[RBW] Re: Splats rock.

[Roger]

Backordered! Again!

I got my phone call a couple of weeks ago, but foolishly told Spencer
(Spencer's back! If Joe Bauder answered my next call it'd be just old
times) that I'd come by in just a few days and no need to set any
aside. Neither of us thought they could sell out a second time...

Hey, a question for those decisive people who cast their rods when
there were fish in the pond: do splats help protect from those
chilling cold winter breezes? I was riding in sub-50 degree weather
(and that's Fahrenheit!) and my tootsies got cold.


On Dec 10 2010, 10:17 am, William  wrote:
> LARGER SPLATS are back in stock!!
>
> Buy!  Buy!  Buy!
>
> On Dec 3, 7:55 pm, Roger  wrote:
>
> > Aargh, my size is backordered!
>
> > On Dec 3, 2:05 pm, Bob  wrote:
>
> > > Alex, couldn't agree more about the MUSA rain pants. My first
> > > impression of them is very favorable.  Very good value for money.
>
> > > On Dec 1, 1:47 am, amoll68  wrote:
>
> > > > Pretty cool.
>
> > > > I need to get off my butt, and order a large pair, before it's too
> > > > late.
>
> > > > I'll admit that I thought they were a joke, at first. But, c'mon, I'm
> > > > sure I wasn't the only one? Remember that first intro post - with the
> > > > mudflaps, right?
>
> > > > Also, they look kinda homely - BUT I think I really need them. In the
> > > > winter, I use gore-tex lined hiking boots on Grip Kings on my "rain
> > > > bike" - it's a great set-up.
>
> > > > However, I have Speedplay Frogs on my AHH, and I use the Pearl Izumi X-
> > > > alp touring shoes. Great shoes, but all the toe-covers on the market
> > > > seem to be for roadie shoes, and don't fit MTB style shoes very well
> > > > at all - I've been quite disappointed. I'm sure theSplatswill work
> > > > great.
>
> > > > I think Riv might do pretty well with these, and I think they should
> > > > be a long-time staple.
>
> > > > BTW, also want to mention that the MUSA rain pants "ROCK" too, and
> > > > worth every orange cent - HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!
>
> > > > Best,
>
> > > > Alex Moll
> > > > Marysville, WA (north of Seattle)

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[RBW] Re: AHH Gets A New Old Crank Set, Old Rear Derailleur - Feels Fantastic !

[Roger]

I'm about 6'3" and 94 PBH and ride with 170s. I think I only really
noticed a big difference form 175s when my knees would get sore and I
was at the top of the stroke. Then the 10mm difference (5 at top, 5 at
bottom) was a welcome difference.

On Jan 5, 8:06 pm, amoll68  wrote:
> Not too often does a 6'3" guy feel short, but it happens once in a
> while.
>
> RE crank length: for me, most of my bikes are 175s, but I've got a
> couple with 170s and I don't notice a huge difference. I mean we're
> only talking about 1/5 of an inch difference. I think I feel, and
> sorta buy the cadence concept - maybe a little easier to spin the
> 170s, and more leverage with the 175s. I guess physics and physiology
> dictate that. I'm going to try 180s on my current winter project, and
> I'm looking forward to it. It's a mid-70s road bike built up with
> vintage Campagnolo NR. I'm hoping the 180s will help in the mountains,
> when I'm grunting with the 42-28 low. 180 was the preferred length for
> Eddy (the Cannibal) Merckx in the mountain stages, so it's gotta be
> worth a try.
>
> Really cool bike - thanks for sharing.
>
> Alex Moll
> Marysville, WA

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[RBW] Re: AHH Gets A New Old Crank Set, Old Rear Derailleur - Feels Fantastic !

[MichaelH]

I'm 6'1" and usually ride with 172.5. or 175, and 170 will feel OK at
first but then my knees will start to hurt.  I agree that it's hard to
imagine such a tiny distance making a difference, but there it is.

Congrats to all the tall guys who have found frames that love them.
Having helped my fairly short daughter buy a new frame a few years ago
I appreciate how hard it is to find a bike that fits if you are
outside of a medium build..  At least with Riv, you can trust them,
even if you can't test ride.  I'm lucky to be just under the upper
limit for most traditional mfg.

michael

On Jan 5, 11:18 pm, Roger  wrote:
> I'm about 6'3" and 94 PBH and ride with 170s. I think I only really
> noticed a big difference form 175s when my knees would get sore and I
> was at the top of the stroke. Then the 10mm difference (5 at top, 5 at
> bottom) was a welcome difference.
>
> On Jan 5, 8:06 pm, amoll68  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Not too often does a 6'3" guy feel short, but it happens once in a
> > while.
>
> > RE crank length: for me, most of my bikes are 175s, but I've got a
> > couple with 170s and I don't notice a huge difference. I mean we're
> > only talking about 1/5 of an inch difference. I think I feel, and
> > sorta buy the cadence concept - maybe a little easier to spin the
> > 170s, and more leverage with the 175s. I guess physics and physiology
> > dictate that. I'm going to try 180s on my current winter project, and
> > I'm looking forward to it. It's a mid-70s road bike built up with
> > vintage Campagnolo NR. I'm hoping the 180s will help in the mountains,
> > when I'm grunting with the 42-28 low. 180 was the preferred length for
> > Eddy (the Cannibal) Merckx in the mountain stages, so it's gotta be
> > worth a try.
>
> > Really cool bike - thanks for sharing.
>
> > Alex Moll
> > Marysville, WA

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[RBW] Re: Rebates!

[Montclair BobbyB]

Great idea... you are truly wise... thx

On Jan 6, 1:15 am, Esteban  wrote:
> Seth's onto something. The first thing I do with my rebate is to buy
> membership for another year.
>
> An altruistic move would be to donate the rest (or at least a portion)
> to Smiletrain!
>
> Esteban
> San Diego, Calif.
>
> On Jan 5, 8:22 pm, "Jim M."  wrote:
>
>
>
> > You can call and check but buying a frame used to get you an automatic
> > membership.
>
> > On Jan 5, 4:58 pm, Z  wrote:
>
> > > I had no idea, and purchased separate a membership shortly after
> > > buying a frame... Will I get  a 5% rebate on said frame, too?
> > > Fingers crossed.
>
> > > On Jan 3, 2:42 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > > > Dave just posted to the knothole that rebates will be in by the end of
> > > > the week.  What have you been living without that you no longer will
> > > > be able to live without once your rebate is in?
>
> > > > For those who don't know.  Rivendell gives a 5% rebate to members.
> > > > Members pay $20 a year to be members.  You get a free year if you buy
> > > > a frame or a bike.  I use this to justify buying at least one frame
> > > > per year :).
>
> > > > I wonder how many people buy Riv bikes and have no idea that they get
> > > > a rebate?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Tires.... what to buy

[bicitourist]

Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've been 
running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my 
commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no problems 
but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? I know I'm 
giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure there is a 
sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 700x28 (but they 
were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it was all those miles 
on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but most of my miles are on 
pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my first 200K and 300K this 
year!

>From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:

Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
Pasela Wire bead
GB Cypres

Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo

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Re: [RBW] Tires.... what to buy

[Seth Vidal]

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 10:40 AM, bicitourist  wrote:
> Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've been
> running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my
> commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no problems
> but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? I know I'm
> giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure there is a
> sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 700x28 (but they
> were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it was all those miles
> on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but most of my miles are on
> pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my first 200K and 300K this
> year!
> From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
> Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> Pasela Wire bead
> GB Cypres

Paselas.

If you like them and you're happy with them - go to either the jb or the gb.

but the paselas are an inexpensive way to try out a more supple sidewall.

-sv

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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[stevep33]

JB Blues are an excellent compromise of speed and durability.

Though these are all fairly similar...so try all three.


On Jan 6, 10:40 am, bicitourist  wrote:

> From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>
> Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> Pasela Wire bead
> GB Cypres
>
> Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo

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Re: [RBW] Tires.... what to buy

[Steve Palincsar]

On Thu, 2011-01-06 at 07:40 -0800, bicitourist wrote:
> Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.
>  I've been running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @
> 80-85psi from my commuter. I've been running these for a couple of
> years now with no problems but I wanted something more supple. New
> bike = New tires right? I know I'm giving up some
> puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure there is a sweet spot
> out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 700x28 (but they were
> too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it was all those miles
> on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but most of my miles
> are on pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my first 200K and
> 300K this year!
> 
> 
> From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
> 
> Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> Pasela Wire bead
> GB Cypres

>From a price/performance perspective it's impossible to beat the wire
bead Paselas.  They're easily 85% of the performance of the GB Cypres at
25% the price.  You can often find the Paselas on sale at around $15 ea.
They're perfectly suitable for brevets and offer good performance and
good resistance to foreign objects, and are certainly longer lived and
more flat resistant than the GB.  I use them on my VO Randonneur in the
off season.

