[RBW] Re: Conzelman Road Redux

[EricP]

Nice photos.  Makes me lust in my heart after a Yves Gomez.  Have
always liked Rivendell's interpretation of the mixte.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Dec 7, 11:51 pm, Ray Shine  wrote:
> Yeah, after the top wears out, I can cut the bottle into strips and lace them
> through my spokes!
>
> 
> From: Joe Bernard 
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wed, December 7, 2011 8:43:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Conzelman Road Redux
>
> That orange bottle is bright, eh? I just got one and put it on my plum Bstone
> XO-3. With the bike parked in my bedroom, it makes a great night light. ;-)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike: Built, Explained

[Bruce Herbitter]

No cable stretch and you'd feel like a Harley rider with a suicide shifter. 
Sent from my Kindle Fire

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I think rod operated front derailers are the coolest bike part, ever. I'd LOVE 
to have one on my AHH.

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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike: Built, Explained

[Marty]

The grouping I posted earlier represented the current-production 
diaga-bikes, but let's not forget the earliest members of the family:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tbwmbn/1468660630/in/pool-1641278@N22/   (I 
love/want this bike!)

And this custom:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32306142@N07/4935818693/in/set-72157623241441254


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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike: Built, Explained

[islaysteve]

I'm also a fan of these changers, the look anyway.  I had a chance to buy 
an old French bike several years back and passed on it.  Kind of regret 
that.  Anyway, I bet Velo Orange could develop one of these if they 
wanted.  Steve

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Re: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike: Built, Explained

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2011-12-07 at 20:37 -0800, Ginz wrote:
> Clanger, maybe, but no one is going to talk
> me out of a front changer. I'm a huge MASH fan, as well.

Clangers and MASH, is that what you're saying?



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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike: Built, Explained

[doc]

"No cable stretch and you'd feel like a Harley rider with a suicide
shifter."

Dang.  Beat me to it.

On Dec 8, 6:51 am, Bruce Herbitter  wrote:
> No cable stretch and you'd feel like a Harley rider with a suicide shifter.
> Sent from my Kindle Fire
>
> _
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> Sent: Wed Dec 07 20:45:05 CST 2011
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike: Built, Explained
>
> I think rod operated front derailers are the coolest bike part, ever. I'd 
> LOVE to have one on my AHH.
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[RBW] What happened to clear powder coating

[David Sprunger]

In reading Grant's latest post about the new mystery bike, I noted his
comments on potential clear powder coating of the frame.  That remark
made me wonder what happened to clear powder coat option that was
promoted heavily 3-4 years ago.  My original series Bombadil was clear
coated, and the finish is still solid.  Grant's comments imply some
sort of salt issues related perhaps to sea air.  Of course, North
Dakota is about as inland as it gets. Should someone with a clear coat
finish anticipate a paint job to preserve the frame?
Thanks,
David Sprunger
Fargo, ND

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RE: [RBW] What happened to clear powder coating

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

There have been a few posts on this in the past.  I have a Bomba that was 
originally clear powder coated.  The bike lived for its first summer at my 
house at the Jersey shore, literally 20 yards from the saltwater Intracoastal 
Waterway, and after that summer I noticed that it was developing some small 
rust spots.  It was my first Rivendell, and my first "nice" bike, and I had 
what I now think of as a bit of an obsessive fear that something was going 
"wrong" with it.  So I had it repainted (which, BTW, Riv volunteered to 
contribute to the cost of, entirely without complaint; with the benefit of 
hindsight, I don't think they needed to do that, and I probably shouldn't have 
accepted).  There are, I believe, lots of clear powdercoated Rivs out there 
with no problems at all, and the notion that a few rust spots is really a 
"problem" could certainly be debated.  (I think a few of those bikes are 
identified in a string on the Bombadil group on Flickr, and I think Esteban on 
this list had a Protovelo that experienced no issues.)

