Re: [python-uk] Farewell, relocating to Italy and looking for a remote job

[Tim Golden]

What Nicholas said. It's been great knowing you. I hope we can manage to 
meet up some time before you leave.


TJG

On 29/09/2018 15:45, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote:

Andrea,

Sorry... there's a bug, the farewell function returns a SadnessOverload
exception. :-(

I'd like to wish you the best of luck for your return to Italy -- the UK
Python community's loss is their gain.

We should totally meet for a drink/coffee/lunch very soon.

N.

On 29/09/18 11:54, a.gra...@gmail.com wrote:

from greetings import farewell

Good morning folks!

I don't want to bother you with many details, but for family reasons
(I can't confirm nor deny it has anything to do with what may happen
in March 2019), me and my wife will relocate to Italy (where she just
got an amazing training job as Geriatric specialisation doctor).

I'm planning to stay in London no later than March and I hope to be
able to catch up with those of you that I know in person, before I
definitely leave.

I met a good number of amazing people during my time in UK. I can't
probably mention everyone, but I will at least mention those I did
learn a lot from (I hope I didn't forget anyone!).

Nicholas, Ravi, Daniel Pope, Harry Percival, Tim Golden, Daniele
Procida: it's been a pleasure to meet you at Python Dojo and PyCon UK!

Work wise, I'm still enjoying my job at GDS (they are of course aware
of my situation), but since I won't be able to bring this job with me
in Italy, I really would like to find a remote job which I can start
here and continue from there once I will have moved.

If you are aware of any company hiring remote Python/Django (I'm also
learning Go, just don't expect me to be fluent as much as I'm with
Python) backend developers, I would be glad to know.

I'm sure we will be able to stay in touch through the mailing list or
on Twitter, I just won't be able to attend your local meetups.

farewell("folks!")





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[python-uk] November London Python Dojo

[Tim Golden]

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/london-python-code-dojo-season-10-episode-3-tickets-51866261384

The London Python Code Dojo is back next Thursday, the 1st of November 
at 6:30pm.


Gazprom (GM&T) are hosting us for the first time at their offices near 
Regents Park: 20 Triton St, London NW1 3BF


We will have our usual mixture of socialising, and hacking on silly 
problems. For those who wish, there will be post-Dojo socialising in a 
nearby pub. And of course the O'Reilly book give away.


What is a dojo?

A coding dojo is a safe place (we use the PyCon UK code of conduct) to 
deliberately practise and develop your coding skills, and perhaps learn 
something new too. We don't really (read: never) stick to a strict dojo 
format but rather brainstorm ideas for problems to solve, choosing one 
by popular, if complicated, vote, and then break into teams courtesy of 
the London Python Dojo Fully Patented Numbering Scheme for an hour and a 
half of furious coding (at least, furious something). To wrap the 
evening up each team does a “show and tell”, and end with drinks in the pub.


All programming abilities welcome, we have diverse attendees ranging 
from beginners to core Python contributors!


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Re: [python-uk] A question about etiquette for posting jobs or looking for extra help on freelance gigs

[Tim Golden]

Heh :)

This is a fairly quiet list, but whenever someone posts a job post, a 
conversation will ensue along almost Pythonesque lines:


A: Here's a relevant Python-specific job I'm advertising

B: You can't post Jobs here! It's a mailing list

C: *Cough* actually, you can; we discussed this at some length in the 
Council of 2016


B: Oh yes. But it can't be a recruiter

C: Well, it could be if they're posting something specific and not just 
"Ninja Coders to "


A: So can I post this job?

(silence)


So -- please go ahead and post, and if you want to include something in 
the header to help people who are especially sensitive, please do so.


python-uk: let the Games begin!

TJG

On 30/01/2019 15:21, Chris Adams wrote:

Hi folks

I've been a lurker on this list for a while, and I'd like to post a 
request for help for a 3-6 month long freelancer project, but I wanted 
to check what the etiquette was before I did this about posting jobs.


Is there something like [JOBS] I should put in the subject title, so 
people can filter it out, or similar?


I had a quick skim over the mailing list archive, and I didn't see a 
pattern in the job ads or but I may well have missed it some guidance - 
if there is, would a kind soul point me to it?


If there isn't, I'll just send a post in a bit with what I'm looking for.

Thanks

P.S. A bit more context. I work as freelancer myself, and I really like 
the place I'm working, but I lucked out and a funding application I sent 
ages ago landed 
, so I'm 
looking find someone I can work with to hand over before the new project 
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[python-uk] The London Python Dojo is upon us once again

[Tim Golden]

The first Thursday of the month approaches, and so does the London 
Python Coding Dojo. You can register here:


https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/london-python-code-dojo-season-10-episode-6-tickets-55760486115

As ever we offer a friendly and welcoming chance for experienced and 
novice Python coders to interact in the context of a lighthearted coding 
challenge. Our hosts are offering beer & pizza beforehand as well as the 
facilities of their office.


We look forward to seeing you there!

TJG
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Re: [python-uk] The London Python Code Dojo is coming back next Thursday

[Tim Golden]

We've still got some tickets left, so please sign up and join the fun 
tomorrow evening:


https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/london-python-code-dojo-season-10-episode-8-tickets-5957444

TJG

On 29/03/2019 11:21, Gautier HAYOUN wrote:

Dear python-uk,

The London Python Code Dojo is coming back for a new season next 
Thursday, the 4th of April at 6:30PM.


We will be coming back to Sohonet near Oxford Circus.

We will have our usual mixture of socialising, lightning talks, 
hacking on silly problems. For those who wish, there will be 
post-Dojo socialising in a nearby pub.


So book now for a free ticket at 
https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/london-python-code-dojo-season-10-episode-8-tickets-5957444


The address:
Sohonet
5 Soho Street
London
W1D 3QL

See you next week!
Gautier



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Re: [python-uk] The London Python Code Dojo is coming back next Thursday

[Tim Golden]

*Cough* obviously -- on Thursday evening. I mean: I hope you do have fun 
tomorrow evening, but if you want to enjoy yourself with us at the 
London Python Code Dojo you'll have to wait until Thursday


TJG

On 02/04/2019 15:52, Tim Golden wrote:
We've still got some tickets left, so please sign up and join the fun 
tomorrow evening:


https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/london-python-code-dojo-season-10-episode-8-tickets-5957444

TJG

On 29/03/2019 11:21, Gautier HAYOUN wrote:

Dear python-uk,

The London Python Code Dojo is coming back for a new season next 
Thursday, the 4th of April at 6:30PM.


We will be coming back to Sohonet near Oxford Circus.

We will have our usual mixture of socialising, lightning talks, 
hacking on silly problems. For those who wish, there will be 
post-Dojo socialising in a nearby pub.


So book now for a free ticket at 
https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/london-python-code-dojo-season-10-episode-8-tickets-5957444


The address:
Sohonet
5 Soho Street
London
W1D 3QL

See you next week!
Gautier





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Re: [python-uk] The London Python Code Dojo is coming back next Thursday

[Tim Golden]

Start a spin-off: The South Coast Python Code Dojo?

Or maybe "The Cinque Ports Python Code Dojo" sounds a bit grander?
[I'm sure there's a Monty Python reference there somewhere as well, 
riffing on the not-so-cinq Cinque Ports]


TJG

On 02/04/2019 16:41, Steve Holden wrote:

Alas no longer quite as practical now I'm living in Hastings.

regards
Steve Holden


On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:55 PM Tim Golden <mailto:m...@timgolden.me.uk>> wrote:


*Cough* obviously -- on Thursday evening. I mean: I hope you do
have fun tomorrow evening, but if you want to enjoy yourself with
us at the London Python Code Dojo you'll have to wait until Thursday

TJG

On 02/04/2019 15:52, Tim Golden wrote:

We've still got some tickets left, so please sign up and join the
fun tomorrow evening:


https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/london-python-code-dojo-season-10-episode-8-tickets-5957444

TJG

On 29/03/2019 11:21, Gautier HAYOUN wrote:

Dear python-uk,

The London Python Code Dojo is coming back for a new season next
Thursday, the 4th of April at 6:30PM.

We will be coming back to Sohonet near Oxford Circus.

We will have our usual mixture of socialising, lightning talks,
hacking on silly problems. For those who wish, there will be
post-Dojo socialising in a nearby pub.

So book now for a free ticket at

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/london-python-code-dojo-season-10-episode-8-tickets-5957444

The address:
Sohonet
5 Soho Street
London
W1D 3QL

See you next week!
Gautier





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[python-uk] London Python Dojo 10th Anniversary

[Tim Golden]

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/london-python-code-dojo-tenth-anniversary-special-season-11-episode-1-tickets-70899725989

Please join us for the London Python Dojo's 10th Anniversary edition 
next Thursday evening September 5th. We've coaxed Nicholas Tollervey -- 
who started the Dojo 10 years ago -- out of retirement to host / 
cat-herd for us one more time. We'll be reminiscing about past Dojo 
laughs and disasters and, of course, having the usual Dojo collaborative 
coding mayhem.


The Dojo will take place at Memrise [*] offices near Liverpool Street 
and we're especially grateful to them for stepping up at short notice 
when our planned venue had to pull out.


The tickets are free and are available via the Eventbrite link above. If 
you haven't encountered the London Python Dojo before you can read about 
it here: http://ldnpydojo.org.uk/. But, in short, it's a friendly social 
coding event, open to peopl with any Python experience or none. 
(Seriously: we have people turn up and enjoy themselves who've never 
opened an interpreter in their lives).


Please do come along and help us make our 10th anniversary enjoyable and 
fun. If you have any questions, tweet us @ldnpydojo or email the team: 
t...@ldnpydojo.org.uk


TJG

[*] https://twitter.com/memrise
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[python-uk] London Python Dojo 5th March 2020

[Tim Golden]

What? The perennial and never-stale London Python Dojo

When? Thursday March 5th 2020 from 6.30pm

Where? Reckon Digital at 20 Farringdon Street, London, EC4A 4AB, United 
Kingdom


How? 
https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/london-python-code-dojo-season-11-episode-7-tickets-97330922409


It's a fun evening of Python coding, suitable for any and every ability 
(or none). There is beer & pizza beforehand, courtesy of our hosts, 
followed by a team-based non-competitive coding challenge. In the end we 
all come back together to see just how different everyone's solution 
was. And then... off to the pub.


Contact us on Twitter https://twitter.com/ldnpydojo

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[python-uk] CANCELLED: London Python Dojo 5th March 2020

[Tim Golden]

We've been advised by our hosts Reckon Digital & HubHub that there is a 
confirmed case of Corona Virus within their building. We've decided 
that, for a non-essential event such as the Dojo, the responsible course 
of action is to cancel this month's Dojo.


We hope you'll understand and we expect to be back in April, virus 
permitting. As usual, keep an eye on our Twitter @ldnpydojo and the 
python-uk mailing list.


TJG
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Re: [python-uk] Web Development with Python

[Tim Golden]

[Michael Foord]

> Simon Faulkner wrote:
[... snip re web app ...]

> I'm surprised you haven't had a flood of emails replying to this. :-)

Might be worth pointing out to Simon that this is the
UK Python list, and while I'm quite you'll get
helpful answers, this list tends to be used for very
UK-specific things such as meetups, jobs etc. Not
saying there's anything wrong with posting general
Python questions here; just that you'll probably get
a wider response from the main Python mailing list / 
newsgroup / Google Group (they all mirror to each other, 
so take your pick):

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
usenet - comp.lang.python
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python?hl=en

Tim Golden


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Re: [python-uk] Web Development with Python

[Tim Golden]

[Simon Faulkner]
| [Tim Golden]
| > Might be worth pointing out to Simon that this is the
| > UK Python list, and while I'm quite you'll get
| > helpful answers, this list tends to be used for very
| > UK-specific things such as meetups, jobs etc. Not
| > saying there's anything wrong with posting general
| > Python questions here; just that you'll probably get
| > a wider response from the main Python mailing list / 
| > newsgroup / Google Group (they all mirror to each other, 
| > so take your pick):
| 
| I appreciate the difference but also find that I sometimes get a more 
| measured, mature response from the UK specific groups without anyone 
| yelling "Like, d00d, use PHP man!"