For ultimate performance, I like the GB Cypres 700x30s.  They're the
same width as Pasela 32mm.  This is the tire I use on my VO Randonneur
during the season.




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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Michael_S]

I think you would be fine on the Jack Brown Greens. I find them to be
slightly more supple than the Pasela's.
I just got the 30mm Cypress and have yet to ride them but they seem
more delicate than either of the above.

Anoher choice might be the Scwalbe Marathon Racers in 30 or 35mm. They
seem to have very low rolling resisitance to me.

~Mike~

On Jan 6, 8:08 am, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-01-06 at 07:40 -0800, bicitourist wrote:
> > Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.
> >  I've been running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @
> > 80-85psi from my commuter. I've been running these for a couple of
> > years now with no problems but I wanted something more supple. New
> > bike = New tires right? I know I'm giving up some
> > puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure there is a sweet spot
> > out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 700x28 (but they were
> > too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it was all those miles
> > on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but most of my miles
> > are on pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my first 200K and
> > 300K this year!
>
> > From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>
> > Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> > Pasela Wire bead
> > GB Cypres
> >From a price/performance perspective it's impossible to beat the wire
>
> bead Paselas.  They're easily 85% of the performance of the GB Cypres at
> 25% the price.  You can often find the Paselas on sale at around $15 ea.
> They're perfectly suitable for brevets and offer good performance and
> good resistance to foreign objects, and are certainly longer lived and
> more flat resistant than the GB.  I use them on my VO Randonneur in the
> off season.
>
> For ultimate performance, I like the GB Cypres 700x30s.  They're the
> same width as Pasela 32mm.  This is the tire I use on my VO Randonneur
> during the season.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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Re: [RBW] Tires.... what to buy

[Eric Norris]

I'll also weigh in for the Paselas.  I've used them for many epic rides, 
including PBP '07 (no flats in 765 miles).  I've seen the 700x32 size for sale 
as low as $8 (annual sale at the UC Davis Bike Barn last year).  

--Eric N

On Jan 6, 2011, at 7:40 AM, bicitourist  wrote:

> Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've been 
> running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my 
> commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no problems 
> but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? I know I'm 
> giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure there is a sweet 
> spot out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 700x28 (but they were 
> too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it was all those miles on the 
> 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but most of my miles are on 
> pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my first 200K and 300K this year!
> 
> From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
> 
> Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> Pasela Wire bead
> GB Cypres
> 
> Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo
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RE: [RBW] Tires.... what to buy

[Joe Bartoe]

If you're going to consider the GB Cypres, you may as well consider the JB 
Greens. The Cypres are a bit more fragile, but they are also more supple and 
definitely faster than a lot of other tires. I rode the Cypres quite a bit 
while commuting and rode a double century on them. They have handled a lot of 
stuff that other tires would have flatted on. I have also ridden the JB greens. 
It is also a great tire, but a bit slower than the GB Cypres. FWIW, I am 6'1" 
and weigh 185 and the rode the Cypres on my Riv.

Joe 

Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 07:40:52 -0800
From: ejro...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Tires what to buy

Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've been 
running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my commuter. 
I've been running these for a couple of years now with no problems but I wanted 
something more supple. New bike = New tires right? I know I'm giving up some 
puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure there is a sweet spot out there!  
 I tried some continental gatorskins 700x28 (but they were too skinny and made 
my bike feel unstable maybe it was all those miles on the 32s?). I'm looking 
for an all-round tire, but most of my miles are on pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm 
also planning on my first 200K and 300K this year!
>From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)Pasela Wire 
beadGB Cypres
Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo




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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Peter Pesce]

I'm glad bictourist asked this question, because I was considering the
exact same thing.

Last thing I'd want on a century or brevet is to be fixing flats all
time but reading about all these "magical" tires I thought I was
riding real dogs with my Paselas, Hearing that Eric did PBP on them I
feel much better!

-Pete

On Jan 6, 12:03 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
> I'll also weigh in for the Paselas.  I've used them for many epic rides, 
> including PBP '07 (no flats in 765 miles).  I've seen the 700x32 size for 
> sale as low as $8 (annual sale at the UC Davis Bike Barn last year).  
>
> --Eric N
>
> On Jan 6, 2011, at 7:40 AM, bicitourist  wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've 
> > been running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my 
> > commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no 
> > problems but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? I 
> > know I'm giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure there 
> > is a sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 700x28 
> > (but they were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it was all 
> > those miles on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but most of my 
> > miles are on pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my first 200K and 
> > 300K this year!
>
> > From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>
> > Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> > Pasela Wire bead
> > GB Cypres
>
> > Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Eric Norris]

Scroll down a bit and you can see my Quickbeam (with Paselas) in some photos 
taken at the check-in before the start of PBP:  
http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/articles/p-b-p/0xa12a94c.htm 

--Eric N

On Jan 6, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:

> I'm glad bictourist asked this question, because I was considering the
> exact same thing.
> 
> Last thing I'd want on a century or brevet is to be fixing flats all
> time but reading about all these "magical" tires I thought I was
> riding real dogs with my Paselas, Hearing that Eric did PBP on them I
> feel much better!
> 
> -Pete
> 
> On Jan 6, 12:03 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
>> I'll also weigh in for the Paselas.  I've used them for many epic rides, 
>> including PBP '07 (no flats in 765 miles).  I've seen the 700x32 size for 
>> sale as low as $8 (annual sale at the UC Davis Bike Barn last year).  
>> 
>> --Eric N
>> 
>> On Jan 6, 2011, at 7:40 AM, bicitourist  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've 
>>> been running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my 
>>> commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no 
>>> problems but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? I 
>>> know I'm giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure there 
>>> is a sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 700x28 
>>> (but they were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it was all 
>>> those miles on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but most of my 
>>> miles are on pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my first 200K and 
>>> 300K this year!
>> 
>>> From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>> 
>>> Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
>>> Pasela Wire bead
>>> GB Cypres
>> 
>>> Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo
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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[William]

Eric (sorry for the tangent on the tires thread)

You did PBP on a fixie?  Did you ever use the other ring?  Is PBP flat
enough that you'd recommend it?  How many fixies did you see at PBP
'07?


On Jan 6, 9:38 am, Eric Norris  wrote:
> Scroll down a bit and you can see my Quickbeam (with Paselas) in some photos 
> taken at the check-in before the start of PBP:  
> http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/articles/p-b-p/0xa12a94c.htm
>
> --Eric N
>
> On Jan 6, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>
> > I'm glad bictourist asked this question, because I was considering the
> > exact same thing.
>
> > Last thing I'd want on a century or brevet is to be fixing flats all
> > time but reading about all these "magical" tires I thought I was
> > riding real dogs with my Paselas, Hearing that Eric did PBP on them I
> > feel much better!
>
> > -Pete
>
> > On Jan 6, 12:03 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
> >> I'll also weigh in for the Paselas.  I've used them for many epic rides, 
> >> including PBP '07 (no flats in 765 miles).  I've seen the 700x32 size for 
> >> sale as low as $8 (annual sale at the UC Davis Bike Barn last year).  
>
> >> --Eric N
>
> >> On Jan 6, 2011, at 7:40 AM, bicitourist  wrote:
>
> >>> Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've 
> >>> been running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my 
> >>> commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no 
> >>> problems but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? 
> >>> I know I'm giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure 
> >>> there is a sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 
> >>> 700x28 (but they were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it 
> >>> was all those miles on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but 
> >>> most of my miles are on pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my 
> >>> first 200K and 300K this year!
>
> >>> From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>
> >>> Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> >>> Pasela Wire bead
> >>> GB Cypres
>
> >>> Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Eric Norris]

Yes I did, but when I go back this year I'll bring gears.  The terrain isn't 
that bad--no major climbs and only a handful of steep sections. Being on a 
fixed gear does take its toll, in part because you can't go as fast as the 
geared bikes on the downhills.

I rode the entire route in 72 gear inches.

Two friends and I rode PBP together on fixed gears (two of us finished), and we 
figured there were about 30 or so fixies on the ride.  That's about 1/2 of one 
percent of the bikes on the ride, so it's a bit of a niche market.

