Re: [RBW] Rambouillet conundrum

[Joe Bernard]

My Rambouillet story makes even less sense than most: I bought one from JL, 
rode it for a couple months, and it was a perfectly nice bike. But for some 
reason I just didn't 'click' with it. I'm a notorious "ok, that was nice, 
let's try something else" bike buyer/seller (I don't get attached to them), 
but I still have no idea why my interest in this one faded so fast. 

On Friday, April 4, 2014 9:54:20 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:

> I sold off a 68cm Rambouillet frame about 8 or 9 years ago, without ever 
> building it up.  The top tube just looked way too short and I was much less 
> experienced with bikes then.  Kind of regret never at least building it up 
> and trying it.  It was so pretty in that orange color!
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Jeff Ong 
> > wrote:
>
>> So, I've got a lot of bikes and zero cars. Only two are conventional 
>> "road" type bikes (a 2004 Merlin Fortius and an '84 Nobillette). Many are 
>> mountain bikes, and my daily rider/commuter is a 1995 Voodoo Bizango that 
>> I've added rack/fender eyelets to, converted to drops and 2 inch Schwalbe 
>> Marathons, and basically made into a sort of Atlantis type ride.
>>
>> About a year ago, I bought a secondhand (or third- or fourth-hand, who 
>> knows?) Rambouillet (from the first run of framesets, in pearl orange). My 
>> idea was to have a sporty road/light tourer with fenders, since I live in 
>> Portland, where it drizzles seven months of the year. I built this up with 
>> a pretty Riv-like collection of stuff -- a VO triple crankset, platform 
>> pedals, some nice wheels and Pasela 28s, Shimano 9-speed bar end shifters, 
>> bars a bit above saddle height, etc. It's super pretty, everyone oohs and 
>> ahs over it, etc.
>>
>> The problem is, I kind of hate riding it. It just steers like a pig, 
>> wallowing through turns, and it feels super slow to accelerate. I get 
>> terrible pedal strike unless I coast around every turn. I've really tried 
>> to get used to the ride, but I always find myself getting angry when I'm 
>> out on the bike... like "hurry up, man! come on!" I'm a decent enough 
>> mechanic to know that there isn't anything mechanically wrong. I do think 
>> this bike is bigger on me than I generally ride -- I'm 6' tall and this is 
>> a 58cm, and generally I ride smaller than that, although it's difficult to 
>> compare compact frames against this more traditional geometry. The bike 
>> isn't super light (27 lbs or so with fenders and racks), but many of my 
>> bikes are around that weight or heavier.
>>
>> Am I just not cut out for Riv-type geometry? Is it poorly fit to me? Is 
>> there something about the Rambouillet that just makes it slow-steering and 
>> ponderous? I would love to swap out this frameset with something livelier 
>> and more fun to ride (but that can still take racks and fenders with 28mm 
>> tires), and I'm just hoping to not make the same mistake. Any insights 
>> would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet conundrum

[Bruce Herbitter]

I have about 11,000 miles on my blue series Ram. It descends at high 
speed as well or better than anything else I've ridden. I don;t want a 
twitchy ride over 40 mph, would rather have a bike that tracks like it's 
on rails and leans over confidently. Part of that is due to the low BB, 
which means you don't pedal through a sharp turn. Mine has been very 
comfy. It is not a springy frame, so it may not feel as fast as my Road 
with a 753 tubeset, but the same legs pedal both and the Garmin 
indicates that there is little to no different in actual speed.  the Ram 
is currently shod with 37s and very nice for the coarse chip-seal one 
finds on some of our rambles. It has no trouble pacelining at 18 or so 
when the mood strikes however. (Can I confess to pace-lining on Ram and 
stay in this group?  I wear wool while doing it.)


Bruce

On 4/5/2014 2:55 AM, Joe Bernard wrote:
My Rambouillet story makes even less sense than most: I bought one 
from JL, rode it for a couple months, and it was a perfectly nice 
bike. But for some reason I just didn't 'click' with it. I'm a 
notorious "ok, that was nice, let's try something else" bike 
buyer/seller (I don't get attached to them), but I still have no idea 
why my interest in this one faded so fast.


On Friday, April 4, 2014 9:54:20 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:

I sold off a 68cm Rambouillet frame about 8 or 9 years ago,
without ever building it up.  The top tube just looked way too
short and I was much less experienced with bikes then.  Kind of
regret never at least building it up and trying it.  It was so
pretty in that orange color!


On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Jeff Ong > wrote:

...t just steers like a pig, wallowing through turns, and it
feels super slow to accelerate.



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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet conundrum

[Steve Palincsar]

On 04/04/2014 10:39 PM, bo richardson wrote:

i love my 54 blue Ram with 700 c wheels.
I had a 54 Homer with 650 b wheels which i didnt like and niether
did my riding buddy anne. i really think it was the tires a lot.
i have almost new compass tires on the Ram which i love but they
are hard to repair with a hand pump after they have stretched.



What does that mean?  Hard to inflate with a hand pump?  Why harder 
after they've stretched than before?  I've never experienced anything 
like what you're describing, and my experience goes back a long, long way.



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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

[RJM]

I don't have any experience with a Ram except my Roadeo is the same orange 
color so I can't help you with the steering issue or wallowing through 
turns. If I may suggest though, I would try some good tires on it before 
you give it up for good. I really do feel really good fast feeling tires 
make a bike feel faster. Other than that, if you are set up on the Ram 
correctly and don't have any fit problems, which sometimes can affect power 
output and of course ride feel, I don't see much reason to keep a bike you 
aren't jelling with. 

One question thought, do you just feel a performance difference, or have 
you kept some track of it through a bike computer?  I'm just curious if the 
bike is actually slower than your others or just feels that way. 

I do find a difference in feel when switching tires from bad to good 
though, so that is the one place I would make a change if I was going to 
keep that bike. 

On Friday, April 4, 2014 12:44:27 PM UTC-5, Jeff Ong wrote:

> So, I've got a lot of bikes and zero cars. Only two are conventional 
> "road" type bikes (a 2004 Merlin Fortius and an '84 Nobillette). Many are 
> mountain bikes, and my daily rider/commuter is a 1995 Voodoo Bizango that 
> I've added rack/fender eyelets to, converted to drops and 2 inch Schwalbe 
> Marathons, and basically made into a sort of Atlantis type ride.
>
> About a year ago, I bought a secondhand (or third- or fourth-hand, who 
> knows?) Rambouillet (from the first run of framesets, in pearl orange). My 
> idea was to have a sporty road/light tourer with fenders, since I live in 
> Portland, where it drizzles seven months of the year. I built this up with 
> a pretty Riv-like collection of stuff -- a VO triple crankset, platform 
> pedals, some nice wheels and Pasela 28s, Shimano 9-speed bar end shifters, 
> bars a bit above saddle height, etc. It's super pretty, everyone oohs and 
> ahs over it, etc.
>
> The problem is, I kind of hate riding it. It just steers like a pig, 
> wallowing through turns, and it feels super slow to accelerate. I get 
> terrible pedal strike unless I coast around every turn. I've really tried 
> to get used to the ride, but I always find myself getting angry when I'm 
> out on the bike... like "hurry up, man! come on!" I'm a decent enough 
> mechanic to know that there isn't anything mechanically wrong. I do think 
> this bike is bigger on me than I generally ride -- I'm 6' tall and this is 
> a 58cm, and generally I ride smaller than that, although it's difficult to 
> compare compact frames against this more traditional geometry. The bike 
> isn't super light (27 lbs or so with fenders and racks), but many of my 
> bikes are around that weight or heavier.
>
> Am I just not cut out for Riv-type geometry? Is it poorly fit to me? Is 
> there something about the Rambouillet that just makes it slow-steering and 
> ponderous? I would love to swap out this frameset with something livelier 
> and more fun to ride (but that can still take racks and fenders with 28mm 
> tires), and I'm just hoping to not make the same mistake. Any insights 
> would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sugino XD Single Chainring Bottom Bracket Width.