My own experience is that the main Python group is
remarkably mature and uninfested with script-kiddies
and so on. I wouldn't say there are never spats, but
even those tend to be remarkably controlled, and often
informative (in a heated kind of way). By all means
stick to the UK list, but you might want to dip your
toe in the waters of the main list just to see...

| Are there any event's 'ooop north'?

There was talk of one recently, can't remember 
where, in addition to the usual Oxford one.
(Which I've never managed to get to!)
Does this mean you're based up there (says the
Londoner). 'Cos we seem to be going through
a phase of regular meetups in London at the
moment, ie getting together in a pub along
with various other interested parties. You
might want to come along... or organise a
northern equivalent!

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Re: [python-uk] Web Development with Python

[Tim Golden]

[Simon Faulkner]
|
| [re my suggestion to use c.l.py] 
|
| You are correct of course.  In fact, I usually get the 
| correct answer to my programming problems within minutes.

Ah yes. Now I take the trouble to Google a bit, you 
obviously *have* used the main list. Sorry, I took 
you for someone who'd mistakenly thought that python-uk 
was the English-speaking version of the main Python list
(or something).

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Re: [python-uk] Wordpress help? (it's relevant, I'm on python planet!)

[Tim Golden]

[Ryan Alexander]

| Does anyone have advice on a good place to look for a quick guide on
| how to get up-to-speed on modifying my wordpress blog?  Now that
| people are apparently actually reading me, I feel like I should
| actually make it look good.

Well, the obvious place -- just in case you hadn't thought
of it yourself (!) -- is the Wordpress codex and the official
themes site:

http://codex.wordpress.org
http://themes.wordpress.org

Personally, I've always just downlaoded some useful-looking
theme and then poked at the PHP until it did what I
wanted.

TJG


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Re: [python-uk] Wordpress help? (it's relevant, I'm on python planet!)

[Tim Golden]

[Ryan Alexander]

(re Wordpress mods)

| I'm not hosting it personally though, how do I get access to the php?

Well, assuming I understand you... I'm not hosting mine
"personally" (ie on some server sitting in my living room).
But I do have shell access to the account on the shared
host I use. That said, the Wordpress admin interface gives 
you access to the files involved in a theme (under 
Presentation > Theme Editor), and I assume you have *some* 
kind of FTP / scp access to get the stuff there in the first 
place :)

HTH. If not, feel free to clarify / ask again.

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Re: [python-uk] File information from Netware share on Windows

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[David Hughes]

| If anyone has access to Python on a Windows system with 
| shared Netware...

... not here, I'm afraid, but have you tried posting to
the main python list? You'd get a much wider audience there.

TJG


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[python-uk] Many apologies...

[Tim Golden]

My many apologies to the denizens of the
python-uk mailing list. I went on leave just
as my company changed name, and I didn't
realize they were going to send out an
irritating reply to any incoming emails.

I've unsubscribed from that address now,
so sorry again for blighting your New Year
with a rash of unsightly HTML mails!

TJG

(Now I've got to do the same for all
the *other* mailing lists I forgot to
suspend before going away for a week!)
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Re: [python-uk] PyCamp UK !

[Tim Golden]

> Now, I've got an idea for a venue in Manchester[*] which could probably
> cater to about 50-70 people depending on how the rooms are laid out which
> would work out to something like £15 - £20 *without* sponsorship. If we
> can get sponsorship then that figure would go down or could maybe be
> redirected into arranging food or similar ?
>
>[*] http://www.manchesterdda.com/article/83/
>
> As a result, I'm wondering - is anyone else interested in co-convening
> such a beast? If there is, please email me back!

I think it's a great idea, and I'd love to be involved,
practicalities and commitments permitting. For some reason
I always find the other conferences on offer just a little
to overwhelming and/or costly to get me out of my seat. The
idea of a cheap, self-organising conference sounds up my street.

TJG
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[python-uk] [OT] MU G&S (was: New user group)

[Tim Golden]

[Michael Sparks]
> I won't be there unfortunately because I'll
> be at a rehearsal - http://www.mugss.org/show/ .

Hey! Hope it goes well. If you look here:

http://www.mugss.org/history/1989/

You'll see my name down among the Chorus. It was
sort of accidental, because I'd been the orchestra
for Pirates the year before (http://www.mugss.org/history/1988/
but Orchestra don't get credited) but as orchestra you
don't get the atmosphere, so I went along to rehearsals
and ended up on stage before I realised!

(Slightly strangely, the guy playing Frederic there
also played the same role two years before at my
school, when I was in the orchestra as well).

Good luck with it when it comes; G&S is always fun.

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Re: [python-uk] Python evening talks in London

[Tim Golden]

Andy Robinson wrote:

> I've been talking to a friend who is discovering the joys of Python, and 
> is a committee member of the Institute of Engineering and Technology 
> (www.theiet.org)  He believes we could get rooms in their place, which 
> is next to the Savoy, to hold evening talks followed by networking over 
> a drink or two.  They have a distinguished location with rooms for 
> anything from 20 up to 200 and he believes it could cost little or 
> nothing to the visitors.
> 
> The general idea would be a talk on some Python-related subjects, 
> libraries or frameworks, about once a month, which can reach a wider 
> network of developers than usually turn up for the pub sessions.  People 
> would be encouraged to bring laptops (Wifi available) and try out 
> whatever's being talked about, so if they discovered a few useful 
> libraries for a task, they could put them to work next day; and 
> experience Pythonistas could advise newbies.
> 
> A proposal is needed to their committee by end of this month.  So,
> - who'd find something like this useful?
> - who'd like to give talks, and on what?
> - who'd like to hear talks, and on what?
> - who'd bring colleagues along?
> - any thoughts on format, target audience and so on

I think it's a great idea. My personal offering is of the
Python-useful-even-under-Windows variety, especially WMI I
suppose, and to some extent Python-useful-for-database-stuff
variety. (My bread-and-butter work is SQL analysis & development).

I'd listen to any talks which were going and I'd certainly try
to get my colleagues along. If I think of any good ideas for
format etc. I'll post them up.

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Re: [python-uk] Python evening talks in London

[Tim Golden]

Michael Foord wrote:
> Mike Pentney wrote:
>> Hi, Andy.
>>
>> I've been using Python off and on for about 18 months or so.
>> I'd be very interested in attending. I don't (unfortunately)
>> have any cutting edge applications to talk about yet, but I'm
>> always interested in learning what other people are doing.
>> My particular interests would be GUI frameworks, Python 3000,
>> applications of Python (especially engineering, scientific
>> and financial), and web frameworks. Plus of course it is
>> always good to meet other Python users.
>>
>> If the IET venue doesn't work out for any reason, the Institute
>> of Physics also have good facilities at 76 Portland Place. Probably
>> not free, but not too expensive either.
>>   
>  From a socialising point of view, the Python meetups that Simon 
> Brunning organises are fantastic. :-)

Very true, but if these talks take off I see them as a slightly
different format / style which may well suit some people better.
(And we can always go along to the pub afterwards!)

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Re: [python-uk] Python evening talks in London: Ten lines of code

[Tim Golden]

Michael Grazebrook wrote:
> Allow me a trip into fantasy land. I'd like to play with an idea for a 
> lecture of broad appeal suitable for the 11th, where we addresses a 
> wider audience of non-Python users. What do you think?
> 
> *Ten lines of code - Python's power*
> *Lecture by* ???, Michael Grazebrook, and ???
> *Date & Time*: 11th April 2007
> *Networking and refreshments* 17:30 - 18:30.
> *Lecture: *18:30 - 20:00
> *Networking and Wine reception *20:00 - 22:00
> *Cost: *Free
> *Venue:* The IET, Savoy Place, London, WC2R 0BL
> 
> Python is a superb language for the casual user. Yet it's also robust 
> enough to run business on. This talk is aimed at people who've never 
> used Python before, to show how to do simple but powerful things with 
> it. It's also about protecting the fish in Dad's pond.
> 
> This talk presents five small programs, each in less than ten lines of 
> code, which you could easily adapt:
> 
> * A program to grab (?the event calendar from the IET web-site? -
>   some web page) and put it into Excel
> * Driving some hardware from a simple USB-driven bread-board
> * A simple web server
> * A simple Windows user interface using WMI
> * Putting it together - a remote application with hardware to
>   protect dad's fish

I think it looks great. Needs a fair bit of cooperation
to make it happen, mind you!

> I've never used WMI 

Just in case (and it's mildly ambiguous from your
one-liner above): WMI is an API for monitoring and
to some extent controlling your Windows-based system,
*not* a user-interface-building toolset. Obviously,
you might have meant above: write a user interface
to some WMI stuff, but I read it as: use WMI to write
a user interface. If it's the former, I'm very happy
to think up some kind of way in which you can use
WMI to do *something* which we can build an interface
to. Don't know what, though!

If you're really after an interface builder, I know
from his blog that Michael Foord has done stuff with
IronPython and the .NET Windows Forms stuff, so maybe
he could step forward. (But I'll leave that up to him).

> I'm also thinking we might use it as a networking event to see what the 
> interest is like and put together more meaty proposals for more 
> specialised themes. Would you lot turn up even though the content isn't 
> advanced?

> My fear is that this rather trivial stuff would not attract you lot

I don't think you have anything to fear on this score. Obviously,
I can't speak for everyone, but my experience in person and on-line
is that Pythoneers are remarkably friendly people and are very
happy to show just how useful Python is for all things great
and small. Speaking for myself here I'd be delighted to take
part if my area of usefulness is useful, and delighted to just
come along and cheer and participate and answer questions if
it's not.

I'll pause for a few hours after sending this (it's 8.30pm
on Saturday evening now). I don't know if anyone's got back
to you privately. If so, perhaps you might publish a summary
of where things are at.

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Re: [python-uk] Python evening talks in London: Ten lines of code

[Tim Golden]

Pete Ryland wrote:
> Funnily enough, my company's business revolves around a "discovery
> engine" which is entirely written in python.  It uses wmi, ssh, snmp
> and other technologies to find and gather information from customers'
> server estates.  We use omniORB (it's developer works for us),
> BerkeleyDB, and a whole host of other technologies.  Perhaps I could
> get some of our engineers to present some talks too.  I'm sure one of
> them can explain wmi too!

I think I must have met you or one of your colleagues
at one of the London Python meetups some months ago,
at the Bank of England place. (And, I think, had
some email correspondence with someone as well). Glad
to hear that WMI is getting used out there, although
ironically I hardly use it myself these days! (Out of
interest, do you use my module or have you rolled your
own?)

But this is not going to buy the baby a new hat (to
coin a phrase). Michael G: has anyone come forward
privately with definite offers of help? We obviously
have to get this moving if we're going to fit into
this cancellation. Has anyone come forward either
to flesh out your spec. or to offer an alternative?