--Eric N

On Jan 6, 2011, at 9:53 AM, William  wrote:

> Eric (sorry for the tangent on the tires thread)
> 
> You did PBP on a fixie?  Did you ever use the other ring?  Is PBP flat
> enough that you'd recommend it?  How many fixies did you see at PBP
> '07?
> 
> 
> On Jan 6, 9:38 am, Eric Norris  wrote:
>> Scroll down a bit and you can see my Quickbeam (with Paselas) in some photos 
>> taken at the check-in before the start of PBP:  
>> http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/articles/p-b-p/0xa12a94c.htm
>> 
>> --Eric N
>> 
>> On Jan 6, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm glad bictourist asked this question, because I was considering the
>>> exact same thing.
>> 
>>> Last thing I'd want on a century or brevet is to be fixing flats all
>>> time but reading about all these "magical" tires I thought I was
>>> riding real dogs with my Paselas, Hearing that Eric did PBP on them I
>>> feel much better!
>> 
>>> -Pete
>> 
>>> On Jan 6, 12:03 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
 I'll also weigh in for the Paselas.  I've used them for many epic rides, 
 including PBP '07 (no flats in 765 miles).  I've seen the 700x32 size for 
 sale as low as $8 (annual sale at the UC Davis Bike Barn last year).  
>> 
 --Eric N
>> 
 On Jan 6, 2011, at 7:40 AM, bicitourist  wrote:
>> 
> Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've 
> been running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my 
> commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no 
> problems but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? 
> I know I'm giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure 
> there is a sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 
> 700x28 (but they were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it 
> was all those miles on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but 
> most of my miles are on pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my 
> first 200K and 300K this year!
>> 
> From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>> 
> Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> Pasela Wire bead
> GB Cypres
>> 
> Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo
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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Scott G.]

I used Gran Bois 30s for pub touring in Britain in the rain, no flats.
Also used the same tires for touring in Vermont, good choice, the
roads
are rough. The side walls are thin, I've trashed tires from sloppy
bike transport
where something gets to rub on the sidewalls, Michelins PR2s survived
the same
treatment.

I use wire Paselas on vintage bikes, they look the part and ride
nicely.
The Gatorskins run undersized, Conti 28s are close to 26mm.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[cyclotourist]

As noted, the best bet would be to start with the Paselas and work your way
up.  GBs are wonderful tires, but too delicate for me.

Doug hasn't posted an option yet, so I will say this in his absence:  Schwalbe
Marathon 
Supremes.

FWIW, Challenge
Grifoslook
really nice is you you'll be hitting up some dirt as part of the ride.
If all pavement, then the slight tread wouldn't benefit you.


On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 9:53 AM, William  wrote:

> Eric (sorry for the tangent on the tires thread)
>
> You did PBP on a fixie?  Did you ever use the other ring?  Is PBP flat
> enough that you'd recommend it?  How many fixies did you see at PBP
> '07?
>
>
> On Jan 6, 9:38 am, Eric Norris  wrote:
> > Scroll down a bit and you can see my Quickbeam (with Paselas) in some
> photos taken at the check-in before the start of PBP:
> http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/articles/p-b-p/0xa12a94c.htm
> >
> > --Eric N
> >
> > On Jan 6, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
> >
> > > I'm glad bictourist asked this question, because I was considering the
> > > exact same thing.
> >
> > > Last thing I'd want on a century or brevet is to be fixing flats all
> > > time but reading about all these "magical" tires I thought I was
> > > riding real dogs with my Paselas, Hearing that Eric did PBP on them I
> > > feel much better!
> >
> > > -Pete
> >
> > > On Jan 6, 12:03 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
> > >> I'll also weigh in for the Paselas.  I've used them for many epic
> rides, including PBP '07 (no flats in 765 miles).  I've seen the 700x32 size
> for sale as low as $8 (annual sale at the UC Davis Bike Barn last year).
> >
> > >> --Eric N
> >
> > >> On Jan 6, 2011, at 7:40 AM, bicitourist  wrote:
> >
> > >>> Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.
>  I've been running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from
> my commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no
> problems but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? I
> know I'm giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure there
> is a sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 700x28 (but
> they were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it was all those
> miles on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but most of my miles
> are on pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my first 200K and 300K
> this year!
> >
> > >>> From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
> >
> > >>> Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> > >>> Pasela Wire bead
> > >>> GB Cypres
> >
> > >>> Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo
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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[jlvota]

Another tire to possibly consider would be the Schwalbe Kojak.  The
wire beaded ones are more expensive than the Paselas but less
expensive than the JB and GB.  The casing seems strong but they still
have a supple ride.  The bike that I have them on is a tourer and I
would say that it sees milder roads than my commuter, but I have yet
to get a flat.  They even feel alright on grass, dirt, and gravel
(they are my favorite tire on limestone trails because their volume
allows them to have a smooth ride and the tread throws a minimal
amount of rock and dust) and will get you to where you need to go if
you are on pavement 80% of the time, as long as the other 20% isn't
too aggressive.

On Jan 6, 9:40 am, bicitourist  wrote:
> Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've been
> running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my
> commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no problems
> but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? I know I'm
> giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure there is a
> sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 700x28 (but they
> were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it was all those miles
> on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but most of my miles are on
> pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my first 200K and 300K this
> year!
>
> From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>
> Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> Pasela Wire bead
> GB Cypres
>
> Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo

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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I have tried the JB Blues on three different bikes, and I disliked how they 
felt more than I've ever disliked any tire. Subjective, yes, but I thought 
they felt dead and slow. No scientific analysis to back that up. When I went 
to Paselas, or in one case some old Conti Top Touring 2000, I perceived an 
improvement in "liveliness" and speed. I suspect the JB Greens are beautiful 
to ride, and people I trust on these matters have confirmed that this is the 
case. The Blues seem tough and puncture-resistant, though, so may be 
appropriate for cyclers who prioritize durability and reliability.

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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

+1 on Schwalbe Kojak. I have 1500 hard miles on a set of 26x2 Kojaks, and, 
while I did suffer one mysterious flat, they have been wonderful in every 
way and show no signs of wearing out anytime soon.

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[RBW] wheelsets for sale

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I have a few nice wheelsets lying around, and I'm also building some new 
ones to use up some rim and hub inventory and to pass the time until the 
snow melts.

Here's what I have:
700C/622: Velocity Aerohead rims with 36h Shimano T660 (touring version of 
LX) rear and 32h Alfine front generator hub. The rims are silver and the 
hubs are polished/shiny silver. The rear rim is offset for reduced dish and 
increased strength. Spokes are Wheelsmith butted, also silver, laced 3x. I 
envision this as a great lightweight wheelset for a Hillborne or a Hilsen 
for road use, credit card touring, and anything short of really heavy-duty 
applications. And with the generator hub, it would be a great brevet 
wheelset. $400 shipped in CONUS.

650B/584: Velocity Dyad rims with 32h Shimano T660 (touring version of LX) 
rear and 32h Alfine front generator hub. The rims are silver and the hubs 
are polished/shiny silver. Spokes are Wheelsmith 14g, also silver, laced 3x. 
I envision this as a great all-round wheelset for a 650B Hillborne, Bleriot, 
Betty Foy, or a Hilsen/Saluki for just about every purpose. And with the 
generator hub, it would be a great brevet wheelset. $370 shipped in CONUS.

26"/559: Mavic EX721 rims with 36h Shimano XT 760-series front and rear. All 
silver. I did not build these, but they are NOS and appear to be a sound and 
sturdy (also pretty) wheelset for commuting, touring, and offroad use. $280 
shipped in CONUS.

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[RBW] Re: New News Post

[reynoldslugs]

Friends:

I have gone back and forth with low carbohydrate diets, and they work
ok for me, but for one significant problem:

How can one possibly do long rides on a low carbohydrate regimen?

Here is my query to the group:

I cannot figure out how to do a long ride - - say, anything more than
3 hours, or certainly something in the 8 - 10 hour range - - without
consuming lots of carbohydrates.

How do those of you that ascribe to this nutritional plan get through
multi-hour rides?

