[RBW] Re: Some comparative biking data

[charlie]

Well yesyou would go slower with all that baggage breaking the
wind and a higher bar position, I assume, making you less aerodynamic.
Your climbing would also be slower.

What I am talking about is minor weight differences (as the original
poster mentioned) like between a 23 pound bike and say a 29 pounder.
Those differences can't amount to much but 40 pounds of touring gear,
I agree with you that is a large enough difference to make a
difference.
 I have several upright bikes ranging from 21 pounds to 35 pounds and
one recumbent that weighs 30 pounds. The recumbent is a full 3-5 mph
faster on flat and rolling terrain and the uprights seem to ride about
the same to each other on similar terrain. Over mixed terrain all of
them average the same overall times in my experience. If I were doing
a whole bunch of climbing I'd want the lightest bike possible with the
lowest practical gearingif it fit me well and was comfortable on
bumpy roads.Therein lies the problem, a long wheelbase, low geared,
fendered, able to take baggage, fat tired bike is the most
comfortable, best climbing and versatile machine available but it
doesn't weight 20 pounds. I just love my current ride with fat 41's at
60 psi they really smooth out the road surface and on long rides that
makes a difference for me. At the end of the day I am not as beat up
and I have yet to experience a flat. I have bikes that are slightly
faster and I mean very slightly but I always go back to the one that
is most comfy.

On Aug 3, 9:52 pm, Anne Paulson  wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 6:27 PM, charlie  wrote:
> > Holy Cow!..The only way one bicycle is (noticeably) faster
> > than another is if your position is more aerodynamic.
>
> Wow! That must mean that when I ride my touring bike loaded up with
> all my stuff next month in the Sierra, I'll be just as fast as I would
> be on my unloaded Roadeo!
>
> Or not. I think probably not. Bike weight makes a difference on hills.
> A big weight difference makes a big speed difference.
>
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>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Some comparative biking data

[Bruce]

Shazzam Anne, who could keep up with you loaded or not? :)

The Saluki is slower with lots of touring stuff as well. This was just a look 
at 
the bikes themselves. "Do I need a Rodeo?" for example. Well, not as a bike 
that 
I'll necessarily go very much faster on.  A new bike is always nice though.  As 
far as hills go, having the right gear inches working for you trumps bike 
weight 
if your legs are used to hills. Generally speaking, most of the weight you're 
hauling up inclines is attached to your own skeleton, and it is more likely to 
affect your climbing than what is on the bike. This is not true with 100 lbs of 
gear in your BOB trailer, etc, but for the bikes alone, it is.

Bruce  





From: Anne Paulson 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, August 3, 2010 11:52:34 PM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Some comparative biking data


Wow! That must mean that when I ride my touring bike loaded up with
all my stuff next month in the Sierra, I'll be just as fast as I would
be on my unloaded Roadeo!

Or not. I think probably not. Bike weight makes a difference on hills.
A big weight difference makes a big speed difference.


  

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Repaint - Silver

[Angus]

Thanks Rene.  I haven't re-taped the bars yet...still new paint and 10
year old bar tape!

Angus

On Aug 3, 9:13 pm, Rene Sterental  wrote:
> Beautiful bike. Post pictures with the bar taped, I didn't miss them, did I?
>
> As a new Atlantis owner, I have to say that I just love it!
>
> René
>
> On 8/2/10, Rick  wrote:
>
>
>
> > My kudos as well, that's a great paint color and a fine looking
> > Atlantis.
>
> > Rick
> > (who really should have thought harder about those last few silver
> > Quickbeams).
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[RBW] Re: Root beer Rambouillet

[Angus]

Nice color...a cream headtube would be great too!

On Aug 3, 11:32 pm, rcnute  wrote:
> Try this:http://tiny.cc/maphy
>
> Ryan
>
> On Aug 3, 9:31 pm, rcnute  wrote:
>
> > Wow, I love this color!  I don't think I've seen a Rivendell like
> > this.  http://tiny.cc/wreyu
>
> > Ryan

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[RBW] Re: Some comparative biking data

[Angus]

Ignoring weight changes of a fully loaded touring magnitude...the
biggest difference to bicycle speed I've noticed is due to tire
choice.

When I purchased my All-Rounder many years ago it felt like a bit of a
dog and was about 1.0 - 1.5 mph slower than my Road Standard.  A tire
change (Ritchey Tom Slick 26x1.4 to Pasela 26x1 1/4) negated the speed
difference.  I've since gotten over the speed thing.

I have had, at a time, all my Rivendells set up with the same reach,
bar height etc...made for an easy comparison.

Angus

On Aug 2, 7:54 pm, Bruce  wrote:
> having a few spare minutes this week, I looked at the performance/weight 
> ratios
> of my stable of 4 bikes. This will probably surprise no one, but there isn't
> much difference between them. The bike that feels fastest, and the one I ride
> when I want to "keep up" is actually third fastest, and so on.  I weighed the
> bikes as they are currently built up. (I've had the Ram lighter before but 
> have
> made some comfort based changes) Brass bells, leather saddles, racks, fenders,
> saddle bags (emptied out though, pedals, bottle cages. No tools or frame 
> pumps.
> No carbon, no titanium anywhere. But real world weights. Relative speed is as
> compared to the fastest bike. Shame about how slow "fastest" is precludes my
> providing hard data points. There may be others who can relate.
>
> Rambouillet - 23 1/2 lbs  Fastest
> Nashbar Mark III - 24 lbs    +0.01 mph
> Riv Road - 24 lbs                +0.5 mph
> Saluki - 29 lbs                     +0.82 mph
>
> Less than 1 mph separates all of them. The Nashbar is probably the fastest if
> all the miles were on the same course. I practice hills on it because I really
> like its mustache bars for climbing. It was originally designed along the 
> lines
> of a crit racer, iirc. It's not my favorite for anything over 30 miles, as the
> position is a bit aggressive. The Riv road is what I prefer on medium to long
> rides at speed, and the Saluki for loaded longer hauls, or very steep grades
> with the 26 low ring that its prior owner thoughtfully provided. So how come 
> the
> fastest bike and the one with the most miles over the years is the
> Ram? Because it's just about as perfect a fit as I can imagine and handles
> really well. And its easy on the eyes as well.

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[RBW] Re: Root beer Rambouillet

[MichaelH]

Very nice, if it was my size I'd bid on it.  The Ram is a great road
bike; I love the way mine rides.

Michael

On Aug 4, 12:32 am, rcnute  wrote:
> Try this:http://tiny.cc/maphy
>
> Ryan
>
> On Aug 3, 9:31 pm, rcnute  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Wow, I love this color!  I don't think I've seen a Rivendell like
> > this.  http://tiny.cc/wreyu
>
> > Ryan

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[RBW] Re: Some comparative biking data

[EricP]

Still not convinced what, if anything, makes a difference.  The bike
that happens to be under me when I ride "fast" is usually a bike with
29x2.1 wide semi-knobby tires and handlebars about 6 to 8cm above the
saddle.

Again, like the original poster, my testing is very unscientific.
Just about 1,000 on each of the bikes so far this year.  So not a
strong enough database.

Am just trying to not worry about it and ride instead.  Knowing no
matter what, just about every other cyclist out there is going to pass
me.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Aug 4, 5:23 am, Angus  wrote:
> Ignoring weight changes of a fully loaded touring magnitude...the
> biggest difference to bicycle speed I've noticed is due to tire
> choice.
>
> When I purchased my All-Rounder many years ago it felt like a bit of a
> dog and was about 1.0 - 1.5 mph slower than my Road Standard.  A tire
> change (Ritchey Tom Slick 26x1.4 to Pasela 26x1 1/4) negated the speed
> difference.  I've since gotten over the speed thing.
>
> I have had, at a time, all my Rivendells set up with the same reach,
> bar height etc...made for an easy comparison.
>
> Angus
>
> On Aug 2, 7:54 pm, Bruce  wrote:
>
>
>
> > having a few spare minutes this week, I looked at the performance/weight 
> > ratios
> > of my stable of 4 bikes. This will probably surprise no one, but there isn't
> > much difference between them. The bike that feels fastest, and the one I 
> > ride
> > when I want to "keep up" is actually third fastest, and so on.  I weighed 
> > the
> > bikes as they are currently built up. (I've had the Ram lighter before but 
> > have
> > made some comfort based changes) Brass bells, leather saddles, racks, 
> > fenders,
> > saddle bags (emptied out though, pedals, bottle cages. No tools or frame 
> > pumps.
> > No carbon, no titanium anywhere. But real world weights. Relative speed is 
> > as
> > compared to the fastest bike. Shame about how slow "fastest" is precludes my
> > providing hard data points. There may be others who can relate.
>
> > Rambouillet - 23 1/2 lbs  Fastest
> > Nashbar Mark III - 24 lbs    +0.01 mph
> > Riv Road - 24 lbs                +0.5 mph
> > Saluki - 29 lbs                     +0.82 mph
>
> > Less than 1 mph separates all of them. The Nashbar is probably the fastest 
> > if
> > all the miles were on the same course. I practice hills on it because I 
> > really
> > like its mustache bars for climbing. It was originally designed along the 
> > lines
> > of a crit racer, iirc. It's not my favorite for anything over 30 miles, as 
> > the
> > position is a bit aggressive. The Riv road is what I prefer on medium to 
> > long
> > rides at speed, and the Saluki for loaded longer hauls, or very steep grades
> > with the 26 low ring that its prior owner thoughtfully provided. So how 
> > come the
> > fastest bike and the one with the most miles over the years is the
> > Ram? Because it's just about as perfect a fit as I can imagine and handles
> > really well. And its easy on the eyes as well.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Root beer Rambouillet

[EricP]

Very nice.  Sort of reminds me of the brown Raleigh used to use.
Except much nicer.

