Re: [RBW] Re: Berthold Fender Installation- It went so smooth.. till it didn't.. sheesh
One point: Do not do anything involving bicycles and fasteners over grass. Usually if (WHEN!) you drop one it will become buried under all the grass and not findable. Then you're faced with replacing a usually unique bolt or washer (such as something on a Campy or Shimano part) that may or may not have a thread known to man or a known thread with a uniquely small bolt head. Either way getting a workable replacement can become a major Internet search (ordering a Campy bolt) or fabrication process (improvising a Shimano part) that is at least as challenging as riding that century you were planning for two days hence. Chasing running bolts and washers across basement and garage floors is greatly preferable to replacing parts lost in the grass. Beyond that, Steve is right about keeping your yoga and meditation up to date and making bike work a meditative exercise. Shaking fronds of the correct mix of field grasses in the appropriate directions while mutterring incantations should help a lot, too. Make sure the spirits will help you. On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 15:07 -0700, Michael Hechmer wrote: > > Kelly, thank you, thank you, thank you for the honesty of your post. > > As both an amateur mechanic and amateur woodworker I have been > > repeatedly snookered by "expert" instructions that lulled me into > > thinking something would be straightforward and doable, only to be > > reduced to speaking anglo-saxon. Last night I installed a pair of the > > tektro canti brakes and discoverd that the instructions failed to > > mention that only a mutant with four hands would find this straight > > forward. > > > > I have bikes with plastic, aluminum, and steel fenders but I wouldn't > > ever again install fenders without both rereading the instructions and > > remembering that it will be a PIA. > > Actually, installing Honjo fenders is pretty straightforward - there's > nothing really 'clever' or 'complex' about it - but it's slow and can't > be hurried. Reading the instructions about 20 times for a week or two > ahead of time, and working on visualizing what goes on helps. > Understanding on a deep-down level that it simply cannot be hurried or > sped up helps the most. > > One. Step. At. A. Time. First install. Mark. Remove. Drill. > Reinstall. Mark the next. Remove. Drill. Reinstall. Mark. Remove. > Drill. Reinstall. Breathe. > > Once you get your mind wrapped around the pace - the process as a whole, > but especially the pace - it's not really much of a pain in the a$$. At > least, not until your hand cramps and you drop the parts to the draw > bolt in the grass and can't find them again. It helps a lot to spread > some cloth under where you're working, because your hand is almost > certainly going to cramp and you almost certainly are going to > drop /something/. > > The instructions on the VO and Jitensha web sites are pretty good. So, > too, are the articles published in BQ. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Berthold Fender Installation- It went so smooth.. till it didn't.. sheesh
Kelly, Thanks for the pictures, i have some VO mudflaps that i've been meaning to install and was trying to visualize how low on the front to go! looking good. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Air Travel With a 60cm. Bombadil ... Or other large and long bikes
Can't help with containers, but if you are traveling internationally I highly recommend using non-US carriers. In my experience they are much more likely to check your bike for free as one of your pieces of luggage. Cheers, Gernot On Sep 18, 3:38 am, Garth wrote: > I was wondering if anyone knew if there was any dedicated bike containers > that would fit a 60cm. Bombadil ? ... (or any large and long bike) There's > always the boxes, but I'd rather use something more sturdy if i could. I'm > trying to figure something out for air travel. The frame height is no > problem ... but the extra long wheelbase may be an issue for some > containers. I have zero experience in air travel with a bike . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Berthold Fender Installation- It went so smooth.. till it didn't.. sheesh
The low front is great on the road .. wet roads especially great... however it does drag the grass when I cut t through fields or yards or even bounce off a curb. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/s4d8JZCQR0wJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS - Books, Avocet 50
The Dancing Chain, 2nd edition. Perfect condition. I'll throw in a nice hard-cover Eddy Merckx book too. Both classics! $35 shipped here in the USA. Also a nice nearly new Avocet 50 Altimeter with the original and amazing packaging. I have it listed on e-bay right now, but will end the auction early if anyone jumps in. I'm asking minimum of $100. That sounds like a lot, but this is quite rare, and the packaging alone is incredible. (That and I'm getting close to having enough for a Simpleone.) Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Yf8u2GjaToMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS - Books, Avocet 50
Books are sold. Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/1cUnjM8lX14J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Berthold Fender Installation- It went so smooth.. till it didn't.. sheesh
Alex Wetmore had (has?) a site on his touring tweaks, featuring DIY mudflaps. His reasoning is that a flap blocks more water from soaking your feet, BB, crank, and chain, the lower it's bottom extends. So, as low as you can, as long as any contact with the ground is tolerable. On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Kelly Sleeper wrote: > The low front is great on the road .. wet roads especially great... however > it does drag the grass when I cut t through fields or yards or even bounce > off a curb. > > Kelly > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/s4d8JZCQR0wJ. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Arkel Panniers
