[RBW] Re: Few quick pics of the new AHH

[NWAJack]

On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 7:51:51 AM UTC-6, NWAJack wrote:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/93846530@N08/

Yeah- haven't touched the weight machine in a while :).  I put my acorn bag on 
this morning and will get out Saturday to try my best to start getting it 
dirty.  I name my bikes and I think the Ahh will be known as Jenny - a 
road/trail warrier! 

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[RBW] Re: OT Anyone have experience with this trailer?

[Deacon Patrick]

I completely understand using a trailer for errands and local cargo 
hauling. However, if you're considering it for a tour, I'd invite you to 
play with the idea of packing lighter. The trailer weights 20 pounds empty. 
I was set for a 3 week trip, completely self contained and my gear and food 
weighed 35 pounds. Granted not everyone wants to eat a pound of pemmican a 
day for 21 days, but there you are. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 11:59:22 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hey Riv folk was wondering if anyone has used one of these YAK trailers? 
> If yes how does it handle? . And I'm really not ready to throw down and buy 
> this one just yet so the early bird gets the worm. Just curious. Thanks in 
> advance.
>
> Hugh
> Sunland, CA
>

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[RBW] Does anyone have any experience with the Public bikes basket on a Nitto M-12 front rack?

[clayton]

http://publicbikes.com/p/PUBLIC-Rear-Basket

This looks like a very handy basket. I am just wondering if it would work 
on an M-12? I wrote the company and so far no response.
Does anyone have one? Thoughts? Opinions?

Thanks in Advance,
Clay

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[RBW] Sping Sale: TA Carmina, Grand Bois Hetres, Panaracer Pasela, Schwalbe, Nitto,SKS, Sugino etc.

[hobie]

For sale. All items include shipping.
 
Specialites TA Carmina crankset 172.5 w. both 130bcd road and compact 94bcd 
spyders both silver. The rings are 50/34 silver rings 94bcd and 52/42 black 
rings 130bcd.Comes w. Phil Wood BB 103mm, just the BB no rings. Crank alone 
is big $. Overall in excellent condition. Top quality crankset. $435.00
 
2- used Grand Bois 650b Hetres red color w. 2 like new Schwalbe 650 tubes 
alittle dirty but alot of life left.  the best 650b tires $85.00
 
2- Brand new Panaracer Pasela folding bead tires 700x35 $60.00
 
2- Brand new Schwalbe Marathon Racer folding bead tires. 700x35  $95.00
 
Nitto cockpit w. Nitto Technomic deluxe stem 11cm, Nitto Noodle 48cm 
handlebars, Shimano Tiagra aero brake levers logos removed w.acetone, Velo 
plugs black, brown cloth tape shellaced 4 times to a deep brown, black 
brake cable housing. This setup came off a 58cm Saluki.  $115.00
 
Nitto Crystal fellow seatpost 27.2  Plenty insertion marks especially the 
rear, though almost a fistful of clean post, logo intact. $38.00
 
Phil Wood Disc cassette hub 130mm spacing 32 hole. You can have it 
re-spaced to 135mm from Phil for about $40.00 Excellent condition. What a 
hub!  Bombproof. $185.00
 
Sugino AP110 triple crankset w. 48/38/28 rings and extra 110/34 ring for a 
compact double. I used the double configuration w. a Phil 113 BB and 
it worked great. $45.00
 
MKS Urban Pedals almost new $35.00
 
Tektro R556 xtra longreach brakes. Older style w. grey metal release and 
gull wing brake shoe holders. Pads almost need to be replaced. $30.00
 
Silver Shifters downtube w.2 brand new Jagwire Hyper cables w. packaging. 
$35.00
 
Vintage Suntour Cyclone MII rear derailler and Vintage Suntour Lepree front 
clamp on 28.6 derailler. Excellent condition Both for $50.00
 
Vintage Shimano 600 front derailler very good condition $20.00
 
2 waterbottle cages similar design to KING cages although more of a 
titanium finish in color. $13.00
 
2 pairs of SKS fenders silver P45 and P50 stays cut to fit a 58cm Saluki 
both pairs for $45.00 

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[RBW] Re: Sping Sale: TA Carmina, Grand Bois Hetres, Panaracer Pasela, Schwalbe, Nitto,SKS, Sugino etc.

[Tom Goodmann]

I'd love to have the Nitto cockpit; thanks.

Tom


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[RBW] Re: Plastic Fenders and Hetres

[Michael]

>
> I have SKS P45 Longboards with Hetres on my Bleriot with Paul centerpull 
> brakes with plenty of clearance.
>

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[RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking

[bwphoto]

Savvas- What a great chronicle of amazing innovation and creativity. It's 
to bad it takes so long for great innovations to catch on. Someone needs to 
do a documentary on these guys and the revolution they started.

Thanks for posting and keeping the ideas alive.

On Saturday, March 2, 2013 7:07:36 PM UTC-6, Savvas wrote:
>
> Andy,
>
> Nice blog article and nice thread. If this family cycling business is a 
> possibke direction for Riv then I don't think the thread is OT. Here's a 
> link to a flikr set I have been accumulating of 'family cycling' far away 
> and long ago (for some anyway): 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/48163544@N02/8362805783/in/set-72157632477907968
>
> May be of some interest and perhaps inspiration...
>
> Looking back at these bikes they are rather 'Riv-ish' in their organic, 
> make-do approach! And the people depicted were living car-free back in the 
> '70s and '80s!
>
> Savvas
>
> On Saturday, March 2, 2013 2:49:27 AM UTC+10:30, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:
>>
>> This is somewhat OT but the pics are full of stuff from Riv... Aussie 
>> Wool, Bosco Bars, Betty Foy, Cork Grips, and more. I wrote a guest post on 
>> a friends blog about family biking and going car-free. Thought it might be 
>> of interest to some folks on here. 
>>
>> Becoming A Biking 
>> Family
>>
>> --Smitty
>>
>

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[RBW] V-Brakes and wide 700c tires w/fenders

[Salween]

Any experience out there with V-brakes, fenders and tires in 700c x 50mm 
range? One 50mm Big Ben reviewer was 
having success, but was not running fenders. Anyone else? Wondering 
what the max 700c tire-fender combo might be, and maybe the brake to go 
with it, as this Co-Motion Java frame we're working to order will not 
accommodate canti cabeling in the rear--not enough space given its more 
horizontal seatstay angles. Thanks, Owen

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Re: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?

[Fai Mao]

I just purchased a Soma San Marcos. Waiting for some of the parts to arrive.

I like the Sam to commute on but I do find it a bit sluggish, I would not 
call it stiff. I am hoping the San Marcos is a bit more lively feeling.


On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 1:48:50 PM UTC+10, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> 650B 56 single TT has gotta be the perfect bike!
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Davidbea  >wrote:
>
>> I’ve also spent many hundreds of dollars (at least) on Bridgestones, 
>> Univegas, Miyatas and hybrid Bianchis not buying a Rivendell. I’ve been 
>> *almost 
>> *satisfied but still wanted the real thing.
>>
>> I finally decided to take the plunge and am picking up a new 56cm 650B H. 
>> Homer Hilsen frame set. It’s one of the last single tube Toyo’s. Looking to 
>> put this together within as tight a budget as reasonably possible but am 
>> certainly excited about spring’s imminent arrival here with a new bike.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Friday, March 1, 2013 3:14:16 AM UTC-5, Tonester wrote:
>>>
>>> I was fortunate enough to get an Atlantis as a gift, but I can tell you 
>>> I spent hundreds (thousands, perhaps) of dollars NOT buying a Rivendell. 
>>>  Treks, Miyatas, blah blah blah.  I did the same with my Aerostich 
>>> motorcycle suit - instead of just biting the bullet and spending the $700+ 
>>> I bought countless replicas and half measures, only to finally just give up 
>>> and eat ramen for a couple of months and buying the real deal - which is 
>>> still with me ten years later.  All the other stuff is long gone.  
>>>
>>> If a Riv is what you want, no other scratch will cure that itch.  Do it!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 28, 2013 6:36:55 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote:

 Gernot's got the right idea.  Instead of us trying to figure out how 
 Rivendell can give us "low priced lugged bikes", we need to figure out how 
 to organize our resources, expenses & priorities to afford a Rivendell.  I 
 really truly believe Grant & Co are doing the best they can to deliver a 
 quality, uncompromised product at a fair price.  Somehow people justify 
 cars costing 10X a Rivendell ("it's only monthly payments").  The bike 
 will 
 be a pleasure to own long after the car is on the scrap heap.  