[Bertin753]

Aha! Just possibly might fit, tho' a 125 mm spindle might be better.

Thanks.

Patrick Moore
iPhone

> On Apr 4, 2014, at 11:25 PM, rcnute  wrote:
> 
> Amended answer, 150mm.
> 
> Ryan
> 
>> On Friday, April 4, 2014 5:06:33 PM UTC-7, rcnute wrote:
>> Patrick: I think it's somewhere around the mid to upper 140s with a 2mm or 
>> so spacer on the drive side.  Whatever it is it was an improvement for me 
>> for riding fixed, though I don't mind a wider Q-factor when geared for some 
>> reason (lower 150s is perfect but up to 160 okay).
>> 
>> Ryan
>> 
>>> On Friday, April 4, 2014 5:02:15 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>> If either of you switch to the ~122/AT, can you tell me the resulting Q? I 
>>> wonder if a similar switch would cut a cm or so off the current ~160 with 
>>> the X2D/Phil 113. (The 113 does give a perfect chain line in the main 
>>> cruising gear.)
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Patrick "if narrow is good, narrower is better" Moore (who doesn't really 
>>> believe that).
>>> 
>>> 
 On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:14 PM, David Banzer  wrote:
 "Then I went to a Sugino AT with a 122 spindle and ring on the outside."
 
 That's interesting, I happen to have a Sugino AT and a Tange 122.5 bottom 
 bracket sitting in the parts bin right now. Looks like I'll be able to 
 setup the Redwood and go for a ride this weekend.
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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet conundrum

[Addison Wilhite]

Just another thought about how much a ride can change depending on
wheels/equipment.  I used to own a 1992 stone rb-2.  It was a solid bike
with cheapish parts on it, the worst being the wheels.  I later took the
hubs and had them laced to some light open pro rims, and the bike felt
incredibly spritely after that.  Ironically, a few years later I picked up
a stock 1993 RB-1.  Obviously a much praised racing bike of its era that I
could never afford at the time.  It felt like a slug compared to the RB-2.
 I always chalked it up to the wheels, and then later realized the RB-2 may
have "planed" better for me based on the tubing.

Interesting to me how bikes have that feel depending on the parts and
circumstances and relative differences to other things we might ride.

Cheers,


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On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 12:55 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> My Rambouillet story makes even less sense than most: I bought one from
> JL, rode it for a couple months, and it was a perfectly nice bike. But for
> some reason I just didn't 'click' with it. I'm a notorious "ok, that was
> nice, let's try something else" bike buyer/seller (I don't get attached to
> them), but I still have no idea why my interest in this one faded so fast.
>
> On Friday, April 4, 2014 9:54:20 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
>> I sold off a 68cm Rambouillet frame about 8 or 9 years ago, without ever
>> building it up.  The top tube just looked way too short and I was much less
>> experienced with bikes then.  Kind of regret never at least building it up
>> and trying it.  It was so pretty in that orange color!
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Jeff Ong  wrote:
>>
>>> So, I've got a lot of bikes and zero cars. Only two are conventional
>>> "road" type bikes (a 2004 Merlin Fortius and an '84 Nobillette). Many are
>>> mountain bikes, and my daily rider/commuter is a 1995 Voodoo Bizango that
>>> I've added rack/fender eyelets to, converted to drops and 2 inch Schwalbe
>>> Marathons, and basically made into a sort of Atlantis type ride.
>>>
>>> About a year ago, I bought a secondhand (or third- or fourth-hand, who
>>> knows?) Rambouillet (from the first run of framesets, in pearl orange). My
>>> idea was to have a sporty road/light tourer with fenders, since I live in
>>> Portland, where it drizzles seven months of the year. I built this up with
>>> a pretty Riv-like collection of stuff -- a VO triple crankset, platform
>>> pedals, some nice wheels and Pasela 28s, Shimano 9-speed bar end shifters,
>>> bars a bit above saddle height, etc. It's super pretty, everyone oohs and
>>> ahs over it, etc.
>>>
>>> The problem is, I kind of hate riding it. It just steers like a pig,
>>> wallowing through turns, and it feels super slow to accelerate. I get
>>> terrible pedal strike unless I coast around every turn. I've really tried
>>> to get used to the ride, but I always find myself getting angry when I'm
>>> out on the bike... like "hurry up, man! come on!" I'm a decent enough
>>> mechanic to know that there isn't anything mechanically wrong. I do think
>>> this bike is bigger on me than I generally ride -- I'm 6' tall and this is
>>> a 58cm, and generally I ride smaller than that, although it's difficult to
>>> compare compact frames against this more traditional geometry. The bike
>>> isn't super light (27 lbs or so with fenders and racks), but many of my
>>> bikes are around that weight or heavier.
>>>
>>> Am I just not cut out for Riv-type geometry? Is it poorly fit to me? Is
>>> there something about the Rambouillet that just makes it slow-steering and
>>> ponderous? I would love to swap out this frameset with something livelier
>>> and more fun to ride (but that can still take racks and fenders with 28mm
>>> tires), and I'm just hoping to not make the same mistake. Any insights
>>> would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
>>>
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[RBW] Liesl's Custom arrives in Minneapolis on ~April 10

[Karen Yuen]

Congratulations, Liesl! Less than a week :D

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 50 cm Silver Quickbeam -$1500

[Karen Yuen]

Thankfully, I have taken the QB off the market!  I went to the vet yesterday to 
run more tests on my pooch, and the surgery and post op care is going to be 
much less than previously thought.  Also, thanks to Joe Benard's recommendation 
of an alternate way to fund the surgery (so I could repay over time), there is 
always that option too... But I think I have enough saved up already :).  As 
has been said many times in this group, you folks are a wonderful, caring and 
knowledgable bunch. Thank you for all your advice and expressions of care!

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 50 cm Silver Quickbeam -$1500

[Deacon Patrick]

Fantastic news, Karen. May your pooch return to full health soon!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, April 5, 2014 8:08:04 AM UTC-6, Karen Yuen wrote:
>
> Thankfully, I have taken the QB off the market!  I went to the vet 
> yesterday to run more tests on my pooch, and the surgery and post op care 
> is going to be much less than previously thought.  Also, thanks to Joe 
> Benard's recommendation of an alternate way to fund the surgery (so I could 
> repay over time), there is always that option too... But I think I have 
> enough saved up already :).  As has been said many times in this group, you 
> folks are a wonderful, caring and knowledgable bunch. Thank you for all 
> your advice and expressions of care!

