[RBW] Re: Atlantis frame

[Gary]

I'd be interested. Just sent a message to you directly too.
Gary

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fancy Hub Conundrum: Chris King vs. White Industries vs. Hope

[Steven Frederick]

Oh, man-loudest hubs I EVER heard were the first-generation Hugi's I
had some years ago.  They were ridiculous.  Good hubs, though...

Steve

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 2:07 AM, Philip Williamson
 wrote:
> There Is No Escaping The Angry Bee.
>
>  Philip
>
> On Nov 3, 3:21 pm, Joe Bartoe  wrote:
>> The answer to the angry bee sound of a King hub is to keep pedaling. 
>> Coasting is for sissies!
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> Joe Bartoe
>>
>> Synaptic Cycles Bicycle Rentals, Inc.
>> email: j...@synapticcycles.com
>> website:www.synapticcycles.com
>> Twitter: @synapticcycles
>>
>> phone: 949-374-6079
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 15:05:42 -0700
>> > Subject: [RBW] Re: Fancy Hub Conundrum: Chris King vs. White Industries 
>> > vs. Hope
>> > From: clotht...@gmail.com
>> > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>>
>> > Agreed. Bought a King cassette hub for the Bleriot thinking I'd do my
>> > part for the local economy/support the Home Team, etc... never again.
>> > Love Chris' headsets, but The Angry Bee is not for me. Thousands of
>> > miles on it, still louder than a Tea Party get-together at a Metallica
>> > concert.
>>
>> > On an average night, my wife & daughter can hear me coming home from a
>> > ride: 4 houses away, while they're inside.
>>
>> > No Ninja riding with a King rear hub.
>>
>> > I'm either going back to Phil or White after this hub dies--or I shoot
>> > it.
>>
>> > -Scott
>>
>> > On Nov 3, 1:04 pm, Allan in Portland  wrote:
>> > > FWIW, you couldn't give me a Chris King. The hubs are all over Portland.
>> > > Too loud, too NASCAR. The WI, which came to me through purchase of a used
>> > > bike, I find pleasant in both looks and sound. It is also incredibly
>> > > smooth. It spins down a stop like no other wheel I've owned.
>>
>> > > Regards,
>> > > -Allan
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[RBW] Re: I really dislike sales tax

[Leslie]

60/day!  That's why there was a lack of box-art (I always look for sharpie 
sketches on boxes from Riv).  (Is that a new-bike-thing only?) 

Yeah, when the tubes/tires/roll arrived the other day, I was expecting a 
box half the size, was surprised;  but I'm *not* complaining, it came 
quickly, w/ everything ordered, etc., no problems at all.  But, Jenny 
getting 60 out in a day, she's hustlin'!  

Go Jenny!

:)


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[RBW] New custom Saluki substitute

[Steven Frederick]

In the fancy hub thread, Jeffrey Kane kindly suggested:

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 4:36 PM, jeffrey kane  wrote:
> Steve, I think it's high time you posted some pics of that custom with
> a little review!!!

Heh, yeah-it's not a Riv so I've resisted.  It turned out well--fits
me well and rides nicely.  Some of the little details aren't quite as
sorted as I'd hoped--the builder didn't have much experience producing
Rivish frames, and was in the middle of a move when we did business,
so things got confused.  But overall, I'm pretty satisfied with it.

It's steeper angled (seat-tube mainly--front geometry is based on my
650b Quickbeam) and sportier than the Saluki, fits Hetres with fenders
easily, and, being built of a lighter tubeset, suits my weight and
riding style a bit better.

Pics in my photostream:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/40738390@N08/6138143271/in/photostream

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[RBW] WTT or WTB: Marathon Dureme 40's

[jandrews_nyc]

Hi, 
I have a new pair of Marathon Dureme 50's that I've ridden for no more than 
10 miles.  They are excellent and so much fun, but I can't realistically 
use them on my Hillborne with Fenders.   I'd like to trade for a new pair 
of Marathon Dureme 40's.  I've thought of keeping them and using them 
sans-fenders once in awhile...and I may still do that, but just putting the 
feelers out there.  Does anyone have a pair of 40's they like to sell or 
trade for 50's?
thanks
Jason

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[RBW] Re: Fancy Hub Conundrum: Chris King vs. White Industries vs. Hope

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I've been building a fair number of wheels on the White Industries hubs, 
and compared to some other high-end hubs, they seem to be a bargain in 
terms of price and quality. For my own bikes, I've gradually been thinning 
the herd of boutique parts, and now my hub of choice is the Shimano XT 770 
series - lightweight, strong, reliable, and affordable.

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[RBW] Re: I really dislike sales tax

[Marty]

In my recent experience, the team is getting so efficient that they 
actually sent me an order in advance of placing it! Well, actually I was 
surprised last week when a box showed up from Riv unexpectedly that 
contained the same items I had received the week before. (It's fun enough 
getting one you expect, but coming home to a surprise package really got my 
heart racing.) Both were very nicely packed! Box #2 is going back this 
weekend of course, after I alerted the team and was assured that it was not 
some glitch with the new site. BTW, it's a few last bits for my silver 
Bombadil, so stay tuned for more pics this weekend. 

Marty

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fancy Hub Conundrum: Chris King vs. White Industries vs. Hope

[cyclotourist]

Thanks Jim, the Whites do seem to be priced well.  As for the Shimanos,
those are still in the running.  The 770s are nice, I need disc so am
looking at the M756 models.  Do you/anyone else know if those are still
have steel axles?

