UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xb7' in position 13: ordinal not in range(128)
Hi! Can anyone please help me getting rid of this error: UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xb7' in position 13: ordinal not in range(128) I am not a python programmer (though intend to start learning this wonderful language), I am just using a python script. After doing some search, I found that 0xb7 is a 'middle dot character' that is not interpreted by the python. Even after inserting text = text.replace('\u00b7', '') in the script, the problem still persists. Can anyone please tell me the easiest way to get rid of this? --Thanks, Akhil -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/UnicodeEncodeError%3A-%27ascii%27-codec-can%27t-encode-character-u%27%5Cxb7%27-in-position-13%3A-ordinal-not-in-range%28128%29-tp24509879p24509879.html Sent from the Python - python-list mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xb7' in position 13: ordinal not in range(128)
Well, All I get is this traceback: File "./customWikiExtractor.py", line 492, in ? main() File "./customWikiExtractor.py", line 480, in main print >> sys.stdout, 'line: %s' % line UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xb7' in position 13: ordinal not in range(128) I am giving a string to the python code as input, and python processes it like this: line = line.decode('utf-8').strip() After this when I do, print >> sys.stdout, 'line: %s' % line I get this Unicode error. I tried a few repairs, but they did not work like changing: in sgmmlib.py (/usr/lib64/python2.4/sgmmlib.py) if not 0 < n <= 255 to if not 0 < n <= 127 But since this did not work, I have changed it back to it's original form. --Thanks, Akhil Chris Rebert-6 wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 9:34 PM, akhil1988 wrote: >> >> Hi! >> >> Can anyone please help me getting rid of this error: >> UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xb7' in >> position >> 13: ordinal not in range(128) >> >> I am not a python programmer (though intend to start learning this >> wonderful >> language), I am just using a python script. >> >> After doing some search, I found that 0xb7 is a 'middle dot character' >> that >> is not interpreted by the python. >> Even after inserting text = text.replace('\u00b7', '') in the script, the >> problem still persists. >> >> Can anyone please tell me the easiest way to get rid of this? > > We'll need the full error traceback. The error message at the end is > just not enough information. > As to fixing it, google for "UnicodeEncodeError". You should find > about a million mailinglist threads on it. > > Cheers, > Chris > -- > http://blog.rebertia.com > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/UnicodeEncodeError%3A-%27ascii%27-codec-can%27t-encode-character-u%27%5Cxb7%27-in-position-13%3A-ordinal-not-in-range%28128%29-tp24509879p24510222.html Sent from the Python - python-list mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xb7' in position 13: ordinal not in range(128)
Sorry, it is sgmllib.py and not sgmmlib.py -- Akhil akhil1988 wrote: > > Well, > All I get is this traceback: > > File "./customWikiExtractor.py", line 492, in ? > main() > File "./customWikiExtractor.py", line 480, in main > print >> sys.stdout, 'line: %s' % line > UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xb7' in > position 13: ordinal not in range(128) > > I am giving a string to the python code as input, and python processes it > like this: > > line = line.decode('utf-8').strip() > > After this when I do, > print >> sys.stdout, 'line: %s' % line > I get this Unicode error. > > I tried a few repairs, but they did not work like > changing: in sgmmlib.py (/usr/lib64/python2.4/sgmmlib.py) > if not 0 < n <= 255 > to > if not 0 < n <= 127 > > But since this did not work, I have changed it back to it's original form. > > --Thanks, > Akhil > > > Chris Rebert-6 wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 9:34 PM, akhil1988 wrote: >>> >>> Hi! >>> >>> Can anyone please help me getting rid of this error: >>> UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xb7' in >>> position >>> 13: ordinal not in range(128) >>> >>> I am not a python programmer (though intend to start learning this >>> wonderful >>> language), I am just using a python script. >>> >>> After doing some search, I found that 0xb7 is a 'middle dot character' >>> that >>> is not interpreted by the python. >>> Even after inserting text = text.replace('\u00b7', '') in the script, >>> the >>> problem still persists. >>> >>> Can anyone please tell me