Re: [python-uk] job postings to this list

[Daniel Pope]

Just a reminder that the python.org jobs board and pythonjobs.github.io are
available if you want to post job opportunities.

On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 09:10 Nicholas H.Tollervey,  wrote:

> On 01/09/16 22:49, Chris Withers wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > What's the current state of play with job ads and this list?
> >
> > Last I knew, they weren't allowed. Seems to be the majority of list
> > content now...
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > ___
> > python-uk mailing list
> > python-uk@python.org
> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>
> As people have mentioned, the consensus that I've seen is that posting a
> job ad is fine so long as it's not recruiter spam.
>
> Of course, recruiters advertising for a specific job with an appropriate
> level of detail about the job in question (location, salary, expectation
> of role, desired skills and experience, information about what the
> company does) is also fine.
>
> What is recruiter spam? How about, "exciting opportunity for Python
> ninja in green-field project at one of London's most exciting employers"
> is, IMHO, NOT welcome. It's just meaningless noise and probably
> recruitment phishing.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> N.
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Re: [python-uk] job postings to this list

[Tom Viner]

Potential candidates as well as recruiters are reminded that hitting reply
will result in a mail aimed back to the list.

You must then manually edit the To: field.

Furthermore: Outlook's "recall this message" will not work, rather it will
send a further email to the list, each and every time you click it.
Although perhaps third time's a charm?


You have been warned!


On 2 September 2016 at 07:09, Nicholas H.Tollervey  wrote:

> On 01/09/16 22:49, Chris Withers wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > What's the current state of play with job ads and this list?
> >
> > Last I knew, they weren't allowed. Seems to be the majority of list
> > content now...
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > ___
> > python-uk mailing list
> > python-uk@python.org
> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>
> As people have mentioned, the consensus that I've seen is that posting a
> job ad is fine so long as it's not recruiter spam.
>
> Of course, recruiters advertising for a specific job with an appropriate
> level of detail about the job in question (location, salary, expectation
> of role, desired skills and experience, information about what the
> company does) is also fine.
>
> What is recruiter spam? How about, "exciting opportunity for Python
> ninja in green-field project at one of London's most exciting employers"
> is, IMHO, NOT welcome. It's just meaningless noise and probably
> recruitment phishing.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> N.
>
>
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Re: [python-uk] job postings to this list

[Tim Golden]

On 02/09/2016 09:48, Tom Viner wrote:
> Potential candidates as well as recruiters are reminded that hitting
> reply will result in a mail aimed back to the list.
> 
> You must then manually edit the To: field.
> 
> Furthermore: Outlook's "recall this message" will not work, rather it
> will send a further email to the list, each and every time you click it.

... causing much amusement to all concerned except the hapless OP who's
backpedalling as much as possible! (Sorry, Tom!)

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Re: [python-uk] job postings to this list

[Chris Withers]

  
  
Right, and that's where I'd prefer to see jobs, rather than on a
  mailing list...


On 02/09/2016 09:34, Daniel Pope wrote:


  Just a reminder that the python.org jobs board and pythonjobs.github.io
are available if you want to post job opportunities. 
  
  
On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 09:10 Nicholas H.Tollervey,
  
  wrote:

On 01/09/16
  22:49, Chris Withers wrote:
  > Hi All,
  >
  > What's the current state of play with job ads and this
  list?
  >
  > Last I knew, they weren't allowed. Seems to be the
  majority of list
  > content now...
  >
  > Chris
  >
  > ___
  > python-uk mailing list
  > python-uk@python.org
  > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
  
  As people have mentioned, the consensus that I've seen is that
  posting a
  job ad is fine so long as it's not recruiter spam.
  
  Of course, recruiters advertising for a specific job with an
  appropriate
  level of detail about the job in question (location, salary,
  expectation
  of role, desired skills and experience, information about what
  the
  company does) is also fine.
  
  What is recruiter spam? How about, "exciting opportunity for
  Python
  ninja in green-field project at one of London's most exciting
  employers"
  is, IMHO, NOT welcome. It's just meaningless noise and
  probably
  recruitment phishing.
  