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Re: [python-uk] Python evening talks in London: Ten lines of code

[Tim Golden]

Michael Grazebrook wrote:
> @Tim
> Nobody has volunteered off-line. I reckon you volunteered! Thanks. I'm going 
> to 
> try to persuade Andy Robinson to do 10 minutes if I can, but he's on holiday 
> this week. 
> 
> The proposal I'm making is so basic (in Python terms) that if the worst came 
> to 
> the worst I could do it myself, despite my inexperience. But that would 
> rather 
> waste the opportunity. I'm comfortable with 3 speakers, max 5 but that's 
> harder 
> to coordinate. My current contract ends on 2nd April so I'll have more 
> flexibility in my time to prepare.
> 
> The concept for this first lecture is several tiny programmes. They don't 
> have 
> to be those I proposed. It had crossed my mind that a potential future 
> speaker 
> might present a 10 line demo and use it as a sales pitch for a later lecture 
> or 
> tutorial.
> 
> Tim, you're absolutely right that WMI isn't what I thought it is. I've only 
> used 
> the TK package (old habits) and want to do better! Would you like to meet up 
> or 
> 'phone?

Suggest a meetup (since we're both in West London).
I've sent you my details off-list. Feel free to text
or email to arrange times etc. Can't do this evening
(19th) or this Thursday, but other than that just
suggest something.

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Re: [python-uk] [Fwd: FW: [lymc] FW: IET Professional Registration Workshops]

[Tim Golden]

Michael Grazebrook wrote:
> Green light for us giving a Python lecture - 
 > and possibly more - at the IET.

Great news, Mr Grazebrook. I couldn't actually find
any meaningful attachments in your email (despite ploughing
through the 3 levels of nested attachments which Thunderbird
offered me!) so either it was *just* the green light, or
you're going to have to send a separate plain email with
dates / times etc. if they're available.

For those who haven't followed the plot so far, a very
brief summary: Michael Grazebrook, Pete Ryland and I went
to the IET (http://www.theiet.org/) a few weeks back to
suss the place out and talk to their London organizer.

The idea mooted was an introductory Python session there
at one of their evenings (probably in parallel with
something else which would basically pay for the use of
the place). Depending on the take-up for that, there's
scope for possible workshops, more talks etc.

It's a fantastic building, one of those impressive
things along the Embankment, next to Waterloo Bridge,
and has loads of space for event formal and informal.
Don't know yet what kind of arrangement might be made,
but at the very least I'd like to see this as the first
of some more structured London Python meetups maybe with
demos, guest-speakers, etc., firmly allied to the
informal London Python drinkups :)

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Re: [python-uk] Python Developers wanted, Troon Scotland

[Tim Golden]

David Irvine wrote:
> Hi - sorry f this is out of order but I am fed up with recruitment
> agencies and would like to pay 100% of what we pay to developers or
> companies if at all possible - it makes more sense.
> 
> We are an R&D company based in Troon and are looking fro python
> developers to work on a p2p application. If you are or know of anyone
> please get in touch with me.

Would you care to make public any more details? Is the
work perm or contract? Is it based in Troon? Any particular
technologies or other requirements? Just in order for people
to do an initial filter...

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[python-uk] ann: Python at the IET

[Tim Golden]

If you're in London around 6.30pm this Thursday evening, July 5th 2007, you 
might want to drop in on The Institution of 
Engineering and Technology [1] on the Embankment near Waterloo Bridge [2] for 
"A Light byte of Python" [3]. Michael 
Grazebrook, Pete Ryland and I are flying the Python flag for the benefit of 
technologists who have not yet had the 
pleasure. Michael will be using ctypes to control a USB-interfaced sensor kit; 
Pete will be demoing user interfaces; 
I'll be using BeautifulSoup and sqlite3 to populate a database from a web page 
and (time permitting) using csv and 
ReportLab to push it back out again.

We're presenting the thing as a bring-a-laptop workshop, and it would be great 
if we had experienced Pythoneers along to 
  help afterwards (in addition to ourselves). The take-up's been quite high for 
the event and there's tea & coffee 
beforehand and sandwiches afterwards.

Tim Golden

[1] http://www.theiet.org/
[2] 
http://www.iee.org/OnComms/Branches/UK/england/SEastE/london/Venues/savoy.cfm
[3] http://www.iee.org/OnComms/Branches/UK/england/SEastE/london/Events/july.cfm

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Re: [python-uk] ann: Python at the IET

[Tim Golden]

Pierre DeWet wrote:
> Sounds cool.
> Registration is closed for this,though. Is it still worth turning up
> and hoping for the best? :)

I believe so. They don't expect everyone to turn up who's
registered. The last time I was there I didn't register
beforehand; just turned up on the night and there wasn't
a problem.

TJG

>  
> Pierre
> 
>>>> On 02/07/2007 at 10:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> If you're in London around 6.30pm this Thursday evening, July 5th 2007,
> you might want to drop in on The Institution of 
> Engineering and Technology [1] on the Embankment near Waterloo Bridge
> [2] for "A Light byte of Python" [3]. Michael 
> Grazebrook, Pete Ryland and I are flying the Python flag for the
> benefit of technologists who have not yet had the 
> pleasure. Michael will be using ctypes to control a USB-interfaced
> sensor kit; Pete will be demoing user interfaces; 
> I'll be using BeautifulSoup and sqlite3 to populate a database from a
> web page and (time permitting) using csv and 
> ReportLab to push it back out again.
> 
> We're presenting the thing as a bring-a-laptop workshop, and it would
> be great if we had experienced Pythoneers along to 
>   help afterwards (in addition to ourselves). The take-up's been quite
> high for the event and there's tea & coffee 
> beforehand and sandwiches afterwards.
> 
> Tim Golden
> 
> [1] http://www.theiet.org/
> [2]
> http://www.iee.org/OnComms/Branches/UK/england/SEastE/london/Venues/savoy.cfm
> [3]
> http://www.iee.org/OnComms/Branches/UK/england/SEastE/london/Events/july.cfm
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Re: [python-uk] ann: Python at the IET

[Tim Golden]

Anand Kumria wrote:

[... snip Python IET details ...]

> Cool! I expect to see you there.
> 
> Apart from looking for other people with laptop, do we need to pre-
> register our attendence or anything?

Well, really, yes. But the thing's been so popular that
registration was closed the last time I looked. If you
want to take your chances, you can probably just turn up
at the door and see if there's space in the lecture hall.
(Assuming that not everyone who books actually turns up).

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Re: [python-uk] ann: Python at the IET

[Tim Golden]

Michael Foord wrote:
> Thanks to you, Pete and Tim for organising the talk. It was *great* to 
> see so many people attend  -  a very pleasant surprise.

I think we were all surprised as well! (A pleasant sort of
surprise, but see below). Thanks to
you and any other UK Pythoneers who made it as well.

Michael G's actually been the one negotiating with the
IET people over what might or might not happen, so what
I'm saying here about that is informed hearsay.

The overall point is we had an original vision (or at
least Michael did, which we bought into) of a smallish
workshop running in parallel with a larger event which
the IET were going to host anyway. We were simply going
to run a small group event with the IET's blessing, taking
advantage of the fact that the facilities were available.

We were originally told that we could have up to
30 people (in the Thomson Room, I think) and I
suppose we all worked things up on that basis: an
informal workshop-style event where we could each
have a script, but develop based on people's
questions and limitations.

Close to the date, we learnt that the registration had
maxed out at 185, and that we would be the sole event,
not running in parallel. I think this threw us slightly,
and our mistake was in not getting our heads together
and talking through with the IET as to how best to make
it work - we were still hoping for the workshop feel.

As you discovered (at the same time as us) it didn't
really work out that way. Personally, I think
it was great to have such an audience, I think they
by-and-large appreciated some of what we had to say,
and at the very worst we'd have been no worse than any
other IET lecture where you can't please all the people...

All this is perhaps an overanalysis but perhaps it might
be of use to anyone else thinking on similar lines in the
future. personally I think one real plus point was that
180+ people were prepared to give it a go. I don't know
if the IET will be sympathetic to further Python events,
but this one wasn't a failure.

> I think that for the audience a complete novices introduction might have 
> been helpful. 

I agree with this (and your suggested points are realistic).
Really, between Peter, Michael & myself, we let things happen
a bit too much rather than making them happen.

> Three 20 minute sessions as the first one would work well. 

I think it's good to keep things tight. As you saw, I had
to keep things even tighter, but I had known I'd be the last
on and I was prepared to push things through. If we get the
chance again, I'd push for the same kind of setup I think.
(Including IronPython/Silverlight if so be as your're
still willing).

> The workshop style session afterwards didn't seem to 
 > happen. [...] I think people need some degree of organisation.

Again, I think this was partly our failing to react to the
switch from "30 in a room" to "150 in a lecture hall" in
time to organise things.

Thanks for commenting. Personally, even if the IET don't
take us up, I'd be very keen to find a spot perhaps in
people's offices afterhours to have short presentations
before adjourning to the pub. We'll wait to see what comes
back from Savoy Place, but if anyone knows that they might
be in a position to host an occasional get-together, let
us know.

Thanks
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Re: [python-uk] python-uk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 5

[Tim Golden]

Otu Ekanem wrote:
> 
> * A case study of Python in a particular industry or a particular
> application
> 
> 
> Not sure whom to speak to directly, but if this does happen -
> I 'd love to volunteer a short session on python's use in the 
> telecommunications industry.
> 
> I 'd appreciate it if someone could point me at the right person to 
> speak to.

I think that, for the moment, that right person would be
me. (Not least because I'd hate to see such an offer go
unanswered). My plan is to wait to hear from Michael as
to whether we're likely to get any leverage at the IET and,
if or if not, what we do next. At that point, I'd propose
a rough schedule of meetups. Until then, though, please
make any offers on this list -- or to me personally if
you wish -- and we'll keep the thing open.

I hope it may come to something; the more evident interest
and support there is, the more likely it will happen.

I hope to be at PyConUK in September so if anything seems
likely to get underway by way of a London talks series we
can touch base there.

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Re: [python-uk] London Python meetup, Wednesday, October the 10th

[Tim Golden]

> ThoughtWorks UK (my employer) have given us the use of a room this
> time, so I'm looking for volunteer speakers, too.

I'm in. Happy to give a talk, too. (WMI, active directory, win32 sort of
stuff).

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Re: [python-uk] [pyconuk] London Python meetup, Wednesday, October the 10th

[Tim Golden]

Simon Brunning wrote:
> On 9/18/07, Simon Brunning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> ThoughtWorks UK (my employer) have given us the use of a room this
>> time, so I'm looking for volunteer speakers, too.
>>
>> Details here: 
>> <http://announce.londonpython.org.uk/2007/09/18/london-python-meetup-wednesday-october-the-10th/>.
> 
> Just a reminder - the London Python meetup is on for tomorrow evening.
> I have Tim Golden down to tell us about WMI, Andy Robinson to talk
> about "personalised publishing" using Django, plus quickies from Giles
> Thomas on Resolver and Chris Miles on PSI.
> 
> If you are planning on coming, please leave a comment - I need to get
> numbers for pizza. ;-)

Since we're going to your office first rather than to the pub,
what's the protocol for getting in? (Or is that not really an
issue?)

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Re: [python-uk] Cambridge and East Anglian Python Users Group

[Tim Golden]

Alexander Harrowell wrote:
> Anyone in the Heathrow/Thames Valley/West London pythosphere?

Well, I'm based in Ealing. But I usually go to the (central) London
meetups, as I work in Camden Town. Whereabouts are you?

TJG

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Re: [python-uk] Where is a Python program running?

[Tim Golden]

Jeremy Nicoll - pyuk wrote:
> Under Windows XP, I could have a program running under python.exe or
> pythonw.exe or under IDLE.  How can I test within a python program which of
> these situations apply?  

(As a starter, you're better off asking this on the main Python
list; this is Python-UK which is quite low-volume and mostly used
for meetups etc. That said, here goes...)

I'm not sure if there's anything absolutely foolproof / x-platform.
A couple of starting points, though: the value of sys.executable
and the value of sys.stdout.

