[RBW] Stolen Riv alert

[Justin August]

Not my Bleriot, but in Port-land.
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/2071354447.html

Sad.

-Justin

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[RBW] Re: Stolen Riv alert

[Mike]

I saw that too, really sad. I've seen the Bleriot around town for
years. I hope the owner gets it back.

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Re: [RBW] Was: Re: Simple One; Now: Stout bike tubing, threat or menace?

[robert zeidler]

...and that any ride you come back from alive is a good ride!

On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 11:51 PM, cyclotourist wrote:

> I did a quite scientific study of this earlier this summer.  The results:  Not
> much 
> difference.
> The good news is that both bikes are a lot of fun to ride!
>
> Almost got out for a ride today, but clear spells always seemed to line up
> with day-care duties.
>
> On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 8:01 PM, charlie  wrote:
>
>> Yea reallythe one pound frame weight diff can't make one
>> bike a "thudder" (whatever that means) its got to be the combination
>> of elements that influence ride qualities. As far as performance goes
>> you'd have to measure it over a long period and have direct
>> comparisons which is really hard to do. Headwinds, my energy,
>> hydration etc. there are so many variables that it just seems too
>> difficult to make comparisons. I have several bikes that range in
>> weight and components and even type and there seems to be no rhyme or
>> reason as to why one days "fast ride" happens on the heavy bike and
>> the next ride on the race bike is actually slower.  Actually I don't
>> even care I just want a derailleurless frame that will take
>> some use buy a middle aged, overweight guy who wants to ride to work
>> in the spring and summer and not have it prematurely crack somewhere.
>> A little thicker tubing makes me feel better about my purchase in the
>> long run...perhaps its a non issue in the real world as it appears
>> some of you are riding your QB's loaded with groceries or hopping ruts
>> and rocks on trails. That's certainly not something I would be doing
>> but rather up to 96 miles of smooth pavement during the week.. and
>> the primal diet.
>>
>> On Nov 20, 1:46 pm, CycloFiend  wrote:
>> > on 11/20/10 5:49 AM, robert zeidler at zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > Just as an added thought He is going too far in the "stout"
>> direction.
>> >  These things are way overbuilt and as a result, too heavy, or at least
>> > heaveir than they ought to be.  I know they don't care about that, but
>> at
>> > the end of a long day, that is when you start to notice the weight.  I
>> used
>> > think, well, I'll just get 5 lbs lighter and it's a wash, but it doesn't
>> > work that way for some reason.  My .02, YMMV.
>> >
>> > I'd have to dig back into my notes, but I think the resultant frame
>> > differences between "heavy" tubing and "light" tubing might mean a pound
>> on
>> > a ~60 cm frame.
>> >
>> > Now, you might be able to come up with a five pound difference in the
>> full
>> > build pretty readily, but it's not specifically a frameset issue.
>> >
>> > It does seem that the most recent models and revisions have tended
>> towards
>> > stouter framesets, but now that those changes have shaken through, we're
>> > presented with a range of models, which you could think of as "limber"
>> to
>> > "stout"...
>> >
>> > Roadeo/San Marcos - > Hilsen - > Hillborne -> Atlantis -> Hunquapillar -
>> >
>> > Bombadil
>> >
>> > My Quickbeam seems just a hair more limber than my Hilsen, and they are
>> both
>> > right in that range of feel that works for just about everything I like
>> to
>> > do.
>> >
>> > - Jim
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jim Edgar
>> > cyclofi...@earthlink.net
>> >
>> > Three T-shirts Now Available:
>> > "I've Got Downtube Shifters..." S/S T-shirt
>> > Cyclocross - "More Cowbell" L/S T-shirt
>> > "One Cog - Zero Excuses" L/S T-shirthttp://www.cyclofiend.com/stuff
>> >
>> > Gallery updates now appear here -http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com
>> >
>> > Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com
>> > Current Classics - Cross Bikes
>> > Singlespeed - Working Bikes
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[RBW] Re: 47 cm Atlantis finds new home

[rperks]

Cool deal Doug,
so now you guys have matching bikes? ;)
It sounds like karma pooints for bragging on the versitility justa few
days before.  Now you need to find one at a garage sale for your
brother.

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On Nov 20, 3:01 pm, doug peterson  wrote:
> Cyclotourist spotted a 47 cm Atlantis in the LA CL and forwarded it to
> several So Cal locals.  My wife takes a very small frame and this
> sounded interesting, even though she wasn't looking for a new bike.
> Well, we just got home with a barely ridden (my guess is 03 or 04)
> Atlantis in standard Riv build.  The gal we bought it from listed it
> for $1200 for quick sale and somehow we were lucky enough to be the
> first serious inquiry.  The bike is so nice & was such a deal I didn't
> have the heart to even make a lower offer.  We feel truly lucky to
> have scored this one.
>
> dougP

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[RBW] wtb: Mark's Rack

[karpowicz]

if and when any of you folks want to sell your Mark's Rack, let me know.  I'm 
looking to buy.

Thanks.


ken

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[RBW] SimpleTwo?

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

Hi, all!

Does anyone have any experience with the sorta new Sturmey-Archer duomatic hub? 
If so... Are they of reasonable quality (as opposed to being a novelty or a 
fashion-gimmick or something intended for a department-store  bike)? If you 
have no experience but would venture an opinion, would you *expect* them to be 
of reasonable quality? (I know nothing about the modern Sturmey-Archer company 
or about low-gear-count IGHs at all.)

Could you imagine one on a Quickbeam/SimpleOne?

I like the idea of a singlespeed bike. But I expect that with my weight 
(~240ish) and given that I have already flirted with slight knee pain, riding a 
singlespeed bike very much would not be my favorite thing (or the smartest 
thing) to do. Over time, I expect that launches would challenge my knees with 
any gearing that I could contemplate cruising in. I understand that the 
SimpleOne is designed to be more than just a singlespeed. But I know me; I 
really can't see me hopping off the bike and moving the rear wheel whenever I 
needed to exploit that fact.

However, I've done some gearing arithmetic and have concluded that I might be 
happy with the two-speed duomatic hub. I could imagine launching in "low" 
(somewhat carefully) and then cruising in "high" (somewhat spinningly). But the 
"carefully" and "Spinningly" parts would be generally "good things to do" 
sometimes anyway. And, though I am in now way tired of biking the way I do now, 
I am on the lookout for ways to "mix it up" so as to keep riding as long as 
possible (think numbers of years, not distance per ride). I'm thinking the 
duomatic might even prove a "gateway hub" to actual singlespeed riding (theory 
being that if I keep riding in general, and sometimes a two-speed in 
particular, I'll continue to get healthier and become less vulnerable to knee 
pain as a result). I'm not remotely considering doing away with multi-speed 
riding (why would I leave my home in Hillborne heaven?).

I've had uniformly bad experiences with multi-speed IGHs in the past (7- and 
8-speed Shimanos of 5+ years ago). But I'm open to the idea that, with the 
duomatic being a two-speed and with IGHs having perhaps improved as they've 
become more popular in the mainstream since then, it might not give me problems 
like those hubs of yore.

Any thoughts?

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean
P.S.
One possibility I'm considering is a completely cable-less SimpleOne with the 
coaster-brake version of the duomatic. That's the way I often rode bikes 
growing up; one rear brake, one rear gear. Though there'd be complexity hidden 
in the hub, the rest of the bike would be as simple as it gets.

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[RBW] Re: SimpleTwo?

[charlie]

I've thought of this too but I have found the rhythm of the ride on a
single speed or in the case of the soon to be  Simple One, two speed,
to be different than a multi geared machine. My own home built with
two ratios ( 51 and 65) works on all but the steepest hills and I am
265 and 52 years of age. Granted the spin on the flats can be somewhat
irritating but not when you consider the climbing you will be doing.
In fact, I find myself welcoming it. I find that more effort is used
in climbing and I climb faster.  When I get to the downhill side I
coast and spin easily on the flats. I took a local 15 mile route with
many hills and decided I would do it in the 51 inch and though I would
go nuts with the excessive spinning but it wasn't bad at all and kind
of relaxing. I only changed to the 65 inch at the last flat portion of
the ride and took my time. If I were on a multi geared bike I would
have been shifting up and pedaling on the downhills and shifting down
and grinding up the climbs expending equal amounts of energy all the
time and riding no faster.  I think the QB setup is faster to change
ratios than my current ride and the option of a really low climbing
gear on the flip side is attractive. With a 22 tooth freewheel you can
get a 39 inch gear which isn't bad for most regular steep hills. If I
can't climb a hill I stop and walk or rest and continue. Most of the
time on my particular route, I stay in the 65 inch and spin up to 130
rpm when I want to go fast, which isn't often. Someone riding a multi
geared bike might be frustrated with your different ride rhythm  but
for solo rides and flat to rolling ground it makes little difference.