 When I bought my Atlantis 10 years ago, it cost 3X what I'd paid for 
 the most expensive bike I'd bought to date.  However, I told myself I 
 could 
 screw around with compromises for the rest of my life or just get what I 
 wanted & enjoy it for decades.  We're about to start our second decade 
 together.  

 Where there's sufficient will, there is a way.  I think Rivendell has 
 done their part.  

 dougP

 On Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:08:04 AM UTC-8, Earl Grey wrote:
>
> Here is how to get a budget Riv now (other than waiting for a used 
> deal, which could also take a while):
>
> Get yourself a zero % interest credit card. Get a Sam or Betty now 
> before the price goes up (get the unpainted head tube if still available 
> in 
> your size). Set up automatic payments so that you pay off the frame 
> before 
> the interest kicks in. Find a bargain older bike on Craig's List that has 
> a 
> suitable selection of parts. Move the parts over (650B wheels will be a 
> problem, though). Scrounge for the rest (long reach brakes and wheels) 
> here 
> on the RBW list and the iBob list. 
>
> The $400 you could save in a budget frame is a pittance even on a 
> budget if spread out over a year. Commit to cooking for your family 
> instead 
> of going out to eat, do without cable, stop drinking beer and wine for a 
> year, or juice (it's not that healthy, anyway), whatever. Or ride your 
> new 
> bike everywhere if you are now driving a car. Sell the car, buy a trailer 
> for the kids, or a front mounted and rear mounted child seat. There are 
> ways to save $40 a month if you are working and living in the US. I 
> waited 
> for years before buying a Riv because they seemed so extravagant. Buying 
> the original Sam at $1000 in 2009 felt like a super-splurge bordering on 
> the irresponsible, but I bit the bullet because it was half of the other 
> Rivs. I wish I hadn't waited so long.
>
> Hope I don't sound preachy, and perhaps your finances are more dire 
> than mine are/were (maxed out credit cards?), but most employed folk in 
> the 
> US can afford a Sam, especially if it can replace car trips some of the 
> time. It's mostly a matter of priorities, and perhaps overcoming fear. 
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gernot
>
> PS: Moving to a cheaper country doesn't hurt. :)
>
> GH in Thailand without a car with a 2.5 year old and an 8 month old, 
> wife's student loans finally paid off a year ago. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:36:21 AM UTC+7, murphyjrfk w

[RBW] Re: OT Anyone have experience with this trailer?

[Kai Vierstra]

farther off topic- this trailer's ideal for heavy touring with relatively 
light loads but if you're looking for errands/local cargo hauling there's 
nothing better than the Surly trailers.  I used mine to clear the rubble 
from a gutting of our house last summer, and groceries every week (lots of 
groceries)
-Kai



On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 6:51:16 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I completely understand using a trailer for errands and local cargo 
> hauling. However, if you're considering it for a tour, I'd invite you to 
> play with the idea of packing lighter. The trailer weights 20 pounds empty. 
> I was set for a 3 week trip, completely self contained and my gear and food 
> weighed 35 pounds. Granted not everyone wants to eat a pound of pemmican a 
> day for 21 days, but there you are. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 11:59:22 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Hey Riv folk was wondering if anyone has used one of these YAK trailers? 
>> If yes how does it handle? . And I'm really not ready to throw down and buy 
>> this one just yet so the early bird gets the worm. Just curious. Thanks in 
>> advance.
>>
>> Hugh
>> Sunland, CA
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?

[David Hays]

Thanks. That's what I thought.
I couldn't resist.
David


On Mar 5, 2013, at 10:48 PM, cyclotourist wrote:

> 650B 56 single TT has gotta be the perfect bike!
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Davidbea  wrote:
> I’ve also spent many hundreds of dollars (at least) on Bridgestones, 
> Univegas, Miyatas and hybrid Bianchis not buying a Rivendell. I’ve been 
> almost satisfied but still wanted the real thing.
> I finally decided to take the plunge and am picking up a new 56cm 650B H. 
> Homer Hilsen frame set. It’s one of the last single tube Toyo’s. Looking to 
> put this together within as tight a budget as reasonably possible but am 
> certainly excited about spring’s imminent arrival here with a new bike.
> David
> 
> On Friday, March 1, 2013 3:14:16 AM UTC-5, Tonester wrote:
> I was fortunate enough to get an Atlantis as a gift, but I can tell you I 
> spent hundreds (thousands, perhaps) of dollars NOT buying a Rivendell.  
> Treks, Miyatas, blah blah blah.  I did the same with my Aerostich motorcycle 
> suit - instead of just biting the bullet and spending the $700+ I bought 
> countless replicas and half measures, only to finally just give up and eat 
> ramen for a couple of months and buying the real deal - which is still with 
> me ten years later.  All the other stuff is long gone.  
> 
> If a Riv is what you want, no other scratch will cure that itch.  Do it!
> 
> On Thursday, February 28, 2013 6:36:55 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
> Gernot's got the right idea.  Instead of us trying to figure out how 
> Rivendell can give us "low priced lugged bikes", we need to figure out how to 
> organize our resources, expenses & priorities to afford a Rivendell.  I 
> really truly believe Grant & Co are doing the best they can to deliver a 
> quality, uncompromised product at a fair price.  Somehow people justify cars 
> costing 10X a Rivendell ("it's only monthly payments").  The bike will be a 
> pleasure to own long after the car is on the scrap heap.  
> 
> When I bought my Atlantis 10 years ago, it cost 3X what I'd paid for the most 
> expensive bike I'd bought to date.  However, I told myself I could screw 
> around with compromises for the rest of my life or just get what I wanted & 
> enjoy it for decades.  We're about to start our second decade together.  
> 
> Where there's sufficient will, there is a way.  I think Rivendell has done 
> their part.  
> 
> dougP
> 
> On Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:08:04 AM UTC-8, Earl Grey wrote:
> Here is how to get a budget Riv now (other than waiting for a used deal, 
> which could also take a while):
> 
> Get yourself a zero % interest credit card. Get a Sam or Betty now before the 
> price goes up (get the unpainted head tube if still available in your size). 
> Set up automatic payments so that you pay off the frame before the interest 
> kicks in. Find a bargain older bike on Craig's List that has a suitable 
> selection of parts. Move the parts over (650B wheels will be a problem, 
> though). Scrounge for the rest (long reach brakes and wheels) here on the RBW 
> list and the iBob list. 
> 
> The $400 you could save in a budget frame is a pittance even on a budget if 
> spread out over a year. Commit to cooking for your family instead of going 
> out to eat, do without cable, stop drinking beer and wine for a year, or 
> juice (it's not that healthy, anyway), whatever. Or ride your new bike 
> everywhere if you are now driving a car. Sell the car, buy a trailer for the 
> kids, or a front mounted and rear mounted child seat. There are ways to save 
> $40 a month if you are working and living in the US. I waited for years 
> before buying a Riv because they seemed so extravagant. Buying the original 
> Sam at $1000 in 2009 felt like a super-splurge bordering on the 
> irresponsible, but I bit the bullet because it was half of the other Rivs. I 
> wish I hadn't waited so long.
> 
> Hope I don't sound preachy, and perhaps your finances are more dire than mine 
> are/were (maxed out credit cards?), but most employed folk in the US can 
> afford a Sam, especially if it can replace car trips some of the time. It's 
> mostly a matter of priorities, and perhaps overcoming fear. 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Gernot
> 
> PS: Moving to a cheaper country doesn't hurt. :)
> 
> GH in Thailand without a car with a 2.5 year old and an 8 month old, wife's 
> student loans finally paid off a year ago. 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:36:21 AM UTC+7, murphyjrfk wrote:
> I love all the answers. And the what not.  But I suppose I forgot to mention 
> I don't care if the bike they come out with didn't have lugs was a mixte with 
> gray primer as pain t and not a single decal.  I'm not tall so generally ride 
> a 52 give or take and the thing that drives me crazy is you can't buy a 
> smaller bike with a shallow seat tube.  Even the lht-which I have and like 
> well enough-has a 74 degree seat tube.  And man I love shallow seat tubes. My 
> wife and I have mountains o' student loans

[RBW] Re: ISO 16 9 or 10 speed Shimano cassette cog spacers

[ctifusion]

This ebay seller machines small parts (good quality, inexpensive, fast 
shipping). I bet he could make what you needed.

Brynnar
Indy

On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 2:50:01 PM UTC-5, bertin753 wrote:
>
> I probably asked onlist before, but I've not found any, so here goes 
> again. This to roll my own 9 speed cassettes for both Fargo wheelsets, 
> the Big Apple one and the Kojak one. 
>
> Also, I could use 2 Shimano lockrings with the deeper threading. 
>
> Trades preferred tho' I have a small bit of cash. 
>
> Please reply offlist. 
>
> Many thanks. 
>
> -- 
>
> - 
> Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA 
> For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW 
> http://resumespecialties.com/index.html 
> - 
>

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[RBW] Re: OT Anyone have experience with this trailer?