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 6:52 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
thill@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been building a fair number of wheels on the White Industries hubs,
> and compared to some other high-end hubs, they seem to be a bargain in
> terms of price and quality. For my own bikes, I've gradually been thinning
> the herd of boutique parts, and now my hub of choice is the Shimano XT 770
> series - lightweight, strong, reliable, and affordable.
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[RBW] Re: Somewhat esoteric mechanical maneuver. Removing a freehub body from a rear hub

[William]

 

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[RBW] Re: Somewhat esoteric mechanical maneuver. Removing a freehub body from a rear hub

[William]

Well if the Tinker wants to see video, then I'll get to editing.  :)  

My kids did the shots, and I expect there is substantial editing to do.  
I'll get right on it!

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[RBW] Re: build differences in hilsens

[William]

My 650B Hilsen has the plastic guide, and double eyelets on the rear 
dropout.  I bought it from Riv in Oct 2010.

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Re: [RBW] Re: build differences in hilsens

[Bruce Herbitter]

The Toyo built 650B shows the same BB set up, chain stays. amd drop outs
as the Saluki. The Wf'd 700 has typical WI details. The Hillbornes made
there has the same drop outs for example, and I think the same plastic
screw on cable guides.

I strongly prefer the look of un dented stays, but it may not matter to
others.

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Re: [RBW] Re: build differences in hilsens

[Joe Bernard]

My 650b has built-in BB grooves, double eyelets. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fancy Hub Conundrum: Chris King vs. White Industries vs. Hope

[Michael_S]

The 756 model has cro-mo axles, the later models switched to aluminum axles 
to save weight. Due to the lower mechanical properties of aluminum  they 
had to make the axle larger in diameter which resulted in making the ball 
bearings smaller to fit inside the hub body. Now whether this decreases the 
life of the bearings I have not seen any data that reflects that, but in 
general larger ball bearing are a good thing.  
 
~mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: I really dislike sales tax

[Tim McNamara]

On Nov 4, 2011, at 7:39 AM, Leslie wrote:

> 60/day!  That's why there was a lack of box-art (I always look for sharpie 
> sketches on boxes from Riv).  (Is that a new-bike-thing only?) 
> 
> Yeah, when the tubes/tires/roll arrived the other day, I was expecting a box 
> half the size, was surprised;  but I'm *not* complaining, it came quickly, w/ 
> everything ordered, etc., no problems at all.  But, Jenny getting 60 out in a 
> day, she's hustlin'!  
> 
> Go Jenny!

That's an order packed about every 8 minutes in an 8 hour day.  Holy Smokes!

And YAY for Rivendell *having* 60 orders a day to send out!!!

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[RBW] Re: build differences in hilsens

[William]

Did I mention that my A. Homer Hilsen also levitates, trues it's own 
wheels, and self-inflates his tires to the perfect pressure every ride.  

A. Homer Hilsen has *never *done a trackstand

A. Homer Hilsen doesn't always wear fenders, but when he does, he prefers 
SKS silver plastics 

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[RBW] Dang, tempting...

[William]

First we read this Blug post about awesome Ritchey tandemwork:

http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/12213168006/bare-tom

Then we see this timecapsule for sale:

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/2677267863.html

step away from the checkbook.

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis frame

[muckum]

Riding.

On Nov 3, 8:22 pm, Mike  wrote:
> Where were you 6 months ago when I was obsessively lusting for a 64cm
> Atlantis?
>
> --mike
>
> On Nov 3, 5:12 pm, muckum  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Anyone in the market for an Atlantis frame 64cm?
> > Very good condition.
> > I am considering doing another build on a new frame with my current
> > components.

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[RBW] Re: New custom Saluki substitute

[chadk]

Not much fender clearance on the front wheel.  Yikes!

Maybe you could file a bit off the bottom of the fork crown?

Other than that, looks like a nice bike.  Congrats!

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[RBW] Re: New custom Saluki substitute

[jeffrey kane]

Well look at that! Beautiful color, beautiful fork crown and well, V
Brakes no less!!! (man, I really miss my old XT's ...).

So please tell then: What are the tube set specs?

On Nov 4, 8:48 am, Steven Frederick  wrote:
> In the fancy hub thread, Jeffrey Kane kindly suggested:
>
> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 4:36 PM, jeffrey kane  wrote:
> > Steve, I think it's high time you posted some pics of that custom with
> > a little review!!!
>
> Heh, yeah-it's not a Riv so I've resisted.  It turned out well--fits
> me well and rides nicely.  Some of the little details aren't quite as
> sorted as I'd hoped--the builder didn't have much experience producing
> Rivish frames, and was in the middle of a move when we did business,
> so things got confused.  But overall, I'm pretty satisfied with it.
>
> It's steeper angled (seat-tube mainly--front geometry is based on my
> 650b Quickbeam) and sportier than the Saluki, fits Hetres with fenders
> easily, and, being built of a lighter tubeset, suits my weight and
> riding style a bit better.
>
> Pics in my photostream:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/40738390@N08/6138143271/in/photostream

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[RBW] Re: Fancy Hub Conundrum: Chris King vs. White Industries vs. Hope

[numbnuts]

DT Swiss, in particular the 240s, are the best hubs out there. I mention 
them because no one else has.

Otherwise, the others mentioned are nice, in their own ways.

No need to clog up the thread with details about the 240s, since the OP 
didn't ask about them, but if anyone wants to hear the 'whys' of my 
opinion, off list maybe.

All the best,
Chris
Redding, Ca.

