[python-uk] Python 2.7 code: a spring-clean

[Richard Barran]

Hi all,

With the end-of-life of Python 2 upon us, I wondered about cleaning up code 
that has (had!) to support both Python 2 and Python 3. Some of it is easy (e.g. 
look for any references to the ‘six’ library), some of it is relatively easy 
(e.g. super(Foobar, self) ) and… actually, there could be quite a few things to 
tidy up. 

I’m wondering if there is a script out there to quickly introspect a codebase 
and flag up any legacy code? I’ve tried googling but drew up a blank. Any 
suggestions welcome!

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Re: [python-uk] Python 2.7 code: a spring-clean

[Richard Barran]

That might do the trick - I’ll try it out. Mucho thanks!

> On 4 Dec 2019, at 10:51, Jonathan Lange  wrote:
> 
> We've had good luck using https://github.com/asottile/pyupgrade 
> <https://github.com/asottile/pyupgrade> as a pre-commit hook (see 
> https://pre-commit.com/ <https://pre-commit.com/> – highly recommended).
> 
> We were already using Python 3, but it's helped us deal with some of the 3.n 
> -> 3.n+1 upgrades.
> 
> On Tue, 3 Dec 2019 at 21:23, Richard Barran  <mailto:rich...@arbee-design.co.uk>> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> With the end-of-life of Python 2 upon us, I wondered about cleaning up code 
> that has (had!) to support both Python 2 and Python 3. Some of it is easy 
> (e.g. look for any references to the ‘six’ library), some of it is relatively 
> easy (e.g. super(Foobar, self) ) and… actually, there could be quite a few 
> things to tidy up. 
> 
> I’m wondering if there is a script out there to quickly introspect a codebase 
> and flag up any legacy code? I’ve tried googling but drew up a blank. Any 
> suggestions welcome!
> 
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Re: [python-uk] ann: Python at the IET

[richard barran]

Hi,
I'd like to turn up tonight, but I haven't registered either :-( Is  
there a 'Plan B' for any python people who get turned away at the door?

Cheers,
Richard

On 3/7/07, at 12:11, Michael Grazebrook wrote:

> Technically you do need to pre-register, and it's booked out. But  
> in practice small numbers can always get in without registering, as  
> there are often drop-outs. It is free for non-members. I'm keen to  
> have a small number of Python UK people: to assist with the  
> practcial bit, to spread the word, and with the dream of putting on  
> many more lectures at the IET (but maybe on more advanced topics).
>
> Anand Kumria wrote:
>> On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 10:34:40 +0100, Tim Golden wrote:
>>> If you're in London around 6.30pm this Thursday evening, July 5th  
>>> 2007, you might want to drop in on The Institution of Engineering  
>>> and Technology [1] on the Embankment near Waterloo Bridge [2] for  
>>> "A Light byte of Python" [3]. Michael Grazebrook, Pete Ryland and  
>>> I are flying the Python flag for the benefit of technologists who  
>>> have not yet had the pleasure. Michael will be using ctypes to  
>>> control a USB-interfaced sensor kit; Pete will be demoing user  
>>> interfaces; I'll be using BeautifulSoup and sqlite3 to populate a  
>>> database from a web page and (time permitting) using csv and  
>>> ReportLab to push it back out again. We're presenting the thing  
>>> as a bring-a-laptop workshop, and it would be great if we had  
>>> experienced Pythoneers along to help afterwards (in addition to  
>>> ourselves). The take-up's been quite high for the event and  
>>> there's tea & coffee beforehand and sandwiches afterwards.
>> Cool! I expect to see you there. Apart from looking for other  
>> people with laptop, do we need to pre- register our attendence or  
>> anything? Cheers, Anand  
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Re: [python-uk] London Python meetup, Tuesday the 31st.

[richard barran]

On 17/7/07, at 13:48, Simon Brunning wrote:

> See http://tinyurl.com/2m7ahw for details, such as they are.
>

Hi,

Thinking of coming along, but got a couple of questions:
1. What time does it start?
2. I've never been before, so how will I recognize people? :-)

Cheers,
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Re: [python-uk] London Python Django night

[richard barran]

Hi Anand,
V. interested in your presentation tomorrow night - is it going ahead?
Cheers,
Richard

On 19 Nov 2008, at 15:47, Anand Kumria wrote:


What I meant to write was that it is on Sunday (23rd Nov).

Same place. Same time.

