Re: [python-uk] PyCamp UK !

2007-02-05 Thread Simon Brunning
On 2/3/07, Michael Sparks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Saturday 03 February 2007 19:42, Michael Foord wrote:
> > I would certainly be very interested in attending and helping with such
> > an event. It sounds like a great idea.
>
> Cool, I'll take that as a +1 :)

+1 from me too.

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Re: [python-uk] PyCamp UK !

2007-02-05 Thread Andy Robinson
>> Oh is this the IronPython book? Cool :) 
>>
>>   
> Yup.  Just completed the first draft of chapter 2.  Already behind 
> schedule. :-)

No worries, IronPython itself took a while AFAIR ;-)

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Re: [python-uk] PyCamp UK !

2007-02-05 Thread Andy Robinson
> I'm not sure August is actually the best time for people in the UK either - 
> since so many people go away then. My feeling is that the best time would be 
> sometime in early September - either 1/2 Sept or 8/9th Sept.
> 

+1.  Especially after August.

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[python-uk] [Ann] New user group

2007-02-05 Thread Andy McKay
We are just starting a new user group in the Northwest here called  
NorWeb, that has quite a python component to it:

http://norweb.cnuk.org/about/

Next chat is on the 16th about Django

http://norweb.cnuk.org/

Welcome one and all.
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Re: [python-uk] PyCamp UK !

2007-02-05 Thread Tim Golden
> Now, I've got an idea for a venue in Manchester[*] which could probably
> cater to about 50-70 people depending on how the rooms are laid out which
> would work out to something like £15 - £20 *without* sponsorship. If we
> can get sponsorship then that figure would go down or could maybe be
> redirected into arranging food or similar ?
>
>[*] http://www.manchesterdda.com/article/83/
>
> As a result, I'm wondering - is anyone else interested in co-convening
> such a beast? If there is, please email me back!

I think it's a great idea, and I'd love to be involved,
practicalities and commitments permitting. For some reason
I always find the other conferences on offer just a little
to overwhelming and/or costly to get me out of my seat. The
idea of a cheap, self-organising conference sounds up my street.

TJG
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Re: [python-uk] PyCamp UK !

2007-02-05 Thread Michael Sparks
On Monday 05 February 2007 12:19, Andy Robinson wrote:
> > I'm not sure August is actually the best time for people in the UK either
> > - since so many people go away then. My feeling is that the best time
> > would be sometime in early September - either 1/2 Sept or 8/9th Sept.
>
> +1.  Especially after August.

OK, I've now had more than a handful of positive replies which is Great! :)
So, this looks like a go and I'll kick this into motion - many thanks to
everyone who's offered to help - I'll reply individually shortly, as well as 
set something up for co-ordination.

There's a general view that September is preferable to August. 

As a result, I'm tempted to suggest either:
   * 8/9 Sept (my preference)
   * 15/16 Sept (possible clash for some with rails conf on 17/18)

As two possible dates. I'm not suggested 1/2 Sept now because I realised
that's the other weekend "attached" to the week with the august bank
holiday, and many people go away then.

Thoughts?


Michael.
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Re: [python-uk] [Ann] New user group

2007-02-05 Thread Michael Sparks
Hi Andy,


You might want to consider a crosslinking between the Geekup and NorWeb sites.
(Geekup is also a northwest user group and people have been coming from
across the northwest, so some loose co-ordination would probably a nice
idea :)

I'm sure Andrew & Dan would think its a good idea. 

   * http://geekup.org/

The next meet is on the 13th. I won't be there unfortunately because I'll be 
at a rehearsal - http://www.mugss.org/show/ .

There's also a (free) jobs board there, which would probably a good idea to 
link to: 
   * http://jobboard.geekup.org/

Just taken a look and there 2 jobs specific to Merseyside posted, so it'd 
probably be a good idea :)

I'll try and come along to a future meet if possible :)

Regards,


Michael.

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Re: [python-uk] [Ann] New user group

2007-02-05 Thread Andy McKay
Thanks, yeah we are actually posted on there and even wonder at this  
point if we need a seperate user group :) Thats what a bit of the  
user group meeting will be about.

