, in an ideal , Platonic world  Patrick ,  I  agree that if  most 
of your riding is commuting, ride the best.  And if I had perfect security, 
 AKA  bike inside at work with me I'd totally ride my Rivendells to work 

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 4:36:12 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I commuted on beaters for years; some of them were quite nice riding if 
> not nice looking, or expensive; *item, *the 1966 or so Bottechia World 
> Champion that I fixified; the early model, sports tourer Raleigh Technium, 
> also fixified -- heavy and flexy, but man, Cadillac!; but then I considered 
> by 2003 Riv custom hanging on the wall gathering dust, and had a local 
> builder install long horizontals for a fixed drivetrain. I commuted 30+ 
> miles rt for a number of years, threw it on bus bike racks; the Joe Bell 
> paint held up well. I figured, if 80% of your riding is commuting, why not 
> commute on the best? I have had no regrets, and the '03 has undergone a 
> second alteration for dyno wire guides and custom racks. I just rode it 
> 'cross town, 26 miles rt including 3 miles of dirt, and it is *almost* as 
> fun to ride as the almost-identical (but no fenders, lights, racks, bags, 
> what have you) '99 custom.
>
> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Belopsky  > wrote:
>
>> For me, a commuter is a cheap bike I do not worry about locking up. Crime 
>> is low here, that is not the issue, but I feel bad beating up nice 
>> frames..but paint is paint and can always be repainted later? My things do 
>> not stay pretty long, I've been out on my BJ Audax End End just a few times 
>> (~50 some miles outdoors - a lot more on the trainer this winter..) and you 
>> would be surprised at the amount of road rash - the stove baked enamel is 
>> pretty, but not durable :)
>>
>> My current commuter is a cheapo frame so I do not feel bad at all. It 
>> would be nice if the commuter could also be a cruiser, but unfortunately 
>> this bike is a commuter/grocery getter (pending some sort of a rack setup, 
>> probably a Wald basket eh?)
>>
>> -- 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[LeahFoy]

I'm in the minority here in that I'm a bike minimalist. I've got TBBITW (The 
Best Bike in the World), a 2012 55cm Betty Foy. My husband has a 52 Clem H, in 
case I need a back-up bike. I've admired the other mixtes Rivendell has to 
offer - oh, how I love them! - but  I don't NEED them. I use my bike to get 
around the neighborhood and haul the boys' things to school, the park, etc. and 
this bike just works. In my 30s I have decided greed is a very unattractive 
quality that I saw in myself. I figured greed was something worth guarding my 
heart against, and I decided the antidote is contentment + gratitude.  So, I'm 
savoring my rides on my pretty blue bike with the red lug hearts, though I 
reserve the right to change it up every now and again with a new bag. I think 
it's a pretty good compromise! 

I almost didn't write this because I worried some of the N+1 crowd may take 
offense (please don't! I'm talking only about me, not you!) but then I saw The 
Wheelhouse posted something excellent on their new blog and I thought it 
captured my sentiments pretty well. And pictured is a Rivendell Sam Hillborne - 
swoon! 

So, if anyone is on the fence wondering if they need another, here's proof you 
can be happy as a gopher in new dirt with just one bike. Grin.

https://www.thewheelhouse.bike/blogs/the-wheelhouse-blog

Leah, who means well and hopes you will see it that way too, Las Vegas, NV

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Re: [RBW] Re: Did someone buy Grant's Atlantis?

[BenG]

I love (and have) a metal-colored bike, and I can see how that new silver 
Appaloosa might have functionally and aesthetically replaced the first Atlantis.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Batch of Rosco Mixtes - Maybe

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Well its official!  Word came down that the order was placed.  No firm 
date, price or color but hey its all good - its getting produced!  I'm 
already planning out my build which is half the fun.

On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 9:08:15 AM UTC-4, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> John, don't you have a birthday coming up this year?  wink wink!
>
> On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 1:43:57 AM UTC-4, Surlyprof wrote:
>>
>> I've been so intrigued/enamored with this bike since I saw the first one 
>> at Riv.  An RBW mixte with wide tire clearances and 650b sounds like a 
>> dream bike. Seems like the perfect bike for camping, trails, around town 
>> errands and even growing old with.  Even went as far as to ask the wife if 
>> I could just buy the frame, hang it in my shop and collect discounted build 
>> parts over the next 3-4 years.  That appears to be a no go since she bought 
>> me a Brompton for christmas.  I guess D=3 for now.
>>
>> Hope the sale comes together and Riv decides to do another run in a 
>> couple of years.  More of these should be on the roads and trails. Such a 
>> cool bike!
>>
>> John
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Patrick Moore]

Leah, greed don't enter in. Federal statute require a *minimum* of 3
bicycles, and defines these as road, errand, and dirt. Moreover, the
President (Trump!) will give you a gold star if you also own a British
Racing Tricycle.