Unfortunately the booking for Thursday was too late this time around.


http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/10/1093/Lamb/Bloomsbury

from 18:30 onwards. I am envisaging an informal evening; meet up and


Obviously as it is on a Sunday, not as many people will be able to  
make

it -- so a projector, whilst nice, may not even be necessary.



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Re: [python-uk] London Python Roles

[richard barran]

On 13 Dec 2010, at 19:36, Tim Golden wrote:
> I'm genuinely surprised by this reaction which comes up
> even more forcefully on the main Python lists. It seems
> like a reasonable use of a (technically and geographically)
> focused mailing list. You might not like job agencies, but
> there doesn't seem to be anything intrinsically wrong with
> them.
> 
> Am I missing something? Is some kind of Linux-culture thing
> which doesn't spill over...?

+1
The Python community is still very small; I was surprised at the last 
Europython to discover that most of the people present did not earn a wage from 
Python. Anything that helps more pythonistas earn a living from their passion 
is good IMO.
While I can understand strong opposition on the main Python list (which is 
about the language itself), python-uk is a low-volume list for discussions 
about the Python *community* in this country... and jobs are a part of that.
Obviously, once tens of thousands of UK devs earn their living from Python, 
then I will join the "NO" camp :-) 


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Re: [python-uk] Next week in London: Informal python pub meetup with YouGov

[Richard Barran]

There is also TLPG (The London Python Group) next Tuesday night. It's a fairly 
new meetup and I haven't been yet.

http://www.meetup.com/The-London-Python-Group-TLPG/events/17172683/

Richard 

On 7 May 2011, at 09:20, Nicholas Tollervey wrote:

> Hi Brent,
> 
> Sounds like a plan. Thursday evenings are good for me. There used to be
> an occasional London Pyssup organised by Andy Kilner (who I've also
> cc'd). He might be able to suggest pubs. Andy..?
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Nicholas.
> 
> On Sat, 2011-05-07 at 01:56 +0200, Brent Tubbs wrote:
>> Hello Python UK!
>> 
>> 
>> I'm a Python dev for YouGov, working from the Palo Alto (California)
>> office.  Our CTO and I will be in London next week and are interested
>> in meeting up with some local Python users for a drink.
>> 
>> 
>> I'm just writing to gauge interest right now.  If people seem keen
>> then we'll find a good place and follow up here with more details.
>> 
>> 
>> Looking forward to meeting you,
>> Brent
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> 
>> Brent Tubbs
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> YouGovPolimetrix
>> 
>> 285 Hamilton Avenue
>> Suite #200
>> 
>> Palo Alto, CA 94301
>> 
>> brent.tu...@yougov.com
>> 
>> http://www.yougov.com/
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [python-uk] Jolt Online Gaming is hiring (another Python related job)

[Richard Barran]

Well, at the risk of sounding pedantic - this is the "UK" mailing list, and 
according to my trusty Google route finder, some bits (ok, a very small bit) of 
the UK are about an hour's drive from Dublin... so it could well be possible to 
commute :-)

On 23 May 2011, at 11:39, Evans ' wrote:

> Hi Jaime,
> 
> Sounds like a great opportunity to join a gaming company - unfortunately, 
> it's based in Dublin.
> Some of us are based in London and won't even consider relocating.
> 
> Thanks for posting it.
> 
> --
> Evans
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Re: [python-uk] Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - any interest?

[Richard Barran]

+1 here as well.
Something that's been for ever on my to-learn list, but never got round to it.
Richard

On 14 Oct 2011, at 09:56, tom christie wrote:

> And another +1 from here - great plan!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
>   Tom.
> 
> On 14 October 2011 09:16, Andy Robinson  wrote:
> We've been using Selenium for several years and have two fairly
> substantial test suites used for web applications, as well as Django's
> test client.  I don't think we're doing anything particularly
> advanced, clever or 'Django-integrated', but we can certainly show
> some of this if needed and would be keen to compare notes on best
> practices, if the venue and dates work out.
> 
> We've also just started to play with BrowserMob, which is a hosted
> testing service that can import selenium scripts, run tests for you
> regularly, run realistic load tests, and even send you screenshots of
> what went wrong if tests fail.  It's pretty neat and you can play with
> it at modest levels at no charge.  I should know a bit more by
> whenever the talk rolls around!
> 
> 
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> ReportLab
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Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

[Richard Barran]

On 11 Dec 2012, at 11:38, Andy Robinson  wrote:

