[RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

[Anton Tutter]

On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:23:37 AM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:
>
> And by the way...How come Honjo Hammered fenders for 650b prices swing 
> wildly from 80-something$/pair to almost 200$/pair?
>
> Are there different levels of quality among Honjo 650b hammered 
> fenders? Special runs?
>

Be careful when shopping for Honjos.  Some prices won't include the stays 
or hardware, just the bare fenders. Other prices will include everything 
needed for a typical installation. For example, Jitensha studios sells 
Honjo parts *a la carte*.  The fenders are ~$80 and by the time you add the 
stays, drawbolts, daruma bolt, sliding bracket, etc, you're up at $140-160. 
 Then there's also the fluctuating value of the Yen, and newer stock may be 
priced cheaper than older stock, etc...  Lastly, it could also be a matter 
of special runs.  I ordered Honjos* a la carte* from Jitensha, and was 
pleasantly surprised to find the leading and trailing ends of the fenders 
to be nicely scalloped like in the old French style. There had been no 
photos to indicate this. Bonus! 


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[RBW] Re: Surly after Riv

[Garth]

   
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[RBW] Re: Surly after Riv

[Ron Mc]

Exactly.  Garth beat me to it.  Remember Not Ready for Primetime Players? 
 In a way, Surly is Not Ready for Rivendell.  It's tough to justify a $3000 
bike.  Surly is in a good place in the market.  The MegaBikeShops all carry 
Surly, so it's good see them as a serious steel bike entry in the throwaway 
mass market.  Not belittling the bike as much as our economy.  Grant builds 
an instant classic, by design, even by making every model a limited 
edition.  Every Rivendell will always be great.  

On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 6:47:34 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>
>
>- Imitation is the greatest form of flattery 
>
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[RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

[Ron Mc]

here's the best safety option for Honjo fenders - tire wipers - Compass 
sells them.  



You can see them at the bottom of my fenders.  They keep Everything except 
dust and water out of the fenders - they even scrape mud (within reason). 
 No sticks, no rocks, no chert - they reject it all.  As far as clearance 
goes, if you can see air, it's too much, and the fenders won't be able to 
do their job.  



On Monday, October 13, 2014 10:46:09 PM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote:

> 1. How much clearance above tread, all around tire?
> 2. How much clearance from sides of tire (where the rolled edges envelope 
> sides of tire)?
> 3. Should I just get the widest fender that will fit on the bike? I am 
> hoping to settle on 32-42mm Compass/GB tires for my Bleriot. I have Hetres 
> on it now, but no fenders yet.
>
> I will have to re-check the latest BQ issue for the fender safety article. 
> I think it said minimum 1.7cm vertical clearance all around tread?
>

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[RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

[Ron Mc]

Anton, I bought my Honjos from Jitensa and even racking up stays and 
fasteners, the bill was not excessive.  If you totally want to cut the 
cost, you can go with Tanaka fenders (who I'm guessing makes VO fenders).  

On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 6:40:10 AM UTC-5, Anton Tutter wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:23:37 AM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> And by the way...How come Honjo Hammered fenders for 650b prices swing 
>> wildly from 80-something$/pair to almost 200$/pair?
>>
>> Are there different levels of quality among Honjo 650b hammered 
>> fenders? Special runs?
>>
>
> Be careful when shopping for Honjos.  Some prices won't include the stays 
> or hardware, just the bare fenders. Other prices will include everything 
> needed for a typical installation. For example, Jitensha studios sells 
> Honjo parts *a la carte*.  The fenders are ~$80 and by the time you add 
> the stays, drawbolts, daruma bolt, sliding bracket, etc, you're up at 
> $140-160.  Then there's also the fluctuating value of the Yen, and newer 
> stock may be priced cheaper than older stock, etc...  Lastly, it could also 
> be a matter of special runs.  I ordered Honjos* a la carte* from 
> Jitensha, and was pleasantly surprised to find the leading and trailing 
> ends of the fenders to be nicely scalloped like in the old French style. 
> There had been no photos to indicate this. Bonus! 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO Mark's Rack and Berthoud adjustable rack and VO Randonner rack.

[Steve Palincsar]

des the hanging ededux 2 exist at this point? 

lungimsam  wrote:

>Looking online, I haven't found many front racks for sidepulls, and the
>
>only one I have seen with a dedicated light mount is the Berthoud rack 
>(non-drive side). That is a big attraction to me, since I would hate to
>get 
>a rack and discover that the light I want (hanging edelux II) won't fit
>
>easily.
>
>Looks like an edelux I can be made to fit onto a Mark's rack per Feb 14
>
>BLUG post 2014. Uses a Sheldon's nut as the mounting "arm".
>
>The hanging edelux II version may be available in
>January/Feb/March/April 
>2015 according to SON and their distributor here in the states. 
>
>Well, I have plenty of time to think about it since its 3-7 months
>until it 
>is even available for purchase here in the States.
>
>PS - SON also says that no new road hubs will be out anytime in the
>near 
>future.
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Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO Mark's Rack and Berthoud adjustable rack and VO Randonner rack.

[lungimsam]

The hanging edelux II version may be available in January/Feb/March/April 2015 
according to SON and their distributor here in the states.

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[RBW] Re: Platform/Spiked pedals question (gripsters, grip kings, etc.)

[Ron Mc]

Reporting on my first ride in the correct shoes on new Thin Gripsters. 
 Wasn't a very long ride, about 15 mi, but a good clip chasing my daughter. 
 The answer is they're reliable and invisible - everything you want.  Don't 
have to think about them, they don't strike the ground in spite of their 
width (made up for by their thin profile).  Total thumbs up and I'm sold on 
them over Grip Kings.  I thought their shorter length might cause arch 
strain, but it didn't happen.  

I sprung for the alloy Fyxation 61 for my daughter's bike.  Part of the 
reason for the ride was to get her saddle height dialed in with the new 
pedals.  Had the scare of my life.  She was kind of throwing a fit over the 
saddle discomfort, and riding with her normal mitochondria charge (her 
mother is a marathon runner).  We were on a paved bike path and approaching 
a turn and steep drop to the creek crossing. She turned in hot, locked up 
her front V-brake and flipped.  Amazingly no significant damage to either 
the bike or especially her.  To show you her stick-to-it, she had the full 
spook all of us have after a spill of this magnitude.  After vacillating 
turn back or keep going, she opted to ride 10 more miles and complete the 
ride.  

This is a cheap but decent city bike I bought for my daughter when she was 
turning 11, and it's now her second bike. It had MKS city pedals with 
half-toe clips, but when she was complaining about stop-and-go at San 
Antonio Siclovia a few weeks ago, the platform pedal lust kicked in.  I 
know $90 pedals seem excessive on this bike, but she likes them and maybe 
we'll find the pedals a nicer home someday...




On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:45:38 AM UTC-5, Paul Brodek wrote:
>
> I haven't used any of the ones you linked to. I tried a pair of these 
> Tubro (correct spelling!) platforms as a cheaper alternative, they grip 
> fine:
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tubro-downhill-platform-CNC-Pedal-set-removable-pins-sealed-breaing-/261041670722
>
> My first platforms were MG1s, they're grippy enough for me, not too heavy, 
> and relatively cheap. They are thick, though, so I've bashed 'em cornering 
> a coupla times. I prefer thinner pedals these days. The Wellgo B132 are OK, 
> thinner than the MG1 and not too spendy. Both the VP001 and Vice work well 
> for me, though I find the 001 a little less grippy. The fyxation Mesa MP 
> were faves for a while, wide/thin platform, more foot support than the 
> Wellgos. The MP part is important, this is the version with Metal Pins. You 
> have to get over the platforms being plastic; fyxation does have an 
> aluminum version now, but it's more expensive. My current best-ever faves 
> are the VP Harrier---thin and light with a platform so big even Bozo's 
> shoes would fit comfy. They are expensive, so as much as I heart them I 
> won't be outfitting the fleet with them. I have a pair of Spank Spike 
> platforms on deck, very thin like the Harrier with a biggish platform. 
> Probably the most expensive pedal I've bought, so likely a one-off. I also 
> just got a pair of Xpedo Spry platforms, haven't had a chance to ride them 
> yet. The Sprys are the lightest pinned platforms I've seen, only 260g, so 
> I'll try them on a weight weenie bike. Fairly thin, fairly wide.
>
> I tend to be pretty narrow-minded with most of component choices, but 
> somehow eclecticism flowers when it comes to metal-pinned platform pedals. 
> Though I only ride metal-pinned platform pedals, so I guess that initial 
> narrow-mindness then broadens...
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA 
>
> On Monday, September 29, 2014 3:36:09 PM UTC-4, David Banzer wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have any experience with pedals that are similar to the 
>> VP-001Thin Gripsters or VO Sabots?
>> I have silver VPs on my Redwood and love them. While I'd like to get the 
>> same for the rest of my bikes, the price does add up and silver doesn't 
>> appear to be an option anymore.
>> Specifically I saw these on eBay:
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/151016287549?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/WELLGO-KC008-Bike-Flat-Pedals-Sealed-Bearing-MTB-Aluminum-Platform-Pedals-9-16-/261568167720?pt=US_Pedals&var=&hash=item3ce6ad7f28
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Brand-4-Colors-Wellgo-KC007-Platform-MBT-BMX-Bike-Bicycle-Pedal-Pedals-9-16-/251471707962?pt=US_Pedals&var=&hash=item3a8ce1bf3a
>>
>> Either way, I'll be ordering another set of dark gray VPs from Riv 
>> shortly, but I have more space now which means all my project bikes can be 
>> built up fully.
>>
>> David
>> Chicago
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Surly after Riv

[Anne Paulson]

I am not remotely disappointed in Surly. Their wool stuff looks great.
And they have jerseys designed for women!

Ibex sold striped wool shirts before Rivendell. Doesn't mean that
Rivendell is a bad yucky copycat; just means that people like wool
shirts with stripes.

On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 8:55 PM, Bruce Smitham  wrote:
> OK, I'll admit that I own a Surly Pacer and have owned a LHT to get me down 
> the coast of California in the summer when my a Soma San Marcos build didn't 
> work out. I am disappointed in Surly these days. The Racing Sucks is so close 
> to "Un-Racer" and now they are making wool stripped shirts that totally 
> resemble the ones Riv is making. I just read it in their blog here: 
> http://surlybikes.com/blog/post/the_goods_that_are_soft
>
> Bruce "just a little disappointed in Surly" Smitham in San Diego
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[RBW] Re: Platform/Spiked pedals question (gripsters, grip kings, etc.)

[Deacon Patrick]

Yipes! Glad she's OK, and the bike too. Yep, I've the VP Vice on both mine 
and absolutely love them.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Platform/Spiked pedals question (gripsters, grip kings, etc.)

[Jim Bronson]

The Thin Gripster is also known as the VP-001, I ordered a pair from
Riv in the nice silver color but I also wanted a green pair and was
able to source some green VP-001 for $46 shipped from eBay.  They look
exactly identical to the ones I got from Rivendell other than the fact
they're green.

