Re: [RBW] Re: Exceptional Rainwear

[Deacon Patrick]

Indeed, Bob. What frustrates me is I've long asked local and national 
experts about how to not get wet from sweat but stay dry. They all talked 
up their systems of choice, but none of them actually work in use. The 
"hypothermia" zone is especially dangerous from 25˚F - 60˚F. Add in wet at 
those temps and core body temp can drop dangerously low dangerously fast. 
For me, that's the intended temp range for with I bought this jacket -- 
anything above or below that and I already have systems to handle it. It's 
a bonus that it works great below that too. At $390 it seems pricy for a 
rain jacket (though in line with the lowish end of the upper end of 
Goretex), but a bargain when I consider that I can now be out in anything 
doing what I love to do. Yeah, I'm excited. And no doubt the Colorado Trail 
(or any alpine high altitude) has the potential to be wet and in the 30's 
in the middle of summer.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, July 15, 2013 9:04:35 PM UTC-6, Robert Barr wrote:
>
> Patrick - we learn together. When you are comfortable with constant rain, 
> back and forth, exert and sweat/rest, you are doing well. And when you can 
> do that in the difficult temperatures of 50 - 60 degrees I think you have 
> success. Bob
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Deacon Patrick 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> Exactly, Bob. You are clearly ahead of my slow learning curve. I wish I'd 
>> found this 15 years ago (when the Nikwax analogy first came out, though the 
>> blending with the ventile is fairly new). Paramo make a nylon version of 
>> the same concept if you prefer nylon (Hilltrek sells it, not sure if anyone 
>> in the US does). I prever the ventile for it's soft, quiet, and hearty 
>> wear. From my own (so far short) experience and from reading up on how this 
>> system works, it is ideal for wet or dry conditions below 60-70˚F, all the 
>> way down however far you want to go just by adding additional layers. 
>> Sitting around camp at 60-65˚F, I put it on over my thin wool t-shirt when 
>> it got cloudy and windy. Happy as a clam. Previously I'd have used a wool 
>> layer for that. Then it would start to rain, with more wind. I was fine 
>> until about 50˚F, when I put on a wool layer or two. Coming out this 
>> morning, I cycled out with my Riv. Aussie wool long sleeve shirt under the 
>> Cotton Analogy jacket. I sweated a lot going up the hills, then waited for 
>> my daughter to walk her bike up and we'd rest together. The constant rain, 
>> back and forth, exert and sweat/rest and cool down never felt wet or clammy 
>> or cold. Warm and toasty and dry the whole time.
>>
>> Before ordering from Hilltrek, I asked Dave and Grant about that double 
>> ventile cycling jacket. It's not going to happen, but they were curious to 
>> know how I liked this system when I got it. It would be great if they would 
>> carry some of this stuff. Hilltrek has a cycling specific jacket, but for 
>> my multi-murpose use, I preferred the smock.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 15, 2013 8:15:33 PM UTC-6, Robert Barr wrote:
>>
>>> In the 90s Americans climbing in Scotland were frustrated with their 
>>> mountaineering gear made for cold dry conditions. They were getting 
>>> drenched with sweat during exertion and then freezing when they slowed 
>>> down, They noticed that the Scottish climbers were using a very different 
>>> clothing system for their unique climate. Instead of bomb-proof waterproof 
>>> fabrics they went with a highly breathable exterior fabric and a wicking 
>>> pile on the interior. The "Scottish system" was much discussed in the late 
>>> 90s because it was counter to all the major trends of waterproof and seam 
>>> sealed. I know that much of the story because my all time favorite jacket 
>>> for strenuous activities in cold wet weather is a Patagonia Infurno, which 
>>> was Patagonia's take on the Scottish system. Sounds like from Deacon's note 
>>> that he finds the system good for cool to cold and wet riding. I do as 
>>> well. Grant was working on a Ventile jacket. I remember at least one 
>>> picture of him wearing a trial version. I don't know if the project 
>>> continues. 
>>>
>>> For hot and humid with rain I wear shorts and seersucker or a wicking 
>>> t-shirt. 
>>>
>>> Bob (Indianapolis)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
 For 70+˚F and high humidity with rain, I would wear shorts and t-shirt. 
 Colorado's mountains don't get that combo. Storms drop us to 50-60 or 
 lower. So we may start out at 80, but cool down fast with the storm. 
 Scotland has used boiled, lanolined wool for hundreds of years at least 
 for 
 cold/wet combo.

 With abandon,
 Patrick


 On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:36:07 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:
>
> It is in the 80's - 100's here in MD with high humidity in the summer.
>>
> I am basically drenched in sweat when riding until fall, when it gets 
> ba

[RBW] Re: Stainless steel versus grey-coat Tubus Fly?

[Ron Mc]

Evan, I think they rate the Tubus for 55 lbs. - it's a very stout rack. 
 The Fly and the Vega are the same rack with different front mounts - the 
Fly uses a single L-bracket to the brake bolt, and the Vega uses two struts 
to M5 lugs.




On Monday, July 15, 2013 10:00:09 PM UTC-5, Evan Spacht wrote:
>
> I have been contemplating this same combo: medium sackville , tubus fly.
> Is this rack not an adequate bag support? I'm using a Top Rack and was 
> thinking about selling it for a Fly.
>
> -Evan
>
> On Monday, July 15, 2013 4:57:19 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I ordered what was supposed to be a stainless steel Fly from ProBikeKit 
>> in Britain -- $83 and change express shipped from Britain (arrived today 
>> after 7 days). It looks to me like a grey powdercoat, not stainless steel.
>>  
>> No big worries, since, looks apart, I actually prefer the chromo model 
>> because it is both lighter and stronger, but nonetheless, a question: does 
>> Tubus make a "silver' powdercoat Fly model?
>>
>> I'd rather have the grey than black, at any rate. It's for the '03 Curt 
>> Riv Custom Errand bike, to replace with panniers the very nice, but not 
>> quite large enough or easy enough to use Sackville Medium.
>>
>> -- 
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>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/
>>
>>
>> Albuquerque, NM
>>  
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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[RBW] Re: Stainless steel versus grey-coat Tubus Fly?

[Ron Mc]

looks like The Touring Store has them all in stock.  
http://www.thetouringstore.com/TUBUS/TUBUS%20HOME/TUBUS%20HOME%20PAGE.htm  
They also run a class show and have every support component in stock. 
 That's where I got 350mm stays for my daughter's bike.  


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[RBW] Re: Bottom Bracket Changes

[Ron Mc]

I know SKS makes their square-taper bosses oversized on purpose, which 
precludes the problem you're having.  My guess is what changed was a set 
(deformation) in your crank.  

On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:38:22 PM UTC-5, MattB wrote:
>
> ...I have found that I cannot get the cranks to seat well. Plenty of the 
> creaking and snapping that I've always associated with square taper cranks 
> not fully installed or seated well.  
> My question is this, does anyone know of any differences between the taper 
> of the Shimano and Tange spindles? I always thought a JIS taper is a JIS 
> taper and just about any JIS crank would fit well on any JIS spindle. The 
> cranks are not new, in fact may be pretty worn, so I thought this may have 
> been the cause.  Do square taper cranks take a set with respect to the 
> spindle they are installed on  originally and then possibly not seat well 
> on a different spindle when re-installed?
>
>
> Thanks for any insight, ride safely
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[RBW] Re: Stainless steel versus grey-coat Tubus Fly?

[Matthew J]

Depending on the length of your chainstays / crank arms, you may have 
trouble avoiding heel strike with a large rear pannier on the Fly.  
Otherwise, it is a nice and versatile design.

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[RBW] Re: Stainless steel versus grey-coat Tubus Fly?

[Ron Mc]

Matthew, again referencing my daughter's bike - she has Lone Peak panniers, 
which allow you adjust the bottom hook position to keep the bag as far back 
on the rack as possible. The top clamps also bite pretty solid on the large 
tubing.  Tubus and Lone Peak are a great combo.  

On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 7:40:34 AM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:
>
> Depending on the length of your chainstays / crank arms, you may have 
> trouble avoiding heel strike with a large rear pannier on the Fly.  
> Otherwise, it is a nice and versatile design.