[Montclair BobbyB]

I've seen the BOB used many times on trails (for trail maintenance), 
hauling tools, chainsaws and gas cans.. some heavy-duty gear for sure, and 
it works great!!   It's best suited for offroad navigation where you don't 
want 2 wheels tracking over uneven terrain, possibly causing the trailer to 
capsize. If this is your intended use, the BOB is tough to beat. But it is 
pricey and it is heavy. I don't need all that in a trailer, so I converted 
a used Schwinn kiddie trailer into a cargo trailer... I removed the seats, 
added a thin plywood floor with lightweight aluminum angle bracing 
underneath.  It's lightweight, sturdy (will hold 100 lbs), it's 
weatherproof, the wheels are easily removable and it folds for storage.  If 
I were hauling bigger heavier loads, I'd definitely consider the Surly or 
the BOB.  The Surly is one serious trailer, and looks like it could haul a 
refrigerator, but because it's a 2-wheeler, I doubt it can go where the BOB 
can go.

Bike trailers are definitely evolving. 

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:38:20 AM UTC-5, Kai Vierstra wrote:
>
> farther off topic- this trailer's ideal for heavy touring with relatively 
> light loads but if you're looking for errands/local cargo hauling there's 
> nothing better than the Surly trailers.  I used mine to clear the rubble 
> from a gutting of our house last summer, and groceries every week (lots of 
> groceries)
> -Kai
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 6:51:16 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> I completely understand using a trailer for errands and local cargo 
>> hauling. However, if you're considering it for a tour, I'd invite you to 
>> play with the idea of packing lighter. The trailer weights 20 pounds empty. 
>> I was set for a 3 week trip, completely self contained and my gear and food 
>> weighed 35 pounds. Granted not everyone wants to eat a pound of pemmican a 
>> day for 21 days, but there you are. Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 11:59:22 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Riv folk was wondering if anyone has used one of these YAK trailers? 
>>> If yes how does it handle? . And I'm really not ready to throw down and buy 
>>> this one just yet so the early bird gets the worm. Just curious. Thanks in 
>>> advance.
>>>
>>> Hugh
>>> Sunland, CA
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] V-Brakes and wide 700c tires w/fenders

[Jim Mather]

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Salween <
owen%livingrivers@gtempaccount.com> wrote:

> Any experience out there with V-brakes, fenders and tires in 700c x 50mm
> range?
>

I've been using the Conti Tour Ride 650x54 with fenders and Deore V-Brakes.
A little tight getting the wheel in & out, but I don't have to let air out,
which seems successful to me.

jim m
wc ca

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[RBW] Re: OT Anyone have experience with this trailer?

[Will]

I have one. Like it a lot. Great for camping. You can ride single track 
with it. I was told the Forest Service uses them to haul stuff around on 
back country trails. 

Your bike should have a reasonably stout rear triangle however. The trailer 
works well with my trail bike and with my mixte (those extra stays are 
great). It does not work well with my old Trek 610 road bike. The Trek 
wobbles if the load is over about 25-30 pounds.  



On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 12:59:22 AM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hey Riv folk was wondering if anyone has used one of these YAK trailers? 
> If yes how does it handle? . And I'm really not ready to throw down and buy 
> this one just yet so the early bird gets the worm. Just curious. Thanks in 
> advance.
>
> Hugh
> Sunland, CA
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[RBW] Re: Does anyone have any experience with the Public bikes basket on a Nitto M-12 front rack?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Sorry, for $60 I think Public has missed the boat with this (big time)... 
here's why:

First, Riv sells Wald baskets for $20...no brainer...
OK, the Public is removable, and it has a handle, but who wants to haul 
around the actual basket?? It's way too klunky and unstable, especially 
with a heavy bottle of wine.  For me, a bag (or bags) of my choice will 
always be preferable, AND it will further protect my stuff when I place it 
in the basket (that is BTW zip-tied to my rack).  No... my basket stays 
put, and I use whatever bag I happen to have with me.  With the $40 I save, 
I could add baskets to a few more bikes, or get myself a pretty snappy 
bag... :)

Peace,
BB

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:07:23 AM UTC-5, clayton wrote:
>
> http://publicbikes.com/p/PUBLIC-Rear-Basket
>
> This looks like a very handy basket. I am just wondering if it would work 
> on an M-12? I wrote the company and so far no response.
> Does anyone have one? Thoughts? Opinions?
>
> Thanks in Advance,
> Clay
>

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[RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking

[Montclair BobbyB]

GREAT STUFF, Smitty.  I love your 3-seater cargo bike, but perhaps even 
cooler, your wife using her Betty Foy as a 'mini' cargo bike.
I almost (but not quite) wish my kids were that age again... I'll have to 
work on the 'next' generation...

Peace,
BB

On Friday, March 1, 2013 11:19:27 AM UTC-5, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:
>
> This is somewhat OT but the pics are full of stuff from Riv... Aussie 
> Wool, Bosco Bars, Betty Foy, Cork Grips, and more. I wrote a guest post on 
> a friends blog about family biking and going car-free. Thought it might be 
> of interest to some folks on here. 
>
> Becoming A Biking 
> Family
>
> --Smitty
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[RBW] Re: V-Brakes and wide 700c tires w/fenders

[Peter Pesce]

I think it's entirely frame dependent. 

I ran 55mm Big Apples (in 26'" though) with big fat Planet Bike fenders and 
the standard Deore V-brakes that Riv sells (sold?) on my LHT with no 
problem. But I doubt they'd fit on my Quickbeam...

-Pete in CT

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 7:11:52 AM UTC-5, Salween wrote:
>
> Any experience out there with V-brakes, fenders and tires in 700c x 50mm 
> range? One 50mm Big Ben 
> reviewerwas having success, but 
> was not running fenders. Anyone else? Wondering 
> what the max 700c tire-fender combo might be, and maybe the brake to go 
> with it, as this Co-Motion Java frame we're working to order will not 
> accommodate canti cabeling in the rear--not enough space given its more 
> horizontal seatstay angles. Thanks, Owen

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[RBW] Sackville (Baggins) Reference

[colinthehippie]

My third reading of the Lord of the Rings trilogy, and I just realized the 
Sackville reference by our friends at RBW.  It's funny when you recognize 
it in the Sackville Bags name.  I must be pretty dense.

Cheers and happy reading/riding,

Colin Cummings
Amarillo, tx

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RE: [RBW] Re: Does anyone have any experience with the Public bikes basket on a Nitto M-12 front rack?

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

I have a plastic wicker version of this basket, and the quick release is not 
all that stable on my rear rack.  It doesn't fall off, but it is not rock solid 
by any means.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Montclair BobbyB
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:20 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Does anyone have any experience with the Public bikes basket 
on a Nitto M-12 front rack?

Sorry, for $60 I think Public has missed the boat with this (big time)... 
here's why:

First, Riv sells Wald baskets for $20...no brainer...
OK, the Public is removable, and it has a handle, but who wants to haul around 
the actual basket?? It's way too klunky and unstable, especially with a heavy 
bottle of wine.  For me, a bag (or bags) of my choice will always be 
preferable, AND it will further protect my stuff when I place it in the basket 
(that is BTW zip-tied to my rack).  No... my basket stays put, and I use 
whatever bag I happen to have with me.  With the $40 I save, I could add 
baskets to a few more bikes, or get myself a pretty snappy bag... :)

Peace,
BB

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:07:23 AM UTC-5, clayton wrote:
http://publicbikes.com/p/PUBLIC-Rear-Basket

This looks like a very handy basket. I am just wondering if it would work on an 
M-12? I wrote the company and so far no response.
Does anyone have one? Thoughts? Opinions?

Thanks in Advance,
Clay
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[RBW] Re: Does anyone have any experience with the Public bikes basket on a Nitto M-12 front rack?

[Minh]

i just borrowed a public bike this past weekend (from the hotel), just 
looking at the rack on that, the platform looks a lot bigger/wider then an 
M12, size is more similiar to a pletscher, so i'm not sure how this would 
clip on to an M12, Bobby has the best suggestion, just learn to love having 
a basket on all the time and using a canvas bag.