$75 shipped. On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Curtis Schmitt wrote: > > http://www.arkel-od.com/us/all-categories/touring-bike-bag/b-26-basic-commuter-panniers.html > > Used on one 100-mile roundtrip camping adventure. In very good condition. > Sold the rack these were mated to and no longer have a need for them. Can > send pictures upon request. For what it's worth, I prefer Arkel bags over > Ortlieb bags quite a bit. > > Asking $85 shipped. > > Thanks, > Curtis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Berthold Fender Installation- It went so smooth.. till it didn't.. sheesh
On Sun, 2011-09-18 at 07:29 -0400, Ken Freeman wrote: > One point: Do not do anything involving bicycles and fasteners over > grass. Usually if (WHEN!) > you drop one it will become buried under all the grass and not > findable. Then you're faced with > replacing a usually unique bolt or washer (such as something on a > Campy or Shimano part) that > may or may not have a thread known to man or a known thread with a > uniquely small bolt head. > Either way getting a workable replacement can become a major Internet > search (ordering a > Campy bolt) or fabrication process (improvising a Shimano part) that > is at least as challenging > as riding that century you were planning for two days hence. > If you've got to work outdoors (and I usually do) it helps to spread a large cloth under the bike to catch what you drop. Because you certainly are going to drop something sooner or later, and Ken is right, learn from his experience rather than yours. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Motobecane Build - a set on Flickr
Patrick from ABQ sold me this frame, and I just completed the build today. I saw this bike in another incarnation when Patrick and I went for a ride on the Bosque Trail in Albuquerque earlier this year, so I knew I had to have it when he offered it for sale. I built it up using a wheelset based on Sturmey Archer's 3-speed fixed gear hub, the goal being a very functional bike that I can take on extended rides that include steep climbs (my annual post-Thanksgiving ride comes immediately to mind). The paint is original, and its patina of use lends a great aura to the bike. I had originally considered getting it powder coated, but now I'm thinking of leaving it as is. It's certainly very Grant-ish in its current condition. Fenders are from Planet Bike--I think the fender line came out pretty nice. http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176895@N03/sets/72157627576981351/with/6160493179/ Recycling notes: The handlebar tape is vintage Bike Ribbon, bought for $1 at the local thrift store months ago. Fenders were bought from a friend for about $30. Handlebar and stem are from another bike, as is the saddle. The only new items needed to get this project on the road were the wheels, a new bottom bracket (I didn't have a Swiss-threader bottom bracket in the parts bin), and new brake cables and housing. --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Motobecane Build - a set on Flickr
I recognize that bike! Very nice; I see you used the Mafac levers -- how do you like them? I'd be interested in your opinion of the S3X -- I keep thinking about buying one. On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Eric Norris wrote: > Patrick from ABQ sold me this frame, and I just completed the build today. I > saw this bike in another incarnation when Patrick and I went for a ride on > the Bosque Trail in Albuquerque earlier this year, so I knew I had to have it > when he offered it for sale. > > I built it up using a wheelset based on Sturmey Archer's 3-speed fixed gear > hub, the goal being a very functional bike that I can take on extended rides > that include steep climbs (my annual post-Thanksgiving ride comes immediately > to mind). > > The paint is original, and its patina of use lends a great aura to the bike. > I had originally considered getting it powder coated, but now I'm thinking of > leaving it as is. It's certainly very Grant-ish in its current condition. > > Fenders are from Planet Bike--I think the fender line came out pretty nice. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176895@N03/sets/72157627576981351/with/6160493179/ > > Recycling notes: The handlebar tape is vintage Bike Ribbon, bought for $1 at > the local thrift store months ago. Fenders were bought from a friend for > about $30. Handlebar and stem are from another bike, as is the saddle. The > only new items needed to get this project on the road were the wheels, a new > bottom bracket (I didn't have a Swiss-threader bottom bracket in the parts > bin), and new brake cables and housing. > > --Eric > campyonly...@me.com > www.campyonly.com > www.wheelsnorth.org > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Motobecane build
I forgot to ask: what are those bars? Very deep drop. I've seen similar ones on old British iron from pre-1960 or so, but not elsehwere. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Motobecane Build - a set on Flickr
I'm also curious how you gear it: top cruising and lower ones for climbing, or middle cruising and top for downhills? On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Eric Norris wrote: > Patrick from ABQ sold me this frame, and I just completed the build today. I > saw this bike in another incarnation when Patrick and I went for a ride on > the Bosque Trail in Albuquerque earlier this year, so I knew I had to have it > when he offered it for sale. > > I built it up using a wheelset based on Sturmey Archer's 3-speed fixed gear > hub, the goal being a very functional bike that I can take on extended rides > that include steep climbs (my annual post-Thanksgiving ride comes immediately > to mind). > > The paint is original, and its patina of use lends a great aura to the bike. > I had originally considered getting it powder coated, but now I'm thinking of > leaving it as is. It's certainly very Grant-ish in its current condition. > > Fenders are from Planet Bike--I think the fender line came out pretty nice. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176895@N03/sets/72157627576981351/with/6160493179/ > > Recycling notes: The handlebar tape is vintage Bike Ribbon, bought for $1 at > the local thrift store months ago. Fenders were bought from a friend for > about $30. Handlebar and stem are from another bike, as is the saddle. The > only new items needed to get this project on the road were the wheels, a new > bottom bracket (I didn't have a Swiss-threader bottom bracket in the parts > bin), and new brake cables and housing. > > --Eric > campyonly...@me.com > www.campyonly.com > www.wheelsnorth.org > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] A sob story and a WTB plea