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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet conundrum

[Chris in Redding, Ca.]

> Hey All,
>
I sold my Rom (frameset). It just wasn't the bike for me. I decided it was 
over tubed. It was close, but not close enough. Everything is a compromise. 
My 81 Miyata 610 converted to 700c (with 35mm Kendas) and standard reach 
brakes rides like a dreamright up until you push it hard and then it 
shows why it is otherwise so dang smooth. I will be keeping the Miyata 
nonetheless. 

I do miss seeing the Rom hanging in the garagebut that is not a good 
enough reason to keep a bike.

No point in lamenting this, or most stuff, for that matter. I say move on 
and don't look back. It's just a bike.

Chris
Redding, Ca.

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Re: [RBW] What does rollerblading in slow motion have to do with Rivendell and riding?

[WETH]

Dear Eunice,
Many thanks for sharing that beautiful reflection and tribute to Seth.

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Re: [RBW] What does rollerblading in slow motion have to do with Rivendell and riding?

[Deacon Patrick]

Beautiful, Eunice. Thank you. I am thankful you are finding solace in our 
version of Seth's morning rides. May your grief transform into new life 
with each pedal stroke and sunrise.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

[bo richardson]

the tires wouldnt stay on the rim when i was pumping them up
with a hand pump
fortunately i was walking distance from fairhaven cycles
one of the techs couldnt get the tire pumped  up
with the compresser, but the better tech could

jan has a tip sheet for how to get this to work
it should be in my mailbox right now

sorry not to have been more clear

it would have been a real bad encounter
to be confronted with this in the skagit valley
in the rain

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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet conundrum

[rcnute]

My favorite-riding Rivs in order: Bleriot, Atlantis, Saluki, Quickbeam, 
Rambouillet (which I didn't click with but it was likely the 25mm tires).

Ryan

On Friday, April 4, 2014 7:39:34 PM UTC-7, bo richardson wrote:
>
> i love my 54 blue Ram with 700 c wheels. 
> I had a 54 Homer with 650 b wheels which i didnt like and niether 
> did my riding buddy anne. i really think it was the tires a lot.
> i have almost new compass tires on the Ram which i love but they
> are hard to repair with a hand pump after they have stretched.
>
> i am getting jack brown blues as a compromise.
>
> i also have a 56 ram which i need to sell
> and i wonder if a certain frame may work better
> in some sizes than others. My metaphor is the proportions
> changing when type fonts are scaled up or down
>
> the 56 has Marathons which trade off pleasure 
> for flat protection.
>
> I like the Ram better than my Atlantis
> with 26 inch wheels
>
> I like the Atlantis better with compass tires
> than with Marathons
> but i ride marathons in the winter
> compass in the summer and
> if i were riding across the us 
> i would ride the Atlantis with Schwalbes
>
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Re: [RBW] What does rollerblading in slow motion have to do with Rivendell and riding?

[jimD]

This is totally great!
-JimD
On Apr 4, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Eunice Chang  wrote:

> I can't watch the video- it isn't captioned, so I don't know the details, but 
> I get the gist of it. 
> 
> For what it's worth, I ride my bike first thing in the morning if I can, and 
> it's usually the only time I get to ride. I just go to the coffee shop, fill 
> my thermos, and go outside and watch the sun rise or people going in and out 
> and have a small cup (it's a big thermos). Sometimes I write, sometimes I 
> just sit there, sometimes I read the poem of the day in writer's almanac. 
> 
> Seth was the one who did the coffee ride- he'd ride every morning to bring us 
> coffee, and he'd try to do it daily with exception of some very frigid 
> mornings (he's a Southern boy after all). Sometimes it would be his only ride 
> the whole day. I thought I'd try it out, and I've found a route that works 
> for me (low key, very little traffic, wide roads, some hills). It's only 2 
> miles total, but it is definitely my happy place. When I ride to the 
> coffeeshop, I ride into the sunrise, and when I'm ready to go back, the sun 
> is behind me and has warmed me up. Most mornings I feel like singing at top 
> of my lungs (though I stay quiet out of respect for my neighbors). 
> 
> And always, I feel like I'm riding with Seth when I ride my bike. I get to 
> see dogs being walked, say hi to my neighbors, watch flights of birds, try 
> not to run over inexperienced baby squirrels, and see the trees in bloom 
> (currently, dogwoods, redbuds, magnolias, though thankfully, bradford pears 
> are done for now). Soon it will be honeysuckle and jessamine time. I'm 
> beginning to understand why he liked the morning rides. 
> 
> And no, there's no reason to ride to the coffeeshop other than that it feels 
> like a sacred ritual that is both fun and invigorating and well, just brings 
> me joy. The rare, unadulterated kind of joy that can coexist with the 
> ever-present grief. And I'll always have Seth to thank for that (he taught me 
> to ride a bike uhmm, 9 years ago). 
> 
> Enjoy the ride.
> 
> -Eunice
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Esteban  wrote:
> The New York Times has an Op-Doc telling the story of a local San Diego 
> resident who skates in slow motion along the boardwalk. You may have already 
> seen it. I posted about it here, including a link to the 16 minute 
> documentary:
> 
> http://veloflaneur.wordpress.com/2014/04/04/moving-forward/
> 
> I'm not sure why, but I wrote it for you all and wanted to share the video 
> with this group as soon as I saw it. Why?
> 
> It reminded me of Just Ride - you don't need to give everything up to get a 
> little stoke in your life. Just ride around the block during a 15 minute 
> break from whatever else you are doing. 
> 
> 
> Well, it gets really interesting around 8:45. There, Slomo talks about the 
> neuroscience of forward motion. I don't know enough about neuroscience to 
> call it out as BS, but its still a great story. Maybe that's one of the 
> reasons why bike riding is so fun? Why do I feel my friendships formed 
> through sharing bike rides are so strong? Maybe because we are experiencing 
> stoke together. Seth Vidal is right. Enjoy.
> 
> Regards!
> Esteban
> San Diego, Calif.
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam/Simple One as Singletrack MTB?

[Philip Williamson]

Hi Ted, I was running the stock 40/32 rings with a Surly Dingle 17/21 fixed 
cog. I thought the hills were effin' steep. 
https://flic.kr/p/mMU4bk
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I also used an S3X hub and a mountain bike up there. The fixed drivetrain made 
descents more confidently controllable, I thought, but slower. It was basically 
all logging roads up, some singletrack traversing and descending, then more 
logging roads down. It's fun. No table drops, or ripping gravity car runs down 
the graded road, but fun. All that area is really fun, especially with an off 
leash dog - they can really run.
I did ride in Annadel with fatter tires (Smokes) and the 32x15, too. 

It's no harder or weirder than any of the other things people on this list do 
with bikes.