  Hope this helps,
  
  N.
  
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Re: [python-uk] job postings to this list

[Tim Golden]

 We have this discussion every 18 months or so. As others have
said, focused and relevant job ads have been acceptable on this list.
It's even in the list description:

(from https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk)

"to help UK Python users to form a community, arrange events, advertise
help or jobs wanted or sought and generally chat."

I understand that some people don't like jobs on lists, but on this list
they're considered ok.

TJG

On 02/09/2016 10:07, Chris Withers wrote:
> Right, and that's where I'd prefer to see jobs, rather than on a mailing
> list...
> 
> 
> On 02/09/2016 09:34, Daniel Pope wrote:
>>
>> Just a reminder that the python.org  jobs board and
>> pythonjobs.github.io  are available if
>> you want to post job opportunities.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 09:10 Nicholas H.Tollervey, > > wrote:
>>
>> On 01/09/16 22:49, Chris Withers wrote:
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > What's the current state of play with job ads and this list?
>> >
>> > Last I knew, they weren't allowed. Seems to be the majority of list
>> > content now...
>> >
>> > Chris
>> >
>> > ___
>> > python-uk mailing list
>> > python-uk@python.org 
>> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>>
>> As people have mentioned, the consensus that I've seen is that
>> posting a
>> job ad is fine so long as it's not recruiter spam.
>>
>> Of course, recruiters advertising for a specific job with an
>> appropriate
>> level of detail about the job in question (location, salary,
>> expectation
>> of role, desired skills and experience, information about what the
>> company does) is also fine.
>>
>> What is recruiter spam? How about, "exciting opportunity for Python
>> ninja in green-field project at one of London's most exciting
>> employers"
>> is, IMHO, NOT welcome. It's just meaningless noise and probably
>> recruitment phishing.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>> N.
>>
>> ___
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>> python-uk@python.org 
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [python-uk] job postings to this list

[Nathan Jeffrey]

I guess we can just revisit if it ever gets too spammy. Unlike Brexit, we
can change our minds later without consequence 😉

- N

On Fri, 2 Sep 2016, 10:26 Tim Golden,  wrote:

>  We have this discussion every 18 months or so. As others have
> said, focused and relevant job ads have been acceptable on this list.
> It's even in the list description:
>
> (from https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk)
>
> "to help UK Python users to form a community, arrange events, advertise
> help or jobs wanted or sought and generally chat."
>
> I understand that some people don't like jobs on lists, but on this list
> they're considered ok.
>
> TJG
>
> On 02/09/2016 10:07, Chris Withers wrote:
> > Right, and that's where I'd prefer to see jobs, rather than on a mailing
> > list...
> >
> >
> > On 02/09/2016 09:34, Daniel Pope wrote:
> >>
> >> Just a reminder that the python.org  jobs board and
> >> pythonjobs.github.io  are available if
> >> you want to post job opportunities.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 09:10 Nicholas H.Tollervey,  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On 01/09/16 22:49, Chris Withers wrote:
> >> > Hi All,
> >> >
> >> > What's the current state of play with job ads and this list?
> >> >
> >> > Last I knew, they weren't allowed. Seems to be the majority of
> list
> >> > content now...
> >> >
> >> > Chris
> >> >
> >> > ___
> >> > python-uk mailing list
> >> > python-uk@python.org 
> >> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
> >>
> >> As people have mentioned, the consensus that I've seen is that
> >> posting a
> >> job ad is fine so long as it's not recruiter spam.
> >>
> >> Of course, recruiters advertising for a specific job with an
> >> appropriate
> >> level of detail about the job in question (location, salary,
> >> expectation
> >> of role, desired skills and experience, information about what the
> >> company does) is also fine.
> >>
> >> What is recruiter spam? How about, "exciting opportunity for Python
> >> ninja in green-field project at one of London's most exciting
> >> employers"
> >> is, IMHO, NOT welcome. It's just meaningless noise and probably
> >> recruitment phishing.
> >>
> >> Hope this helps,
> >>
> >> N.
> >>
> >> ___
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> >> python-uk@python.org 
> >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >
> >
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Re: [python-uk] job postings to this list