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:38 AM, Dave  wrote:
> Great thread in terms of making me interested in spending more bike money.  
> Blessing and a curse that the great price and special rbw had on the 
> gripsters made them quickly out of stock.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platform/Spiked pedals question (gripsters, grip kings, etc.)

[Ron Mc]

not exactly news, but that is surprisingly good price - so was Riv's web 
special price of $68 - it was enough to make me choose these a gang of 
different pedals I was also considering.  
https://www.google.com/shopping/product/8436814326799655119?q=VP-001+pedal&rlz=1C1PRFA_enUS414US414&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=625&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.77161500,d.b2U&ion=1&tch=1&ech=1&psi=gTI9VKn_JoPE8gHKkoDwDQ.1413296689587.7&ei=jzI9VKOtGaXy8QHlgYHwDQ&ved=0CJ8BEKkrMAI

On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:14:19 AM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> The Thin Gripster is also known as the VP-001, I ordered a pair from 
> Riv in the nice silver color but I also wanted a green pair and was 
> able to source some green VP-001 for $46 shipped from eBay.  They look 
> exactly identical to the ones I got from Rivendell other than the fact 
> they're green. 
>
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:38 AM, Dave > 
> wrote: 
> > Great thread in terms of making me interested in spending more bike 
> money.  Blessing and a curse that the great price and special rbw had on 
> the gripsters made them quickly out of stock. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Surly after Riv

[Jim Bronson]

I fully support the things that Surly is doing.  I even looked at an
XXL Ogre Disc the other day.  I've never seen a frame with so many
fork eyelets, and eyelets in general.  Can run 29x2.3 or
700Cx40-something with fenders.  Very versatile.  No, not as
attractive as a Rivendell, and probably doesn't ride as good, but if I
needed a vehicle to ride on a 3000 mile tour and I needed it ASAP, the
XXL Ogre would be hard to argue with.  MSRP is $1700 complete but my
shop said they could sell it to me for $1500.

Even if I had the time to wait for it, I don't think I could justify
replacing my custom Rivendell with another custom Rivendell should I
ever have a need to do so.  $3500 is a lot of bones.  Maybe a 71AHH,
but even that might be a stretch when there are many other nice steel
frames in the marketplace.  It would be hard to talk me out of a
Boulder All Road custom - tigged for $1685 or lugged for $1995.

A 64cm Sam Hillborne might have been my first choice but now that is
going out of production. :(

No matter though, I am happy with the 2 Rivendells that I now own and
hopefully won't have a need to replace them anytime soon.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 6:57 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:
> Exactly.  Garth beat me to it.  Remember Not Ready for Primetime Players?
> In a way, Surly is Not Ready for Rivendell.  It's tough to justify a $3000
> bike.  Surly is in a good place in the market.  The MegaBikeShops all carry
> Surly, so it's good see them as a serious steel bike entry in the throwaway
> mass market.  Not belittling the bike as much as our economy.  Grant builds
> an instant classic, by design, even by making every model a limited edition.
> Every Rivendell will always be great.
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 6:47:34 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>>
>> Imitation is the greatest form of flattery
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platform/Spiked pedals question (gripsters, grip kings, etc.)

[Jim Bronson]

Wow those things have really gone up in price!  I'm glad I have my two
pair already.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:
> not exactly news, but that is surprisingly good price - so was Riv's web
> special price of $68 - it was enough to make me choose these a gang of
> different pedals I was also considering.
> https://www.google.com/shopping/product/8436814326799655119?q=VP-001+pedal&rlz=1C1PRFA_enUS414US414&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=625&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.77161500,d.b2U&ion=1&tch=1&ech=1&psi=gTI9VKn_JoPE8gHKkoDwDQ.1413296689587.7&ei=jzI9VKOtGaXy8QHlgYHwDQ&ved=0CJ8BEKkrMAI
>
> On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:14:19 AM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> The Thin Gripster is also known as the VP-001, I ordered a pair from
>> Riv in the nice silver color but I also wanted a green pair and was
>> able to source some green VP-001 for $46 shipped from eBay.  They look
>> exactly identical to the ones I got from Rivendell other than the fact
>> they're green.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:38 AM, Dave  wrote:
>> > Great thread in terms of making me interested in spending more bike
>> > money.  Blessing and a curse that the great price and special rbw had on 
>> > the
>> > gripsters made them quickly out of stock.
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[RBW] Re: Surly after Riv

[iamkeith]

I LOVE Surly.  I was the one who put that "Racing Sucks" thread up on the 
list here, and I know I've said that the LHT is a "copy" of the  All 
Rounder - but I never meant to imply that they were followers and not 
leaders in their own right.   I just find the similarities and parallels 
between the companies as interesting as the differences.   Looking at the 
bike industry as an outsider, I'm guessing that there will always some 
subliminal cross-pollenation of ideas even between the true innovators, but 
I also think it's possible for different people/companies to come to 
similar conclusions in different ways.I personally found and fell in 
love with Rivendell because they shared convictions that I already had, 
about the folly of letting racing drive fashion, and of advancing 
"technology" strictly for marketing sake.  (And I'd never quit wearing 
wool, either.)  I'm not convinced Surly isn't just coming from the same 
place.  The irony, as we all know of course, is that BOTH companies 
actually end up influencing design trends more than all others combined 
- just in a positive way.  (Maybe Jeff Jones would be the only other in the 
same category?)  But here's the thing:   Speaking as a mountain biker 
foremost,  I'll even say that Surly, with their fat tire advancements and 
smart bikes that are accessible to more people, has done *more* to improve 
the sport than anyone in 30 years - including Rivendell.  


On Monday, October 13, 2014 9:55:41 PM UTC-6, Bruce Smitham wrote:

> OK, I'll admit that I own a Surly Pacer and have owned a LHT to get me 
> down the coast of California in the summer when my a Soma San Marcos build 
> didn't work out. I am disappointed in Surly these days. The Racing Sucks is 
> so close to "Un-Racer" and now they are making wool stripped shirts that 
> totally resemble the ones Riv is making. I just read it in their blog here: 
> http://surlybikes.com/blog/post/the_goods_that_are_soft
>
> Bruce "just a little disappointed in Surly" Smitham in San Diego
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem on the Blug

[Jim Bronson]

I clamp mine on the top tube or seat tube every time, never a problem
and never a scratch.  I am careful about it though.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 1:25 AM, Philip Williamson
 wrote:
> I've only ever clamped a seat post, never a tube. I've only had a work stand 
> for a few years, though.
> I may have seen a shop clamp a tube once or twice... In the eighties.
>
> You know what sucks? Balancing the bike with your HEAD while you try to 
> remove the bottom bracket. I put the bike in the stand to change a tire, now.
>
> Philip
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Re: [RBW] Surly after Riv

[Patrick Moore]

Anne: did you ever write up a review of the Knard? Whether so or no, I'd be
interested to learn how it handles and how it rides over soft and rough
ground, compared to the Atlantis or any other ~2" tired bike you've ridden.

Actually, I'm most interested in learning how 3" tires differ on soft and
on rough surfaces compared to 2" tires.

Thanks.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Anne Paulson 
wrote:

> I am not remotely disappointed in Surly. Their wool stuff looks great.
> And they have jerseys designed for women!
>
> Ibex sold striped wool shirts before Rivendell. Doesn't mean that
> Rivendell is a bad yucky copycat; just means that people like wool
> shirts with stripes.
>
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 8:55 PM, Bruce Smitham  wrote:
> > OK, I'll admit that I own a Surly Pacer and have owned a LHT to get me
> down the coast of California in the summer when my a Soma San Marcos build
> didn't work out. I am disappointed in Surly these days. The Racing Sucks is
> so close to "Un-Racer" and now they are making wool stripped shirts that
> totally resemble the ones Riv is making. I just read it in their blog here:
> http://surlybikes.com/blog/post/the_goods_that_are_soft
> >
> > Bruce "just a little disappointed in Surly" Smitham in San Diego
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was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it.
Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
* "Nothing outside you can give you any place," he said. "You needn't to
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somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
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any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem on the Blug

[Steven Frederick]

He "devolving" is more like it.  Surly's are competent bikes, with great
marketing.  Rivs' are great bikes with inspired marketing.

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Trenker  wrote:

>
> It looks like it's gradually evolving into a Surly.
>
> ( Surlies are really good bikes. )
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Re: [RBW] Re: Surly after Riv

[Tim Gavin]

Yeah, I hate those Riv guys, they just make copies of vintage Raleigh
Internationals and old French bikes.

--end sarcasm--

Most bike "problems" have been solved by our inventive ancestors.  Grant,
Jan, Sheldon and others have reminded us that almost every new product was
first in "The Data Book"
 years ago.

Surly and Riv both do a good job of creating practical solutions for
bicycles.  Grant does it with an emphasis on aesthetic, where Surly's
designs are more no-nonsense (and more approachably priced).

I applaud both for sticking to their guns and doing what they want, and for
the influence they've had on the industry in spite of what the "big guys"
are doing.

At the same time, I don't feel I owe either brand my unending loyalty.  I
don't feel constrained to buy a Riv if I want a fancy country bike; now I
could buy from several makers of stylish bicycles (thankfully, I found a
used Riv).  Similarly, I don't feel constrained to buy a Surly if I want a
fat bike; I just bought a Specialized Fatboy yesterday after much anguished
comparison to Surly's offerings (I work in a shop that carries Spec and
Surly).