RL

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[robert zeidler]

I've found the riv tires, when new to feel like velcro-don't have a
better word for it.  I love all of the GB tires.  Supple,
smooth-rolling.
My .02

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
 wrote:
> +1 on Schwalbe Kojak. I have 1500 hard miles on a set of 26x2 Kojaks, and,
> while I did suffer one mysterious flat, they have been wonderful in every
> way and show no signs of wearing out anytime soon.
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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[NickBull]

Another vote for wire-bead (non-Tourguard) Pasela's, with Grand Bois
Cypres as your reserve tire for "long" events (600Km or more).  I've
ridden more than 2Km of official RUSA events using this combo of
tires.  The Pasela's are cheap and they don't give up a great deal to
the Cypres, so they're fine for events where the time constraints are
not critical.  But on the more-critical events like 600Km and up,
every little bit of reduced rolling resistance counts, and is cost-
effective.  I have had very few flats on either type of tire.  I've
had just as many flats on the various "flatproof" tires that I've used
over the years for brevets and for commuting.  Though I hear that in
parts of the country that have goat's head thorns, the non-flatproof
tires are more of a risk.  Most of my riding is east coast, but I rode
a 1000Km in Washington last year -- I got one flat because I was
watching the scenery instead of the road and rolled over a spike.
Both tires have been on the usual non-paved sections that are typical
on brevets/permanents.  But I haven't tried to use them for conditions
like fire roads or off-road.  For that I'd want something like 650Bx40
or 26"x2".  I guess I'm more risk averse than some.

Nick

On Jan 6, 10:40 am, bicitourist  wrote:
> Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've been
> running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my
> commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no problems
> but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? I know I'm
> giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure there is a
> sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 700x28 (but they
> were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it was all those miles
> on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but most of my miles are on
> pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my first 200K and 300K this
> year!
>
> From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>
> Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> Pasela Wire bead
> GB Cypres
>
> Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo

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[RBW] Re: AHH Gets A New Old Crank Set, Old Rear Derailleur - Feels Fantastic !

[David Klatte]

Whoa, really? I am the same height or I might be a touch taller (6'7"
everyday), with a pbh of 100, but my fingertip to fingertip is over
200cm. Did you mean 202? You must have.

David (71 AHH)

On Jan 5, 1:40 pm, AmiSingh  wrote:
> It's a 69!
>
> How tall are you Pat?  What's your PBH?  How about length, arm-to-arm?
>
> I'm 6'7" on a good day, and my PBH hovers at98-99-100, depending on
> how hard I pull up.  Across my back, fingertip to fingertip is 102cm.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post

[robert zeidler]

In the P.D.F.A. book there is a formula, based on the duration of the
event, to calculate your approx carb intake.

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 2:37 PM, reynoldslugs  wrote:
>
> Friends:
>
> I have gone back and forth with low carbohydrate diets, and they work
> ok for me, but for one significant problem:
>
> How can one possibly do long rides on a low carbohydrate regimen?
>
> Here is my query to the group:
>
> I cannot figure out how to do a long ride - - say, anything more than
> 3 hours, or certainly something in the 8 - 10 hour range - - without
> consuming lots of carbohydrates.
>
> How do those of you that ascribe to this nutritional plan get through
> multi-hour rides?
>
> RL
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Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post

[andrew hill]

if you are doing long workouts you should have some carbs.. low carb diets work 
because they keep the glycogen reserves in the liver/muscles fairly low, and 
that kicks the body over into a ketone pathway (gluconeogenesis) metabolism 
from a glycogen pathway (glycogenolysis) metabolism. 

so you can (and should) have carbs if you are actively burning them with high 
work output, essentially.  

to combine heavy or long workouts with low-carb simply requires you to plan 
carb intake (above 20g at once, or above 60g per day) only on days when you are 
actually burning through them.

in fact, doing high-carb/workout days interspersed with very low carb days (2-4 
at a time) is an old-skool way of stripping off body fat very quickly, called 
things like macronutrient cycling, carb refeeding, etc.

best,
andrew

On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:37 AM, reynoldslugs wrote:

> 
> Friends:
> 
> I have gone back and forth with low carbohydrate diets, and they work
> ok for me, but for one significant problem:
> 
> How can one possibly do long rides on a low carbohydrate regimen?
> 
> Here is my query to the group:
> 
> I cannot figure out how to do a long ride - - say, anything more than
> 3 hours, or certainly something in the 8 - 10 hour range - - without
> consuming lots of carbohydrates.
> 
> How do those of you that ascribe to this nutritional plan get through
> multi-hour rides?
> 
> RL
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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[William]

Since this has kind of become a brevet-strategy tire thread.  I'm on
650B and my plan is to run Soma tire (which is essentially a 650B
Pasela) unless I want the ultra low rolling resistance of the
PariMotos.  I'm running the reinforced Soma Express right now from
Riv, but intend to try the Soma B-Line as well, which is the same tire
without the reinforced casing.

On Jan 6, 11:53 am, NickBull  wrote:
> Another vote for wire-bead (non-Tourguard) Pasela's, with Grand Bois
> Cypres as your reserve tire for "long" events (600Km or more).  I've
> ridden more than 2Km of official RUSA events using this combo of
> tires.  The Pasela's are cheap and they don't give up a great deal to
> the Cypres, so they're fine for events where the time constraints are
> not critical.  But on the more-critical events like 600Km and up,
> every little bit of reduced rolling resistance counts, and is cost-
> effective.  I have had very few flats on either type of tire.  I've
> had just as many flats on the various "flatproof" tires that I've used
> over the years for brevets and for commuting.  Though I hear that in
> parts of the country that have goat's head thorns, the non-flatproof
> tires are more of a risk.  Most of my riding is east coast, but I rode
> a 1000Km in Washington last year -- I got one flat because I was
> watching the scenery instead of the road and rolled over a spike.
> Both tires have been on the usual non-paved sections that are typical
> on brevets/permanents.  But I haven't tried to use them for conditions
> like fire roads or off-road.  For that I'd want something like 650Bx40
> or 26"x2".  I guess I'm more risk averse than some.
>
> Nick
>
> On Jan 6, 10:40 am, bicitourist  wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've been
> > running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my
> > commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no problems
> > but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? I know I'm
> > giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure there is a
> > sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 700x28 (but they
> > were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it was all those miles
> > on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but most of my miles are on
> > pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my first 200K and 300K this
> > year!
>
> > From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>
> > Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> > Pasela Wire bead
> > GB Cypres
>
> > Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[bicitourist]

Thanks everyone! I appreciate the advice.  Pasela's (wire bead) are on 
order! 

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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[bicitourist]

Has anyone tried the 700Cx32/35 Somas? 

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[RBW] Re: New News Post

[Mike]

Food of the Gods!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/3421742305/

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[RBW] Touring New Mexico

[MichaelH]

I just double crossed my wife by backing out of a trip to Barbados.
As I was about to order the tickets, I couldn't make my finger go down
and hit the button that put $900 for airfare on my CC.  I realized
that what I really waned to do was go back to NM.  I've been there
twice - Albuquerque & north - and never with a bike.

So I'm trying to talk her into a road trip, camping, riding, visiting
in the mid Feb. to mid March time frame.  I would welcome some
feedback from people either in the area or who have ridden there.
Weather, road conditions, camp sites, etc.

Thanks,
michael

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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Peter Pesce]

Eric-

In the pics, the folded tire on your rear rack is obviously kevlar
bead - are the tires on the bike wire bead or kevlar? It seems from
what I have found that all kevlar Paselas are TourGuard, but wire bead
Paselas can be TG or non-TG. Just curious which you were riding.

Thanks,

Pete

On Jan 6, 12:38 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
> Scroll down a bit and you can see my Quickbeam (with Paselas) in some photos 
> taken at the check-in before the start of PBP:  
> http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/articles/p-b-p/0xa12a94c.htm
>
> --Eric N
>
> On Jan 6, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>
> > I'm glad bictourist asked this question, because I was considering the
> > exact same thing.
>
> > Last thing I'd want on a century or brevet is to be fixing flats all
> > time but reading about all these "magical" tires I thought I was
> > riding real dogs with my Paselas, Hearing that Eric did PBP on them I
> > feel much better!
>
> > -Pete
>
> > On Jan 6, 12:03 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
> >> I'll also weigh in for the Paselas.  I've used them for many epic rides, 
> >> including PBP '07 (no flats in 765 miles).  I've seen the 700x32 size for 
> >> sale as low as $8 (annual sale at the UC Davis Bike Barn last year).  
>
> >> --Eric N
>
> >> On Jan 6, 2011, at 7:40 AM, bicitourist  wrote:
>
> >>> Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've 
> >>> been running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my 
> >>> commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no 
> >>> problems but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? 
> >>> I know I'm giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure 
> >>> there is a sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 
> >>> 700x28 (but they were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it 
> >>> was all those miles on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but 
> >>> most of my miles are on pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my 
> >>> first 200K and 300K this year!
>
> >>> From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>
> >>> Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> >>> Pasela Wire bead
> >>> GB Cypres
>
> >>> Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo
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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Mike]

If I'm not mistaken the Somas are basically just rebranded Paselas or
T-serves. The tread is the same. I've completed brevets on JB Greens
and Blues, Panaracer T-Serves and Panaracer Paseals. The JB blues were
probably the worst of the bunch. Like someone else mentioned, they
feel dead. At first I liked them but after a while they just don't cut
it. This year I rode an Super Randonneur series (200, 300, 400, and
600k brevets) on one set of JB Greens with no flats. They're nice
tires. This year I'll use one of the Panaracer tires--T-Serve, Pasela
TG, or wire Pasela. The think about the T-serves is that they can be
purchased with a reflective strip and have a tougher sidewall so less
chance of sidewall failure. They're a nice rolling tire. I've done
multiple century rides on 700x35 T-serves.