Try this program (which uses the pywin32 extensions):


import os, sys
import win32api

win32api.MessageBox (0, "%s\n%s" % (sys.executable, repr (sys.stdout)))


Save it as showme.py (or whatever) and run it under the different
environments you're considering. It gives enough to apply some sort
of metric, but it's hardly foolproof. As I say, ask the question on
the main Python list where there are more and smarter minds than mine.

I'm using the MessageBox functionality simple to get something showing
on-screen. Obviously this won't work x-platform, so you'd need to write
out to a file or use the logging module or something.

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Re: [python-uk] What else is running on my machine?

[Tim Golden]

[as per other answer: ask on main python list]

Jeremy Nicoll - pyuk wrote:
> Is there a cross-platform of determining what other processes (or in Windows
> terms, other applications) are running?

> Is it possible in a cross-platform way to ask some other application to shut
> down, wait a while, and then test to see if it did shut?

Pretty much "no" to both questions *cross-platform*. But I'm fairly
sure that all platforms offer something specific, and there's nothing
to stop you wrapping that up in a module with conditional imports
or judicious use of the platform module or whatever.

See the various list archives for Windows answers to this, at least.
(Check comp.lang.python & python-win32). Not sure about Linux/OSX
but again c.l.py is a good start.

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Re: [python-uk] Anyone alive

[Tim Golden]

andy wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> At the risk of being flamed, I just wanted to see if this list was still 
> active. I've been a subscriber for a few days now and there have been no 
> posts.

This list tends to be used for meetup or job postings (ie things
which are specific to the UK). Every so often there's a burst of
other activity, but I think most people subscribe to the main
Python mailing list / newsgroup ([EMAIL PROTECTED] or
comp.lang.python).

Feel free to post here or there with questions etc. And have
a look at the PyConUK Groups page, which seems to have become
the de facto starting point for UK-based Python groups

http://www.pyconuk.org/community/PythonGroups

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Re: [python-uk] Python Development jobs

[Tim Golden]

James Stevens wrote:
> Dear Sirs/ Madam

I'm not sure if this is a subtle reference to the
apparent ratio of male:female participants on technical
mailing lists ;)

TJG

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Re: [python-uk] invalid syntax

[Tim Golden]

[You'll get a better audience on the main Python list. This list is mostly used 
for UK-specific stuff like meetups, job openings etc.]

suhail shaik wrote:

hi ...

##
#!/usr/bin/python
#Globals here
ROOTDIR = "/home/qmss2/Desktop/sbd/hive2_ffmpegsvn/" # Root dir where ts 
files are located (or recorded)

PNAME = "/data/test/"
#DAILY_UPLOAD_PATH = "/mmis-ss9952/newsroom/du-dev/"

import os,glob
### MAIN ###
os.chdir(ROOTDIR)
os.mkdir("kf")
os.chdir(PNAME)
for fileName in glob.glob('*.mpg'):
print filename
   
file = fileName.split(".")

print file
os.chdir(ROOTDIR+"/kf")
os.mkdir(file)
command = "./hive2 -k kf/"+file+"/ -o "+file+".xml /data/test/"+fileName
print command
os.system(command)

#

i get the following error...

File "/home/qmss2/Desktop/sbd/mpg.py", line 13, in 
print filename
NameError: name 'filename' is not defined



Python is a case-sensitive language. You can' say "for fileName in..."
in one line and then refer to "filename" in the next.

Even apart from the other problems you're going to have when you
realise that file is a list (and that you're shadowing a builtin name).

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Re: [python-uk] invalid syntax

[Tim Golden]

Tim Golden wrote:

Python is a case-sensitive language. You can' say "for fileName in..."
in one line and then refer to "filename" in the next.


Ooops. You *can't* say "for fileName in..." in one line
and "filename" in the next.

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Re: [python-uk] automate logging

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leo davis wrote:
I'm trying to write a code to automate logging into a website.I have 
chosen the forum 'www.tek-tips.com' as an example and tried this script 
on itBut it doesnt seem to work...What am i missing here..plz help


You'll get more help by posting to the main Python
groups[1]. But you're very unlikely to get helpful
responses on any group unless you say something
more than "it doesn't seem to work". What doesn't
work? Is there a syntax error? Does it hang? Is
there a traceback? If so: dump it into the email.
Does it crash your system?

TJG

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Re: [python-uk] Python project layout?

[Tim Golden]

Alec Muffett wrote:

Hi folks,


Hi, welcome to Python. Be aware that this list (python-uk)
is very low volume, and tends to be used for announcements
of UK Python meetups, conferences, jobs and the like. Nothing
wrong with posting technical questions here, but you might
be better off on the main Python list:

 http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

As to your actual question re project layout, I myself
don't have any strong feelings, and I haven't seen
anything very authoritative noised about, either. 


The __init__.py file *is* in fact a part of the "syntax",
so to speak, of Python: it indicates that the directory
containing it is to be treated as a Python package:

 http://docs.python.org/tutorial/modules.html#packages

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Re: [python-uk] 2nd London Python Dojo - 18:30 15 October 2009 at Fry-IT

[Tim Golden]

Nicholas Tollervey wrote:
Just out of interest, what helpful features over and above the regular  
python shell does ipython/bpython provide, and how will this enhance  
the Dojo..?


If I'm right, they both offer basically a reworked Python interpreter
with lots of bells and whistles. But the bells & whistles are optional,
so there's a very shallow learning curve but the opportunity to see
how the extra features might be useful.

bpython doesn't work on Windows and iPython has never quite clicked
with me in spite of a few goes, but I'm at least +0.5 on having them
available for people who know/like them or at least think they might
benefit.

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Re: [python-uk] Reminder: London Python Code Dojo Tomorrow

[Tim Golden]

Nicholas Tollervey wrote:
I can't do Wednesdays (I'm playing in an orchestra). Tuesday/Thursday  
alternations are good for me.


Likewise, as it happens (without the bit about the orchestra,
something I haven't done for more than 20 years). But I imagine
everyone's going to have a problem with some day.

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Re: [python-uk] Dojo mojo...

[Tim Golden]

Nicholas Tollervey wrote:
[...] My  
personal impression of people's views was that there is a pent up  
desire for all these sorts of activities to take place in the Python  
community in London.


I agree, and I'd actually go so far as to produce a calendar
in advance for the next year to show some sort of commitment:
I suggest cycling round the first Tue, Wed, Thu of each month
and creating a Google Calendar or some equivalent thing. Or
at least, blogging a list of dates!

Then all we have to do is decide how to fill in the gaps!



We all agreed that each talk should be time bound - perhaps something  
like the Ignite 20slides/15seconds/5mins rule (http://lesposen.wordpress.com/2009/03/09/ignite/ 
) or perhaps we could agree a time-limit of 10 mins (as with the pair  
programming) followed by 5 mins of questions before the next speaker?


I'm actually quite keen on the idea of having a few speakers in
quick succession with a sort of questions-panel at the end. (I
forget who mentioned that idea: Peter?) But I'm happy with anything.

Fry-IT have agreed to let us use their offices and are prepared to  
provide the pizza/beer again. :-)


And thanks very much to them!

[blogged about over there -> http://ramblings.timgolden.me.uk/]

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Re: [python-uk] Code Dojo

[Tim Golden]

On 08/01/2010 16:16, Nicholas Tollervey wrote:

Last night's dojo was a lot of fun: we worked in small teams
on the beginnings of a text-based adventure game.


Looks like fun: v. sorry I couldn't make it; just got
back this pm from a week in Cheshire. Definitely up
for the next one.

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Re: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination

[Tim Golden]

On 02/08/2010 09:16, Nicholas Tollervey wrote:

During Europython a group of us who organise various Python related user groups 
within the UK went for a drink. Here's what we talked about:

* We should organise an IRC chat sometime in August to coordinate ourselves.
* Since we're spread rather thin on the ground it'd be good to coordinate a central 
"Python-UK" page for user groups / events that could contain a google-calendar, 
tweet-stream and links etc... (KISS)
* We might be able to support the costs of running the site by having a very 
simple job-board for UK related Python jobs (er... 37signals ask for $400 for 
30 days of advert for Ruby jobs - someone asked me to find out the figures)
* It'd be great if there were more coordination between groups so they might be 
able to swap speakers, cooperate at events or organise activities together.
* Some sort of python-hacker-barn-weekend event sounds cool.
* The PSF might be persuaded to contribute some money for stuff.
* We should try to make better use of the python-uk mailing list (hence this 
message) :-)


I'm all for it. At the very least we could create a page on the Python
Wiki. (I'm not a great fan of Wikis, but it is there...).

There's also Planet London Python -- http://londonpython.org.uk/ --
which I *think* Simon Brunning has the keys to. Don't know if he
still watches this list so I'm copying him on this email.

Don't know exactly what would work in practice, but it'll do no
harm to try for a bit of uk-centric cooperation and see what
comes of it.

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Re: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination

[Tim Golden]

On 02/08/2010 13:43, Rob Cowie wrote:


On 2 Aug 2010, at 09:16, Nicholas Tollervey wrote:


Folks,

During Europython a group of us who organise various Python related user groups 
within the UK went for a drink. Here's what we talked about:



Sounds like a cracking idea. I've just moved from London to Leeds and although 
there are plenty of geekery-related events and meet ups, there isn't a python 
users group. I refuse to believe I'm the only one here


There was someone at EuroPython from (I think) the University of Leeds where
they teach Python. I'll try to get hold of the name if I can... 

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Re: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination

[Tim Golden]

Deliberate top-post just to say: Thanks

TJG

On 04/08/2010 12:27, Zeth wrote:

Hello everyone,

Originally I was starting with just the people that turned up to the
local user group SIG at EuroPython. However, since Nicholas has outed
us, here is an outline of where we are. Basically, we are talking
among people who want to be actually be an organiser of a local Python
User Group (PUG).

I organised a slot in the EuroPython programme which was attended by
people from around the world, not just the UK. Everyone talked about
their group or their wish for a group and we all shared what we had
been trying to do. Afterwards a group of UK people moved to the
weatherspoons. I was going to feedback the main points at the closing
ceremony but there was confusion with the lightning talks organiser
who overran by an hour and 20 mins and so the closing ceremony went a
bit mental. The lightning talks were very good though!

Python local user groups in the UK


The 2006 idea was to make 11 UK PUGs - at least one for each English
region plus Wales and Scotland. (Northern Ireland is both part of
Python Ireland and the PyConUK so we would let those in Northern
Ireland work out how they want to do it).

As things get more successful, each of the 11 group can have branches
or more local meetings, so for example. We start with:

Cambridge and East Anglia Python User Group

Then the first branch might meet in Cambridge and another might start
up in Norwich. Various branches could grow up and die off with the 12
group middle layer staying alive. Different branches could have
different levels of organisation. Cambridge might have a fully fledged
technical meet, while in Lowestoft they might just have a beer and an
ice-cream together on the pier (are there any Python Programmers in
Lowestoft?).

At the 2010 SIG, people seemed to agree that this was still a good idea.

Talk Swaps
--

One idea from the SIG meeting was to prepare a new talk for your own
PUG, then give that talk at other PUGs. This could help seed new PUGs,
and help keep existing ones going. We tried to work out the
practicality of that.

We talked about how to reduce the costs before we incur them. We can
feed speakers ourselves. If the trip requires staying overnight, we
can sleep in each other's houses. However, travel by second class
train or coach could still be £50 or more.

Most PUGs would not hold any money as a deliberate way to avoid
creating a bureaucratic overhead to running the group. So we thought
about asking the PSF, or the EuroPython Society, or the proposed new
European PSF branch, to handle the expenses for us. If we raise any
money ourselves we could pay it upstream to cover these costs.