> You might want to consider a crosslinking between the Geekup and  
> NorWeb sites.
> (Geekup is also a northwest user group and people have been coming  
> from
> across the northwest, so some loose co-ordination would probably a  
> nice
> idea :)
>
> I'm sure Andrew & Dan would think its a good idea.
>
>* http://geekup.org/
>
> The next meet is on the 13th. I won't be there unfortunately  
> because I'll be
> at a rehearsal - http://www.mugss.org/show/ .
>
> There's also a (free) jobs board there, which would probably a good  
> idea to
> link to:
>* http://jobboard.geekup.org/
>
> Just taken a look and there 2 jobs specific to Merseyside posted,  
> so it'd
> probably be a good idea :)
>
> I'll try and come along to a future meet if possible :)

Cool
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Re: [python-uk] [Ann] New user group

2007-02-05 Thread Simon Faulkner
Andy McKay wrote:
> We are just starting a new user group in the Northwest here called  
> NorWeb, that has quite a python component to it:
> 
> http://norweb.cnuk.org/about/
> 
> Next chat is on the 16th about Django

It says the 15th on the web?

http://norweb.cnuk.org/category/events/
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Re: [python-uk] [Ann] New user group

2007-02-05 Thread Andy McKay
> It says the 15th on the web?
>
> http://norweb.cnuk.org/category/events/

My apologies. As ever (well occasionally) the web is correct and my  
monday addled brain is incorrect.
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Re: [python-uk] [Ann] New user group

2007-02-05 Thread Simon Faulkner
Andy McKay wrote:
>> It says the 15th on the web?
>>
>> http://norweb.cnuk.org/category/events/
> 
> My apologies. As ever (well occasionally) the web is correct and my  
> monday addled brain is incorrect.

Cool, I *can* come :-)
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[python-uk] [OT] MU G&S (was: New user group)

2007-02-05 Thread Tim Golden
[Michael Sparks]
> I won't be there unfortunately because I'll
> be at a rehearsal - http://www.mugss.org/show/ .

Hey! Hope it goes well. If you look here:

http://www.mugss.org/history/1989/

You'll see my name down among the Chorus. It was
sort of accidental, because I'd been the orchestra
for Pirates the year before (http://www.mugss.org/history/1988/
but Orchestra don't get credited) but as orchestra you
don't get the atmosphere, so I went along to rehearsals
and ended up on stage before I realised!

(Slightly strangely, the guy playing Frederic there
also played the same role two years before at my
school, when I was in the orchestra as well).

Good luck with it when it comes; G&S is always fun.

TJG
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[python-uk] Yet Another UK Python Conference

2007-02-05 Thread Andy Robinson
I just spoke to John Pinner at Clocksoft on the phone - he's been off 
email for a couple of days and hasn't seen this thread.  He and others 
in the Midlands have been planning a UK event for a long time, and have 
venues lined up at around the same time - September (!). There is a 
meeting of some West Midlands user group on 24 Feb at which it will be 
discussed.

Apparently he will see Michael Sparks at an event tomorrow so hopefully 
they can figure out how to space these things out.

My 2p worth is that it would be great to have multiple events dotted 
around the country, especially if we can space them out a bit and none 
are so big that they knacker the organisers.

John, please ack if/when you get this through the mailing list

- Andy

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Re: [python-uk] Yet Another UK Python Conference

2007-02-05 Thread Zeth Green
Well I am happy to get involved in whatever is worked out. At least
one successful event would be the way forward, perhaps one year in one
two and one in another.

PS. I love the reportlab toolkit. Excel is dead.

On 05/02/07, Andy Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just spoke to John Pinner at Clocksoft on the phone - he's been off
> email for a couple of days and hasn't seen this thread.  He and others
> in the Midlands have been planning a UK event for a long time, and have
> venues lined up at around the same time - September (!). There is a
> meeting of some West Midlands user group on 24 Feb at which it will be
> discussed.
>
> Apparently he will see Michael Sparks at an event tomorrow so hopefully
> they can figure out how to space these things out.
>
> My 2p worth is that it would be great to have multiple events dotted
> around the country, especially if we can space them out a bit and none
> are so big that they knacker the organisers.
>
> John, please ack if/when you get this through the mailing list
>
> - Andy
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Re: [python-uk] Yet Another UK Python Conference

2007-02-05 Thread Zeth Green
On 05/02/07, Zeth Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> perhaps one year in one two and one in another.