I'm on the Mystery Bike list, and I don't plan to use that bike at the Shore; 
since it will be living inland in Delaware, if GP and the crew will allow it in 
light of my history on the Bomba, I might very well choose to have this bike 
clear powdercoated.  My Bomba in its original finish was the prettiest bike 
I've ever seen (subjective judgment, of course), and if it develops a little 
rust over time, well, that's what steel does, and that's why clear nail polish 
was invented, I guess.

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Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 9:03 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] What happened to clear powder coating

In reading Grant's latest post about the new mystery bike, I noted his comments 
on potential clear powder coating of the frame.  That remark made me wonder 
what happened to clear powder coat option that was promoted heavily 3-4 years 
ago.  My original series Bombadil was clear coated, and the finish is still 
solid.  Grant's comments imply some sort of salt issues related perhaps to sea 
air.  Of course, North Dakota is about as inland as it gets. Should someone 
with a clear coat finish anticipate a paint job to preserve the frame?
Thanks,
David Sprunger
Fargo, ND

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Re: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike: Built, Explained

[Peter Pesce]

Clearly Grant is just jumping on the Pinarello asymmetrical bandwagon! ;-)

I like "Slackeur" too, though it sounds like a porteur that's too lazy to 
carry anything...

-Pete

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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike: Built, Explained

[Joe Bernard]

The revisionist history at the beginning of the Wed. Blug post is amusing. 
It started with Grant feeling a little odd, but grateful, that someone else 
built the bike up for him. Now he's all super happy about it. "Hey, it's my 
blog, and I reserve the right to change my mind!" ;-)
 
Joe "I wish I could rewrite about half of everything I've ever posted on 
the internet" Bernard
Fairfield, CA. 

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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike: Built, Explained

[dougP]

Marty:

I see the date on the photo of the red custom is 2001.  Look at how
tall the head tube is; this is clearly A Big Bike.  Somewhere in the
back of my mind is a vague recollection of an article (in the RR??)
about the challenge of building a really large frame for a really big
guy (maybe pro athlete size / weight??) while using Riv standard dia
tubing to preserve the elegant look.  The solution was the diagatube &
extra stays.  I'll bet this is the bike.

Thanks for posting the photo.  It's a beautiful bike.

dougP

On Dec 8, 4:24 am, Marty  wrote:
> The grouping I posted earlier represented the current-production
> diaga-bikes, but let's not forget the earliest members of the family:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tbwmbn/1468660630/in/pool-1641278@N22/  (I
> love/want this bike!)
>
> And this custom:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32306142@N07/4935818693/in/set-721576232...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Going Going, Back Back, To Cali Cali :: Visiting the Bay Area!

[Anne Paulson]

Any schedule yet? I'm up for some bike camping.

Summery, though? Not so much. Two days ago I was up on top of
Montebello Road, a beautiful fire road along the ridge line between
the South Bay and the Pacific. As I was riding through a shady spot, I
noticed a frozen puddle. Usually frozen puddles melt in the sunshine
here, but it was about five minutes before sunset and this puddle had
obviously been frozen all day. That's the ground we'll be sleeping
on-- frozen.

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Amit Singh  wrote:
> I'm ready to ride anytime, Holy Moses, am I ready.
>
> Monday sounds like a plan.  But so does Sunday, Tuesday, Wednesday and
> Thursday.
>
> Friday through Sunday I'm committed to birthday parties and
> snowboarding in Tahoe.
>
> I'd really like to see the hills, ride up above the clouds, shoot some
> photos, eat some good food and do some bicycle camping.  Since this is
> my first time riding in the Bay Area, I'm totally open.  A grand 'ol
> tour to explore would be cool, but so would cherry picking a few
> favorite rides and spots.
>
> Thanks y'all for the warm welcome.  I'll look forward to seeing -- and
> riding, eating, drinking and celebrating with those who can can soon.
>
> I'm So Excited!  A!
>
> Amit
>
> On Dec 7, 7:02 pm, Joe Bunik  wrote:
>> but will Amit be buying it a ticket home?!?
>>
>> Maybe he could buy it a *seat* next to him. I lived with a cellist
>> once who insisted on doing that. Damn, that was a pricey cello...
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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike: Built, Explained

[Marty]

Doug - Can't say if that date is meaningful or not. I found the photo 
somewhere on the net a while back, pre-Flickr as I recall, and did not want 
to lose it so it's likely a screen grab. Date seems about right though, and 
I agree it's a great looking bike. 