One suggestion was to have a jobs board to cover these costs.
Discussion has already started on this thread about that. Where
Nicholas wrote "We might be able to support the costs of running the
site", the speaker swaps are the only thing that we have suggested to
do that could cost money. The site itself does not cost us any money
at the moment, since Clocksoft generously allow us to put the site on
one of their servers.

If anyone has any other ideas for how to cover these traveling
expenses, please do share them.

Local User Group SIG IRC Meeting - 19th August at 7.30pm
--

This is the first time I have used doodle, so I am not an expert. But
I think I have to myself add email addresses to it, I can't seem to
find an option for making it completely open. If someone can tell me
how, that would be helpful for next time.

Anyway this time, lets forget adding more people to doodle and just go
for 19th August at 7.30pm (as long as it does not clash with a local
Python group!). The meeting will last approx 1 hour and I will
circulate an agenda nearer the time.

The meeting is for people who are involved in helping to organise a
local user group or want to be.

After that meeting, if we want we can use ways to discuss among
ourselves without making too much noise on python-uk (e.g. people that
run Linux groups use the lugmasters list to cut down on noise for
people that don't care and just find those discussions annoying).
However, this email list is pretty low-traffic anyway, so we can use
it until other subscribers on this list rise up and tell us off for
making too much noise.

Website
--

I want to get beyond talking about websites since there is a lot more
important things to running a local user group than the website, but
here is an outline of what we are up to.

I did the first version of python.me.uk during PyConUK 2007 and many
people gave lots of different ideas, all useful and positive, although
obviously in different directions.

While some people say, 'just use a mailing list' or 'just use meetup'
or 'just use X', I decided that this was not a good approach. As well
as being fragmentary, as proved by Rob Cowie's posts in this thread,
he did not 

Re: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination

[Tim Golden]

On 04/08/2010 14:05, Zeth wrote:

On 4 August 2010 12:41, Nicholas Tollervey  wrote:

I'm with Tim: +1 many thanks to Zeth for this (and apologies for outing
us ;-)


No problem, shall we do the 17th instead then?


Unless I missed it, you didn't actually give an IRC channel.

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Re: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination

[Tim Golden]

On 04/08/2010 14:37, Zeth wrote:

We can hijack europython @ irc.freenode.net

I have gone against my own argument by using a medium that people may
not understand, so here is the explanation:

IRC stands for internet relay chat. It is a text-based real time
protocol from the 1980s and 1990s, and still popular today. You need
an IRC client.


I usually use freenode's own web-based client at:

  http://webchat.freenode.net

which is very usable for everyday IRC use. No need to install any
clients or plugins. I haven't tried doing any of the fancier stuff
in it, but frankly I've never felt the need.

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Re: [python-uk] Pyssup and oh-dear....

[Tim Golden]

On 23/08/2010 10:08, Nicholas Tollervey wrote:

2. Wasn't there supposed to be an IRC meeting on the evening of the
17th (which in the end I couldn't get to since I was in a car full of
kids screaming "are we there yet?" at the time)? Many apologies for
not making it. If it did take place, is there a transcript or log
file we could see..? What decisions were made..? What actions are
taking place..?


I'd like to know the same thing, since I -- for some reason I can't
begin to fathom -- had it down in my diary for the 19th. I duly
dashed to the #europython channel at 7.30pm, only to find it a
howling and empty wilderness. (At which point I checked my emails
and discovered my error...)

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Re: [python-uk] processing input from multiple files

[Tim Golden]

On 14/10/2010 10:34, Christopher Steele wrote:

I've been trying to decode a series of observations from multiple files
(each file is a different time) and put each type of observation into their
own separate file. The script runs successfully for one file but whenever I
try it for more they just overwrite each other. I'm new to python and I'm
not sure how to go about efficiently running through the process once and
then appending to the output file for all other input files. Has anyone done
something similar to this before?


Hi, Chris, welcome to Python. A couple of things. This is a relatively
low-traffic list, and gets used mostly for local events and jobs. You're
welcome to post Python questions here but you'll get a broader readership
(and more chance of an answer) from the main Python list:

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

  or, since you're new to the language, the tutor list:

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor


Secondly, it's best to post up some code you've already written so people
can get a better idea of the direction you're taking. Your description
above is a little ambiguous, and code can speak louder than words..

It doesn't sound hard to do what you seem to be describing, but let's
see what you've got so far :)

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[python-uk] 6 month Django contract

[Tim Golden]

A friend of mine has told me of a project manager looking
for a 6-month Django contract. I assume it's London-based.

If anyone's interested, drop me a line and I'll give you
an email address to contact and my friend's name to use
as a reference.

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Re: [python-uk] London Python Roles

[Tim Golden]

On 13/12/2010 7:27 PM, John Pinner wrote:

On 13 December 2010 16:31, Alec Battles  wrote:


Am I the only one who considers this a bit spammy?



No ;-)

On some other lists to which I subscribe, agencies are regarded as the
lowest of the low and are banned.


I'm genuinely surprised by this reaction which comes up
even more forcefully on the main Python lists. It seems
like a reasonable use of a (technically and geographically)
focused mailing list. You might not like job agencies, but
there doesn't seem to be anything intrinsically wrong with
them.

Am I missing something? Is some kind of Linux-culture thing
which doesn't spill over...?

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Re: [python-uk] Tell us what you did with Python this year....

[Tim Golden]

On 20/12/2010 16:08, Alec Battles wrote:

Unicode
interoperability is a pain, though, and I find it depressing to work
with in Python2.x, because it never seems to behave predictably. I
still have no idea why tokenizing Hungarian text and tokenizing German
text are not fundamentally the same operation


I have no idea why they're not:


import codecs

with codecs.open ("german.txt", "rb", encoding="utf8") as f:
  german_text = f.read ()

with codecs.open ("hungarian.txt", "rb", encoding="utf8") as f:
  hungarian_text = f.read ()

# do_stuff_with (german_text)
# do_stuff_with (hungarian_text)



Of course, I'm assuming that you know what encoding has been
used to serialise the text, but if you don't then it's not
Python's fault ;)

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Re: [python-uk] Tell us what you did with Python this year....

[Tim Golden]

Bit of this year and last...

We have a 3rd-party COTS Helpdesk system with a woeful desktop
interface and a naive [and that's being charitable] email ingest
mechanism. All the data's stored in a SQL Server and is fairly
clearly two different apps bolted together...

A few years ago I knocked up a simple cherrypy web interface for
it, mostly to avoid my having to use the egregious supplied UI.

Then about 18 months ago I got so annoyed at the email ingest
that I ran up an alternative as a proof of concept. At the
same time I added an email alerting mechanism which sends out
lightly-formatted emails on call updates.

Now, several editions (and additions) later, the email ingest
and alert mechanisms are easily the most used way to communicate
with the IT Helpdesk. We encourage users to "communicate through
the call" since it leaves the conversation trail visible to anyone
who needs to look; it handles attachments such as screenshots of
corrupts docs and is very easy to use. At the same time, the users
see the assignments and Support activity so there's much greater
transparency than before.

A number of the ideas are certainly inspired by the concepts
in Roundup (and possibly in other issue trackers) although I've
never looked at the code there, and the concepts are similar,
not identical.

Key features:

* Email ingest adequately determines the correct "conversation"
to link to, handles embedded or linked attachments, and does
a fairly good job of stripping out "noise".

* Some actions can be handled entirely by email such as reassignment,
status change, etc. although this isn't widely used.

* Email alerting notifies on call creation, closure, update
and a few specific status changes; includes attachment links
and does some header munging so the originator appears to be
the updater but the reply goes to the Helpdesk.

* "Nosy" list concept akin to Roundup's where several people
will receive call updates (even a distribution list...)

* Master / child call -- this is quite recent and we're still
playing with it, but basically a tree of calls can be closed
together and the upper ones show the lower updates. The key
requirement here is a split-assignment, such as when a new
Blackberry is requested and the ordering is handled through
the Facilities team while IT do the commissioning.


Key tools / libraries:

* Web interface: cherrypy, hand-crafted SQL, messy string-based
HTML with %-formatting. [Not proud of this part; it's in real
need of refactoring]

* Email ingest: Exchange emapi, regular expressions for stripping
out noise

* Email alerts: smtplib, AD, jinja2 for formatted emails, regexes
again for message manipulation


Future ideas:

* Alarms: eg allowing a call to "sleep" for an agreed period, to be
picked up later; notifying when SLA milestones are passed etc.


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Re: [python-uk] Next week in London: Informal python pub meetup with YouGov

[Tim Golden]

Are you going to be wearing a Red Carnation? Or sporting a handlebar 
moustache? Or otherwise recognisable? :)


TJG

On 10/05/2011 17:07, Brent Tubbs wrote:

The votes are in.  Let's meet at 7PM Thursday the Hoxton Grill Bar:

81 Great Eastern St,
EC2A 3HN

http://maps.google.com/maps/place?cid=11204154410702770905&q=hoxton+bar+and+grill&hl=en&sll=51.526404,-0.082204&sspn=0.006295,0.006295&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=14

Looking forward to meeting you guys,
Brent

From: python-uk-bounces+brent.tubbs=yougov@python.org 
[python-uk-bounces+brent.tubbs=yougov@python.org] On Behalf Of Brent Tubbs 
[brent.tu...@yougov.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 5:50 AM
To: nt...@ntoll.org; UK Python Users
Subject: Re: [python-uk] Next week in London: Informal python pub meetup with 
YouGov

Yeah the system dumps you out at our main panel site at the end.  You can 
ignore that.  Sorry about the confusion.

Thanks for doing the survey though :)

Brent

From: python-uk-bounces+brent.tubbs=yougov@python.org 
[python-uk-bounces+brent.tubbs=yougov@python.org] On Behalf Of Nicholas 
Tollervey [nt...@ntoll.org]
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 3:50 AM
To: UK Python Users
Subject: Re: [python-uk] Next week in London: Informal python pub meetup with 
YouGov

I wondered about that but thought it might just be the default landing
page for the end of the process (that also happens to have a login box).

On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 11:38 +0100, Jonathan Hartley wrote:

It asks me for an email / password at the end of the survey, and I don't
know what to use.

Am I being dumb?


On 10/05/2011 11:15, Brent Tubbs wrote:

We're doing this!  We'll meet up Thursday night, 7pm, near the YouGov office.  
Follow the Very Official YouGov Survey link below to let us know if you're 
coming and to let us know which pub near the YouGov offices you prefer.

https://start.yougov.com/refer/vLZrkGm8CPkCZR

See you Thursday,
Brent


From: python-uk-bounces+brent.tubbs=yougov@python.org 
[python-uk-bounces+brent.tubbs=yougov@python.org] On Behalf Of Nicholas 
Tollervey [nt...@ntoll.org]
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 1:20 AM
To: UK Python Users
Cc: Michel Floyd; Allan Crooks; Andy Kilner; Berry Phillips
Subject: Re: [python-uk] Next week in London: Informal python pub meetup with 
YouGov

Hi Brent,

Sounds like a plan. Thursday evenings are good for me. There used to be
an occasional London Pyssup organised by Andy Kilner (who I've also
cc'd). He might be able to suggest pubs. Andy..?

All the best,

Nicholas.

On Sat, 2011-05-07 at 01:56 +0200, Brent Tubbs wrote:

Hello Python UK!


I'm a Python dev for YouGov, working from the Palo Alto (California)
office.  Our CTO and I will be in London next week and are interested
in meeting up with some local Python users for a drink.


I'm just writing to gauge interest right now.  If people seem keen
then we'll find a good place and follow up here with more details.