--mike

On Jan 6, 1:16 pm, bicitourist  wrote:
> Has anyone tried the 700Cx32/35 Somas?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Ken Mattina]

Sorry to make this more confusing, but there's one other tire that might be
interesting.

It's the Vittoria Randonneur Hyper.  It seems to be the tire of the moment
and lots of people are saying good things about it.

As soon as my Grand Bois Cypres tires are worn out, I plan on trying a pair.

Ken

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Mike  wrote:

> If I'm not mistaken the Somas are basically just rebranded Paselas or
> T-serves. The tread is the same. I've completed brevets on JB Greens
> and Blues, Panaracer T-Serves and Panaracer Paseals. The JB blues were
> probably the worst of the bunch. Like someone else mentioned, they
> feel dead. At first I liked them but after a while they just don't cut
> it. This year I rode an Super Randonneur series (200, 300, 400, and
> 600k brevets) on one set of JB Greens with no flats. They're nice
> tires. This year I'll use one of the Panaracer tires--T-Serve, Pasela
> TG, or wire Pasela. The think about the T-serves is that they can be
> purchased with a reflective strip and have a tougher sidewall so less
> chance of sidewall failure. They're a nice rolling tire. I've done
> multiple century rides on 700x35 T-serves.
>
> --mike
>
> On Jan 6, 1:16 pm, bicitourist  wrote:
> > Has anyone tried the 700Cx32/35 Somas?
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[RBW] Re: New News Post

[William]

mcorndogs

On Jan 6, 1:27 pm, Mike  wrote:
> Food of the Gods!
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/3421742305/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Eric Norris]

I *think* I ran kevlar bead tires at that time, but I'm fairly sure the tires 
were all Tour Guard.

--Eric N

On Jan 6, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Peter Pesce  wrote:

> Eric-
> 
> In the pics, the folded tire on your rear rack is obviously kevlar
> bead - are the tires on the bike wire bead or kevlar? It seems from
> what I have found that all kevlar Paselas are TourGuard, but wire bead
> Paselas can be TG or non-TG. Just curious which you were riding.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Pete
> 
> On Jan 6, 12:38 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
>> Scroll down a bit and you can see my Quickbeam (with Paselas) in some photos 
>> taken at the check-in before the start of PBP:  
>> http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/articles/p-b-p/0xa12a94c.htm
>> 
>> --Eric N
>> 
>> On Jan 6, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm glad bictourist asked this question, because I was considering the
>>> exact same thing.
>> 
>>> Last thing I'd want on a century or brevet is to be fixing flats all
>>> time but reading about all these "magical" tires I thought I was
>>> riding real dogs with my Paselas, Hearing that Eric did PBP on them I
>>> feel much better!
>> 
>>> -Pete
>> 
>>> On Jan 6, 12:03 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
 I'll also weigh in for the Paselas.  I've used them for many epic rides, 
 including PBP '07 (no flats in 765 miles).  I've seen the 700x32 size for 
 sale as low as $8 (annual sale at the UC Davis Bike Barn last year).  
>> 
 --Eric N
>> 
 On Jan 6, 2011, at 7:40 AM, bicitourist  wrote:
>> 
> Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've 
> been running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my 
> commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no 
> problems but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? 
> I know I'm giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure 
> there is a sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 
> 700x28 (but they were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it 
> was all those miles on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but 
> most of my miles are on pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my 
> first 200K and 300K this year!
>> 
> From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>> 
> Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> Pasela Wire bead
> GB Cypres
>> 
> Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo
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Re: [RBW] Touring New Mexico

[robert zeidler]

Dead man walking

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:30 PM, MichaelH  wrote:
> I just double crossed my wife by backing out of a trip to Barbados.
> As I was about to order the tickets, I couldn't make my finger go down
> and hit the button that put $900 for airfare on my CC.  I realized
> that what I really waned to do was go back to NM.  I've been there
> twice - Albuquerque & north - and never with a bike.
>
> So I'm trying to talk her into a road trip, camping, riding, visiting
> in the mid Feb. to mid March time frame.  I would welcome some
> feedback from people either in the area or who have ridden there.
> Weather, road conditions, camp sites, etc.
>
> Thanks,
> michael
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Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post

[Bruce]

My own plan is that I eat a breakfast bar (about 1/2 sugar and 1/2 cereal 
grains 
for carb content) an hour prior and then once an hour while riding. Supplement 
on longer rides with a banana as well.  






From: reynoldslugs 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 1:37:04 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: New News Post


Friends:

I have gone back and forth with low carbohydrate diets, and they work
ok for me, but for one significant problem:

How can one possibly do long rides on a low carbohydrate regimen?

Here is my query to the group:

I cannot figure out how to do a long ride - - say, anything more than
3 hours, or certainly something in the 8 - 10 hour range - - without
consuming lots of carbohydrates.

How do those of you that ascribe to this nutritional plan get through
multi-hour rides?

RL

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Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post

[Rene Sterental]

Well, I just finished reading Taube's book on my iPad. I'm traveling
for business and didn't want to wait. I have to say that even though I
was familiar with the concepts, his clear evidence based presentation
of the topic has left an indelible impression.

No more second guessing or partially trying to do something that
doesn't quite make a lasting change, as well as gaining the complete
understanding of what has been happening with me since I first learned
about carbohydrate addiction in 2002 after many previous failed
attempts.

I just got started on this approach with no dabbling or excuses. 20
net grams of carbs per day and all animal meats and fats. I was
already gluten free since June and lost about 20 lbs but had plateaud
since August due to all the gluten free carbs I was eating.

Now the path is fully clear and my paradigm on the subject has been
fully reshapen. What more can I say but thank Grant for bringing this
up to my attention with his post?

Thanks Grant!!! I'll still be purchasing a few books when you have
them in stock to give to family and friends as gifts of life.

René

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Jan 6, 2011, at 3:02 PM, andrew hill  wrote:

> if you are doing long workouts you should have some carbs.. low carb diets 
> work because they keep the glycogen reserves in the liver/muscles fairly low, 
> and that kicks the body over into a ketone pathway (gluconeogenesis) 
> metabolism from a glycogen pathway (glycogenolysis) metabolism.
>
> so you can (and should) have carbs if you are actively burning them with high 
> work output, essentially.
>
> to combine heavy or long workouts with low-carb simply requires you to plan 
> carb intake (above 20g at once, or above 60g per day) only on days when you 
> are actually burning through them.
>
> in fact, doing high-carb/workout days interspersed with very low carb days 
> (2-4 at a time) is an old-skool way of stripping off body fat very quickly, 
> called things like macronutrient cycling, carb refeeding, etc.
>
> best,
> andrew
>
> On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:37 AM, reynoldslugs wrote:
>
>>
>> Friends:
>>
>> I have gone back and forth with low carbohydrate diets, and they work
>> ok for me, but for one significant problem:
>>
>> How can one possibly do long rides on a low carbohydrate regimen?
>>
>> Here is my query to the group:
>>
>> I cannot figure out how to do a long ride - - say, anything more than
>> 3 hours, or certainly something in the 8 - 10 hour range - - without
>> consuming lots of carbohydrates.
>>
>> How do those of you that ascribe to this nutritional plan get through
>> multi-hour rides?
>>
>> RL
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Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post

[Anne Paulson]

Why does "Carbohydrates are delicious but you should avoid them"
differ in diet success from "Fats are delicious but you should avoid
them"? How is it easier to avoid delicious carbohydrates than
delicious fats?