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Re: [RBW] Re: My wife's new Betty Foy

[Addison Wilhite]

They are the Schwalbe Marathons...the roll quite nicely.

Regards,


On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:33 AM, KLA  wrote:

> Thanks!  I ask because I have a 9cm on my 58, and am considering going
> longer (currently,  bars are tilted down, even with the saddle, which I
> like), but am afraid to make changes and make it worse, as it bothered me
> before, but I've gotten somewhat used to it by now.
>
> Also what tires, thanks, Kate
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, July 15, 2013 9:35:50 AM UTC-4, Addison wrote:
>
>> Hi Kate,
>> It's a 55 cm.  She mostly went with the standard build kit which looks to
>> be an 11 cm stem but I haven't measured it.  Still decided if she wants the
>> bars a little higher or not.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 4:36 PM, KLA  wrote:
>>
>>> Beautiful!  What size and what stem length, thanks, Kate
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 12, 2013 11:00:17 AM UTC-4, Addison wrote:

 Thought I'd pass along a few pics.  Today was her first commute on the
 bike.  Still dialing a few things in but she's loving it.

 http://reno-rambler.blogspot.**c**om/2013/07/a-new-bike-in-**famil**
 y-betty-foy.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: First ride with the Noodles

[Christopher Chen]

Curtis:

I wanted to see how it felt to carry a moderate camping load at a pace and
distance in excess of what I've done or plan to do. I have to say it
handled beautifully...My homer responds well to being loaded (I weigh about
145). Climbs well, descents stable, just a solid ride.

I figure a daily mileage closer to 50-80 is more by deal. I've got a large
saddlesack in the back with bedding, first aid, and tools, a tent strapped
to the top of the sack, and a converted Timbuk2 bag clipped to the front
basket with clothes, chain lube, sunscreen, and my camera. The handle loop
was an easy place to clip the cue sheet.

There you go. More information than you require. :-)
On Jul 15, 2013 10:59 PM, "Curtis McKenzie"  wrote:

> Christopher,
>
> Sounds like a fun ride Seattle to Portland. What where you carrying on you
> bike?
>
> We will be in San Franscio for a few days of bike exploration.  We will
> make a stop at Rivendell headquarters I am sure.  After San Franscio we
> plan to go further north along the coast for a couple of days of bike
> camping.
>
> Ride safe,
>
> Curtis
>
> On Monday, July 15, 2013, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
>> I love the noodles. I might try albas one day, but for now, they're
>> incredible bars. I just finished a 2 day, 200 mile Seattle to Portland
>> thing and other than some leg soreness, my wrists are fine (which are a
>> problem for me, since I type a lot). I loved going into the drops for quick
>> passing sprints, or even climbs, and there's so much bar on top to move
>> around in. On the Seattle-Portland rumble, the noodles were awesome on some
>> pretty quick jeep road descents--I always felt like I was in control.
>>
>> cc
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 9:14 PM, dougP  wrote:
>>
>>> The Noodles are probably more user friendly than flickr :-).  As a user
>>> of both, just my opinion.  I think I can tape handlebars faster & with more
>>> confidence than downloading & posting photos, but that's my problem.
>>>
>>> Seriously, nice photos.  Looks like you had a fun ride.
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 11, 2013 5:19:53 PM UTC-7, Curtis wrote:

 Pictures to prove it.  About 10 miles with a little bit of dirt.  First
 time using flickr.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/**97010676@N07/sets/**72157634602760690/

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[RBW] Re: Does your upstroke knee break the plane of your Alba bar ends?

[bobish]

Based on your description, Michael, my knee is exactly aligned with the end of 
the bar. I use bar end shifters, however, so those break the imaginary plane. 
This position is wonderful for me and at this height stem/bar, I'm thinking 
some more extension may work even better. I have an effective 8.5cm extension 
on a dirt drop stem and may try a 12-14 cm tallux at some point. Whether that 
will be an improvement, I can't say (fine points of personal preference bicycle 
adjustment and all that). 

Btw, for anyone wondering about knee/bar end shifter interference while slow 
speed turning, the way if works is that you hit your knee 3 or 4 times, curse 
under breath, and then some reflex kicks in thereafter which allows you to move 
your knee out of the way without thought or hesitation. 

• Perry

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[RBW] Re: Stainless steel versus grey-coat Tubus Fly?

[Matthew J]

Thanks.  Will look into this.
On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 7:44:15 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: 
>
> Matthew, again referencing my daughter's bike - she has Lone Peak 
> panniers, which allow you adjust the bottom hook position to keep the bag 
> as far back on the rack as possible. The top clamps also bite pretty solid 
> on the large tubing.  Tubus and Lone Peak are a great combo.  
>
> On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 7:40:34 AM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote: 
>>
>> Depending on the length of your chainstays / crank arms, you may have 
>> trouble avoiding heel strike with a large rear pannier on the Fly.  
>> Otherwise, it is a nice and versatile design.
>
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[RBW] Re: Family Bike Tour

[Shoji Takahashi]

Great pics (and memories, I'm sure)!


On Monday, July 15, 2013 1:17:42 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Beautiful!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, July 13, 2013 10:52:42 AM UTC-6, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:
>>
>> Landing back at home after a week bike tour with my family and hearing 
>> the news about Seth V was/is gut wrenching. Like most of those who 
>> commented on that thread, I only knew Seth online through this group. It 
>> still feels like a loss nonetheless. Right before we departed on our trip, 
>> I heard another incident of a cyclist hit-and-run on a road just outside 
>> Portland. As me and mine pedaled over this past week, it was tough to shake 
>> thoughts of the risks we take by riding on roads. We made it through 
>> without incident and the the time spent with the family on the bike was the 
>> stuff to remember for a lifetime. Despite the risks involved in doing a 
>> trip like this, my belief that bicycling is the "freedom of the open road" 
>> that car commercials have been peddling for however many years, is that 
>> much stronger.
>>
>> Pics remind me why I ride. 
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/15966859@N07/sets/72157634624349704/
>>
>> --Smitty
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: STP 2013

[Christopher Chen]

That's the closest I got:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/9288153757/


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> No Bleriot pics!?!?  Aw, man!
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[RBW] Re: First ride with the Noodles

[hsmitham]

Well done on the wrap. Great pictures and I'm curious were you riding out 
in La Mesa? Have a great time in NorCal. A visit to RivHq is always a treat 
good, good, people.

~Hugh

On Thursday, July 11, 2013 5:19:53 PM UTC-7, Curtis wrote:
>
> Pictures to prove it.  About 10 miles with a little bit of dirt.  First 
> time using flickr.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/97010676@N07/sets/72157634602760690/
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[RBW] Re: My wife's new Betty Foy

[hsmitham]

Great photographs and your wife does look like Christmas came early :-) 
Just spoke with Riv and ours is on the way :-) 

~Hugh

On Friday, July 12, 2013 8:00:17 AM UTC-7, Addison wrote:
>
> Thought I'd pass along a few pics.  Today was her first commute on the 
> bike.  Still dialing a few things in but she's loving it.
>
>
> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/07/a-new-bike-in-family-betty-foy.html
>
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[RBW] Re: First ride with the Noodles

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

Always nice to see another "Double Homer". 

--Smitty

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>
> Pictures to prove it.  About 10 miles with a little bit of dirt.  First 
> time using flickr.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/97010676@N07/sets/72157634602760690/
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 61 cm Atlantis 2150.00

[Tony McG]

Tim,

I always have my eyes peeled for the pretty steel bikes.  I will be riding 
my Soma San Marcos w Brand V handlebar and seat bags.