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 9:49 AM, iamkeith  wrote:

> I LOVE Surly.  I was the one who put that "Racing Sucks" thread up on the
> list here, and I know I've said that the LHT is a "copy" of the  All
> Rounder - but I never meant to imply that they were followers and not
> leaders in their own right.   I just find the similarities and parallels
> between the companies as interesting as the differences.   Looking at the
> bike industry as an outsider, I'm guessing that there will always some
> subliminal cross-pollenation of ideas even between the true innovators, but
> I also think it's possible for different people/companies to come to
> similar conclusions in different ways.I personally found and fell in
> love with Rivendell because they shared convictions that I already had,
> about the folly of letting racing drive fashion, and of advancing
> "technology" strictly for marketing sake.  (And I'd never quit wearing
> wool, either.)  I'm not convinced Surly isn't just coming from the same
> place.  The irony, as we all know of course, is that BOTH companies
> actually end up influencing design trends more than all others combined
> - just in a positive way.  (Maybe Jeff Jones would be the only other in the
> same category?)  But here's the thing:   Speaking as a mountain biker
> foremost,  I'll even say that Surly, with their fat tire advancements and
> smart bikes that are accessible to more people, has done *more* to
> improve the sport than anyone in 30 years - including Rivendell.
>
>
> On Monday, October 13, 2014 9:55:41 PM UTC-6, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
>> OK, I'll admit that I own a Surly Pacer and have owned a LHT to get me
>> down the coast of California in the summer when my a Soma San Marcos build
>> didn't work out. I am disappointed in Surly these days. The Racing Sucks is
>> so close to "Un-Racer" and now they are making wool stripped shirts that
>> totally resemble the ones Riv is making. I just read it in their blog here:
>> http://surlybikes.com/blog/post/the_goods_that_are_soft
>>
>> Bruce "just a little disappointed in Surly" Smitham in San Diego
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: new to me Redwood - unpack/ride

[Leslie]

Have to admit, my canti-Rom is getting more saddle times these days:   
yesterday's ride between rainy days: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/15349848350/ 


On Monday, October 13, 2014 11:09:15 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Yeah, Roms of any variety are possibly the best value in Rivs ever. Clems 
> may give them a run for the money.
>
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 8:06 PM, James Warren  > wrote:
>
>>
>> Canti-Rom still might be coolest Riv ever!
>>
>> Redwood is of same vintage. Have fun!
>>
>>
>> On Oct 13, 2014, at 7:48 PM, cyclotourist wrote:
>>
>> Jim, saw that one sell on the bay and glad it went to a good home! Looks 
>> like someone thought it out and built it up thoughtfully. I've always felt 
>> the Redwoods were some of the most thoughtful bike Riv produced.
>>
>>  

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[RBW] Comments on Canari leg warmers? [Was: Over-the-knee knicker socks]

[Patrick Moore]

http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product_10053_10052_571211_-1___204690#ReviewHeader

Can anyone comment on the durability of these? Light weight is fine since
they would be for those (or these) intermediate days when it's cool but not
cold. I'm well equipped for cold.

Thanks

On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Thanks all. I like to pull the socks over my knees and cinch them there
> with the pants' cuffs. Otherwise the breeze bothers me. I've looked at S
> Trader but didn't find anything to suit; but thanks for the reference.
>
> Deacon: the idea of leg warmers is a good one -- but not old sweater
> sleeves, I'm afraid. I may choose leg warmers.
>
> I do use old merino pullover sleeves as arm warmers, though.
>
>
>
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[RBW] Kelso, Wa to San Francisco, Ca with Compass Barlow Pass 700x38c

[Ty Graham]

Hi,

I just yesterday completed a 900 mile ride from Kelso to San Francisco via the 
Adventure Cycling Route. 18 days. 45k feet of elevation.

I rode my Atlantis with the Compass Barlow Pass 700x38c tires.

My only report is nothing to report. No flats or issues. Just mile after mile 
(after mile) of smoothness and cush. Not even the funkiest road surfaces or 
surprise potholes could faze these tires. I couldn't be happier with them. 

Some data:
64 cm Atlantis
310 lbs for rider + fully loaded bike
70(ish) psi

I'll post more when I'm back to an actual PC. 
Happy Trails
TyG Seattle

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[RBW] Re: Kelso, Wa to San Francisco, Ca with Compass Barlow Pass 700x38c

[Deacon Patrick]

Fantastic, Ty! Hoping you have lots to report other than nothing negative 
to report. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:49:53 AM UTC-6, Ty Graham wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I just yesterday completed a 900 mile ride from Kelso to San Francisco via 
> the Adventure Cycling Route. 18 days. 45k feet of elevation.
>
> I rode my Atlantis with the Compass Barlow Pass 700x38c tires.
>
> My only report is nothing to report. No flats or issues. Just mile after 
> mile (after mile) of smoothness and cush. Not even the funkiest road 
> surfaces or surprise potholes could faze these tires. I couldn't be happier 
> with them. 
>
> Some data:
> 64 cm Atlantis
> 310 lbs for rider + fully loaded bike
> 70(ish) psi
>
> I'll post more when I'm back to an actual PC. 
> Happy Trails
> TyG Seattle
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Comments on Canari leg warmers? [Was: Over-the-knee knicker socks]

[Patrick Moore]

Never mind; I see that they are available only in XL+.



On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

>
> http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product_10053_10052_571211_-1___204690#ReviewHeader
>
> Can anyone comment on the durability of these? Light weight is fine since
> they would be for those (or these) intermediate days when it's cool but not
> cold. I'm well equipped for cold.
>
> Thanks
>
> On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks all. I like to pull the socks over my knees and cinch them there
>> with the pants' cuffs. Otherwise the breeze bothers me. I've looked at S
>> Trader but didn't find anything to suit; but thanks for the reference.
>>
>> Deacon: the idea of leg warmers is a good one -- but not old sweater
>> sleeves, I'm afraid. I may choose leg warmers.
>>
>> I do use old merino pullover sleeves as arm warmers, though.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>   * "Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to
> never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from
> it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
> * "Nothing outside you can give you any place," he said. "You needn't to
> look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind
> it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
> somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
> daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
> all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
> any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
> because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where
> in your time and your body can they be?*
> * "Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you?" he cried.
> "Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where
> Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of
> you can find it?” -- *Flannery O'Connor,* Wise Blood  *
>



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  * "Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never
was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it.
Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
* "Nothing outside you can give you any place," he said. "You needn't to
look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind
it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where
in your time and your body can they be?*
* "Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you?" he cried.
"Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where
Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of
you can find it?” -- *Flannery O'Connor,* Wise Blood  *

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RE: [RBW] Re: Surly after Riv

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

What led you to choose the Fatboy?  Did you also consider other fatbikes?

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gavin
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:14 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Surly after Riv

Yeah, I hate those Riv guys, they just make copies of vintage Raleigh 
Internationals and old French bikes.

--end sarcasm--

Most bike "problems" have been solved by our inventive ancestors.  Grant, Jan, 
Sheldon and others have reminded us that almost every new product was first in 
"The Data Book" years ago.

Surly and Riv both do a good job of creating practical solutions for bicycles.  
Grant does it with an emphasis on aesthetic, where Surly's designs are more 
no-nonsense (and more approachably priced).

I applaud both for sticking to their guns and doing what they want, and for the 
influence they've had on the industry in spite of what the "big guys" are doing.

At the same time, I don't feel I owe either brand my unending loyalty.  I don't 
feel constrained to buy a Riv if I want a fancy country bike; now I could buy 
from several makers of stylish bicycles (thankfully, I found a used Riv).  
Similarly, I don't feel constrained to buy a Surly if I want a fat bike; I just 
bought a Specialized Fatboy yesterday after much anguished comparison to 
Surly's offerings (I work in a shop that carries Spec and Surly).

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 9:49 AM, iamkeith 
mailto:keithhar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I LOVE Surly.  I was the one who put that "Racing Sucks" thread up on the list 
here, and I know I've said that the LHT is a "copy" of the  All Rounder - but I 
never meant to imply that they were followers and not leaders in their own 
right.   I just find the similarities and parallels between the companies as 
interesting as the differences.   Looking at the bike industry as an outsider, 
I'm guessing that there will always some subliminal cross-pollenation of ideas 
even between the true innovators, but I also think it's possible for different 
people/companies to come to similar conclusions in different ways.I 
personally found and fell in love with Rivendell because they shared 
convictions that I already had, about the folly of letting racing drive 
fashion, and of advancing "technology" strictly for marketing sake.  (And I'd 
never quit wearing wool, either.)  I'm not convinced Surly isn't just coming 
from the same place.  The irony, as we all know of course, is that BOTH 
companies actually end up influencing design trends more than all others 
combined - just in a positive way.  (Maybe Jeff Jones would be the only other 
in the same category?)  But here's the thing:   Speaking as a mountain biker 
foremost,  I'll even say that Surly, with their fat tire advancements and smart 
bikes that are accessible to more people, has done more to improve the sport 
than anyone in 30 years - including Rivendell.


On Monday, October 13, 2014 9:55:41 PM UTC-6, Bruce Smitham wrote:
OK, I'll admit that I own a Surly Pacer and have owned a LHT to get me down the 
coast of California in the summer when my a Soma San Marcos build didn't work 
out. I am disappointed in Surly these days. The Racing Sucks is so close to 
"Un-Racer" and now they are making wool stripped shirts that totally resemble 
the ones Riv is making. I just read it in their blog here: 
http://surlybikes.com/blog/post/the_goods_that_are_soft

Bruce "just a little disappointed in Surly" Smitham in San Diego
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RE: [RBW] Re: Surly after Riv

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Sorry for prior post, should have taken my question off-group.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gavin
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:14 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Surly after Riv

Yeah, I hate those Riv guys, they just make copies of vintage Raleigh 
Internationals and old French bikes.

--end sarcasm--

Most bike "problems" have been solved by our inventive ancestors.  Grant, Jan, 
Sheldon and others have reminded us that almost every new product was first in 
"The Data Book" years ago.

Surly and Riv both do a good job of creating practical solutions for bicycles.  
Grant does it with an emphasis on aesthetic, where Surly's designs are more 
no-nonsense (and more approachably priced).

I applaud both for sticking to their guns and doing what they want, and for the 
influence they've had on the industry in spite of what the "big guys" are doing.

At the same time, I don't feel I owe either brand my unending loyalty.  I don't 
feel constrained to buy a Riv if I want a fancy country bike; now I could buy 
from several makers of stylish bicycles (thankfully, I found a used Riv).  
Similarly, I don't feel constrained to buy a Surly if I want a fat bike; I just 
bought a Specialized Fatboy yesterday after much anguished comparison to 
Surly's offerings (I work in a shop that carries Spec and Surly).

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 9:49 AM, iamkeith 
mailto:keithhar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I LOVE Surly.  I was the one who put that "Racing Sucks" thread up on the list 
here, and I know I've said that the LHT is a "copy" of the  All Rounder - but I 
never meant to imply that they were followers and not leaders in their own 
right.   I just find the similarities and parallels between the companies as 
interesting as the differences.   Looking at the bike industry as an outsider, 
I'm guessing that there will always some subliminal cross-pollenation of ideas 
even between the true innovators, but I also think it's possible for different 
people/companies to come to similar conclusions in different ways.I 
personally found and fell in love with Rivendell because they shared 
convictions that I already had, about the folly of letting racing drive 
fashion, and of advancing "technology" strictly for marketing sake.  (And I'd 
never quit wearing wool, either.)  I'm not convinced Surly isn't just coming 
from the same place.  The irony, as we all know of course, is that BOTH 
companies actually end up influencing design trends more than all others 
combined - just in a positive way.  (Maybe Jeff Jones would be the only other 
in the same category?)  But here's the thing:   Speaking as a mountain biker 
foremost,  I'll even say that Surly, with their fat tire advancements and smart 
bikes that are accessible to more people, has done more to improve the sport 
than anyone in 30 years - including Rivendell.