the easiest way to get rid of this? >> >> We'll need the full error traceback. The error message at the end is >> just not enough information. >> As to fixing it, google for "UnicodeEncodeError". You should find >> about a million mailinglist threads on it. >> >> Cheers, >> Chris >> -- >> http://blog.rebertia.com >> -- >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list >> >> > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/UnicodeEncodeError%3A-%27ascii%27-codec-can%27t-encode-character-u%27%5Cxb7%27-in-position-13%3A-ordinal-not-in-range%28128%29-tp24509879p24510252.html Sent from the Python - python-list mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xb7' in position 13: ordinal not in range(128)
Chris, Using print (u'line: %s' % line).encode('utf-8') the 'line' gets printed, but actually this print statement I was using just for testing, actually my code operates on 'line', on which I use line = line.decode('utf-8') as 'line' is read as bytes from a stream. And if I use line = line.encode('utf-8'), I start getting other error like UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 4561: ordinal not in range(128) at line = line.replace('<<', u'«').replace('>>', u'»') --Akhil Chris Rebert-6 wrote: > >> Chris Rebert-6 wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 9:34 PM, akhil1988 wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> Can anyone please help me getting rid of this error: >>>> UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xb7' in >>>> position >>>> 13: ordinal not in range(128) >>>> >>>> I am not a python programmer (though intend to start learning this >>>> wonderful >>>> language), I am just using a python script. >>>> >>>> After doing some search, I found that 0xb7 is a 'middle dot character' >>>> that >>>> is not interpreted by the python. >>>> Even after inserting text = text.replace('\u00b7', '') in the script, >>>> the >>>> problem still persists. >>>> >>>> Can anyone please tell me the easiest way to get rid of this? >>> >>> We'll need the full error traceback. The error message at the end is >>> just not enough information. >>> As to fixing it, google for "UnicodeEncodeError". You should find >>> about a million mailinglist threads on it. > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:05 PM, akhil1988 wrote: >> >> Well, >> All I get is this traceback: >> >> File "./customWikiExtractor.py", line 492, in ? >> main() >> File "./customWikiExtractor.py", line 480, in main >>print >> sys.stdout, 'line: %s' % line >> UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xb7' in >> position >> 13: ordinal not in range(128) >> >> I am giving a string to the python code as input, and python processes it >> like this: >> >> line = line.decode('utf-8').strip() >> >> After this when I do, >> print >> sys.stdout, 'line: %s' % line >> I get this Unicode error. > > Try this instead (the ">> sys.stdout" part is redundant): > print (u'line: %s' % line).encode('utf8') > #if your system doesn't use UTF-8, change as necessary > > Cheers, > Chris > -- > http://blog.rebertia.com > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/UnicodeEncodeError%3A-%27ascii%27-codec-can%27t-encode-character-u%27%5Cxb7%27-in-position-13%3A-ordinal-not-in-range%28128%29-tp24509879p24510519.html Sent from the Python - python-list mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xb7' in position 13: ordinal not in range(128)
I have switched to python 3.1 , but now I am getting some syntax errors in the code: File "./customWikiExtractor.py", line 81 __char_entities = {' ' :u'\u00A0', '¡' :u'\u00A1', '¢':u'\u00A2', ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax line 81 is: __char_entities = {' ' :u'\u00A0', '¡' :u'\u00A1', '¢' :u'\u00A2', '£' :u'\u00A3', '¤':u'\u00A4', '¥' :u'\u00A5', '¦' :u'\u00A6', '§' :u'\u00A7', '¨' :u'\u00A8', '©' :u'\u00A9', 'ª' :u'\u00AA', '«' :u'\u00AB', '¬':u'\u00AC', '' :u'\u00AD', '®' :u'\u00AE', '¯' :u'\u00AF', '°' :u'\u00B0', '±' :u'\u00B1', '²' :u'\u00B2', '³' :u'\u00B3', '´' :u'\u00B4', 'µ' :u'\u00B5', '¶' :u'\u00B6', '·' :u'\u00B7', '¸' :u'\u00B8', '¹' :u'\u00B9', 'º':u'\u00BA',} --Akhil John Nagle-2 wrote: > > akhil1988 wrote: >> Sorry, it is sgmllib.py and not sgmmlib.py > > Oh, that bug again. See > > http://bugs.python.org/issue1651995 > > It's a bug in SGMLParser. When Python 2.5 restricted ASCII to 0..127, > SGMLParser needed to be modified, but wasn't. > > I reported that bug in February 2007. It was fixed in > Python 2.6 and 3.0 on March 31, 2009. > > John Nagle > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/UnicodeEncodeError%3A-%27ascii%27-codec-can%27t-encode-character-u%27%5Cxb7%27-in-position-13%3A-ordinal-not-in-range%28128%29-tp24509879p24514309.html Sent from the Python - python-list mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xb7' in position 13: ordinal not in range(128)