On Nov 21, 7:50 am, "Thomas Lynn Skean" 
wrote:
> Hi, all!
>
> Does anyone have any experience with the sorta new Sturmey-Archer duomatic 
> hub? If so... Are they of reasonable quality (as opposed to being a novelty 
> or a fashion-gimmick or something intended for a department-store  bike)? If 
> you have no experience but would venture an opinion, would you *expect* them 
> to be of reasonable quality? (I know nothing about the modern Sturmey-Archer 
> company or about low-gear-count IGHs at all.)
>
> Could you imagine one on a Quickbeam/SimpleOne?
>
> I like the idea of a singlespeed bike. But I expect that with my weight 
> (~240ish) and given that I have already flirted with slight knee pain, riding 
> a singlespeed bike very much would not be my favorite thing (or the smartest 
> thing) to do. Over time, I expect that launches would challenge my knees with 
> any gearing that I could contemplate cruising in. I understand that the 
> SimpleOne is designed to be more than just a singlespeed. But I know me; I 
> really can't see me hopping off the bike and moving the rear wheel whenever I 
> needed to exploit that fact.
>
> However, I've done some gearing arithmetic and have concluded that I might be 
> happy with the two-speed duomatic hub. I could imagine launching in "low" 
> (somewhat carefully) and then cruising in "high" (somewhat spinningly). But 
> the "carefully" and "Spinningly" parts would be generally "good things to do" 
> sometimes anyway. And, though I am in now way tired of biking the way I do 
> now, I am on the lookout for ways to "mix it up" so as to keep riding as long 
> as possible (think numbers of years, not distance per ride). I'm thinking the 
> duomatic might even prove a "gateway hub" to actual singlespeed riding 
> (theory being that if I keep riding in general, and sometimes a two-speed in 
> particular, I'll continue to get healthier and become less vulnerable to knee 
> pain as a result). I'm not remotely considering doing away with multi-speed 
> riding (why would I leave my home in Hillborne heaven?).
>
> I've had uniformly bad experiences with multi-speed IGHs in the past (7- and 
> 8-speed Shimanos of 5+ years ago). But I'm open to the idea that, with the 
> duomatic being a two-speed and with IGHs having perhaps improved as they've 
> become more popular in the mainstream since then, it might not give me 
> problems like those hubs of yore.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Yours,
> Thomas Lynn Skean
> P.S.
> One possibility I'm considering is a completely cable-less SimpleOne with the 
> coaster-brake version of the duomatic. That's the way I often rode bikes 
> growing up; one rear brake, one rear gear. Though there'd be complexity 
> hidden in the hub, the rest of the bike would be as simple as it gets.

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[RBW] Re: SimpleTwo?

[Tim McNamara]

On Nov 21, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote:

One possibility I'm considering is a completely cable-less  
SimpleOne with the coaster-brake version of the duomatic. That's  
the way I often rode bikes growing up; one rear brake, one rear  
gear. Though there'd be complexity hidden in the hub, the rest of  
the bike would be as simple as it gets.


I can't comment on the S-A two speed hub, but I did build up a track  
bike with a coaster brake rear wheel for commuting some years back,  
because (1) I already had the bike from my racing days and (2) it was  
a real track bike so there were no provisions for brakes at all.  It  
worked fine but worried people would ask me where my brakes are  
(especially when they saw me coasting).  If the markings on the brake  
arm were to be believed, this is a 1938 Bendix hub and is smooth as  
silk.


I eventually transferred that wheel to another bike and sold the  
track bike to someone who wanted to race at our local velodrome.  On  
the new bike, I put on a front brake because if the chain ever broke  
I would have no brakes.  I used one of those interrupter brake levers  
by the stem which kept a very simple look to the bike.  Now that bike  
has a coaster brake 3 speed hub.


So my advice would be to have a front brake just in case.

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[RBW] Re: Was: Re: Simple One; Now: Stout bike tubing, threat or menace?

[Jeremy Till]

Is that the cyclists' version of the old pilots' adage, "any landing
you can walk away from..."?

On Nov 21, 6:58 am, robert zeidler  wrote:
> ...and that any ride you come back from alive is a good ride!
>
> On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 11:51 PM, cyclotourist wrote:
>
> > I did a quite scientific study of this earlier this summer.  The results:  
> > Not
> > much 
> > difference.
> > The good news is that both bikes are a lot of fun to ride!
>
> > Almost got out for a ride today, but clear spells always seemed to line up
> > with day-care duties.
>
> > On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 8:01 PM, charlie  wrote:
>
> >> Yea reallythe one pound frame weight diff can't make one
> >> bike a "thudder" (whatever that means) its got to be the combination
> >> of elements that influence ride qualities. As far as performance goes
> >> you'd have to measure it over a long period and have direct
> >> comparisons which is really hard to do. Headwinds, my energy,
> >> hydration etc. there are so many variables that it just seems too
> >> difficult to make comparisons. I have several bikes that range in
> >> weight and components and even type and there seems to be no rhyme or
> >> reason as to why one days "fast ride" happens on the heavy bike and
> >> the next ride on the race bike is actually slower.  Actually I don't
> >> even care I just want a derailleurless frame that will take
> >> some use buy a middle aged, overweight guy who wants to ride to work
> >> in the spring and summer and not have it prematurely crack somewhere.
> >> A little thicker tubing makes me feel better about my purchase in the
> >> long run...perhaps its a non issue in the real world as it appears
> >> some of you are riding your QB's loaded with groceries or hopping ruts
> >> and rocks on trails. That's certainly not something I would be doing
> >> but rather up to 96 miles of smooth pavement during the week.. and
> >> the primal diet.
>
> >> On Nov 20, 1:46 pm, CycloFiend  wrote:
> >> > on 11/20/10 5:49 AM, robert zeidler at zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >> > Just as an added thought He is going too far in the "stout"
> >> direction.
> >> >  These things are way overbuilt and as a result, too heavy, or at least
> >> > heaveir than they ought to be.  I know they don't care about that, but
> >> at
> >> > the end of a long day, that is when you start to notice the weight.  I
> >> used
> >> > think, well, I'll just get 5 lbs lighter and it's a wash, but it doesn't
> >> > work that way for some reason.  My .02, YMMV.
>
> >> > I'd have to dig back into my notes, but I think the resultant frame
> >> > differences between "heavy" tubing and "light" tubing might mean a pound
> >> on
> >> > a ~60 cm frame.
>
> >> > Now, you might be able to come up with a five pound difference in the
> >> full
> >> > build pretty readily, but it's not specifically a frameset issue.
>
> >> > It does seem that the most recent models and revisions have tended
> >> towards
> >> > stouter framesets, but now that those changes have shaken through, we're
> >> > presented with a range of models, which you could think of as "limber"
> >> to
> >> > "stout"...
>
> >> > Roadeo/San Marcos - > Hilsen - > Hillborne -> Atlantis -> Hunquapillar -
>
> >> > Bombadil
>
> >> > My Quickbeam seems just a hair more limber than my Hilsen, and they are
> >> both
> >> > right in that range of feel that works for just about everything I like
> >> to
> >> > do.
>
> >> > - Jim
>
> >> > --
> >> > Jim Edgar
> >> > cyclofi...@earthlink.net
>
> >> > Three T-shirts Now Available:
> >> > "I've Got Downtube Shifters..." S/S T-shirt
> >> > Cyclocross - "More Cowbell" L/S T-shirt
> >> > "One Cog - Zero Excuses" L/S T-shirthttp://www.cyclofiend.com/stuff
>
> >> > Gallery updates now appear here -http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com
>
> >> > Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com
> >> > Current Classics - Cross Bikes
> >> > Singlespeed - Working Bikes
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> > David
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> > probably benefit more from
> > improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS
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[RBW] Re: 47 cm Atlantis finds new home

[doug peterson]

Rob:

My not so li'l bro likes heavy duty everything.  I pointed him to the
Hunq & he said "that's my kinda bike".  Now, if he'll just pry open
his wallet...

My wife was a little bit nervous the Atlantis might be heavier than
her aluminum Trek, so I weighed both in her presence.  22 lbs each,
sans any racks or sacks.  Thank the 26" wheels shod with 1" tires on
the Atlantis vs the 700c Matrix ISO rims with 28 mm Pasela Tourgards
on the Trek.  Those 1" tires have got to go; I get nervous looking at
them.

dougP

On Nov 21, 7:10 am, rperks  wrote:
> Cool deal Doug,
> so now you guys have matching bikes? ;)
> It sounds like karma pooints for bragging on the versitility justa few
> days before.  Now you need to find one at a garage sale for your
> brother.
>
> --
>
> Rob Perks
> oceanaircycles.com
>
> On Nov 20, 3:01 pm, doug peterson  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Cyclotourist spotted a 47 cm Atlantis in the LA CL and forwarded it to
> > several So Cal locals.  My wife takes a very small frame and this
> > sounded interesting, even though she wasn't looking for a new bike.
> > Well, we just got home with a barely ridden (my guess is 03 or 04)
> > Atlantis in standard Riv build.  The gal we bought it from listed it
> > for $1200 for quick sale and somehow we were lucky enough to be the
> > first serious inquiry.  The bike is so nice & was such a deal I didn't
> > have the heart to even make a lower offer.  We feel truly lucky to
> > have scored this one.
>
> > dougP- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Simple One

[Noel]

A one pound weight difference in a frame actually indicates a fairly
significant difference in tubing thickness. Speaking only for myself,
significant differences in tubing thicknesses make for significant
differences in ride quality.

Now, I don't exactly agree with Jan's "planing" hypothesis, and I
don't feel I'm any faster or slower on bikes with thicker or thinner
tubing, but I do indeed prefer the "feel" (how's that for an objective
measurement?) of thinner wall tubing. Heavy gauge tubing (meaning
anything over .9/.7/.9) of standard diameter and *any* gauge OS tubing
feels wooden and dead to me - "thudding" is  a pretty good
description, IMO. I personally find that a mix of .8/.5/.8 and .
9/.7/.9 standard diameter makes for a lively frame - and I'm 200
pounds on a 63 cm. frame.