On Monday, October 13, 2014 9:55:41 PM UTC-6, Bruce Smitham wrote:
OK, I'll admit that I own a Surly Pacer and have owned a LHT to get me down the 
coast of California in the summer when my a Soma San Marcos build didn't work 
out. I am disappointed in Surly these days. The Racing Sucks is so close to 
"Un-Racer" and now they are making wool stripped shirts that totally resemble 
the ones Riv is making. I just read it in their blog here: 
http://surlybikes.com/blog/post/the_goods_that_are_soft

Bruce "just a little disappointed in Surly" Smitham in San Diego
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[RBW] Re: Kelso, Wa to San Francisco, Ca with Compass Barlow Pass 700x38c

[Ron Mc]

I just look at the pictures.  

On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:57:53 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Fantastic, Ty! Hoping you have lots to report other than nothing negative 
> to report. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:49:53 AM UTC-6, Ty Graham wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just yesterday completed a 900 mile ride from Kelso to San Francisco 
>> via the Adventure Cycling Route. 18 days. 45k feet of elevation.
>>
>> I rode my Atlantis with the Compass Barlow Pass 700x38c tires.
>>
>> My only report is nothing to report. No flats or issues. Just mile after 
>> mile (after mile) of smoothness and cush. Not even the funkiest road 
>> surfaces or surprise potholes could faze these tires. I couldn't be happier 
>> with them. 
>>
>> Some data:
>> 64 cm Atlantis
>> 310 lbs for rider + fully loaded bike
>> 70(ish) psi
>>
>> I'll post more when I'm back to an actual PC. 
>> Happy Trails
>> TyG Seattle
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Seat post clamp bolt snapped

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Every time I see a bike with a built-in seat post clamp I cringe a little 
bit.  I've never been mechanically inclined and just started learning to 
work on my own bikes less than two years ago.  My only mishaps were 
breaking the bolt in one of my Ergon grips (twice!!) and breaking the bolt 
in a stem.  After the third time I bought one of those 5nM torque wrenches 
for the smaller bolts.  



On Monday, October 13, 2014 10:47:14 AM UTC-5, DS wrote:
>
> I emailed brian @ riv who helped put this Hunq together, but while I wait 
> for a response I thought I'd swing this by the RBW group since I'm 
> generally not very mechanically inclined (I learn by you tube videos). 
>
> 1. Been having major issues with seat post slippage on the Hunq. Every 
> time I think I get the seat post clamp (which is part of the frame) as 
> tight as I can get it, within 30 minutes of riding it has slipped a good 
> inch, maybe more. I've never had this issue on a bike before, how do you 
> address this? More grease or beeswax on the seat post? Different bolt? 
> Quick release? Would having a medium sackville with all my camping gear be 
> weighing it down more and causing this?
>
> 2. I stripped the seat post bolt (the one in the seat post clamp, not the 
> saddle rails), so decided to take the whole bolt out and bring it to a LBS 
> or hardware store to get a replacement one (it stripped just enough that i 
> could no longer tighten it, but I could still loosen it). Upon turning it 
> counter clockwise to get it out, the bolt head snapped right off. Now the 
> rest of the bolt is stuck in the clamp (again, the clamp is part of the 
> frame). So, how does one get the bolt out? Both ends are buried in the 
> housing that is inside the clamp braze ons (is that the right terminogoy 
> here? Is this something an LBS would have the tools to do? Or do I need to 
> find a mechanic who knows how to drill a hole through the center of the 
> bolt and extract it out that way? Is there an easier way? Anything to 
> consider so I don't mess up the frame?
>

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[RBW] Re: Seat post clamp bolt snapped

[Ron Mc]

while I'm guessing you're probably bored with my old Raleigh, it has the 
best-functioning seatpost clamp I've ever monkeyed with.  Tightening the 
bolt is not what clamps the seatpost - it's the tension of the lug itself. 
 You take a big-blade screwdriver and spread the clamp - you can slide the 
seatpost anywhere.  You release the screwdriver spread, and the lug bites 
the seatpost.  Tighten the bolt snug (no torque) and you're done.  It's 
been working this way for 38 years through 3 different seatposts.  

On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 1:45:51 PM UTC-5, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> Every time I see a bike with a built-in seat post clamp I cringe a little 
> bit.  I've never been mechanically inclined and just started learning to 
> work on my own bikes less than two years ago.  My only mishaps were 
> breaking the bolt in one of my Ergon grips (twice!!) and breaking the bolt 
> in a stem.  After the third time I bought one of those 5nM torque wrenches 
> for the smaller bolts.  
>
>
>
> On Monday, October 13, 2014 10:47:14 AM UTC-5, DS wrote:
>>
>> I emailed brian @ riv who helped put this Hunq together, but while I wait 
>> for a response I thought I'd swing this by the RBW group since I'm 
>> generally not very mechanically inclined (I learn by you tube videos). 
>>
>> 1. Been having major issues with seat post slippage on the Hunq. Every 
>> time I think I get the seat post clamp (which is part of the frame) as 
>> tight as I can get it, within 30 minutes of riding it has slipped a good 
>> inch, maybe more. I've never had this issue on a bike before, how do you 
>> address this? More grease or beeswax on the seat post? Different bolt? 
>> Quick release? Would having a medium sackville with all my camping gear be 
>> weighing it down more and causing this?
>>
>> 2. I stripped the seat post bolt (the one in the seat post clamp, not the 
>> saddle rails), so decided to take the whole bolt out and bring it to a LBS 
>> or hardware store to get a replacement one (it stripped just enough that i 
>> could no longer tighten it, but I could still loosen it). Upon turning it 
>> counter clockwise to get it out, the bolt head snapped right off. Now the 
>> rest of the bolt is stuck in the clamp (again, the clamp is part of the 
>> frame). So, how does one get the bolt out? Both ends are buried in the 
>> housing that is inside the clamp braze ons (is that the right terminogoy 
>> here? Is this something an LBS would have the tools to do? Or do I need to 
>> find a mechanic who knows how to drill a hole through the center of the 
>> bolt and extract it out that way? Is there an easier way? Anything to 
>> consider so I don't mess up the frame?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Kelso, Wa to San Francisco, Ca with Compass Barlow Pass 700x38c

[Anton Tutter]

That's about everything one can hope for in a tire.  You should drop Jan 
Heine a note, I'm sure he'd like to hear it.

Anton


On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:49:53 PM UTC-4, Ty Graham wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I just yesterday completed a 900 mile ride from Kelso to San Francisco via 
> the Adventure Cycling Route. 18 days. 45k feet of elevation.
>
> I rode my Atlantis with the Compass Barlow Pass 700x38c tires.
>
> My only report is nothing to report. No flats or issues. Just mile after 
> mile (after mile) of smoothness and cush. Not even the funkiest road 
> surfaces or surprise potholes could faze these tires. I couldn't be happier 
> with them. 
>
> Some data:
> 64 cm Atlantis
> 310 lbs for rider + fully loaded bike
> 70(ish) psi
>
> I'll post more when I'm back to an actual PC. 
> Happy Trails
> TyG Seattle
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Kelso, Wa to San Francisco, Ca with Compass Barlow Pass 700x38c

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Congratulations!!!

On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:49:53 AM UTC-7, Ty Graham wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I just yesterday completed a 900 mile ride from Kelso to San Francisco via 
> the Adventure Cycling Route. 18 days. 45k feet of elevation.
>
> I rode my Atlantis with the Compass Barlow Pass 700x38c tires.
>
> My only report is nothing to report. No flats or issues. Just mile after 
> mile (after mile) of smoothness and cush. Not even the funkiest road 
> surfaces or surprise potholes could faze these tires. I couldn't be happier 
> with them. 
>
> Some data:
> 64 cm Atlantis
> 310 lbs for rider + fully loaded bike
> 70(ish) psi
>
> I'll post more when I'm back to an actual PC. 
> Happy Trails
> TyG Seattle
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Surly after Riv

[Mike]

On Monday, October 13, 2014 9:37:19 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: 
>
> They still get big credit for posting this: 
> http://surlybikes.com/blog/post/some_answers_to_just_about_any_bike_forum_post_ive_ever_read
>  
> 
>  
>
 
I've always loved that. It's like the Surly version of Tips For Happy 
Riding. 
 
 
"Hey, little round glasses pocket protector collared shirt skid lid rear 
view mirror sandal wearing schwalbe marathon running pletscher two-leg 
kickstand tourist – good job."
 
 

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Re: [RBW] Surly after Riv

[Mike Schiller]

If the sandal fits sounds like some other Co. I know

On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:20:28 PM UTC-7, Mike wrote:
>
>
> On Monday, October 13, 2014 9:37:19 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: 
>>
>> They still get big credit for posting this: 
>> http://surlybikes.com/blog/post/some_answers_to_just_about_any_bike_forum_post_ive_ever_read
>>  
>> 
>>  
>>
>  
> I've always loved that. It's like the Surly version of Tips For Happy 
> Riding. 
>  
>  
> "Hey, little round glasses pocket protector collared shirt skid lid rear 
> view mirror sandal wearing schwalbe marathon running pletscher two-leg 
> kickstand tourist – good job."
>  
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Surly after Riv

[Bill Lindsay]

Whenever I need a little therapy or attitude adjustment I go to the page 
for the Surly Steamroller.  There, Surly has the courage to ask me the 
question that so many people in my life want to ask:

"what are you, some kind of dick?"



On Monday, October 13, 2014 8:55:41 PM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
> OK, I'll admit that I own a Surly Pacer and have owned a LHT to get me 
> down the coast of California in the summer when my a Soma San Marcos build 
> didn't work out. I am disappointed in Surly these days. The Racing Sucks is 
> so close to "Un-Racer" and now they are making wool stripped shirts that 
> totally resemble the ones Riv is making. I just read it in their blog here: 
> http://surlybikes.com/blog/post/the_goods_that_are_soft
>
> Bruce "just a little disappointed in Surly" Smitham in San Diego
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: Over-the-knee knicker socks

[Patrick Moore]

Speaking of leg warmers: has anyone used these, and can her/she tell me:

1. If the are light, med, or heavy weight;

2. How durable they are, particularly seams and zippers;

3. How well they stay up without being gripped by your shorts;

4. Do they run true to size or small or large?

http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product_10053_10052_539941_-1___204690#ReviewHeader

Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Seat post clamp bolt snapped

[Patrick Moore]

But integrated clamps are so much prettier! I cringe whenever I see a
separate clamp.

A bit more seriously, I myself tend to overtighten, less from being
hamfisted than from being impatient and anxious, and I've bent more than
one integrated clamp (fixed as Ron says with large screwdriver), and I have
snapped at least one sp clamp bolt (I think it was a Campy). If your
seatpost is right, and the seat tube and lug is right, it really takes
little torque to hold the sp in place -- as I only belatedly discovered and
even more belatedly admitted. IME, which is not inconsiderable, it is
usually cheap frames and seatposts that tend to slip, though not always --
my Syncros, mentioned earlier, was certainly not cheap.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 12:45 PM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Every time I see a bike with a built-in seat post clamp I cringe a little
> bit.  I've never been mechanically inclined and just started learning to
> work on my own bikes less than two years ago.  My only mishaps were
> breaking the bolt in one of my Ergon grips (twice!!) and breaking the bolt
> in a stem.  After the third time I bought one of those 5nM torque wrenches
> for the smaller bolts.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Surly after Riv

[Philip Williamson]

I think that stuff looks great. The wool longsleevies look like the 
Devold(?) shirts from Riv.  
I just kept on reading, after the "Soft Goods" post, and I liked it, too. 