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:07:23 AM UTC-5, clayton wrote:
>
> http://publicbikes.com/p/PUBLIC-Rear-Basket
>
> This looks like a very handy basket. I am just wondering if it would work 
> on an M-12? I wrote the company and so far no response.
> Does anyone have one? Thoughts? Opinions?
>
> Thanks in Advance,
> Clay
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[RBW] Re: Sackville (Baggins) Reference

[Tom Goodmann]

I teach courses on Tolkien's sources and fictions, and these Riv references 
add new dimension to LOTR for me.  I don't know enough about RBW and its 
Esteemed Founder to suss the resonances that inspired the company name and 
those of some products, but of course a general sense of elvishness is 
clear: elves make things that are beautiful and useful.  As Wlliam Morris 
said, "Have nothing in your house that you do not know to be useful, or 
believe to be beautiful."  And that may be said of certain bicycles, indeed.




On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 11:39:21 AM UTC-5, colinthehippie wrote:
>
> My third reading of the Lord of the Rings trilogy, and I just realized the 
> Sackville reference by our friends at RBW.  It's funny when you recognize 
> it in the Sackville Bags name.  I must be pretty dense.
>
> Cheers and happy reading/riding,
>
> Colin Cummings
> Amarillo, tx
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[RBW] Re: V-Brakes and wide 700c tires w/fenders

[Tom Harrop]

Hi Owen,

I use Shimano V-brakes (107 mm arms), 700C Big Apples (57 mm actual width 
on my rims) and Berthoud 60 mm steel fenders. It works great, although it 
was necessary to put a dent in (or should I say cold set) the fenders to 
get the housing stop/quick-release thingy on the V-brakes to clear. With 50 
mm 700C Marathon Supremes (around 46 mm on my rims, from memory) I had nice 
clearance on the fenders and no denting was necessary. 

I think Tektro V-brakes are available with longer arms, and I've heard that 
the arms on Paul Motolites are 114 mm but that measurement isn't given on 
their website (anyone got a set they can measure?). You would need to have 
the frame clearance and racks could get in the way. I intend to find out 
about the Motolites and consider switching at some point.

Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sackville (Baggins) Reference

[Jim Mather]

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Tom Goodmann  wrote:

> I don't know enough about RBW and its Esteemed Founder to suss the
> resonances that inspired the company
>


I'm pretty sure the etiology is written about in a Blug, but, in short,
it's inspired by Rivendell Mountain Works. RMW was the creator of Jensen
packs, which you can read about here:
http://www.rivendellmountainworks.com/about-our-packs/

jim m
wc ca

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Re: [RBW] Does shellaced tape feel crusty?

[Seth Vidal]

shellac is used in many  applications. It's a pillcoating in certain cases.
It can be found in a number of food-grade items.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shellac#Uses


-sv




On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Ron MH  wrote:

> I must be the ONLY poster on this list who does not like shellac on cloth
> bar tape. I do think it feels hard compared to tape alone. How could it
> not? After all, shellac is used, in one application, as a wood finish. I
> say, naked bar tape feels better. Who cares if it won't survive a nuclear
> holocaust! Bar tape is cheap and easy to install when it wears out. It's
> also easy enough to soap up and wah when it gets dirty (if that bothers
> you).
>
> Ron
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Re: [RBW] Does shellaced tape feel crusty?

[Jim Mather]

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Ron MH  wrote:

> I must be the ONLY poster on this list who does not like shellac on cloth
> bar tape. I do think it feels hard compared to tape alone. How could it
> not? After all, shellac is used, in one application, as a wood finish. I
> say, naked bar tape feels better. Who cares if it won't survive a nuclear
> holocaust! Bar tape is cheap and easy to install when it wears out. It's
> also easy enough to soap up and wah when it gets dirty (if that bothers
> you).
>
>
No, you're not the only one. I also find shellaced tape unpleasant to grip
and prefer naked tape.

jim m
wc ca

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[RBW] Re: Does anyone have any experience with the Public bikes basket on a Nitto M-12 front rack?

[clayton]

OkThanks everyone for your thoughts. I normally always have my panniers 
on the back. I just wanted to have an occasional temporary overload 
capacity for groceries. I have a Wald basket and I feel a tinkering episode 
in the garage coming on...a quick release bracketh? ...bwaaahahahaa!
Clay

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 6:07:23 AM UTC-8, clayton wrote:
>
> http://publicbikes.com/p/PUBLIC-Rear-Basket
>
> This looks like a very handy basket. I am just wondering if it would work 
> on an M-12? I wrote the company and so far no response.
> Does anyone have one? Thoughts? Opinions?
>
> Thanks in Advance,
> Clay
>

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[RBW] Re: OT Anyone have experience with this trailer?

[clayton]

I love mine. I only use it for home depot runs and so forth. (I weighed my 
Yak and *without* the bag and it weighed 12 lbs!) Using it for groceries, 
TV sets, huge laundromat runs and so forth it works great. For touring on 
and off road I much prefer panniers.
Clay
Bend, OR

On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 10:59:22 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hey Riv folk was wondering if anyone has used one of these YAK trailers? 
> If yes how does it handle? . And I'm really not ready to throw down and buy 
> this one just yet so the early bird gets the worm. Just curious. Thanks in 
> advance.
>
> Hugh
> Sunland, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Plastic Fenders and Hetres

[Daniel]

Michael, do you have any pictures? I can't imagine that there would be much 
clearance since the Hetre's around about 40mm-42mm and the P45 should be 
about 45mm. The arithmatic makes it sound very tight, but maybe the real 
world measurements are a different story.
Thanks!

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 7:15:26 AM UTC-8, Michael wrote:

>  I have SKS P45 Longboards with Hetres on my Bleriot with Paul centerpull 
>> brakes with plenty of clearance.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sackville (Baggins) Reference

[colinthehippie]

While it's true that the Rivendell name came from Rivendell Mountain Works, 
and not necessarily from Tolkein's Rivendell, the references can't be 
denied in the RBW products.  Bombadil, Sackville, Baggins bags, Legolas. 
 Grant and company play on the references, which I think is cool.

Colin Cummings
Amarillo, tx

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 11:26:57 AM UTC-6, Jim M. wrote:
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Tom Goodmann 
> > wrote:
>
>> I don't know enough about RBW and its Esteemed Founder to suss the 
>> resonances that inspired the company
>>
>
>
> I'm pretty sure the etiology is written about in a Blug, but, in short, 
> it's inspired by Rivendell Mountain Works. RMW was the creator of Jensen 
> packs, which you can read about here: 
> http://www.rivendellmountainworks.com/about-our-packs/ 
>
> jim m
> wc ca
>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville (Baggins) Reference

[Leslie]

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 11:39:21 AM UTC-5, colinthehippie wrote:
>
> My third reading of the Lord of the Rings trilogy, and I just realized the 
> Sackville reference by our friends at RBW.  It's funny when you recognize 
> it in the Sackville Bags name.  I must be pretty dense.



http://www.rivbike.com/Articles.asp?ID=288


 

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[RBW] Sackville (Baggins) Reference

[Aaron Young]

Jim is right. If I recall correctly from some interview he gave, although
the LOTR connection was appreciated by Grant, the attitude and philosophy
of RMW was what he really was modeling. He wanted to run a company like
RMW, but with bikes. But as later product names attest, perhaps the Tolkien
became more of an influence. I think it's fairly clear that the way RBW is
managed differs from the norm in a positive way, which is another reason
I'm happy to support RBW.

Just curious, does anyone know if RMW had products with LOTR names or is
that more a RBW thing?

Aaron Young
Vancouver, WA

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013, Jim Mather wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Tom Goodmann 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> I don't know enough about RBW and its Esteemed Founder to suss the
>> resonances that inspired the company
>>
>
>
> I'm pretty sure the etiology is written about in a Blug, but, in short,
> it's inspired by Rivendell Mountain Works. RMW was the creator of Jensen
> packs, which you can read about here:
> http://www.rivendellmountainworks.com/about-our-packs/
>
> jim m
> wc ca
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[RBW] Re: Sackville (Baggins) Reference

[Leslie]

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 1:04:19 PM UTC-5, Leslie wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 11:39:21 AM UTC-5, colinthehippie wrote:
>>
>> My third reading of the Lord of the Rings trilogy, and I just realized 
>> the Sackville reference by our friends at RBW.  It's funny when you 
>> recognize it in the Sackville Bags name.  I must be pretty dense.
>
>
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/Articles.asp?ID=288
>
>
 
Actually, while thinkin' on it.

The day Grant was at MSL, I was wearing my 'expert treasure hunter' shirt...
http://www.teefury.com/archive/1241/Expert_Treasure_Hunters/

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Re: [RBW] Does shellaced tape feel crusty?