Weight? Don't know and don't care. If I wanted light I'd by a Madone.
All I care about is ride quality, and I agree that Grant/Riv are
building frames out of such heavy tubing that ride quality suffers -
even with my beloved Grand Bois Hetres. Thankfully, enough people
disagree with me that Rivendell is able to keep its doors open!

Noel
Orange County, CA.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Was: Re: Simple One; Now: Stout bike tubing, threat or menace?

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sun, 2010-11-21 at 09:05 -0800, Jeremy Till wrote:
> Is that the cyclists' version of the old pilots' adage, "any landing
> you can walk away from..."?


That's pretty much what I said about the crash I had on Wednesday.



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[RBW] Splats - Flap?

[JimD]

After yesterday's rainy ride I'm pondering these things.

Anybody got splats?

Do the toes flap?

What keeps the toe portion down?

I see by the photos on Riv's www site that Splats are dual purpose;  
they make fine bibs.



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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet dropout cracks

[CycloFiend]

on 11/20/10 9:37 PM, rw1911 at rw1...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm fairly new to the world of Rivendell and the current Rambouillet
> serial number thread got me thinking...
> 
> I have seen more than one report of Rambouillet right rear dropouts
> cracking.  Was a root cause ever identified such as a weight limit or
> manufacturing defect?  Was there a change during the Rambouillet's
> production put in place to address this issue?  If so when? (s/n
> range, etc.)
> 
> (or is this a randomly occurring non-issue?)

Breaking a frame is never a non-issue, but the most common break on any
conventional bicycle frame is probabaly the right chainstay.  It's a highly
stressed area which tends to have the thinnest bits of metal connected to
it. 

The last post I recall about such a thing was in 2008 -

http://tinyurl.com/ram-break

I don't think anyone, at any time, was making the claim that it was a design
flaw.  Hence, no changes necessary.

Structurally, you have a dropout which is brazed to two tapered steel tubes.
Then that structure has torquing forces applied to it by the drivetrain, as
well as flexing from the road. A lot of force applied to a small area will
yield some failures, and those failures certainly weren't limited to
Rambouillets or Rivendells.

GP - in that thread above - puts it pretty clearly:
"You knowas much as we try, as conscientious as we are, as much as
we speak, believe and communicate that what we do is sincere and based
on quite-a-lot-of experience and not cutting corners and so on...once
in a while a frame breaks. Statistically it is inevitable. It is a
drag to have it aired, but so be it... Companies are supposed to be
impersonal and without feelings, just companies, and so there it is.
In this particular case, it is a break we've seen before. That doesn't
mean it's a defect, either in design, manufacturing, or materials. The
internet has the potential to expose-maybe for the good, I don't know--
every little embarassment that may befall us or them or even y'all.
We will get the frame back. The dropout will be repaired and made
stronger than new. Meanwhile, I hold on to this fact dearly: Better a
rear dropout than a fork. Better in repairable steel than in carbon."

- Jim

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Re: [RBW] Re: Simple One

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on 11/21/10 10:31 AM, Noel at emiller3...@gmail.com wrote:

> Weight? Don't know and don't care. If I wanted light I'd by a Madone.
> All I care about is ride quality, and I agree that Grant/Riv are
> building frames out of such heavy tubing that ride quality suffers -
> even with my beloved Grand Bois Hetres.

Which frame are you riding?

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[RBW] Rambouillet dropout cracks

[rw1911]

I'm fairly new to the world of Rivendell and the current Rambouillet
serial number thread got me thinking...

I have seen more than one report of Rambouillet right rear dropouts
cracking.  Was a root cause ever identified such as a weight limit or
manufacturing defect?  Was there a change during the Rambouillet's
production put in place to address this issue?  If so when? (s/n
range, etc.)

(or is this a randomly occurring non-issue?)

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[RBW] Re: Stolen Riv alert

[rcnute]

Seems like a weird bike to steal.  Then again, someone stole my
Kogswell prototype and there were only three of them...

Hopefully the thief is caught and punished according to Saudi law.

Ryan

On Nov 21, 6:24 am, Justin August  wrote:
> Not my Bleriot, but in 
> Port-land.http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/2071354447.html
>
> Sad.
>
> -Justin

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[RBW] Re: Simple One

[Noel]

My main bike is a modern copy of a Rene Herse, made with .8/.5/.8
standard diameter tubing.

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[RBW] Re: Simple One

[Noel]

My main bike is a modern copy of a Rene Herse, made with .8/.5/.8
standard diameter tubing.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Top Rack R14 & Nigel Smith Big Loafer

[Shaun Meehan]

Bag and rack are sold. Lots of quick responses! Thank you all for your interest.

Shaun Meehan


On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Shaun Meehan  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm selling these because I'm using other bags/racks and these are
> just sitting around.
>
> Nitto Top Rack R14, used but in excellent condition: $75
>
> Nigel Smith Big Loafer, older style blue tweed, also used but in
> excellent condition, brass has some discoloration: $60
>
> Pictures here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shaun_meehan/
>
> Prices include shipping if it's within the lower 48. Please e-mail me
> if you're interested.
>
> Shaun Meehan
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Simple One - Heavy Frames?

[JimD]

I'm not Noel but here's my take

I've have/had the following rivs:
Romulus, Bleriot, Saluki, and a Riv custom.
I also have a Madone.

I've never found these Rivs to suffer in ride quality.
I guess the Romulus seemed a bit more robust than the custom, but I  
chose/choose any of the Rivs
over the Madone for rides longer than 50 miles.  The custom rides so  
nicely that I choose it over all others

for any ride of any length.

I suspect that the custom has tubing pretty much akin to the Roadeo  
and the custom is the nicest riding bike

I've had the pleasure to experience in my > 30 years of riding.

-JimD


On Nov 21, 2010, at 10:43 AM, CycloFiend wrote:


on 11/21/10 10:31 AM, Noel at emiller3...@gmail.com wrote:


Weight? Don't know and don't care. If I wanted light I'd by a Madone.
All I care about is ride quality, and I agree that Grant/Riv are
building frames out of such heavy tubing that ride quality suffers -
even with my beloved Grand Bois Hetres.


Which frame are you riding?

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[RBW] Re: Simple One

[Noel]

Ah, sorry. It was a pair, actually, both borrowed so I'm afraid I
can't tell you what they were.

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[RBW] Re: SimpleTwo?

[Justin August]

Just a note on the lack of a brake and relying on a coaster brake:
I did this for a while and then one day threw my chain going over the
Gray's Ferry bridge in Philly. I am exceptionally lucky that I was on
the uphill part of it going East. Had it happened 2 minutes later I
would have been up that creek without a paddle. While it definitely
could have just been my setup it convinced me of the need for a
handbrake on all my bikes.

-Justin

On Nov 21, 10:50 am, "Thomas Lynn Skean" 
wrote:
> Hi, all!
>
> Does anyone have any experience with the sorta new Sturmey-Archer duomatic 
> hub? If so... Are they of reasonable quality (as opposed to being a novelty 
> or a fashion-gimmick or something intended for a department-store  bike)? If 
> you have no experience but would venture an opinion, would you *expect* them 
> to be of reasonable quality? (I know nothing about the modern Sturmey-Archer 
> company or about low-gear-count IGHs at all.)
>
> Could you imagine one on a Quickbeam/SimpleOne?
>
> I like the idea of a singlespeed bike. But I expect that with my weight 
> (~240ish) and given that I have already flirted with slight knee pain, riding 
> a singlespeed bike very much would not be my favorite thing (or the smartest 
> thing) to do. Over time, I expect that launches would challenge my knees with 
> any gearing that I could contemplate cruising in. I understand that the 
> SimpleOne is designed to be more than just a singlespeed. But I know me; I 
> really can't see me hopping off the bike and moving the rear wheel whenever I 
> needed to exploit that fact.
>
> However, I've done some gearing arithmetic and have concluded that I might be 
> happy with the two-speed duomatic hub. I could imagine launching in "low" 
> (somewhat carefully) and then cruising in "high" (somewhat spinningly). But 
> the "carefully" and "Spinningly" parts would be generally "good things to do" 
> sometimes anyway. And, though I am in now way tired of biking the way I do 
> now, I am on the lookout for ways to "mix it up" so as to keep riding as long 
> as possible (think numbers of years, not distance per ride). I'm thinking the 
> duomatic might even prove a "gateway hub" to actual singlespeed riding 
> (theory being that if I keep riding in general, and sometimes a two-speed in 
> particular, I'll continue to get healthier and become less vulnerable to knee 
> pain as a result). I'm not remotely considering doing away with multi-speed 
> riding (why would I leave my home in Hillborne heaven?).
>
> I've had uniformly bad experiences with multi-speed IGHs in the past (7- and 
> 8-speed Shimanos of 5+ years ago). But I'm open to the idea that, with the 
> duomatic being a two-speed and with IGHs having perhaps improved as they've 
> become more popular in the mainstream since then, it might not give me 
> problems like those hubs of yore.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Yours,
> Thomas Lynn Skean
> P.S.
> One possibility I'm considering is a completely cable-less SimpleOne with the 
> coaster-brake version of the duomatic. That's the way I often rode bikes 
> growing up; one rear brake, one rear gear. Though there'd be complexity 
> hidden in the hub, the rest of the bike would be as simple as it gets.

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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleTwo?

[Ray Shine]

Disregard prior question. I found it.





From: Ray Shine 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 21, 2010 12:03:29 PM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleTwo?