Disclaimer (and more): 
I have taken QBP dollars and swag to write a couple guest posts for Problem 
Solvers. I think they are good people doing good work. It's complementary 
to Riv, I believe. Surly bikes could easily be seen as gateway drugs for 
Rivendells. If you want "good, better, best" offerings, and another company 
is happy to make the "good" tier, it saves a boatload of cashflow! (But I'm 
an artist, not an MBA)

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Monday, October 13, 2014 8:55:41 PM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
> OK, I'll admit that I own a Surly Pacer and have owned a LHT to get me 
> down the coast of California in the summer when my a Soma San Marcos build 
> didn't work out. I am disappointed in Surly these days. The Racing Sucks is 
> so close to "Un-Racer" and now they are making wool stripped shirts that 
> totally resemble the ones Riv is making. I just read it in their blog here: 
> http://surlybikes.com/blog/post/the_goods_that_are_soft
>
> Bruce "just a little disappointed in Surly" Smitham in San Diego
>

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[RBW] Re: Surly after Riv

[EricK]

I'd venture nobody knows who made or marketed the first long sleeved, crew 
necked, striped wool shirt.  Or, for that matter, who first wore one while 
riding a bike.  We know it wasn't our friends at Riv.

If Riv is promoting stylishly casual, comfortable, practical clothing 
that's at home on and off the bike, that's great.  But are we going to kid 
ourselves that this is something new, or that another company shouldn't 
feel free offer similar "anything old is new again" merchandise, too?

If it matters, Surly's shirt has raglan sleeves which some prefer...and 
others dislike.  Choice.


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Re: [RBW] Surly after Riv

[Jim Bronson]

So I finally looked at the post, and at some of Surly's goods and
these look interesting:

http://surlybikes.com/gear/pants/pants

says the stated 34" inseam are longer than any 36" they've seen.  That
sounds interesting to me as I wear a 36-38" inseam depending on
manufacturer.

Anyone else try these?  Where to buy?  (That's one thing I like better
about Rivendell, if they have a product on their site, they're usually
selling it...)

On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 10:55 PM, Bruce Smitham  wrote:
> OK, I'll admit that I own a Surly Pacer and have owned a LHT to get me down 
> the coast of California in the summer when my a Soma San Marcos build didn't 
> work out. I am disappointed in Surly these days. The Racing Sucks is so close 
> to "Un-Racer" and now they are making wool stripped shirts that totally 
> resemble the ones Riv is making. I just read it in their blog here: 
> http://surlybikes.com/blog/post/the_goods_that_are_soft
>
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Re: [RBW] Surly after Riv

[Patrick Moore]

>From Surly's site:

*People who ride a lot sometimes like pants. Our WorkRide pants are made of
medium-weight all cotton duck cloth. They’re durable, roomy and comfy.
We’ve done a few things to make them riding pants instead of just pants you
can ride in. First, we altered the seam structure in the crotch, moving
pressure points away from where you sit. We also added an extra layer ‘down
there’ to mitigate any pressure effects of the seams that remain. The knees
are articulated for easy bending, and the right leg employs a two nifty
snaps to keep them out of your chainring (two, so you can hem your pants to
length and have a snap to spare).  There is even a snap-loop U-lock keeper
on the left rear pocket. Ride to wherever, do what you gotta do (work, chop
wood, whatever), then ride home again.*

Many good features that Riv's model, at least that I own, does not have,
but I p-p-p-personally p-p-p-prefer tight but light nylon canvas, a la Riv,
though a good, tight-weave cotton is OK. And I would like a way to peg the
left leg, too, since few things are more annoying while pedaling briskly
than having a wide cuff catch your bottle cage and yank it out of
alignment. (Leave out the U-long loop, too, while you are at it.)

I'd like to know: is the crotch cut low/the waist cut high? That is a fault
(IMO) of Rivendell's pants: too low a rise, meaning that when you bend over
in the hooks, the backs ride uncomfortably low.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

> So I finally looked at the post, and at some of Surly's goods and
> these look interesting:
>
> http://surlybikes.com/gear/pants/pants
>


> Anyone else try these?  Where to buy?  (That's one thing I like better
> about Rivendell, if they have a product on their site, they're usually
> selling it...)
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Comments on Canari leg warmers? [Was: Over-the-knee knicker socks]

[Jim Bronson]

I see they are in small also, does that help?

And for those of us who are XL/XXL, sounds interesting ;)
can't beat the price!

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> Never mind; I see that they are available only in XL+.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product_10053_10052_571211_-1___204690#ReviewHeader
>>
>> Can anyone comment on the durability of these? Light weight is fine since
>> they would be for those (or these) intermediate days when it's cool but not
>> cold. I'm well equipped for cold.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks all. I like to pull the socks over my knees and cinch them there
>>> with the pants' cuffs. Otherwise the breeze bothers me. I've looked at S
>>> Trader but didn't find anything to suit; but thanks for the reference.
>>>
>>> Deacon: the idea of leg warmers is a good one -- but not old sweater
>>> sleeves, I'm afraid. I may choose leg warmers.
>>>
>>> I do use old merino pullover sleeves as arm warmers, though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> *
>>"Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never
>> was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it.
>> Where is there a place for you to be? No place.
>> "Nothing outside you can give you any place," he said. "You needn't to
>> look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind
>> it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
>> somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
>> daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
>> all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
>> any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
>> because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where
>> in your time and your body can they be?
>>  "Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you?" he cried.
>> "Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where
>> Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of
>> you can find it?” -- Flannery O'Connor, Wise Blood
>
>
>
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>
> *
>"Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never
> was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it.
> Where is there a place for you to be? No place.
> "Nothing outside you can give you any place," he said. "You needn't to look
> at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind it.
> You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
> somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
> daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
> all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
> any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
> because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where
> in your time and your body can they be?
>  "Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you?" he cried. "Show
> me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where Jesus had
> redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of you can
> find it?” -- Flannery O'Connor, Wise Blood
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Re: [RBW] Re: Comments on Canari leg warmers? [Was: Over-the-knee knicker socks]

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Jim. No, alas, I need either Med or Larg, depending on the cut. But
I did spring for the Nashbar "Thermal" leg warmers after reading the
reviews. Will report (if I remember to do so).

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

> I see they are in small also, does that help?
>
> And for those of us who are XL/XXL, sounds interesting ;)
> can't beat the price!
>
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
> > Never mind; I see that they are available only in XL+.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product_10053_10052_571211_-1___204690#ReviewHeader
> >>
> >> Can anyone comment on the durability of these? Light weight is fine
> since
> >> they would be for those (or these) intermediate days when it's cool but
> not
> >> cold. I'm well equipped for cold.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Patrick Moore 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks all. I like to pull the socks over my knees and cinch them there
> >>> with the pants' cuffs. Otherwise the breeze bothers me. I've looked at
> S
> >>> Trader but didn't find anything to suit; but thanks for the reference.
> >>>
> >>> Deacon: the idea of leg warmers is a good one -- but not old sweater
> >>> sleeves, I'm afraid. I may choose leg warmers.
> >>>
> >>> I do use old merino pullover sleeves as arm warmers, though.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> Patrick Moore
> >> Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
> >>
> >> *
> >>"Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to
> never
> >> was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it.
> >> Where is there a place for you to be? No place.
> >> "Nothing outside you can give you any place," he said. "You needn't to
> >> look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place
> behind
> >> it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through
> into
> >> somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
> >> daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right
> now is
> >> all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there
> was
> >> any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
> >> because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and
> where
> >> in your time and your body can they be?
> >>  "Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you?" he cried.
> >> "Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where
> >> Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which
> of
> >> you can find it?” -- Flannery O'Connor, Wise Blood
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
> >
> > *
> >"Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to
> never
> > was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it.
> > Where is there a place for you to be? No place.
> > "Nothing outside you can give you any place," he said. "You needn't to
> look
> > at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind it.
> > You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
> > somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
> > daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now
> is
> > all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
> > any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
> > because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and
> where
> > in your time and your body can they be?
> >  "Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you?" he cried.
> "Show
> > me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where Jesus
> had
> > redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of you can
> > find it?” -- Flannery O'Connor, Wise Blood
> >
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[RBW] RBW listers should enjoy this

[Patrick Moore]

For those of you who don't read him regularly, this from BSNYC, who waxes
more lyrical than cynical about his "L'Eroica" ride in Tuscany on the
Brooks Blog.

http://blog.brooksengland.com/wps/sometimes-the-best-rides-are-the-most-delicious-ones/

Many good photos and the usual good writing (IMO, anyway). I have to agree
that Italy has more style than we do.

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*
  * "Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never
was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it.
Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
* "Nothing outside you can give you any place," he said. "You needn't to
look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind
it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where
in your time and your body can they be?*
* "Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you?" he cried.
"Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where
Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of
you can find it?” -- *Flannery O'Connor,* Wise Blood  *

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[RBW] Surly after Riv

[hsmitham]

Hey Bruce,

You just brought up a long term debate in this group Riv Vs Surly...as much as 
I love Riv I recognize that they didn't reinvent the bike, but have promoted an 
ethos I agree with as I know you do. I subscribe to the idea that the more 
selection the better whether in bicycles or clothing, especially in regards to 
affordability. Though I'm set with bikes I really look forward to the Clem Jr. 
Lastly, the fact that Surly manufacturers fat tire bikes is a boon for those 
that want the ability to traverse difficult surfaces that a 2" tire would 
struggle in.

I looked at the Surly wool selection and am nonplussed. I gravitate to Rivs 
style anyway. 

I could have summed it all up with the words, "The more the better".

-Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Re: Comments on Canari leg warmers? [Was: Over-the-knee knicker socks]

[Jim Bronson]

What someone needs to invent is leg warmer suspenders, so that when
the elastic wears out, you can still keep using them ;)

I guess it would be sort of like how a garter belt works ;)
but anyway...