Philip
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[RBW] Portland, OR: Mount Tabor Mini Ramble TOMORROW, Sunday 6 April

[Shawn Granton]

Hello all-

April is here and it's time for a smaller-than-average ramble. This ramble 
will happen over, under, sideways, and down Mount Tabor. Meet at Montavilla 
Park, NE 82nd Ave and Glisan St, at 4 pm tomorrow, Sunday April 6. We’ll be 
meeting at or near the covered picnic area on the Glisan side of the park. 
At 4:30 pm we depart for the ramble. Be prepared for a mix of paved and 
unpaved, flat and unflat, etc. But you will be rewarded by some nice 
scenery and weird shit. The weather for tomorrow is 30% chance of showers, 
high of 64F/18C. It may not rain tomorrow, but there will be puddles, some 
big.

At the end of the ride we’ll retire to the Montavilla district where we can 
have dinner and enjoy adult beverages, if that’s your thing.

Ride not a loop and is the opposite of "fast paced".

Please let me know if you have any questions.

yours,
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 50 cm Silver Quickbeam -$1500

[Liesl]

Yay!! I hope pooch, QB, and you remain a happy family for a long time! -rcw

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

[Mike Schiller]

I had a Ram for a few years.  I was riding an early Sam with canti's and on 
my first ride on the new to me Ram I thought that this rides so much better 
than the Sam. I thought the Sam was too stiff for unloaded rides but the 
Ram felt just right. I was on a 58cm frame as well.  Not sure how much you 
weigh but at ~200lbs the Ram felt much plusher and right for me.  I used JB 
Greens most of the time which were a perfect match for the Ram.

You mentioned Pasela's.. are they the TG model?  Those can make any bike 
feel dead.  

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[RBW] Not diggin' 650b ~ Why do I prefer my 26" Atlantis?

[Eric]

Finally got the Saluki built up, I believe it'll be my 5th Rivendell. And 
I've taken it on several trips, a 30 mile ride around Detroit, commuted a 
bunch, ect but for some reason I'm not digging the 650b platform. I keep 
giving it just one more chance to prove it has the moxy to remain in the 
stable but it's getting difficult because the bike rack is getting crowded! 

I've tried several tires from Fatty Rumpkins, to Contis, to Marathons but I 
really prefer my 26" Atlantis. Don't get me wrong, it's a nice ride but I 
find it a little sluggish at times and doesn't compare to the smooth 
Atlantis ride.

Anyone with a similar experience with 650b not being the bees knees as 
touted? What am I missing? 


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Re: [RBW] Not diggin' 650b ~ Why do I prefer my 26" Atlantis?

[Ken Mattina]

hetres


On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Eric  wrote:

> Finally got the Saluki built up, I believe it'll be my 5th Rivendell. And
> I've taken it on several trips, a 30 mile ride around Detroit, commuted a
> bunch, ect but for some reason I'm not digging the 650b platform. I keep
> giving it just one more chance to prove it has the moxy to remain in the
> stable but it's getting difficult because the bike rack is getting crowded!
>
> I've tried several tires from Fatty Rumpkins, to Contis, to Marathons but
> I really prefer my 26" Atlantis. Don't get me wrong, it's a nice ride but I
> find it a little sluggish at times and doesn't compare to the smooth
> Atlantis ride.
>
> Anyone with a similar experience with 650b not being the bees knees as
> touted? What am I missing?
>
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Re: [RBW] Not diggin' 650b ~ Why do I prefer my 26" Atlantis?

[Jim Bronson]

you're running heavy slow tires, for one thing.  If you want a faster ride
without completely sacrificing puncture resistance, you could try the Nifty
Swifty  I have about 2000 miles on a Nifty Swifty on the front of my Riv,
with zero flats.

Pari-Moto on the rear with about 1 million flats, no really!

I keep waiting for the Nifty Swifty to wear out so I can put a Pari-Moto on
the front while having a Loup Loup Pass on the rear, but the checkerboard
pattern isn't even completely worn off the Nifty Swifty yet.


On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Eric  wrote:

> Finally got the Saluki built up, I believe it'll be my 5th Rivendell. And
> I've taken it on several trips, a 30 mile ride around Detroit, commuted a
> bunch, ect but for some reason I'm not digging the 650b platform. I keep
> giving it just one more chance to prove it has the moxy to remain in the
> stable but it's getting difficult because the bike rack is getting crowded!
>
> I've tried several tires from Fatty Rumpkins, to Contis, to Marathons but
> I really prefer my 26" Atlantis. Don't get me wrong, it's a nice ride but I
> find it a little sluggish at times and doesn't compare to the smooth
> Atlantis ride.
>
> Anyone with a similar experience with 650b not being the bees knees as
> touted? What am I missing?
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Not diggin' 650b ~ Why do I prefer my 26" Atlantis?

[Eric Norris]

In my brief (a few months) experience with 650B, I've found that the tires make 
a huge difference. I started with Col de la Vie tires, then switched to Hetres. 
Night and day difference--the Hetres are fast, smooth, and comfortable, and so 
far now flats (damn! now I'm sure to get one!)

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On Apr 5, 2014, at 11:01 AM, Eric  wrote:

> Finally got the Saluki built up, I believe it'll be my 5th Rivendell. And 
> I've taken it on several trips, a 30 mile ride around Detroit, commuted a 
> bunch, ect but for some reason I'm not digging the 650b platform. I keep 
> giving it just one more chance to prove it has the moxy to remain in the 
> stable but it's getting difficult because the bike rack is getting crowded! 
> 
> I've tried several tires from Fatty Rumpkins, to Contis, to Marathons but I 
> really prefer my 26" Atlantis. Don't get me wrong, it's a nice ride but I 
> find it a little sluggish at times and doesn't compare to the smooth Atlantis 
> ride.
> 
> Anyone with a similar experience with 650b not being the bees knees as 
> touted? What am I missing? 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] What does rollerblading in slow motion have to do with Rivendell and riding?

[Esteban]

"I feel like singing at top of my lungs"

I've done that :)