Don't know the seller, but he has had a few nice bikes for sale
recently.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Aug 4, 6:36 am, MichaelH  wrote:
> Very nice, if it was my size I'd bid on it.  The Ram is a great road
> bike; I love the way mine rides.
>
> Michael
>
> On Aug 4, 12:32 am, rcnute  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Try this:http://tiny.cc/maphy
>
> > Ryan
>
> > On Aug 3, 9:31 pm, rcnute  wrote:
>
> > > Wow, I love this color!  I don't think I've seen a Rivendell like
> > > this.  http://tiny.cc/wreyu
>
> > > Ryan- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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Re: [RBW] Re: Root beer Rambouillet

[BPustow]

Same here. Love my Rambouillet. If only it were a 56.
Bill
 
 
In a message dated 8/4/2010 7:36:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mhech...@gmail.com writes:

Very  nice, if it was my size I'd bid on it.  The Ram is a great road
bike;  I love the way mine  rides.

Michael

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[RBW] SOLD :FS Nitto Soba Bar 46cm

[rperks]

Thanks guys

On Aug 3, 5:27 pm, rperks  wrote:
> I have a 46cm Soba bar in near new condition for sale.  If you are not
> familliar, the Soba is the same shape as the noodle, but lighter
> weight, approx 300g.  This is just the ticket for the noodle fan
> building up a Roadeo.  I wanted to like it but find I prefer the shape
> of the RM013.
>
> Pics:http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/sets/72157624523886019/
>
> $70 shipped in the U.S.
>
> Thanks for looking
> Rob

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[RBW] Re: Root beer Rambouillet

[JoelMatthews]

Looks nice - but that is a problem for me.

If seller were offering in scratched up mode it would have been the
perfect candidate to buy and fit with posts for the Braze on Paul
Racer M.

As it is, I would hate to strip off the new paint job.

On Aug 3, 11:31 pm, rcnute  wrote:
> Wow, I love this color!  I don't think I've seen a Rivendell like
> this.  http://tiny.cc/wreyu
>
> Ryan

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[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

[William]

The TA is a fantastic option at least for me.  50/34 compact doubles
are almost literally a dime a dozen these days.  To try out the
compact double thing I bought a square taper Campy Mirage for $30 on
ebay, NIB.  The key things for me are:

comes in 172.5
takes a 29 or 30 tooth small ring
looks appropriate for whatever bike I am running
doesn't completely break the bank

The TA is a great option, but the pieces really do add up in price

$250 for arms
$90 for a spider
$84 for a 46 ring
$42 for a 30 ring

That's $466 without a bottom bracket.  Add a Phil Wood BB and some tax/
shipping and we're talking a $700 chunk.  I'm sure it's worth every
penny it costs, but that's a lot of dollars.



On Aug 3, 7:31 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> Seems some of you ought to check out the TA Carmina.  I am going with
> a 172.5 with the 110/74 double spider for my 650b Rando.  Later if I
> want a triple I can swap spiders and go either with the 110/74 triple
> or 94/58.  JIS taper.
>
> On Aug 3, 9:03 pm, Boogarich  wrote:
>
> > You may also want to look at this crank from 
> > Shimano:http://www.nashbar.com/bikes//Product_10053_10052_502567_-1___
>
> > Of course, you will need to use the Shimano Hollowtech bottom bracket
> > but this crank is 50/34 and has crank lengths available in 172.5 mm.
>
> > This crankset is now on sale at Nashbar for about $210.
>
> > Take care,
>
> >  Aug 2, 11:06 am, reynoldslugs  wrote:
>
> > > There was a posting a couple weeks ago about a new crankset from
> > > Sugino - - a 110/74 double, IIRC.
>
> > > Have these hit the market? If anyone knows how to get one, it would
> > > seem perfect for the Roadeo I am building.
>
> > > Any info much appreciated.

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[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

[bfd]

On Aug 4, 8:04 am, William  wrote:
> The TA is a fantastic option at least for me.  50/34 compact doubles
> are almost literally a dime a dozen these days.  To try out the
> compact double thing I bought a square taper Campy Mirage for $30 on
> ebay, NIB.  The key things for me are:
>
> comes in 172.5
> takes a 29 or 30 tooth small ring
> looks appropriate for whatever bike I am running
> doesn't completely break the bank
>
> The TA is a great option, but the pieces really do add up in price
>
> $250 for arms
> $90 for a spider
> $84 for a 46 ring
> $42 for a 30 ring
>
> That's $466 without a bottom bracket.  Add a Phil Wood BB and some tax/
> shipping and we're talking a $700 chunk.  I'm sure it's worth every
> penny it costs, but that's a lot of dollars.
>
$700?! Wow, that is a lot of money. Hey, if you got it, go for it!
However, another alternative you may want to consider is the White
Industries VBC crank:

http://www.whiteind.com/cranks/roadcranks.html
VB

VBC = variable bolt circle so you can run anywhere from a 24t up to
38t for the inner ring; and 38t up to 52t for the outer ring. Or you
can run it as a single!

With a 46t and 30t rings, the cost is around $285:
http://www.ride-this.com/index.php/white-industries-road-vbc-cranks.html?source=googleps

It also comes in both polish silver and black! Good Luck!

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[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

[William]

Those White VBC's have been on my radar for quite some time, also.  My
big hangups about those include fear about the flexiness of a
chainring with no spider supporting it, and fear of being completely
out of luck down the line with a proprietary chainring format on the
big ring.

On Aug 4, 9:42 am, bfd  wrote:
> On Aug 4, 8:04 am, William  wrote:
>
> > The TA is a fantastic option at least for me.  50/34 compact doubles
> > are almost literally a dime a dozen these days.  To try out the
> > compact double thing I bought a square taper Campy Mirage for $30 on
> > ebay, NIB.  The key things for me are:
>
> > comes in 172.5
> > takes a 29 or 30 tooth small ring
> > looks appropriate for whatever bike I am running
> > doesn't completely break the bank
>
> > The TA is a great option, but the pieces really do add up in price
>
> > $250 for arms
> > $90 for a spider
> > $84 for a 46 ring
> > $42 for a 30 ring
>
> > That's $466 without a bottom bracket.  Add a Phil Wood BB and some tax/
> > shipping and we're talking a $700 chunk.  I'm sure it's worth every
> > penny it costs, but that's a lot of dollars.
>
> $700?! Wow, that is a lot of money. Hey, if you got it, go for it!
> However, another alternative you may want to consider is the White
> Industries VBC crank:
>
> http://www.whiteind.com/cranks/roadcranks.html
> VB
>
> VBC = variable bolt circle so you can run anywhere from a 24t up to
> 38t for the inner ring; and 38t up to 52t for the outer ring. Or you
> can run it as a single!
>
> With a 46t and 30t rings, the cost is around 
> $285:http://www.ride-this.com/index.php/white-industries-road-vbc-cranks.h...
>
> It also comes in both polish silver and black! Good Luck!

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

[James Valiensi]

And,
Don't forget the Middleburn 2x9.
http://www.mtbtandems.com/

Cheers!