[Stephen Thorne]

I've not only accidentally done this, but ended up working for that
employer for 5 years! (not this list)

On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 at 09:49 Tom Viner  wrote:

> Potential candidates as well as recruiters are reminded that hitting reply
> will result in a mail aimed back to the list.
>
> You must then manually edit the To: field.
>
> Furthermore: Outlook's "recall this message" will not work, rather it will
> send a further email to the list, each and every time you click it.
> Although perhaps third time's a charm?
> 
>
> You have been warned!
>
>
> On 2 September 2016 at 07:09, Nicholas H.Tollervey 
> wrote:
>
>> On 01/09/16 22:49, Chris Withers wrote:
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > What's the current state of play with job ads and this list?
>> >
>> > Last I knew, they weren't allowed. Seems to be the majority of list
>> > content now...
>> >
>> > Chris
>> >
>> > ___
>> > python-uk mailing list
>> > python-uk@python.org
>> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>>
>> As people have mentioned, the consensus that I've seen is that posting a
>> job ad is fine so long as it's not recruiter spam.
>>
>> Of course, recruiters advertising for a specific job with an appropriate
>> level of detail about the job in question (location, salary, expectation
>> of role, desired skills and experience, information about what the
>> company does) is also fine.
>>
>> What is recruiter spam? How about, "exciting opportunity for Python
>> ninja in green-field project at one of London's most exciting employers"
>> is, IMHO, NOT welcome. It's just meaningless noise and probably
>> recruitment phishing.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>> N.
>>
>>
>> ___
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>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
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[python-uk] London Python Code Dojo Sep 2016

[Matt Wheeler]

Tickets are now available for September's un-cancelled London Python Code
Dojo:

A new host, Yoyo Wallet, has stepped up so we are now able to run a dojo
this month after all. Full details at the link below:

*http://london-python-code-dojo-season-8-episode-1.eventbrite.co.uk
*

If you have a lightning talk you'd like to give to start things off, please
let us know.


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Re: [python-uk] No London Dojo in September

[Matt Wheeler]

On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 at 13:20 Tim Golden  wrote:

> You probably guessed by virtue of the radio silence, but we regret that
> we'll not be running a London Python Dojo in September. It's basically
> down to people being too busy and our not finding a venue.
>

Just a quick note that the September dojo is no longer cancelled! It will
now be held on the 8th, next Thursday.

Event link:
http://london-python-code-dojo-season-8-episode-1.eventbrite.co.uk
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Re: [python-uk] No London Dojo in September

[Tim Golden]

On 02/09/2016 11:54, Matt Wheeler wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 at 13:20 Tim Golden  > wrote:
> 
> You probably guessed by virtue of the radio silence, but we regret that
> we'll not be running a London Python Dojo in September. It's basically
> down to people being too busy and our not finding a venue.
> 
> 
> Just a quick note that the September dojo is no longer cancelled! It
> will now be held on the 8th, next Thursday.
> 
> Event link:
> http://london-python-code-dojo-season-8-episode-1.eventbrite.co.uk 

And thanks to YoYoWallet for stepping up to host and Matt for stepping
up to run it.

TJG

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Re: [python-uk] job postings to this list

[S Walker]

And once again the amount of posts in a discussion about whether or not there 
are too many job postings significantly exceeds the amount of job postings!

S

On 02/09/16 11:44, Stephen Thorne wrote:
I've not only accidentally done this, but ended up working for that employer 
for 5 years! (not this list)

On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 at 09:49 Tom Viner 
<t...@viner.tv> wrote:
Potential candidates as well as recruiters are reminded that hitting reply will 
result in a mail aimed back to the list.

You must then manually edit the To: field.

Furthermore: Outlook's "recall this message" will not work, rather it will send 
a further email to the list, each and every time you click it. Although perhaps 
third time's a 
charm?