Tony

On Monday, July 15, 2013 7:50:05 AM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Very nice!  Keep an eye out for me on Ragbrai Thurs/Fri/Sat; I'll be on my 
> red '97 Rivendell Road w light blue moustache bars.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:01 AM, IanA >wrote:
>
>> Congrats!  That was a good deal.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, July 14, 2013 4:08:37 PM UTC-6, Tony McG wrote:
>>>
>>> *It's mine !!!*
>>>
>>> I met Jim in Hannibal, MO this morning and bought his Atlantis.  The 
>>> frame is a 2009 Toyo built with a kickstand plate and braze-ons everywhere. 
>>>  I have it locked up in the garage and I am not going to look at it until I 
>>> get back from RAGBRAI; there is a little devil on my shoulder telling me to 
>>> pull the necessary parts off of my other bikes and riding the Riv instead 
>>> of the San Marcos next weekend.
>>>
>>> Thanks for posting this, Kelly !!!
>>>
>>> http://i464.photobucket.com/**albums/rr7/WFRTony/DSCN0912.**jpg
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 10, 2013 3:40:06 PM UTC-5, Kelly wrote:

 Ok here are e photos and contact info.  This is not my bike and I get 
 nothing if sold or not.
 This thing is pristine and would pass for new.  He wants 2000 without 
 wheels.

 Freight is Not included

 Photos
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/**tksleeper/sets/**72157634579220753/

 Contact
 mcclur...@att.net
 James McClure

 Kelly

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Re: [RBW] Re: Exceptional Rainwear

[Deacon Patrick]

Is Scotland's weather so unique a combination of cold and wet that 
experienced climbers would not normally encounter similar conditions a 
myriad of other places? Is seems to me the Scots are unique in the 
ingenuity of their solution more than their weather. Of course I'm guilty 
of being a likely too proud Scot, I am biased toward Scottish genius. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Monday, July 15, 2013 8:15:33 PM UTC-6, Robert Barr wrote:
>
> In the 90s Americans climbing in Scotland were frustrated with their 
> mountaineering gear made for cold dry conditions. They were getting 
> drenched with sweat during exertion and then freezing when they slowed 
> down, They noticed that the Scottish climbers were using a very different 
> clothing system for their unique climate. Instead of bomb-proof waterproof 
> fabrics they went with a highly breathable exterior fabric and a wicking 
> pile on the interior. The "Scottish system" was much discussed in the late 
> 90s because it was counter to all the major trends of waterproof and seam 
> sealed. I know that much of the story because my all time favorite jacket 
> for strenuous activities in cold wet weather is a Patagonia Infurno, which 
> was Patagonia's take on the Scottish system. Sounds like from Deacon's note 
> that he finds the system good for cool to cold and wet riding. I do as 
> well. Grant was working on a Ventile jacket. I remember at least one 
> picture of him wearing a trial version. I don't know if the project 
> continues. 
>
> For hot and humid with rain I wear shorts and seersucker or a wicking 
> t-shirt. 
>
> Bob (Indianapolis)
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Deacon Patrick 
> > wrote:
>
>> For 70+˚F and high humidity with rain, I would wear shorts and t-shirt. 
>> Colorado's mountains don't get that combo. Storms drop us to 50-60 or 
>> lower. So we may start out at 80, but cool down fast with the storm. 
>> Scotland has used boiled, lanolined wool for hundreds of years at least for 
>> cold/wet combo.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:36:07 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:
>>>
>>> It is in the 80's - 100's here in MD with high humidity in the summer.

>>> I am basically drenched in sweat when riding until fall, when it gets 
>>> back into the 50's. So I think that means no breatheable stuff will matter 
>>> in those conditions of summer.
>>>  
>>> It was around 100 I think on Saturday when I got caught in a shower. But 
>>> I didn't want to ride under my poncho because I was already boiling over, 
>>> and the plastic would have made matters worse I think.
>>>  
>>> I wonder what people did back in the day before all the technology for 
>>> breatheable stuff we have now?
>>>  
>>> I guess just got sweaty.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: STP 2013

[Michael]

>
> No Bleriot pics!?!?  Aw, man!
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[RBW] Re: Bottom Bracket Changes

[dougP]

Matt:

Check Sheldon's website.  I agree a JIS should be a JIS but he discusses 
the various tapers, problems, solutions, etc.  Things like the bolt 
bottoming out before getting the crank tight enough, mixing tapers, etc.  
FWIW, I've had the Sugino cranks off'n'on my Atlantis probably a half dozen 
times in 10 years.  Mine came with the Tange & I replaced with Shimano, 
perhaps 5 years ago.  Everything goes back together with no creaks.  I'm 
not sure how many cycles of R&R a crankset can take before wearing but 
given the service it can't be a large number.  

dougP

On Monday, July 15, 2013 4:38:22 PM UTC-7, MattB wrote:
>
> As an introduction, I'm a blissed out owner of what may be the only (?) 
> Hilborne Orange Atlantis. My rideable stable has diminished to the point 
> that I only have my Atlantis in running condition and I haven't really 
> found it to be a problem, it seems to be the only bike I want to get on and 
> ride anyway;   ref to earlier post regarding whether or not you could live 
> with just one bike.
> To get to the point, the original bottom bracket I installed in the 
> Atlantis has finally given up. I don't know how many miles, I gave up 
> odometers when I built this bike, but it has served me well over the last 
> few years. I ordered a replacement, the original was the Tange cartridge 
> that Riv used to carry, and I received a Shimano BB-UN55.  I've always had 
> good luck with Shimano so I replaced the Tange. I installed my cranks, 
> Sugino XD2, on the new Shimano spindle and I have found that I cannot get 
> the cranks to seat well. Plenty of the creaking and snapping that I've 
> always associated with square taper cranks not fully installed or seated 
> well.  
> My question is this, does anyone know of any differences between the taper 
> of the Shimano and Tange spindles? I always thought a JIS taper is a JIS 
> taper and just about any JIS crank would fit well on any JIS spindle. The 
> cranks are not new, in fact may be pretty worn, so I thought this may have 
> been the cause.  Do square taper cranks take a set with respect to the 
> spindle they are installed on  originally and then possibly not seat well 
> on a different spindle when re-installed?
>
>
> Thanks for any insight, ride safely
>

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[RBW] Re: Bottom Bracket Changes

[Joe Bernard]

I don't know this to be a common problem, but in this case I'd say you're 
about due for shiny new cranks. 

On Monday, July 15, 2013 4:38:22 PM UTC-7, MattB wrote:

> As an introduction, I'm a blissed out owner of what may be the only (?) 
> Hilborne Orange Atlantis. My rideable stable has diminished to the point 
> that I only have my Atlantis in running condition and I haven't really 
> found it to be a problem, it seems to be the only bike I want to get on and 
> ride anyway;   ref to earlier post regarding whether or not you could live 
> with just one bike.
> To get to the point, the original bottom bracket I installed in the 
> Atlantis has finally given up. I don't know how many miles, I gave up 
> odometers when I built this bike, but it has served me well over the last 
> few years. I ordered a replacement, the original was the Tange cartridge 
> that Riv used to carry, and I received a Shimano BB-UN55.  I've always had 
> good luck with Shimano so I replaced the Tange. I installed my cranks, 
> Sugino XD2, on the new Shimano spindle and I have found that I cannot get 
> the cranks to seat well. Plenty of the creaking and snapping that I've 
> always associated with square taper cranks not fully installed or seated 
> well.  
> My question is this, does anyone know of any differences between the taper 
> of the Shimano and Tange spindles? I always thought a JIS taper is a JIS 
> taper and just about any JIS crank would fit well on any JIS spindle. The 
> cranks are not new, in fact may be pretty worn, so I thought this may have 
> been the cause.  Do square taper cranks take a set with respect to the 
> spindle they are installed on  originally and then possibly not seat well 
> on a different spindle when re-installed?
>
>
> Thanks for any insight, ride safely
>

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[RBW] Re: Seattle to Portland

[Andy Williams]

Rob, 

A lot of riders passed my on the Puyallup hill, and lots of other places on 
the ride!

And, yes, despite all the drawbacks, I'll do STP again, probably just to be 
a participant in a PNW ritual.