> On 11 December 2012 10:51, Andy Robinson  wrote:
>> We are looking for people who are smart, get
>> things done and are good team players.
> 
> 
> For all employers out there  my HR guru goes to all the seminars
> on employment law, and is very current on what we can and cannot do.
> She has told me that our latest round of ads are wrong because
> explicitly asking for SMART people is discriminatory against THICK
> people.   You can ask about skills, but not about innate
> characteristics like age or sex (which we all know), and apparently,
> now, brains.
> 
> Anyone else heard this kind of total bollocks lately?  ;-)

Just say that you meant SMARTLY-DRESSED people :-)

PS Actually, bad idea. You've just dissuaded 95% of the developer population 
from applying for your job.
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Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

[Richard Barran]

On 11 Dec 2012, at 11:38, Andy Robinson  wrote:

> On 11 December 2012 10:51, Andy Robinson  wrote:
>> We are looking for people who are smart, get
>> things done and are good team players.
> 
> 
> For all employers out there  my HR guru goes to all the seminars
> on employment law, and is very current on what we can and cannot do.
> She has told me that our latest round of ads are wrong because
> explicitly asking for SMART people is discriminatory against THICK
> people.   You can ask about skills, but not about innate
> characteristics like age or sex (which we all know), and apparently,
> now, brains.
> 
> Anyone else heard this kind of total bollocks lately?  ;-)

Just say that you meant SMARTLY-DRESSED people :-)

PS Actually, bad idea. You've just dissuaded 95% of the developer population 
from applying for your job.
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Re: [python-uk] Can you help us build our London team?

[Richard Barran]

The various beer-and-tech gatherings organised through meetup.com could be a 
good starting point?

http://www.meetup.com/The-London-Python-Group-TLPG/

and 

http://www.meetup.com/The-London-Django-Meetup-Group/  (for Django [warm] 
bodies).

Personally I got my first job in London through one of these; I'm gonna work 2 
weeks later this month for a co. I met at a recent meetup; and today I helped 
interview a guy who was at the last Django meet. So they definitely work.

HTH,

Richard

On 14 Feb 2013, at 20:42, Roger Toor  wrote:
> ...
> We're building our London team, which will consist of 4-5 developers in the 
> next few weeks. However, being based in Silicon Valley at the moment, I am 
> struggling to find where suitable candidates available now/soon hang out
> ...

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Re: [python-uk] Can you help us build our London team?

[Richard Barran]

Apologies Nick - I completely forgot about the dojo in my list of regular 
meetups. I'll wear a dunce cap for today in penance.
 
On 15 Feb 2013, at 06:41, Nicholas H.Tollervey  wrote:

> Hi Roger,
> 
> The London Python Code Dojo happens on the first Thursday of every
> month. Many developers have found jobs through attending this event
> (see: http://ntoll.org/article/how-to-run-an-awesome-code-dojo for the
> full details of what a dojo is - basically lots of live coding,
> problem solving and discussion).
> 
> It's not uncommon for companies to turn up, stand up and say, "We're
> hiring, come grab me for details". Also, were you to take part in the
> dojo you'd also get to see and work with potential applicants thinking
> about, resolving and presenting solutions to computing problems in Python.
> 
> We announce details on this list.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Nicholas.
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Re: [python-uk] Biggest Fake Conference in Computer Science

[Richard Barran]

Spam? Sounds on-topic for a Python mailing list :-)

On 1 May 2013, at 00:52, Stestagg  wrote:

> Is this just spam?  It certainly has that feel about it..
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 12:12 AM,  wrote:
> Biggest Fake Conference in Computer Science
> 
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Re: [python-uk] Job Ad: Senior Python Engineers -Skimlinks - London

[Richard Barran]

More sensible, but a lot less fun for us in the popcorn gallery!

> The reverse, people accidentally answering just to the sender instead of the 
> whole list, seems better than people accidentally sending private emails to 
> everyone.​

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Re: [python-uk] Transifex experiences - did it save enough time to justify the cost?

[Richard Barran]

I’ve used Transifex on several projects, and so far it’s worked well.

As Pawel says, it doesn’t play well with version control and branching; when 
you send translation .po files to Transifex, it overwrites *everything* already 
there, so there is a real potential for losing work. In a similar way to what 
Pawel does, we only push to Transifex from our staging/beta branch.
Furthermore, we use Fabric and we’ve wrapped into a single command:
- pull down translation files from Transifex.
- compile to .mo files.
- extract new translatable strings from the source code.
- send the .po files to Transifex.
As long as no-one is translating *at that very moment*, we’re safe.