You have been warned!


On 2 September 2016 at 07:09, Nicholas H.Tollervey 
<nt...@ntoll.org> wrote:
On 01/09/16 22:49, Chris Withers wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> What's the current state of play with job ads and this list?
>
> Last I knew, they weren't allowed. Seems to be the majority of list
> content now...
>
> Chris
>
> ___
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> python-uk@python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk

As people have mentioned, the consensus that I've seen is that posting a
job ad is fine so long as it's not recruiter spam.

Of course, recruiters advertising for a specific job with an appropriate
level of detail about the job in question (location, salary, expectation
of role, desired skills and experience, information about what the
company does) is also fine.

What is recruiter spam? How about, "exciting opportunity for Python
ninja in green-field project at one of London's most exciting employers"
is, IMHO, NOT welcome. It's just meaningless noise and probably
recruitment phishing.

Hope this helps,

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Re: [python-uk] job postings to this list

[Nicholas H.Tollervey]

bike_shed = True

;-)


On 02/09/16 16:09, S Walker wrote:
> And once again the amount of posts in a discussion about whether or not
> there are too many job postings significantly exceeds the amount of job
> postings!
> 
> S
> 
> On 02/09/16 11:44, Stephen Thorne wrote:
>> I've not only accidentally done this, but ended up working for that
>> employer for 5 years! (not this list)
>>
>> On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 at 09:49 Tom Viner
>> <t...@viner.tv> wrote:
>>
>> Potential candidates as well as recruiters are reminded that
>> hitting reply will result in a mail aimed back to the list.
>>
>> You must then manually edit the To: field.
>>
>> Furthermore: Outlook's "recall this message" will not work, rather
>> it will send a further email to the list, each and every time you
>> click it. Although perhaps third time's a charm?
>> 
>>
>> You have been warned!
>>
>>
>> On 2 September 2016 at 07:09, Nicholas H.Tollervey
>> <nt...@ntoll.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 01/09/16 22:49, Chris Withers wrote:
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > What's the current state of play with job ads and this list?
>> >
>> > Last I knew, they weren't allowed. Seems to be the majority
>> of list
>> > content now...
>> >
>> > Chris
>> >
>> > ___
>> > python-uk mailing list
>> > python-uk@python.org 
>> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>>
>> As people have mentioned, the consensus that I've seen is that
>> posting a
>> job ad is fine so long as it's not recruiter spam.
>>
>> Of course, recruiters advertising for a specific job with an
>> appropriate
>> level of detail about the job in question (location, salary,
>> expectation
>> of role, desired skills and experience, information about what the
>> company does) is also fine.
>>
>> What is recruiter spam? How about, "exciting opportunity for
>> Python
>> ninja in green-field project at one of London's most exciting
>> employers"
>> is, IMHO, NOT welcome. It's just meaningless noise and probably
>> recruitment phishing.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>> N.
>>
>>
>> ___
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>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>>
>>
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Re: [python-uk] job postings to this list

[Richard Barran]

This thread does sound like a meeting of the People's Front of Judea.

(PS: and that’s my convoluted attempt at slipping a Monty Python reference into 
this mailing list)