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Rene Sterental  wrote:
> Well, I just finished reading Taube's book on my iPad. I'm traveling
> for business and didn't want to wait. I have to say that even though I
> was familiar with the concepts, his clear evidence based presentation
> of the topic has left an indelible impression.


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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[RoadieRyan]

I can only speak to the Pasela's but I am running 700x35c  wire beads
with Tour Guard and I love them.  I have run them at 85 psi and at
less than 60 and they run fine either way.  I ride on alot of rough
pavement in West Seattle and into downtown and they really smooth
things out.

I too found a great deal just be sure that you look carefully to see
if you are getting a version with Tour Guard (ie their flat protection
"kevlar") or no Tour Guard.  I also love the skinwall look and
Pasela's give you that option or just plain black

Ryan

On Jan 6, 7:40 am, bicitourist  wrote:
> Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've been
> running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my
> commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no problems
> but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? I know I'm
> giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure there is a
> sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 700x28 (but they
> were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it was all those miles
> on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but most of my miles are on
> pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my first 200K and 300K this
> year!
>
> From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>
> Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> Pasela Wire bead
> GB Cypres
>
> Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo

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Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post

[Rene Sterental]

Anne,

The short answer is that carbs create and trigger addiction responses, just
like nicotine, alcohol and other drugs. When you are hooked, you crave them
for all the reasons explained in the book (High insuline, lack of calories
for normal function because most are stored in the fat tissue, etc.)

Carbs and Fats do not create this addiciton response. Like fighting any
other addiction, you have to cut them off (we're talking primarily about
sugars and flours), go through the withdrawal phase like any other addicit
who wants out and keep the substance forever away from you.

There is no such thing as just one drink for alcoholics and there isn't such
a thing as just one bite of something sugary or with flour for a
carbohydrate addict either. Managing food is just harder than managing
cigarrettes or alcohol because you do have to continue eating and there are
many hidden addictive substances in many foods so staying alert is all that
much harder. Before you know it, you've relapsed into the addiciton like
it's happened to me and countless others.

For many in these programs, other emotional tools like 12 steps, etc. are
helpful as well. To me, something I started in June called EFT (Emotional
Freedom Technique) did the trick on the emotional side, but it's important
to understand (as Taube clearly points out) that this is a physiological
addictive response and has nothing to do with will power, self esteem or
anything like that.

Once you've gone through the withdrawal phase (Taube offers some good
solutions to minimize discomfortable effects and explains why they occur),
your cravings for carbohydrates really dissapear (YMMV). The problem is that
after losing a noticeable amount of weight and feeling incredibly great,
social pressure and established paradigms start acting on you and you feel
like you've been so good you should get a reward... and fall into the
slippery slope that will lead you back to the addiciton state. In my
experience, and believe me I'm fully convinced now as I've lived this cycle
several times, there is no freedom from the addiction and any reward should
never take the form of sugar/flour/bad carbohydrate, but more preferred
forms are bicycle, camera or any other such variations, apart from the
feeling of well-being that comes from having lost weight, looking now better
and feeling way much better.

I'm now reading the book that Taube recommends for more details on the
eating plan if you want them. His book quotes a very simple and correct
eating plan but he recommends this book for people who feel they need more
details and food plans. He references the works of one of the authors
several times. The book is "The New Atkins for a New You", published last
year and authored by Dr. Eric Westman. My opinion is that Taube's book is a
lot more powerful in its message, while Westman's book is tailored like a
diet book and has a much "softer" approach. Westman's book wouldn't have had
the same impact Taube's book did on my realization that the answers were
there all along, but somehow confused and mixed with the current paradigms
so it was all too confusing. The good thing about Westman's book is that he
provides qute a bit more detail on how to switch to this eating paradigm and
when touching the topic of exercise quotes a study that was done
with proffesional cyclists that proved that after a couple of weeks on the
plan, after their metabolisms adapted to the new change and were burning fat
instead of carbs, they showed no reduction in their endurance and maximal
efforts but didn't consume their normal carbohydrate reserves (glycogen in
the muscles and liver).

I know other authors talk about how to use carbs when excercising, but I'd
be willing to bet that if one takes the time to fully change eating
paradigms and sticks to the 20 grams/day goal, one should be able to fuel
during long rides using the same type of food rather than ingesting high
carbs for the sugar rush/release.

Both authors acknowledge that there is anecdotal evidence that inserting
high carb meals into the regular low carb ones helps with the weight loss,
sort of shaking the body a bit, but state there have been no formal studies
conducted to prove/disprove this so they leave it up to you.

When I've lost the 80 lbs I still need to lose, and start joining you on
those brevets like the one you so vividly reported a few days ago, I'll
hopefully have my own anectdotal evidence regarding how to best fuel for
them. In the meantime, I plan to stick to this paradigm as I continue to get
ready for my bike tour introductory course in May and will let you know
how these longer (for me) rides come along with the new eating plan.

Apologies for the lengthy message... :-)

René

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Anne Paulson  wrote:

> Why does "Carbohydrates are delicious but you should avoid them"
> differ in diet success from "Fats are delicious but you should avoid
> them"? How is it easier to avoid delicious carbohydrates than

Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post

[Anne Paulson]

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Rene Sterental  wrote:

> There is no such thing as just one drink for alcoholics and there isn't such
> a thing as just one bite of something sugary or with flour for a
> carbohydrate addict either.

OK, so then let's say I'm doing a brevet following this diet plan.
What am I eating? As far as I can tell, nothing that any randonneur I
know about eats while riding would qualify. Certainly no proprietary
energy food would be acceptable, nor would Coke, Gatorade, chocolate
milk, a sandwich, a granola bar, a banana or an almond Snickers bar.
Am I supposed to fill up my hypothetical bar tube bag with bacon?

The beer after the ride is also verboten, I take it, though wine is OK.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post

[andrew hill]

well, there are issues with both approaches, as blanket rules.

we should be avoiding some fats (saturated animal fats, especially omega-6s) 
and some carbs (simple sugars and grain-based) but enjoying other fats 
(vegetable oils, unsaturated animal/fish fats, especially omega-3s) and other 
carbs (complex, vegetable and fruit based).

the problem is that sugar and grain-based carbs as well as saturated fats 
usually taste extremely good.  they have a "valuable" taste, e.g. we are wired 
to find them preferable as they are calorically quite dense compared to 
unsaturated fats and non-blood-sugar-bumping carbs, and in an evolutionary 
sense finding these foods meant we could spend less time foraging and more time 
doing other things that start with an f.  

the yummy-but-bad fats and the yummy-but-bad carbs are actually bad for 
different reasons.  e.g. saturated fats and O6s lead to increased blood lipids 
and increased cytokine inflammatory responses, while the 
evolutionally-rare-in-nature carbs overdrive our insulin/leptin signaling 
systems to a point they cannot manage blood sugar levels and fat storage within 
healthy ranges.  

in addition, our western diets have been flooded by these foods (and especially 
grain/sugar carbs) as a function of business rather than nutrition.  the "fats 
are bad" misapprehension that started in the 70s and 80s pushed us even further 
towards carbs and sugar over the past 40 years, as foods were pumped up with 
sugars to ensure they were still palatable once the fats were removed.  add in 
consumption of weird engineered foods (HFCS, margarine) whose ratios of 
macronutrients is unusual, and we start seeing lots of secondary bad effects on 
metabolism, tissues, and growth/repair mechanisms.

-andrew


On Jan 6, 2011, at 4:39 PM, Anne Paulson wrote:

> Why does "Carbohydrates are delicious but you should avoid them"
> differ in diet success from "Fats are delicious but you should avoid
> them"? How is it easier to avoid delicious carbohydrates than
> delicious fats?
> 
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Rene Sterental  wrote:
>> Well, I just finished reading Taube's book on my iPad. I'm traveling
>> for business and didn't want to wait. I have to say that even though I
>> was familiar with the concepts, his clear evidence based presentation
>> of the topic has left an indelible impression.
> 
> 
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> 
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[RBW] FS: Cork Grips (old Rivendell style) $14 shipped

[Minh]

Hi guys, just working my way through the parts box, i have a pair of
cork grips for sale.  I got these maybe 2 years ago for an albatross
bar bike, so it's the old style ones.  They've been a box ever since,
never mounted, i ended up using a wood grip on that bike.  Here's a
picture, http://goo.gl/OsBXe

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Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post

[cyclotourist]

H, bacon...