[Ron MH]

I must be the ONLY poster on this list who does not like shellac on cloth bar 
tape. I do think it feels hard compared to tape alone. How could it not? After 
all, shellac is used, in one application, as a wood finish. I say, naked bar 
tape feels better. Who cares if it won't survive a nuclear holocaust! Bar tape 
is cheap and easy to install when it wears out. It's also easy enough to soap 
up and wah when it gets dirty (if that bothers you).  

Ron 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sackville (Baggins) Reference

[Tom Goodmann]

Hahahaha! Perfect, Matt, perfect.


On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Matt Beebe  wrote:

> I'm just glad these good bikes that Grant Petersen designs aren't named
> after Atlas Shrugged, and this isn't the John Galt BW Owner's bunch.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 11:39:21 AM UTC-5, colinthehippie wrote:
>
>> My third reading of the Lord of the Rings trilogy, and I just realized
>> the Sackville reference by our friends at RBW.  It's funny when you
>> recognize it in the Sackville Bags name.  I must be pretty dense.
>>
>> Cheers and happy reading/riding,
>>
>> Colin Cummings
>> Amarillo, tx
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Re: [RBW] Does shellaced tape feel crusty?

[Peter Morgano]

I never liked any of the tapes, shellaced or not, personally. I love the VO
leather handlebar wrap, the kind you sew on. I am pretty adept at sewing
having a Fine Arts minor in college so it was pretty straight forward to
get laced up. Now I only ride in the rain if I have to so I doubt it is as
all weather as anything shellaced but man its pretty, and with some cotton
tape under wrapped beneath it very comfy.

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Jim Mather  wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Ron MH  wrote:
>
>> I must be the ONLY poster on this list who does not like shellac on cloth
>> bar tape. I do think it feels hard compared to tape alone. How could it
>> not? After all, shellac is used, in one application, as a wood finish. I
>> say, naked bar tape feels better. Who cares if it won't survive a nuclear
>> holocaust! Bar tape is cheap and easy to install when it wears out. It's
>> also easy enough to soap up and wah when it gets dirty (if that bothers
>> you).
>>
>>
> No, you're not the only one. I also find shellaced tape unpleasant to grip
> and prefer naked tape.
>
> jim m
> wc ca
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[RBW] Re: Does shellaced tape feel crusty?

[NWAJack]

So I just got my new AHH from Riv.   I ordered it with newbaums white - and 
it came with what looks like a single coat of shellac.   FYI - but it was 
fine for me, I had intended on shellac anyway.   You might double check 
with Riv if you don't want it shellaced at all.I've got two coats of 
amber on my white tape right now.   I think it looks and feels awesome.
 

On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 11:42:38 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:

> I am getting a new Sam with Newbaums and was thinking of shellacing the 
> Newbaum's some time.
>  
> How does shellaced newbaum's feel? Crusty? Sharp? Scratchy? Looks like it 
> would encrust the cotton tape in a candy-like coating.
>  
> Can the tape be removed and reused, or do you have to cut off like a cast, 
> so to speak?
>  
> Just wundrin'.
>  
> Mike "Leather is bether" Leven
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[RBW] Midge, again

[PATRICK MOORE]

A woman on this list declared her intention a month or so ago to
install a Midge. I'd be interested in hearing her opinion of it, and
learning how she set it up.

Me, I am still of mixed minds. (Howzat for a weird metaphor.) On the
one hand, it is, both overall one of the better compromises for on-
and off-road; the hoods are better than those of the 46 cm Noodles
(which were too damn' wide) and the hooks, tho' even wider, are as
comfortable because so much nearer and shallower. Compared to 42 cm
Noodles, the Midge is as comfortable on the hoods (this is where, for
me, the Midge shines) but considerably less so in the hooks -- again,
width and, also, because you simply can't set up the hooks to be
parallel to the ground: they are far too shallow and short.

OTOH, the 42 Noodles were useless on anything except firm surfaces,
while the Midge is wide enough even at the hoods to offer considerable
leverage and,  in the hooks, gives all the control you need.

My problems with the Midge are (1) the great width in the hooks and
(2) how the slanted hooks make my very sensitive left palm suffer.
This last may be helped with even more added padding. As to the first,
I am wondering if I should lower the bar (currently ~2 cm above
saddle) a cm or two and use the hooks, not the hoods, as the cruising
position. But this means that, off road, the hooks will be hard to use
on steep drop-offs where you need maximum grip and braking.

Perhaps the solution is to have a separate off-road bike that I can
set up without any compromise for road riding ...

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[RBW] Re: Sackville (Baggins) Reference

[Matt Beebe]

I'm just glad these good bikes that Grant Petersen designs aren't named 
after Atlas Shrugged, and this isn't the John Galt BW Owner's bunch.





On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 11:39:21 AM UTC-5, colinthehippie wrote:
>
> My third reading of the Lord of the Rings trilogy, and I just realized the 
> Sackville reference by our friends at RBW.  It's funny when you recognize 
> it in the Sackville Bags name.  I must be pretty dense.
>
> Cheers and happy reading/riding,
>
> Colin Cummings
> Amarillo, tx
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[RBW] Re: OT Anyone have experience with this trailer?

[Kelly]

I've toured with my Nomad two wheel trailer and toured extensively with 
others using the BOB.  Those touring with it like it.  I'm just a pannier 
guy but would have no problem loading heavy and using a trailer.   Then 
again I usually carry 70lbs of gear pannier weight included.

Kelly

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>
> I completely understand using a trailer for errands and local cargo 
> hauling. However, if you're considering it for a tour, I'd invite you to 
> play with the idea of packing lighter. The trailer weights 20 pounds empty. 
> I was set for a 3 week trip, completely self contained and my gear and food 
> weighed 35 pounds. Granted not everyone wants to eat a pound of pemmican a 
> day for 21 days, but there you are. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 11:59:22 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Hey Riv folk was wondering if anyone has used one of these YAK trailers? 
>> If yes how does it handle? . And I'm really not ready to throw down and buy 
>> this one just yet so the early bird gets the worm. Just curious. Thanks in 
>> advance.
>>
>> Hugh
>> Sunland, CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: OT Anyone have experience with this trailer?

[William]

I used a Yak back in the late 90's early 2000's down the California coast a 
couple times and really liked it.  It was the early model where the front 
fork part would swing around entirely into the inside cargo area, so it 
took up a lot less space in my garage than the later model that couldn't do 
that.  

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 12:24:56 PM UTC-8, Kelly wrote:
>
> I've toured with my Nomad two wheel trailer and toured extensively with 
> others using the BOB.  Those touring with it like it.  I'm just a pannier 
> guy but would have no problem loading heavy and using a trailer.   Then 
> again I usually carry 70lbs of gear pannier weight included.
>
> Kelly
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 5:51:16 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> I completely understand using a trailer for errands and local cargo 
>> hauling. However, if you're considering it for a tour, I'd invite you to 
>> play with the idea of packing lighter. The trailer weights 20 pounds empty. 
>> I was set for a 3 week trip, completely self contained and my gear and food 
>> weighed 35 pounds. Granted not everyone wants to eat a pound of pemmican a 
>> day for 21 days, but there you are. Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 11:59:22 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Riv folk was wondering if anyone has used one of these YAK trailers? 
>>> If yes how does it handle? . And I'm really not ready to throw down and buy 
>>> this one just yet so the early bird gets the worm. Just curious. Thanks in 
>>> advance.
>>>
>>> Hugh
>>> Sunland, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Does shellaced tape feel crusty?

[M D Smith]

By no means do I mean this to be snarky, but the following statement 
gave me a little chuckle:
 
" However, I successfully reused some [handlebar tape] on a kickstand where 
I wasn't very concerned about the aesthetics."
 
I also like the feel of shellaced bar tape.  I particularly appreciate how 
long the tape lasts as compared to untreated cloth tape.  One thing, 
however, is that on really hot, humid days or after rain, the shellaced 
tape can feel a little sticky.  No worse than cork or foam or regular tape, 
but worth noting.
 
All in good fun- Mike in Htfd CT

 
 

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[RBW] The Tri-I lasts forever

[William]

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/infinite.htm

It lasts forever, and Rivendell has an infinite supply of it.  It's the 
Infinite Inventory Item.  I'm calling it the Tri-I.  Only a dollar!

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[RBW] Re: Does shellaced tape feel crusty?

[Michael]

>
> Thanks, y'all.
> I think I will go un-shellaced on the bartape and see how it goes.
> I will probably go for some leather tape later as the wallet allows.
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[RBW] Re: Sping Sale: TA Carmina, Grand Bois Hetres, Panaracer Pasela, Schwalbe, Nitto,SKS, Sugino etc.