On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:08 AM, William wrote:

> Those White VBC's have been on my radar for quite some time, also.  My
> big hangups about those include fear about the flexiness of a
> chainring with no spider supporting it, and fear of being completely
> out of luck down the line with a proprietary chainring format on the
> big ring.
> 
> On Aug 4, 9:42 am, bfd  wrote:
>> On Aug 4, 8:04 am, William  wrote:
>> 
>>> The TA is a fantastic option at least for me.  50/34 compact doubles
>>> are almost literally a dime a dozen these days.  To try out the
>>> compact double thing I bought a square taper Campy Mirage for $30 on
>>> ebay, NIB.  The key things for me are:
>> 
>>> comes in 172.5
>>> takes a 29 or 30 tooth small ring
>>> looks appropriate for whatever bike I am running
>>> doesn't completely break the bank
>> 
>>> The TA is a great option, but the pieces really do add up in price
>> 
>>> $250 for arms
>>> $90 for a spider
>>> $84 for a 46 ring
>>> $42 for a 30 ring
>> 
>>> That's $466 without a bottom bracket.  Add a Phil Wood BB and some tax/
>>> shipping and we're talking a $700 chunk.  I'm sure it's worth every
>>> penny it costs, but that's a lot of dollars.
>> 
>> $700?! Wow, that is a lot of money. Hey, if you got it, go for it!
>> However, another alternative you may want to consider is the White
>> Industries VBC crank:
>> 
>> http://www.whiteind.com/cranks/roadcranks.html
>> VB
>> 
>> VBC = variable bolt circle so you can run anywhere from a 24t up to
>> 38t for the inner ring; and 38t up to 52t for the outer ring. Or you
>> can run it as a single!
>> 
>> With a 46t and 30t rings, the cost is around 
>> $285:http://www.ride-this.com/index.php/white-industries-road-vbc-cranks.h...
>> 
>> It also comes in both polish silver and black! Good Luck!
> 
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[RBW] Re: Root beer Rambouillet

[Will]

<>

I was thinking the same, only I can think of a number of frames from
the 1970s that had this and other variants of brown.

When is someone going to put a 62-cm Ramb up for auction (or FS on
this list)? I've been looking for 1.5 years and still nothing...

Will



On Aug 4, 10:47 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> Looks nice - but that is a problem for me.
>
> If seller were offering in scratched up mode it would have been the
> perfect candidate to buy and fit with posts for the Braze on Paul
> Racer M.
>
> As it is, I would hate to strip off the new paint job.
>
> On Aug 3, 11:31 pm, rcnute  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Wow, I love this color!  I don't think I've seen a Rivendell like
> > this.  http://tiny.cc/wreyu
>
> > Ryan

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

[J Thurow]

Or DaVinci, http://www.davincitandems.com/comp.html#cranks.
James Thurow
StL Mo
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:10 PM, James Valiensi  wrote:

> And,
> Don't forget the Middleburn 2x9.
> http://www.mtbtandems.com/
>
> Cheers!
>
> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:08 AM, William wrote:
>
> > Those White VBC's have been on my radar for quite some time, also.  My
> > big hangups about those include fear about the flexiness of a
> > chainring with no spider supporting it, and fear of being completely
> > out of luck down the line with a proprietary chainring format on the
> > big ring.
> >
> > On Aug 4, 9:42 am, bfd  wrote:
> >> On Aug 4, 8:04 am, William  wrote:
> >>
> >>> The TA is a fantastic option at least for me.  50/34 compact doubles
> >>> are almost literally a dime a dozen these days.  To try out the
> >>> compact double thing I bought a square taper Campy Mirage for $30 on
> >>> ebay, NIB.  The key things for me are:
> >>
> >>> comes in 172.5
> >>> takes a 29 or 30 tooth small ring
> >>> looks appropriate for whatever bike I am running
> >>> doesn't completely break the bank
> >>
> >>> The TA is a great option, but the pieces really do add up in price
> >>
> >>> $250 for arms
> >>> $90 for a spider
> >>> $84 for a 46 ring
> >>> $42 for a 30 ring
> >>
> >>> That's $466 without a bottom bracket.  Add a Phil Wood BB and some tax/
> >>> shipping and we're talking a $700 chunk.  I'm sure it's worth every
> >>> penny it costs, but that's a lot of dollars.
> >>
> >> $700?! Wow, that is a lot of money. Hey, if you got it, go for it!
> >> However, another alternative you may want to consider is the White
> >> Industries VBC crank:
> >>
> >> http://www.whiteind.com/cranks/roadcranks.html
> >> VB
> >>
> >> VBC = variable bolt circle so you can run anywhere from a 24t up to
> >> 38t for the inner ring; and 38t up to 52t for the outer ring. Or you
> >> can run it as a single!
> >>
> >> With a 46t and 30t rings, the cost is around $285:
> http://www.ride-this.com/index.php/white-industries-road-vbc-cranks.h...
> >>
> >> It also comes in both polish silver and black! Good Luck!
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[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

[JoelMatthews]

> $700?! Wow, that is a lot of money. Hey, if you got it, go for it!
> However, another alternative you may want to consider is the White
> Industries VBC crank:

William includes the cost of the bottom bracket and the tax.  No
matter the crankset, you will need a bottom bracket.  If you buy the
TA from Peter White, no taxes unless you are in New Hampshire.

You can also save money buying less expensive chain rings. TA
chainrings are more expensive than most.  They are also much better
made and will perform better and longer than most other brands.  If
long lasting performance is of value, spending a few dollars more up
front makes sense.

The beauty of the TA Carmina is its flexibility.  Being able to change
spiders allows a lot of configurations not available with other
cranks.

On Aug 4, 11:42 am, bfd  wrote:
> On Aug 4, 8:04 am, William  wrote:
>
>
>
> > The TA is a fantastic option at least for me.  50/34 compact doubles
> > are almost literally a dime a dozen these days.  To try out the
> > compact double thing I bought a square taper Campy Mirage for $30 on
> > ebay, NIB.  The key things for me are:
>
> > comes in 172.5
> > takes a 29 or 30 tooth small ring
> > looks appropriate for whatever bike I am running
> > doesn't completely break the bank
>
> > The TA is a great option, but the pieces really do add up in price
>
> > $250 for arms
> > $90 for a spider
> > $84 for a 46 ring
> > $42 for a 30 ring
>
> > That's $466 without a bottom bracket.  Add a Phil Wood BB and some tax/
> > shipping and we're talking a $700 chunk.  I'm sure it's worth every
> > penny it costs, but that's a lot of dollars.
>
> $700?! Wow, that is a lot of money. Hey, if you got it, go for it!
> However, another alternative you may want to consider is the White
> Industries VBC crank:
>
> http://www.whiteind.com/cranks/roadcranks.html
> VB
>
> VBC = variable bolt circle so you can run anywhere from a 24t up to
> 38t for the inner ring; and 38t up to 52t for the outer ring. Or you
> can run it as a single!
>
> With a 46t and 30t rings, the cost is around 
> $285:http://www.ride-this.com/index.php/white-industries-road-vbc-cranks.h...
>
> It also comes in both polish silver and black! Good Luck!- Hide quoted text -
>
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[RBW] A tale of two Hillbornes

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2010/08/versatile-sam-hillborne.html

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Re: [RBW] A tale of two Hillbornes

[Seth Vidal]

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
 wrote:
> http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2010/08/versatile-sam-hillborne.html
>

Are hillborne sales still going strong? There sure seem to be a lot of
them showing up on flickr! :)

-sv

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[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

[bfd]

On Aug 4, 12:04 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
> William includes the cost of the bottom bracket and the tax.  No
> matter the crankset, you will need a bottom bracket.  If you buy the
> TA from Peter White, no taxes unless you are in New Hampshire.
>
Agree, but the price for the crankset without bb and tax was $466,
that's more than the $285 I cited for the White. Further, the place I
cited gives another 10% discount AND no tax!  So the white crankset,
WITHOUT BB, is $256. Moreover, the place also had a free shipping
option. A little bit cheaper than the TA.

> You can also save money buying less expensive chain rings. TA
> chainrings are more expensive than most.  They are also much better
> made and will perform better and longer than most other brands.  If
> long lasting performance is of value, spending a few dollars more up
> front makes sense.
>
Agree, I have TA rings on one bike - expensive, but good stuff! I
would put it in the same category as Campy rings!  In fact, TA rings
may be better! Still, Sugino and many others made very good rings that
last a long time too.

> The beauty of the TA Carmina is its flexibility.  Being able to change
> spiders allows a lot of configurations not available with other
> cranks.
>
Since the William was talking about a double with a 46/30 ring combo,
that comes in 172.5mm, the White would fit that too. In fact, you
could get a double with a 52/24 if that's what works for you. Good
Luck!

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Re: [RBW] A tale of two Hillbornes

[Bill Connell]

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
 wrote:
> http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2010/08/versatile-sam-hillborne.html


I've seen these in person, the knobbied version really looks great,
ready to explore about anywhere you want to go. I love that orange
color of this batch too.

-- 
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[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

[William]

I threw in a nice Bottom Bracket on the TA Carmina simply because
earlier in this thread we were comparing the Sugino OX80ID which comes
with a bottom bracket.  When I guessed out of thin air that the OX80ID
would probably cost more than $500, bfd said that would price them out
of the market.  I was just pointing out that some people would and do
spend $700 for a crank system that is not carbon.  I am not currently
in the market for parts in that price tier, either, so $500 would
price me out of the market, too.