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[RBW] Verse on "Odd New Bike: Built, Explained"

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Lead on Wednesday's Blug entry about the (H)ot (S)**t 
bike:
"It makes me feel like King of all I survey." - John, as he rode 
it.
So obviously John is a hard-shelled kind of a guy:

"All mine!" Yertle cried. "Oh, the things I now rule!
I'm the king of a cow! And I'm the king of a mule!
I'm the king of a house! And, what's more, beyond that
I'm the king of a blueberry bush and a cat!
I'm Yertle the Turtle! Oh, marvelous me!
For I am the ruler of all that I see!"

Or maybe the real-life Robinson Crusoe?

William Cowper's The Solitude Of 
Alexander Selkirk is about the feelings of Alexander Selkirk as he lived all 
alone on the island. This poem gave rise to the common phrase monarch of all I 
survey via the verse:

I am monarch of all I survey,
My right there is none to dispute;
>From the centre all round to the sea,
I am lord of the fowl and the brute.

***

Riv content?  GP likes great poetry.




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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike: Built, Explained

"Tentacular". That's funny. ;-)

I'd still like to see the Slacker bike. I have an Electra Amsterdam that fits 
that criteria, and has a bar similar to the NuBar, but without as much 
back-reach. The bike's seattube angle falls somewhere between "normal", and the 
very-crank-forward Townies Electra builds. I sit bolt-upright on a big ole 
sprung saddle. A recumbent couldn't be any more comfortable. A production 
Rivendell Slacker with NuBar would be very cool. If you ever want to ride my 
Amsterdam, gimme a holler.

Joe Bernard
Fairfield, CA.

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[RBW] Re: What happened to clear powder coating

[Mike S]

I have a 2.5 year old Quickbeam that's accumulating some pretty good
beausage, which I'm currently fine with. However, if I were to re-
finish, I think the clear powder-coating would be my 1st choice. The
only concern I have is what you do when a clear powder-coat gets
dinged, meaning what would one use for touch up work? I tend to be
hard on stuff, and I know any finish would soon require touch up.

For those with the CPC, what have you used for this purpose? Also,
where would one have to send a bike to get this done, I assume there's
a contractor Rivendell knows? Any idea what the cost is?

Thanks!

On Dec 8, 9:21 am, "Allingham II, Thomas J"
 wrote:
> There have been a few posts on this in the past.  I have a Bomba that was 
> originally clear powder coated.  The bike lived for its first summer at my 
> house at the Jersey shore, literally 20 yards from the saltwater Intracoastal 
> Waterway, and after that summer I noticed that it was developing some small 
> rust spots.  It was my first Rivendell, and my first "nice" bike, and I had 
> what I now think of as a bit of an obsessive fear that something was going 
> "wrong" with it.  So I had it repainted (which, BTW, Riv volunteered to 
> contribute to the cost of, entirely without complaint; with the benefit of 
> hindsight, I don't think they needed to do that, and I probably shouldn't 
> have accepted).  There are, I believe, lots of clear powdercoated Rivs out 
> there with no problems at all, and the notion that a few rust spots is really 
> a "problem" could certainly be debated.  (I think a few of those bikes are 
> identified in a string on the Bombadil group on Flickr, and I think Esteban 
> on this list had a Protovelo that experienced no issues.)
>
> I'm on the Mystery Bike list, and I don't plan to use that bike at the Shore; 
> since it will be living inland in Delaware, if GP and the crew will allow it 
> in light of my history on the Bomba, I might very well choose to have this 
> bike clear powdercoated.  My Bomba in its original finish was the prettiest 
> bike I've ever seen (subjective judgment, of course), and if it develops a 
> little rust over time, well, that's what steel does, and that's why clear 
> nail polish was invented, I guess.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Sprunger
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 9:03 AM
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [RBW] What happened to clear powder coating
>
> In reading Grant's latest post about the new mystery bike, I noted his 
> comments on potential clear powder coating of the frame.  That remark made me 
> wonder what happened to clear powder coat option that was promoted heavily 
> 3-4 years ago.  My original series Bombadil was clear coated, and the finish 
> is still solid.  Grant's comments imply some sort of salt issues related 
> perhaps to sea air.  Of course, North Dakota is about as inland as it gets. 
> Should someone with a clear coat finish anticipate a paint job to preserve 
> the frame?
> Thanks,
> David Sprunger
> Fargo, ND
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Re: [RBW] Re: What happened to clear powder coating