> On 2 Sep 2016, at 17:09, S Walker  wrote:
> 
> And once again the amount of posts in a discussion about whether or not there 
> are too many job postings significantly exceeds the amount of job postings!
> 
> S
> 
> On 02/09/16 11:44, Stephen Thorne wrote:
>> I've not only accidentally done this, but ended up working for that employer 
>> for 5 years! (not this list)
>> 
>> On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 at 09:49 Tom Viner < t...@viner.tv 
>> > wrote:
>> Potential candidates as well as recruiters are reminded that hitting reply 
>> will result in a mail aimed back to the list.
>> 
>> You must then manually edit the To: field.
>> 
>> Furthermore: Outlook's "recall this message" will not work, rather it will 
>> send a further email to the list, each and every time you click it. Although 
>> perhaps third time's a charm? 
>> 
>> 
>> You have been warned!
>> 
>> 
>> On 2 September 2016 at 07:09, Nicholas H.Tollervey < 
>> nt...@ntoll.org > wrote:
>> On 01/09/16 22:49, Chris Withers wrote:
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > What's the current state of play with job ads and this list?
>> >
>> > Last I knew, they weren't allowed. Seems to be the majority of list
>> > content now...
>> >
>> > Chris
>> >
>> > ___
>> > python-uk mailing list
>> > python-uk@python.org 
>> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk 
>> > 
>> 
>> As people have mentioned, the consensus that I've seen is that posting a
>> job ad is fine so long as it's not recruiter spam.
>> 
>> Of course, recruiters advertising for a specific job with an appropriate
>> level of detail about the job in question (location, salary, expectation
>> of role, desired skills and experience, information about what the
>> company does) is also fine.
>> 
>> What is recruiter spam? How about, "exciting opportunity for Python
>> ninja in green-field project at one of London's most exciting employers"
>> is, IMHO, NOT welcome. It's just meaningless noise and probably
>> recruitment phishing.
>> 
>> Hope this helps,
>> 
>> N.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [python-uk] job postings to this list

[Pepper R.]

Splitters!

Sent from my iPhone

On 2 Sep 2016, at 16:26, Richard Barran 
mailto:rich...@arbee-design.co.uk>> wrote:

This thread does sound like a meeting of the People's Front of Judea.

(PS: and that’s my convoluted attempt at slipping a Monty Python reference into 
this mailing list)

On 2 Sep 2016, at 17:09, S Walker 
mailto:walke...@hotmail.co.uk>> wrote:

And once again the amount of posts in a discussion about whether or not there 
are too many job postings significantly exceeds the amount of job postings!

S

On 02/09/16 11:44, Stephen Thorne wrote:
I've not only accidentally done this, but ended up working for that employer 
for 5 years! (not this list)

On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 at 09:49 Tom Viner 
<t...@viner.tv> wrote:
Potential candidates as well as recruiters are reminded that hitting reply will 
result in a mail aimed back to the list.

You must then manually edit the To: field.

Furthermore: Outlook's "recall this message" will not work, rather it will send 
a further email to the list, each and every time you click it. Although perhaps 
third time's a 
charm?

You have been warned!


On 2 September 2016 at 07:09, Nicholas H.Tollervey 
<nt...@ntoll.org> wrote:
On 01/09/16 22:49, Chris Withers wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> What's the current state of play with job ads and this list?
>
> Last I knew, they weren't allowed. Seems to be the majority of list
> content now...
>
> Chris
>
> ___
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As people have mentioned, the consensus that I've seen is that posting a
job ad is fine so long as it's not recruiter spam.

Of course, recruiters advertising for a specific job with an appropriate
level of detail about the job in question (location, salary, expectation
of role, desired skills and experience, information about what the
company does) is also fine.

What is recruiter spam? How about, "exciting opportunity for Python
ninja in green-field project at one of London's most exciting employers"
is, IMHO, NOT welcome. It's just meaningless noise and probably
recruitment phishing.

Hope this helps,

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Re: [python-uk] job postings to this list

[Andy Robinson]

Chris, thanks for pointing out the new job site, which I had not
really clocked.

I have a question about pythonjobs.github.io  (assuming Steve Stagg
reads this list).  I'm looking at Jekyll / GitHub Pages for a number
of static sites for sports clubs, where we need to get them up and
running but really want zero administration.

  Pros:  just push, and GutHub rebuilds the live site for you in seconds
  Cons: faffing around with Ruby when I know Python, learning
templating systems "similar but different" to ones I know

With Hyde, do you have something rigged up to rebuild the site
automatically on pushing?  Or are you running a script on a dev
machine after the pull request, and pushing up all the generated HTML
files yourself?