= perhaps one year in one *town* and one year in another.
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Re: [python-uk] Yet Another UK Python Conference

2007-02-05 Thread Simon Faulkner
> = perhaps one year in one *town* and one year in another.

LOL, I just spent 3 mins trying to parse that!
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Re: [python-uk] PyCamp UK !

2007-02-05 Thread Michael Foord
Michael Sparks wrote:
> On Monday 05 February 2007 12:19, Andy Robinson wrote:
>   
>>> I'm not sure August is actually the best time for people in the UK either
>>> - since so many people go away then. My feeling is that the best time
>>> would be sometime in early September - either 1/2 Sept or 8/9th Sept.
>>>   
>> +1.  Especially after August.
>> 
>
> OK, I've now had more than a handful of positive replies which is Great! :)
> So, this looks like a go and I'll kick this into motion - many thanks to
> everyone who's offered to help - I'll reply individually shortly, as well as 
> set something up for co-ordination.
>
> There's a general view that September is preferable to August. 
>
> As a result, I'm tempted to suggest either:
>* 8/9 Sept (my preference)
>   
Sounds good to me... but then I barely know what I'm doing tomorrow. :-)

Fuzzyman
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/articles.shtml

>* 15/16 Sept (possible clash for some with rails conf on 17/18)
>
> As two possible dates. I'm not suggested 1/2 Sept now because I realised
> that's the other weekend "attached" to the week with the august bank
> holiday, and many people go away then.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> Michael.
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Re: [python-uk] PyCamp UK !

2007-02-05 Thread Richard Smedley
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:30:39 Michael Foord wrote:
> > As a result, I'm tempted to suggest either:
> >* 8/9 Sept (my preference)
> >   
> Sounds good to me... but then I barely know what I'm doing
> tomorrow. :-)

I barely know what I'm doing today but I think I have a reasonable
handle on September ;-)

I'd already written to Michael S off-list where, inter alia, I
favoured this date - despite the clash with LBW2007.

However I note that the W Mids Python group is planning something
similar at the same time, and the two parties are now sorting
out between them what will happen when, so at the very least we
will have a PyCamp this year and next year over the two
regions. We could even get two camps per year ;-)

Wherever and whenever, I trust we get a Zope track - it'll push
me to try and get the hang of it :^)

 - Richard



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Re: [python-uk] PyCamp UK !

2007-02-05 Thread Michael Foord
Richard Smedley wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:30:39 Michael Foord wrote:
>   
>>> As a result, I'm tempted to suggest either:
>>>* 8/9 Sept (my preference)
>>>   
>>>   
>> Sounds good to me... but then I barely know what I'm doing
>> tomorrow. :-)
>> 
>
> I barely know what I'm doing today but I think I have a reasonable
> handle on September ;-)
>
> I'd already written to Michael S off-list where, inter alia, I
> favoured this date - despite the clash with LBW2007.
>
>   
Cool.

I've been looking at the 'Open Space' stuff. It looks very interesting, 
but without an agenda or presentations I would be interested in knowing 
what the tangible goals of a Python 'unconference' would be?

Additionally:

* Would presentation equipment be available for groups that might find 
it useful ?
* Would coding be appropriate or expected for groups that wanted to ? 
(bring your own laptop...)

Fuzzyman
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/articles.shtml
> However I note that the W Mids Python group is planning something
> similar at the same time, and the two parties are now sorting
> out between them what will happen when, so at the very least we
> will have a PyCamp this year and next year over the two
> regions. We could even get two camps per year ;-)
>
> Wherever and whenever, I trust we get a Zope track - it'll push
> me to try and get the hang of it :^)
>
>  - Richard
>
>
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Re: [python-uk] PyCamp UK !

2007-02-05 Thread Zeth Green
On 05/02/07, Michael Foord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Would coding be appropriate or expected for groups that wanted to ?
> (bring your own laptop...)

Well John Pinner's plan is for a 'community conference' that includes
time and space for collaborative programming (i.e. a
sprint/Hackfests).