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[RBW] Re: Are there any other BOBs located in Taiwan?

[Chris]

Hey James,

Did anyone respond?  I grew up in Taiwan.  It'd be nice to know that
there's a ROB/BOB community there.  Where in Taipei/Taiwan do you
usually go for rides?

Chris

On Oct 28, 4:21 am, James Chang  wrote:
>  Hi all,
>
> Just wondering if I there are other ROB/BOBs located in, Taipei, Taiwan
> looking to ride together on weekends.  I have been in Taiwan for about 10
> years now.  Originally from Walnut Creek, just 10 minutes away from Grant's
> house.  I ride a '93 mostly stock RB-1 (original owner, too).  Would be neat
> to know if there are other ROB/BOBs in the area to meet and chat about lug
> steel and all things wool.
>
> James Chang
>
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[RBW] Re: build differences in hilsens

[Allan in Portland]

I think the differences are more vintage than wheel size. FWIW, my 
Waterford Hilsen (my recollection is Waterford frames are identifiable by 
the 3rd set of bottle bosses) is 700C and has all the same distinguishing 
features of the 650B in the photos you posted.

Or maybe it's a 650B and I've not noticed! :-) It has Silver brakes and the 
pads are dead center of the slot. I've read somewhere that's the mark of a 
builder that doesn't trust his tape measure. ;-) Though, I'm not sure I 
could take a bottom bracket any lower though. I've struck either my foot or 
the pedal on the pavement pedaling through a turn probably a half dozen 
times in the last few months. Fortunately, they've all been grazing 
strikes. Just enough to get my attention and make me gulp. Once as I 
teenage I had a hard pedal strike lift the back wheel off the ground and 
laid me over flat on my side to skid my ankle, hip, and elbow about to the 
bone. It haunts me still.

-Allan
 

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RE: [RBW] Shimano CX70 cantilever?

[John Speare]

And to make it Riv-specific, here's the CX70 on a Legolas:
http://tinyurl.com/3veblmp

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
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To: 'rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: [RBW] Shimano CX70 cantilever?

I've not set up the R550's but I've ridden them and they're the brake that made 
me buy the CX70, which ahs a similar fixed straddle cable set up and geometry.

W/out looking/comparing the two, I'd guess the 70's are shimano'd - nicer 
finish, and slightly lighter - than the 550's, but it's possible they could be 
a different geo.

If you like brakes where you squeeze the lever all the way through to modulate, 
then you'll dig these brakes (both 550 and 70's). Set up properly, the levers 
don't bottom out, but you get a full handful of braking to skid.

If you like more of the v-brake feel, where you're instantly grabbing/stopping 
when you grab the brake, then you may not like them as much.

From: 
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 On Behalf Of bionnaki
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 7:43 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Shimano CX70 cantilever?

how do these compare to BR-R550s?

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:23 PM, stevep33 
mailto:steve...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Does anyone have any anecdotal thumbs up or down thoughts on the Shimano CX70 
cantilevers that Riv sells?  Are they powerful? non-squealy? work when wet?

The Rivendell website writeup is favorable and they look nice.
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[RBW] FS: Still more Paul, Nitto, VO, & Rivendell Parts for sale. Swift rando bag too.

[mkrbec]

Hello everyone,

It seems everyone is cleaning out the old parts closet these days, and
I am no exception.  At the risk of entering a saturated market, I
nonetheless have to get rid of quite of bit of stuff before moving at
the end of the year.  So come one, come all, take a look at what we've
got here and get yourself a deal!


A lot of this stuff is NEW or like new condition.
No sales tax and prices include shipping to the lower 48.
Photos can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/4xst3eh
Payment thru Paypal only, thanks for looking!
- - -

Paul Cross Levers, silver.  Like new, only used for brief experimental
period.  $60 shipped.

Paul Cantilever brake set.  One Neo-Retro and one Touring.  Both
silver, both lightly used.  $100 for the set, shipped.

Nitto 48cm Noodle Bars.  Like new, with some shellac specs, $55
shipped.

One Schwalbe Marathon Supreme folding tire.  26.0 x 2.0 - New in box.
$50 shipped.

Ortlieb Ultimate 5 Handlebar Bag, black.  New in box.  $75 shipped.

Swift Industries, Ozette Rando Bag, Large, NEW! - Never used. $160
shipped.

Nitto Mini-Front Rack - lightly used. - $80 shipped.

Nitto Technomic Deluxe, 10cm.  Lightly used, $40, shipped.

Nitto UI-G5X Threadless Stem, 10cm.  Used with shellac specs, $40
shipped.

Velo-Orange 1" Threaded Decauler Kit, NEW!  $20 shipped.

VO Baguette Saddle or Handlebar Bag, lightly used. - $20 shipped.

Bicycle Air Horn - great shape - $12 shipped.

Kool Stop Brake Pads - NEW! - $5 shipped (per pair).

Tektro Ultra-Ergo drilled silver alloy brake levers - lightly used. -
$90 shipped.

SJS/Thorn 1 1/8" accessory stem, black.  NEW! - $20 shipped.


Much of this is also going up on my local Craigslist, so if you really
want something, don't hesitate for too long.  First come, first
serve.  For sale until it's gone.

Photos for everything can be found here:
https://picasaweb.google.com/mkrbec/ForSale?authuser=0&feat=directlink

THANKS FOR LOOKING!