I went to the Sturmey web site.  It does not list a 2-speed hub.  Where did 
that 
info come from?





From: Tim McNamara 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 21, 2010 9:18:56 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: SimpleTwo?

On Nov 21, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote:

> One possibility I'm considering is a completely cable-less SimpleOne with the 
>coaster-brake version of the duomatic. That's the way I often rode bikes 
>growing 
>up; one rear brake, one rear gear. Though there'd be complexity hidden in the 
>hub, the rest of the bike would be as simple as it gets.

I can't comment on the S-A two speed hub, but I did build up a track bike with 
a 
coaster brake rear wheel for commuting some years back, because (1) I already 
had the bike from my racing days and (2) it was a real track bike so there were 
no provisions for brakes at all.  It worked fine but worried people would ask 
me 
where my brakes are (especially when they saw me coasting).  If the markings on 
the brake arm were to be believed, this is a 1938 Bendix hub and is smooth as 
silk.

I eventually transferred that wheel to another bike and sold the track bike to 
someone who wanted to  race at our local velodrome.  On the new bike, I put on 
a 
front brake because if the chain ever broke I would have no brakes.  I used one 
of those interrupter brake levers by the stem which kept a very simple look to 
the bike.  Now that bike has a coaster brake 3 speed hub.

So my advice would be to have a front brake just in case.

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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleTwo?

[Ray Shine]

I went to the Sturmey web site.  It does not list a 2-speed hub.  Where did 
that 
info come from?





From: Tim McNamara 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 21, 2010 9:18:56 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: SimpleTwo?

On Nov 21, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote:

> One possibility I'm considering is a completely cable-less SimpleOne with the 
>coaster-brake version of the duomatic. That's the way I often rode bikes 
>growing 
>up; one rear brake, one rear gear. Though there'd be complexity hidden in the 
>hub, the rest of the bike would be as simple as it gets.

I can't comment on the S-A two speed hub, but I did build up a track bike with 
a 
coaster brake rear wheel for commuting some years back, because (1) I already 
had the bike from my racing days and (2) it was a real track bike so there were 
no provisions for brakes at all.  It worked fine but worried people would ask 
me 
where my brakes are (especially when they saw me coasting).  If the markings on 
the brake arm were to be believed, this is a 1938 Bendix hub and is smooth as 
silk.

I eventually transferred that wheel to another bike and sold the track bike to 
someone who wanted to race at our local velodrome.  On the new bike, I put on a 
front brake because if the chain ever broke I would have no brakes.  I used one 
of those interrupter brake levers by the stem which kept a very simple look to 
the bike.  Now that bike has a coaster brake 3 speed hub.

So my advice would be to have a front brake just in case.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Simple One

[robert zeidler]

Well said my friend and this is what I failed to say earlier.  Unless you're
racing for the rent money, it is completely and totally about how you feel.
 If you are 1/2 slower on a metric century, but had a great time, that's
what counts.

Speaking of Jan, whom I really respect, but nonetheless, he says rando's
aren't racing but that's what they are doing.  I stopped racing wy back
in '92-it was time.  It took a while to get it out of my blood.  I still
like going fast, but when I ride a century or a double metric, I make sure
there is a lot of fun mixed in.  If I want to snap a pic I do it.  Were are
all going to end up in the same place eventually.  Think it will matter who
got there first? (just a litl joke!).

On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Noel  wrote:

> A one pound weight difference in a frame actually indicates a fairly
> significant difference in tubing thickness. Speaking only for myself,
> significant differences in tubing thicknesses make for significant
> differences in ride quality.
>
> Now, I don't exactly agree with Jan's "planing" hypothesis, and I
> don't feel I'm any faster or slower on bikes with thicker or thinner
> tubing, but I do indeed prefer the "feel" (how's that for an objective
> measurement?) of thinner wall tubing. Heavy gauge tubing (meaning
> anything over .9/.7/.9) of standard diameter and *any* gauge OS tubing
> feels wooden and dead to me - "thudding" is  a pretty good
> description, IMO. I personally find that a mix of .8/.5/.8 and .
> 9/.7/.9 standard diameter makes for a lively frame - and I'm 200
> pounds on a 63 cm. frame.
>
> Weight? Don't know and don't care. If I wanted light I'd by a Madone.
> All I care about is ride quality, and I agree that Grant/Riv are
> building frames out of such heavy tubing that ride quality suffers -
> even with my beloved Grand Bois Hetres. Thankfully, enough people
> disagree with me that Rivendell is able to keep its doors open!
>
> Noel
> Orange County, CA.
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[RBW] Re: Problem with adjusting the rear derailler / bar-end shifters

[Juhani]

Hi guys,

Yes, I’m still trying to figure out the problem. I promise I'll let
you know if I get it fixed.

At the moment, I’m riding the bike with friction shifting, but I hope
the indexing is eventually going to start working.

I'll show the bike to the mechanic in my LBS next week. The guy in
internet shop who sold me the shifter (and the other stuff) is going
to talk with his mechanic as well. Maybe they can figure it out.

Thanks for the link Eddie. I’ll check it out.

And thanks for the advices Jim. I’ve checked all the housing ferrules
and I think they’re just fine. Also both cassette and freehub body is
correctly torqued.

Regards, Juhani

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[RBW] Re: SimpleTwo?

[Philip Williamson]

That brakeless kickback hub looks great.

I'd like to be able to take the coaster brake out of my Sachs
Automatic. I prefer to be able to backpedal to reorient my pedals at
stops, and the brake is like 10 oz...

 Philip

 Philip Williamson
www.biketinker.com

On Nov 21, 12:21 pm, Doug Van Cleve  wrote:
> This would be super cool on a bike like you 
> describe:http://www.sturmey-archer.com/products/hubs/cid/7/id/57.  You would 
> need
> front and rear brakes, but that is the way the RBW SS/fixie frames are
> designed, no?  I am not sure this hub is available yet, but the coaster
> brake version is so I'm sure it will become availble soon(ish).
>
> Doug
>
> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Thomas Lynn Skean <
>
> thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >  Hi, all!
>
> > Does anyone have any experience with the sorta new Sturmey-Archer duomatic
> > hub? If so... Are they of reasonable quality (as opposed to being a novelty
> > or a fashion-gimmick or something intended for a department-store  bike)? If
> > you have no experience but would venture an opinion, would you *expect* them
> > to be of reasonable quality? (I know nothing about the modern Sturmey-Archer
> > company or about low-gear-count IGHs at all.)
>
> > Could you imagine one on a Quickbeam/SimpleOne?
>
> > I like the idea of a singlespeed bike. But I expect that with my weight
> > (~240ish) and given that I have already flirted with slight knee pain,
> > riding a singlespeed bike very much would not be my favorite thing (or the
> > smartest thing) to do. Over time, I expect that launches would challenge my
> > knees with any gearing that I could contemplate cruising in. I understand
> > that the SimpleOne is designed to be more than just a singlespeed. But I
> > know me; I really can't see me hopping off the bike and moving the rear
> > wheel whenever I needed to exploit that fact.
>
> > However, I've done some gearing arithmetic and have concluded that I might
> > be happy with the two-speed duomatic hub. I could imagine launching in "low"
> > (somewhat carefully) and then cruising in "high" (somewhat spinningly). But
> > the "carefully" and "Spinningly" parts would be generally "good things to
> > do" sometimes anyway. And, though I am in now way tired of biking the way I
> > do now, I am on the lookout for ways to "mix it up" so as to keep riding as
> > long as possible (think numbers of years, not distance per ride). I'm
> > thinking the duomatic might even prove a "gateway hub" to actual singlespeed
> > riding (theory being that if I keep riding in general, and sometimes a
> > two-speed in particular, I'll continue to get healthier and become less
> > vulnerable to knee pain as a result). I'm not remotely considering doing
> > away with multi-speed riding (why would I leave my home in Hillborne
> > heaven?).
>
> > I've had uniformly bad experiences with multi-speed IGHs in the past (7-
> > and 8-speed Shimanos of 5+ years ago). But I'm open to the idea that, with
> > the duomatic being a two-speed and with IGHs having perhaps improved as
> > they've become more popular in the mainstream since then, it might not give
> > me problems like those hubs of yore.
>
> > Any thoughts?
>
> > Yours,
> > Thomas Lynn Skean
> > P.S.
> > One possibility I'm considering is a completely cable-less SimpleOne with
> > the coaster-brake version of the duomatic. That's the way I often rode bikes
> > growing up; one rear brake, one rear gear. Though there'd be complexity
> > hidden in the hub, the rest of the bike would be as simple as it gets.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Simple One

[CycloFiend]

on 11/21/10 10:57 AM, Noel at emiller3...@gmail.com wrote:

> My main bike is a modern copy of a Rene Herse, made with .8/.5/.8
> standard diameter tubing.

Nice ride. 

I was asking about the one you said that you felt was made out of such heavy
tubing that ride quality suffered, even with your preferred tires.

- J

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Re: [RBW] SimpleTwo?

[Doug Van Cleve]

This would be super cool on a bike like you describe:
http://www.sturmey-archer.com/products/hubs/cid/7/id/57.  You would need
front and rear brakes, but that is the way the RBW SS/fixie frames are
designed, no?  I am not sure this hub is available yet, but the coaster
brake version is so I'm sure it will become availble soon(ish).