On Friday, April 4, 2014 6:52:00 PM UTC-7, Eunice Chang wrote:
>
> I can't watch the video- it isn't captioned, so I don't know the details, 
> but I get the gist of it. 
>
> For what it's worth, I ride my bike first thing in the morning if I can, 
> and it's usually the only time I get to ride. I just go to the coffee shop, 
> fill my thermos, and go outside and watch the sun rise or people going in 
> and out and have a small cup (it's a big thermos). Sometimes I write, 
> sometimes I just sit there, sometimes I read the poem of the day in 
> writer's almanac. 
>
> Seth was the one who did the coffee ride- he'd ride every morning to bring 
> us coffee, and he'd try to do it daily with exception of some very frigid 
> mornings (he's a Southern boy after all). Sometimes it would be his only 
> ride the whole day. I thought I'd try it out, and I've found a route that 
> works for me (low key, very little traffic, wide roads, some hills). It's 
> only 2 miles total, but it is definitely my happy place. When I ride to the 
> coffeeshop, I ride into the sunrise, and when I'm ready to go back, the sun 
> is behind me and has warmed me up. Most mornings I feel like singing at top 
> of my lungs (though I stay quiet out of respect for my neighbors). 
>
> And always, I feel like I'm riding with Seth when I ride my bike. I get to 
> see dogs being walked, say hi to my neighbors, watch flights of birds, try 
> not to run over inexperienced baby squirrels, and see the trees in bloom 
> (currently, dogwoods, redbuds, magnolias, though thankfully, bradford pears 
> are done for now). Soon it will be honeysuckle and jessamine time. I'm 
> beginning to understand why he liked the morning rides. 
>
> And no, there's no reason to ride to the coffeeshop other than that it 
> feels like a sacred ritual that is both fun and invigorating and well, just 
> brings me joy. The rare, unadulterated kind of joy that can coexist with 
> the ever-present grief. And I'll always have Seth to thank for that (he 
> taught me to ride a bike uhmm, 9 years ago). 
>
> Enjoy the ride.
>
> -Eunice
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Esteban  >wrote:
>
>> The New York Times has an Op-Doc telling the story of a local San Diego 
>> resident who skates in slow motion along the boardwalk. You may have 
>> already seen it. I posted about it here, including a link to the 16 minute 
>> documentary:
>>
>> http://veloflaneur.wordpress.com/2014/04/04/moving-forward/
>>
>> I'm not sure why, but I wrote it for you all and wanted to share the 
>> video with this group as soon as I saw it. Why?
>>
>> It reminded me of Just Ride - you don't need to give everything up to get 
>> a little stoke in your life. Just ride around the block during a 15 minute 
>> break from whatever else you are doing. 
>>
>>
>> Well, it gets really interesting around 8:45. There, Slomo talks about 
>> the neuroscience of forward motion. I don't know enough about neuroscience 
>> to call it out as BS, but its still a great story. Maybe that's one of the 
>> reasons why bike riding is so fun? Why do I feel my friendships formed 
>> through sharing bike rides are so strong? Maybe because we are experiencing 
>> stoke together. Seth Vidal is right. Enjoy.
>>
>> Regards!
>> Esteban
>> San Diego, Calif.
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[RBW] Velcro Cable ties for wald basket

[DS]

Just a quick recommendation on another way to secure a wald basket to a 
rack: velcro cable ties. You can get 100 of them for $7 on amazon, and 
they're very useful for other things like replacing buckles on rando bag 
and like, oh i don't know...wrapping all your cables together ;)

I tried to google if anyone was doing this before I bought the basket, 
because I really didn't want to have to use zip ties since I wanted the 
ability to put on and remove the basket easily depending on the ride. I saw 
a few posts here mention it, but wanted to spread the gospel a little more. 
Works like a charm.

On the other hand, a little more advice for anyone else like myself with 
little to no foresight, a medium wald basket on a nitto front rack will not 
with with sti shifters and drop bars. the basket gets in the way of the 
shifter. good excuse to go bar end friction mode which i've been thinking 
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[RBW] Re: Velcro Cable ties for wald basket

[Michael Hechmer]

I have done this.   It takes at least a half dozen ties to get the job 
done.  I also found it helpful to under warp the basket with old pieces of 
HB tape, which gave the wire more heft to secure the velcro tightly.

My next project with a bike involves putting cable connectors at each 
coupler on the tandem, so that when I disconnect them ( as I did this week 
to put the bike in the Prius and head out to Chincoteague) I can simply 
wrap a piece of velcro around the tube and cable, rather than having to 
coil and tie off the cables.

Michael

On Saturday, April 5, 2014 5:03:27 PM UTC-4, DS wrote:
>
> Just a quick recommendation on another way to secure a wald basket to a 
> rack: velcro cable ties. You can get 100 of them for $7 on amazon, and 
> they're very useful for other things like replacing buckles on rando bag 
> and like, oh i don't know...wrapping all your cables together ;)
>
> I tried to google if anyone was doing this before I bought the basket, 
> because I really didn't want to have to use zip ties since I wanted the 
> ability to put on and remove the basket easily depending on the ride. I saw 
> a few posts here mention it, but wanted to spread the gospel a little more. 
> Works like a charm.
>
> On the other hand, a little more advice for anyone else like myself with 
> little to no foresight, a medium wald basket on a nitto front rack will not 
> with with sti shifters and drop bars. the basket gets in the way of the 
> shifter. good excuse to go bar end friction mode which i've been thinking 
> about anyway
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Not diggin' 650b ~ Why do I prefer my 26" Atlantis?

[Michael Hechmer]

I run Marathon Racers, 26x1.6 on the tandem and really like them.  But I 
run Pari Motos on both the Saluki & my '84 Trek and absolutely love the 
ride.  

Michael

On Saturday, April 5, 2014 2:01:00 PM UTC-4, Eric wrote:
>
> Finally got the Saluki built up, I believe it'll be my 5th Rivendell. And 
> I've taken it on several trips, a 30 mile ride around Detroit, commuted a 
> bunch, ect but for some reason I'm not digging the 650b platform. I keep 
> giving it just one more chance to prove it has the moxy to remain in the 
> stable but it's getting difficult because the bike rack is getting crowded! 
>
> I've tried several tires from Fatty Rumpkins, to Contis, to Marathons but 
> I really prefer my 26" Atlantis. Don't get me wrong, it's a nice ride but I 
> find it a little sluggish at times and doesn't compare to the smooth 
> Atlantis ride.
>
> Anyone with a similar experience with 650b not being the bees knees as 
> touted? What am I missing? 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nanoreview, Barlow Pass 700x38C on Dyad

[Brian Campbell]

Mine measure Just shy of 37mm ay install on VO Raid rims.


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Re: [RBW] Not diggin' 650b ~ Why do I prefer my 26" Atlantis?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 04/05/2014 02:08 PM, Ken Mattina wrote:

hetres


On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Eric > wrote:


Finally got the Saluki built up, I believe it'll be my 5th
Rivendell. And I've taken it on several trips, a 30 mile ride
around Detroit, commuted a bunch, ect but for some reason I'm not
digging the 650b platform. I keep giving it just one more chance
to prove it has the moxy to remain in the stable but it's getting
difficult because the bike rack is getting crowded!

I've tried several tires from Fatty Rumpkins, to Contis, to
Marathons but I really prefer my 26" Atlantis. Don't get me wrong,
it's a nice ride but I find it a little sluggish at times and
doesn't compare to the smooth Atlantis ride.

Anyone with a similar experience with 650b not being the bees
knees as touted? What am I missing?



Agreed.

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[RBW] Re: Not diggin' 650b ~ Why do I prefer my 26" Atlantis?

[Kellie Stapleton]

I run Gran Bois Cypress; love them, and have heard good things about the 
Soma xpress

On Saturday, April 5, 2014 11:01:00 AM UTC-7, Eric wrote:
>
> Finally got the Saluki built up, I believe it'll be my 5th Rivendell. And 
> I've taken it on several trips, a 30 mile ride around Detroit, commuted a 
> bunch, ect but for some reason I'm not digging the 650b platform. I keep 
> giving it just one more chance to prove it has the moxy to remain in the 
> stable but it's getting difficult because the bike rack is getting crowded! 
>
> I've tried several tires from Fatty Rumpkins, to Contis, to Marathons but 
> I really prefer my 26" Atlantis. Don't get me wrong, it's a nice ride but I 
> find it a little sluggish at times and doesn't compare to the smooth 
> Atlantis ride.
>
> Anyone with a similar experience with 650b not being the bees knees as 
> touted? What am I missing? 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Not diggin' 650b ~ Why do I prefer my 26" Atlantis?