Andy

On Monday, July 15, 2013 9:54:37 PM UTC-7, rob markwardt wrote:
>
> One of the things I like about STP is that it's so different from my usual 
> rides.  I'd guess I'm a loner over 95% of the time so getting on the road 
> with 10,000 other bikers is quite of a cultural shock. Yes, you do see a 
> lot of Rubes and wannabe racers but you also see just about every thing 
> else from unicycles, to quads, to beach cruisers, to a sting ray with a 
> foam cushioned seat!  
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/9294207165/
>
> I rode my Riv custom 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/9296985436/in/photostream/ which 
> performed admirably (better than my old trusty paramount which I'd ridden 
> the previous couple years).  I saw a only a couple other rivs including an 
> awesome looking Betty Foy ridden by a strong lady rider, a Homer Hilsen, 
> and I think I passed Andy on his Bleriot on the bottom of the Puyallup hill 
> (I meant to stop and chat but didn't think the HILL was a good place to 
> talk...unfortunately I didn't see him again).  
>
> I will likely do it again.  I've done it with my two brothers the previous 
> couple years 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/7586271190/in/set-72157630610876118 
> and 
> it's fun way to get together.  If I was by myself I'd ride way faster but I 
> don't know if I'd take time to soak in the whole experience.  
>
> Rob Markwardt
>
>
> On Monday, July 15, 2013 8:25:12 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> Two sets of photos from my STP adventure (different cameras; I haven't 
>> had time to merge the sets yet):
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/sets/72157634641658327/
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/sets/72157634660319370/
>>
>> I ran into Frank and his family on the way to Kent (well, not actually 
>> "ran into" ... there was quite enough of that going around), and saw a few 
>> other Rivs out there. I was, so far as I saw, the only rider on 20-inch 
>> wheels. I was astride my Dahon Smooth Hound, which performed acceptably 
>> well over a not-so-challenging course.
>>
>> Echoing many other riders, I don't know that I'll be back doing STP 
>> anytime soon. It was a great experience, reminiscent of PBP in the level of 
>> support shown by the communities along the way. But the ... differing ... 
>> skill levels exhibited by the riders, and the crush of cycling humanity on 
>> the road, was a bit too much for me. I may return, as I have done in the 
>> past, to ride the course again. I missed so much scenery because I was 
>> watching the riders around me to see who was going to make the next erratic 
>> move.
>>
>> --Eric
>> campyo...@me.com
>> www.campyonly.com
>> www.wheelsnorth.org
>> Blog: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
>> Twitter: @campyonlyguy
>>  
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[RBW] Re: Bottom Bracket Changes

[Garth]

Just get another Tange and you'll be fine. I buy the ln-3922 Tange , it has 
steel cups which I prefer.  I had a Shimano UN-54 creek with a TA Carmina, 
I isolated it to the BB, so see ya Shimano, hello Tange. Problem solved. 

As far as a crank being accustomed to a spindle, sure, anything is possible 
, but these are not precision made parts we are speaking of here. Like a 
box of chocolates, you never really know what you're going to get with bike 
parts until you open the box and use them ;) There really are no rules 
other than common sense general ones, like a JIS won't work with an 
outboard BB . Doh ! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Exceptional Rainwear

[Robert Barr]

I think you are correct about the jacket being a bargain if it keeps you
warn and dry. In the mountains it is too easy to go from cold and wet to
real trouble.


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:15 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Indeed, Bob. What frustrates me is I've long asked local and national
> experts about how to not get wet from sweat but stay dry. They all talked
> up their systems of choice, but none of them actually work in use. The
> "hypothermia" zone is especially dangerous from 25˚F - 60˚F. Add in wet at
> those temps and core body temp can drop dangerously low dangerously fast.
> For me, that's the intended temp range for with I bought this jacket --
> anything above or below that and I already have systems to handle it. It's
> a bonus that it works great below that too. At $390 it seems pricy for a
> rain jacket (though in line with the lowish end of the upper end of
> Goretex), but a bargain when I consider that I can now be out in anything
> doing what I love to do. Yeah, I'm excited. And no doubt the Colorado Trail
> (or any alpine high altitude) has the potential to be wet and in the 30's
> in the middle of summer.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Monday, July 15, 2013 9:04:35 PM UTC-6, Robert Barr wrote:
>
>> Patrick - we learn together. When you are comfortable with constant
>> rain, back and forth, exert and sweat/rest, you are doing well. And when
>> you can do that in the difficult temperatures of 50 - 60 degrees I think
>> you have success. Bob
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>>> Exactly, Bob. You are clearly ahead of my slow learning curve. I wish
>>> I'd found this 15 years ago (when the Nikwax analogy first came out, though
>>> the blending with the ventile is fairly new). Paramo make a nylon version
>>> of the same concept if you prefer nylon (Hilltrek sells it, not sure if
>>> anyone in the US does). I prever the ventile for it's soft, quiet, and
>>> hearty wear. From my own (so far short) experience and from reading up on
>>> how this system works, it is ideal for wet or dry conditions below 60-70˚F,
>>> all the way down however far you want to go just by adding additional
>>> layers. Sitting around camp at 60-65˚F, I put it on over my thin wool
>>> t-shirt when it got cloudy and windy. Happy as a clam. Previously I'd have
>>> used a wool layer for that. Then it would start to rain, with more wind. I
>>> was fine until about 50˚F, when I put on a wool layer or two. Coming out
>>> this morning, I cycled out with my Riv. Aussie wool long sleeve shirt under
>>> the Cotton Analogy jacket. I sweated a lot going up the hills, then waited
>>> for my daughter to walk her bike up and we'd rest together. The constant
>>> rain, back and forth, exert and sweat/rest and cool down never felt wet or
>>> clammy or cold. Warm and toasty and dry the whole time.
>>>
>>> Before ordering from Hilltrek, I asked Dave and Grant about that double
>>> ventile cycling jacket. It's not going to happen, but they were curious to
>>> know how I liked this system when I got it. It would be great if they would
>>> carry some of this stuff. Hilltrek has a cycling specific jacket, but for
>>> my multi-murpose use, I preferred the smock.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 15, 2013 8:15:33 PM UTC-6, Robert Barr wrote:
>>>
 In the 90s Americans climbing in Scotland were frustrated with their
 mountaineering gear made for cold dry conditions. They were getting
 drenched with sweat during exertion and then freezing when they slowed
 down, They noticed that the Scottish climbers were using a very different
 clothing system for their unique climate. Instead of bomb-proof waterproof
 fabrics they went with a highly breathable exterior fabric and a wicking
 pile on the interior. The "Scottish system" was much discussed in the late
 90s because it was counter to all the major trends of waterproof and seam
 sealed. I know that much of the story because my all time favorite jacket
 for strenuous activities in cold wet weather is a Patagonia Infurno, which
 was Patagonia's take on the Scottish system. Sounds like from Deacon's note
 that he finds the system good for cool to cold and wet riding. I do as
 well. Grant was working on a Ventile jacket. I remember at least one
 picture of him wearing a trial version. I don't know if the project
 continues.

 For hot and humid with rain I wear shorts and seersucker or a wicking
 t-shirt.

 Bob (Indianapolis)


 On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> For 70+˚F and high humidity with rain, I would wear shorts and
> t-shirt. Colorado's mountains don't get that combo. Storms drop us to 
> 50-60
> or lower. So we may start out at 80, but cool down fast with the storm.
> Scotland has used boiled, lanolined wool for hundreds of years at least 
> for
> cold/wet combo.
>
> With ab

Re: [RBW] Re: Exceptional Rainwear

[Robert Barr]

I have not climbed or hiked in Scotland, but the people I talked with about
the Grampians have told me it is a beautiful and difficult place. The high
latitude (think northern Canada) combined with winds from Atlantic
depressions makes for a difficult climate. That said, I want to get to the
West Highland trail with the Hunqapillar! Be well - Bob