[TomT]

Hello,
interested in teh mks urban pedals.
do they look like the White industry lyotard copies?
thanks
Tom

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 6:40:39 AM UTC-8, hobie wrote:
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> For sale. All items include shipping.
>  
> Specialites TA Carmina crankset 172.5 w. both 130bcd road and 
> compact 94bcd spyders both silver. The rings are 50/34 silver rings 94bcd 
> and 52/42 black rings 130bcd.Comes w. Phil Wood BB 103mm, just the BB no 
> rings. Crank alone is big $. Overall in excellent condition. Top quality 
> crankset. $435.00
>  
> 2- used Grand Bois 650b Hetres red color w. 2 like new Schwalbe 650 tubes 
> alittle dirty but alot of life left.  the best 650b tires $85.00
>  
> 2- Brand new Panaracer Pasela folding bead tires 700x35 $60.00
>  
> 2- Brand new Schwalbe Marathon Racer folding bead tires. 700x35  $95.00
>  
> Nitto cockpit w. Nitto Technomic deluxe stem 11cm, Nitto Noodle 48cm 
> handlebars, Shimano Tiagra aero brake levers logos removed w.acetone, Velo 
> plugs black, brown cloth tape shellaced 4 times to a deep brown, black 
> brake cable housing. This setup came off a 58cm Saluki.  $115.00
>  
> Nitto Crystal fellow seatpost 27.2  Plenty insertion marks especially the 
> rear, though almost a fistful of clean post, logo intact. $38.00
>  
> Phil Wood Disc cassette hub 130mm spacing 32 hole. You can have it 
> re-spaced to 135mm from Phil for about $40.00 Excellent condition. What a 
> hub!  Bombproof. $185.00
>  
> Sugino AP110 triple crankset w. 48/38/28 rings and extra 110/34 ring for a 
> compact double. I used the double configuration w. a Phil 113 BB and 
> it worked great. $45.00
>  
> MKS Urban Pedals almost new $35.00
>  
> Tektro R556 xtra longreach brakes. Older style w. grey metal release and 
> gull wing brake shoe holders. Pads almost need to be replaced. $30.00
>  
> Silver Shifters downtube w.2 brand new Jagwire Hyper cables w. packaging. 
> $35.00
>  
> Vintage Suntour Cyclone MII rear derailler and Vintage Suntour Lepree 
> front clamp on 28.6 derailler. Excellent condition Both for $50.00
>  
> Vintage Shimano 600 front derailler very good condition $20.00
>  
> 2 waterbottle cages similar design to KING cages although more of a 
> titanium finish in color. $13.00
>  
> 2 pairs of SKS fenders silver P45 and P50 stays cut to fit a 58cm Saluki 
> both pairs for $45.00 
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Re: [RBW] interview with Ritchey on steel, gravel, wide tires and "innovation"

[Shoji Takahashi]

Nice interview of Ritchey. I'll have to set aside time for the video. 

Ritchey pops up in RRs every now and again-- clearly an influence to GP and 
the industry. I'm interested to see how Ritchey's prediction of 
"simplification" plays out. I see more 1-by-X's around, and SS, and fixies. 
(Maybe b/c I'm in an urban environment? or flatter land area?) 
Appaloosa/Mystery bike's 1-by-X (or stick-by-X?). 

Then again, I checked out the SRAM XX1 Ritchey mentioned, having no idea 
about these modern groups, and... wow $425 for an 11-speed cassette! (XX1 
chain's $58.)



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>
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 10:40:44 AM UTC-8, Daniel wrote:
>>
>> I have huge respect for Tom Ritchey, am intrigued by the Woodsies, but I 
>> don't believe the first MTBs built by Rtichey were 650B.
>>
>>
> Have you seen the video by Jay Ritchey:  http://vimeo.com/47207697
>
> Tom says he was building a 650B before Joe Breeze and Gary Fisher 
> approached him.  
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Re: [RBW] interview with Ritchey on steel, gravel, wide tires and "innovation"

[Tom Goodmann]

elegant, that Ritchey tourer!


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> My lugged, touring Ritchey. It was built (not for me!) when I was in 5th
> grade. Still works great. I'm 45 now. Maybe he knows something.
>
> http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/bylar13/001-3.jpg
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Re: [RBW] Re: OT Anyone have experience with this trailer?

[Bill Gibson]

Different bikes work better or worse with the BOB. If your bike is
flexible, you may wobble when heavy. But, if your bike is robust, and you
carry less than the maximum, it's the best I've ever used. I've also used
the original Cannondale bugger, and the Burley delite in a couple of
versions. Your position on the bike will affect the stability, too, but the
low center of gravity, the hub level hitch, the rolling resistance of the
one wheel, and the in-line aerodynamics all make it the best commercial
trailer around. I've heard of some customs that were better, but that's
another world.


On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 2:02 PM, William  wrote:

> I used a Yak back in the late 90's early 2000's down the California coast
> a couple times and really liked it.  It was the early model where the front
> fork part would swing around entirely into the inside cargo area, so it
> took up a lot less space in my garage than the later model that couldn't do
> that.
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 12:24:56 PM UTC-8, Kelly wrote:
>>
>> I've toured with my Nomad two wheel trailer and toured extensively with
>> others using the BOB.  Those touring with it like it.  I'm just a pannier
>> guy but would have no problem loading heavy and using a trailer.   Then
>> again I usually carry 70lbs of gear pannier weight included.
>>
>> Kelly
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 5:51:16 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> I completely understand using a trailer for errands and local cargo
>>> hauling. However, if you're considering it for a tour, I'd invite you to
>>> play with the idea of packing lighter. The trailer weights 20 pounds empty.
>>> I was set for a 3 week trip, completely self contained and my gear and food
>>> weighed 35 pounds. Granted not everyone wants to eat a pound of pemmican a
>>> day for 21 days, but there you are. Grin.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 11:59:22 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Hey Riv folk was wondering if anyone has used one of these YAK
 trailers? If yes how does it handle? . And I'm really not ready to throw
 down and buy this one just yet so the early bird gets the worm. Just
 curious. Thanks in advance.

 Hugh
 Sunland, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: OT Anyone have experience with this trailer?

[Christopher Murray]

I have used it pretty extensively from quick overnights to cross country. It 
works great Nd is super easy to pack- no worries about load balancing. The bike 
is incredibly stable towing it and after using it for a few days the bike feels 
strange without it. I have used it on a variety of bikes from touring bike to 
my Bike Friday and it did great. The downsides?  It adds weight and if you are 
the only person with a trailer you are going to work harder to keep up. It also 
means one more wheel- flats, etc. It is a pain to travel with and can make bus 
and train trips a major chore. It will also be one more bag to check if you are 
flying. 

Overall it certainly has its upsides but if I were starting from scratch- with 
the cost of shipping and airline fees- would lean towards panniers. 

Cheers! 
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Re: [RBW] The Tri-I lasts forever

[Jim Mather]

Don't neglect to add your review of the item.

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:09 PM, William  wrote:

> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/infinite.htm
>
> It lasts forever, and Rivendell has an infinite supply of it.  It's the
> Infinite Inventory Item.  I'm calling it the Tri-I.  Only a dollar!
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Re: [RBW] The Tri-I lasts forever

[William]

I wrote a review, but decided that was too stupid, even for me.  So I 
didn't submit it.  

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 2:55:14 PM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote:
>
> Don't neglect to add your review of the item.
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:09 PM, William  >wrote:
>
>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/infinite.htm
>>
>> It lasts forever, and Rivendell has an infinite supply of it.  It's the 
>> Infinite Inventory Item.  I'm calling it the Tri-I.  Only a dollar!
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Re: [RBW] The Tri-I lasts forever

[William]

O snap!  Now there are two reviews.  Now I gotta get in on that

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 3:01:43 PM UTC-8, William wrote:
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> I wrote a review, but decided that was too stupid, even for me.  So I 
> didn't submit it.  
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 2:55:14 PM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote:
>>
>> Don't neglect to add your review of the item.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:09 PM, William  wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/infinite.htm
>>>
>>> It lasts forever, and Rivendell has an infinite supply of it.  It's the 
>>> Infinite Inventory Item.  I'm calling it the Tri-I.  Only a dollar!
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[RBW] Re: V-Brakes and wide 700c tires w/fenders

[dougP]

During my research on V-brakes I found arm lengths all the way from 85 mm 
(maybe even 80?) up to 107 mm.  Of course not all brake posts are located 
in the same spot on the frame relative to the rim.  So you'll to do some 
tedious measurements of your bike and research to figure out exactly what 
will work.  With fat tires, fenders, racks, etc., it can become quite a 
puzzle.  Then you get to the cost issue.  There are perfectly serviceable 
$30 brakes and equally serviceable but wonderful looking $150 brakes.  