Doug


On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Thomas Lynn Skean <
thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net> wrote:

>  Hi, all!
>
> Does anyone have any experience with the sorta new Sturmey-Archer duomatic
> hub? If so... Are they of reasonable quality (as opposed to being a novelty
> or a fashion-gimmick or something intended for a department-store  bike)? If
> you have no experience but would venture an opinion, would you *expect* them
> to be of reasonable quality? (I know nothing about the modern Sturmey-Archer
> company or about low-gear-count IGHs at all.)
>
> Could you imagine one on a Quickbeam/SimpleOne?
>
> I like the idea of a singlespeed bike. But I expect that with my weight
> (~240ish) and given that I have already flirted with slight knee pain,
> riding a singlespeed bike very much would not be my favorite thing (or the
> smartest thing) to do. Over time, I expect that launches would challenge my
> knees with any gearing that I could contemplate cruising in. I understand
> that the SimpleOne is designed to be more than just a singlespeed. But I
> know me; I really can't see me hopping off the bike and moving the rear
> wheel whenever I needed to exploit that fact.
>
> However, I've done some gearing arithmetic and have concluded that I might
> be happy with the two-speed duomatic hub. I could imagine launching in "low"
> (somewhat carefully) and then cruising in "high" (somewhat spinningly). But
> the "carefully" and "Spinningly" parts would be generally "good things to
> do" sometimes anyway. And, though I am in now way tired of biking the way I
> do now, I am on the lookout for ways to "mix it up" so as to keep riding as
> long as possible (think numbers of years, not distance per ride). I'm
> thinking the duomatic might even prove a "gateway hub" to actual singlespeed
> riding (theory being that if I keep riding in general, and sometimes a
> two-speed in particular, I'll continue to get healthier and become less
> vulnerable to knee pain as a result). I'm not remotely considering doing
> away with multi-speed riding (why would I leave my home in Hillborne
> heaven?).
>
> I've had uniformly bad experiences with multi-speed IGHs in the past (7-
> and 8-speed Shimanos of 5+ years ago). But I'm open to the idea that, with
> the duomatic being a two-speed and with IGHs having perhaps improved as
> they've become more popular in the mainstream since then, it might not give
> me problems like those hubs of yore.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Yours,
> Thomas Lynn Skean
> P.S.
> One possibility I'm considering is a completely cable-less SimpleOne with
> the coaster-brake version of the duomatic. That's the way I often rode bikes
> growing up; one rear brake, one rear gear. Though there'd be complexity
> hidden in the hub, the rest of the bike would be as simple as it gets.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Was: Re: Simple One; Now: Stout bike tubing, threat or menace?

[robert zeidler]

Having been once totally knocked off the road by a teen driver about 17
years ago, the answer isabsolutely!!!

On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote:

> Is that the cyclists' version of the old pilots' adage, "any landing
> you can walk away from..."?
>
> On Nov 21, 6:58 am, robert zeidler  wrote:
> > ...and that any ride you come back from alive is a good ride!
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 11:51 PM, cyclotourist  >wrote:
> >
> > > I did a quite scientific study of this earlier this summer.  The
> results:  Not
> > > much difference.<
> http://cyclotourist.blogspot.com/2010/05/bike-servations.html>
> > > The good news is that both bikes are a lot of fun to ride!
> >
> > > Almost got out for a ride today, but clear spells always seemed to line
> up
> > > with day-care duties.
> >
> > > On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 8:01 PM, charlie 
> wrote:
> >
> > >> Yea reallythe one pound frame weight diff can't make one
> > >> bike a "thudder" (whatever that means) its got to be the combination
> > >> of elements that influence ride qualities. As far as performance goes
> > >> you'd have to measure it over a long period and have direct
> > >> comparisons which is really hard to do. Headwinds, my energy,
> > >> hydration etc. there are so many variables that it just seems too
> > >> difficult to make comparisons. I have several bikes that range in
> > >> weight and components and even type and there seems to be no rhyme or
> > >> reason as to why one days "fast ride" happens on the heavy bike and
> > >> the next ride on the race bike is actually slower.  Actually I don't
> > >> even care I just want a derailleurless frame that will take
> > >> some use buy a middle aged, overweight guy who wants to ride to work
> > >> in the spring and summer and not have it prematurely crack somewhere.
> > >> A little thicker tubing makes me feel better about my purchase in the
> > >> long run...perhaps its a non issue in the real world as it appears
> > >> some of you are riding your QB's loaded with groceries or hopping ruts
> > >> and rocks on trails. That's certainly not something I would be doing
> > >> but rather up to 96 miles of smooth pavement during the week.. and
> > >> the primal diet.
> >
> > >> On Nov 20, 1:46 pm, CycloFiend  wrote:
> > >> > on 11/20/10 5:49 AM, robert zeidler at zeidler.rob...@gmail.comwrote:
> >
> > >> > Just as an added thought He is going too far in the "stout"
> > >> direction.
> > >> >  These things are way overbuilt and as a result, too heavy, or at
> least
> > >> > heaveir than they ought to be.  I know they don't care about that,
> but
> > >> at
> > >> > the end of a long day, that is when you start to notice the weight.
>  I
> > >> used
> > >> > think, well, I'll just get 5 lbs lighter and it's a wash, but it
> doesn't
> > >> > work that way for some reason.  My .02, YMMV.
> >
> > >> > I'd have to dig back into my notes, but I think the resultant frame
> > >> > differences between "heavy" tubing and "light" tubing might mean a
> pound
> > >> on
> > >> > a ~60 cm frame.
> >
> > >> > Now, you might be able to come up with a five pound difference in
> the
> > >> full
> > >> > build pretty readily, but it's not specifically a frameset issue.
> >
> > >> > It does seem that the most recent models and revisions have tended
> > >> towards
> > >> > stouter framesets, but now that those changes have shaken through,
> we're
> > >> > presented with a range of models, which you could think of as
> "limber"
> > >> to
> > >> > "stout"...
> >
> > >> > Roadeo/San Marcos - > Hilsen - > Hillborne -> Atlantis ->
> Hunquapillar -
> >
> > >> > Bombadil
> >
> > >> > My Quickbeam seems just a hair more limber than my Hilsen, and they
> are
> > >> both
> > >> > right in that range of feel that works for just about everything I
> like
> > >> to
> > >> > do.
> >
> > >> > - Jim
> >
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> > > *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would
> > > probably benefit 

[RBW] today's ride (alt. title: fenders are good!)

[cyclotourist]

It started like this:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5196487396/

and ended like this:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5195888379/

With rain, sleet and hail in between.  Two layers of wool did their job and
kept me a happy cycler for the day!

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[RBW] Bridgestone Bub in Seattle/PNW area

[wrharper]

Hi all,

I have a Bridgestone Bub in my garage that needs to find a new home,
it is just too small for me.  It seems to be the 50 cm model mentioned
here.

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1994/pages/42.htm

It is in fair condition, and original as far as I know, except perhaps
for the tires.  The fenders and cool kickstand still there. I've had
it about a year, and treated it to new brake pads, but left all else
unchanged.

I'm open to any offer, otherwise I'll probably take it down to
Recycled Cycles.

Thanks,
Russ

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[RBW] Re: SimpleTwo?

[Will M]

I know there have been a number of successful Quickbeam internally-
geared hub conversions discussed on this list.  The one that inspired
me most is by Eric Norris (post = http://bit.ly/9gyfnB; pics =
http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/4225472677 ).

But Eric switched back to singlespeed and sold the Sturmey-Archer.
(post = http://bit.ly/9amjYM)  Wonder why.



On Nov 21, 10:50 am, "Thomas Lynn Skean" 
wrote:
> Hi, all!
>
> Does anyone have any experience with the sorta new Sturmey-Archer duomatic 
> hub? If so... Are they of reasonable quality (as opposed to being a novelty 
> or a fashion-gimmick or something intended for a department-store  bike)? If 
> you have no experience but would venture an opinion, would you *expect* them 
> to be of reasonable quality? (I know nothing about the modern Sturmey-Archer 
> company or about low-gear-count IGHs at all.)
>
> Could you imagine one on a Quickbeam/SimpleOne?
>
> I like the idea of a singlespeed bike. But I expect that with my weight 
> (~240ish) and given that I have already flirted with slight knee pain, riding 
> a singlespeed bike very much would not be my favorite thing (or the smartest 
> thing) to do. Over time, I expect that launches would challenge my knees with 
> any gearing that I could contemplate cruising in. I understand that the 
> SimpleOne is designed to be more than just a singlespeed. But I know me; I 
> really can't see me hopping off the bike and moving the rear wheel whenever I 
> needed to exploit that fact.
>
> However, I've done some gearing arithmetic and have concluded that I might be 
> happy with the two-speed duomatic hub. I could imagine launching in "low" 
> (somewhat carefully) and then cruising in "high" (somewhat spinningly). But 
> the "carefully" and "Spinningly" parts would be generally "good things to do" 
> sometimes anyway. And, though I am in now way tired of biking the way I do 
> now, I am on the lookout for ways to "mix it up" so as to keep riding as long 
> as possible (think numbers of years, not distance per ride). I'm thinking the 
> duomatic might even prove a "gateway hub" to actual singlespeed riding 
> (theory being that if I keep riding in general, and sometimes a two-speed in 
> particular, I'll continue to get healthier and become less vulnerable to knee 
> pain as a result). I'm not remotely considering doing away with multi-speed 
> riding (why would I leave my home in Hillborne heaven?).
>
> I've had uniformly bad experiences with multi-speed IGHs in the past (7- and 
> 8-speed Shimanos of 5+ years ago). But I'm open to the idea that, with the 
> duomatic being a two-speed and with IGHs having perhaps improved as they've 
> become more popular in the mainstream since then, it might not give me 
> problems like those hubs of yore.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Yours,
> Thomas Lynn Skean
> P.S.
> One possibility I'm considering is a completely cable-less SimpleOne with the 
> coaster-brake version of the duomatic. That's the way I often rode bikes 
> growing up; one rear brake, one rear gear. Though there'd be complexity 
> hidden in the hub, the rest of the bike would be as simple as it gets.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Simple One - Heavy Frames?