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[RBW] FS 1984 Stumpjumper Sport

[brian feltovich]

A very Riv-ish bike needs a new home. This is one of the very very early 
production mountain bikes...Specialized Stumpjumper Sport from 1984, I 
believe. My understanding is that the first Stumpy was in '83 and then they 
came out with the Sport model. 

Great all-around frame for city riding, gravel cruising, or sliding around 
fire road downhill runs as originally intended. Biplane fork crown and 
super slack frame angles. Paint in good condition with a  few spots of 
touch up. Fender mounts and room for fat tires...a poor man's Atlantis!

This was purchased from Hiawatha Cyclery about five years ago and has a 
sticker from a bike shop in Oceanside, CA, which is probably the original 
seller. 

Current setup:
Brooks Flyer Special sprung saddle
Paul Neo-Retro canti brakes
Riv Bullmoose bar
No name seat post (Kalloy?)
Tektro mtn levers
Thumbies and 9 sp barcon shifters
Sugino triple (not sure which model)
Shimano 11-32 cassette
LX derailleurs, front and rear
Wheels: Deore LX hubs, not sure of rims
Jagwire cables

Sizing: TT is 57cm c-t-c and seat tube is 55cm c-t-c. I'm 6 ft. and it fits 
fine. 

Pricing: $750 plus actual shipping. I'll have it packed by my LBS and they 
do a great job. 

Questions? Offers? Complaints? Let me know. I hate to sell the bike, but 
the garage is filling up and something has to go.

Brian 
Park City, UT

Photos here:
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[RBW] Question: Best Shiny Bits Cleaning Goop

[Bill Carter]

I recently acquired an 84 Trek 560 from ebay for a project bike, and 
possibly to resell later.  It is basically sound but in bad need of some 
TLC and elbow grease.  What is the best product (or products) to remove 
oxidation and restore the luster to brake calipers, stems, posts and the 
like?  The paint is also rough in places, so any other restoration tips 
would also be appreciated.
 
Thanks in advance,
Bill C.  

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[RBW] Re: build differences in hilsens

[William]

I've run 700C wheels on my 650B Hilsen.  It's only possible with short 
reach brakes and skinny tires.  

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Re: [RBW] Question on cartridge BB

[Rex Kerr]

Adding another voice to the "ride it cracked" crowd.  I've installed,
ridden, and otherwise abused BBs with a crack all of the way across the
threads, and they worked fine for as long as the BB lasted.  Moreover, I
once ground most of the threads off the drive side of a cartridge BB
because the frame wasn't threaded all of the way into the shell, and no
shops have french threaded BB taps anymore.

On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Andrew Johnson wrote:

> I am working over the new 66cm Quickbeam, and saw the cranks were
> flopping, which turned out to be from a loose BB. It's a sealed cartridge
> Shimano unit, had been installed by Riv. I guess the rings came loose, and
> the previous owner hadn't noticed.
>
> BUT... the left side ring is plastic, is that normal? And, it's
> split/cracked across the threads... is that normal? Or a sign of wear and
> fatigue from the floppiness?
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
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Re: [RBW] Re: build differences in hilsens

[Rex Kerr]

Nope... I have a 67cm Waterford built AHH with only two sets of bottle
bosses.

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Allan in Portland wrote:

> I think the differences are more vintage than wheel size. FWIW, my
> Waterford Hilsen (my recollection is Waterford frames are identifiable by
> the 3rd set of bottle bosses) is 700C and has all the same distinguishing
> features of the 650B in the photos you posted.
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[RBW] Re: Question: Best Shiny Bits Cleaning Goop

[Cyclofiend Jim]

It's going to vary by the actual material you are cleaning. If you have 
chromed parts, you have to watch that you don't remove the chrome layer. 
For regular aluminum there's not that specific issue, although if it's a 
highly polished finish, things won't match. Very fine steel wool is a good 
place to start.

It also depends a lot on how badly things are oxidized.  I've used Flitz on 
aluminum parts which were polished and had acceptable results. 

For general restoration questions such as this, you might want to check 
through the iBob list archives as well, and I think there may still be a 
bicycle restoration group over on Yahoo. There's a good deal of knowledge 
posted out there already. 

best of luck with your Trek,

- Jim

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[RBW] Re: FS: Still more Paul, Nitto, VO, & Rivendell Parts for sale. Swift rando bag too.

[Ginz]

I don't see these on your list, so maybe they are already sold ---

I'll take the techtonic brake pads (two pairs)

How many holes are the rhyno lites and what is the asking price?

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Re: [RBW] Re: New custom Saluki substitute

[Steven Frederick]

Yeah, I like V-brakes.  Not classic looking but easier to set up, I
like the way they look and work, and the shape of the newer Cane Creek
V-lever's brake hood is comfortable for me.  I set them up in 10
minutes and they're squeal free, powerful and I have no trouble with
modulation.  YMMV as they say.  B-)

I love that color-inspired by the 1st generation Salsa Cassaroll
golden tan-ish color.  I saw on in person at a shop a few years back
and I've wanted a bike that color ever since.

I had to look back at the specs Scott sent me when we were planning
the bike--he wrote:

"I am using the henry james lugs, true temper OX platnium main tubes
and Dedaccia Zero Uno chain and seatstays."