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Is Scotland's weather so unique a combination of cold and wet that
> experienced climbers would not normally encounter similar conditions a
> myriad of other places? Is seems to me the Scots are unique in the
> ingenuity of their solution more than their weather. Of course I'm guilty
> of being a likely too proud Scot, I am biased toward Scottish genius. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Monday, July 15, 2013 8:15:33 PM UTC-6, Robert Barr wrote:
>
>> In the 90s Americans climbing in Scotland were frustrated with their
>> mountaineering gear made for cold dry conditions. They were getting
>> drenched with sweat during exertion and then freezing when they slowed
>> down, They noticed that the Scottish climbers were using a very different
>> clothing system for their unique climate. Instead of bomb-proof waterproof
>> fabrics they went with a highly breathable exterior fabric and a wicking
>> pile on the interior. The "Scottish system" was much discussed in the late
>> 90s because it was counter to all the major trends of waterproof and seam
>> sealed. I know that much of the story because my all time favorite jacket
>> for strenuous activities in cold wet weather is a Patagonia Infurno, which
>> was Patagonia's take on the Scottish system. Sounds like from Deacon's note
>> that he finds the system good for cool to cold and wet riding. I do as
>> well. Grant was working on a Ventile jacket. I remember at least one
>> picture of him wearing a trial version. I don't know if the project
>> continues.
>>
>> For hot and humid with rain I wear shorts and seersucker or a wicking
>> t-shirt.
>>
>> Bob (Indianapolis)
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>>
>>> For 70+˚F and high humidity with rain, I would wear shorts and t-shirt.
>>> Colorado's mountains don't get that combo. Storms drop us to 50-60 or
>>> lower. So we may start out at 80, but cool down fast with the storm.
>>> Scotland has used boiled, lanolined wool for hundreds of years at least for
>>> cold/wet combo.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:36:07 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:

 It is in the 80's - 100's here in MD with high humidity in the summer.
>
 I am basically drenched in sweat when riding until fall, when it gets
 back into the 50's. So I think that means no breatheable stuff will matter
 in those conditions of summer.

 It was around 100 I think on Saturday when I got caught in a shower.
 But I didn't want to ride under my poncho because I was already boiling
 over, and the plastic would have made matters worse I think.

 I wonder what people did back in the day before all the technology for
 breatheable stuff we have now?

 I guess just got sweaty.

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[RBW] FS Riv 6spd Phil Freewheel set

[Robert Perks]

It is time to let these go.  I rolled these for a few years with my Roadeo
and then Rambler, They have years if not decades of service left in them,
but I need to work out some cash flow issues with the latest venture.

700c Mavic A119 rims with 36 holes front and rear laced to Phil Rivy
freewheel hubs By Rich at HOW with DT double butted spokes.  130mm rear
spacing.  Spokes are tight and wheels run true, bearings are smooth as
silk.  I will include the low milage 6spd Suntour freewheel that is
currently on there, 13/15/17/20/24/28 cogs.  The freewheel came off of a
garage queen Sequoia that passed though, and there is a bit of grime but no
visible where on the cogs.

As far as I can tell from the Riv website a similar wheel set new would run
about $825.  I would like to get $550 shipped, if you really want them and
are on the west coast I might entertain reasonable offers

Thanks

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[RBW] Re: FS Riv 6spd Phil Freewheel set

[rperks]

Forgot the link to the pics
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/sets/7215763491509/

Rob

On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 3:34:23 PM UTC-7, rperks wrote:
>
> It is time to let these go.  I rolled these for a few years with my Roadeo 
> and then Rambler, They have years if not decades of service left in them, 
> but I need to work out some cash flow issues with the latest venture.
>
> 700c Mavic A119 rims with 36 holes front and rear laced to Phil Rivy 
> freewheel hubs By Rich at HOW with DT double butted spokes.  130mm rear 
> spacing.  Spokes are tight and wheels run true, bearings are smooth as 
> silk.  I will include the low milage 6spd Suntour freewheel that is 
> currently on there, 13/15/17/20/24/28 cogs.  The freewheel came off of a 
> garage queen Sequoia that passed though, and there is a bit of grime but no 
> visible where on the cogs.
>
> As far as I can tell from the Riv website a similar wheel set new would 
> run about $825.  I would like to get $550 shipped, if you really want them 
> and are on the west coast I might entertain reasonable offers
>
> Thanks
>
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[RBW] Gofast!!!

[Patrick Moore]

Rode South from my mother's house to home this afternoon, on the Ram, the
freewheel taking advantage of the ~400 foot descent. Just shy of 17 mph
average clock running. 70" gear all the way. SE 3/4 sidewind; 5 miles of
the 11 in the hooks. On t'way back, rode the '99 Joe gofast fixed gear,
same SE sidewind, 400 foot climb, 3/4 of which on one 4/10 mile hike up the
side of the mesa. Just shy of 15 mph clock running.

The Ram has very nice, plump 30 mm Parigi Roubaix, tho' not the original
hand glued ones; the gofast has supple but too skinny 22 mm Michelin Pro
Race 3s.

As much as I like the Ram, the gofast just "feels" bester and fatter -- I
mean, better and faster. Usually on a fixed at 65" to 70" I bail for the
last 2/10 mile on the steep climb, for the steepest section, but I
consistently make it all the way up on the gofast despite the higher gear
(I climb it in a 50" on the Ram).

Somehow, the '99 has hit all the magic numbers: setback, tilt,  height, bar
height, reach, lever angle, bar angle. The '03 errand Curt that largely
mimics the '99 is very close but not exact; I tilted the bar upward a wee
bit yesterday and now it is almost spot on.

The Ram, I think, needs the bar to come up 1/4" or so: right now it is
about 1/2" higher than those of the two customs, but with a 9 cm stem
instead of 8s, about 1/2" further forward (saddle much the same). I did
raise the brake levers about 1/2", so I'll try that before fiddling with
bar height. Noodles (Ram, more drop, 90/140 versus Maes copies' 115/125;
Noodle 42 at hoods versus 37 or so for the Maes copies.)

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[RBW] Bending a Silver Hupe

[Michael]

Just got one from a kind RBWOB member.
My Sam seatstays are too fat for the hooks of the hupe.
 
Anyone ever bent their hupe hooks out so a fatter stay will fit?
Any way to do this without trashing the rubber shielding on the hupe?

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[RBW] Re: Gofast!!!

[Michael]

>
> Wow! That is impressive!
>
 
I don't think I could last even 5 minutes in the hooks of any bike I have 
ever ridden. 

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[RBW] Re: Does your upstroke knee break the plane of your Alba bar ends?

[Tom Virgil]

If one ran a string from one of the Alba bar ends to the other, the closest 
approach of my knee would be slightly below and behind that string.  My 
knees are within strike range of the silver shifter when it is 45 degrees 
below the horizontal.  For reference, I ride a 52 cm Sam with an 11 cm 
Tallux stem.  The horizontal segment of the stem is about 1 inch above seat 
level.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/20853610@N05/8964729281/

On Sunday, July 14, 2013 10:43:20 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
>
> On the upstroke, does your knee break the plane of your Alba bar ends? 
> Like a line drawn from one bar end to another.
>  
> Just curious to see how roomy everyone's Alba set up is.
>  
> My knees break the plane. I feel I have plenty of room though and I 
> wouldn't want to get the bars any further away.
>  
> I have the bars high enough that they are above my legs, unless I do a 
> really slow circle turn, then the ends tend to run into my thighs. But no 
> biggie. I really like sitting upright and seeing the sky when I ride. 
> Pretty sights.
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[RBW] Haines to Skagway on the Yves Gomez

[Keely]

I recently rode my Yves Gomez (fully loaded) from Haines AK though Haines 
Junction YT, Whitehorse YT, and finishing in Skagway AK.  It was an 
incredible trip, and while perhaps not designed for fully loaded touring, 
my Yves Gomez handled the load really well.  No problems.  I love my bike.  

Here are a few pictures.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/organize/?start_tab=one_set72157634672375888

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gofast!!!

[Patrick Moore]

Not impressive unless your bar (heh, heh)  is very low -- I am, quite
seriously, 25% slower overall than I was at 40 (I am 58). (You should have
seen me when I was a young, spritely, 40-something). But I like, like LIKE
the hooks. I've chosen my bars and set them up so that the hooks are usable
and comfortable: Grand Bois Maes Parallels set about 1" below saddle; for
the Ram, Noodles a bit higher but further forward (tho' the bar sweeps
back, too). For me, the various bar positions are almost like multiple
gears on the fixed gear Rivs.