[Bill Pustow]

I agree. I have a Rambouillet, Hilsen, Quickbeam, and a Specialize Roubaix. 
While none of the Riv's are close to the 16 pound Roubaix (although the Ram 
comes in at 19 pounds), I find I'm  mainly picking the Riv's for long hilly 
rides. For the recent 1000k brevet in Tn I rode Homer.
Bill
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On Nov 21, 2010, at 2:13 PM, JimD  wrote:

> I'm not Noel but here's my take
> 
> I've have/had the following rivs:
> Romulus, Bleriot, Saluki, and a Riv custom.
> I also have a Madone.
> 
> I've never found these Rivs to suffer in ride quality.
> I guess the Romulus seemed a bit more robust than the custom, but I 
> chose/choose any of the Rivs
> over the Madone for rides longer than 50 miles.  The custom rides so nicely 
> that I choose it over all others
> for any ride of any length.
> 
> I suspect that the custom has tubing pretty much akin to the Roadeo and the 
> custom is the nicest riding bike
> I've had the pleasure to experience in my > 30 years of riding.
> 
> -JimD
> 
> 
> On Nov 21, 2010, at 10:43 AM, CycloFiend wrote:
> 
>> on 11/21/10 10:31 AM, Noel at emiller3...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Weight? Don't know and don't care. If I wanted light I'd by a Madone.
>>> All I care about is ride quality, and I agree that Grant/Riv are
>>> building frames out of such heavy tubing that ride quality suffers -
>>> even with my beloved Grand Bois Hetres.
>> 
>> Which frame are you riding?
>> 
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>> 
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>> it."
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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleTwo?

[Eric Norris]

I found that I preferred the feel of fixed gear riding on the Quickbeam.  The 
S-A hub works quite nicely, and it would be a boon for touring or for riders 
who don't like to push quite so hard to get over the hills.

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On Nov 21, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Will M wrote:

> I know there have been a number of successful Quickbeam internally-
> geared hub conversions discussed on this list.  The one that inspired
> me most is by Eric Norris (post = http://bit.ly/9gyfnB; pics =
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/4225472677 ).
> 
> But Eric switched back to singlespeed and sold the Sturmey-Archer.
> (post = http://bit.ly/9amjYM)  Wonder why.
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 21, 10:50 am, "Thomas Lynn Skean" 
> wrote:
>> Hi, all!
>> 
>> Does anyone have any experience with the sorta new Sturmey-Archer duomatic 
>> hub? If so... Are they of reasonable quality (as opposed to being a novelty 
>> or a fashion-gimmick or something intended for a department-store  bike)? If 
>> you have no experience but would venture an opinion, would you *expect* them 
>> to be of reasonable quality? (I know nothing about the modern Sturmey-Archer 
>> company or about low-gear-count IGHs at all.)
>> 
>> Could you imagine one on a Quickbeam/SimpleOne?
>> 
>> I like the idea of a singlespeed bike. But I expect that with my weight 
>> (~240ish) and given that I have already flirted with slight knee pain, 
>> riding a singlespeed bike very much would not be my favorite thing (or the 
>> smartest thing) to do. Over time, I expect that launches would challenge my 
>> knees with any gearing that I could contemplate cruising in. I understand 
>> that the SimpleOne is designed to be more than just a singlespeed. But I 
>> know me; I really can't see me hopping off the bike and moving the rear 
>> wheel whenever I needed to exploit that fact.
>> 
>> However, I've done some gearing arithmetic and have concluded that I might 
>> be happy with the two-speed duomatic hub. I could imagine launching in "low" 
>> (somewhat carefully) and then cruising in "high" (somewhat spinningly). But 
>> the "carefully" and "Spinningly" parts would be generally "good things to 
>> do" sometimes anyway. And, though I am in now way tired of biking the way I 
>> do now, I am on the lookout for ways to "mix it up" so as to keep riding as 
>> long as possible (think numbers of years, not distance per ride). I'm 
>> thinking the duomatic might even prove a "gateway hub" to actual singlespeed 
>> riding (theory being that if I keep riding in general, and sometimes a 
>> two-speed in particular, I'll continue to get healthier and become less 
>> vulnerable to knee pain as a result). I'm not remotely considering doing 
>> away with multi-speed riding (why would I leave my home in Hillborne 
>> heaven?).
>> 
>> I've had uniformly bad experiences with multi-speed IGHs in the past (7- and 
>> 8-speed Shimanos of 5+ years ago). But I'm open to the idea that, with the 
>> duomatic being a two-speed and with IGHs having perhaps improved as they've 
>> become more popular in the mainstream since then, it might not give me 
>> problems like those hubs of yore.
>> 
>> Any thoughts?
>> 
>> Yours,
>> Thomas Lynn Skean
>> P.S.
>> One possibility I'm considering is a completely cable-less SimpleOne with 
>> the coaster-brake version of the duomatic. That's the way I often rode bikes 
>> growing up; one rear brake, one rear gear. Though there'd be complexity 
>> hidden in the hub, the rest of the bike would be as simple as it gets.
> 
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[RBW] Today's Quickbeam Ride

[Eric Norris]

A few shots from today's ride. The rain poured down last night here in NorCal, 
but today was bright and clear, perfect for riding.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157625440932172/

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[RBW] Re: Bridgestone Bub in Seattle/PNW area

[rcnute]

Russ--emailing you about this.

Ryan

On Nov 21, 2:45 pm, wrharper  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have a Bridgestone Bub in my garage that needs to find a new home,
> it is just too small for me.  It seems to be the 50 cm model mentioned
> here.
>
> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1994/pages/42.htm
>
> It is in fair condition, and original as far as I know, except perhaps
> for the tires.  The fenders and cool kickstand still there. I've had
> it about a year, and treated it to new brake pads, but left all else
> unchanged.
>
> I'm open to any offer, otherwise I'll probably take it down to
> Recycled Cycles.
>
> Thanks,
> Russ

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[RBW] FS- INUJIRUSHI handlebar bag

[Michael_S]

I bought this six months ago but haven't used it. Brand new khaki
Inujirushi bag in smaller size, measurements are  (W: 250 mm X H: 220
mm X D: 170 mm). Cost $210 new. I'll sell it for $170 plus shipping.
here is a picture.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37347...@n05/5196321215/in/photostream/

contact me off line if you are interested.

~Mike~

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[RBW] Re: today's ride (alt. title: fenders are good!)

[Michael_S]

Beautiful end of ride picture.

It was dry all day here in the far north of LA County. Luckily it
rained last night.

But a fairly brisk 55F for my ride at 1100am.

~Mike~



On Nov 21, 2:33 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> It started like this:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5196487396/
>
> and ended like this:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5195888379/
>
> With rain, sleet and hail in between.  Two layers of wool did their job and
> kept me a happy cycler for the day!
>
> --
> Cheers,
> David
> Redlands, CA
>
> *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would
> probably benefit more from
> improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS

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[RBW] Re: today's ride (alt. title: fenders are good!)

[EricP]

Makes me jealous.  Waited until after noon to go out.  The roads were
mostly ice free at that point.  Two wool layers, but a covering of
Marmot Wind Jacket.  Kept the rain off that was persistent coming back
from the grocery store.

Temp stayed around 34 the whole time.  Maybe a bit colder closer to
home.  Sort of wish had put on the rain pants.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Nov 21, 7:14 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
> Beautiful end of ride picture.
>
> It was dry all day here in the far north of LA County. Luckily it
> rained last night.
>
> But a fairly brisk 55F for my ride at 1100am.
>
> ~Mike~
>
> On Nov 21, 2:33 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
>
>
> > It started like this:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5196487396/
>
> > and ended like this:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5195888379/
>
> > With rain, sleet and hail in between.  Two layers of wool did their job and
> > kept me a happy cycler for the day!
>
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > David
> > Redlands, CA
>
> > *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would
> > probably benefit more from
> > improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS- Hide 
> > quoted text -
>
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[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?

[doug peterson]

After just reading this thread, it sounds like running the shift
cables under the tape all the way up to the bar tops is routine.  My
wife's new-to-her-just yesterday 47 cm Atlantis has the cables routed
in this fashion & it does look great, very clean.  However, the 8
speed Shimano indexed bar ends seem stiff to me, in comparison to my
old Suntour friction barcons.  In addition, the indexing is
problematic, working properly sometimes and other times acting like it
wants to shift.  The bike was originally delivered either late 03 or
early 04, judging by the evidence.  It's not been ridden much & has
the original Sun Race 8 speed cassette.  Shifting assist ramps aren't
worn.  I replaced the old chain as it seemed a bit gunky with a new
SRAM 8 speed.  Indexing is still dodgy.  I'm wondering if old age has
affected the cables?  Maybe corrosion or ???  Any words of wisdom or
obvious fixes I'm missing?  My experience with indexing is minimal.

dougP

On Oct 28, 9:19 am, CycloFiend  wrote:
> on 10/25/10 1:47 PM, William at tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > The cross in front also has its trade offs.  The cables themselves do
> > rub on the underside of the downtube when they cross back over to get
> > into the right BB guide slot.  Also that "might" cause trouble for
> > your third bottle cage bosses, if you have them.
>
> I used to run all of my mtb cables this way (it was touted as one of the
> fixes for SRAM shifting) and would grab a handfull (9 = 3 sets of 3) of
> rubber doughnuts to run on the _under_ cable.  This would keep it off of the
> downtube pretty reliably, and the _over_ cable would slide across it easily.
>
> - Jim
>
> --
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> cyclofi...@earthlink.net
>
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> Current Classics - Cross Bikes
> Singlespeed - Working Bikes
>
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>
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> follow when I assume that everyone in a car is out to get me."
> -- Neal Stephenson, "Zodiac"

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Re: [RBW] Re: today's ride (alt. title: fenders are good!)