Patrick Moore, who is 2 X 30 and then some, and quite free to violate the
anti-Silly act of 1908, in ABQ, NM.

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 5:26 PM, LeahFoy  wrote:

> I'm in the minority here in that I'm a bike minimalist. I've got TBBITW
> (The Best Bike in the World), a 2012 55cm Betty Foy. My husband has a 52
> Clem H, in case I need a back-up bike. I've admired the other mixtes
> Rivendell has to offer - oh, how I love them! - but  I don't NEED them. I
> use my bike to get around the neighborhood and haul the boys' things to
> school, the park, etc. and this bike just works. In my 30s I have decided
> greed is a very unattractive quality that I saw in myself. I figured greed
> was something worth guarding my heart against, and I decided the antidote
> is contentment + gratitude.  So, I'm savoring my rides on my pretty blue
> bike with the red lug hearts, though I reserve the right to change it up
> every now and again with a new bag. I think it's a pretty good compromise!
>
> I almost didn't write this because I worried some of the N+1 crowd may
> take offense (please don't! I'm talking only about me, not you!) but then I
> saw The Wheelhouse posted something excellent on their new blog and I
> thought it captured my sentiments pretty well. And pictured is a Rivendell
> Sam Hillborne - swoon!
>
> So, if anyone is on the fence wondering if they need another, here's proof
> you can be happy as a gopher in new dirt with just one bike. Grin.
>
> https://www.thewheelhouse.bike/blogs/the-wheelhouse-blog
>
> Leah, who means well and hopes you will see it that way too, Las Vegas, NV
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Batch of Rosco Mixtes - Maybe

[Bob Lovejoy]

I am not in the queue but that is excellent news!

A good day indeed...


Bob


On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 6:45:39 PM UTC-5, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> Well its official!  Word came down that the order was placed.  No firm 
> date, price or color but hey its all good - its getting produced!  I'm 
> already planning out my build which is half the fun.
>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne complete

[Will Ashe]

Thanks! I agree. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Patrick Moore]

Patrick Moore, who has actually been thinking very recently about gratitude
as a means to habitual *memento Dei.*

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> anti-Silly act of 1908, in ABQ, NM.
>
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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[adam leibow]

Have as many as u want - I have 5 but I'm about to get another rivendell 
(cheviot). 

1. Custom fillet brazed Lighthouse (Tim Neenan) Road - Shimano Ultegra 
6800, thomson/thomson, H plus son wheels
2. Surly Krampus - Full chris King sour apple (headset, BB, hubs), velocity 
duallys, hunter smooth move hi rise bars, moots seatpost, mix of XT & SLX
3. Rivendell Hunqapillar - standard riv build 
4. Black Mountain Cycles Monster Cross - SRAM CX1, paul stem, A23/ultegra 
wheels, etc. 
5. Crust Romanceur - built up like a rivendell: Honjo fenders, 1x10 
(11-42rear 38t front), Riv silver DT shifter, tallux+noodles

of course there is some overlap but variety is the spice of life or 
whatever. pics on my instagram: www.instagram.com/adom_L

On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-7, Bob K. wrote:
>
> Hey Folks:
>
> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
> Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
> how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
> camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>
> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do you 
> own them? 
>
> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will (soon) 
> bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of bikes for 
> a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding enough to 
> justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space for me to 
> store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, and 
> neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner of the 
> living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
> doesn't get used very often.
>
> Current Stable:
>
> 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring and 
> some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride allows/inspires 
> it.
>
> 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy flirtation 
> with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as well. I decided 
> the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the geometry 
> readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all with the 
> Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for expensive 
> cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better than the 
> also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of my 
> erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance 
> tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler. 
>
> How about you?
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 3M helicopter tape

[Marc40a]

I just covered the triangle of my bikepacking bike's frame last week to 
mitigate rub from baggage. I bought a large sheet from the online retailer 
named after a South American river and used a paper cutter to cut it to size. 
The key for application is to spray the frame with water, spray the sticky side 
of the tape with water and slap it on. You can then slide it around to position 
it. Squeegee out the bubbles as best you can  and let the tape dry over night. 
I had already prepped my frame by washing it and wiping it clean with a little 
thinner to make sure that I had a clean surface to work with before the 
application. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Orc]

Sometimes bicycles just accumulate without any rhyme or reason.