Brake levers also become an issue with V-brakes.  Most flat bar MTB style 
levers pull enough cable but for drop bars you need Tektro's long pull 
lever.  Brifters require a Travel Agent cable adapter if using longer arm 
Vs as you would need to clear fat tires with fenders.  

dougP

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>
> Hi Owen,
>
> I use Shimano V-brakes (107 mm arms), 700C Big Apples (57 mm actual width 
> on my rims) and Berthoud 60 mm steel fenders. It works great, although it 
> was necessary to put a dent in (or should I say cold set) the fenders to 
> get the housing stop/quick-release thingy on the V-brakes to clear. With 50 
> mm 700C Marathon Supremes (around 46 mm on my rims, from memory) I had nice 
> clearance on the fenders and no denting was necessary. 
>
> I think Tektro V-brakes are available with longer arms, and I've heard 
> that the arms on Paul Motolites are 114 mm but that measurement isn't given 
> on their website (anyone got a set they can measure?). You would need to 
> have the frame clearance and racks could get in the way. I intend to find 
> out about the Motolites and consider switching at some point.
>
> Tom
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sackville (Baggins) Reference

[hsmitham]

So true Matt, thank our lucky stars. Though if it was named after AS, the 
tenor of this group would be entirely different in a race centric way. Man 
I just gave my self the chills.

Hugh
Sunland, CA

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 10:23:10 AM UTC-8, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
> Hahahaha! Perfect, Matt, perfect.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Matt Beebe 
> > wrote:
>
>> I'm just glad these good bikes that Grant Petersen designs aren't named 
>> after Atlas Shrugged, and this isn't the John Galt BW Owner's bunch.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 11:39:21 AM UTC-5, colinthehippie wrote:
>>
>>> My third reading of the Lord of the Rings trilogy, and I just realized 
>>> the Sackville reference by our friends at RBW.  It's funny when you 
>>> recognize it in the Sackville Bags name.  I must be pretty dense.
>>>
>>> Cheers and happy reading/riding,
>>>
>>> Colin Cummings
>>> Amarillo, tx
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Re: [RBW] Re: Midge, again

[cyclotourist]

I like that Vaya a lot!


On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Kellie Stapleton  wrote:

>
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 10:54:42 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> A woman on this list declared her intention a month or so ago to
>> install a Midge. I'd be interested in hearing her opinion of it, and
>> learning how she set it up.
>>
>> Me, I am still of mixed minds. (Howzat for a weird metaphor.) On the
>> one hand, it is, both overall one of the better compromises for on-
>> and off-road; the hoods are better than those of the 46 cm Noodles
>> (which were too damn' wide) and the hooks, tho' even wider, are as
>> comfortable because so much nearer and shallower. Compared to 42 cm
>> Noodles, the Midge is as comfortable on the hoods (this is where, for
>> me, the Midge shines) but considerably less so in the hooks -- again,
>> width and, also, because you simply can't set up the hooks to be
>> parallel to the ground: they are far too shallow and short.
>>
>> OTOH, the 42 Noodles were useless on anything except firm surfaces,
>> while the Midge is wide enough even at the hoods to offer considerable
>> leverage and,  in the hooks, gives all the control you need.
>>
>> My problems with the Midge are (1) the great width in the hooks and
>> (2) how the slanted hooks make my very sensitive left palm suffer.
>> This last may be helped with even more added padding. As to the first,
>> I am wondering if I should lower the bar (currently ~2 cm above
>> saddle) a cm or two and use the hooks, not the hoods, as the cruising
>> position. But this means that, off road, the hooks will be hard to use
>> on steep drop-offs where you need maximum grip and braking.
>>
>> Perhaps the solution is to have a separate off-road bike that I can
>> set up without any compromise for road riding ...
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Midge, again

[Kellie Stapleton]

I didn't tell you, I really like these bars. Hope the pix helped.

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 5:08:02 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I like that Vaya a lot!
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Kellie Stapleton 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 10:54:42 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> A woman on this list declared her intention a month or so ago to 
>>> install a Midge. I'd be interested in hearing her opinion of it, and 
>>> learning how she set it up. 
>>>
>>> Me, I am still of mixed minds. (Howzat for a weird metaphor.) On the 
>>> one hand, it is, both overall one of the better compromises for on- 
>>> and off-road; the hoods are better than those of the 46 cm Noodles 
>>> (which were too damn' wide) and the hooks, tho' even wider, are as 
>>> comfortable because so much nearer and shallower. Compared to 42 cm 
>>> Noodles, the Midge is as comfortable on the hoods (this is where, for 
>>> me, the Midge shines) but considerably less so in the hooks -- again, 
>>> width and, also, because you simply can't set up the hooks to be 
>>> parallel to the ground: they are far too shallow and short. 
>>>
>>> OTOH, the 42 Noodles were useless on anything except firm surfaces, 
>>> while the Midge is wide enough even at the hoods to offer considerable 
>>> leverage and,  in the hooks, gives all the control you need. 
>>>
>>> My problems with the Midge are (1) the great width in the hooks and 
>>> (2) how the slanted hooks make my very sensitive left palm suffer. 
>>> This last may be helped with even more added padding. As to the first, 
>>> I am wondering if I should lower the bar (currently ~2 cm above 
>>> saddle) a cm or two and use the hooks, not the hoods, as the cruising 
>>> position. But this means that, off road, the hooks will be hard to use 
>>> on steep drop-offs where you need maximum grip and braking. 
>>>
>>> Perhaps the solution is to have a separate off-road bike that I can 
>>> set up without any compromise for road riding ... 
>>>
>>> -- 
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>>>
>>>
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>>> you get the package for free! 
>>>
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>>> __**__**__
>>>  
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: V-Brakes and wide 700c tires w/fenders

[Eric Platt]

Not on a Rivendell, but have Berthoud 60mm fenders and Schwalbe 50mm tires
(26") on a Surly Long Haul Trucker and the Shimano Deore V brakes work just
fine.  Not sure I have a rubber boot on both, though.  Can't remember.  The
bike hasn't been out for a while as I decided not to put studded tires on
it this winter and we ended up with a snowy one.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 5:33 PM, dougP  wrote:

> During my research on V-brakes I found arm lengths all the way from 85 mm
> (maybe even 80?) up to 107 mm.  Of course not all brake posts are located
> in the same spot on the frame relative to the rim.  So you'll to do some
> tedious measurements of your bike and research to figure out exactly what
> will work.  With fat tires, fenders, racks, etc., it can become quite a
> puzzle.  Then you get to the cost issue.  There are perfectly serviceable
> $30 brakes and equally serviceable but wonderful looking $150 brakes.
>
> Brake levers also become an issue with V-brakes.  Most flat bar MTB style
> levers pull enough cable but for drop bars you need Tektro's long pull
> lever.  Brifters require a Travel Agent cable adapter if using longer arm
> Vs as you would need to clear fat tires with fenders.
>
> dougP
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:25:42 AM UTC-8, Tom Harrop wrote:
>>
>> Hi Owen,
>>
>> I use Shimano V-brakes (107 mm arms), 700C Big Apples (57 mm actual width
>> on my rims) and Berthoud 60 mm steel fenders. It works great, although it
>> was necessary to put a dent in (or should I say cold set) the fenders to
>> get the housing stop/quick-release thingy on the V-brakes to clear. With 50
>> mm 700C Marathon Supremes (around 46 mm on my rims, from memory) I had nice
>> clearance on the fenders and no denting was necessary.
>>
>> I think Tektro V-brakes are available with longer arms, and I've heard
>> that the arms on Paul Motolites are 114 mm but that measurement isn't given
>> on their website (anyone got a set they can measure?). You would need to
>> have the frame clearance and racks could get in the way. I intend to find
>> out about the Motolites and consider switching at some point.
>>
>> Tom
>>
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[RBW] FS: Specialized Allez

[cyclotourist]

57cm center to center American Flyer special. $300+ shipping.
Please reply off list if you would like more info.

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Re: [RBW] Sackville (Baggins) Reference

[jimD]

Well done!
On Mar 6, 2013, at 10:17 AM, Matt Beebe  wrote:

> I'm just glad these good bikes that Grant Petersen designs aren't named after 
> Atlas Shrugged, and this isn't the John Galt BW Owner's bunch.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 11:39:21 AM UTC-5, colinthehippie wrote:
> My third reading of the Lord of the Rings trilogy, and I just realized the 
> Sackville reference by our friends at RBW.  It's funny when you recognize it 
> in the Sackville Bags name.  I must be pretty dense.
> 
> Cheers and happy reading/riding,
> 
> Colin Cummings
> Amarillo, tx
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Re: [RBW] interview with Ritchey on steel, gravel, wide tires and "innovation"

[Brian Campbell]

Thanks! Funny though, a touring bike that barely fits 30mm tires!