[cyclotourist]

Isn't that a great way to end the ride!

Freakish weather.  Light hail at one point, which was actually better than
rain.

On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Michael_S wrote:

> Beautiful end of ride picture.
>
> It was dry all day here in the far north of LA County. Luckily it
> rained last night.
>
> But a fairly brisk 55F for my ride at 1100am.
>
> ~Mike~
>
>
>
> On Nov 21, 2:33 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > It started like this:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5196487396/
> >
> > and ended like this:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5195888379/
> >
> > With rain, sleet and hail in between.  Two layers of wool did their job
> and
> > kept me a happy cycler for the day!
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > David
> > Redlands, CA
> >
> > *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would
> > probably benefit more from
> > improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS
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Re: [RBW] Re: today's ride (alt. title: fenders are good!)

[cyclotourist]

'Bout time for another visit?


On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 5:29 PM, EricP  wrote:

> Makes me jealous.  Waited until after noon to go out.  The roads were
> mostly ice free at that point.  Two wool layers, but a covering of
> Marmot Wind Jacket.  Kept the rain off that was persistent coming back
> from the grocery store.
>
> Temp stayed around 34 the whole time.  Maybe a bit colder closer to
> home.  Sort of wish had put on the rain pants.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Nov 21, 7:14 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
> > Beautiful end of ride picture.
> >
> > It was dry all day here in the far north of LA County. Luckily it
> > rained last night.
> >
> > But a fairly brisk 55F for my ride at 1100am.
> >
> > ~Mike~
> >
> > On Nov 21, 2:33 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > It started like this:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5196487396/
> >
> > > and ended like this:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5195888379/
> >
> > > With rain, sleet and hail in between.  Two layers of wool did their job
> and
> > > kept me a happy cycler for the day!
> >
> > > --
> > > Cheers,
> > > David
> > > Redlands, CA
> >
> > > *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would
> > > probably benefit more from
> > > improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS-
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[RBW] Re: today's ride (alt. title: fenders are good!)

[Kelly]

David,

if you get time write up something for us newbies on wool.  What do
you use and how do you use it. :)

Kelly

On Nov 21, 4:33 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> It started like this:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5196487396/
>
> and ended like this:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5195888379/
>
> With rain, sleet and hail in between.  Two layers of wool did their job and
> kept me a happy cycler for the day!
>
> --
> Cheers,
> David
> Redlands, CA
>
> *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would
> probably benefit more from
> improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS

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[RBW] Ride Report - Early thoughts on AAH

[Kelly]

I started a thread awhile back asking or stating I thought I would
lose 2 or 3 miles per hour.  I started another thread on Bicycle
Lifestyle "How important is speed" or some such garbage.  Then as
reading the Simpleone thread here it looks like it was vearing off
into weight and ride quality etc.

I can say that I was right .. I lose about 2 to 3 mph when riding my
AHH on the road.  That is a significant speed reduction that can be
attributed mostly to aerodynamics and tire pressure.   I'm a big guy
at 6'5" tall and 225lbs when I sit up it's like putting the brakes on
so having a riding postion up all the time has a cost.   I was way to
comfortable to worry but did notice that people I used to drop at
normal pace were making me work and add being a bit out of shape.. I
was soon on my own.

Here is a speed calculator which shows what many are saying.. the
weight doen't effect that much within reason.   
http://bikecalculator.com/veloUS.html

But start messing with going from hoods to drops and you see a 1.xx
mph different.. that is about the difference in normal riding setup
from my old bike to AHH.. Going from Tubulars to MTB tires shows close
to 3mph difference.  Anyway it's fun to mess around with and see
estimates on cause and effect.

But what did stand out besides that?

Very windy day today.. stability.. I realized I wasn't getting blown
all over the road and how easy it was to just ride.

Stopped using spd pedals and went with the grip kings.. legs are tired
in different places.  I believe but can't prove that if speed was
important I would go back to spd's and get a mph difference back...
shrug..

I quit wearing lycra so the last three days of riding have been in
musa pants and wooly undies.. at close to 25 miles per ride.. felt
great.. though the new saddle isn't near as comfy as the one I have
broken in.

Zero hand, neck irritation.. even not wearing gloves of any kind..
sweet!

I know nothing  about Geometry of bikes but this was comfortable for
out of the saddle  climbing .. yes suprised me.. as my tour bike is
wierd out of the saddle cramped.. this felt smooth and nice like my
race bike..

Attitude- While keeping up with the group I started to sweat.. said i
didn't come out to workout .. seeya.. stopped and took a picture of
the Clydesdales at Grants Farm.

When I did get home.. and this may be the most important.. I was
looking for things I needed at local stores for an excuse to get back
on the bike.  I can assure you that didn't happen after rides on
the race bike.

That's it today- guess  this would be more directed at folks that are
wondering the cost of comfort .. and to state I believe there is a
cost.. it's just not from the weight.

kelly

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[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?

[Michael_S]

Doug I wrap my cables under the tape on all my bikes. They shift
great. I woulds replace the cables and housing and change to a better
cassette. You can get a NOS HG-70 for $30 on Ebay in a 11-30 8 speed.
I've always had trouble with the lower priced cassettes shifting
well.


~Mike~`

On Nov 21, 5:53 pm, doug peterson  wrote:
> After just reading this thread, it sounds like running the shift
> cables under the tape all the way up to the bar tops is routine.  My
> wife's new-to-her-just yesterday 47 cm Atlantis has the cables routed
> in this fashion & it does look great, very clean.  However, the 8
> speed Shimano indexed bar ends seem stiff to me, in comparison to my
> old Suntour friction barcons.  In addition, the indexing is
> problematic, working properly sometimes and other times acting like it
> wants to shift.  The bike was originally delivered either late 03 or
> early 04, judging by the evidence.  It's not been ridden much & has
> the original Sun Race 8 speed cassette.  Shifting assist ramps aren't
> worn.  I replaced the old chain as it seemed a bit gunky with a new
> SRAM 8 speed.  Indexing is still dodgy.  I'm wondering if old age has
> affected the cables?  Maybe corrosion or ???  Any words of wisdom or
> obvious fixes I'm missing?  My experience with indexing is minimal.
>
> dougP
>
> On Oct 28, 9:19 am, CycloFiend  wrote:
>
>
>
> > on 10/25/10 1:47 PM, William at tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > The cross in front also has its trade offs.  The cables themselves do
> > > rub on the underside of the downtube when they cross back over to get
> > > into the right BB guide slot.  Also that "might" cause trouble for
> > > your third bottle cage bosses, if you have them.
>
> > I used to run all of my mtb cables this way (it was touted as one of the
> > fixes for SRAM shifting) and would grab a handfull (9 = 3 sets of 3) of
> > rubber doughnuts to run on the _under_ cable.  This would keep it off of the
> > downtube pretty reliably, and the _over_ cable would slide across it easily.
>
> > - Jim
>
> > --
> > Jim Edgar
> > cyclofi...@earthlink.net
>
> > Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com
> > Current Classics - Cross Bikes
> > Singlespeed - Working Bikes
>
> > Gallery updates now appear here -http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com
>
> > "I had to ride slow because I was taking my guerrilla route, the one I
> > follow when I assume that everyone in a car is out to get me."
> > -- Neal Stephenson, "Zodiac"- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Curious bit of Rivendell History

[James Warren]

If you have Rivendell Reader #33 from Fall of 2004, take a look at Page 3, the 
last two lines of text before the photos.

It's a message from Grant that says, "Confidential to Hunkapillar. If you're 
there, please contact. Nothing bad."

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[RBW] Re: Curious bit of Rivendell History

[rcnute]

This is like today's Kryptos article in the NYT.

Ryan

On Nov 21, 8:41 pm, James Warren  wrote:
> If you have Rivendell Reader #33 from Fall of 2004, take a look at Page 3, 
> the last two lines of text before the photos.
>
> It's a message from Grant that says, "Confidential to Hunkapillar. If you're 
> there, please contact. Nothing bad."

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Re: [RBW] Re: today's ride (alt. title: fenders are good!)

[cyclotourist]

If that is what the people want, than that is what they get!

Keep in mind that I live in normally dry, hot and smoggy inland Southern
California.  I'm not used to precipitation.  That's why today's ride was so
cool for me.  I know, I know, just another afternoon in Seattle...

That said, I wear Swobo wool jersies year round.  They're perfect _for me_
in the heat of the summer and the chill of the fall and winter (hey, it was
56F today!).  A SS jersey is fine for 3/4 of the year.  I don't ride when
it's pouring, only drizzling, and that is pretty rare in itself.  Today's
ride was a bit more than that, and I wasn't really planning on getting too
wet.