[Dan McNamara]

Hetres are great tires. My wife runs the Soma B-Lines on her Betty and is 
really happy with those. A little less $.



> On Apr 5, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Kellie Stapleton  
> wrote:
> 
> I run Gran Bois Cypress; love them, and have heard good things about the Soma 
> xpress
> 
>> On Saturday, April 5, 2014 11:01:00 AM UTC-7, Eric wrote:
>> Finally got the Saluki built up, I believe it'll be my 5th Rivendell. And 
>> I've taken it on several trips, a 30 mile ride around Detroit, commuted a 
>> bunch, ect but for some reason I'm not digging the 650b platform. I keep 
>> giving it just one more chance to prove it has the moxy to remain in the 
>> stable but it's getting difficult because the bike rack is getting crowded! 
>> 
>> I've tried several tires from Fatty Rumpkins, to Contis, to Marathons but I 
>> really prefer my 26" Atlantis. Don't get me wrong, it's a nice ride but I 
>> find it a little sluggish at times and doesn't compare to the smooth 
>> Atlantis ride.
>> 
>> Anyone with a similar experience with 650b not being the bees knees as 
>> touted? What am I missing?
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[RBW] WTB: Nitto M18 or similar front rack

[Eric Cardella]

bump . . . still on the hunt.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nanoreview, Barlow Pass 700x38C on Dyad

[Trenker]

 

Barlow E.L. tires on my Quickbeam, with new A23 wheels made by Rich L. 
Smooth and quiet (the tires, not Rich L.).




 

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam/Simple One as Singletrack MTB?

[Cyclofiend Jim]

And for those of you eyeing the China Camp part of the Jamboree/Entmoot, 
those are good conditions to play with the notion of fixed gear on trails.

- J  

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[RBW] WTT: Nitto Technomic Deluxe 11cm for a 10cm

[David Banzer]

WTT:
Nitto Technomic Deluxe, 190mm tall one.

I have: 11cm
I need 10cm
26.0 clamp

Open to buying one if you have a used one.
Also open to Technomic Short or Tallux or Technomic Standard.
As long as it's 10cm and 26.0.

Thanks,
David
Chicago

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Re: [RBW] Not diggin' 650b ~ Why do I prefer my 26" Atlantis?

[Steven Frederick]

How do the wheels and tires compare to what's on the Atlantis?  Did you get
the contact positions set up the same?  (saddle height, set back, bar
reach, etc.)  Could be the geometry of one just works for you better than
the other...


On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Eric  wrote:

> Finally got the Saluki built up, I believe it'll be my 5th Rivendell. And
> I've taken it on several trips, a 30 mile ride around Detroit, commuted a
> bunch, ect but for some reason I'm not digging the 650b platform. I keep
> giving it just one more chance to prove it has the moxy to remain in the
> stable but it's getting difficult because the bike rack is getting crowded!
>
> I've tried several tires from Fatty Rumpkins, to Contis, to Marathons but
> I really prefer my 26" Atlantis. Don't get me wrong, it's a nice ride but I
> find it a little sluggish at times and doesn't compare to the smooth
> Atlantis ride.
>
> Anyone with a similar experience with 650b not being the bees knees as
> touted? What am I missing?
>
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[RBW] Re: Not diggin' 650b ~ Why do I prefer my 26" Atlantis?

[Bill Lindsay]

It's a gross generalization, but there are lousy tires in every wheelsize.  

On Saturday, April 5, 2014 11:01:00 AM UTC-7, Eric wrote:
>
> Finally got the Saluki built up, I believe it'll be my 5th Rivendell. And 
> I've taken it on several trips, a 30 mile ride around Detroit, commuted a 
> bunch, ect but for some reason I'm not digging the 650b platform. I keep 
> giving it just one more chance to prove it has the moxy to remain in the 
> stable but it's getting difficult because the bike rack is getting crowded! 
>
> I've tried several tires from Fatty Rumpkins, to Contis, to Marathons but 
> I really prefer my 26" Atlantis. Don't get me wrong, it's a nice ride but I 
> find it a little sluggish at times and doesn't compare to the smooth 
> Atlantis ride.
>
> Anyone with a similar experience with 650b not being the bees knees as 
> touted? What am I missing? 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nanoreview, Barlow Pass 700x38C on Dyad

[Bill Lindsay]

Rich is smooth, but is known to make some noise in several different 
contexts

On Saturday, April 5, 2014 4:50:55 PM UTC-7, Trenker wrote:
>
> Barlow E.L. tires on my Quickbeam, with new A23 wheels made by Rich L. 
> Smooth and quiet (the tires, not Rich L.).
>
>
> 
>
>
>  

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

[ascpgh]

I've had my orange Rambouillet since the evening before riding across the 
country from Yorktown. My '92 RB-1 got twitchy after four hours and I got 
tight, achy shoulders from riding it that long despite bar and stem 
experiments. Funding the Rambouillet was its highest and best use.

The Ram was and has been a stable and confident ride for me. I ride it in 
tight hilly places as well as fairly long flat stuff, day or night. 
Planing, tires, fit, whatever the reason, mine has worked. I've never been 
a stable-keeper, just a commuter/rough stuff bike and a lighter fun bike. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Saturday, April 5, 2014 8:39:57 AM UTC-4, RJM wrote:
>
> I don't have any experience with a Ram except my Roadeo is the same orange 
> color so I can't help you with the steering issue or wallowing through 
> turns. If I may suggest though, I would try some good tires on it before 
> you give it up for good. I really do feel really good fast feeling tires 
> make a bike feel faster. Other than that, if you are set up on the Ram 
> correctly and don't have any fit problems, which sometimes can affect power 
> output and of course ride feel, I don't see much reason to keep a bike you 
> aren't jelling with. 
>
> One question thought, do you just feel a performance difference, or have 
> you kept some track of it through a bike computer?  I'm just curious if the 
> bike is actually slower than your others or just feels that way. 
>
> I do find a difference in feel when switching tires from bad to good 
> though, so that is the one place I would make a change if I was going to 
> keep that bike. 
>
> On Friday, April 4, 2014 12:44:27 PM UTC-5, Jeff Ong wrote:
>
>> So, I've got a lot of bikes and zero cars. Only two are conventional 
>> "road" type bikes (a 2004 Merlin Fortius and an '84 Nobillette). Many are 
>> mountain bikes, and my daily rider/commuter is a 1995 Voodoo Bizango that 
>> I've added rack/fender eyelets to, converted to drops and 2 inch Schwalbe 
>> Marathons, and basically made into a sort of Atlantis type ride.
>>
>> About a year ago, I bought a secondhand (or third- or fourth-hand, who 
>> knows?) Rambouillet (from the first run of framesets, in pearl orange). My 
>> idea was to have a sporty road/light tourer with fenders, since I live in 
>> Portland, where it drizzles seven months of the year. I built this up with 
>> a pretty Riv-like collection of stuff -- a VO triple crankset, platform 
>> pedals, some nice wheels and Pasela 28s, Shimano 9-speed bar end shifters, 
>> bars a bit above saddle height, etc. It's super pretty, everyone oohs and 
>> ahs over it, etc.
>>
>> The problem is, I kind of hate riding it. It just steers like a pig, 
>> wallowing through turns, and it feels super slow to accelerate. I get 
>> terrible pedal strike unless I coast around every turn. I've really tried 
>> to get used to the ride, but I always find myself getting angry when I'm 
>> out on the bike... like "hurry up, man! come on!" I'm a decent enough 
>> mechanic to know that there isn't anything mechanically wrong. I do think 
>> this bike is bigger on me than I generally ride -- I'm 6' tall and this is 
>> a 58cm, and generally I ride smaller than that, although it's difficult to 
>> compare compact frames against this more traditional geometry. The bike 
>> isn't super light (27 lbs or so with fenders and racks), but many of my 
>> bikes are around that weight or heavier.
>>
>> Am I just not cut out for Riv-type geometry? Is it poorly fit to me? Is 
>> there something about the Rambouillet that just makes it slow-steering and 
>> ponderous? I would love to swap out this frameset with something livelier 
>> and more fun to ride (but that can still take racks and fenders with 28mm 
>> tires), and I'm just hoping to not make the same mistake. Any insights 
>> would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
>>
>