Thanks,

Andy
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Re: [python-uk] job postings to this list

[Jon Ribbens]

On Fri, Sep 02, 2016 at 05:26:18PM +0200, Richard Barran wrote:
>This thread does sound like a meeting of the People's Front of Judea.
>(PS: and that’s my convoluted attempt at slipping a Monty Python reference
>into this mailing list)

Could we talk about top-posting instead please?
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Re: [python-uk] job postings to this list

[Nathan Jeffrey]

On Fri, 2 Sep 2016, 17:54 Jon Ribbens,  wrote:

>
> Could we talk about top-posting instead please?
>

I gave up on that fight a long, long time ago. You can't win. There are too
many of them.

- N

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Re: [python-uk] job postings to this list

[Steve Holden]

On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 5:45 PM, Jon Ribbens 
wrote:

> Could we talk about top-posting instead please?
>

Me too!

Steve Holden
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Re: [python-uk] job postings to this list

[Steve Holden]

To which the real geek solution would be to write a program that will
re-order top-posted replies. We could call it "sensiblising".

Steve Holden

On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 6:43 PM, Nathan Jeffrey 
wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Sep 2016, 17:54 Jon Ribbens, 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Could we talk about top-posting instead please?
>>
>
> I gave up on that fight a long, long time ago. You can't win. There are
> too many of them.
>
> - N
>
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Re: [python-uk] job postings to this list

[Stestagg]

Hi Andy

We use travis to build the site. You can see the travis yaml file and build
scripts in our repo:


https://github.com/pythonjobs/jobs/blob/master/.travis.yml

The scripts are a bit more complex than they need to be because I
segregated the actual job .md files out from the rest of the site
structure. For pythonjobs this is good because it makes it hard for people
to accidentally submit pull requests to the jobs repo that affect the
templates and general site structure. Plus we can manage the access
controls more carefully.

If you can make your repo public, I would recommend travis as a great way
to build your site.

If you've any questions, please ask on or off list.

Regards

Steve

On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 at 17:49, Andy Robinson  wrote:

> Chris, thanks for pointing out the new job site, which I had not
> really clocked.
>
> I have a question about pythonjobs.github.io  (assuming Steve Stagg
> reads this list).  I'm looking at Jekyll / GitHub Pages for a number
> of static sites for sports clubs, where we need to get them up and
> running but really want zero administration.
>
>   Pros:  just push, and GutHub rebuilds the live site for you in seconds
>   Cons: faffing around with Ruby when I know Python, learning
> templating systems "similar but different" to ones I know
>
> With Hyde, do you have something rigged up to rebuild the site
> automatically on pushing?  Or are you running a script on a dev
> machine after the pull request, and pushing up all the generated HTML
> files yourself?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andy
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Re: [python-uk] job postings to this list

[a.gra...@gmail.com]

I would start worrying when companies will stop posting job ads,
because of brexit

Have a nice weekend everyone :)

On 2 September 2016 at 19:30, Stestagg  wrote:
> Hi Andy
>
> We use travis to build the site. You can see the travis yaml file and build
> scripts in our repo:
>
>
> https://github.com/pythonjobs/jobs/blob/master/.travis.yml
>
> The scripts are a bit more complex than they need to be because I segregated
> the actual job .md files out from the rest of the site structure. For
> pythonjobs this is good because it makes it hard for people to accidentally
> submit pull requests to the jobs repo that affect the templates and general
> site structure. Plus we can manage the access controls more carefully.
>
> If you can make your repo public, I would recommend travis as a great way to
> build your site.
>
> If you've any questions, please ask on or off list.
>
> Regards
>
> Steve
>
> On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 at 17:49, Andy Robinson  wrote:
>>
>> Chris, thanks for pointing out the new job site, which I had not
>> really clocked.
>>
>> I have a question about pythonjobs.github.io  (assuming Steve Stagg
>> reads this list).  I'm looking at Jekyll / GitHub Pages for a number
>> of static sites for sports clubs, where we need to get them up and
>> running but really want zero administration.
>>
>>   Pros:  just push, and GutHub rebuilds the live site for you in seconds
>>   Cons: faffing around with Ruby when I know Python, learning
>> templating systems "similar but different" to ones I know
>>
>> With Hyde, do you have something rigged up to rebuild the site
>> automatically on pushing?  Or are you running a script on a dev
>> machine after the pull request, and pushing up all the generated HTML
>> files yourself?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Andy
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[python-uk] Static site generators with Python

[Andy Robinson]

Re-subjecting...