My ideal would be for the $115 XD2 or the Mighty Tour to just come in
a 94/58 configuration.  I could experiment with a lot of things with
that foundation.  I see no technical advantage for compact doubles to
have chosen the 110/74 format over the 94/58.  Both are well
established standards.  You can find rings for both easily.  94/58 is
obviously superior if you want to run a compact double for off-road or
loaded riding.  I sincerely doubt there is any significant difference
in stiffness or weight.  110/74 probably 'won' just on looks or some
other whim.  It's particularly frustrating to me since Sugino used to
make 94/58 cranks.  I have two sets of Sugino/Ritcheys and they are
nearly the perfect crankset for me.  I'd really love to get a set of
the old Sugino Mighty 9000 from ~1995.  Those things were sweet!

On Aug 4, 12:28 pm, bfd  wrote:
> On Aug 4, 12:04 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
> > William includes the cost of the bottom bracket and the tax.  No
> > matter the crankset, you will need a bottom bracket.  If you buy the
> > TA from Peter White, no taxes unless you are in New Hampshire.
>
> Agree, but the price for the crankset without bb and tax was $466,
> that's more than the $285 I cited for the White. Further, the place I
> cited gives another 10% discount AND no tax!  So the white crankset,
> WITHOUT BB, is $256. Moreover, the place also had a free shipping
> option. A little bit cheaper than the TA.
>
> > You can also save money buying less expensive chain rings. TA
> > chainrings are more expensive than most.  They are also much better
> > made and will perform better and longer than most other brands.  If
> > long lasting performance is of value, spending a few dollars more up
> > front makes sense.
>
> Agree, I have TA rings on one bike - expensive, but good stuff! I
> would put it in the same category as Campy rings!  In fact, TA rings
> may be better! Still, Sugino and many others made very good rings that
> last a long time too.
>
> > The beauty of the TA Carmina is its flexibility.  Being able to change
> > spiders allows a lot of configurations not available with other
> > cranks.
>
> Since the William was talking about a double with a 46/30 ring combo,
> that comes in 172.5mm, the White would fit that too. In fact, you
> could get a double with a 52/24 if that's what works for you. Good
> Luck!

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[RBW] Re: A tale of two Hillbornes

[William]

What does the Roadish Hillborne weigh?  I imagine you could get into
the low 20s.  It still has a B-17 on it, though.

On Aug 4, 12:22 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
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[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

[Garth]

Bilenky sells the Carmina complete for a bit less. It was
significantly less, but they've raised their prices.

I have mixed feelings about the Carmina, as I recently bought one.

First, the BB sizing is soup du jour. You'll never know what it's
going to need until you actually get it. Forget anything you've read
online. Forget it. My 185mm arms take a 113mm BB for a 160mm Q on a
Bombadil(measured accurately on digital calipers about 10 times) On a
bike with more ring clearance, you could probably use a 110mm or even
107mm.  You don't need a Phil BB, I'm using a Shimano UN54. I little
heavier, but I care not.

Second, the first one I received was crooked beyond acceptance, about
1.5- 2mm of deflection.  I troubleshooted it and it was either the
spider or the arms. I shipped it back to Bilenky, who ordered another
spider, and it was crooked too. It was likely improper machining of
the arm. They sent everything back to their distributor, and the
finally received a straight one. This took about 5-6 weeks.

Third, the rings. If you're using a 10 speed setup, it may be okay.
For 7-8 speed setups, forget it. The rings, with all the ramps and
pins, make for a limited number of cogs available to use in each ring.
3 for the small, 4 for the mid, 5 for the big. I swapped the rings out
for regular good ol' non pinned rings.  Even then , I needed to use
some micro spacers to get good clearance between rings. The small ring
required a longer spacer too.

Fourth, an annoying clicking sound from either the BB or the interface
of the two. This is the second crank that has been noisy. My Zephyr
creaked with a UN72, but it eventually went away. This sound is
different, more clicking, and it's definitely from the BB area.  I
must say I'm no fan of cartridge BB's, the three I've used have all
been noisy. With cups and cones, I never heard one noise.

Other than that, I love the crank.  I mean. it spins, holds the
rings, and hasn't broken, what more could a guy want?  A quiet one I
suppose.

If anyone gets one, make sure it's straight before you go riding it.



I had considered, and still am , a Surly crank. Yeah, outboard
bearings are what they are, but no BB is a panacea. The Q is only 6mm
more than the Carmina with a 47.5mm chainline spindle.


For you guys needing regular length arms, don't forget VO  has three
new cranksets in the works, not just the ultra low Q Grand Cru.
http://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2010/02/velo-orange-cranksets.html
Listed here .  http://www.voimports.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=29

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[RBW] Re: rivish parts garage sale

[Gary]

HI All,

Here's what's left:

- Chorus Front Der (double, old style 9spd - braze on + clamp) - good
cond. - $20 + 5 shipping
- Chorus Crank, double, 53/39, older vintage - fair cond. - $20 + 10
shipping
- 3T Stem 12 cm, 22.2 - good cond. - $15 + 5 shipping

Thanks,
Gary


On Aug 3, 6:54 pm, erik jensen  wrote:
> sorry for the mass reply.
>
> (tisk tisk tisk)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 3:54 PM, erik jensen  wrote:
> > I'll buy the record crankset, along with the front and rear dura ace
> > derailleurs. How does 120 shipped to Oakland, ca, 94610 sound?
>
> > erik
>
> > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Gary  wrote:
>
> >> Hi there,
>
> >> I've enjoyed lurking on this list for quite some time - thanks for all
> >> the great information and discussion.  I'm finally posting because
> >> I've been cleaning out my bike closet and have found the following
> >> bits that could use a new home:
>
> >> - Record 10spd 175 cranks 53/42 (pre-carbon)  Exc. condition -  $50 +
> >> 10 shipping
>
> >> - Record 10spd Front Der. (double) braze on (pre-carbon) Exc. cond. -
> >> $30 + 5 shipping
>
> >> - Record 102mm carbon sleeve bottom bracket Exc. cond. - $30 + 5
> >> shipping
>
> >> - Brooks titanium swift seat, antique brown - moderate break-in-age  -
> >> $75 +10 shipping
>
> >> - VO Grand Cru Long Setback seatpost, 27.2 - like new - $30 + 5
> >> shipping
>
> >> - Dura Ace Rear Der. (double) - VG cond. - $35 + 5 shipping
>
> >> - Dura Ace Front Der (double) - good cond. - $25 + 5 shipping
>
> >> - Shimano 105 Rear Der (10spd, double) - exc. cond. - $30 + 5 shipping
>
> >> - Chorus Front Der (double, old style 9spd - braze on + clamp) - good
> >> cond. - $20 + 5 shipping
>
> >> - Chorus Rear Der (double, old style 9spd) - good cond. - $25 + 5
> >> shipping
>
> >> - Chorus Crank, double, 53/39, older vintage - fair cond. - $20 + 10
> >> shipping
>
> >> - 3T Stem 12 cm, 22.2 - good cond. - $15 + 5 shipping
>
> >> Shipping would be priority USPS, and would be less if purchasing
> >> multiple items. Paypal only please.  Also, if the price doesn't seem
> >> reasonable, please let me know!
>
> >> Please reply off list.
>
> >> Thanks so much,
>
> >> Gary
> >> Asheville, NC
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 12:58 -0700, Garth wrote:
> The rings, with all the ramps and
> pins, make for a limited number of cogs available to use in each ring.
> 3 for the small, 4 for the mid, 5 for the big. 

I don't understand.  How do ramps and pins reduce the number of
sprockets available?



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[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

[JoelMatthews]

> Fourth, an annoying clicking sound from either the BB or the interface
> of the two. This is the second crank that has been noisy. My Zephyr
> creaked with a UN72, but it eventually went away. This sound is
> different, more clicking, and it's definitely from the BB area.  I
> must say I'm no fan of cartridge BB's, the three I've used have all
> been noisy. With cups and cones, I never heard one noise.

I can think of no reason why a crank would cause clicking.  Carmina is
not a BB.  If the problem is with the BB, get another BB.  As long as
it has JIS taper it will work with the crank.  I am using mine with a
White Ind. B.B.  I don't have the bike yet, but the builder has said
nothing about noise.

> Third, the rings. If you're using a 10 speed setup, it may be okay.
> For 7-8 speed setups, forget it. The rings, with all the ramps and
> pins, make for a limited number of cogs available to use in each ring.
> 3 for the small, 4 for the mid, 5 for the big. I swapped the rings out
> for regular good ol' non pinned rings.  Even then , I needed to use
> some micro spacers to get good clearance between rings. The small ring
> required a longer spacer too.

Perhaps this is a reference to index shifting?  I use friction.