[David Yu Greenblatt]

Mike,

Couldn't you use clear nail polish for touch up, as Thomas suggested?

David G
Madison WI


On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Mike S  wrote:

> I have a 2.5 year old Quickbeam that's accumulating some pretty good
> beausage, which I'm currently fine with. However, if I were to re-
> finish, I think the clear powder-coating would be my 1st choice. The
> only concern I have is what you do when a clear powder-coat gets
> dinged, meaning what would one use for touch up work? I tend to be
> hard on stuff, and I know any finish would soon require touch up.
>
> For those with the CPC, what have you used for this purpose? Also,
> where would one have to send a bike to get this done, I assume there's
> a contractor Rivendell knows? Any idea what the cost is?
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Dec 8, 9:21 am, "Allingham II, Thomas J"
>  wrote:
> > There have been a few posts on this in the past.  I have a Bomba that
> was originally clear powder coated.  The bike lived for its first summer at
> my house at the Jersey shore, literally 20 yards from the saltwater
> Intracoastal Waterway, and after that summer I noticed that it was
> developing some small rust spots.  It was my first Rivendell, and my first
> "nice" bike, and I had what I now think of as a bit of an obsessive fear
> that something was going "wrong" with it.  So I had it repainted (which,
> BTW, Riv volunteered to contribute to the cost of, entirely without
> complaint; with the benefit of hindsight, I don't think they needed to do
> that, and I probably shouldn't have accepted).  There are, I believe, lots
> of clear powdercoated Rivs out there with no problems at all, and the
> notion that a few rust spots is really a "problem" could certainly be
> debated.  (I think a few of those bikes are identified in a string on the
> Bombadil group on Flickr, and I think Esteban on this list had a Protovelo
> that experienced no issues.)
> >
> > I'm on the Mystery Bike list, and I don't plan to use that bike at the
> Shore; since it will be living inland in Delaware, if GP and the crew will
> allow it in light of my history on the Bomba, I might very well choose to
> have this bike clear powdercoated.  My Bomba in its original finish was the
> prettiest bike I've ever seen (subjective judgment, of course), and if it
> develops a little rust over time, well, that's what steel does, and that's
> why clear nail polish was invented, I guess.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Sprunger
> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 9:03 AM
> > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: [RBW] What happened to clear powder coating
> >
> > In reading Grant's latest post about the new mystery bike, I noted his
> comments on potential clear powder coating of the frame.  That remark made
> me wonder what happened to clear powder coat option that was promoted
> heavily 3-4 years ago.  My original series Bombadil was clear coated, and
> the finish is still solid.  Grant's comments imply some sort of salt issues
> related perhaps to sea air.  Of course, North Dakota is about as inland as
> it gets. Should someone with a clear coat finish anticipate a paint job to
> preserve the frame?
> > Thanks,
> > David Sprunger
> > Fargo, ND
>

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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike: Built, Explained

[Patrick in VT]

On Dec 7, 7:04 pm, Mike  wrote:
 Although my hands down favorite name for a Riv bike would be
> the "Ignatius J. Reilly".  I'll just shut up now.
>
+1.  This bike will make many valves close as it lacks a certain
theology and geometry held closely by the confederacy of dunces.