Please click reply on the post and then read this reply in the editor. Actually, some sequences have been replaced to their graphical form when this post is published. So the python code is being displayed, what actually it is not. --Akhil akhil1988 wrote: > > I have switched to python 3.1 , but now I am getting some syntax errors in > the code: > > File "./customWikiExtractor.py", line 81 > __char_entities = {' ' :u'\u00A0', '¡' :u'\u00A1', > '¢':u'\u00A2', > ^ > SyntaxError: invalid syntax > > line 81 is: > __char_entities = {' ' :u'\u00A0', '¡' :u'\u00A1', '¢' > :u'\u00A2', > '£' :u'\u00A3', '¤':u'\u00A4', > '¥' :u'\u00A5', > '¦' :u'\u00A6', '§' :u'\u00A7', > '¨' :u'\u00A8', > '©' :u'\u00A9', 'ª' :u'\u00AA', > '«' :u'\u00AB', > '¬':u'\u00AC', '' :u'\u00AD', > '®' :u'\u00AE', > '¯' :u'\u00AF', '°' :u'\u00B0', > '±' :u'\u00B1', > '²' :u'\u00B2', '³' :u'\u00B3', > '´' :u'\u00B4', > 'µ' :u'\u00B5', '¶' :u'\u00B6', > '·' :u'\u00B7', > '¸' :u'\u00B8', '¹' :u'\u00B9', > 'º':u'\u00BA',} > > --Akhil > > > John Nagle-2 wrote: >> >> akhil1988 wrote: >>> Sorry, it is sgmllib.py and not sgmmlib.py >> >> Oh, that bug again. See >> >> http://bugs.python.org/issue1651995 >> >> It's a bug in SGMLParser. When Python 2.5 restricted ASCII to 0..127, >> SGMLParser needed to be modified, but wasn't. >> >> I reported that bug in February 2007. It was fixed in >> Python 2.6 and 3.0 on March 31, 2009. >> >> John Nagle >> -- >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list >> >> > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/UnicodeEncodeError%3A-%27ascii%27-codec-can%27t-encode-character-u%27%5Cxb7%27-in-position-13%3A-ordinal-not-in-range%28128%29-tp24509879p24514367.html Sent from the Python - python-list mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xb7' in position 13: ordinal not in range(128)
Hi, Thanks all for the replies. I am working on a cluster of 15 nodes and I have now installed python 3.1 on all of them. I tried installing python2.6 but there was some make error. So, I do not want to give more time in installing 2.4 and rather use 3.1 but for that I need to convert my 2.4 code to 3.1. I used 2to3 tool, and it did make many changes in the 2.4 code, but still there are some indentation errors that I am unable to resolve being new to python. I have attached my python code, can anyone please fix the indentation error in the code. I am using vi editor. --Thanks a lot, Akhil http://www.nabble.com/file/p24522412/temp.py temp.py alex23 wrote: > > On Jul 16, 9:00 pm, akhil1988 wrote: >> I have switched to python 3.1 , but now I am getting some syntax errors >> in >> the code: > > Python 3.x was a major release that endeavoured to clean up a number > of lingering issues with the language, the upshot being that it isn't > entirely backwards compatible with past versions. Unicode became the > default string type, which is what is causing the error here: the u- > prefix is no longer required (or even allowed). > > However, Py3.x _does_ come with a handy tool for automatically > converting Python 2.x code to 3.x, called 2to3. One of the things it > should do is convert Py2.x unicode values into their correct > representation in 3.x. > > With any luck, it should be able to convert the code you're using > entirely. Let us know how it goes. > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/UnicodeEncodeError%3A-%27ascii%27-codec-can%27t-encode-character-u%27%5Cxb7%27-in-position-13%3A-ordinal-not-in-range%28128%29-tp24509879p24522412.html Sent from the Python - python-list mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xb7' in position 13: ordinal not in range(128)
ok! I got the indentation errors fixed. Bu I get another error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "./temp.py", line 484, in main() File "./temp.py", line 476, in main line.decode('utf-8').strip() AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'decode' I am using Python3.1 Thanks Akhil akhil1988 wrote: > > Hi, > > Thanks all for the replies. > > I am working on a cluster of 15 nodes and I have now installed python 3.1 > on all of them. I tried installing python2.6 but there was some make > error. So, I do not want to give more time in installing 2.4 and rather > use 3.1 but for that I need to convert my 2.4 code to 3.1. > > I used 2to3 tool, and it did make many