Overall, it’s very much worth the (low) cost, as it provides a nice UI for 
non-technical translators to work with: .po files are not user-friendly!

Big warning:
Transifex is only for translating the .po files, i.e. the hard-coded text 
strings in the templates and in the python source.

For translating the *content*, i.e. what’s managed in the admin, you’ll need a 
different tool.
At the place where I’m working we’ve used dango-hvad on several projects. Quite 
frankly, it’s a pain, it adds a *lot* to development time, and it’s the source 
of a large number of weird bugs in our codebase.
However - we have reviewed other apps, and so far our conclusion is (to use a 
famous quote) “django-hvad is the worst django content translations app, except 
all those other django content translations apps that have been tried from time 
to time.”

Hope to help,
Richard

> On 28 May 2015, at 03:57, Paweł Królikowski  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> I've worked in a project that used transifex. I wasn't personally involved, 
> but I can share what I overheard over lunch:
> - it worked pretty well, translation management/interface was really cool. We 
> used the transifex provided external translators and it worked pretty cool 
> too. 
> - we had some troubles with translations and branches: AFAIK transifex 
> doesn't support that, so you were only able to push translations from a 
> single branch (otherwise they could get overridden, or disappear) - that 
> slowed down the releases/merging. Other guys were still trying to work around 
> it though, so there might be a solution.
> 
> In short, translations were still a pain, so don't expect miracles. But 
> transifex definitely helped in some parts of the process. And we didn't find 
> a better solution.
> 
> Hope that helps ;),
> 
> Pawel
> 
> On May 27, 2015 22:08, "Richard Nienaber"  > wrote:
> I've come across crowdin.com  but I haven't had a need 
> to use it yet. 
> 
> Richard
> 
> On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 3:04 AM, Konrad Korżel  > wrote:
> Rosetta  is a fine django app that 
> makes translations easier, it uses the admin interface for it.
> 
> On 27 May 2015 at 10:55, Chris Adams  > wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm looking after a Django site and I'm looking for a less painful way
> to manage translations of both the content and some parts of the UI that
> users see in the templates.
> 
> Is Transifex the main game in town for doing this these days, if you
> want to manage the workflow without shunting spreadsheets around all
> day? Best to assume noone else in the organisation has heard of Github,
> let alone knows what a pull request is.
> 
> And can anyone on the list share where using it has turned out to be a
> more difficult experience than they were expecting?
> 
> From what I can see on the site it look ideal, almost too good to be
> true...
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chris
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Re: [python-uk] python-uk Digest, Vol 144, Issue 5

[Richard Barran]

Hi Sophie,

A quick hint: job ads are welcome here, but only if correctly written and 
targeted. A lot of people here *hate* recruiters (with reason - I myself have 
only ever met 2 or 3 that I get on with), hate seeing this list being used for 
spam, and, well… next time, please start a new discussion thread with its own 
title, rather than highjacking another thread ;-)

Richard

> On 2 Sep 2015, at 18:44, Sophie Hendley  wrote:
> 
> Hi guys, 
> 
> I'm helping to build a new team for a very exciting startup. It's a product 
> company founded by some of the leading technical and business people from 
> Spotify, Google and Facebook. 
> 
> I'm looking for a Senior Developer to work in the platform development 
> working on a Micro-Services Architecture using Python in a TDD environment 
> 
> It's London's biggest technology investment and they're building their 
> platform from scratch. 
> 
> The salary is anywhere up to £85,000 there are also share options and private 
> healthcare on top of this along with free food and drinks 
> 
> Let me know if you're interested and we can have a chat. 
> 
> Kind regards, 
> 
> Sophie 
> 
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> The next dojo will be happening at 6:30 pm on Thursday the 3rd of
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> 
> Skimlinks
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Re: [python-uk] [JOB] Full Stack Developer

[Richard Barran]

Another one caught out by the difference between ‘reply to list’ and ‘reply to 
sender’ :-)


> On 28 Sep 2015, at 12:25, Sebastian Cheung via python-uk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Paul
> 
> I am available now
> 
> My LinkedIn profile is Sebastian Cheung CQF
> 
> 
> 
> Sebastian
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 28 Sep 2015, at 11:08, Paul Egan  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone.
>> 
>> I'm looking for a full-stack developer with a range experience across 
>> different platforms but especially Python. We're an incubator organisation 
>> where there's the opportunity to work on a wide variety of products and 
>> Python seems to me to be the best language choice in such an environment... 
>> but of course I'm biased. :-)
>> 
>> I think we have a good setup, with the best of the startup world backed by 
>> the stability & support of a larger organisation. More information here: 
>> http://founders-factory.workable.com/jobs/115795 
>> .
>> 
>> Feel free to email me if you'd like to know more or catch me at the next 
>> Python Dojo.
>> 
>> Paul
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Re: [python-uk] job postings to this list

[Richard Barran]

This thread does sound like a meeting of the People's Front of Judea.