Looking forward to meeting you,
Brent


-

Brent Tubbs



YouGovPolimetrix

285 Hamilton Avenue
Suite #200

Palo Alto, CA 94301

brent.tu...@yougov.com

http://www.yougov.com/





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Re: [python-uk] Python role

[Tim Golden]

On 17/05/2011 16:05, René Dudfield wrote:

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Giles Thomas
mailto:giles.tho...@resolversystems.com>> wrote:

That reminds me, I remember there was discussion on the list a while
back about whether it was OK to post job ads on this list.  What was
the outcome?  IIRC no consensus was ever reached, but I could well
have missed something.


Cheers,

Giles


I don't think it's possible to reach a consensus on that.

However the mailing list description still reads: "This list is to help
UK Python users to form a community, arrange events, /advertise help or
jobs wanted or sought/ and generally chat."


One of the moderators (Andy R?) suggested that he would keep an
eye on posts and would be willing to moderate in the face of
apparent abuse of the list.

With Rene, I see no issue with focused UK Python jobs on this list.

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Re: [python-uk] Dojo at PyconUK

[Tim Golden]

On 09/09/2011 12:04, Nicholas Tollervey wrote:

Here's one from me to kick things off:

Roman Numeral Calculator - e.g. XI - III = IIX (Apparently, it's not
as easy as you'd think. Parsing / converting between Roman numerals /
numeric values apparently has some interesting "weird" rules to take
into account). :-)


For those who haven't been involved, Nicholas has been trying to
get us to vote for this Roman Numeral Converter pretty much every
London Python Dojo for the last two years :)

Maybe Coventry will be his lucky place?

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Re: [python-uk] Dojo at PyconUK

[Tim Golden]

On 09/09/2011 13:23, John Pinner wrote:

On 9 September 2011 13:02, Tim Golden  wrote:

Maybe Coventry will be his lucky place?


So we have to send him to Coventry so he can get it?


You surely can't have been the first person to make that
comment in the context of this year's PyConUK ??

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Re: [python-uk] Dojo at PyconUK

[Tim Golden]

On 09/09/2011 14:08, Nicholas Tollervey wrote:

A variation on this theme is a "Hunt the Wumpus" clone. But then Tim
would have to admit to *his* dojo "testing" secret.


Well *someone* liked it:

  http://themonkeyproject.wordpress.com/2011/05/10/hunt-the-wumpus/

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Re: [python-uk] Oxford Python Meetup tomorrow; Jericho Tavern at 7:30PM

[Tim Golden]

On 11/10/2011 14:02, Alexander Dutton wrote:

PS. Is it possible to get them added to
?


Umm. It's a wiki. You can add them yourself :)

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[python-uk] London Python Code Dojo *this Thursday*

[Tim Golden]

Hi Folks,

Apologies for the short notice. We were caught out by the fact
that the first Thursday of the month is the first day of the
month. (All right; *I* was caught out).

The next London Python Code Dojo is happening this Thursday on
the 1st December from 6.30pm. You can sign up here (tickets go
quickly):

https://ldnpydojo.eventwax.com/london-python-code-dojo-season-3-episode-4

It'll be at the offices of Fry-IT (who, at very short notice
have stepped up to give us space and sponsor our pizza and beer).

It'll be the usual (slightly newer) setup: beer & pizza at 6.30pm
with the chance to put forward coding proposals for later. We'll
start at 7.15pm with any lightning talks people may have -- please
email me if you've got one you'd like to give. Then we vote on the
week's coding challenge and spend a couple of hours group-coding
it. At the end of the evening we show-and-tell, laugh at and with
each other, and those who have any energy left head off to the pub.

Where..?

Fry-IT Ltd.

Nearest Tubes: Waterloo Southwark

Address: Fry-IT Limited
503 Enterprise House
1/2 Hatfields
London SE1 9PG

See you there!

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Re: [python-uk] London Python Code Dojo *this Thursday*

[Tim Golden]

In spite of the short notice, all 30 places have now been
taken for tomorrow's London Python Dojo. We often have a
cancellation or two so if you want to come and didn't
get there in time, drop me an email and I'll keep an eye
on what's happening and let you know if a space turns up.
Conversely, if you're holding a place and can't come, let
me know also.

Those of you who did get a ticket in time, we look forward
to seeing you tomorrow at Fry-IT at 6.30pm for pizza, 7.15pm
for lightning talks and coding fun.

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Re: [python-uk] TDD / Django / Selenium workshop - any interest in a part 2?

[Tim Golden]

On 07/12/2011 14:57, Harry Percival wrote:

And (aside from John in the Midlands) would anyone be interested in
re-doing a part 1?


I would -- I couldn't make the original date.

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Re: [python-uk] saturday london python dojos?

[Tim Golden]

Ed, it sounds great. I think it would be very good to
host a different Python session in London, perhaps in
the other half of the month from the Dojo, and that
it be a weekend will obviously allow some people to
come who couldn't come otherwise -- just as the
reverse is true for our Thursday Dojos.

As Nicholas says, we tend to coordinate simply through
the python-uk mailing list (ie this one) with tweets
and any other means people wish to use. I don't think
we're on Lanyard altho' I could be wrong.

The size you're talking about is probably about as big
as you really want before the thing moves into being
a conference. Just in curiosity, would it be possible
for you to post a photo of your presentation space?

I second the suggestion for a sprint, at least as one
way of making use of the session. I'm fairly sure that
the PSF sprinters are particularly keen on Python3-porting
sprints.

For my own part, I'd like to be able to come. I'm in West
London, but I run a boys' club on Saturdays and Sunday is
the only free space I get :) Have to see... Thanks again
for offering the space. Let's see if we can get something
going.

TJG


On 31/01/2012 13:38, Ed Stafford wrote:

A Python Sprint is a fantastic idea as well.

I've double checked our facilities and we can easily accomodate 35 in
the theater and can squeeze in another 7 chairs up front (might be a
little cramped though) and there's a little bit of standing room off the
side.

I think 40-45 people would be the max unless presentations are short and
some people don't mind standing. If that's the case we could fit maybe
50 or so. There's plenty of space in the conference rooms and breakout
areas (couches and various chairs).

On 31 January 2012 13:32, Richard Nienaber mailto:rjniena...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Actually, rather than run a dojo (which is quite a focussed affair)
why not run a hackathon? Self selecting teams can coalesce around a
problem area rather than specific problem and have 6 hours to
produce
something before a show-and-tell. For example, running a hackathon
around the subject of "Living in London" (I'm making this up as I go
along, can't you tell..?) might produce tools for grabbing data,
quick
and lightweight websites, data-analysis tools, cloud based APIs to
aggregate information or single use applications such as something
that sends you a text message if it's going to rain in London in the
next 24 hours... and so on.


I'd love to participate in a hackathon. Another idea is putting
together a PSF sanctioned python sprint .
These are sprints that would be for the benefit of the wider python
community e.g.

  * Python Core work, e.g, bug triage, documentation
  * Porting libraries/applications to Python 3
  * PyPI and packaging related improvements
  * Contribution to Python VMs, e.g., PyPy, IronPython
  * Contribution to other Python projects, e.g., Django, PIL,
pywin32 and so on...

The PSF are also willing to help out with costs if your application
is accepted.

Richard

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[python-uk] londonpython.org.uk

[Tim Golden]

http://londonpython.org.uk

Does anyone currently maintain this? I think it was set up
by Remi Delon (of Webfaction fame) in the days when Simon
used to organise Python meetups in the City, but I don't
have any  contact details for him.

If you are or if you know who looks after it currently could
you drop me a line, please?

Thanks

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Re: [python-uk] londonpython.org.uk

[Tim Golden]

On 05/02/2012 10:32 AM, Tim Golden wrote:

http://londonpython.org.uk

Does anyone currently maintain this?


On 05/02/2012 11:34, Gadget/Steve wrote:

Since it was last updated on the 3rd of Feb this year I would guess
someone is maintaining it.



The front page is currently a planet aggregator. That 3rd
Feb posting is from *my* blog's RSS feed. To be honest I
didn't really mean "maintaining" in the sense of "making
updates" but rather: who can I talk to about transferring
responsibility for the domain.

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[python-uk] The London Python scene and http://londonpython.org.uk/

[Tim Golden]

There's been a burst of activity recently by the team responsible
for the London Python Dojo. If you follow Twitter, you may have
seen that the Dojo now has its own Twitter account:

  https://twitter.com/#!/ldnpydojo

which I encourage you to follow for news and updates on the Dojo.

We've also created a GitHub account:

   https://github.com/ldnpydojo

(can you see a trend emerging?) through which we hope to gather
the code that the Dojo teams generate. We're not yet sure how
it's going to work, but we've already added some of the code
from last week's Game of Life challenge:

  https://github.com/ldnpydojo/game-of-life

We have *also* registered a domain called -- guess what?

  http://ldnpydojo.org.uk


which at present shows the WF holding page but which will
probably end up being a fairly static WordPress site
to be able to point people towards when talking about the Dojo.

In addition, I've taken over the maintenance of the londonpython.org.uk
domain. This was set up by Remi "WebFaction" Delon, early in that
organisation's life. (It's on server web3 which gives you some idea).
It was managed by Menno Smits, and Simon Brunning
hosted an "announce" blog there, which he stopped maintaining when
he stopped organising Python meetups.

The front page was and is a Planet aggregator for (loosely) London-based
Python people. It's kept running on autopilot and all I've done for
now is to tidy it up slightly, removing feeds which were non-existent
or fairly obviously defunct. At present I have no very clear plans
for the domain: I don't want to commit to a huge amount of ongoing
maintenance; I just wanted to have the possibility of a central
place for London Python activity. There's talk of a second London
meetup and I believe there are occasional other events. I'd be
quite happy to keep some kind of calendar going here if it seems
useful.

If anyone wants to have a blog feed added to the Planet, or indeed
to have one removed, please let me know by private email and I'll
see what I can do. Otherwise, stay tuned.

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Re: [python-uk] Game of Life / TDD ideas

[Tim Golden]

On 07/02/2012 15:44, Jonathan Hartley wrote:

On 07/02/2012 13:41, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote:

[snip]
I feel very uncomfortable promoting "one true way" to do development
since I think it's essential that people discover what works best for
them after reflection and exploration of lots of different solutions
rather than forming habits due to a "that's just how it should be
done" mentality.

 > [snip]


I agree with that, but I also feel that there is value in sometimes
devoting time to push a practice like hardcore TDD, because it's
something that a lot of people have little exposure to. They think they
understand it, because it sounds simple on the surface, but they never
get chance, or lack the experience and determination, to actually try it
out in depth, and hence people underestimate its value.



The danger of not pushing "one true way" is that one might end up
pushing none, and so devolving into an unstructured free-for-all (which
is fun, but perhaps is only part of what a Dojo could be?)

This gives me an idea for a future Dojo night. Separate post...

Jonathan



FWIW I agree with Jonathan here in that it's definitely worth
*demonstrating* or *advocating* the benefits of one approach or
another (even, perhaps, to the extent on focusing on it for
the whole of one Dojo) without necessarily *mandating* its use
throughout.


To give a slightly less contentious example, I would be very
much in favour of someone demonstrating the best practice for
a non-trivial Git workflow. DVCS isn't the only way to go;
even if it is, Git isn't the only player in that arena. But
seeing someone competent demonstrate its value would give
the uncertain some guidance and might offer even the experienced
some insight.

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Re: [python-uk] Game of Life / TDD ideas

[Tim Golden]

On 07/02/2012 17:15, Tom Viner wrote:

René, that's called Rest Driven Development :-) (Although that can mean
"no sleep allowed until it's done!")


