Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 1992 Bridgestone RB-1
I'm partial to my '86 (maybe '87) neon-green-and-yellow MB-2. '80s baby! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/sgvDxK8gm6QJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Why I Aspire
For practical purposes, nobody NEEDS an expensive bike. I've often thought I could collect a small number of old Schwinn Travelers or the like - a couple to ride, and others for parts - and keep my bicycling expenses to near-zero. On the other hand, there is plenty of middle ground between the Schwinn-pile and the $3000+ Riv. For me, the happy middle-point is somewhere in the Surly line-up. The bikes are nice and well-designed, but don't generally evoke the reverent worship that a lot of people seem to feel for Rivs. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/EOs_fnc-C3AJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Why I Aspire
I'm in that camp, Jim. My Sam is my "nice" bike, LHT is my commuter. I think it's great that between Surly, Soma and a few others the world is full of really good $400 bike frames -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/cgVzKoCjXNUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Why I Aspire
I have been thinking about this a lot lately as my Sam begins to show some dings and scratches - I take awesome care of it, and pay attention when I set it up against things, etc etc, but it's a bike, and i love riding it, and it has some scratches on it, and i even love the scratches! I got the Sam because the bike can do anything that i would want to ride a bike for, would seem silly to get all worked up about keeping it pristine and not ride it. I never thought i would feel that way until having spent some time riding it. I don't currently have a beater, just the sam. I am going to build it up to ride it in the winter (here in VT) instead of getting a beater as a winter bike. It's too much fun to ride to think of riding something else. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/d8xNAg1YkSoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Orbea fork crown clearance
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Q6l6dspeBwE/TsJyWmV6tBI/Xs8/tskHkeIBWvg/s1600/squirrel%2Bin%2Bfork.jpg This proves that Orbeas do have room for 32s and fenders. Read the backstory here: http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/ -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Another Winters Run - YouTube
I've got to learn about the editing and such on these. Looks like fun. RGZ On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Eric Norris wrote: > Video from today's ride. Riv content: I was on my Riv-ish lugged steel fixie, > riding on a Brooks saddle and carrying a Carradice bag. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_x8Ts24dMo > > --Eric > campyonly...@me.com > www.campyonly.com > www.wheelsnorth.org > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Why I Aspire
Before I bought my Atlantis, I had narrowed the field to 2-3 bikes. I wanted a bike for my daily commute to replace my sturdy Giant hybrid, but also to use it for touring. The only negative that I could come up with for the Atlantis was that it was such a beautiful bike, it would be a shame for it to have to take the beating of a daily commute. After all, I had used the Giant for 5-6 years and it was quite beaten up. I am so happy that I overcame this thought because it gives me pleasure every day to ride it. Not only is it aesthetically pleasing, but it is a pleasure to ride. I want to ride it because it is a beautiful bike. Yes, it does show the kind of normal wear you would expect from commuting and touring, but, to conjure up a phrase from my service days, it's growing "salty", i.e., nicely aged and weathered and most importantly, enjoyed. To reiterate the thought: a bike is for riding. If the $$ isn't a barrier, do it! On Nov 14, 10:21 am, Tim McNamara wrote: > On Nov 14, 2011, at 12:53 AM, Bob wrote: > > > Someday I will own one of the lovely-lugged bicycles that are the > > subject of this group. As I've mentioned, the thing that keeps me > > aspiring is the thought of doing this to such a nice bike: > > >http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170728473966#ht_... > > > This is what my bicycles look like after moderate use. > > Time for some individual philosophy: it's a bike not a holy relic. Way too > many people buy a nice custom bike, the bike of their dreams, and then don't > ride it. To me few things in cycling are sadder than a 10 year old custom > bike that still has the original tires, no dirt on it and unblemished paint. > Be a bike rider, not a bike polisher. > > Beausage. Learn it. Live it. ;-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Why I Aspire
I added a nice dose of beausage to my Quickbeam yesterday, and right in front of another Riv-rider, too. The small rack on the front makes the wheel flop over more easily, and the bike tipped over until the top tube hit the stucco... ouch! A nice bruise, up high, visible... but I can live with it, this is a City Bike commuter. Nothing a dab of nail polish won't help. - Andrew, Berkeley On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 09:21 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote: > > > Time for some individual philosophy: it's a bike not a holy relic. Way > too many people buy a nice custom bike, the bike of their dreams, and then > don't ride it. To me few things in cycling are sadder than a 10 year old > custom bike that still has the original tires, no dirt on it and > unblemished paint. Be a bike rider, not a bike polisher. > > > > Beausage. Learn it. Live it. ;-) > > At the same time, there's no need to be an absolute slob about it, > either. You can ride many tens of thousands of miles and not accumulate > dents and scratches, and there aren't many people who will buy a nice > custom and use it as a beater. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Ride Report On New Saluki
Reading about Seattle in November inspired me to upload pics of my first 50 miles on the Saluki at the Brooklyn Waterfront under the Verrazzano Bridge. I mean 60 Degrees in NY in November is just amazing. Got two compliments from some gents in thier 70s on bikes that looked like they got them when they were in high school, but hey it was inspiring to think I could still be riding 40 years from now on the Saluki! Link to some pics I snapped when I stopped for a mentos break. http://www.flickr.com/photos/67889635@N06/?saved=1 Bike rides just amazing and is so comfortable compared to anything else I have owned. Seriously thinking about selling my MB2 to put a down payment on an Atlantis so I can have something to go offroad upstate... but have to wait until the spring or my wife would seriously kill me in my sleep, hahaha! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] 40oz Klean Kanteen Cages?