(PS: and that’s my convoluted attempt at slipping a Monty Python reference into 
this mailing list)

> On 2 Sep 2016, at 17:09, S Walker  wrote:
> 
> And once again the amount of posts in a discussion about whether or not there 
> are too many job postings significantly exceeds the amount of job postings!
> 
> S
> 
> On 02/09/16 11:44, Stephen Thorne wrote:
>> I've not only accidentally done this, but ended up working for that employer 
>> for 5 years! (not this list)
>> 
>> On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 at 09:49 Tom Viner < t...@viner.tv 
>> > wrote:
>> Potential candidates as well as recruiters are reminded that hitting reply 
>> will result in a mail aimed back to the list.
>> 
>> You must then manually edit the To: field.
>> 
>> Furthermore: Outlook's "recall this message" will not work, rather it will 
>> send a further email to the list, each and every time you click it. Although 
>> perhaps third time's a charm? 
>> 
>> 
>> You have been warned!
>> 
>> 
>> On 2 September 2016 at 07:09, Nicholas H.Tollervey < 
>> nt...@ntoll.org > wrote:
>> On 01/09/16 22:49, Chris Withers wrote:
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > What's the current state of play with job ads and this list?
>> >
>> > Last I knew, they weren't allowed. Seems to be the majority of list
>> > content now...
>> >
>> > Chris
>> >
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>> 
>> As people have mentioned, the consensus that I've seen is that posting a
>> job ad is fine so long as it's not recruiter spam.
>> 
>> Of course, recruiters advertising for a specific job with an appropriate
>> level of detail about the job in question (location, salary, expectation
>> of role, desired skills and experience, information about what the
>> company does) is also fine.
>> 
>> What is recruiter spam? How about, "exciting opportunity for Python
>> ninja in green-field project at one of London's most exciting employers"
>> is, IMHO, NOT welcome. It's just meaningless noise and probably
>> recruitment phishing.
>> 
>> Hope this helps,
>> 
>> N.
>> 
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Re: [python-uk] 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to £95k

[Richard Barran]

Did I just hear a “whoosh!” ?

> On 6 Dec 2016, at 12:21, Alistair Broomhead  
> wrote:
> 
> As a warning to others, I think you might not have wanted to reply to the 
> list ;)
> 
> On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 at 11:09 David Hughes  > wrote:
> On 06/12/2016 10:20, Sophie Hendley wrote:
>> Hey all, 
>> 
>> I wanted to see if anyone on this list would be interested in chatting to me 
>> about either of the following.
>> 
> 
>> Principle engineer/ Future CTO to highly anticipated insurance start-up 
>> 
> 
>> ...
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Principle engineer /Second in command to the CTO at a highly successful SAAS 
>> start-up. 
>> 
> 
>> ...
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Get in touch if you are interested. 
>> 
> 
> 
> Yes, in principal, I would be interested ;-)
> 
> -- 
> Regards
> 
> David Hughes
> Forestfield Software
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Re: [python-uk] 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to £95k

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> On 7 Dec 2016, at 11:49, Daniele Procida  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, Richard Smith  wrote:
> 
>> What was rude about it? 
> 
> Referring to a person as a "lazy recruitment agent" is rude.
> 
>> Sophie is
>> going to have to prove that she can be a trusted agent.
> 
> Sophie doesn't have to prove anything. All she has to do is use the list in 
> accordance with its agreed purposes, politely.
> 

I have to disagree; using a list in accordance with its agreed purpose, or with 
a code of conduct, or whatever, is not enough.
The people who subscribe to this list are busy; we all have lives, jobs, 
families, unreasonable bosses, tiring commutes, sick and elderly parents, etc…
Someone who requests our attention and time should respect that time, that 
attention that we are giving them.