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> Thanks, Jim. No, alas, I need either Med or Larg, depending on the cut. But
> I did spring for the Nashbar "Thermal" leg warmers after reading the
> reviews. Will report (if I remember to do so).
>
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>>
>> I see they are in small also, does that help?
>>
>> And for those of us who are XL/XXL, sounds interesting ;)
>> can't beat the price!
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>> > Never mind; I see that they are available only in XL+.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Patrick Moore 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product_10053_10052_571211_-1___204690#ReviewHeader
>> >>
>> >> Can anyone comment on the durability of these? Light weight is fine
>> >> since
>> >> they would be for those (or these) intermediate days when it's cool but
>> >> not
>> >> cold. I'm well equipped for cold.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Patrick Moore 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks all. I like to pull the socks over my knees and cinch them
>> >>> there
>> >>> with the pants' cuffs. Otherwise the breeze bothers me. I've looked at
>> >>> S
>> >>> Trader but didn't find anything to suit; but thanks for the reference.
>> >>>
>> >>> Deacon: the idea of leg warmers is a good one -- but not old sweater
>> >>> sleeves, I'm afraid. I may choose leg warmers.
>> >>>
>> >>> I do use old merino pullover sleeves as arm warmers, though.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
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>> >> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
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>> >> Patrick Moore
>> >> Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
>> >>
>> >> *
>> >>"Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to
>> >> never
>> >> was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from
>> >> it.
>> >> Where is there a place for you to be? No place.
>> >> "Nothing outside you can give you any place," he said. "You needn't to
>> >> look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place
>> >> behind
>> >> it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through
>> >> into
>> >> somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
>> >> daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right
>> >> now is
>> >> all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there
>> >> was
>> >> any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
>> >> because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and
>> >> where
>> >> in your time and your body can they be?
>> >>  "Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you?" he cried.
>> >> "Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place
>> >> where
>> >> Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which
>> >> of
>> >> you can find it?” -- Flannery O'Connor, Wise Blood
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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>> > By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
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>> > Patrick Moore
>> > Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
>> >
>> > *
>> >"Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to
>> > never
>> > was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it.
>> > Where is there a place for you to be? No place.
>> > "Nothing outside you can give you any place," he said. "You needn't to
>> > look
>> > at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind
>> > it.
>> > You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
>> > somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
>> > daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now
>> > is
>> > all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there
>> > was
>> > any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
>> > because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and
>> > where
>> > in your time and your body can they be?
>> >  "Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you?" he cried.
>> > "Show
>> > me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where Jesus
>> > had
>> > redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of you can
>> > find i

Re: [RBW] Re: Comments on Canari leg warmers? [Was: Over-the-knee knicker socks]

[Steve Palincsar]

The Brits call them suspender belts. We call them garter belts.

Jim Bronson  wrote:

>What someone needs to invent is leg warmer suspenders, so that when
>the elastic wears out, you can still keep using them ;)
>
>I guess it would be sort of like how a garter belt works ;)
>but anyway...
>
>On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Patrick Moore 
>wrote:
>> Thanks, Jim. No, alas, I need either Med or Larg, depending on the
>cut. But
>> I did spring for the Nashbar "Thermal" leg warmers after reading the
>> reviews. Will report (if I remember to do so).
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Jim Bronson 
>wrote:
>>>
>>> I see they are in small also, does that help?
>>>
>>> And for those of us who are XL/XXL, sounds interesting ;)
>>> can't beat the price!
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Patrick Moore
>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Never mind; I see that they are available only in XL+.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Patrick Moore
>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product_10053_10052_571211_-1___204690#ReviewHeader
>>> >>
>>> >> Can anyone comment on the durability of these? Light weight is
>fine
>>> >> since
>>> >> they would be for those (or these) intermediate days when it's
>cool but
>>> >> not
>>> >> cold. I'm well equipped for cold.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Patrick Moore
>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thanks all. I like to pull the socks over my knees and cinch
>them
>>> >>> there
>>> >>> with the pants' cuffs. Otherwise the breeze bothers me. I've
>looked at
>>> >>> S
>>> >>> Trader but didn't find anything to suit; but thanks for the
>reference.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Deacon: the idea of leg warmers is a good one -- but not old
>sweater
>>> >>> sleeves, I'm afraid. I may choose leg warmers.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I do use old merino pullover sleeves as arm warmers, though.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get
>interviews.
>>> >> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
>>> >> Other professional writing services.
>>> >> http://www.resumespecialties.com/
>>> >> www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/
>>> >> Patrick Moore
>>> >> Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
>>> >>
>>> >> *
>>> >>"Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going
>to
>>> >> never
>>> >> was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away
>from
>>> >> it.
>>> >> Where is there a place for you to be? No place.
>>> >> "Nothing outside you can give you any place," he said. "You
>needn't to
>>> >> look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no
>place
>>> >> behind
>>> >> it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look
>through
>>> >> into
>>> >> somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into
>your
>>> >> daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself
>right
>>> >> now is
>>> >> all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if
>there
>>> >> was
>>> >> any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look
>there,
>>> >> because they all three will have to be in your time and your body
>and
>>> >> where
>>> >> in your time and your body can they be?
>>> >>  "Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you?" he
>cried.
>>> >> "Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a
>place
>>> >> where
>>> >> Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but
>which
>>> >> of
>>> >> you can find it?” -- Flannery O'Connor, Wise Blood
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews.
>>> > By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
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>>> > Patrick Moore
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>>> >
>>> > *
>>> >"Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going
>to
>>> > never
>>> > was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away
>from it.
>>> > Where is there a place for you to be? No place.
>>> > "Nothing outside you can give you any place," he said. "You
>needn't to
>>> > look
>>> > at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place
>behind
>>> > it.
>>> > You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through
>into
>>> > somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into
>your
>>> > daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself
>right now
>>> > is
>>> > all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if
>there
>>> > was
>>> > any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look
>there,
>>> > because they all three will have to be in your time and your body
>and
>>> > where
>>> > in your time and your body can they be?
>>> >  "Where 

Re: [RBW] Surly after Riv

[Anne Paulson]

I haven't put a 2" tire on my Atlantis. The widest I've put is 1.7".

But so far I LOVE the Knards. They stick to anything. (Supposedly they
are subpar in mud. We're in a drought, so I can't speak to that.) They
have way better traction than anything else I've ridden.

I took a beginner's mountain biking class. One thing they talked about
was riding over obstacles like logs and curbs. Preload the suspension
(yeah that's useful on a bike with no suspension), pull up on the
handlebars just as you approach the obstacle, blah blah blah. With the
Knards, when I see a 5" curb or log, I just ride at it, and the bike
goes over it. No technique required. Just ride.

I was trying to climb a steep section of a fire road. Out of habit, I
avoided the gravel section on the left, figuring I'd have bad
traction, and instead failed on the rough, rocky right side because I
didn't have enough power to get over the roughest parts. After several
tries, I realized that the Knards give way better traction than the
smooth tires I had previously used on this fire road, so I rode up the
gravel.   I might as well have been riding smooth pavement for all the
traction trouble I had: none. The Knards didn't slip a millimeter. No
problem, up I went.

Deep gravel, deep sand, ruts: I don't have to pick a line. I can just
ride the bike.

I must admit that the Krampus is not a fast bike on the road. That's
the disadvantage.



On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:05 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> Anne: did you ever write up a review of the Knard? Whether so or no, I'd be
> interested to learn how it handles and how it rides over soft and rough
> ground, compared to the Atlantis or any other ~2" tired bike you've ridden.
>
> Actually, I'm most interested in learning how 3" tires differ on soft and on
> rough surfaces compared to 2" tires.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Anne Paulson 
> wrote:
>>
>> I am not remotely disappointed in Surly. Their wool stuff looks great.
>> And they have jerseys designed for women!
>>
>> Ibex sold striped wool shirts before Rivendell. Doesn't mean that
>> Rivendell is a bad yucky copycat; just means that people like wool
>> shirts with stripes.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 8:55 PM, Bruce Smitham  wrote:
>> > OK, I'll admit that I own a Surly Pacer and have owned a LHT to get me
>> > down the coast of California in the summer when my a Soma San Marcos build
>> > didn't work out. I am disappointed in Surly these days. The Racing Sucks is
>> > so close to "Un-Racer" and now they are making wool stripped shirts that
>> > totally resemble the ones Riv is making. I just read it in their blog here:
>> > http://surlybikes.com/blog/post/the_goods_that_are_soft
>> >
>> > Bruce "just a little disappointed in Surly" Smitham in San Diego
>> >
>> > --
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>>
>>
>> --
>> -- Anne Paulson
>>
>> It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride.
>>
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>
>
>
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>
> *
>"Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never
> was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it.
> Where is there a place for you to be? No place.
> "Nothing outside you can give you any place," he said. "You needn't to look
> at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind it.
> You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
> somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
> daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
> all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
> any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
> because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where
> in your time and your body can they be?
> 

Re: [RBW] Surly after Riv

[Anne Paulson]

We on this list think that steel bikes are great, that the bike
industry in general places too much emphasis on racing, that wool
shirts are a good riding alternative to synthetic bike jerseys, that
bikes should fit wide tires.

So... when a bike company makes steel bikes that fit wide tires,
and sells wool riding clothing shouldn't we be happy? Isn't that
what we want to happen?

I love Surly.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Anne Paulson  wrote:
> I haven't put a 2" tire on my Atlantis. The widest I've put is 1.7".
>
> But so far I LOVE the Knards. They stick to anything. (Supposedly they
> are subpar in mud. We're in a drought, so I can't speak to that.) They
> have way better traction than anything else I've ridden.
>
> I took a beginner's mountain biking class. One thing they talked about
> was riding over obstacles like logs and curbs. Preload the suspension
> (yeah that's useful on a bike with no suspension), pull up on the
> handlebars just as you approach the obstacle, blah blah blah. With the
> Knards, when I see a 5" curb or log, I just ride at it, and the bike
> goes over it. No technique required. Just ride.
>
> I was trying to climb a steep section of a fire road. Out of habit, I
> avoided the gravel section on the left, figuring I'd have bad
> traction, and instead failed on the rough, rocky right side because I
> didn't have enough power to get over the roughest parts. After several
> tries, I realized that the Knards give way better traction than the
> smooth tires I had previously used on this fire road, so I rode up the
> gravel.   I might as well have been riding smooth pavement for all the
> traction trouble I had: none. The Knards didn't slip a millimeter. No
> problem, up I went.
>
> Deep gravel, deep sand, ruts: I don't have to pick a line. I can just
> ride the bike.
>
> I must admit that the Krampus is not a fast bike on the road. That's
> the disadvantage.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:05 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>> Anne: did you ever write up a review of the Knard? Whether so or no, I'd be
>> interested to learn how it handles and how it rides over soft and rough
>> ground, compared to the Atlantis or any other ~2" tired bike you've ridden.
>>
>> Actually, I'm most interested in learning how 3" tires differ on soft and on
>> rough surfaces compared to 2" tires.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Anne Paulson 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am not remotely disappointed in Surly. Their wool stuff looks great.
>>> And they have jerseys designed for women!
>>>
>>> Ibex sold striped wool shirts before Rivendell. Doesn't mean that
>>> Rivendell is a bad yucky copycat; just means that people like wool
>>> shirts with stripes.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 8:55 PM, Bruce Smitham  wrote:
>>> > OK, I'll admit that I own a Surly Pacer and have owned a LHT to get me
>>> > down the coast of California in the summer when my a Soma San Marcos build
>>> > didn't work out. I am disappointed in Surly these days. The Racing Sucks 
>>> > is
>>> > so close to "Un-Racer" and now they are making wool stripped shirts that
>>> > totally resemble the ones Riv is making. I just read it in their blog 
>>> > here:
>>> > http://surlybikes.com/blog/post/the_goods_that_are_soft
>>> >
>>> > Bruce "just a little disappointed in Surly" Smitham in San Diego
>>> >
>>> > --
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>>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> -- Anne Paulson
>>>
>>> It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride.
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
>>
>> *
>>"Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never
>> was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it.
>> Where is there a place for you to be? No place.
>> "Nothing outside you can give you any place,

Re: [RBW] Surly after Riv

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks; interesting and useful information to tuck away (until I have more
$). but generally, I see that fatter = fewer worries about obstacles, which
fits my own experience up to 65 mm wide. My Fargo, alas, will not (I am
told) fit Knards.