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>
> elegant, that Ritchey tourer!
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Brian Campbell 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> My lugged, touring Ritchey. It was built (not for me!) when I was in 5th 
>> grade. Still works great. I'm 45 now. Maybe he knows something.
>>
>> http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/bylar13/001-3.jpg
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[RBW] Re: Sping Sale: TA Carmina, Grand Bois Hetres, Panaracer Pasela, Schwalbe, Nitto,SKS, Sugino etc.

[jeffrey kane]

Hey, I shot you an e-mail about the Hetres and tubes ... lemme know when 
you get a chance, please.

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:40:39 AM UTC-5, hobie wrote:
>
> For sale. All items include shipping.
>  
> Specialites TA Carmina crankset 172.5 w. both 130bcd road and 
> compact 94bcd spyders both silver. The rings are 50/34 silver rings 94bcd 
> and 52/42 black rings 130bcd.Comes w. Phil Wood BB 103mm, just the BB no 
> rings. Crank alone is big $. Overall in excellent condition. Top quality 
> crankset. $435.00
>  
> 2- used Grand Bois 650b Hetres red color w. 2 like new Schwalbe 650 tubes 
> alittle dirty but alot of life left.  the best 650b tires $85.00
>  
> 2- Brand new Panaracer Pasela folding bead tires 700x35 $60.00
>  
> 2- Brand new Schwalbe Marathon Racer folding bead tires. 700x35  $95.00
>  
> Nitto cockpit w. Nitto Technomic deluxe stem 11cm, Nitto Noodle 48cm 
> handlebars, Shimano Tiagra aero brake levers logos removed w.acetone, Velo 
> plugs black, brown cloth tape shellaced 4 times to a deep brown, black 
> brake cable housing. This setup came off a 58cm Saluki.  $115.00
>  
> Nitto Crystal fellow seatpost 27.2  Plenty insertion marks especially the 
> rear, though almost a fistful of clean post, logo intact. $38.00
>  
> Phil Wood Disc cassette hub 130mm spacing 32 hole. You can have it 
> re-spaced to 135mm from Phil for about $40.00 Excellent condition. What a 
> hub!  Bombproof. $185.00
>  
> Sugino AP110 triple crankset w. 48/38/28 rings and extra 110/34 ring for a 
> compact double. I used the double configuration w. a Phil 113 BB and 
> it worked great. $45.00
>  
> MKS Urban Pedals almost new $35.00
>  
> Tektro R556 xtra longreach brakes. Older style w. grey metal release and 
> gull wing brake shoe holders. Pads almost need to be replaced. $30.00
>  
> Silver Shifters downtube w.2 brand new Jagwire Hyper cables w. packaging. 
> $35.00
>  
> Vintage Suntour Cyclone MII rear derailler and Vintage Suntour Lepree 
> front clamp on 28.6 derailler. Excellent condition Both for $50.00
>  
> Vintage Shimano 600 front derailler very good condition $20.00
>  
> 2 waterbottle cages similar design to KING cages although more of a 
> titanium finish in color. $13.00
>  
> 2 pairs of SKS fenders silver P45 and P50 stays cut to fit a 58cm Saluki 
> both pairs for $45.00 
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Re: [RBW] interview with Ritchey on steel, gravel, wide tires and "innovation"

[Christopher Murray]

Wait a second. Tom Ritchey... Jay Ritchey

Is TR JR's father?!?!?!?!?!? That is what the 'tubes say. Shocking! 

Awesome TR video on JR's site- Jay Bird Films. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Midge, again

[hsmitham]

The Vaya was on my list of potential bikes but thankfully I went with the 
Homer.I really like the Vaya though. The Midge looks like a great bar. 
Maybe I'll try it at some point.

Hugh
Sunland, CA

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 5:16:12 PM UTC-8, Kellie Stapleton wrote:
>
> I didn't tell you, I really like these bars. Hope the pix helped.
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 5:08:02 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I like that Vaya a lot!
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Kellie Stapleton 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 10:54:42 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 A woman on this list declared her intention a month or so ago to 
 install a Midge. I'd be interested in hearing her opinion of it, and 
 learning how she set it up. 

 Me, I am still of mixed minds. (Howzat for a weird metaphor.) On the 
 one hand, it is, both overall one of the better compromises for on- 
 and off-road; the hoods are better than those of the 46 cm Noodles 
 (which were too damn' wide) and the hooks, tho' even wider, are as 
 comfortable because so much nearer and shallower. Compared to 42 cm 
 Noodles, the Midge is as comfortable on the hoods (this is where, for 
 me, the Midge shines) but considerably less so in the hooks -- again, 
 width and, also, because you simply can't set up the hooks to be 
 parallel to the ground: they are far too shallow and short. 

 OTOH, the 42 Noodles were useless on anything except firm surfaces, 
 while the Midge is wide enough even at the hoods to offer considerable 
 leverage and,  in the hooks, gives all the control you need. 

 My problems with the Midge are (1) the great width in the hooks and 
 (2) how the slanted hooks make my very sensitive left palm suffer. 
 This last may be helped with even more added padding. As to the first, 
 I am wondering if I should lower the bar (currently ~2 cm above 
 saddle) a cm or two and use the hooks, not the hoods, as the cruising 
 position. But this means that, off road, the hooks will be hard to use 
 on steep drop-offs where you need maximum grip and braking. 

 Perhaps the solution is to have a separate off-road bike that I can 
 set up without any compromise for road riding ... 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Midge, again

[cyclotourist]

For many years now I have lust in my heart for the NLA Lynskey Ti Vaya.


On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:55 PM, hsmitham  wrote:

> The Vaya was on my list of potential bikes but thankfully I went with the
> Homer.I really like the Vaya though. The Midge looks like a great bar.
> Maybe I'll try it at some point.
>
> Hugh
> Sunland, CA
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 5:16:12 PM UTC-8, Kellie Stapleton wrote:
>>
>> I didn't tell you, I really like these bars. Hope the pix helped.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 5:08:02 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I like that Vaya a lot!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Kellie Stapleton 
>>> wrote:
>>>


 On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 10:54:42 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

> A woman on this list declared her intention a month or so ago to
> install a Midge. I'd be interested in hearing her opinion of it, and
> learning how she set it up.
>
> Me, I am still of mixed minds. (Howzat for a weird metaphor.) On the
> one hand, it is, both overall one of the better compromises for on-
> and off-road; the hoods are better than those of the 46 cm Noodles
> (which were too damn' wide) and the hooks, tho' even wider, are as
> comfortable because so much nearer and shallower. Compared to 42 cm
> Noodles, the Midge is as comfortable on the hoods (this is where, for
> me, the Midge shines) but considerably less so in the hooks -- again,
> width and, also, because you simply can't set up the hooks to be
> parallel to the ground: they are far too shallow and short.
>
> OTOH, the 42 Noodles were useless on anything except firm surfaces,
> while the Midge is wide enough even at the hoods to offer considerable
> leverage and,  in the hooks, gives all the control you need.
>
> My problems with the Midge are (1) the great width in the hooks and
> (2) how the slanted hooks make my very sensitive left palm suffer.
> This last may be helped with even more added padding. As to the first,
> I am wondering if I should lower the bar (currently ~2 cm above
> saddle) a cm or two and use the hooks, not the hoods, as the cruising
> position. But this means that, off road, the hooks will be hard to use
> on steep drop-offs where you need maximum grip and braking.
>
> Perhaps the solution is to have a separate off-road bike that I can
> set up without any compromise for road riding ...
>
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[RBW] Re: Midge, again

[iamkeith]

I've been thinking about the midge for an off-road bar lately too.  In
some ways it seems  "almost" perfect,  but my problem is that the
short lower drop extensions seem way too short to fit my hands
securely.  So I found a product  called "Terminators" from Control
Tech ( http://www.controltechbikes.com/english/examples/a_endplugs.php
) that might fix THAT problem by adding length, but at the expense of
being able to use bar end shifters.   So then you'd have to use
brifters or, my favorite, "Take-Offs" by Kelly ( 
http://kellybike.com/2nd_xtra_takeoff.html
) with silver shifters.  I'm just not sure the later option would work
due to the angled brake lever mounting position.  I'd sure love it if
you would try this combination out and report back, though!  ;-)

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