Has anyone ever seen bottle cages that could hold a 40 oz klean kanteen? The website has some for the 27oz bottles, but I thought it would be nice to have the bigger bottles too. I don't think it would interfere with pedaling...maybe I'm wrong. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 40oz Klean Kanteen Cages?
Would the Salsa "Anything Cage" work for this? http://salsacycles.com/components/anything_cage/ On Nov 15, 10:32 am, futch wrote: > Has anyone ever seen bottle cages that could hold a 40 oz klean > kanteen? The website has some for the 27oz bottles, but I thought it > would be nice to have the bigger bottles too. I don't think it would > interfere with pedaling...maybe I'm wrong. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Ride Report On New Saluki
On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 13:29 -0800, Peter M wrote: > Reading about Seattle in November inspired me to upload pics of my > first 50 miles on the Saluki at the Brooklyn Waterfront under the > Verrazzano Bridge. I mean 60 Degrees in NY in November is just > amazing. Got two compliments from some gents in thier 70s on bikes > that looked like they got them when they were in high school, but hey > it was inspiring to think I could still be riding 40 years from now on > the Saluki! Link to some pics I snapped when I stopped for a mentos > break. http://www.flickr.com/photos/67889635@N06/?saved=1 Bike rides > just amazing and is so comfortable compared to anything else I have > owned. Seriously thinking about selling my MB2 to put a down payment > on an Atlantis so I can have something to go offroad upstate... but > have to wait until the spring or my wife would seriously kill me in my > sleep, hahaha! If "offroad" to you means unpaved roads, the Saluki might well be all you need. I had a Saluki on the Riv Rally East this May, with some very nice dirt road riding, and it was just fine. Photos here: http://www.flickr.com/groups/1691409@N23/pool/show/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 40oz Klean Kanteen Cages?
If the bolt patter on the Salsa cage is problematic, you may want to try a Bike Buddy. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 40oz Klean Kanteen Cages?
Topeak Modula cage with minor modification works great. You only get one, though, as there isn't room for a second on any of my frames...unless I get creative with the zip-ties. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/G2hIC1RuqUcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 40oz Klean Kanteen Cages?