Basically, the flats are  for a "sit up and stretch" position; the ramps
for a comfortable cruise position; the hooks for more aggressive cruising;
and the hooks for our inevitable winds and for additional power. I'm old
now, but 5 miles in the hooks (a continuous 5 miles) is no big deal.

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Michael  wrote:

> Wow! That is impressive!
>>
>
> I don't think I could last even 5 minutes in the hooks of any bike I have
> ever ridden.
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Re: [RBW] Haines to Skagway on the Yves Gomez

[Joe Bunik]

you mean this link I presume:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/97826910@N06/sets/72157634672375888/
;-)

On 7/16/13, Keely  wrote:
> I recently rode my Yves Gomez (fully loaded) from Haines AK though Haines
> Junction YT, Whitehorse YT, and finishing in Skagway AK.  It was an
> incredible trip, and while perhaps not designed for fully loaded touring,
> my Yves Gomez handled the load really well.  No problems.  I love my bike.
>
>
> Here are a few pictures.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/organize/?start_tab=one_set72157634672375888
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gofast!!!

[Peter Morgano]

This is why I ditched drop bars a while ago. I thought of all the times I
actually rode in the hooks, about 10% and looked for a better riding
solution. Albas were the answer.


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Not impressive unless your bar (heh, heh)  is very low -- I am, quite
> seriously, 25% slower overall than I was at 40 (I am 58). (You should have
> seen me when I was a young, spritely, 40-something). But I like, like LIKE
> the hooks. I've chosen my bars and set them up so that the hooks are usable
> and comfortable: Grand Bois Maes Parallels set about 1" below saddle; for
> the Ram, Noodles a bit higher but further forward (tho' the bar sweeps
> back, too). For me, the various bar positions are almost like multiple
> gears on the fixed gear Rivs.
>
> Basically, the flats are  for a "sit up and stretch" position; the ramps
> for a comfortable cruise position; the hooks for more aggressive cruising;
> and the hooks for our inevitable winds and for additional power. I'm old
> now, but 5 miles in the hooks (a continuous 5 miles) is no big deal.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Michael  wrote:
>
>> Wow! That is impressive!
>>>
>>
>> I don't think I could last even 5 minutes in the hooks of any bike I have
>> ever ridden.
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[RBW] Re: STP 2013

[Tim Tetrault]

Andy did you ride with a guy named Frank by any chance? I think I recognize 
that Homer.

On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:53:39 PM UTC-7, Andy Williams wrote:
>
> STP weekend, and a fine one it was. We were the beneficiaries of warm 
> temps and tailwinds both days for about 204 miles.  I rode with 10,000 of 
> my closest friends, and heard relatively few discouraging words, despite an 
> abundance of pace lines and spandex.
>
> Fellow Rivendell riders I observed included a Rambouillet and a shiny new 
> Atlantis.  The trusty Bleriot performed well and received many nice 
> compliments.  
>
> Pictures prove it happened.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/awilliams53/sets/72157634624523917/
>
> Andy
>
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Re: [RBW] Haines to Skagway on the Yves Gomez

[Christopher Chen]

THIS. THIS IS AWESOME. Thanks for sharing. This is really inspiring.


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Joe Bunik  wrote:

> you mean this link I presume:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/97826910@N06/sets/72157634672375888/
> ;-)
>
> On 7/16/13, Keely  wrote:
> > I recently rode my Yves Gomez (fully loaded) from Haines AK though Haines
> > Junction YT, Whitehorse YT, and finishing in Skagway AK.  It was an
> > incredible trip, and while perhaps not designed for fully loaded touring,
> > my Yves Gomez handled the load really well.  No problems.  I love my
> bike.
> >
> >
> > Here are a few pictures.
> >
> >
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[RBW] WTT: Ritchey Logic Triple + Phil Wood BB for SRAM Force Compact double

[justinaugust]

Low-Q don't help me!
172.5 Ritchey Logic triple in used but healthy condition. Matching PW BB + cups 
and tool 

Want: 170 SRAM Force compact double with BB. Silver, preferably.  

We can discuss chainrings and pictures! :)

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Re: [RBW] Gofast!!!

[JL]

Patrick,

How much would you estimate the wheel size has to do with the speed and comfort 
between the two bikes as well? 

Jason
SF, CA

On Jul 16, 2013, at 3:44 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Rode South from my mother's house to home this afternoon, on the Ram, the 
> freewheel taking advantage of the ~400 foot descent. Just shy of 17 mph 
> average clock running. 70" gear all the way. SE 3/4 sidewind; 5 miles of the 
> 11 in the hooks. On t'way back, rode the '99 Joe gofast fixed gear, same SE 
> sidewind, 400 foot climb, 3/4 of which on one 4/10 mile hike up the side of 
> the mesa. Just shy of 15 mph clock running. 
> 
> The Ram has very nice, plump 30 mm Parigi Roubaix, tho' not the original hand 
> glued ones; the gofast has supple but too skinny 22 mm Michelin Pro Race 3s.
> 
> As much as I like the Ram, the gofast just "feels" bester and fatter -- I 
> mean, better and faster. Usually on a fixed at 65" to 70" I bail for the last 
> 2/10 mile on the steep climb, for the steepest section, but I consistently 
> make it all the way up on the gofast despite the higher gear (I climb it in a 
> 50" on the Ram). 
> 
> Somehow, the '99 has hit all the magic numbers: setback, tilt,  height, bar 
> height, reach, lever angle, bar angle. The '03 errand Curt that largely 
> mimics the '99 is very close but not exact; I tilted the bar upward a wee bit 
> yesterday and now it is almost spot on.
> 
> The Ram, I think, needs the bar to come up 1/4" or so: right now it is about 
> 1/2" higher than those of the two customs, but with a 9 cm stem instead of 
> 8s, about 1/2" further forward (saddle much the same). I did raise the brake 
> levers about 1/2", so I'll try that before fiddling with bar height. Noodles 
> (Ram, more drop, 90/140 versus Maes copies' 115/125; Noodle 42 at hoods 
> versus 37 or so for the Maes copies.)
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Re: [RBW] Gofast!!!

[Patrick Moore]

I used to think that small wheels were faster; I am no longer sure that
they are. But I am convinced that light wheels, whether big or small, are
faster up hills, helped by low weight overall.

What I notice with the light wheels of the gofast is how well the bike
climbs. What I notice with heavier and larger wheels, shod with good road
tires, and with fixed drivetrains, is how they seem to maintain speed
better.

Comfort: I suspect all kinds of things, but what I consistently
"experience" is that the custom Rivs seem unnaturally smooth for their
small and skinny tires. Sure, the 700C Parigi Roubaix at 60/70 are
smoother, and the 700CX62 mm Big Apples at sub 20 are smoother still; but
what I notice is that even the excessively skinny (and to be replaced, with
25s, when I have some spare $$) Pro Race 3s, at ~90, are surprisingly
smooth given how much thinner they are -- and I've wondered if the long --
~45 cm -- stays on the Rivs contribute to this.

I really don't know all of the factors that make for the "spriteliness" of
the gofast; I guess it's a combination of light weight, light wheels, good
tires, perfect setup, and then the geometry and setup that fit my pedaling
style -- I'm happy mashing and experience distress when I have to spin too
fast. Butt back on the saddle, pressure on the pedals, cadence at no more
than 90 rpm and very well lower, elbows bent, hands resting lightly on the
hoods -- that is the "ideal" pedaling situation for me.

Approaching the question of smoothness from the other direction: I have
consistently noticed that 29" X 60+ tires at sub 20 float over sand and
washboard type bumps better than 26" 60+ at the same pressure.