It has a lively ride quality, though it is still plenty stiff enough.
In fact, I think if it wasn't for the ride quality of the Hetres it
might border on too stiff when unloaded.  I wanted to be able to bash
it down rough dirt paths, seasonlally maintained dirt roads and busted
up pavement, and maybe do some light credit card touring from time to
time, so it's built with hard use in mind)

Steve

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 9:57 AM, jeffrey kane  wrote:
> Well look at that! Beautiful color, beautiful fork crown and well, V
> Brakes no less!!! (man, I really miss my old XT's ...).
>
> So please tell then: What are the tube set specs?
>
> On Nov 4, 8:48 am, Steven Frederick  wrote:
>> In the fancy hub thread, Jeffrey Kane kindly suggested:
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 4:36 PM, jeffrey kane  wrote:
>> > Steve, I think it's high time you posted some pics of that custom with
>> > a little review!!!
>>
>> Heh, yeah-it's not a Riv so I've resisted.  It turned out well--fits
>> me well and rides nicely.  Some of the little details aren't quite as
>> sorted as I'd hoped--the builder didn't have much experience producing
>> Rivish frames, and was in the middle of a move when we did business,
>> so things got confused.  But overall, I'm pretty satisfied with it.
>>
>> It's steeper angled (seat-tube mainly--front geometry is based on my
>> 650b Quickbeam) and sportier than the Saluki, fits Hetres with fenders
>> easily, and, being built of a lighter tubeset, suits my weight and
>> riding style a bit better.
>>
>> Pics in my photostream:
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/40738390@N08/6138143271/in/photostream
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Re: [RBW] Re: New custom Saluki substitute

[Steven Frederick]

Heh, there's room to raise the fender but I haven't gotten around to
it.  It doesn't rub unless the tire picks up some mud but, yeah--the
front of the fender in particular is closer to the tire than it needs
to be...

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 10:48 AM, chadk  wrote:
> Not much fender clearance on the front wheel.  Yikes!
>
> Maybe you could file a bit off the bottom of the fork crown?
>
> Other than that, looks like a nice bike.  Congrats!
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[RBW] Re: build differences in hilsens

[Cyclofiend Jim]

First of all - CONGRATS on getting a Hilsen!

Mine was an early Toyo frame (2007), and had the ridges on the bottom 
bracket shell itself.   Have you popped off the guide to see if it's the 
same bb shell?  

A plethora of Hilsen images from my flickr stream - 
http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=93409214@N00&q=hilsen

It seems like there were a few differences in the rear dropout setup, as 
well as the way the brazing was done.  Single threaded bosses for fender 
fore and aft.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4736723267/

The chainstays seem to have more of an elipse than actual crimping.  It 
ovalizes near the tire area, then rounds again.

I don't know if it's just the lighting, but does yours have the grey-blue 
finish rather than the Rambouillet-matching blue?  Expecting to see a lot 
more images!

yay Hilsen!

- J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fancy Hub Conundrum: Chris King vs. White Industries vs. Hope

[bionnaki]

I think the WI freehub sounds just right. A nice, crisp metallic bu.

you can hear all of these hubs on youtube, btw.
this for example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKbKfxu5_oQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63xVOT1bmbc

I've ridden my H3 hub for awhile...through rain, snow, giant post-rain
puddles...and everything is still smooth. White makes quality
products...and their customer service is excellent.



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> FWIW, you couldn't give me a Chris King. The hubs are all over Portland.
> Too loud, too NASCAR. The WI, which came to me through purchase of a used
> bike, I find pleasant in both looks and sound. It is also incredibly
> smooth. It spins down a stop like no other wheel I've owned.
>
> Regards,
> -Allan
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[RBW] Re: Fancy Hub Conundrum: Chris King vs. White Industries vs. Hope

[Smitty-A-Go-Go]

I have a Hope rear hub on one bike. Like others have said, it is loud. I 
like the sound though... it sounds mechanical and solid. The coasting buzz 
was just a bonus. My reasons reasons for buying it were more vain... 1) it 
came in anodized gold. and 2) The allen bolts (rather than QR) look really 
cool.  
 

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[RBW] Re: Fancy Hub Conundrum: Chris King vs. White Industries vs. Hope

[Bill M.]

Piling on, I have a set of WI's and have owned another set in the
past.   No issues with either set, beautiful finish, light, smooth,
etc. If used in heavy muck I might be concerned a bit with the small
setscrews that hold the end caps of the Whites packing up with crud,
but mine have mostly seen road use and have been no problem.

Bill

On Nov 3, 12:10 pm, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
wrote:
> I'm considering a fancy new wheelset and am looking at hubs.  All
> three listed above have great reputations, and are well regarded.
> From what I've read, Hopes are the loudest, followed by King and then
> White.  Does anyone have first hand knowledge with that?  I'm leaning
> toward White as they look the best to me and are made in CA which
> would be a tie-breaker if necessary.  Any thoughts on the noise or
> anything else (seals, maintenance, resale)?
>
> http://chrisking.com/hubs
>
> http://www.whiteind.com/rearhubs/cassettehubs.html
>
> http://www.hopetech.com/page.aspx?itemID=SPG29

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[RBW] Re: FS: Still more Paul, Nitto, VO, & Rivendell Parts for sale. Swift rando bag too.

[Forrest]

Are the Paul canti brakes still available? I'm real interested. Thanks,  -- 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Still more Paul, Nitto, VO, & Rivendell Parts for sale. Swift rando bag too.

[Forrest]

Are the Paul canti brakes still available? I'm real interested. Thanks,  -- 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Still more Paul, Nitto, VO, & Rivendell Parts for sale. Swift rando bag too.