That would be Rest-Depriven Development, surely :)

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Re: [python-uk] London Python dojo, January: Team 4 game of life

[Tim Golden]

On 11/02/2012 17:06, S Walker wrote:


Slightly delayed, but both the one we (Team 4) built during the session, and 
one I hacked together using pygame over the last couple of weekends are 
included (in $base/dojo and $base/new respectively). Said hacked together 
approach was inspired by one (or more?) of the other teams who used sets, etc.

https://bitbucket.org/maddagaska/pygol/overview

I think there was a link up to post the code to, but I've since lost it, so 
uploaded it here.



Thanks. I'll ping Tom Viner to see if he can find a way to
link to it directly from our shiny new github repo. If
nothing else, we can always stick a README with a URL!

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Re: [python-uk] London Dojo Idea: Module of the Month / Lightning Talks

[Tim Golden]

On 19/03/2012 13:17, James Broadhead wrote:

Definitely a good idea - provided that there's an obvious timer
available to the presenter.


In the past, someone with a smartphone and a silly noise has
played this role. Presumably someone could do this. (My phone
won't unless I count to 300 slowly and then ring myself).

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Re: [python-uk] Write-up of lightening talk

[Tim Golden]

On 28/03/2012 20:28, Peter Inglesby wrote:

As promised, I've (finally) written up my lightening talk on "using
Python's mutable default arguments for fun and profit" [1] from the last
London dojo.  Any comments or corrections welcome, and I'll try to
answer any questions that come up.

[1] http://inglesp.github.com/2012/03/24/mutable-default-arguments.html


Thanks - look forward to reading that up on the Tube

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Re: [python-uk] PyCon By Video!

[Tim Golden]

On 05/04/2012 08:22, Rami Chowdhury wrote:
> Hey everyone,
> 
> Sorry for the radio silence on this, but it's definitely still on! As
> the majority of people on the Doodle event said they could make
> Tuesday the 10th (that's this coming Tuesday!) I've spoken to the
> lovely folks at the Hub Westminster and we're on!
> 
> Eventbrite link is here -- please sign up:
> http://hubtwilightpycon.eventbrite.com/

Eventbrite link has Monday May 14th !

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[python-uk] London Python Code Dojo Thu May 3rd

[Tim Golden]

Places are now available for next Thursday's London Python
Code Dojo:

https://ldnpydojo.eventwax.com/london-python-code-dojo-season-3-episode-9

As ever, we would love to have some lightning talks to start
with, plus any other ideas you can muster. Please email to this
list or to me directly or ping me on Twitter (@tjguk).

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[python-uk] London Python Dojo May 3rd

[Tim Golden]

Just a reminder that this month's London Python Dojo
is tomorrow, May 3rd. If you couldn't book but would
like to come, ping me (@tjguk) or the team (@ldnpydojo)
on Twitter and we'll put you on the waiting list.
Conversely, if you find that you can't come, also drop
us a line and we'll try to match places with people.

As usual we'd welcome a few lightning talks: we usually
like to have a module-of-the-month on one of the stdlib
modules or a widely used one. But we'd also love to hear
about your pet project or whatever else. Let me know if
you'd like to be a lightning-talker.

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Re: [python-uk] London Python Dojo May 3rd

[Tim Golden]

Thanks for letting us know, Jakub

TJG

On 03/05/2012 15:04, Jakub Gustak wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I will not be able to make it tonight. My ticket can be for grabs.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jakub
> 
> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Tim Golden  wrote:
>> Just a reminder that this month's London Python Dojo
>> is tomorrow, May 3rd. If you couldn't book but would
>> like to come, ping me (@tjguk) or the team (@ldnpydojo)
>> on Twitter and we'll put you on the waiting list.
>> Conversely, if you find that you can't come, also drop
>> us a line and we'll try to match places with people.
>>
>> As usual we'd welcome a few lightning talks: we usually
>> like to have a module-of-the-month on one of the stdlib
>> modules or a widely used one. But we'd also love to hear
>> about your pet project or whatever else. Let me know if
>> you'd like to be a lightning-talker.
>>
>> TJG
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Re: [python-uk] word chains: impossible ones

[Tim Golden]

On 17/06/2012 10:24, Richard Smedley wrote:

On 17/06/12 10:01, Gadget/Steve wrote:

If you need a complete, always up to date, dictionary then you need to
work in a dead language like Latin - no new words introduced for over a
thousand years AFAIK or an artificial one, e.g. Esperanto where a
committee or other authority specifies which words are valid.  English
is growing and changing every day as old words are brought back into use
or redefined by individuals and new words introduced by individuals,
organisations and mistakes - all it takes is for something to start
being used by enough people - even brand names and abbreviations picked
to be unique enter the language as they are generalised, e.g. hoover,
LED.


Beware of assumptions ;-)

Latin was a living language amongst European scientists generally
as recently as a couple of centuries ago. As a consequence of which
it was adopted by botanists and is thus used day-to-day to describe
new plant discoveries.

A consequence of this is that botanic latin picks up new words as
needed, when something like a scanning electron microscope comes
along and needs to be named :)


I would also point you towards the Vatican's dictionary of modern-day
Latin (which it needs for documents which reference "astronaut",
"television" and, presumably, "scanning electron microscope"). This is 
the Italian version. I'm sure you get the idea.



http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/institutions_connected/latinitas/documents/rc_latinitas_20040601_lexicon_it.html#a


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Re: [python-uk] word chains: impossible ones

[Tim Golden]

On 17/06/2012 11:56, Richard Smedley wrote:

On 17/06/12 11:29, Tim Golden wrote:

I would also point you towards the Vatican's dictionary of modern-day
Latin (which it needs for documents which reference "astronaut",
"television" and, presumably, "scanning electron microscope"). This is
the Italian version. I'm sure you get the idea.


http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/institutions_connected/latinitas/documents/rc_latinitas_20040601_lexicon_it.html#a



There are too many gems in there to single out any individual one
to note. What a great resource. Thank you. :)


Since we're on the subject -- although going increasingly off it -- I 
very much recommend an article by the retired teacher who translated 
Harry Potter into classical Greek. Obviously it's interesting to see 
what he's done with modern words. But what's particularly fascinating is 
the challenges he faced when, for example, translating aspects of colour 
or natural history -- things which we hardly think of as problematic 
when translating into a modern-day language.


  http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~loxias/harry_potter.htm

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Re: [python-uk] Impromptu London get-together, October 9th, for Canadian visitor?

[Tim Golden]

On 20/09/2012 12:47, Harry Percival wrote:
> hey gang, we have a visitor from CANADIA!
> 
> He twote us at the office asking if anyone was around for an evening
> of nerdy chat about Python, proposing Tuesday October 9th.  Thought
> we'd throw it open to a wider audience...
> 
> Anyone up for it?

I'd like to, but I can't generally do Tuesdays. Can you put me down
anyway and I'll see if I can wriggle free...?

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Re: [python-uk] London Py Dojo code submission

[Tim Golden]

On 05/10/2012 09:15, Tom Viner wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> If you want to post your code up in all it's ever lasting glory, pop
> along to our github repo for last night:
> 
> https://github.com/ldnpydojo/countdown-number-game

Thanks for arranging this, Tom. I realised, going home, that we hadn't
set up a github repo and I'd really like to revisit some of the
solutions from the other teams. (ie code which actually produced a valid
result!).

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[python-uk] November London Python Code Dojo

[Tim Golden]

Well, the first day of the month is also the first Thursday of the 
month. And that means: London Python Code Dojo!


Get your tickets here (and move fast, they're generally snapped up 
sharpish):


  https://ldnpydojo.eventwax.com/london-python-code-dojo-season-4-episode-3

This month there's a very slight difference, as the challenge will be 
preset, rather than voted on. (I'm not saying what it is because you'll 
all turn up with ready-made solutions which will make the evening rather 
short).


If you need any more information, contact the team via Twitter: @ldnpydojo

Look forward to seeing you all next Thursday.

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Re: [python-uk] November London Python Code Dojo

[Tim Golden]

... and if anyone has a Lightning Talk they'd like to give, we usually 
have room for 2 or 3. Let us know.


TJG

On 26/10/2012 09:21, Tim Golden wrote:

Well, the first day of the month is also the first Thursday of the
month. And that means: London Python Code Dojo!

Get your tickets here (and move fast, they're generally snapped up
sharpish):


https://ldnpydojo.eventwax.com/london-python-code-dojo-season-4-episode-3

This month there's a very slight difference, as the challenge will be
preset, rather than voted on. (I'm not saying what it is because you'll
all turn up with ready-made solutions which will make the evening rather
short).

If you need any more information, contact the team via Twitter: @ldnpydojo

Look forward to seeing you all next Thursday.

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Re: [python-uk] [pyconuk] Python-UK Google Plus Community

[Tim Golden]

On 11/12/2012 11:10, Martin P. Hellwig wrote:
> And that somebody being me :-)

And thank you for taking the initiative. As I mentioned before, I have
nothing against Google+ as such, except for the fact that I don't really
go there very often. (Maybe this will be an incentive). The current
showing suggests that there are lots of people who do.

I'm definitely not going to ignore the Google+ community; but every time
I make a foray into Google+ I leave nonplussed. I'm sure it's just me :)

Point taken about the downsides to a two-way channel. I'm sure, if
anyone had enough incentive, that one could arrange a moderated channel
if there really was a need. Perhaps the need won't really emerge.
Meanwhile, as you suggest here -- and there -- anyone who wishes can
cross-post or repost.

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[python-uk] Python Trademark at Risk in Europe

[Tim Golden]

For those who don't follow other channels.

http://pyfound.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/python-trademark-at-risk-in-europe-we.html

tl;dr - the PSF, to defend the use of "Python" in Europe, needs 
testimony and documentation to demonstrate that, for as long as 
possible, "Python" has meant the Python language in order to contest a 
commercial trademark application.


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Re: [python-uk] Python Trademark at Risk in Europe

[Tim Golden]

In case that's useful info, Michael, would you mind forwarding it
back to psf-tradema...@python.org ? As far as I can tell you're only
sending to python-uk.

TJG

On 15/02/2013 11:01, Michael wrote:
> In order to get support at work regarding this, I decided to do some
> digging, and it turns out, looking at archive.org ,
> that the company in question or at least the domain in question - has
> been used to mean "python internet" or "python internet services" off
> and on since 1998.
> 
> It's also been called cheapnet, and various other things in its early
> days by the looks of things.
> 
> The blog description is slightly inaccurate in saying that the company
> in question have only just started using the name - they appear to have
> used the name off and on for 15 years.
> 
> This doesn't mean to say that the trademark application has merit - it
> doesn't - I first did a python tutorial around 15 years ago, and there
> were published books etc at the time, but it doesn't help to say
> "they've just started using this", when that's not really quite the case.
> 
> The question I'd personally have (which is unclear from the domain name)
> is whether this is the same company today (through acquisition or
> merger) as the company from 1998?
> 
> (I still think the trademark application hasn't got any merit, but given
> the fact they came back  to use the same name over a period of years, I
> can see what probably led them to think (incorrectly) they could/should
> try to get it)
> 
> 
> 
> Michael.
> 
> 
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Re: [python-uk] more maze

[Tim Golden]

On 06/05/2013 19:26, Thomas Hunger wrote:

Here's an implementation of a random spanning tree where the nodes are
coordinates on a plane so one can render them later:

https://gist.github.com/teh/5526976


Thanks, Thomas.

For those wondering, last Thursday's London Python Dojo was all about 
generating mazes. Most teams didn't have time to fulfil their solution's 
entire potential and evidently a few people went home buzzing with ideas 
or alternatives. Hence the flow of messages to the list promoting maze 
solutions.