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 5:53 PM, JL  wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> How much would you estimate the wheel size has to do with the speed and
> comfort between the two bikes as well?
>
> Jason
> SF, CA
>
> On Jul 16, 2013, at 3:44 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> Rode South from my mother's house to home this afternoon, on the Ram, the
> freewheel taking advantage of the ~400 foot descent. Just shy of 17 mph
> average clock running. 70" gear all the way. SE 3/4 sidewind; 5 miles of
> the 11 in the hooks. On t'way back, rode the '99 Joe gofast fixed gear,
> same SE sidewind, 400 foot climb, 3/4 of which on one 4/10 mile hike up the
> side of the mesa. Just shy of 15 mph clock running.
>
> The Ram has very nice, plump 30 mm Parigi Roubaix, tho' not the original
> hand glued ones; the gofast has supple but too skinny 22 mm Michelin Pro
> Race 3s.
>
> As much as I like the Ram, the gofast just "feels" bester and fatter -- I
> mean, better and faster. Usually on a fixed at 65" to 70" I bail for the
> last 2/10 mile on the steep climb, for the steepest section, but I
> consistently make it all the way up on the gofast despite the higher gear
> (I climb it in a 50" on the Ram).
>
> Somehow, the '99 has hit all the magic numbers: setback, tilt,  height,
> bar height, reach, lever angle, bar angle. The '03 errand Curt that largely
> mimics the '99 is very close but not exact; I tilted the bar upward a wee
> bit yesterday and now it is almost spot on.
>
> The Ram, I think, needs the bar to come up 1/4" or so: right now it is
> about 1/2" higher than those of the two customs, but with a 9 cm stem
> instead of 8s, about 1/2" further forward (saddle much the same). I did
> raise the brake levers about 1/2", so I'll try that before fiddling with
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[RBW] Bending a Silver Hupe

[Peter Pesce]

Just buy some tool dip at the hardware store and re dip them. If the colors 
don't match all the better in the Riv world. And bend them extra wide so 
they'll fit over the 2 layers of helicopter tape plus two layers of bar tape 
you'll need to keep your seat stays intact! 

Pete (Hupe-in' it up) in CT

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[RBW] Re: Haines to Skagway on the Yves Gomez

[Deacon Patrick]

Fantastic! And great to hear. My wife want's a Betty (after we're done 
getting another Hilleberg tent and Scottish rainwear for the lot of us) and 
I've wondered how they fair with touring.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 3:14:30 PM UTC-6, Keely wrote:
>
> I recently rode my Yves Gomez (fully loaded) from Haines AK though Haines 
> Junction YT, Whitehorse YT, and finishing in Skagway AK.  It was an 
> incredible trip, and while perhaps not designed for fully loaded touring, 
> my Yves Gomez handled the load really well.  No problems.  I love my bike.  
>
> Here are a few pictures.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/organize/?start_tab=one_set72157634672375888
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bending a Silver Hupe

[Michael]

>
> I don't know why they didn't design them with about a half a cm longer 
> ends. Then they wouldn't scratch the stays as the ends would be beyond, and 
> not touching the stays.
>
 
Tool dip it may have to be. Thanks for the tip!! 

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[RBW] Re: Tightening the curve on fenders with arc too large for the wheels.

[Patrick Moore]

'Bout that front fender bulge, resultant of cramming a 700c fender onto a
559 frame: quick solution: I simply loosened the Sheldon nut and lowered
the tab about 5 mm; the fender still clears the tire adequately and this
sufficiently relieves the arc to the point where the bulge is aesthetically
inoffensive -- as it is with the rear fender.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto, Paul, Nigel Smythe, Swift, Gripking, Brand V, Bruce Gordon, Cateye, Tektro, etc.

[Mike On A Bike]

This will be my last update on this thread, and here's what remains, with 
reduced prices and shipping included:

*New Item: *Brand new Pletscher "rat trap" rack in black. Bought it and 
never ever used it, still in plastic. $30 shipped. 

2011 Tweed Big Loafer: Used regularly for about a year and has some 
beausage on the leather and scotchlite, but in pretty nice shape still. $90 
shipped.

 2012 Nitto R-14 Top Rack: Some minor scratches here and there, but in very 
good condition. Stays are in original uncut condition. $90 shipped. 

 Paul Flatbed Rack w/ stem clamp extension: Bought in 2012 and used for 
about 3 months. Has some scratches on front corners of tubing. Includes 
stem clamp extension kit, which fit my 64cm Sam Hillborne perfectly. $105 
shipped.

 Cateye Strada Wireless Cycling Computer: Brand new and in the box 2013 
model. $35 shipped.

 Nitto Wire Guard: Same one that RBW sells, for protecting your brake line 
from rubbing against a saddlebag. $20 shipped.

Thanks for your patronage and/or withstanding my solicitations! 


On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:45:08 PM UTC-4, Mike On A Bike wrote:
>
> My garage sale has been a roaring success so far, thanks to all my buyers! 
> Updated photo album here , and here’s what’s 
> left of the original posting, plus a few new items:
>
>  2011 Tweed Big Loafer: Used regularly for about a year and has some 
> beausage on the leather and scotchlite, but in pretty nice shape still. $90
>
>  2012 Nitto R-14 Top Rack: Some minor scratches here and there, but in 
> very good condition. Stays are in original uncut condition. $90
>
>  Paul Flatbed Rack w/ stem clamp extension: Bought in 2012 and used for 
> about 3 months. Has some scratches on front corners of tubing. Includes 
> stem clamp extension kit, which fit my 64cm Sam Hillborne perfectly. Price 
> reduced to $110.
>
>  Cateye Strada Wireless Cycling Computer: Brand new and in the box 2013 
> model. Now $40 shipped.
>
>  MKS Gripking Pedals: Used pairs *SOLD, new still available. $40 shipped 
> for the new pair.*
>
> * **New items*
>
>  Velo Orange ENE Dia-Compe Downtube Shifters: Used these for a little 
> while and just preferred Shimanos, but they work great. Ratcheting 
> mechanism similar to RBW’s silver shifters. Do not include bar end pods. 
> $35 shipped.
>
>  Chrome “Karsk” shoes in black, size 13: It might be a little weird to 
> sell used shoes, but I only wore these about three times and they don’t 
> smell like feet at all! They seem like they’re great for biking, just not 
> my style. Assuming the person who’d buy these already has some and wants a 
> second pair. $30 shipped.
>
>  Nitto Wire Guard: Same one that RBW sells in like-new condition, for 
> protecting your brake line from rubbing against a saddlebag. $22 shipped.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Sunday, July 14, 2013 9:26:48 PM UTC-4, Mike On A Bike wrote:
>>
>> Hey y'all, I'm having a long overdue garage sale for some of my underused 
>> equipage. The prices listed are simply what I think their worth, and I'm 
>> open to offers. Most of the items listed here have a picture or two in this 
>> photo album . I may add a few more things to 
>> this listing and I'll try to post pictures for everything. 
>>
>> All items will have an at-cost shipping fee added. Please contact me 
>> off-list if your're interested, thanks!
>>
>> 2011 Tweed Big Loafer: Used regularly for about a year and has some 
>> beausage on the leather and scotchlite, but in pretty nice shape still. $90
>>
>> 2011 Tweed Keven's Bag: Same deal, beausage on the leather and overall in 
>> good used condition. $70
>>
>> Late 2012 Swift Industries "Little Dear" w/ tweed flap: Nice smallish 
>> saddle bag, with waxed cotton fabric and recycled tweed flap. Vinyl lining 
>> and very waterproof, capacity is about 400 cubic inches, I think. Only 
>> flaws are staining on the bottom from rubbing against my rack, and some 
>> stains inside. $45
>>
>> 2010 Tan Canvas Big Loafer: In pretty good shape, though it has a small 
>> hole on one side, and only one of the zippers works (but it works 
>> perfectly). $30
>>
>> Brand V Handlebar Bag: Only briefly used, with only issue being a stain 
>> and two small holes on underside from rubbing a rack. Zippers work great. 
>> $25
>>
>> 2012 Nitto R-14 Top Rack: Some minor scratches here and there, but in 
>> very good condition. Stays are in original uncut condition. $90
>>
>> Paul Flatbed Rack w/ stem clamp extension: Bought in 2012 and used for 
>> about 3 months. Has some scratches on front corners of tubing. Includes 
>> stem clamp extension kit, which fit my 64cm Sam Hillborne perfectly. $120
>>
>> Cateye Strada Wireless Cycling Computer: Brand new and in the box 2013 
>> model. $40
>>
>> Bruce Gordon "Bullet" LED Taillight in black: Bought in 2012 and never 
>> even used it it! Mounts into an eyelet and has steady and flash modes 
>> operated by pressing LED. $30
>>
>> MKS Gripking Pedals: One

[RBW] Re: Haines to Skagway on the Yves Gomez

[hsmitham]

Keely,

Most excellent tour. Now I have another on my tour wish list. Back in 1990 
I voyaged up the inside passage on the Columbia sleeping on the solarium 
deck. I stopped off in Ketchican, Petersberg, Sitka, Juneau and finally 
Skagway. I then journeyed over White Pass up to Whitehorse then Dawson and 
over to Anchorage AK it has never left my consciousness . I have been 
dreaming of getting back one of these days! Thanks for sharing.