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[RBW] Upright Riding Saddles.

[David Banzer]

With a Redwood now in the house, I'm re-purposing my Schwinn Voyageur as an 
upright-ish commuter. Plan is to swap in Albas or Bosco's at some point. 
Wald 867 are working as nice placesavers for the time being.

Problem is: My once perfectly comfy B17 is no longer so comfy when sitting 
semi-upright. 

So... what saddles are folks riding with Bosco bars?
Prefer to stick to leather saddles.

Thanks,
David
Chicago

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Re: [RBW] Upright Riding Saddles.

[Mike Williams]

Id say stick with the B17 and try tilting the nose up a bit,  it might force 
you a little rearward and maybe more upright,  it works for me!   -Mike

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 5, 2014, at 6:48 PM, David Banzer  wrote:
> 
> With a Redwood now in the house, I'm re-purposing my Schwinn Voyageur as an 
> upright-ish commuter. Plan is to swap in Albas or Bosco's at some point. Wald 
> 867 are working as nice placesavers for the time being.
> 
> Problem is: My once perfectly comfy B17 is no longer so comfy when sitting 
> semi-upright. 
> 
> So... what saddles are folks riding with Bosco bars?
> Prefer to stick to leather saddles.
> 
> Thanks,
> David
> Chicago
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Re: [RBW] Upright Riding Saddles.

[Anton Tutter]

Agreed with Michael. For bikes with city bars at saddle height or above, a 
little tilt up at the nose of a B17 does the trick for me. 

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Re: [RBW] Upright Riding Saddles.

[Kevin Mulcahy]

I switched to an SA Titanico a couple months ago and love how comfortable 
it is while installed level to the ground. It also has a little more useful 
real estate; you can sit on the nose or the rear rivets when the situation 
arises and still be comphy. I ride Albas at saddle height or slightly 
higher. 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Nanoreview, Barlow Pass 700x38C on Dyad

[Mike Schiller]

oh man! that Raleigh is tight.   My favorite color.  Love to have one of 
those.

~mike
Carlsbad Ca.

On Saturday, April 5, 2014 3:16:16 PM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
>
> 
> Mine measure Just shy of 37mm ay install on VO Raid rims.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Portland, OR: Mount Tabor Mini Ramble TOMORROW, Sunday 6 April

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

Looking forward to it. Thanks for organizing, Shawn. 
--Smitty

On Saturday, April 5, 2014 9:55:04 AM UTC-7, Shawn Granton wrote:
>
> Hello all-
>
> April is here and it's time for a smaller-than-average ramble. This ramble 
> will happen over, under, sideways, and down Mount Tabor. Meet at Montavilla 
> Park, NE 82nd Ave and Glisan St, at 4 pm tomorrow, Sunday April 6. We’ll be 
> meeting at or near the covered picnic area on the Glisan side of the park. 
> At 4:30 pm we depart for the ramble. Be prepared for a mix of paved and 
> unpaved, flat and unflat, etc. But you will be rewarded by some nice 
> scenery and weird shit. The weather for tomorrow is 30% chance of showers, 
> high of 64F/18C. It may not rain tomorrow, but there will be puddles, some 
> big.
>
> At the end of the ride we’ll retire to the Montavilla district where we 
> can have dinner and enjoy adult beverages, if that’s your thing.
>
> Ride not a loop and is the opposite of "fast paced".
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions.
>
> yours,
> Shawn
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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

[Kieran J]

I'll echo what Andy has said, in that I keep a minimal stable and also that 
I find my Ram works for me.

Mine is a 66cm, so perhaps a different frame flex feel factor than the same 
bike might have in the smaller sizes. It's possible the Ram's OS tubing is 
more compliant in the taller versions (no DTTs here, darn it). I ride mine 
on all kinds of terrain, so a bit of robustness is welcome, considering its 
duties.

I run mine with Jack Brown Greens, and it's been fast and fun. No 
complaints really, except my outstanding wonderin's of whether it will 
accept those new Compass phatties ...

KJ


On Saturday, April 5, 2014 9:41:36 PM UTC-4, ascpgh wrote:
>
> I've had my orange Rambouillet since the evening before riding across the 
> country from Yorktown. My '92 RB-1 got twitchy after four hours and I got 
> tight, achy shoulders from riding it that long despite bar and stem 
> experiments. Funding the Rambouillet was its highest and best use.
>
> The Ram was and has been a stable and confident ride for me. I ride it in 
> tight hilly places as well as fairly long flat stuff, day or night. 
> Planing, tires, fit, whatever the reason, mine has worked. I've never been 
> a stable-keeper, just a commuter/rough stuff bike and a lighter fun bike. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Saturday, April 5, 2014 8:39:57 AM UTC-4, RJM wrote:
>>
>> I don't have any experience with a Ram except my Roadeo is the same 
>> orange color so I can't help you with the steering issue or wallowing 
>> through turns. If I may suggest though, I would try some good tires on it 
>> before you give it up for good. I really do feel really good fast feeling 
>> tires make a bike feel faster. Other than that, if you are set up on the 
>> Ram correctly and don't have any fit problems, which sometimes can affect 
>> power output and of course ride feel, I don't see much reason to keep a 
>> bike you aren't jelling with. 
>>
>> One question thought, do you just feel a performance difference, or have 
>> you kept some track of it through a bike computer?  I'm just curious if the 
>> bike is actually slower than your others or just feels that way. 
>>
>> I do find a difference in feel when switching tires from bad to good 
>> though, so that is the one place I would make a change if I was going to 
>> keep that bike. 
>>
>> On Friday, April 4, 2014 12:44:27 PM UTC-5, Jeff Ong wrote:
>>
>>> So, I've got a lot of bikes and zero cars. Only two are conventional 
>>> "road" type bikes (a 2004 Merlin Fortius and an '84 Nobillette). Many are 
>>> mountain bikes, and my daily rider/commuter is a 1995 Voodoo Bizango that 
>>> I've added rack/fender eyelets to, converted to drops and 2 inch Schwalbe 
>>> Marathons, and basically made into a sort of Atlantis type ride.
>>>
>>> About a year ago, I bought a secondhand (or third- or fourth-hand, who 
>>> knows?) Rambouillet (from the first run of framesets, in pearl orange). My 
>>> idea was to have a sporty road/light tourer with fenders, since I live in 
>>> Portland, where it drizzles seven months of the year. I built this up with 
>>> a pretty Riv-like collection of stuff -- a VO triple crankset, platform 
>>> pedals, some nice wheels and Pasela 28s, Shimano 9-speed bar end shifters, 
>>> bars a bit above saddle height, etc. It's super pretty, everyone oohs and 
>>> ahs over it, etc.
>>>
>>> The problem is, I kind of hate riding it. It just steers like a pig, 
>>> wallowing through turns, and it feels super slow to accelerate. I get 
>>> terrible pedal strike unless I coast around every turn. I've really tried 
>>> to get used to the ride, but I always find myself getting angry when I'm 
>>> out on the bike... like "hurry up, man! come on!" I'm a decent enough 
>>> mechanic to know that there isn't anything mechanically wrong. I do think 
>>> this bike is bigger on me than I generally ride -- I'm 6' tall and this is 
>>> a 58cm, and generally I ride smaller than that, although it's difficult to 
>>> compare compact frames against this more traditional geometry. The bike 
>>> isn't super light (27 lbs or so with fenders and racks), but many of my 
>>> bikes are around that weight or heavier.
>>>
>>> Am I just not cut out for Riv-type geometry? Is it poorly fit to me? Is 
>>> there something about the Rambouillet that just makes it slow-steering and 
>>> ponderous? I would love to swap out this frameset with something livelier 
>>> and more fun to ride (but that can still take racks and fenders with 28mm 
>>> tires), and I'm just hoping to not make the same mistake. Any insights 
>>> would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