In my case, I started with TBBITW (my Trek 1000), which served me well for 
about two decades by itself, but then was extended into an xtracycle and 
made even better.  ~15,000 miles of long distance riding later I started 
doing organized randonneuring and started to find places where it wasn't 
TBBITW (it didn't climb very enthusiastically, which is a big problem in 
PNW randonneuring) so I bought a second machine for randonneuring and took 
it's place.   #2 started as a 650b machine, but the selection of 650b tires 
at the time sucked and I converted it to 700c.  About this time the bike 
nerds I knew started getting the fat tire disease and I discovered TBTITW 
(the best tires in the world, aka the 700x28c Resist Nomad), so I spent a 
couple hundred dollars on a used frame + components + Nomad 45s to build 
#3; a 700c fat-for-me bike (#3 didn't last very long;  I used it with tires 
of various sizes for a while, but it always felt like climbing up into the 
cab of a truck to ride it)   

Around this same time, I built bicycles for my sweetie (Murray Baja; it's 
amazing how much nicer a gaspipe frame rides when you strip all the extra 
heavy components off and make it into a 650b machine.  She spent $5 for it, 
and I put maybe $350 -- the SON28 was most of this -- into making it 
better) and children (Kogswell P/R for the eldest, and a tiny Shiromoto tri 
frame for the youngest) and poking around at these two 650b machines 
rekindled my itch for 650b, so when I had a chance to get a free GT Talera 
frame I used it and ended up with a 650b disc Sweet Fixie(tm) as my #4.

I passed a free pile on the way home from the store one afternoon and 
picked up #5 -- a SE draft gaspipe frame -- which got a pair of practice 
wheels stuffed under it to make a 3-speed project bike.

A third-hand Ahearne frame passed through my hands around then, and #3 was 
scrapped to provide parts to test it out (pretty frame, planed like it was 
going out of style, but slow and too tall for me) before I flipped the 
frame to someone in Alaska.

Sometime between the Sweet Fixie(tm) and the the Ahearne's transit of my 
clutter  I'd pulled the Trek 1000 frame out of my xtracycle when the DS 
chainstay had started to debond because of the lever action of countless 
heavily loaded trips back home from shopping, but one day (after I'd built 
a set of disc-specific wheels for the GT) I looked at the Trek 1000 frame, 
the old 650b rims from the GT's original wheelset, and decided that instead 
of these pieces lying around separately they'd do well together (and the 
lack of leverage + chain would keep the DS chainstay from further 
debonding) and with a pair of T2BTITW (the second best tires in the world; 
the 650x32b Hutchinson Confrerie des 650) it would give me a nice 
randonneuring bike again.

And then I found a wrecked (t-boned by a truck and with the rear triangle 
bent all to pieces) Trek 820 frame in size tiny that I grabbed for brazing 
practice and, after impulsively building it up with spare parts and riding 
it on a 200k loop realized that all of my previous bicycles suffered from 
being too tall and short for me.  I improved it by throwing away the 
threaded fork, then cutting off the rear triangle and brazing on a new one, 
then rode it almost exclusively for a year until I was right hooked 
(killing the fork, bending but not breaking the rear triangle, and breaking 
my left shoulder) and had to sideline it for the handmade from that I'd 
made as a copy of it but without mountain HT/ST geometry or super-heavy 
tubing.

So 6 machines (the handmade frame had the ST fail at the BB and I'm 
building a replacement frame while I can still get True Temper tubing), all 
part of an interative process to work out the most comfortable fit, and all 
(except the xtracycle) basically the same sort of machine give or take 6-8 
gears or a coaster hub.

   #1 Trek 1000, xtracycled
   #2 Soma Speedster, 650b->700c
   #3 Schwinn Crisscross, then Ahearne, then SE draft
   #4 GT Talera, 650b disc sweet fixie
   #5 Trek 1000, dextracycled & 650b
   #6 Mountainhack (Trek 820+Orc) 650b

So many things needed to come together to get from #1 to #6 that I don't 
know what I could have done to streamline the process.   And it's not as if 
1-5 are horrible machine, but they basically have no resale value for 
anything other than parts, and those parts are easier to find when they're 
attached to a functional bicycle.

-david parsons

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 4:26:01 PM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> I'm in the minority here in that I'm a bike minimalist. I've got TBBITW 
> (The Best Bike in the World), a 2012 55cm Betty Foy. My husband has a 52 
> Clem H, in case I need a back-up bike. I've admired the other mixtes 
> Rivendell has to offer - oh, how I love them! - but  I don't NEED them. I 
> use my bike to get around the neighborhood and haul the boys' things to 
> school, the park, etc. a

[RBW] Re: Did someone buy Grant's Atlantis?

[dougP]

Maybe Grant reached his personal "N"?  He does seem to be picking up 
examples of the latest offerings, putting his money where his design 
thinking has taken him.  Also called "eating your own cooking".  

dougP

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 7:41:26 PM UTC-7, Christopher Murray wrote:
>
> The other day (yesterday?) there was a Blug post offering Grant's 
> prototype Atlantis for sale. The price for the frame and fork was $1100 but 
> only $560 if you bought the parts to build it into a complete bike. The 
> post was only up for a very short time. I'm hoping some snatched it quick 
> and will post some pics of the ORIGINAL Atlantis or maybe Grant changed his 
> mind? Or maybe I dreamed this (not impossible!). Anyone else see this Blug? 
>
> Cheers!
> Chris
>

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