The Yves Gomez looks good loaded.

Best,

~Hugh

On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 2:14:30 PM UTC-7, Keely wrote:
>
> I recently rode my Yves Gomez (fully loaded) from Haines AK though Haines 
> Junction YT, Whitehorse YT, and finishing in Skagway AK.  It was an 
> incredible trip, and while perhaps not designed for fully loaded touring, 
> my Yves Gomez handled the load really well.  No problems.  I love my bike.  
>
> Here are a few pictures.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/organize/?start_tab=one_set72157634672375888
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Stainless steel versus grey-coat Tubus Fly?

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

I've not used my Fly for saddlebag support, only panniers. Visually 
inspecting, the Fly has a fairly narrow platform, especially towards the 
front so I don't think the designers had saddlebag support in mind when 
they conceived the Fly.


On Monday, July 15, 2013 8:00:09 PM UTC-7, Evan Spacht wrote:
>
> I have been contemplating this same combo: medium sackville , tubus fly.
> Is this rack not an adequate bag support? I'm using a Top Rack and was 
> thinking about selling it for a Fly.
>
> -Evan
>
> On Monday, July 15, 2013 4:57:19 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I ordered what was supposed to be a stainless steel Fly from ProBikeKit 
>> in Britain -- $83 and change express shipped from Britain (arrived today 
>> after 7 days). It looks to me like a grey powdercoat, not stainless steel.
>>  
>> No big worries, since, looks apart, I actually prefer the chromo model 
>> because it is both lighter and stronger, but nonetheless, a question: does 
>> Tubus make a "silver' powdercoat Fly model?
>>
>> I'd rather have the grey than black, at any rate. It's for the '03 Curt 
>> Riv Custom Errand bike, to replace with panniers the very nice, but not 
>> quite large enough or easy enough to use Sackville Medium.
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[RBW] Re: Portland Bound

[Shawn Granton]

I'm down. Velo Cult seems to be a natural for those who want to be around 
bikes and drink beer (if they drink beer.)

-Shawn
(who drinks beer)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Portland Bound

[Eric Norris]

A bike shop with beer *and* a Rene Herse hanging from the rafters. Velo Cult is 
what Heaven must be like.

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On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:34 PM, Shawn Granton  
wrote:

> I'm down. Velo Cult seems to be a natural for those who want to be around 
> bikes and drink beer (if they drink beer.)
> 
> -Shawn
> (who drinks beer)
> 
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[RBW] Century ride training for the un-racer?

[Michael]

Was wondering what you all recommend for training for a century since I am 
not racing, just wanna finish the century. Its flat. No hills, but 
headwinds to battle towards the last half. I will probably ride the 
Bleriot/Hetres if my new set up works out on it.
 
Do you get by on centuries with little to no training - just your commutes 
and such?
 
I am under the impression that those training cards you get at the LBS are 
overkill and geared mostly to people racing or looking to do their personal 
best.
 
Or am I sorely mistaken?
 
 
 
 

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[RBW] Re: Century ride training for the un-racer?

[Manuel Acosta]

Meh,
General rule for anything in life is that it depends.
I generally wing the training. BUT only because I used to do a 40 miles 
commute 2 or 3 times a week. 
Apparently that counts as training for some folks. I just call it getting 
to work with no car. 

But I do believe that there should be a general progression in things you 
do. Don't jump on a century ride when all you do is 10 mile commutes. Thats 
a incredible shock to your body. Give you body time o adapt to thing and 
your body will do the rest,
All in all have fun do it!


On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 10:39:15 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
>
> Was wondering what you all recommend for training for a century since I am 
> not racing, just wanna finish the century. Its flat. No hills, but 
> headwinds to battle towards the last half. I will probably ride the 
> Bleriot/Hetres if my new set up works out on it.
>  
> Do you get by on centuries with little to no training - just your commutes 
> and such?
>  
> I am under the impression that those training cards you get at the LBS are 
> overkill and geared mostly to people racing or looking to do their personal 
> best.
>  
> Or am I sorely mistaken?
>  
>  
>  
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Century ride training for the un-racer?

[IanA]

I think it's just breaking the distance barrier placed in the mind. A flat 
century is not the same as a hilly century, but if you can do a flat 
century you can do a hilly century, just in a bit more time.  My experience 
when distance riding was in kilometers.  I didn't have a bike computer for 
city riding, but realized I sometimes rode 50km in a day and very often 
30km plus.  My first "long" ride was 65km and I was surprised that it was 
relatively easy (because of the commuting miles).  Next came 75km, then a 
week later 100km.  To go to 140km then 160km was fairly straightforward. 
 Then I discovered randonneuring and was introduced to 200km.  After that, 
I regularly rode 200km on my days off (maybe two or three times a month). 
 So, there was a build-up of distance over some weeks/months..

Then I took off bicycle touring and on my way down the west coast I put in 
a 197km day fully-loaded - the bike weighed 90lb +.  There were tailwinds 
and not much climbing, so it was not hard. 

But, it's all about time in the saddle, conditioning and breaking the 
mind-barrier.  Unloaded I tended to average 20km/h incl breaks (23km/h 
rolling average).  Loaded it was closer to 17km/h rolling avg over similar 
terrain.  Therefore, if you give yourself enough time and are not racing 
anything, any distance is manageable.

I once rode 413 km as part of a Fleche team, but I hadn't planned my 
nutrition because I was unfamiliar with that type of distance, and perhaps 
fatigue got to me, but I bonked hard for a while and it was my very strong 
team-mates who pulled me through.

Now it's been a couple of years since I did a big ride and I will have to 
start at 50km again and work back up to longer distances.  Depending on 
one's fitness level, it could take a few months and that's at least what I 
would need now.

In short then, I'd recommend that you work up to at least 75% of the 
century over similar terrain at least three weeks before you ride it.  Then 
stay fit, but don't knacker yourself up to the date of the century and in 
the week before the event, just stretch and stay limber, but let the body 
be fully recovered. The team/community spirit will bring you through the 
remaining 25% of the distance and you will be well prepared.

Ian A
Edmonton AB Canada

On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 11:39:15 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:
>
> Was wondering what you all recommend for training for a century since I am 
> not racing, just wanna finish the century. Its flat. No hills, but 
> headwinds to battle towards the last half. I will probably ride the 
> Bleriot/Hetres if my new set up works out on it.
>  
> Do you get by on centuries with little to no training - just your commutes 
> and such?
>  
> I am under the impression that those training cards you get at the LBS are 
> overkill and geared mostly to people racing or looking to do their personal 
> best.
>  
> Or am I sorely mistaken?
>  
>  
>  
>  
>

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[RBW] Solo Rides and Pedicab PhotoShoot.

[Manuel Acosta]

Something I haven't done in a while was to just jump on my bike with my 
camera, look up a general place and just ride.

I was told that I have a tendency of "*underestimating* the gruel factor"; 
while that is true I like to think that I simply just forget a lot about 
the ride.

One thing about pictures is that you get to capture all those feelings of 
the ride with just a couple of shots. It's amazing looking back at old 
photos and instantly remembering how you were feeling or what you were 
thinking at that particular moment. 

Glad I get to capture these great moments and even happier I get to share 
it with ya'll.

Pictures Proved that when you have no one else to shoot you shoot yourself.

http://flic.kr/s/aHsjGUff1y


-Manny "Good day to bring the camera out" Acosta

P.S. Did my first paid Photoshoot. Pictures turned out okay. Let me know 
what ya'll think.


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