Hello friends, I just completed a wonderful, if not quite pleasant, ride on my racing Rivendell Rambouillet. 420 miles from Salt Lake City to St George, UT in 28 hours and 1 minute ( http://salttosaint.com/ ). We didn't get many pictures, but here I am ( https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/KARNLpmQ24hBc7khJ3Jy7Q?feat=directlink ) at the start about to attach a rain jacket, which would get MUCH use, on to the small Sackville TrunkSack. It can be seen hiding behind my helmet there. The trunk matches perfectly with the green Rambouillet, Brooks saddle, bar tape... or I should say, "matched". After all of the aforementioned items carried me, in fine fashion, all the way to southern Utah, someone decided to steal my TrunkSack right off of my bike. Rivendell doesn't have the green sack any more, so I am hoping one of you fine folks might have one in your basement that is not being used and would be willing to part with it. I don't want it if it's being put to good service. If you can help please contact me. Thank you. Long live long rides, BykMor aka Steve Wasmund -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/qZaO8TTT4RoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Motobecane build
Cinelli Campione del Mondo--old skool deep drop. --Eric N Sent from the iPad 2 On Sep 18, 2011, at 6:46 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > I forgot to ask: what are those bars? Very deep drop. I've seen > similar ones on old British iron from pre-1960 or so, but not > elsehwere. > > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > For professional resumes, contact > Patrick Moore, ACRW > http://resumespecialties.com/index.html > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Motobecane Build - a set on Flickr
I chose to set it up with my "regular" gear as the top gear. That choice was dictated in part by the hub, which has the top gear as direct drive. In my experience with internal hubs, direct drive is the most efficient--whenever you engage the gears, it feels more sluggish (regardless of what the experts say). So I now have a top gear of 70 inches and two lower fears of 53 and 44, which should get me up just about any hill I'm likely to come across. --Eric N Sent from the iPad 2 On Sep 18, 2011, at 6:48 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > I'm also curious how you gear it: top cruising and lower ones for > climbing, or middle cruising and top for downhills? > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Eric Norris wrote: >> Patrick from ABQ sold me this frame, and I just completed the build today. I >> saw this bike in another incarnation when Patrick and I went for a ride on >> the Bosque Trail in Albuquerque earlier this year, so I knew I had to have >> it when he offered it for sale. >> >> I built it up using a wheelset based on Sturmey Archer's 3-speed fixed gear >> hub, the goal being a very functional bike that I can take on extended rides >> that include steep climbs (my annual post-Thanksgiving ride comes >> immediately to mind). >> >> The paint is original, and its patina of use lends a great aura to the bike. >> I had originally considered getting it powder coated, but now I'm thinking >> of leaving it as is. It's certainly very Grant-ish in its current condition. >> >> Fenders are from Planet Bike--I think the fender line came out pretty nice. >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176895@N03/sets/72157627576981351/with/6160493179/ >> >> Recycling notes: The handlebar tape is vintage Bike Ribbon, bought for $1 at >> the local thrift store months ago. Fenders were bought from a friend for >> about $30. Handlebar and stem are from another bike, as is the saddle. The >> only new items needed to get this project on the road were the wheels, a new >> bottom bracket (I didn't have a Swiss-threader bottom bracket in the parts >> bin), and new brake cables and housing. >> >> --Eric >> campyonly...@me.com >> www.campyonly.com >> www.wheelsnorth.org >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> >> > > > > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > For professional resumes, contact > Patrick Moore, ACRW > http://resumespecialties.com/index.html > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Solo Riding.
Nothing like riding solo to get the mind focus on the week ahead. Hopefully the troubles of life haven't made you forget the things that are important, like riding your bike. One picture can prove that it happened: http://www.tumblr.com/tumblelog/pedicabconfession -Manny "Walking is fun, when you get to ride downhill." Acosta -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] New vs original grid grey fabric and leather trimmings...
I just received my new XS Grid Grey Saddlesack (they are just back in stock) and to my surprise, the fabric is very similar to the original but not quite the same. The same is true for the leather trimmings. The good news is that the grey fabric doesn't seem to be discontinued in general, just the original version. I haven't been able to find out what happened, but my guess is that they ran out of the original and the newest shipment isn't quite the same. If you aren't crazy about matching bags, it'll be OK. If you are... I miss those light colored lines. Check out for yourselves: *http://tinyurl.com/3qomrqr*. * * René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