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Anne Paulson  wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Rene Sterental 
> wrote:
>
> > There is no such thing as just one drink for alcoholics and there isn't
> such
> > a thing as just one bite of something sugary or with flour for a
> > carbohydrate addict either.
>
> OK, so then let's say I'm doing a brevet following this diet plan.
> What am I eating? As far as I can tell, nothing that any randonneur I
> know about eats while riding would qualify. Certainly no proprietary
> energy food would be acceptable, nor would Coke, Gatorade, chocolate
> milk, a sandwich, a granola bar, a banana or an almond Snickers bar.
> Am I supposed to fill up my hypothetical bar tube bag with bacon?
>
> The beer after the ride is also verboten, I take it, though wine is OK.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post

[Eric Norris]

I'm sorry, but can we please put an end to this thread? This topic is not 
Riv-related--if I want to read about pseudoscientific dietary theories I have 
many choices elsewhere. 

—Eric Norris

On Jan 6, 2011, at 5:12 PM, Rene Sterental  wrote:

> Anne,
>  
> The short answer is that carbs create and trigger addiction responses, just 
> like nicotine, alcohol and other drugs. When you are hooked, you crave them 
> for all the reasons explained in the book (High insuline, lack of calories 
> for normal function because most are stored in the fat tissue, etc.)
>  
> Carbs and Fats do not create this addiciton response. Like fighting any other 
> addiction, you have to cut them off (we're talking primarily about sugars and 
> flours), go through the withdrawal phase like any other addicit who wants out 
> and keep the substance forever away from you.
>  
> There is no such thing as just one drink for alcoholics and there isn't such 
> a thing as just one bite of something sugary or with flour for a carbohydrate 
> addict either. Managing food is just harder than managing cigarrettes or 
> alcohol because you do have to continue eating and there are many hidden 
> addictive substances in many foods so staying alert is all that much harder. 
> Before you know it, you've relapsed into the addiciton like it's happened to 
> me and countless others.
>  
> For many in these programs, other emotional tools like 12 steps, etc. are 
> helpful as well. To me, something I started in June called EFT (Emotional 
> Freedom Technique) did the trick on the emotional side, but it's important to 
> understand (as Taube clearly points out) that this is a physiological 
> addictive response and has nothing to do with will power, self esteem or 
> anything like that.
>  
> Once you've gone through the withdrawal phase (Taube offers some good 
> solutions to minimize discomfortable effects and explains why they occur), 
> your cravings for carbohydrates really dissapear (YMMV). The problem is that 
> after losing a noticeable amount of weight and feeling incredibly great, 
> social pressure and established paradigms start acting on you and you feel 
> like you've been so good you should get a reward... and fall into the 
> slippery slope that will lead you back to the addiciton state. In my 
> experience, and believe me I'm fully convinced now as I've lived this cycle 
> several times, there is no freedom from the addiction and any reward should 
> never take the form of sugar/flour/bad carbohydrate, but more preferred forms 
> are bicycle, camera or any other such variations, apart from the feeling of 
> well-being that comes from having lost weight, looking now better and feeling 
> way much better.
>  
> I'm now reading the book that Taube recommends for more details on the eating 
> plan if you want them. His book quotes a very simple and correct eating plan 
> but he recommends this book for people who feel they need more details and 
> food plans. He references the works of one of the authors several times. The 
> book is "The New Atkins for a New You", published last year and authored by 
> Dr. Eric Westman. My opinion is that Taube's book is a lot more powerful in 
> its message, while Westman's book is tailored like a diet book and has a much 
> "softer" approach. Westman's book wouldn't have had the same impact Taube's 
> book did on my realization that the answers were there all along, but somehow 
> confused and mixed with the current paradigms so it was all too confusing. 
> The good thing about Westman's book is that he provides qute a bit more 
> detail on how to switch to this eating paradigm and when touching the topic 
> of exercise quotes a study that was done with proffesional cyclists that 
> proved that after a couple of weeks on the plan, after their metabolisms 
> adapted to the new change and were burning fat instead of carbs, they showed 
> no reduction in their endurance and maximal efforts but didn't consume their 
> normal carbohydrate reserves (glycogen in the muscles and liver). 
>  
> I know other authors talk about how to use carbs when excercising, but I'd be 
> willing to bet that if one takes the time to fully change eating paradigms 
> and sticks to the 20 grams/day goal, one should be able to fuel during long 
> rides using the same type of food rather than ingesting high carbs for the 
> sugar rush/release.
>  
> Both authors acknowledge that there is anecdotal evidence that inserting high 
> carb meals into the regular low carb ones helps with the weight loss, sort of 
> shaking the body a bit, but state there have been no formal studies conducted 
> to prove/disprove this so they leave it up to you.
>  
> When I've lost the 80 lbs I still need to lose, and start joining you on 
> those brevets like the one you so vividly reported a few days ago, I'll 
> hopefully have my own anectdotal evidence regarding how to best fuel for 
> them. In the meantime, I plan to stick to this paradigm as I co

Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post

[Rene Sterental]

Anne,

I understand your dilemma. I don't have a good answer for you yet, aside
from speculating that if your metabolism is now in the fat burning mode, you
probably wouldn't deplete your muscle and liver glycogen (carb) reserves
like you do now (and bonk), and therefore, eating foods that provide the
high fat, high protein, low carb ratio would allow your body to continue
converting them into fat and burning them.

I'm no expert in long or super long rides (I've only done one century and
several metric centuries a few years ago) but I do know you're supposed to
do long rides at 70-80% of HR max intensity, which means that you should be
able to continue to use your new optimized and reawakened fat burning
metabolism, reserving the glycogen for any emergency quick energy need. That
is what I infer from what I've read and the study Westerman quoted.

One point that Taubes makes very emphatically is that it's animal fats that
in addition to helping with the weight loss, help improve all the health
markers (LDL, HDL, etc.) He quoted a study where eating vegetable fats,
while still achieving the weight loss due to the reduced carb intake, did
not improve the markers. He also makes a point that there are no bad animal
fats, that we believe so because it's been repeated for so long by the high
carb eating paradigm people. But we should stay away from processed
vegetable fats as they are harmful.

When I did my first century with Team in Training back in 2005, and then my
subsequent seasons with them, I found that the only way for me to finish the
rides was by eating carbs throughout the whole route. They would provide the
energy boost, but at the same time I would finish each ride feeling terribly
and painfully bloated. I didn't lose any weight during these seasons and
even in my state of ignorance at the time, I could tell that this was no
formula for success. At the time I thought that what I needed was more
training, but now I understand what was happening to me.

I'll be more than happy to share my experiences during 2011 on the subject.

René

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Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post

[Rene Sterental]

Why? Don't we plan to do long rides on our Riv bikes? I for certainly do, as
I just sold my carbon Specialized Roubaix and now only have Riv bikes aside
from my dual suspension mountain bike that has its place in my life as
well... :-)

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Eric Norris  wrote:

>  I'm sorry, but can we please put an end to this thread? This topic is not
> Riv-related--if I want to read about pseudoscientific dietary theories I
> have many choices elsewhere.
>
> —Eric Norris
>

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[RBW] Re: Touring New Mexico

[Jim Cloud]

Somehow, a bicycle camping trip to NM in the mid Feb. to March time
frame doesn't sound like quite the trip compared to Barbados!  It's
not particularly warm at that time of year, by the way.  (And, yes, I
did live in New Mexico for many years, it's my home state).  The
average high and low temperatures in Albuquerque in Feb. - 53/27.  I
guess that's balmy compared to Vermont!

Good luck getting your wife on board!

Jim Cloud


On Jan 6, 2:30 pm, MichaelH  wrote:
> I just double crossed my wife by backing out of a trip to Barbados.
> As I was about to order the tickets, I couldn't make my finger go down
> and hit the button that put $900 for airfare on my CC.  I realized
> that what I really waned to do was go back to NM.  I've been there
> twice - Albuquerque & north - and never with a bike.
>
> So I'm trying to talk her into a road trip, camping, riding, visiting
> in the mid Feb. to mid March time frame.  I would welcome some
> feedback from people either in the area or who have ridden there.
> Weather, road conditions, camp sites, etc.
>
> Thanks,
> michael

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[RBW] Re: New News Post

[charlie]

I thought doing uber long rides was not healthyunless you do
them at a very moderate pace so as to burn fat stores and not "rocket
fuel" carbohydrates ! Three hours of high intensity aerobic exercise
is plenty in my humble opinion. Long walks across the Savanna or long
rides across the state would necessitate eating but not necessarily
high glycemic carbs. I'd imagine a warm bowl of beans and meat
( chili ) might suffice upon resting coupled with vegetables, and some
berries and nuts nibbled along the way. The point I am trying to make
is that you have to eat if you are moving all day just as someone
would do if they had a physical labor job but gels and sports drinks
etc. seem like a poor substitute for real food. I think some of us
become exercise addicts thinking we will be better off for it somehow.
Ask anyone who really works physically hard for a living and see how
their bodies hold up when they get past their forties. Many are
saddled with arthritis, joint wear, back injuries etc. I'd rather do
just enough exercise to maintain good health, while eating properly
and not worry so much. I know what works for me move a little more,
eat a little less, avoid empty calorie foods for the most
part.and enjoy life, drink wine, sing songs, love your
family.