[oldmangabe]

As an aside to this discussion, I personally don't see why people are 
dogging on the Pasela TG tires. I've ridden a heap of different tires over 
a heap of miles myself (ranging the whole spectrum), and have found the 
TG's to be much better than most. I know that everyone's expreiences are 
more or less distinct which are in turn affected by various unique factors, 
but as I said, from my experiences I just don't agree with the seemingly 
general opinion that the TG's are heavy, slow, stiff, poor handling tires. 
YMMV and all that, but it's bizarre to me to be located on the periphery of 
opinion regarding the TG tire.  Blah, blah, blah...

If a bike isn't making you happy, don't feel bad passing it on. You will 
find another bike that will stoke you out more in the long term. 

Grumpy out.

Gabe 

On Friday, April 4, 2014 10:44:27 AM UTC-7, Jeff Ong wrote:
>
> So, I've got a lot of bikes and zero cars. Only two are conventional 
> "road" type bikes (a 2004 Merlin Fortius and an '84 Nobillette). Many are 
> mountain bikes, and my daily rider/commuter is a 1995 Voodoo Bizango that 
> I've added rack/fender eyelets to, converted to drops and 2 inch Schwalbe 
> Marathons, and basically made into a sort of Atlantis type ride.
>
> About a year ago, I bought a secondhand (or third- or fourth-hand, who 
> knows?) Rambouillet (from the first run of framesets, in pearl orange). My 
> idea was to have a sporty road/light tourer with fenders, since I live in 
> Portland, where it drizzles seven months of the year. I built this up with 
> a pretty Riv-like collection of stuff -- a VO triple crankset, platform 
> pedals, some nice wheels and Pasela 28s, Shimano 9-speed bar end shifters, 
> bars a bit above saddle height, etc. It's super pretty, everyone oohs and 
> ahs over it, etc.
>
> The problem is, I kind of hate riding it. It just steers like a pig, 
> wallowing through turns, and it feels super slow to accelerate. I get 
> terrible pedal strike unless I coast around every turn. I've really tried 
> to get used to the ride, but I always find myself getting angry when I'm 
> out on the bike... like "hurry up, man! come on!" I'm a decent enough 
> mechanic to know that there isn't anything mechanically wrong. I do think 
> this bike is bigger on me than I generally ride -- I'm 6' tall and this is 
> a 58cm, and generally I ride smaller than that, although it's difficult to 
> compare compact frames against this more traditional geometry. The bike 
> isn't super light (27 lbs or so with fenders and racks), but many of my 
> bikes are around that weight or heavier.
>
> Am I just not cut out for Riv-type geometry? Is it poorly fit to me? Is 
> there something about the Rambouillet that just makes it slow-steering and 
> ponderous? I would love to swap out this frameset with something livelier 
> and more fun to ride (but that can still take racks and fenders with 28mm 
> tires), and I'm just hoping to not make the same mistake. Any insights 
> would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
>

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[RBW] Re: Not diggin' 650b ~ Why do I prefer my 26" Atlantis?

[Lynne Fitz]

Hutchinsons

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[RBW] Re: FS- platrack, slickersack, tires, pedals

[Coconutbill]

>
> all items sold... thanks!
>

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[RBW] Re: Upright Riding Saddles.

[Joe Bernard]

I use a B68 which has seen duty on several uprighty bikes I've owned. It's 
wide, flat and comfy as a couch even before break-in. Riv only sells the 
sprung B67 version, which may be overkill for your application. I've heard 
the springless 68 is out of production now, but I'm sure you can find one 
somewhere (Wallbike maybe).
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.
 
On Saturday, April 5, 2014 6:48:20 PM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:

> With a Redwood now in the house, I'm re-purposing my Schwinn Voyageur as 
> an upright-ish commuter. Plan is to swap in Albas or Bosco's at some point. 
> Wald 867 are working as nice placesavers for the time being.
>
> Problem is: My once perfectly comfy B17 is no longer so comfy when sitting 
> semi-upright. 
>
> So... what saddles are folks riding with Bosco bars?
> Prefer to stick to leather saddles.
>
> Thanks,
> David
> Chicago
>

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[RBW] Re: 33.3 vs 35 (Jack Brown vs Paselas)

[john]

I'd go for the Jack's for sure. (Can't speak for the Blues, which I have 
not used, but the Greens, for sure, go for it!) The JB Greens do everything 
the Pasellas do but better. They're faster, more responsive, grippy, and at 
least for me, at least as puncture resistant. I like both tires a lot, but 
for my Sam HIllborne, at least, the JB Greens are the perfect match.

On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 2:09:20 PM UTC-7, Mathew Greiner wrote:
>
> Sorry if this is an old, worn out topic. My main question is to do with 
> the benefits of a smoother rolling tire (Jack Brown) vs a slightly fatter 
> tire. The Pasela isn't that much larger than the Jack Brown, but on the 
> other hand, the Jack Brown isn't that much larger than my current tires. 
> Both would probably be an improvement, but in different ways. I don't have 
> a strong preference along the fast rolling vs puncture resistance spectrum. 
>
> I currently ride short to moderate rides–mainly city or well worn trails. 
> I have 32mm Kenda Eurotreks that came with my Handsome Devil, which I have 
> Rivved up as best I can (and which I like a lot and won't know any better 
> until one of you puts a non-single speed Riv up for sale at just the right 
> price in just the right size at just the right point in a paycheck cycle).

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