The recruiter who started this thread has posted several times before to this 
list; looking at her previous posts, they are well formatted, explain 
succinctly the jobs on offer, and provide enough information for me to decide 
if I want to contact her for more information (and just in case my boss is 
reading this: no, I’m not *actually* reading the job ads in detail!).

This latest post, however, was frankly lazy:
- typo in the title.
- a list of technologies that’s badly copy-and-pasted (e.g “Postgre”) as well 
as showing poor understanding of the subject area (“tech stack” includes 
“APIs”. Err, come again?).

The OP has proven that "that she can be a trusted agent” (to quote from Richard 
Smith’s email) in the past.
However, trust and respect is not something that is earned once and for all - 
if I start spouting rubbish, I can expect to be called out on it, not matter 
how much respect (or “browny points”) I might have earned in the past. And I 
think that this should apply to anyone who posts to a mailing list.

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Re: [python-uk] 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to £95k

[Richard Barran]

> On 7 Dec 2016, at 12:49, Alistair Broomhead  
> wrote:
> 
> I would prefer not to hold other people to a higher standard than I hold 
> myself. I know I'm certainly guilty of sending an email in a rush before, and 
> later seeing that it wasn't perfect. 

It happens to everyone; a simple “Oops, sorry, should have re-read before 
posting” should be enough to smooth any ruffled feathers.

> The matter of the email's spelling being raked up again and again, when 
> Sophie has apologised for it, and pointed out that this is something she 
> struggles with on account of her disability, quite frankly stinks of ableism, 
> which I have no time for.
> This community has a reputation for being inclusive and friendly. Picking on 
> someone's disability is a great way to destroy that reputation. Please don’t.

I am reading your last 2 sentences and I hope I’m horribly misunderstanding 
your post; I’m reading that you are implying that I was picking on someone’s 
disability. Could you just confirm that I’ve got it completely wrong?

> On Wed, 7 Dec 2016 at 11:44 Richard Barran  <mailto:rich...@arbee-design.co.uk>> wrote:
> 
> > On 7 Dec 2016, at 11:49, Daniele Procida  > <mailto:dani...@vurt.org>> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, Richard Smith  > <mailto:rich...@indigo3.com>> wrote:
> >
> >> What was rude about it?
> >
> > Referring to a person as a "lazy recruitment agent" is rude.
> >
> >> Sophie is
> >> going to have to prove that she can be a trusted agent.
> >
> > Sophie doesn't have to prove anything. All she has to do is use the list in 
> > accordance with its agreed purposes, politely.
> >
> 
> I have to disagree; using a list in accordance with its agreed purpose, or 
> with a code of conduct, or whatever, is not enough.
> The people who subscribe to this list are busy; we all have lives, jobs, 
> families, unreasonable bosses, tiring commutes, sick and elderly parents, etc…
> Someone who requests our attention and time should respect that time, that 
> attention that we are giving them.
> 
> The recruiter who started this thread has posted several times before to this 
> list; looking at her previous posts, they are well formatted, explain 
> succinctly the jobs on offer, and provide enough information for me to decide 
> if I want to contact her for more information (and just in case my boss is 
> reading this: no, I’m not *actually* reading the job ads in detail!).
> 
> This latest post, however, was frankly lazy:
> - typo in the title.
> - a list of technologies that’s badly copy-and-pasted (e.g “Postgre”) as well 
> as showing poor understanding of the subject area (“tech stack” includes 
> “APIs”. Err, come again?).
> 
> The OP has proven that "that she can be a trusted agent” (to quote from 
> Richard Smith’s email) in the past.
> However, trust and respect is not something that is earned once and for all - 
> if I start spouting rubbish, I can expect to be called out on it, not matter 
> how much respect (or “browny points”) I might have earned in the past. And I 
> think that this should apply to anyone who posts to a mailing list.
> 
> Richard
> 
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Re: [python-uk] Burning desire to watch cataract surgery?

[Richard Barran]

I see what you did there...

> On 13 Oct 2017, at 15:21, Adam Johnson  wrote:
> 
> Sounds cutting edge!
> 
> On 13 October 2017 at 14:05, Hansel Dunlop  > wrote:
> Probably not, in fact I probably don't want to watch another one in my life 
> if I can help it. BUT: 
> 
> For those who know me, and for those that don't. The company I'm working for 
> (It's called Touch Surgery, and I look after the platform team) is growing 
> quickly at the moment. There are a broad range of technical roles. I'm 
> particularly keen to find some Python devs who have worked on large Django 
> projects but anyone senior looking for something exciting would be of great 
> interest. 
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