On 2 September 2016 at 19:30, Stestagg  wrote:
> Hi Andy
>
> We use travis to build the site. You can see the travis yaml file and build
> scripts in our repo:
...
> If you can make your repo public, I would recommend travis as a great way to
> build your site.
We can
> If you've any questions, please ask on or off list.

Thanks for this. I have never touched Travis, but it's time I learned.

If I understand correctly, it's a hosted service which can do pretty
much anything you want when it sees a commit; in this case
- pull from jobs repo
- generate output files
- push back the finished HTML up to the GitHub repo

?
Cool!

(Yes, I've been under a rock for about 10 years)

I am embarking on a rather ambitious project to modernise an entire
sport.  Thousands of clubs have the problem of somewhere between zero
and one webmasters at any one time, and the dynamic  things they need
to do - fixture lists, race results - can just about all he handled by
Javascript these days.  With some nice reusable widgets and standards,
no need for database server.  And GitHub solves the problem of letting
multiple people access the repo and write/edit stories with no coding
skill.

Speaking of which, is or was anyone on this site involved with
athletics or running?

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Re: [python-uk] Static site generators with Python

[Alistair Broomhead]

It's also worth looking at circleci and buildbot, where the latter is run
locally, which has its own pros and cons, and the former has had a lot of
hype because of support for parallelism. Travis has good integration with
slack though which is cool, and it has a lot of community support.

On Fri, 2 Sep 2016, 19:58 Andy Robinson,  wrote:

> Re-subjecting...
>
> On 2 September 2016 at 19:30, Stestagg  wrote:
> > Hi Andy
> >
> > We use travis to build the site. You can see the travis yaml file and
> build
> > scripts in our repo:
> ...
> > If you can make your repo public, I would recommend travis as a great
> way to
> > build your site.
> We can
> > If you've any questions, please ask on or off list.
>
> Thanks for this. I have never touched Travis, but it's time I learned.
>
> If I understand correctly, it's a hosted service which can do pretty
> much anything you want when it sees a commit; in this case
> - pull from jobs repo
> - generate output files
> - push back the finished HTML up to the GitHub repo
>
> ?
> Cool!
>
> (Yes, I've been under a rock for about 10 years)
>
> I am embarking on a rather ambitious project to modernise an entire
> sport.  Thousands of clubs have the problem of somewhere between zero
> and one webmasters at any one time, and the dynamic  things they need
> to do - fixture lists, race results - can just about all he handled by
> Javascript these days.  With some nice reusable widgets and standards,
> no need for database server.  And GitHub solves the problem of letting
> multiple people access the repo and write/edit stories with no coding
> skill.
>
> Speaking of which, is or was anyone on this site involved with
> athletics or running?
>
> - Andy
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Re: [python-uk] Static site generators with Python

[Andy Robinson]

On 2 September 2016 at 20:18, Alistair Broomhead
 wrote:
> It's also worth looking at circleci and buildbot, where the latter is run
> locally, which has its own pros and cons, and the former has had a lot of
> hype because of support for parallelism. Travis has good integration with
> slack though which is cool, and it has a lot of community support.

I was going to ask about Slack.   We're moving to a tech hub that uses
it.  Who's using it here?

My first reaction was that I'm not sure that I am looking for even
more ways for my team and clients to interrupt each other, but if it's
an overall time or culture win for the firms that have tried it, maybe
time to take the plunge.  I just had my first play and hooked up
GitHub to post slack on changes.  Looking ahead, we will have more
remote workers and collaborators.

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Re: [python-uk] Static site generators with Python

[Pepper R.]

Sent from my iPhone
On 2 Sep 2016, at 20:18, Alistair Broomhead 
mailto:alistair.broomh...@gmail.com>> wrote:


It's also worth looking at circleci and buildbot, where the latter is run 
locally, which has its own pros and cons, and the former has had a lot of hype 
because of support for parallelism. Travis has good integration with slack 
though which is cool, and it has a lot of community support.