On Aug 4, 2:58 pm, Garth  wrote:
> Bilenky sells the Carmina complete for a bit less. It was
> significantly less, but they've raised their prices.
>
> I have mixed feelings about the Carmina, as I recently bought one.
>
> First, the BB sizing is soup du jour. You'll never know what it's
> going to need until you actually get it. Forget anything you've read
> online. Forget it. My 185mm arms take a 113mm BB for a 160mm Q on a
> Bombadil(measured accurately on digital calipers about 10 times) On a
> bike with more ring clearance, you could probably use a 110mm or even
> 107mm.  You don't need a Phil BB, I'm using a Shimano UN54. I little
> heavier, but I care not.
>
> Second, the first one I received was crooked beyond acceptance, about
> 1.5- 2mm of deflection.  I troubleshooted it and it was either the
> spider or the arms. I shipped it back to Bilenky, who ordered another
> spider, and it was crooked too. It was likely improper machining of
> the arm. They sent everything back to their distributor, and the
> finally received a straight one. This took about 5-6 weeks.
>
> Third, the rings. If you're using a 10 speed setup, it may be okay.
> For 7-8 speed setups, forget it. The rings, with all the ramps and
> pins, make for a limited number of cogs available to use in each ring.
> 3 for the small, 4 for the mid, 5 for the big. I swapped the rings out
> for regular good ol' non pinned rings.  Even then , I needed to use
> some micro spacers to get good clearance between rings. The small ring
> required a longer spacer too.
>
> Fourth, an annoying clicking sound from either the BB or the interface
> of the two. This is the second crank that has been noisy. My Zephyr
> creaked with a UN72, but it eventually went away. This sound is
> different, more clicking, and it's definitely from the BB area.  I
> must say I'm no fan of cartridge BB's, the three I've used have all
> been noisy. With cups and cones, I never heard one noise.
>
> Other than that, I love the crank.  I mean. it spins, holds the
> rings, and hasn't broken, what more could a guy want?  A quiet one I
> suppose.
>
> If anyone gets one, make sure it's straight before you go riding it.
>
> I had considered, and still am , a Surly crank. Yeah, outboard
> bearings are what they are, but no BB is a panacea. The Q is only 6mm
> more than the Carmina with a 47.5mm chainline spindle.
>
> For you guys needing regular length arms, don't forget VO  has three
> new cranksets in the works, not just the ultra low Q Grand 
> Cru.http://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2010/02/velo-orange-cranksets.html
> Listed here .  http://www.voimports.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=29

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Re: [RBW] A tale of two Hillbornes

[PATRICK MOORE]

Speaking of Hillbornes, I have come to the definite conclusion that it is
most certainly a rear loader. Coming back from various errands and carrying
53 lb( of wine -- not *all* wine -- Tonic and Seltzer, library books,
miscellaneous baggage) of which 21 in front, the bike felt very strange: as
if it had a strong steering damper. It turned alright if you leaned, but
sharp turns? Nope.

I still find the front wheel floppiness annoying -- trying to track stand is
a pain --  but apparently others don't. I wonder why -- could difference in
setup be the cause?

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[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

[Michael_S]

I just bought used/clean silver S-works 94 bcd crankarms for $28 on
EBAY. I figure I can put on some nice chainrings for $70 and have a
46-30 double for a lot less. ( at least that's my plan... I'll see how
it comes out.)

There is also the Davinci for about $220, but they are hard to get.

~Mike~

On Aug 4, 1:00 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 12:58 -0700, Garth wrote:
> > The rings, with all the ramps and
> > pins, make for a limited number of cogs available to use in each ring.
> > 3 for the small, 4 for the mid, 5 for the big.
>
> I don't understand.  How do ramps and pins reduce the number of
> sprockets available?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Curious Rivendell Tie In on eBay

[John Speare]

On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 3:45 PM, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
> > The description in my Rivendell No. 3 catalog (Summer 1997) for the Brooks
> > B.17 saddle that Rivendell was selling at the time reads as follows
> > (Grant's words, I would assume): "The prettiest saddle in the world,
> > and the most comfortable we've sat on.  A spiffed up (just for
> > Rivendell) B.17 with Brooks Pro-thick honey brown leather, large hand-
> > set copper rivets, chromed rails, and a chamfered lower edge."
>
> Aware of this.  But Brooks produces many special editions.  In fact,
> there currently are a number of new in box special editions offered
> (at a discount by the way) by other sellers on eBay.
>
> My issue is not with the seller pointing out the Riv connection.  But
> rather the implication the mere mention of Rivendell will cause buyers
> to part with sense and sensibility.  I for one like to think Riv fans
> are smarter than the average bear and will not blithely over pay for
> something just because the seller says Rivendell.
>

I'm not going to argue one way or another if the saddle is worth $200.
But there are some well-known differences between that saddle and any
B17 you can buy today:

-- The ebay saddle was made by Brooks before they were bought by Selle San Marco
-- Since Selle San Marco bought the company, the leather quality has
diminished. It's both thinner and it's less likely to be selected from
the "proper" area of the hide. Both of these issues have been reported
by Brooks users over the last couple years on various forums.

And as a result (if you believe what you read on the internets), a new
B17 today will not last as long as a B17 that was sold a decade ago.

None of this refutes the main annoyance you claim, that the seller's
"mere mention of Rivendell will cause buyers to part with sense...",
but these facts might persuade those in the know to spend more money
on this B17 than they would on a new one.

Just sayin.

--
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Spokane, WA USA
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[RBW] Re: A tale of two Hillbornes

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

We've sold a couple this year, but I've been neck-deep in repairs and
haven't spent much time publicizing the bikes we're selling.

On Aug 4, 2:26 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
>
>  wrote:
> >http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2010/08/versatile-sam-hillborne.html
>
> Are hillborne sales still going strong? There sure seem to be a lot of
> them showing up on flickr! :)
>
> -sv

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[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

[Garth]

I use 7sp friction shifting Joel.  I've never used indexed shifting.
If you look at a regular non pinned chainring compared to the pinned
ones, you'll see the ramps are set so high, close to the teeth, that
your range of use is limited.  I was told I'd have no issue with using
a 8sp chain with these . oops . live and learn.

At this point I don't know if it's the BB or the crank, or the
connection of the two at the tapers.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 13:26 -0700, Garth wrote:
> I use 7sp friction shifting Joel.  I've never used indexed shifting.
> If you look at a regular non pinned chainring compared to the pinned
> ones, you'll see the ramps are set so high, close to the teeth, that
> your range of use is limited.  I was told I'd have no issue with using
> a 8sp chain with these . oops . live and learn.


Are you going by what you were told or by actual experience?

Is this supposed to be specific to just this one crank?  I'm using
ramped and pinned rings on quite a few bikes and I've experienced no
limitation on what rear sprockets I can use.



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[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

[JoelMatthews]

> If you look at a regular non pinned chainring compared to the pinned
> ones, you'll see the ramps are set so high, close to the teeth, that
> your range of use is limited.  I was told I'd have no issue with using
> a 8sp chain with these . oops . live and learn.

I have TA Chainrings on all my bikes.  I believe my chains are all 8
speed Wipperman.  I have no problem with shifting on any of them.

> At this point I don't know if it's the BB or the crank, or the
> connection of the two at the tapers.

Are you sure the BB is JIS taper?  Assuming it is, there should not be
any wiggle to cause a click.

On Aug 4, 3:26 pm, Garth  wrote:
> I use 7sp friction shifting Joel.  I've never used indexed shifting.
> If you look at a regular non pinned chainring compared to the pinned
> ones, you'll see the ramps are set so high, close to the teeth, that
> your range of use is limited.  I was told I'd have no issue with using
> a 8sp chain with these . oops . live and learn.
>
> At this point I don't know if it's the BB or the crank, or the
> connection of the two at the tapers.

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[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

[Garth]

A Shimano UN54 BB is JIS for sure.

This experience is from setting up my Bombadil of recent.  Bilenky
told my I'd have no issue using an 8sp chain, but like I said, the
chain rubs on the rings as I described. With a 7 speed FW, one should
be able to use at least 4 cogs in the small ring, 6 in the middle, and
5 in the large. The middle was horrible, the chain would rub on the
ramps of the large ring in the 5th cog. The chainline is about 46.5mm.
Rings are 24/36/48.  Non pinned rings like Sugino's have a nice
beveled edge, allowing for good clearance.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Some comparative biking data

[Anne Paulson]

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:51 AM, charlie  wrote:

> What I am talking about is minor weight differences (as the original
> poster mentioned) like between a 23 pound bike and say a 29 pounder.
> Those differences can't amount to much

OK, let's say I compare my 23 pound bike with that same 23 pound bike,
but with six pounds of... something... added. Food. Cookies, say.  I
and my twin will ride side by side, me on the unladen bike, OtherAnne
on the bike with the cookies.
-- 
OK, we're climbing our favorite hill, which usually takes us around 30
minutes. Say that I, with all of my bike clothes and everything, weigh
170 pounds. So I have a total of 193 pounds on the unladen bike, and
OtherAnne has 199 pounds, about a three percent difference. Air
resistance is negligible at climbing speed < 10 mph; speed is linear
on total weight.