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[RBW] Re: What happened to clear powder coating

[William]

I've got a powdercoat idea for my next frameset, but it's not clear powder 
coat.  I did a lot of brevets in 2011 and in 2012 I'm going to attempt 
stretching out to longer events which will include much more night riding. 
 When I built up a dynamo wheelset, I got the rims powdercoated with 
retroreflective coating.  They look dark grey in daylight and bright white 
at night in headlights.  I'm going to get a frameset coated in it one of 
these years.  

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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike: Built, Explained

[William]

And it covers the Francophilia Grant wanted to poke at, since the J stands 
for Jacques.  

"Myrna Minkoff" might make my magical mixte

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RE: [RBW] Re: What happened to clear powder coating

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

cool concept


From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of William
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 4:51 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: What happened to clear powder coating

I've got a powdercoat idea for my next frameset, but it's not clear powder 
coat.  I did a lot of brevets in 2011 and in 2012 I'm going to attempt 
stretching out to longer events which will include much more night riding.  
When I built up a dynamo wheelset, I got the rims powdercoated with 
retroreflective coating.  They look dark grey in daylight and bright white at 
night in headlights.  I'm going to get a frameset coated in it one of these 
years.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike: Built, Explained

[robert zeidler]

Maybe if they do indeed stiffen the rear triangle, the chainstays and
seatstays could be minimized a bit, lending a more elegant look to it.
 Not sure how that would play against the multi-tube front, but those,
like wise could be ever so smaller.  Sorry, GP, just thinking out
loud.

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 6:44 PM, grant  wrote:
> They're not "tentacle" stays...they're "tentacular" !   Good name.
> Now, if I could only come up with a theory to explain the asymmetry.
>
> The truth is, when I sent my drawing to Taiwan (yes,this may be a
> production bike at some distant point), I sent symmetrical stays, more
> like the one of the drive side. When I got back their interpretation,
> they were asymmetrical, like you see here. My first reaction was
> exactly what anybody's would have been: "What'sit? Why? Who said to do
> that? It's  not what I'd expect--that kind of loosey goosey
> creativity---from a do-as-you're-told Taiwanese CAD dude." THen, about
> five seconds later, I loved it, welcomed it, and that was it.
>
> They have to have an effect, and the effect has to be a slight
> stiffening or reinforcing. They can't NOT do that.  The task is simple
> and I like how they look, and so Tapebubba is kind of right.
>
> HS: Early on, I was thinking of this as a super slack bike. A slacker
> bike. A Slackeur...and in keeping with the primate names lately, I
> thought OK, Henri Slackeur..or Henriettta Slackeuse, for the fairer
> sex there. But it seemed like too much of a joke on the American fad
> of Frenchifying everything...not that we've never done that, but the
> door is shut on it for now, at least.
>
> The current working model name is Abner Thorp...but I think that may
> be too harsh for some, so it's far from final. It could be Rosco
> Bubbe, even tho that was going to be for the kid's bike that probably
> won't happen. I do like that name a lot. Right now I'm not thinking
> much about the name (and please no suggestions, so I don't feel
> horrible for not taking them, if I don't). I figure anybody who can
> handle the curvey T-stays and the overall idea of the bike can also
> handle a slightly out-of-bounds name, but it won't be H. Slackeur/
> Slackeuse.
>
> SIze on a production model, if it happens, will be 50.7, 54.3, 58.7,
> 61.7. The smally will have 650B. The two bigs, 700c. The 54.3 I got
> has 700c, but final may be 650B. The 650B Bettys we have a really boss-
> riding bikes, and Dave here is rooting for it. I don't know yet.
>
>
> On Dec 7, 1:47 pm, William  wrote:
>> Still no explanation for the "HS" though.  I wonder...
>
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