Personally, I've preferred Circle over Travis purely on the basis that you can 
SSH into the build, which makes things much easier if you want to diagnose why 
something hasn't worked.


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Re: [python-uk] Static site generators with Python

[Alistair Broomhead]

I've used slack, as well as a few other messaging clients. I'd say that
unless you have any specific requirements it's the best I've used, the
integrations are fairly intuitive to set up, although i recommend separate
notification rooms rather than having everything spewed into rooms where
you might be trying to have a conversation.

At the end of the day whether it works depends on your team and what you're
trying to achieve.

On Fri, 2 Sep 2016, 20:29 Andy Robinson,  wrote:

> On 2 September 2016 at 20:18, Alistair Broomhead
>  wrote:
> > It's also worth looking at circleci and buildbot, where the latter is run
> > locally, which has its own pros and cons, and the former has had a lot of
> > hype because of support for parallelism. Travis has good integration with
> > slack though which is cool, and it has a lot of community support.
>
> I was going to ask about Slack.   We're moving to a tech hub that uses
> it.  Who's using it here?
>
> My first reaction was that I'm not sure that I am looking for even
> more ways for my team and clients to interrupt each other, but if it's
> an overall time or culture win for the firms that have tried it, maybe
> time to take the plunge.  I just had my first play and hooked up
> GitHub to post slack on changes.  Looking ahead, we will have more
> remote workers and collaborators.
>
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Re: [python-uk] Static site generators with Python

[Stestagg]

On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 7:57 PM Andy Robinson  wrote:

> Re-subjecting...
>
> On 2 September 2016 at 19:30, Stestagg  wrote:
> > Hi Andy
> >
> > We use travis to build the site. You can see the travis yaml file and
> build
> > scripts in our repo:
> ...
> > If you can make your repo public, I would recommend travis as a great
> way to
> > build your site.
> We can
> > If you've any questions, please ask on or off list.
>
> Thanks for this. I have never touched Travis, but it's time I learned.
>
> If I understand correctly, it's a hosted service which can do pretty
> much anything you want when it sees a commit; in this case
> - pull from jobs repo
> - generate output files
> - push back the finished HTML up to the GitHub repo
>
> ?
> Cool!
>
> (Yes, I've been under a rock for about 10 years)
>
> I am embarking on a rather ambitious project to modernise an entire
> sport.  Thousands of clubs have the problem of somewhere between zero
> and one webmasters at any one time, and the dynamic  things they need
> to do - fixture lists, race results - can just about all he handled by
> Javascript these days.  With some nice reusable widgets and standards,
> no need for database server.  And GitHub solves the problem of letting
> multiple people access the repo and write/edit stories with no coding
> skill.
>
> Speaking of which, is or was anyone on this site involved with
> athletics or running?
>
> - Andy
>

Yes, that's right, travis (and circleci, and the others..) basically just
spin up a container, check out the repo, and run the commands listed in the
travis.yml (or equivalent) in a full environment.

This allows us to pull, and even push, using secret tokens, to other git
repos (although that's not a very common use-case), install software, run
tests, and build the site.

One thing I would caution about is that github is not a CMS, and while it's
awesome and does DCVS really well, there is definitely a minimum level of
experience required to use it to submit a good pull request.  Simple things
like naming files correctly, editing online, cloning repos etc, are not
intuitive to people not used to these sort of workflows.

If your users are willing to learn/already know enough to understand what's
happening, then it's fine, but I would expect a certain amount of
frustration from the less technically oriented editors.  (Something of a
feature for pythonjobs, but I don't know if that's the case for athletics)

Finally, if you're thinking of doing this at scale, I'd recommend reaching
out to the github support team fairly early on. We did for pythonjobs, just
to check that what we were doing was a good idea, and they were very keen
on the idea, but opening a channel early on may help with any issues down
the line

Steve



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