Anywho, pretty simple, I have both the long sleeve and short sleeve wool
T-shirts that Riv sells (sold?) as a base layer, Swobo long sleeve on top.
I also have a really light Descente windbreaker that I put on for the
downhills.  Kucharick shorts and either Woolie Warm knee warmers or
Kucharick leg warmers (today).  REI short wool socks
and a Walz cap .
Oh, and Swobo wool gloves.

So long/short of it:  wool, wool, and more
wool.
My jersey was quite saturated wet, but the base layer was nice and dry.
Feet and head were dry as well.  If it was really pouring, I would have been
less happy.

So there ya' go, my $.02 worth of wool advice!



On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Kelly  wrote:

> David,
>
> if you get time write up something for us newbies on wool.  What do
> you use and how do you use it. :)
>
> Kelly
>
> On Nov 21, 4:33 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > It started like this:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5196487396/
> >
> > and ended like this:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5195888379/
> >
> > With rain, sleet and hail in between.  Two layers of wool did their job
> and
> > kept me a happy cycler for the day!
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > David
> > Redlands, CA
> >
> > *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would
> > probably benefit more from
> > improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS
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Re: [RBW] Ride Report - Early thoughts on AAH

[cyclotourist]

Wow, that's a cool little site!

On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Kelly  wrote:

> I started a thread awhile back asking or stating I thought I would
> lose 2 or 3 miles per hour.  I started another thread on Bicycle
> Lifestyle "How important is speed" or some such garbage.  Then as
> reading the Simpleone thread here it looks like it was vearing off
> into weight and ride quality etc.
>
> I can say that I was right .. I lose about 2 to 3 mph when riding my
> AHH on the road.  That is a significant speed reduction that can be
> attributed mostly to aerodynamics and tire pressure.   I'm a big guy
> at 6'5" tall and 225lbs when I sit up it's like putting the brakes on
> so having a riding postion up all the time has a cost.   I was way to
> comfortable to worry but did notice that people I used to drop at
> normal pace were making me work and add being a bit out of shape.. I
> was soon on my own.
>
> Here is a speed calculator which shows what many are saying.. the
> weight doen't effect that much within reason.
> http://bikecalculator.com/veloUS.html
>
> But start messing with going from hoods to drops and you see a 1.xx
> mph different.. that is about the difference in normal riding setup
> from my old bike to AHH.. Going from Tubulars to MTB tires shows close
> to 3mph difference.  Anyway it's fun to mess around with and see
> estimates on cause and effect.
>
> But what did stand out besides that?
>
> Very windy day today.. stability.. I realized I wasn't getting blown
> all over the road and how easy it was to just ride.
>
> Stopped using spd pedals and went with the grip kings.. legs are tired
> in different places.  I believe but can't prove that if speed was
> important I would go back to spd's and get a mph difference back...
> shrug..
>
> I quit wearing lycra so the last three days of riding have been in
> musa pants and wooly undies.. at close to 25 miles per ride.. felt
> great.. though the new saddle isn't near as comfy as the one I have
> broken in.
>
> Zero hand, neck irritation.. even not wearing gloves of any kind..
> sweet!
>
> I know nothing  about Geometry of bikes but this was comfortable for
> out of the saddle  climbing .. yes suprised me.. as my tour bike is
> wierd out of the saddle cramped.. this felt smooth and nice like my
> race bike..
>
> Attitude- While keeping up with the group I started to sweat.. said i
> didn't come out to workout .. seeya.. stopped and took a picture of
> the Clydesdales at Grants Farm.
>
> When I did get home.. and this may be the most important.. I was
> looking for things I needed at local stores for an excuse to get back
> on the bike.  I can assure you that didn't happen after rides on
> the race bike.
>
> That's it today- guess  this would be more directed at folks that are
> wondering the cost of comfort .. and to state I believe there is a
> cost.. it's just not from the weight.
>
> kelly
>
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[RBW] Re: Splats - Flap?

[grant]

When you adjust the back velcro snugly, the business end of the Splat
assumes a curvature that stiffens it in the same way you can stiffen a
sheet of paper by making a channel strong enough to roll some marbles
down, or scoop dang sand. The fabric is the Stiff Scottish Stuff (3S)
that starts with more substance than, say, seersucker.
I used Splats during the later rains of last year, and never had
flappage, even though the design might suggest it. I considered
nipping the suggestion in the bud with another strap on the toe-end t
hat could "T" into the arch strap, but that complicates construction
and addresses a problem that's more in one's head than on one's foot.

Splats are as simple as they can be made. They beg to be complicated
in the name of improved, but I like them just the way they are.
They're made with rich-man's fabric by a USA minifacturer, and they're
still only $28. They repel a certain number of people because they
look so funny, and shoe fetishists won't go for them, or fashionistas,
and most females won't, either (if I can call that a prediction
instead of a generalization, I may be able to get away with it). I
predict two things:

1. We'll sell 50 pair before the end of the year, with no impact
whatsoever to our financial well-being, but maybe some fashion
demerits and damage to our classy reputation.

2. Within two years a slicker, more commercial version will appear,
fulla features and widely accepted and available.

A local guy commutes 60 miles a day by motorcycle. He's going to try
them out, and may experience some flappage. At bike-riding speeds---so
far, no problem!


On Nov 21, 10:38 am, JimD  wrote:
> After yesterday's rainy ride I'm pondering these things.
>
> Anybody got splats?
>
> Do the toes flap?
>
> What keeps the toe portion down?
>
> I see by the photos on Riv's www site that Splats are dual purpose;  
> they make fine bibs.
>
> -JimD

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[RBW] Re: SimpleTwo?

[Philip Williamson]

I found the same thing. My Sachs Automatic (same gear spread as the S-
A kickback hub) is just less groovy-feeling than riding fixed.

 Philip

 Philip Williamson
www.biketinker.com

On Nov 21, 3:33 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
> I found that I preferred the feel of fixed gear riding on the Quickbeam.  The 
> S-A hub works quite nicely, and it would be a boon for touring or for riders 
> who don't like to push quite so hard to get over the hills.
>
> --Eric
> campyonly...@me.comwww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.org
>
> On Nov 21, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Will M wrote:
>
> > I know there have been a number of successful Quickbeam internally-
> > geared hub conversions discussed on this list.  The one that inspired
> > me most is by Eric Norris (post =http://bit.ly/9gyfnB;pics =
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/4225472677).
>
> > But Eric switched back to singlespeed and sold the Sturmey-Archer.
> > (post =http://bit.ly/9amjYM)  Wonder why.
>
> > On Nov 21, 10:50 am, "Thomas Lynn Skean" 
> > wrote:
> >> Hi, all!
>
> >> Does anyone have any experience with the sorta new Sturmey-Archer duomatic 
> >> hub? If so... Are they of reasonable quality (as opposed to being a 
> >> novelty or a fashion-gimmick or something intended for a department-store  
> >> bike)? If you have no experience but would venture an opinion, would you 
> >> *expect* them to be of reasonable quality? (I know nothing about the 
> >> modern Sturmey-Archer company or about low-gear-count IGHs at all.)
>
> >> Could you imagine one on a Quickbeam/SimpleOne?
>
> >> I like the idea of a singlespeed bike. But I expect that with my weight 
> >> (~240ish) and given that I have already flirted with slight knee pain, 
> >> riding a singlespeed bike very much would not be my favorite thing (or the 
> >> smartest thing) to do. Over time, I expect that launches would challenge 
> >> my knees with any gearing that I could contemplate cruising in. I 
> >> understand that the SimpleOne is designed to be more than just a 
> >> singlespeed. But I know me; I really can't see me hopping off the bike and 
> >> moving the rear wheel whenever I needed to exploit that fact.
>
> >> However, I've done some gearing arithmetic and have concluded that I might 
> >> be happy with the two-speed duomatic hub. I could imagine launching in 
> >> "low" (somewhat carefully) and then cruising in "high" (somewhat 
> >> spinningly). But the "carefully" and "Spinningly" parts would be generally 
> >> "good things to do" sometimes anyway. And, though I am in now way tired of 
> >> biking the way I do now, I am on the lookout for ways to "mix it up" so as 
> >> to keep riding as long as possible (think numbers of years, not distance 
> >> per ride). I'm thinking the duomatic might even prove a "gateway hub" to 
> >> actual singlespeed riding (theory being that if I keep riding in general, 
> >> and sometimes a two-speed in particular, I'll continue to get healthier 
> >> and become less vulnerable to knee pain as a result). I'm not remotely 
> >> considering doing away with multi-speed riding (why would I leave my home 
> >> in Hillborne heaven?).
>
> >> I've had uniformly bad experiences with multi-speed IGHs in the past (7- 
> >> and 8-speed Shimanos of 5+ years ago). But I'm open to the idea that, with 
> >> the duomatic being a two-speed and with IGHs having perhaps improved as 
> >> they've become more popular in the mainstream since then, it might not 
> >> give me problems like those hubs of yore.
>
> >> Any thoughts?
>
> >> Yours,
> >> Thomas Lynn Skean
> >> P.S.
> >> One possibility I'm considering is a completely cable-less SimpleOne with 
> >> the coaster-brake version of the duomatic. That's the way I often rode 
> >> bikes growing up; one rear brake, one rear gear. Though there'd be 
> >> complexity hidden in the hub, the rest of the bike would be as simple as 
> >> it gets.
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