So, for my castle in the air, the decision is: a custom (Chauncey Matthews,
nearby) "road" bike that can take 3" tires; or a fatbike.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Anne Paulson 
wrote:

> I haven't put a 2" tire on my Atlantis. The widest I've put is 1.7".
>
> But so far I LOVE the Knards. They stick to anything. (Supposedly they
> are subpar in mud. We're in a drought, so I can't speak to that.) They
> have way better traction than anything else I've ridden.
>
> I took a beginner's mountain biking class. One thing they talked about
> was riding over obstacles like logs and curbs. Preload the suspension
> (yeah that's useful on a bike with no suspension), pull up on the
> handlebars just as you approach the obstacle, blah blah blah. With the
> Knards, when I see a 5" curb or log, I just ride at it, and the bike
> goes over it. No technique required. Just ride.
>
> I was trying to climb a steep section of a fire road. Out of habit, I
> avoided the gravel section on the left, figuring I'd have bad
> traction, and instead failed on the rough, rocky right side because I
> didn't have enough power to get over the roughest parts. After several
> tries, I realized that the Knards give way better traction than the
> smooth tires I had previously used on this fire road, so I rode up the
> gravel.   I might as well have been riding smooth pavement for all the
> traction trouble I had: none. The Knards didn't slip a millimeter. No
> problem, up I went.
>
> Deep gravel, deep sand, ruts: I don't have to pick a line. I can just
> ride the bike.
>
> I must admit that the Krampus is not a fast bike on the road. That's
> the disadvantage.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:05 AM, Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
> > Anne: did you ever write up a review of the Knard? Whether so or no, I'd
> be
> > interested to learn how it handles and how it rides over soft and rough
> > ground, compared to the Atlantis or any other ~2" tired bike you've
> ridden.
> >
> > Actually, I'm most interested in learning how 3" tires differ on soft
> and on
> > rough surfaces compared to 2" tires.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Anne Paulson 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I am not remotely disappointed in Surly. Their wool stuff looks great.
> >> And they have jerseys designed for women!
> >>
> >> Ibex sold striped wool shirts before Rivendell. Doesn't mean that
> >> Rivendell is a bad yucky copycat; just means that people like wool
> >> shirts with stripes.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 8:55 PM, Bruce Smitham 
> wrote:
> >> > OK, I'll admit that I own a Surly Pacer and have owned a LHT to get me
> >> > down the coast of California in the summer when my a Soma San Marcos
> build
> >> > didn't work out. I am disappointed in Surly these days. The Racing
> Sucks is
> >> > so close to "Un-Racer" and now they are making wool stripped shirts
> that
> >> > totally resemble the ones Riv is making. I just read it in their blog
> here:
> >> > http://surlybikes.com/blog/post/the_goods_that_are_soft
> >> >
> >> > Bruce "just a little disappointed in Surly" Smitham in San Diego
> >> >
> >> > --
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> >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> -- Anne Paulson
> >>
> >> It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride.
> >>
> >> --
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
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> > Patrick Moore
> > Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
> >
> > *
> >"Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to
> never
> > was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it.
> > Where is there a place for you to be? No p

Re: [RBW] Surly after Riv

[Patrick Moore]

Though there is the option of a new fork by Chauncey for the Fargo, which
I've been contemplating in the hope that it might improve the Fargo's
sluggish "turn in"; ... Knard in front, "29er" knobby in rear ...

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Thanks; interesting and useful information to tuck away (until I have more
> $). but generally, I see that fatter = fewer worries about obstacles, which
> fits my own experience up to 65 mm wide. My Fargo, alas, will not (I am
> told) fit Knards.
>
> So, for my castle in the air, the decision is: a custom (Chauncey
> Matthews, nearby) "road" bike that can take 3" tires; or a fatbike.
>
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Anne Paulson 
> wrote:
>
>> I haven't put a 2" tire on my Atlantis. The widest I've put is 1.7".
>>
>> But so far I LOVE the Knards. They stick to anything. (Supposedly they
>> are subpar in mud. We're in a drought, so I can't speak to that.) They
>> have way better traction than anything else I've ridden.
>>
>> I took a beginner's mountain biking class. One thing they talked about
>> was riding over obstacles like logs and curbs. Preload the suspension
>> (yeah that's useful on a bike with no suspension), pull up on the
>> handlebars just as you approach the obstacle, blah blah blah. With the
>> Knards, when I see a 5" curb or log, I just ride at it, and the bike
>> goes over it. No technique required. Just ride.
>>
>> I was trying to climb a steep section of a fire road. Out of habit, I
>> avoided the gravel section on the left, figuring I'd have bad
>> traction, and instead failed on the rough, rocky right side because I
>> didn't have enough power to get over the roughest parts. After several
>> tries, I realized that the Knards give way better traction than the
>> smooth tires I had previously used on this fire road, so I rode up the
>> gravel.   I might as well have been riding smooth pavement for all the
>> traction trouble I had: none. The Knards didn't slip a millimeter. No
>> problem, up I went.
>>
>> Deep gravel, deep sand, ruts: I don't have to pick a line. I can just
>> ride the bike.
>>
>> I must admit that the Krampus is not a fast bike on the road. That's
>> the disadvantage.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:05 AM, Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>> > Anne: did you ever write up a review of the Knard? Whether so or no,
>> I'd be
>> > interested to learn how it handles and how it rides over soft and rough
>> > ground, compared to the Atlantis or any other ~2" tired bike you've
>> ridden.
>> >
>> > Actually, I'm most interested in learning how 3" tires differ on soft
>> and on
>> > rough surfaces compared to 2" tires.
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Anne Paulson 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I am not remotely disappointed in Surly. Their wool stuff looks great.
>> >> And they have jerseys designed for women!
>> >>
>> >> Ibex sold striped wool shirts before Rivendell. Doesn't mean that
>> >> Rivendell is a bad yucky copycat; just means that people like wool
>> >> shirts with stripes.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 8:55 PM, Bruce Smitham 
>> wrote:
>> >> > OK, I'll admit that I own a Surly Pacer and have owned a LHT to get
>> me
>> >> > down the coast of California in the summer when my a Soma San Marcos
>> build
>> >> > didn't work out. I am disappointed in Surly these days. The Racing
>> Sucks is
>> >> > so close to "Un-Racer" and now they are making wool stripped shirts
>> that
>> >> > totally resemble the ones Riv is making. I just read it in their
>> blog here:
>> >> > http://surlybikes.com/blog/post/the_goods_that_are_soft
>> >> >
>> >> > Bruce "just a little disappointed in Surly" Smitham in San Diego
>> >> >
>> >> > --
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>> >> > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
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>> send
>> >> > an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
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>> >> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
>> >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> -- Anne Paulson
>> >>
>> >> It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride.
>> >>
>> >> --
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Re: [RBW] Re: Comments on Canari leg warmers? [Was: Over-the-knee knicker socks]

[Patrick Moore]

They have; they're called garters. Seriously, back in the days before good
sock elastic, when your cotton or wool or silk socks were all cotton or
silk or wool, men (even!) wore elastic sock garters; I'm old enough to
remember my father's from the early '60s -- he no longer used them, but he
had a few pairs in his sock drawer (where he kept the "paddle stick"). They
encircled the calves.






On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

> What someone needs to invent is leg warmer suspenders, so that when
> the elastic wears out, you can still keep using them ;)
>
> I guess it would be sort of like how a garter belt works ;)
> but anyway...
>
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
> > Thanks, Jim. No, alas, I need either Med or Larg, depending on the cut.
> But
> > I did spring for the Nashbar "Thermal" leg warmers after reading the
> > reviews. Will report (if I remember to do so).
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Jim Bronson 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I see they are in small also, does that help?
> >>
> >> And for those of us who are XL/XXL, sounds interesting ;)
> >> can't beat the price!
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Patrick Moore 
> >> wrote:
> >> > Never mind; I see that they are available only in XL+.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Patrick Moore 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product_10053_10052_571211_-1___204690#ReviewHeader
> >> >>
> >> >> Can anyone comment on the durability of these? Light weight is fine
> >> >> since
> >> >> they would be for those (or these) intermediate days when it's cool
> but
> >> >> not
> >> >> cold. I'm well equipped for cold.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Patrick Moore  >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks all. I like to pull the socks over my knees and cinch them
> >> >>> there
> >> >>> with the pants' cuffs. Otherwise the breeze bothers me. I've looked
> at
> >> >>> S
> >> >>> Trader but didn't find anything to suit; but thanks for the
> reference.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Deacon: the idea of leg warmers is a good one -- but not old sweater
> >> >>> sleeves, I'm afraid. I may choose leg warmers.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I do use old merino pullover sleeves as arm warmers, though.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews.
> >> >> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
> >> >> Other professional writing services.
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> >> >> www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/
> >> >> Patrick Moore
> >> >> Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
> >> >>
> >> >> *
> >> >>"Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to
> >> >> never
> >> >> was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from
> >> >> it.
> >> >> Where is there a place for you to be? No place.
> >> >> "Nothing outside you can give you any place," he said. "You needn't
> to
> >> >> look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place
> >> >> behind
> >> >> it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through
> >> >> into
> >> >> somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
> >> >> daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right
> >> >> now is
> >> >> all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there
> >> >> was
> >> >> any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look
> there,
> >> >> because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and
> >> >> where
> >> >> in your time and your body can they be?
> >> >>  "Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you?" he cried.
> >> >> "Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place
> >> >> where
> >> >> Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but
> which
> >> >> of
> >> >> you can find it?” -- Flannery O'Connor, Wise Blood
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
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> >> > By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
> >> > Other professional writing services.
> >> > http://www.resumespecialties.com/
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> >> > Patrick Moore
> >> > Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
> >> >
> >> > *
> >> >"Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to
> >> > never
> >> > was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from
> it.
> >> > Where is there a place for you to be? No place.
> >> > "Nothing outside you can give you any place," he said. "You needn't to
> >> > look
> >> > at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind
> >> > it.
> >> > You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
> >> > som

Re: [RBW] Re: new to me Redwood - unpack/ride

[WETH]

Congrats on the new bike.  Enjoy adjusting things and the riding.