[Forrest]

Can everyone tell that I'm real interested in the Paul cantis?  -- fm

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[RBW] Re: Question: Best Shiny Bits Cleaning Goop

[Peter Pesce]

Flitz is good. I've also had very good luck on bare metal and chrome with a 
product called Nevr-Dull. It won't remove actual pits or deep scratches, 
but it's fantastic for oxidation/tarnish and light dirt.

http://www.nevrdull.com/page5.html

I think I remember someone telling me it was invented by/for the Navy a 
long time ago to keep the brass shiny on ships.

-Pete

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[RBW] Re: Fancy Hub Conundrum: Chris King vs. White Industries vs. Hope

[Kris]

Just want to through Industry Nine out there...easily on par with the
other hubs mentioned and made in the US (local for me in NC)

http://www.industrynine.net/Hubs



On Nov 3, 9:10 pm, "Bill M."  wrote:
> Piling on, I have a set of WI's and have owned another set in the
> past.   No issues with either set, beautiful finish, light, smooth,
> etc. If used in heavy muck I might be concerned a bit with the small
> setscrews that hold the end caps of the Whites packing up with crud,
> but mine have mostly seen road use and have been no problem.
>
> Bill
>
> On Nov 3, 12:10 pm, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I'm considering a fancy new wheelset and am looking at hubs.  All
> > three listed above have great reputations, and are well regarded.
> > From what I've read, Hopes are the loudest, followed by King and then
> > White.  Does anyone have first hand knowledge with that?  I'm leaning
> > toward White as they look the best to me and are made in CA which
> > would be a tie-breaker if necessary.  Any thoughts on the noise or
> > anything else (seals, maintenance, resale)?
>
> >http://chrisking.com/hubs
>
> >http://www.whiteind.com/rearhubs/cassettehubs.html
>
> >http://www.hopetech.com/page.aspx?itemID=SPG29- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Question: Best Shiny Bits Cleaning Goop

[Marty]

In all its pinky goodness, Simichrome has been my go-to goop for years. 

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[RBW] Re: I really dislike sales tax

[Pete Olson]

I hadn’t noticed before reading this thread that Rivendell carries
Devold; I didn’t think that this brand was imported.  I have a Devold
wool top and a neck warmer from Norway that are very nice.  It is the
centennial of the Amundsen South Pole expedition and here is a
translation of the role of Devold:

1911 - 2011 Amundsen and Devold at the South Pole 100 years ago.

December 14, 2011 is the 100th anniversary of Roald Amundsen and his
expedition reaching the North Pole. This feat made Amundsen one of
history's most famous polar explorers.  To survive in the
extreme climate, expedition members were also dependent on proper
clothing. In 1911, Devold had produced warm clothing made of wool for
over 50 years, and was a well-known supplier of durable wool. As
Nansen had done before him, for the crossing of Greenland, Amundsen
also chose wool from Devold for his expedition. We are proud to have
been part of this event.

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[RBW] Re: Dang, tempting...

[Marty]

That's what I call double trouble there Stevie Ray!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Still more Paul, Nitto, VO, & Rivendell Parts for sale. Swift rando bag too.

[Minh]

Forrest,

I just put a set on my QB and i can say your excitement is
warranted :)
I paid the same price from craigslist so matt's price is really good,
also a good guy to deal with (that SON wheel is still going strong,
thanks Matt!)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fancy Hub Conundrum: Chris King vs. White Industries vs. Hope

[Steven Frederick]

No silver option, though right?

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 9:39 AM, numbnuts  wrote:
> DT Swiss, in particular the 240s, are the best hubs out there. I mention
> them because no one else has.
> Otherwise, the others mentioned are nice, in their own ways.
> No need to clog up the thread with details about the 240s, since the OP
> didn't ask about them, but if anyone wants to hear the 'whys' of my opinion,
> off list maybe.
> All the best,
> Chris
> Redding, Ca.
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[RBW] Re: Fancy Hub Conundrum: Chris King vs. White Industries vs. Hope

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Hi Chris, thanks for throwing the DT option out there.  They seem to
have so many alpha-numberic model names that I didn't even want to
start delving into them.  But the 240 are a good starting place?
Quiet-ish?  I also wonder about American Classic, another line I
really don't know anything about...

On Nov 4, 6:39 am, numbnuts  wrote:
> DT Swiss, in particular the 240s, are the best hubs out there. I mention
> them because no one else has.
>
> Otherwise, the others mentioned are nice, in their own ways.
>
> No need to clog up the thread with details about the 240s, since the OP
> didn't ask about them, but if anyone wants to hear the 'whys' of my
> opinion, off list maybe.
>
> All the best,
> Chris
> Redding, Ca.

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[RBW] Re: Dang, tempting...

[Aaron Thomas]

That's a beauty. Good thing for my pocketbook that I'm in no geographical 
position to pursue it. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question: Best Shiny Bits Cleaning Goop

[Bruce Herbitter]

I've had good results on aluminum and other shiny parts using McGuiar's


http://www.meguiars.com/en/automotive/products/g13508-hot-rimsreg-mag-aluminum-polish/

A little goes a long way.


On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Marty  wrote:

> In all its pinky goodness, Simichrome has been my go-to goop for years.
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[RBW] Re: Question: Best Shiny Bits Cleaning Goop

[Garth]

If the aluminum parts are anodized . there's not much to be done other 
than soap and water and a cleaner way like McGuiar's.
If the parts are not anodized  there's nothing like metal polish like 
Brasso.  It's gentle but really polishes up uncoated aluminum nicely . 
but it takes some labor to rub and rub. 