On Jan 6, 11:37 am, reynoldslugs  wrote:
> Friends:
>
> I have gone back and forth with low carbohydrate diets, and they work
> ok for me, but for one significant problem:
>
> How can one possibly do long rides on a low carbohydrate regimen?
>
> Here is my query to the group:
>
> I cannot figure out how to do a long ride - - say, anything more than
> 3 hours, or certainly something in the 8 - 10 hour range - - without
> consuming lots of carbohydrates.
>
> How do those of you that ascribe to this nutritional plan get through
> multi-hour rides?
>
> RL

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Re: [RBW] Re: Touring New Mexico

[Bill Gibson]

Wind. Should be sunny, though...and not a lot of tourists...

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Jim Cloud  wrote:

> Somehow, a bicycle camping trip to NM in the mid Feb. to March time
> frame doesn't sound like quite the trip compared to Barbados!  It's
> not particularly warm at that time of year, by the way.  (And, yes, I
> did live in New Mexico for many years, it's my home state).  The
> average high and low temperatures in Albuquerque in Feb. - 53/27.  I
> guess that's balmy compared to Vermont!
>
> Good luck getting your wife on board!
>
> Jim Cloud
>
>
> On Jan 6, 2:30 pm, MichaelH  wrote:
> > I just double crossed my wife by backing out of a trip to Barbados.
> > As I was about to order the tickets, I couldn't make my finger go down
> > and hit the button that put $900 for airfare on my CC.  I realized
> > that what I really waned to do was go back to NM.  I've been there
> > twice - Albuquerque & north - and never with a bike.
> >
> > So I'm trying to talk her into a road trip, camping, riding, visiting
> > in the mid Feb. to mid March time frame.  I would welcome some
> > feedback from people either in the area or who have ridden there.
> > Weather, road conditions, camp sites, etc.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > michael
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Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post

[Kelly Sleeper]

Who doesn't plan long rides on Riv bikes?  Never heard that one.  I plan on 
riding 12 to 15 centuries this year as usual.. I didn't read the book, but 
I'm lost as to anyone suggesting we wouldn't ride long rides.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post

[Rene Sterental]

Well, the discussion had just turned into what to eat during those long
rides, carbs being the traditional option and now, with Grant's web post
regarding Taube's book that triggered this thread, what would the high
protein/high fat alternative be and whether it would be viable and provide
the required energy to sustain a rider through one of these long rides.

I can say that for me this is a very interesting thread as I am planning to
do those rides but not planning on eating the traditional carbs... :-)

René

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:

> Who doesn't plan long rides on Riv bikes?  Never heard that one.  I plan on
> riding 12 to 15 centuries this year as usual.. I didn't read the book, but
> I'm lost as to anyone suggesting we wouldn't ride long rides.
>
> Kelly
>
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[RBW] Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring

[Rene Sterental]

Can anyone provide how the Berthoud Touring Saddles would compare to a B17
saddle? I own B17 saddles but have never ridden a Berthoud one.

Thanks,

René

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Re: [RBW] Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring

[cyclotourist]

This was just posted today:
http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2011/01/gilles-berthoud-saddles-something.html#comment-form

It's degrading to comments about whether it is or is not ugly, but the
original posting is really good.



On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Rene Sterental  wrote:

> Can anyone provide how the Berthoud Touring Saddles would compare to a B17
> saddle? I own B17 saddles but have never ridden a Berthoud one.
>
> Thanks,
>
> René
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Re: [RBW] Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring

[cyclotourist]

Better link:
http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2011/01/gilles-berthoud-saddles-something.html

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 9:46 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:

> This was just posted today:
> http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2011/01/gilles-berthoud-saddles-something.html#comment-form
>
> It's degrading to comments about whether it is or is not ugly, but the
> original posting is really good.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Rene Sterental wrote:
>
>> Can anyone provide how the Berthoud Touring Saddles would compare to a B17
>> saddle? I own B17 saddles but have never ridden a Berthoud one.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> René
>>
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Re: [RBW] Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring

[Rene Sterental]

Thank you! That's just what I was looking for.

René

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:46 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:

Better link:
http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2011/01/gilles-berthoud-saddles-something.html

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 9:46 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:

> This was just posted today:
> http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2011/01/gilles-berthoud-saddles-something.html#comment-form
>
> It's degrading to comments about whether it is or is not ugly, but the
> original posting is really good.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Rene Sterental wrote:
>
>> Can anyone provide how the Berthoud Touring Saddles would compare to a B17
>> saddle? I own B17 saddles but have never ridden a Berthoud one.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> René
>>
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Re: [RBW] Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring

[cyclotourist]

:-)

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Rene Sterental  wrote:

> Thank you! That's just what I was looking for.
>
> René
>
> Sent from my iPhone 4
>
> On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:46 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
> Better link:
> 
> http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2011/01/gilles-berthoud-saddles-something.html
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 9:46 PM, cyclotourist < 
> cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This was just posted today:
>> 
>> http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2011/01/gilles-berthoud-saddles-something.html#comment-form
>>
>> It's degrading to comments about whether it is or is not ugly, but the
>> original posting is really good.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Rene Sterental < 
>> orthie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Can anyone provide how the Berthoud Touring Saddles would compare to a
>>> B17 saddle? I own B17 saddles but have never ridden a Berthoud one.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> René
>>>
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>>
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[RBW] Nitto Front Racks

[Adam]

Thought I'd use the rebate to throw on a front rack...

Could anyone speak to whether the Nitto Two-Strut Top Rack is
compatible with canti brakes?

http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/nitto-two-strut-top-rack/20-190

I was planning to sit the small loafer up front...so then any reason
I'd choose the Two-Strut, which seems to manage a good amount of
weight,  v. the Mini Front Rack, which handles a smaller load and has
one strut?

http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/mini-front-nitto/20-020

Concerned about weight in the front, especially when I'm on longish
rides--frequent biking in the Oakland and Berkeley hills and it can be
plenty windy.

Any thoughts appreciated--

Best,
Adam

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[RBW] Re: AHH Gets A New Old Crank Set, Old Rear Derailleur - Feels Fantastic !

[AmiSingh]

So now that we have the attention of all the tall fellas, who wants in
on a SimpleOne?

I'd like a 68 frame.  As long as we get to the magic number (10 I
think?) they'll run a series for the giants.


On Jan 6, 6:30 am, David Klatte  wrote:
> Whoa, really? I am the same height or I might be a touch taller (6'7"
> everyday), with a pbh of 100, but my fingertip to fingertip is over
> 200cm. Did you mean 202? You must have.
>
> David (71 AHH)
>
> On Jan 5, 1:40 pm, AmiSingh  wrote:
>
>
>
> > It's a 69!
>
> > How tall are you Pat?  What's your PBH?  How about length, arm-to-arm?
>
> > I'm 6'7" on a good day, and my PBH hovers at98-99-100, depending on
> > how hard I pull up.  Across my back, fingertip to fingertip is 102cm.

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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[charlie]

I love my Marathon Supremes (700x40) actually about 37mm @ 65 psi but
then I am 265 right now. Paselas are nice enough. I like the plain
jane black wall 35's because they are cheap and wear as well as the
more pricey ones. To me the sweet spot is a 35-38mm tire at around
400-500 grams with 65-75 psi. Go wide with pride. you won't be
sorry plus you get the benefit of low cost "suspension" ! At your
weight (plus any luggage) 32mm tires at 85 psi is too harsh and no
faster IMHO.

On Jan 6, 7:40 am, bicitourist  wrote:
> Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've been
> running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my
> commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no problems
> but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? I know I'm
> giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure there is a
> sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 700x28 (but they
> were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it was all those miles
> on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but most of my miles are on
> pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my first 200K and 300K this
> year!
>
> From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>
> Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> Pasela Wire bead
> GB Cypres
>
> Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo

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