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[RBW] Cool Porteur Style Rack Free for Someone Considering a Riv Custom - Complications Apply

[Matthew J]

I had this rack made for my bad weather bike: 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/clockworkbikes/sets/72157638195903946/

Ultimately I decided the trail and geometry are not optimal for riding with 
significant weight above the tire.  Recently had the rack taken off and am 
using the bike in its original configuration.

Now I have no further use for the rack.  

It is a beautiful well designed rack and really ought to be in use on a 
beautiful well designed bike.

As you can see from the pictures, this will only work on a fork built 
around the rack.  It has six attachment points.  Top two attach to braze on 
Paul RacerMs (may work with Racers, I do not know how different if at all, 
the boss attachments are for the Racers).  Bottom four to either side of 
mid- through fork rack mounts.  Internal light wiring.   The rack is fillet 
brazed stainless steel.  It will last as long as any painted bike I'm 
thinking.

This rack serves no purpose at all to anyone here unless you are about to 
commit to a Riv custom but have not already settled on a fork.  The builder 
will need the rack in order to get the fork points done.  

If this is you, let me know.  All I want is shipping and handling.

If this is not you, no sense in moving this on as it can sit looking pretty 
in my storage area as well as yours.  Again, there is no rigging this thing 
to a non-rack specific fork.  It is totally custom.

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[RBW] Re: Cool Porteur Style Rack Free for Someone Considering a Riv Custom - Complications Apply

[Matthew J]

Well, that was fast.  A Rivster with a new fork design in process may be 
able to use.  Will advise if this does not work out for him.  

The RBW OB is definitely the place for schemesters! 

On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:47:47 PM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:
>
> I had this rack made for my bad weather bike:  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/clockworkbikes/sets/72157638195903946/
>
> Ultimately I decided the trail and geometry are not optimal for riding 
> with significant weight above the tire.  Recently had the rack taken off 
> and am using the bike in its original configuration.
>
> Now I have no further use for the rack.  
>
> It is a beautiful well designed rack and really ought to be in use on a 
> beautiful well designed bike.
>
> As you can see from the pictures, this will only work on a fork built 
> around the rack.  It has six attachment points.  Top two attach to braze on 
> Paul RacerMs (may work with Racers, I do not know how different if at all, 
> the boss attachments are for the Racers).  Bottom four to either side of 
> mid- through fork rack mounts.  Internal light wiring.   The rack is fillet 
> brazed stainless steel.  It will last as long as any painted bike I'm 
> thinking.
>
> This rack serves no purpose at all to anyone here unless you are about to 
> commit to a Riv custom but have not already settled on a fork.  The builder 
> will need the rack in order to get the fork points done.  
>
> If this is you, let me know.  All I want is shipping and handling.
>
> If this is not you, no sense in moving this on as it can sit looking 
> pretty in my storage area as well as yours.  Again, there is no rigging 
> this thing to a non-rack specific fork.  It is totally custom.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cool Porteur Style Rack Free for Someone Considering a Riv Custom - Complications Apply

[Patrick Moore]

It's a beautiful rack; almost made me wish I had a porteur to put it on.

Please require the new owner to post photos of the final build.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Matthew J  wrote:

> Well, that was fast.  A Rivster with a new fork design in process may be
> able to use.  Will advise if this does not work out for him.
>
> The RBW OB is definitely the place for schemesters!
>
> On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:47:47 PM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:
>>
>> I had this rack made for my bad weather bike:  https://www.flickr.com/
>> photos/clockworkbikes/sets/72157638195903946/
>>
>> Ultimately I decided the trail and geometry are not optimal for riding
>> with significant weight above the tire.  Recently had the rack taken off
>> and am using the bike in its original configuration.
>>
>> Now I have no further use for the rack.
>>
>> It is a beautiful well designed rack and really ought to be in use on a
>> beautiful well designed bike.
>>
>> As you can see from the pictures, this will only work on a fork built
>> around the rack.  It has six attachment points.  Top two attach to braze on
>> Paul RacerMs (may work with Racers, I do not know how different if at all,
>> the boss attachments are for the Racers).  Bottom four to either side of
>> mid- through fork rack mounts.  Internal light wiring.   The rack is fillet
>> brazed stainless steel.  It will last as long as any painted bike I'm
>> thinking.
>>
>> This rack serves no purpose at all to anyone here unless you are about to
>> commit to a Riv custom but have not already settled on a fork.  The builder
>> will need the rack in order to get the fork points done.
>>
>> If this is you, let me know.  All I want is shipping and handling.
>>
>> If this is not you, no sense in moving this on as it can sit looking
>> pretty in my storage area as well as yours.  Again, there is no rigging
>> this thing to a non-rack specific fork.  It is totally custom.
>>
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*
  * "Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never
was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it.
Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
* "Nothing outside you can give you any place," he said. "You needn't to
look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind
it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where
in your time and your body can they be?*
* "Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you?" he cried.
"Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where
Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of
you can find it?” -- *Flannery O'Connor,* Wise Blood  *

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[RBW] Re: Cool Porteur Style Rack Free for Someone Considering a Riv Custom - Complications Apply

[Ron Mc]

really striking - great job. 

On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:47:47 PM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:
>
> I had this rack made for my bad weather bike:  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/clockworkbikes/sets/72157638195903946/
>
> Ultimately I decided the trail and geometry are not optimal for riding 
> with significant weight above the tire.  Recently had the rack taken off 
> and am using the bike in its original configuration.
>
> Now I have no further use for the rack.  
>
> It is a beautiful well designed rack and really ought to be in use on a 
> beautiful well designed bike.
>
> As you can see from the pictures, this will only work on a fork built 
> around the rack.  It has six attachment points.  Top two attach to braze on 
> Paul RacerMs (may work with Racers, I do not know how different if at all, 
> the boss attachments are for the Racers).  Bottom four to either side of 
> mid- through fork rack mounts.  Internal light wiring.   The rack is fillet 
> brazed stainless steel.  It will last as long as any painted bike I'm 
> thinking.
>
> This rack serves no purpose at all to anyone here unless you are about to 
> commit to a Riv custom but have not already settled on a fork.  The builder 
> will need the rack in order to get the fork points done.  
>
> If this is you, let me know.  All I want is shipping and handling.
>
> If this is not you, no sense in moving this on as it can sit looking 
> pretty in my storage area as well as yours.  Again, there is no rigging 
> this thing to a non-rack specific fork.  It is totally custom.
>

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[RBW] Re: RBW listers should enjoy this

[Jon in the foothills of Central Colorado]

Fun! Thanks for sharing.
On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:47:45 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> For those of you who don't read him regularly, this from BSNYC, who waxes 
> more lyrical than cynical about his "L'Eroica" ride in Tuscany on the 
> Brooks Blog.
>
>
> http://blog.brooksengland.com/wps/sometimes-the-best-rides-are-the-most-delicious-ones/
>
> Many good photos and the usual good writing (IMO, anyway). I have to agree 
> that Italy has more style than we do.
>
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>
> *
>   * "Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to 
> never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from 
> it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
> * "Nothing outside you can give you any place," he said. "You needn't to 
> look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind 
> it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into 
> somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your 
> daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is 
> all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was 
> any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there, 
> because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where 
> in your time and your body can they be?*
> * "Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you?" he cried. 
> "Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where 
> Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of 
> you can find it?” -- *Flannery O'Connor,* Wise Blood  *
>  

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[RBW] Re: Surly after Riv

[rcnute]

The LHT is a great bike.  The Atlantis is a great bike.  The XO-1 was a 
great bike.  (Never tried an All-Rounder.)  But they all felt quite a bit 
different to me.

Ryan

On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:49:17 AM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>
> I LOVE Surly.  I was the one who put that "Racing Sucks" thread up on the 
> list here, and I know I've said that the LHT is a "copy" of the  All 
> Rounder - but I never meant to imply that they were followers and not 
> leaders in their own right.   I just find the similarities and parallels 
> between the companies as interesting as the differences.   Looking at the 
> bike industry as an outsider, I'm guessing that there will always some 
> subliminal cross-pollenation of ideas even between the true innovators, but 
> I also think it's possible for different people/companies to come to 
> similar conclusions in different ways.I personally found and fell in 
> love with Rivendell because they shared convictions that I already had, 
> about the folly of letting racing drive fashion, and of advancing 
> "technology" strictly for marketing sake.  (And I'd never quit wearing 
> wool, either.)  I'm not convinced Surly isn't just coming from the same 
> place.  The irony, as we all know of course, is that BOTH companies 
> actually end up influencing design trends more than all others combined 
> - just in a positive way.  (Maybe Jeff Jones would be the only other in the 
> same category?)  But here's the thing:   Speaking as a mountain biker 
> foremost,  I'll even say that Surly, with their fat tire advancements and 
> smart bikes that are accessible to more people, has done *more* to 
> improve the sport than anyone in 30 years - including Rivendell.  
>
>
> On Monday, October 13, 2014 9:55:41 PM UTC-6, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
>> OK, I'll admit that I own a Surly Pacer and have owned a LHT to get me 
>> down the coast of California in the summer when my a Soma San Marcos build 
>> didn't work out. I am disappointed in Surly these days. The Racing Sucks is 
>> so close to "Un-Racer" and now they are making wool stripped shirts that 
>> totally resemble the ones Riv is making. I just read it in their blog here: 
>> http://surlybikes.com/blog/post/the_goods_that_are_soft
>>
>> Bruce "just a little disappointed in Surly" Smitham in San Diego
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Surly after Riv

[Mike Schiller]

Patrick you can have your cake and eat it too with the new WTB 2.8" 650B 
Trailblazer tire. It will fit on your gen 1 Fargo with 35mm wide rims.  

As far as Surly, I agree with Anne, steel, wool and fat tires are where 
it's at.  I'm not a fan of the dropouts on some of their bikes but they 
certainly have led the industry in many areas I value.  

~mike
Carlsbad Ca.


 

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[RBW] SFR El Paseito Mixto Populaire 103k

[ted]

Anybody planing on riding this this Sat?

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[RBW] BUMP:FS: 60cm Cheviot, nearly complete, ready to ship!

[Michael Williams]

Hey group,Im selling my Cheviot.   Its a great bike,  but I also own an 
Atlantis and Homer and theres just too much overlap,  plus need to finance 
an upcoming trip to NZ.   Sooo,  its a pretty standard build.   Its packed 
in a box, ready to ship
60cm frame
Wheelset 36H Synergy/ LX hubs  Rich built
Albatross bars
Nitto Technomic 10cm stem with shim
Sugino Triple crank, 170mm length  46/36/26
Tektro brakes and brake levers
Shimano 8 speed bar end shifters
LX rear der.
IRD front der.
All components are totally functional with not that many miles on them
No pedals/ seatpost/ saddle
Tires are mountain bikey  Kenda Karma 700x1.9

The paint has some chips,  nothing too bad,   early beausage.
  New Chev+ Build kit would be ~ $2400,  Im thinking ~$1500+ shipping cost
Just let me know off list please!   thanks   -Mike

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