Just so you knew...

The next Dojo should be on the first Thursday of June, venue to be 
announced. Keep an eye on this list and/or follow @ldnpydojo.


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Re: [python-uk] Photos from the Python Dojo @ Bank of America

[Tim Golden]

On 07/06/2013 06:40, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Sal,
> 
> Many thanks to you for being point man on the ground with the
> organisation of this month's dojo. Bank of America were excellent
> hosts and I think it's great to see companies supporting and "giving
> back" (as your boss put it) to the Python community.

+1

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[python-uk] Planet London Python

[Tim Golden]

At his request, I've just added Harry Percival's "Obey the Testing Goat"
blog to the London Python aggregator at http://londonpython.org.uk. So
those of you who felt you weren't getting enough of Harry's shameless
self-promotion (his words) can now feed your need even further.

Joking aside, if anyone wants to be added to Planet London Python, drop
me a line with an RSS/Atom feed. I keep meaning to add / re-add some
kind of calendar widget which shows the various Python-related Dojos and
meetups going on around London. Maybe this time I'll get around to it.

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[python-uk] PyConUK tickets?

[Tim Golden]

Going by the PyConUK site (which I randomly glanced at just now) there
appear to be early bird tickets for sale already, but I don't remember
seeing any announcements. Can I go in and book? Or is it just a
placeholder for now?

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Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

[Tim Golden]

On 12/07/2013 11:24, a.gra...@gmail.com wrote:
> Thank you for the nice evening guys :)
> 
> It was amazing to meet you all and to try to learn something new.
> 
> I have a suggestion for the next time. Maybe it's just me that I'm a
> newbie... I don't know...but... I would suggest to split us in
> groups/projects with this target: experts, intermediate, basic. This
> will allow new people to partecipate and maybe people like me to code
> something.
> 
> This was my second Dojo I attended and even this time I didn't feel at
> the level of coding the proposed problem. After a while it can be
> boring :P
> 
> Why don't we try to bring also intermediate and basic problems to
> solve so that people at any level can try coding something?

I'll let the others comment about last night who were actually there for
the coding!

While I'm definitely sympathetic, making sure to involve newbies is not
that easy a problem to solve. (Though that's not to say we can't try).
It pretty much comes down to who's in your team. Sometimes you get a
team which wholeheartedly embraces egalitarianism and passes the
keyboard round like a conch shell; other times, you've got someone
desperately keen who just grasps the challenge du jour by the keyboard
and will hardly let go.

Which brings me to your suggestion of... well, I'm not sure whether
you're suggesting "team streaming", ie a team of newbies, a team of
pros; or whether you're advocating specifically mixing the teams up.
I'll assume the latter as it seems to make more sense in the context.

We've tried to make this happen maybe once or twice in the past. It's
actually very difficult in practice, because you need people to identify
their level of profiency and then divide up on that basis. Actually,
maybe it's not that hard: we could just ask people to put, say, 0, 1 or
2 on their name badge at the beginning to indicate perceived expertise,
and then somehow use that in the grouping. I don't know: something like
that could work.

I think people are likely to be self-deprecating when identifying their
level. I liked a question that Bruce Durling used a few years back: "Are
you more likely to be asking or to be answering questions about Python?".

re bringing easy / intermediate problems along: well, anyone can propose
a problem. I think you're suggesting that *different* problems be solved
during the one evening, some easier, some harder. I don't say we'd never
do it, but in general we like to have everyone working on the same thing
so that, when it comes to the show-and-tell at the end, you're seeing
how another team solved the same problem you solved.

All that said, I'm up for trying anything. I have no issue with having a
specifically newbie-friendly session; or with having a problem which
specifically splits into an easier and a harder component; or with
making teams deliberately mixed ability. But that's just my take.

TJG
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Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

[Tim Golden]

On 12/07/2013 12:10, David Miller wrote:
> On 12 July 2013 12:00, Tim Golden  <mailto:m...@timgolden.me.uk>> wrote:
> 
> All that said, I'm up for trying anything.
> 
> 
> The repetitive & predictable use of Python as the main programming
> language at the LPD has long been a problem...

Not to mention the fact that it's always in London. What's that about?

TJG

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Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

[Tim Golden]

Trying to summarise a bit. Hope I haven't misrepresented anyone.

[a.gra...@gmail.com]
Feeling left out as a newbie; proposing different levels of coding
challenge / team group. Suggesting that less experienced coders might
stay away.

[stest...@gmail.com]
Suggesting a change-now bell or hooter or whatever [similar in fact to
the 5-minute Dojo style we started with way back when, but still with teams]

[Michael Grazebrook]
Suggesting streaming teams but giving each one a mentor who would coach
but not code. (+1 from a.gra...@gmail.com)


None of these ideas are unreasonable. We're taking a break for the
summer now, but it makes sense for the Dojo team to get together before
September (which we probably would have done, anyway) to look at
possible changes to the format, either overall or for specific evenings.

Obviously, bring on more ideas & responses. Ultimately, we won't be able
to please all the people all of the time. But we certainly want to
understand what we could improve.

TJG
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Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

[Tim Golden]

On 12/07/2013 12:18, a.gra...@gmail.com wrote:
> If I'm in a team where other people are way more expert than me, I
> will never want to take the keyboard and start coding something.
> I think they would be bored by my slowness and by my level. My slow
> speed in coding could affect also the whole result (considering also
> that we have a stric time to respect)

Hmmm. Perhaps there's a perception issue here. Speaking for myself, but
-- I believe -- channelling the other organisers, I would say that we're
far more interested in people having a go than in what the team's
finished product is like. Again: a lot depends on who's in your team.

Certainly I have no problem with watching someone code slowly and trying
to get a hold of what's going on, maybe learning a bit. Likewise I have
no problem with someone choosing to observe rather than code in the hope
of seeing how other (perhaps more experienced) people do things.

I would guess that, for any given Dojo, at least one and sometimes two
teams don't actually produce a finished product, but it's always fun to
see where they've gone and what they tried and what doesn't work. (And
there's always the excitement of a live debugging session when they
suddenly spot the issue and try to fix it in situ).


> Another person could simply say: mmm... interesting but... not for my
> level. And stop coming. Do you really want this?

When all's said and done, if someone doesn't think it's for them, then
it's not for them. We can try to be as accommodating as possible, but
you can't please all the people all the time.


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Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

[Tim Golden]

On 14/07/2013 11:48, andrea crotti wrote:

In my opinion in general the way we work at the dojo is not exactly what
a coding dojo is supposed to be..


As organisers, we're aware that this is the case. We started off more or 
less attempting to follow the classical Dojo pattern but very quickly 
branched off into pretty much the way we do things now. We still call it 
a Dojo but it's not what other people think of as such.


[... eliding worthwhile points you're making because I'm in a hurry ...]

As I mentioned before, I'll try to get the Dojo team together in person 
or virtually over the summer to take on peoples comments and ideas. I've 
not seen anything suggested in this thread which is ridiculous. At the 
same time, even if we change things around, I can't see us creating an 
amalgam of everyone's ideas. Someone's going to find it suboptimal in 
some way. At which point they'll either keep coming and make the most, 
or perhaps start an alternative venture -- which can only be welcome; 
the more Python initiatives the better -- perhaps more to the liking of 
some people, or just stop getting involved.


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Re: [python-uk] Trip to Bletchley Park

[Tim Golden]

I'm tied up with a Boys' Club on Saturdays but I definitely encourage
anyone to go who hasn't. Aside from the mainstream attractions of the
Enigma / Codebreaking stuff and the NMOC, there's also a charmingly
eclectic mixture of side exhibitions: a museum of wartime pigeons; the
local model railway enthusiasts; a dusty garage of vintage cars; model
ships made by a local club; someone's toy collection; the on-site
wartime Post Office.

And it's all run by fans who are delighted to talk.

Definitely go if you haven't already. (And if you have).

TJG

On 25/09/2013 21:33, Tom Viner wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> A few of us had a discussion at PyconUK about doing a trip to
> Bletchley Park and the The National Museum of Computing.
> 
> Saturday, 19 Oct seemed to be the best option. Londoners could meet at
> Euston Station and others could make their own way.
> 
> In terms of timing:
> 
> - Bletchley Park is open from 9.30am to 5.00pm
> - The Museum of Computing is "Fully open 1-5pm; Colossus and Tunny
> Galleries open all day"
> 
> So we could meet at say 10am and get the train there, potentially
> using this national rail 2 for 1 offer:
> http://www.daysoutguide.co.uk/bletchley-park-(1)
> 
> More info:
> http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk/
> http://www.tnmoc.org/
> 
> So put it in your calendar and I'll email again a week before with
> specific meeting times etc.
> 
> Cheers,
> Tom
> 
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Re: [python-uk] Trip to Bletchley Park

[Tim Golden]

... which was of course at the time part of the Oxford-Cambridge line,
considered important for the work of BP:

  http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/v/verney_junction/

(There are probably better links; I didn't search very hard).

Geeks + Railways: what a heady mix!

TJG

On 26/09/2013 14:37, Jonathan Fine wrote:
> I'm interested, and live locally, so I can cycle there. Bletchley Park
> is walking distance from Bletchley rail station, so it's much better to
> get a train to there than to Milton Keynes Central.
> 
> By the way, Bletchley Park was chosen in part because of its closeness
> to the rail station, and to GPO communication lines.
> 
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 1:24 PM, David Nicholas Snowdon
> mailto:dave.snow...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Count me in too.
> Dave
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 26 Sep 2013, at 11:01, Luis Visintini  <mailto:lvisint...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> I can make it no problem.
>> count me in
>>
>> Luis
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Tim Golden > <mailto:m...@timgolden.me.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm tied up with a Boys' Club on Saturdays but I definitely
>> encourage
>> anyone to go who hasn't. Aside from the mainstream attractions
>> of the
>> Enigma / Codebreaking stuff and the NMOC, there's also a
>> charmingly
>> eclectic mixture of side exhibitions: a museum of wartime
>> pigeons; the
>> local model railway enthusiasts; a dusty garage of vintage
>> cars; model
>> ships made by a local club; someone's toy collection; the on-site
>> wartime Post Office.
>>
>> And it's all run by fans who are delighted to talk.
>>
>> Definitely go if you haven't already. (And if you have).
>>
>> TJG
>>
>> On 25/09/2013 21:33, Tom Viner wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > A few of us had a discussion at PyconUK about doing a trip to
>> > Bletchley Park and the The National Museum of Computing.
>> >
>> > Saturday, 19 Oct seemed to be the best option. Londoners
>> could meet at
>> > Euston Station and others could make their own way.
>> >
>> > In terms of timing:
>> >
>> > - Bletchley Park is open from 9.30am to 5.00pm
>> > - The Museum of Computing is "Fully open 1-5pm; Colossus and
>> Tunny
>> > Galleries open all day"
>> >
>> > So we could meet at say 10am and get the train there,
>> potentially
>> > using this national rail 2 for 1 offer:
>> > http://www.daysoutguide.co.uk/bletchley-park-(1)
>> >
>> > More info:
>> > http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk/
>> > http://www.tnmoc.org/
>> >
>> > So put it in your calendar and I'll email again a week
>> before with
>> > specific meeting times etc.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Tom
>> >
>> > @tomviner
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[python-uk] London Python Dojo Thursday Dec 5th

[Tim Golden]

Roll up, roll up!

Tickets are now available for December's London Python Dojo, to take
place at Mind Candy on December 5th:

  https://ldnpydojo.eventwax.com/london-python-code-dojo-season-5-episode-4

Get your tickets here:


https://ldnpydojo.eventwax.com/london-python-code-dojo-season-5-episode-4/register


Look forward to seeing you there

TJG
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