I drop OtherAnne like a bad habit. She's over a minute behind; I can't
even see her.  By the time she finally makes it to the top, I start
making references to having to use a calendar to time her. (Of course,
I can't have a cookie while I'm waiting, because she is carrying
them.)

Where I live, cyclists climb a lot of long hills that take over half
an hour, because the flats have traffic and stoplights. If I'm giving
away over a minute on every hill to my friends with lighter bikes,
that might not be vitally important, but it's not nothing, either.

-- Anne Paulson

My hovercraft is full of eels

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 13:59 -0700, Garth wrote:
> A Shimano UN54 BB is JIS for sure.
> 
> This experience is from setting up my Bombadil of recent.  Bilenky
> told my I'd have no issue using an 8sp chain, but like I said, the
> chain rubs on the rings as I described. With a 7 speed FW, one should
> be able to use at least 4 cogs in the small ring, 6 in the middle, and
> 5 in the large. The middle was horrible, the chain would rub on the
> ramps of the large ring in the 5th cog. The chainline is about 46.5mm.
> Rings are 24/36/48.  Non pinned rings like Sugino's have a nice
> beveled edge, allowing for good clearance.

So how does it do with a 9-spd chain?



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[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

[Garth]

On Aug 4, 5:02 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 13:59 -0700, Garth wrote:
> > A Shimano UN54 BB is JIS for sure.
>
> > This experience is from setting up my Bombadil of recent.  Bilenky
> > told my I'd have no issue using an 8sp chain, but like I said, the
> > chain rubs on the rings as I described. With a 7 speed FW, one should
> > be able to use at least 4 cogs in the small ring, 6 in the middle, and
> > 5 in the large. The middle was horrible, the chain would rub on the
> > ramps of the large ring in the 5th cog. The chainline is about 46.5mm.
> > Rings are 24/36/48.  Non pinned rings like Sugino's have a nice
> > beveled edge, allowing for good clearance.
>
> So how does it do with a 9-spd chain?


It made no difference . I thought it may .  Maybe it works best
with 10 speed chains, I don't know. I'm in a 7 speed world though. The
rings are Zephyr's labelled as 9/10 speed .  One thing odd also
was the middle ring only sits halfway on the ledge of the spider. I've
never seen anything like it then again, I've not seen any new
cranks for 10 years.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 14:08 -0700, Garth wrote:
> I'm in a 7 speed world though

Not as far as chains are concerned, though: the chain you buy today as a
"7 speed" chain is the one that some years ago was labeled "8 speed".
Now they call it "6-7-8 speed".





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[RBW] Re: A tale of two Hillbornes

[Peter Pesce]

Having just bought one, I can say the versatility and quality for the
price point certainly explains some of the popularity!


On Aug 4, 3:26 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
>
>  wrote:
> >http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2010/08/versatile-sam-hillborne.html
>
> Are hillborne sales still going strong? There sure seem to be a lot of
> them showing up on flickr! :)
>
> -sv

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[RBW] FS: Acorn, Carradice, Nitto, RBW, Tubus, Brooks, Filson

[J. Burkhalter]

Howdy folks,

Here are some items that might be of interest to some of you.  All are
either new or lightly used, as noted.  .  All prices include shipping
in CONUS. Pics posted here -  http://tinyurl.com/2a3z7p9 .  Links
below are to retailer web pages, for more info.   Please reply
offlist.  I'm glad to answer any questions.   Also, I'm looking for
some 46cm Noodles and a Small Sackville TrunkSack if someone would
like to trade or sell.  PayPal only.  Here we go...

1) Acorn Boxy Rando Bag (Tan) - $140
barely used
http://tinyurl.com/284w6mw

2) Acorn Medium Saddlebag (Tan) - $65
lightly used.  tried to show the light wheel spray stripe on the bag
in pics
http://tinyurl.com/25uc3vn

3) Carradice Super C Barley (Black) - $70
barely used.  same buckles, inner pockets, etc as the larger Super C
Camper, but this one is the size of the Barley.
http://tinyurl.com/274rn92

4) Carradice Bike Bureau (Black) - $120
lightly used.  non-drive side mount (left side). detachable, inner,
suspended laptop sleeve.   really, really well thought out commuting
briefcase/pannier.
http://tinyurl.com/pzchn  (WallBike hasn't updated it's pics to the
new style with leather straps)

5) Carradice Bagman Sport Standard Saddlebag Support - $35
like new.
http://tinyurl.com/yogvw4

6) Nitto Jitensha Flat H'bars - $35
like new.  26mm clamp
http://tinyurl.com/27kc4sy

7) Nitto VO Promenade H'bars - $30
like new. 25.4 clamp. I have a Nitto 25.4 to 26mm shim available for
$5
http://tinyurl.com/4j988o

8) Tubus Vega Rear Rack (Black) - $90
new. never used.  stiff and light.
http://tinyurl.com/2f5cerv

9) Brooks B.67 Saddle (Antique Brown) - $90
used once.  includes Brooks saddle cover, tension spanner, and box.
this is the 2nd time I've tried a B.67, and my fanny still doesn't
like the wideness.
http://tinyurl.com/2dqgln5

10) Rivendell Sackville Saddlesack XS (Dark Green) - $50
new. never used. have too many saddlebags in this size, so...
http://tinyurl.com/2cx8np4

11) Nitto Technomic Standard Stem - $40
new. never used. 7cm reach, 26.0mm clamp.  bought from LBS by
mistake.  needed the shorter quill, deluxe model.
http://tinyurl.com/2883ue9

12) VO Retro Cage - $13
barely used.  will only sell and ship with another item.  note - this
cage does not play well with long pants cuffs
http://tinyurl.com/2dzedex

13) Filson Padded Laptop Bag/Briefcase (Brown) - $240
like new.  not a bike item, but i commute everyday on the QB with
another Filson Briefcase.  unbeatable.
http://tinyurl.com/23grmem

Thanks!
-Jay B
Denver, CO

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[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

[Garth]

On Aug 4, 5:12 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 14:08 -0700, Garth wrote:
> > I'm in a 7 speed world though
>
> Not as far as chains are concerned, though: the chain you buy today as a
> "7 speed" chain is the one that some years ago was labeled "8 speed".
> Now they call it "6-7-8 speed".


Yes.  I've never had any issue of chainring clearance before. I have
many of them still, and looking at the ring spacing of yesteryear, it
was wider than todays cranks. Especially Campy Super Record and
Victory cranks.  My most recent crank, the Zephyr, has similar
clearance to the Carmina, but I didn't measure it , so these issues
had me scratching my head. I finally realized it was the ramps on the
rings. They are also about .5 -1.0mm thicker also than I'm used to.
The Zephyr rings look fantastic though, and I wish I could have used
them.

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[RBW] FS: 58cm yellow Quickbeam on SF CL

[Jim M.]

Repainted with some nice components:

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/1874419334.html

Not mine, and I don't know the owner.

jim m
wc ca

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[RBW] Re: A tale of two Hillbornes

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

With the B17, MKS Sylvan Touring pedals, and no special effort at
super-light anything, it comes in around 24 lbs. It would be EASY to
shave off a couple more pounds. Just takes money.

On Aug 4, 2:53 pm, William  wrote:
> What does the Roadish Hillborne weigh?  I imagine you could get into
> the low 20s.  It still has a B-17 on it, though.
>
> On Aug 4, 12:22 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> wrote:
>
> >http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2010/08/versatile-sam-hillborne.html

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[RBW] Re: FS: Acorn, Carradice, Nitto, RBW, Tubus, Brooks, Filson

[J. Burkhalter]

Both Acorn bags are sold.

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[RBW] Re: Favorite route? Oakland to Santa Rosa

[Jim M.]

>From Oakland you could go north through San Pablo, Hercules, etc.,
cross the Carquinez Bridge, and then go through Napa. But going
through Marin would be nicer and have less traffic.


On Aug 3, 11:14 am, CR Masterson  wrote:
> I'm happy to BART across the bay, head up through Marin.  Or any other
> way you have fallen in love with.  It would be nice avoid huge trucks,
> mondo hills and traveling way out of the way as much as possible.
> Thanks.

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[RBW] Fwd: Thinning the Herd

[cyclotourist]

Hello Bicycle Friends.  I guess y'all qualify as bike geeks and gearheads.
This are for sale by my friend and neighbor,
Eric.
His email is below if you're interested in any of the bikes.