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[RBW] Re: Fancy Hub Conundrum: Chris King vs. White Industries vs. Hope

[Garth]

What about Phil hubs?  Lickton's aka lickbike.com always has had the best 
prices on Phil hubs :) ... but I've not seen lately. 

Unless you build you own wheels, or can have them built cheaply ... or cost 
is no concern ... I wouldn't recommend  Shimano hubs as they (still) don't 
use cartridge bearings. I won't use anything but hubs with those... as 
they'll last literally forever :)  A wheel is only as good as the 
*cheapest*part.  I prize my Joe Young built wheels ... and would never think of 
skimping on the hub to save a few $$.  We gotta put it into perspective 
 people pay all sorts of money buying stuff that will never last even 
remotely as long as a hub or wheel. ... but when it comes down to spending 
a few $$ extra for a hub or rim .. they balk. . . . blinded by the sense of 
lack and undeservedness.   Spend the money to get what you want and 
celebrate it brother :)

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[RBW] Re: Fancy Hub Conundrum: Chris King vs. White Industries vs. Hope

[Garth]

For rims I've used Mavic's T519/A719's for the last 12 years without flaw. 
Mavic's still use the good ol' double eyelets. 

The DT TK540 is another rim with double eyelets I'd recommend too. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fancy Hub Conundrum: Chris King vs. White Industries vs. Hope

[Tim McNamara]

On Nov 4, 2011, at 3:04 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Chris, thanks for throwing the DT option out there.  They seem to
> have so many alpha-numberic model names that I didn't even want to
> start delving into them.  But the 240 are a good starting place?
> Quiet-ish?  

No.  Loud and somewhat non-reliable (pawl slippage in cold weather).

Many of these boutique hubs have significant design compromises especially in 
pawl design.  They tend to be different for the sake of different and avoiding 
patent issues.  I've had some of the hubs from some of the makers that have 
been talked about, none were better than standard Shimano or Campy hubs in 
terms of performance and most had significant shortcomings.

When it comes to hubs you're really not going to get better performance and 
reliability than you can from Shimano.  If I was going to buy a boutique hub, 
it would be Phil.  They've been at it longer than anyone else in that market 
and have worked the bugs out.  Best of the lot in boutique hubs IMHO.

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[RBW] Re: Fancy Hub Conundrum: Chris King vs. White Industries vs. Hope

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

We are currently in the process of warrantying a newish Phil cassette hub 
that self-destructed. Phil has wonderful customer service, but I'm not sure 
their hubs are necessarily less prone to failure than more mundane options.

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[RBW] Re: Fancy Hub Conundrum: Chris King vs. White Industries vs. Hope

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Shimano is the standby, I'm just checking out the other options :-)

Phils are fine, I'm trying to see what else is out there.  I do like
their ease of serviceability, not sure how I feel about the minimal
seals for the bearings.

On Nov 4, 2:15 pm, Tim McNamara  wrote:
> On Nov 4, 2011, at 3:04 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Hi Chris, thanks for throwing the DT option out there.  They seem to
> > have so many alpha-numberic model names that I didn't even want to
> > start delving into them.  But the 240 are a good starting place?
> > Quiet-ish?
>
> No.  Loud and somewhat non-reliable (pawl slippage in cold weather).
>
> Many of these boutique hubs have significant design compromises especially in 
> pawl design.  They tend to be different for the sake of different and 
> avoiding patent issues.  I've had some of the hubs from some of the makers 
> that have been talked about, none were better than standard Shimano or Campy 
> hubs in terms of performance and most had significant shortcomings.
>
> When it comes to hubs you're really not going to get better performance and 
> reliability than you can from Shimano.  If I was going to buy a boutique hub, 
> it would be Phil.  They've been at it longer than anyone else in that market 
> and have worked the bugs out.  Best of the lot in boutique hubs IMHO.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Grip King Pedals

[Johnny Alien]

Sold

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[RBW] Re: Fancy Hub Conundrum: Chris King vs. White Industries vs. Hope

[Montclair BobbyB]

So many nice hubs out there... Of all the ones I currently own (or
have owned) my faves:

The Kings or Hadleys are my favorite for mountain biking... (Have a
set of each on my Niner MCRs) I love the killer bee sound... never
obnoxious... the sound of ratcheting pawls can bring only joy...
Phil Wood freewheel hub on my Riv Bomba... I simply sleep better at
night (with a smile on my face) just knowing I have a Phil hub
Favorite vintage hub... Older (late 80s/early 90s) Shimano Deore XT
M730s... oh these are nice and they last forever...

But the Whites are so nice, too... as are the Hopes... I don't know if
I've ever really hated a hub in my life... oh, except for the Mavic
Crossland... made me depressed for months

On Nov 3, 3:10 pm, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
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> I'm considering a fancy new wheelset and am looking at hubs.  All
> three listed above have great reputations, and are well regarded.
> From what I've read, Hopes are the loudest, followed by King and then
> White.  Does anyone have first hand knowledge with that?  I'm leaning
> toward White as they look the best to me and are made in CA which
> would be a tie-breaker if necessary.  Any thoughts on the noise or
> anything else (seals, maintenance, resale)?
>
> http://chrisking.com/hubs
>
> http://www.whiteind.com/rearhubs/cassettehubs.html
>
> http://www.hopetech.com/page.aspx?itemID=SPG29

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[RBW] Re: Fancy Hub Conundrum: Chris King vs. White Industries vs. Hope

[Montclair BobbyB]

Jim, I too had a Phil cassette hub fail (busted interior teeth) after
owning a short while... surprised the heck out of me... just didn't
expect it to fail like that... The Phil Pholks replaced it no
questions asked, but I have since opted for the freewheel version...
easier to replace on my own.