Anything cage doesn't work. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/mjQQyhyfoYwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Orbea fork crown clearance
This post needs a warning. A little Rivendell content would be good, too. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/R7Omfy_7utEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Bon Voyage
It was bittersweet to read the BLUG today. Jay is leaving Riv, but is leaving for great reasons, it seems. I'm sure a lot of us have worked with him and wish him well. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/z0TXJmjEAlYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Double top tube video star
Check it out: Mark Ronson & The Business Intl - The Bike Songhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVELTxKRoHA Joe Bartoe Synaptic Cycles Bicycle Rentals, Inc. email: j...@synapticcycles.com website: www.synapticcycles.com Twitter: @synapticcycles phone: 949-374-6079 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bon Voyage
I have Jay to thank for my Supernova lighting up the Vermont backroads on these fall nights. He was definitely a nice dude, I wish him well! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/BcAUWoXihoQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Ride photos
Here are some rides tires. Nice bike porn. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/sets/72157628002810259/ Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/bv44U8zPsb8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Ride photos
Nice photos! Glad your message snuck by my porn filter ... --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org On Nov 15, 2011, at 6:36 PM, Kelly Sleeper wrote: > Here are some rides tires. Nice bike porn. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/sets/72157628002810259/ > > Kelly > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/bv44U8zPsb8J. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Ride photos
Cool photos. Especially the one with Red Atlantis: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/6344375151/in/set-72157628002810259 And in a merger of threads, it was Jay who assisted me in getting my own Atlantis painted red with new braze-ons. Gonna miss seeing Jay at Rivendell. -Jim W. -Original Message- >From: Kelly Sleeper >Sent: Nov 15, 2011 6:36 PM >To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com >Subject: [RBW] Ride photos > >Here are some rides tires. Nice bike porn. > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/sets/72157628002810259/ > >Kelly > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW >Owners Bunch" group. >To view this discussion on the web visit >https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/bv44U8zPsb8J. >To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: 59cm Bleriot F+F w/ headset and BB
Hey All for sale is a 59cm Bleriot Frame/fork/headset/and bottom bracket. The headset is a Tange and the BB is Shimano I think. frame is 10/10 functionally no dents or dings and 8/10 cosmetically with some usual nicks and scratches. I am the second owner, and I bought it from a gent who bought it from Riv. Asking $700, plus whatever it costs to ship. email for pics. I posted this last week and didnt have the means to include pics, but now I do!thanks-Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 40oz Klean Kanteen Cages?
I think that would work! Thanks! On Nov 15, 10:58 am, Roger wrote: > Would the Salsa "Anything Cage" work for > this?http://salsacycles.com/components/anything_cage/ > > On Nov 15, 10:32 am, futch wrote: > > > > > > > > > Has anyone ever seen bottle cages that could hold a 40 oz klean > > kanteen? The website has some for the 27oz bottles, but I thought it > > would be nice to have the bigger bottles too. I don't think it would > > interfere with pedaling...maybe I'm wrong. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Ride Report On New Saluki
Hmm, I would love to get out there on some fire roads upstate. Cant tell what kind of rubber you are using though. I have the grand bois hetres which do a great job on the pothole riddled roads here in Brooklyn but you think they would be ok for soft dirt/gravel paths. I only ask because they really have no "tread" to speak of to grab into the softer stuff. Thanks for any advice you can offer. Peter On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 13:29 -0800, Peter M wrote: > > Reading about Seattle in November inspired me to upload pics of my > > first 50 miles on the Saluki at the Brooklyn Waterfront under the > > Verrazzano Bridge. I mean 60 Degrees in NY in November is just > > amazing. Got two compliments from some gents in thier 70s on bikes > > that looked like they got them when they were in high school, but hey > > it was inspiring to think I could still be riding 40 years from now on > > the Saluki! Link to some pics I snapped when I stopped for a mentos > > break. http://www.flickr.com/photos/67889635@N06/?saved=1 Bike rides > > just amazing and is so comfortable compared to anything else I have > > owned. Seriously thinking about selling my MB2 to put a down payment > > on an Atlantis so I can have something to go offroad upstate... but > > have to wait until the spring or my wife would seriously kill me in my > > sleep, hahaha! > > If "offroad" to you means unpaved roads, the Saluki might well be all > you need. I had a Saluki on the Riv Rally East this May, with some very > nice dirt road riding, and it was just fine. Photos here: > http://www.flickr.com/groups/1691409@N23/pool/show/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Ride Report On New Saluki
on 11/15/11 11:26 AM, Peter Morgano at uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm, I would love to get out there on some fire roads upstate. Cant tell what kind of rubber you are using though. I have the grand bois hetres which do a great job on the pothole riddled roads here in Brooklyn but you think they would be ok for soft dirt/gravel paths. I only ask because they really have no "tread" to speak of to grab into the softer stuff. Thanks for any advice you can offer. I've worked my way slowly to the opinion that for me and my riding, smooth tires such as the Jack Browns work under a very, very wide range of conditions. Now, granted, I've spent a few hours on trails on a variety of tires and bicycles, and there are certainly conditions where the added bite of a few knibblies is helpful. And, I'm also pretty comfortable in the odd two-wheeled drift on the dirt track. But, I'd venture widely, take small bites and see where adhesion and experience line up. Taking a little air out and being mindful of weight distribution will make you a better rider. Staying relaxed and keeping the bike underneath you helps as well. Others may have an opinon on the toughness of the GB Hetres off-pavement, but as far as smooth tires go, I'd say give it a whirl. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com "That which is overdesigned, too highly specific, anticipates outcome; the anticipation of outcome guarantees, if not failure, the absence of grace." William Gibson - "All Tomorrow's Parties" -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.