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From: Eric Shamp 
Date: Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:35 PM
Subject: Thinning the Herd

 Hey, guys. I just wanted to give everyone a heads-up that I’m selling a
bunch of my bikes… it’s time to reclaim my garage, and lately I’ve become
more interested in really good bikes that I can ride all day long. These
bikes are a hoot to ride and beautiful to look at, but they don’t meet my
basic criteria. Check them out here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ershamp/sets/72157624529259091.



Please forward this to any bike geeks and gearheads you know.



Cheers.

Eric



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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm yellow Quickbeam on SF CL

[William]

$1800 for a used QB is reasonably easy to resist.  Thank goodness for
that.

On Aug 4, 2:50 pm, "Jim M."  wrote:
> Repainted with some nice components:
>
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/1874419334.html
>
> Not mine, and I don't know the owner.
>
> jim m
> wc ca

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[RBW] Re: A tale of two Hillbornes

[Frankwurst]

Shave a few ounces off the wheels (not hubs) and 4 pounds off your
body and your ready to rock. Not that tough of a concept. But Jim is
spot on. Money can save weight if that's what your after.In the mean
time I'd kinda like to ride one and hope I don't like it simply
because I'd have another Riv in the garage.

On Aug 4, 5:03 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
> With the B17, MKS Sylvan Touring pedals, and no special effort at
> super-light anything, it comes in around 24 lbs. It would be EASY to
> shave off a couple more pounds. Just takes money.
>
> On Aug 4, 2:53 pm, William  wrote:
>
>
>
> > What does the Roadish Hillborne weigh?  I imagine you could get into
> > the low 20s.  It still has a B-17 on it, though.
>
> > On Aug 4, 12:22 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> > wrote:
>
> > >http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2010/08/versatile-sam-hillborne.html- 
> > >Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: A tale of two Hillbornes

[EricP]

And I say the big one rides well.  Test rode it a week or so ago.  Was
a cool ride.  Too big for me as currently set up.  (Maybe with a 7 or
8cm stem.)

Pretty sure the orange ones take slightly bigger tires.  Don't think
those 45s would fit on mine.

Also the first time I've ridden with Woodchippers on another bike.
They work well.  Definitely a good choice if one spends a lot of time
in the drops.

Eric Platt
St. Paul

On Aug 4, 2:29 pm, Bill Connell  wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
>
>  wrote:
> >http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2010/08/versatile-sam-hillborne.html
>
> I've seen these in person, the knobbied version really looks great,
> ready to explore about anywhere you want to go. I love that orange
> color of this batch too.
>
> --
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> St. Paul, MN

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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm yellow Quickbeam on SF CL

[Ken Yokanovich]

I wouldn't think it too far out of line with some nice Phil Wood
wheels, fresh paint, and a saddle.  It's the wrong size and fact that
seller is not interested in shipping that gets me :)

On Aug 4, 7:27 pm, William  wrote:
> $1800 for a used QB is reasonably easy to resist.  Thank goodness for
> that.
>
> On Aug 4, 2:50 pm, "Jim M."  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Repainted with some nice components:
>
> >http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/1874419334.html
>
> > Not mine, and I don't know the owner.
>
> > jim m
> > wc ca

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[RBW] Re: Fwd: Thinning the Herd

[rcnute]

Tell him the '20s roadster must stay.

Ryan

On Aug 4, 5:12 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> Hello Bicycle Friends.  I guess y'all qualify as bike geeks and gearheads.
> This are for sale by my friend and neighbor,
> Eric.
> His email is below if you're interested in any of the bikes.
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Eric Shamp 
> Date: Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:35 PM
> Subject: Thinning the Herd
>
>  Hey, guys. I just wanted to give everyone a heads-up that I’m selling a
> bunch of my bikes… it’s time to reclaim my garage, and lately I’ve become
> more interested in really good bikes that I can ride all day long. These
> bikes are a hoot to ride and beautiful to look at, but they don’t meet my
> basic criteria. Check them out 
> here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/ershamp/sets/72157624529259091.
>
> Please forward this to any bike geeks and gearheads you know.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Eric
>
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> David
> Redlands, CA
>
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[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

[Boogarich]

Have a look at the Sugino Alpina crankset available from Velo-
Orange:http://www.velo-orange.com/sualcr.html
This is a 48/34 compact crank for a square taper JIS 110mm BB.  At
$170 it seems like a very good deal.

On Aug 2, 11:06 am, reynoldslugs  wrote:
> There was a posting a couple weeks ago about a new crankset from
> Sugino - - a 110/74 double, IIRC.
>
> Have these hit the market? If anyone knows how to get one, it would
> seem perfect for the Roadeo I am building.
>
> Any info much appreciated.

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[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

[rperks]

This may sound rediculous, but the middle ring may not be symetric,
and may do better flipped.  On my 50-30 Ritchey compact set up on my
Roadeo I have the outer ring with the text/etching facing out, and the
middle ring has the text facing in or left.  9sp chain with an IRD
freewheel in the back.  I initially had it with the text facing out
for both and the chain would not even ride on the middle ring withouth
grinding against the outer ring.  Not a happy moment for a shiny new
set of TA rings.  kind of odd but it runs like a dream now.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/4379837357/in/set-72157622875811028/

Rob

On Aug 4, 2:27 pm, Garth  wrote:
> On Aug 4, 5:12 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 14:08 -0700, Garth wrote:
> > > I'm in a 7 speed world though
>
> > Not as far as chains are concerned, though: the chain you buy today as a
> > "7 speed" chain is the one that some years ago was labeled "8 speed".
> > Now they call it "6-7-8 speed".
>
> Yes.  I've never had any issue of chainring clearance before. I have
> many of them still, and looking at the ring spacing of yesteryear, it
> was wider than todays cranks. Especially Campy Super Record and
> Victory cranks.  My most recent crank, the Zephyr, has similar
> clearance to the Carmina, but I didn't measure it , so these issues
> had me scratching my head. I finally realized it was the ramps on the
> rings. They are also about .5 -1.0mm thicker also than I'm used to.
> The Zephyr rings look fantastic though, and I wish I could have used
> them.

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[RBW] Re: Some comparative biking data

[charlie]

I live in the foothills of Mt. Rainier in Washington State.no
matter where I go I have steep hills, its quite aggravating really. My
gearing is 22x32x44 & 32-12 if that tells you anything.
I'd rather carry the cookies so I could eat them but I see your point.
You are correct, a lighter bike is easier to climb with if that is
your goal.
My two friends and I just rode a very short 8 mile blast to the local
feed store. I ride a 30+ pound bike with 900 gram tires and they ride
bikes around 24-26 pounds with narrow 350 gram tires but we have
varying abilities and body weight along with various knee conditions
so if one of us gets ahead we wait for the others and don't worry
about it. This time we stopped for beer and took them back to our
starting point and enjoyed a cold frothy beverage coupled with casual
conversation while dodging mosquitoes in the cool evening air. Overall
a very pleasant and satisfying time. These scenarios are what makes
riding with others enjoyable for me. If I ride with folks who get
cranky when they have to wait for me or who leave me in their dust all
the time I just ride by myself. As I get older its more about a good
time with good friends. We seldom, if ever, talk of bike weights and
except for some friendly competitiveness once in a while we really
just prefer to ride and get our tired old selves moving. I'd like a
Roadeo but its not built to handle my weight so I'll ride my slow bike
with big tires and carry the cookies..and the beer!  = )

On Aug 4, 2:01 pm, Anne Paulson  wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:51 AM, charlie  wrote:
> > What I am talking about is minor weight differences (as the original
> > poster mentioned) like between a 23 pound bike and say a 29 pounder.
> > Those differences can't amount to much
>
> OK, let's say I compare my 23 pound bike with that same 23 pound bike,
> but with six pounds of... something... added. Food. Cookies, say.  I
> and my twin will ride side by side, me on the unladen bike, OtherAnne
> on the bike with the cookies.
> --
> OK, we're climbing our favorite hill, which usually takes us around 30
> minutes. Say that I, with all of my bike clothes and everything, weigh
> 170 pounds. So I have a total of 193 pounds on the unladen bike, and
> OtherAnne has 199 pounds, about a three percent difference. Air
> resistance is negligible at climbing speed < 10 mph; speed is linear
> on total weight.
>
> I drop OtherAnne like a bad habit. She's over a minute behind; I can't
> even see her.  By the time she finally makes it to the top, I start
> making references to having to use a calendar to time her. (Of course,
> I can't have a cookie while I'm waiting, because she is carrying
> them.)
>
> Where I live, cyclists climb a lot of long hills that take over half
> an hour, because the flats have traffic and stoplights. If I'm giving
> away over a minute on every hill to my friends with lighter bikes,
> that might not be vitally important, but it's not nothing, either.
>
> -- Anne Paulson
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Some comparative biking data

[Anne Paulson]

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 8:46 PM, charlie  wrote:

> I live in the foothills of Mt. Rainier in Washington State.no
> matter where I go I have steep hills, its quite aggravating really. My
> gearing is 22x32x44 & 32-12 if that tells you anything.
> I'd rather carry the cookies so I could eat them but I see your point.
> You are correct, a lighter bike is easier to climb with if that is
> your goal.