On Nov 4, 5:32 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
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> that self-destructed. Phil has wonderful customer service, but I'm not sure
> their hubs are necessarily less prone to failure than more mundane options.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question: Best Shiny Bits Cleaning Goop

[PATRICK MOORE]

Brasso! The stuff works very well. Silvo for more delicate surfaces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brasso

And: the proprietary polish that is sold to polish Nambe' artifacts works
well for delicate stuff, too -- this has a very fine abrasive in it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namb%C3%A9

Patrick "my ex got the Nambe" Moore who loves to use polishes from exotic
foreign lands.

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Peter Pesce  wrote:

> Flitz is good. I've also had very good luck on bare metal and chrome with
> a product called Nevr-Dull. It won't remove actual pits or deep scratches,
> but it's fantastic for oxidation/tarnish and light dirt.
>
> http://www.nevrdull.com/page5.html
>
> I think I remember someone telling me it was invented by/for the Navy a
> long time ago to keep the brass shiny on ships.
>
> -Pete
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[RBW] Off-road tire recommendation?

[Rick]

Looking at a possible loaded touring trip that is turning out to be
(quite) a bit more off road than on, and considering alternatives to
my schwalbe marathons.  What do y'all prefer?  700c Atlantis is the
vehicle.

Thanks,
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[RBW] FS: Size Medium Fargo, $1,250 plus shipping

[PATRICK MOORE]

Low miles; I am the second owner but both the first and I did not use it
much. Paint excellent, parts and bearings excellent.

I will have it packed and shipped at exact cost by a LBS.

Immediately pre-suspension model.

SRAM 9 sp rear cassette hub, DH D72 front, Velocity 27 mm rims, Ritchey 40
mm cyclocross  tires

Easton 10 cm stem holding 46 cm Noodles

Avid BB 7 disks with Cane Creek drop bar levers

UN 71 BB, Sugino XD2 triple, 46/36/24

M324 Pedals

IQ Fly headlamp

Crystal Fellow sp

Turbo saddle

Will reduce price per negotiations if buyer leaves pedals and saddle.

Happy to send photos to the seriously interested.





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Re: [RBW] Off-road tire recommendation?

[cyclotourist]

Nanoraptors are hard to beat.  But that's getting pretty big...


On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Rick  wrote:

> Looking at a possible loaded touring trip that is turning out to be
> (quite) a bit more off road than on, and considering alternatives to
> my schwalbe marathons.  What do y'all prefer?  700c Atlantis is the
> vehicle.
>
> Thanks,
> Rick.
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Re: [RBW] Off-road tire recommendation?

[Lyle Bogart]

Rick, where are you touring? I've had great success with my Atlantis using
marathon xr 700x40 on fire/forestry roads in New England and the pacific
northwest, single-track and 4WD roads covered with nasty fractured bits of
rock on the Navajo rez in Arizona. Even in thick goat heads, never a flat.
This is with moderate loads--30-50 pounds.

Hope this helps,

lyle

On 4 November 2011 20:28, cyclotourist  wrote:

> Nanoraptors are hard to beat.  But that's getting pretty big...
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Rick  wrote:
>
>> Looking at a possible loaded touring trip that is turning out to be
>> (quite) a bit more off road than on, and considering alternatives to
>> my schwalbe marathons.  What do y'all prefer?  700c Atlantis is the
>> vehicle.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Rick.
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Re: [RBW] Off-road tire recommendation?

[Dan Abelson]

If price is not an issue maybe Marathon Extreme or Marathon Mondial.

Dan Abelson
St. Paul, MN

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Rick  wrote:
> Looking at a possible loaded touring trip that is turning out to be
> (quite) a bit more off road than on, and considering alternatives to
> my schwalbe marathons.  What do y'all prefer?  700c Atlantis is the
> vehicle.
>
> Thanks,
> Rick.
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Re: [RBW] Off-road tire recommendation?

[René Sterental]

+1 for the Mrathon Extremes 700x40...

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 4, 2011, at 9:51 PM, Dan Abelson  wrote:

> If price is not an issue maybe Marathon Extreme or Marathon Mondial.
>
> Dan Abelson
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Rick  wrote:
>> Looking at a possible loaded touring trip that is turning out to be
>> (quite) a bit more off road than on, and considering alternatives to
>> my schwalbe marathons.  What do y'all prefer?  700c Atlantis is the
>> vehicle.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Rick.
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[RBW] Re: Fancy Hub Conundrum: Chris King vs. White Industries vs. Hope

[Bill M.]

I have a set of Phil cassette hubs.  No issues over several thousand
miles, but they are both very heavy and very expensive.  The WI's are
about a pound lighter for the pair, cost less and work beautifully.

Bill

On Nov 4, 2:15 pm, Tim McNamara  wrote:

> Many of these boutique hubs have significant design compromises especially in 
> pawl design.  They tend to be different for the sake of different and 
> avoiding patent issues.  I've had some of the hubs from some of the makers 
> that have been talked about, none were better than standard Shimano or Campy 
> hubs in terms of performance and most had significant shortcomings.
>
> When it comes to hubs you're really not going to get better performance and 
> reliability than you can from Shimano.  If I was going to buy a boutique hub, 
> it would be Phil.  They've been at it longer than anyone else in that market 
> and have worked the bugs out.  Best of the lot in boutique hubs IMHO.

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