If people are staying in some kind of hotel or hostel then the
evenings always turn into that anyway! (Not always easy to understand
the results without the alcohol.)
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Re: [python-uk] PyCamp UK !

2007-02-05 Thread Michael Sparks
On Monday 05 February 2007 20:21, Richard Smedley wrote:
..
> I barely know what I'm doing today but I think I have a reasonable
> handle on September ;-)
>
> I'd already written to Michael S off-list where, inter alia, I
> favoured this date - despite the clash with LBW2007.

I have no idea what LBW is BTW. Leg Before Wicket 2007 doesn't make much
sense to me :-) 

:googles

Oh. That's a bit far for me (Never felt the inclination to go to that).

> However I note that the W Mids Python group is planning something
> similar at the same time, and the two parties are now sorting
> out between them what will happen when, so at the very least we
> will have a PyCamp this year and next year over the two
> regions. We could even get two camps per year ;-)

I chatted to John briefly at lunchtime today, and will be chatting with
him tomorrow about figuring out how to make this work. I think the plan 
initially is to find out what the aims of the two things are.

I have a feeling the two are complementary since it sounds like John's 
organising a conference and I'm organising an unconference. I'll hold on 
dates though until chatting with John.

At the end of the day, we'll clash with *something* that much is guaranteed,
however avoiding some of the more python & scripting language related things
is my primary aim.

Whilst Michael Foord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> I've been looking at the 'Open Space' stuff. It looks very interesting, 
> but without an agenda or presentations I would be interested in knowing 
> what the tangible goals of a Python 'unconference' would be?

This is something I'll be pulling together in the invite. (Given the low
level of upfront structure, the invite takes on much greater importance)
I know it sounds like it doesn't work, but it works surprisingly well.

> * Would presentation equipment be available for groups that might find 
> it useful ?

If the venue I suggested is large enough, it has presentation equipment.

> * Would coding be appropriate or expected for groups that wanted to ? 
> (bring your own laptop...)

Absolutely.


Michael.
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Re: [python-uk] [OT] MU G&S (was: New user group)

2007-02-05 Thread Michael Sparks
On Monday 05 February 2007 13:57, Tim Golden wrote:
> [Michael Sparks]
>
> > I won't be there unfortunately because I'll
> > be at a rehearsal - http://www.mugss.org/show/ .
>
> Hey! Hope it goes well. 

Thanks!

> If you look here: 
>
> http://www.mugss.org/history/1989/

Cool :-) So, you coming to see the show then? ;-)

> Good luck with it when it comes; G&S is always fun.

Many thanks - it's gonna be a blast this year :)


Michael.
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OK, on that topic, a relatively spammy mail, but if you're in the Manchester 
area, it'll be worthwhile.  (I hadn't intended to post this here because 
everyone is so spread out, but discovering Tim's an ex-Mugss, it seems 
worthwhile. It's probably not relevant to many, so please find it 
amusing/surreal instead :-)

(repost of mail to geekup)

Hi!


I'd like to invite you all to come and see a Bollywood inspired version of
"The Mikado" at the Royal Northern College of Music. It's being put on
by the award winning MUGSS society, and tickets start at a piffling £5 for
concessions or start at £8 for the rest of us :)

Why should you see it?

It's going to be FANTASTIC, with a chorus of dozens and dancing
numbers that just don't end. You'll never have seen The Mikado done
this way nor never again. Where else can you see a giant elephant on
stage in a light opera set in Japan? You can come and laugh at
me on stage :) You will enjoy it, and anyone else you bring will
too :)

When is it ? 

 From Valentine's day until the end of the week - Feb 14th - Feb 17th,
at 7:30pm, also with a  matinee on the 17th at 2:30, so you can bring
the kids, who are *bound* to love it :)

The matinee will also feature BSL signing.

Where can I get tickets?

Either speak to me and I can get them for you, and we can wraggle over 
concessions :) or book online using the RNCM's website. More info:
   * http://www.mugss.org/show/tickets/
   * http://tinyurl.com/2wtqj4 (link to RNCM website)

What's it about?

Well, The Mikado does have one of the more cogent plots of G&S, and
its essentially a love story of hope, despair, and courage. More info:
   * http://www.mugss.org/show/

Not interested? Please pass this on to someone who will be :)
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