I have ridiculously low gears too, and I use them plenty. I ride my
Atlantis a lot. It's not the lightest bike in the world, but I love
it. I bring along cookies and sandwiches too; I'm no weight weenie.

But I was just reacting to the claim that a five pound difference in
bike weight makes no difference in bike performance. If you're riding
hills, it does. You might not care (indeed, I usually don't care) but
that doesn't mean there is no difference.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fwd: Thinning the Herd

[cyclotourist]

Yeah, serious.  He's pretty much giving this stuff away.  Just wants it out
of the garage sort of a situation.  I think he's keeping his Swiss Army
paratrooper bike though!

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 7:09 PM, rcnute  wrote:

> Tell him the '20s roadster must stay.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Aug 4, 5:12 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > Hello Bicycle Friends.  I guess y'all qualify as bike geeks and
> gearheads.
> > This are for sale by my friend and neighbor,
> > Eric<
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3299208648/in/set-721576142...>.
> > His email is below if you're interested in any of the bikes.
> >
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Eric Shamp 
> > Date: Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:35 PM
> > Subject: Thinning the Herd
> >
> >  Hey, guys. I just wanted to give everyone a heads-up that I’m selling a
> > bunch of my bikes… it’s time to reclaim my garage, and lately I’ve become
> > more interested in really good bikes that I can ride all day long. These
> > bikes are a hoot to ride and beautiful to look at, but they don’t meet my
> > basic criteria. Check them out here:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ershamp/sets/72157624529259091.
> >
> > Please forward this to any bike geeks and gearheads you know.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > David
> > Redlands, CA
> >
> > "One man's religion is another man's belly laugh."
> > --Robert A. Heinlein
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fwd: Thinning the Herd

[cyclotourist]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3088353448/


On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 8:56 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:

> Yeah, serious.  He's pretty much giving this stuff away.  Just wants it out
> of the garage sort of a situation.  I think he's keeping his Swiss Army
> paratrooper bike though!
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 7:09 PM, rcnute  wrote:
>
>> Tell him the '20s roadster must stay.
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Aug 4, 5:12 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
>> > Hello Bicycle Friends.  I guess y'all qualify as bike geeks and
>> gearheads.
>> > This are for sale by my friend and neighbor,
>> > Eric<
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3299208648/in/set-721576142..
>> .>.
>> > His email is below if you're interested in any of the bikes.
>> >
>> > -- Forwarded message --
>> > From: Eric Shamp 
>> > Date: Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:35 PM
>> > Subject: Thinning the Herd
>> >
>> >  Hey, guys. I just wanted to give everyone a heads-up that I’m selling a
>> > bunch of my bikes… it’s time to reclaim my garage, and lately I’ve
>> become
>> > more interested in really good bikes that I can ride all day long. These
>> > bikes are a hoot to ride and beautiful to look at, but they don’t meet
>> my
>> > basic criteria. Check them out here:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ershamp/sets/72157624529259091.
>> >
>> > Please forward this to any bike geeks and gearheads you know.
>> >
>> > Cheers.
>> >
>> > Eric
>> >
>> > --
>> > Cheers,
>> > David
>> > Redlands, CA
>> >
>> > "One man's religion is another man's belly laugh."
>> > --Robert A. Heinlein
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[RBW] Re: Some comparative biking data

[doug peterson]

Anne presents a concise thought exercise, pertinent to the original
post.  While I agree that subtle differences in weight can make
significant differences in speed and/or time, I'll gladly haul the
cookies.

dougP

On Aug 4, 2:01 pm, Anne Paulson  wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:51 AM, charlie  wrote:
> > What I am talking about is minor weight differences (as the original
> > poster mentioned) like between a 23 pound bike and say a 29 pounder.
> > Those differences can't amount to much
>
> OK, let's say I compare my 23 pound bike with that same 23 pound bike,
> but with six pounds of... something... added. Food. Cookies, say.  I
> and my twin will ride side by side, me on the unladen bike, OtherAnne
> on the bike with the cookies.
> --
> OK, we're climbing our favorite hill, which usually takes us around 30
> minutes. Say that I, with all of my bike clothes and everything, weigh
> 170 pounds. So I have a total of 193 pounds on the unladen bike, and
> OtherAnne has 199 pounds, about a three percent difference. Air
> resistance is negligible at climbing speed < 10 mph; speed is linear
> on total weight.
>
> I drop OtherAnne like a bad habit. She's over a minute behind; I can't
> even see her.  By the time she finally makes it to the top, I start
> making references to having to use a calendar to time her. (Of course,
> I can't have a cookie while I'm waiting, because she is carrying
> them.)
>
> Where I live, cyclists climb a lot of long hills that take over half
> an hour, because the flats have traffic and stoplights. If I'm giving
> away over a minute on every hill to my friends with lighter bikes,
> that might not be vitally important, but it's not nothing, either.
>
> -- Anne Paulson
>
> My hovercraft is full of eels

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Re: [RBW] Re: Some comparative biking data

[Anne Paulson]

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 9:44 PM, doug peterson  wrote:
> Anne presents a concise thought exercise, pertinent to the original
> post.  While I agree that subtle differences in weight can make
> significant differences in speed and/or time, I'll gladly haul the
> cookies.
>

Of course, I omitted the other side of the story. I'm the one in my
group who rides a Rivendell and carries cookies in a saddlebag. The
others ride carbon fiber bikes, no saddlebags, no triple cranksets,
and they barely carry anything. Yet I still climb faster  than some of
them-- because my bike is so comfortable, cookies on bike rides so
delicious, and low gears so great, that I ride all the time. Better to
have five pounds less on me and five pounds more on a great bike.

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[RBW] For sale: Ixon IQ Light

[Adam Kimball]

Hi all,

Back in 2007, I bought a nice Ixon IQ (head)light for my ride.  I used
it rarely, but thought to pull it out recently and found it was dead.
So, I sent it back to Peter White and he sent me a new one --
literally, brand new.  I have the invoice and I'll pass it on to you.
The light sells for $115 from Peter White Cycles.  I'd like to get $85
for this one.  It is the light and the bar mount only - no charger,
fork crown mount, or other extras.  But you can buy this stuff from
Peter White if you want it. This is the black "LED-IQ" light.

Let me know if you are interested.  I'm selling because I see a
Schmidt hub in my Big Dummy's future.  No Riv at the moment, but in
due time (again).

Best,
Adam

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[RBW] Re: For sale: Ixon IQ Light

[Mike]

I have this light and have used it on multiple brevets. I can't say
enough good things about it. I don't know the seller but just wanted
to say this is a great light and a really solid alternative to a dyno
hub.

--mike

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[RBW] FS: some more parts

[TomT]

Howdy All,

The IBob list appears to be down so I thought to give it a try here.

I have the following for sale:
1-  Ritchey Logic 110bcd crankset, 90's vintage, 170mm, logo removed,
50/34 or 36 rings.  -$75

1- IRD Quad QB-75 68x118mm bottom bracket, NIB $35

1-  Nitto Soba bars, 41cm c-c , NIB, $60

1-  Ritchey 4Axis stem, 2 bolt face,110mmx 84/6 deg -26.0 clamp,
polished silver-  $40

1-  Salsa Scadium stem, 2 bolt face, 110mm x 80/100 -  deg, 26.0
clamp, polished silver.

1- Toei fillet/chromed threadless stem, 1" steerer, 26.0 clamp, 115mm,
-17deg, 20mm quill section.  $250 or reasonable offers.

1-  set of Mafac 2000 centerpulls, exc cond. comes with cable
hangers.  $75.  An extra set of ball end straddle wires, NIB can be
had for $15 if you bought the brakes,

Shipping- 8 for ea, local pick up is welcome.

  Pics available.  THanks for checking.

TomT,
Oakland, CA

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[RBW] 3 Rivs for sale

[steve]

I have an Atlantis 56, an Atlantis 64, and a Romulus 59 listed for
sale on craigslist, location Washington DC.  I would welcome inquiries
from list members.  If I were smarter with internet, I would put the
links here, but don't know how to do that.

Some may wonder why so many Rivs for sale of such divergent sizes.
The Atlantis 56 and Romulus 59 have been my personal bikes.  I need to
downsize for family reasons.  The Atlantis 64 was sold to me on
craigslist with a different size listed and the seller would not
respond to my inquiries after it arrived--one of those craigslist
lessons.

Anyway, these bikes are looking for a good home.  If interested,
please respond off list.

Thanks, Steve Brent

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