changes in the 2.4 code, but still > there are some indentation errors that I am unable to resolve being new to > python. I have attached my python code, can anyone please fix the > indentation error in the code. I am using vi editor. > > --Thanks a lot, > Akhil http://www.nabble.com/file/p24522412/temp.py temp.py > > > alex23 wrote: >> >> On Jul 16, 9:00 pm, akhil1988 wrote: >>> I have switched to python 3.1 , but now I am getting some syntax errors >>> in >>> the code: >> >> Python 3.x was a major release that endeavoured to clean up a number >> of lingering issues with the language, the upshot being that it isn't >> entirely backwards compatible with past versions. Unicode became the >> default string type, which is what is causing the error here: the u- >> prefix is no longer required (or even allowed). >> >> However, Py3.x _does_ come with a handy tool for automatically >> converting Python 2.x code to 3.x, called 2to3. One of the things it >> should do is convert Py2.x unicode values into their correct >> representation in 3.x. >> >> With any luck, it should be able to convert the code you're using >> entirely. Let us know how it goes. >> -- >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list >> >> > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/UnicodeEncodeError%3A-%27ascii%27-codec-can%27t-encode-character-u%27%5Cxb7%27-in-position-13%3A-ordinal-not-in-range%28128%29-tp24509879p24523113.html Sent from the Python - python-list mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xb7' in position 13: ordinal not in range(128)
Then, how should I do it? I read a byte string from sys.stdin which needs to converted to unicode string for further processing. I cannot just remove the decode statement and proceed? This is it what it looks like: for line in sys.stdin: line = line.decode('utf-8').strip() if line == '': #do something here elsif #do something here If I remove the decode statement, line == '' never gets true. --Akhil Piet van Oostrum wrote: > >>>>>> akhil1988 (a) wrote: > >>a> ok! >>a> I got the indentation errors fixed. Bu I get another error: > >>a> Traceback (most recent call last): >>a> File "./temp.py", line 484, in >>a> main() >>a> File "./temp.py", line 476, in main >>a> line.decode('utf-8').strip() >>a> AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'decode' > >>a> I am using Python3.1 > > In Python 3 you can't decode strings because they are Unicode strings > and it doesn't make sense to decode a Unicode string. You can only > decode encoded things which are byte strings. So you are mixing up byte > strings and Unicode strings. > -- > Piet van Oostrum > URL: http://pietvanoostrum.com [PGP 8DAE142BE17999C4] > Private email: p...@vanoostrum.org > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/UnicodeEncodeError%3A-%27ascii%27-codec-can%27t-encode-character-u%27%5Cxb7%27-in-position-13%3A-ordinal-not-in-range%28128%29-tp24509879p24525761.html Sent from the Python - python-list mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xb7' in position 13: ordinal not in range(128)
Well, you were write: unintentionally I removed strip(). But the problem does not ends here: I get this error now: File "./temp.py", line 488, in main() File "./temp.py", line 475, in main for line in sys.stdin: File "/usr/local/lib/python3.1/codecs.py", line 300, in decode (result, consumed) = self._buffer_decode(data, self.errors, final) UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode bytes in position 0-2: invalid data for this line: â --Akhil Nobody-38 wrote: > > On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:43:37 -0700, akhil1988 wrote: > >>> In Python 3 you can't decode strings because they are Unicode strings >>> and it doesn't make sense to decode a Unicode string. You can only >>> decode encoded things which are byte strings. So you are mixing up byte >>> strings and Unicode strings. >> >> Then, how should I do it? >> I read a byte string from sys.stdin which needs to converted to unicode >> string for further processing. > > In 3.x, sys.stdin (stdout, stderr) are text streams, which means that they > read and write Unicode strings, not byte strings. > >> I cannot just remove the decode statement and >> proceed? >> >> This is it what it looks like: >> >> for line in sys.stdin: >> line = line.decode('utf-8').strip() >> if line == '': #do something here >> elsif #do something here >> >> If I remove the decode statement, line == '' never gets true. > > Did you inadvertently remove the strip() as well? > > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/UnicodeEncodeError%3A-%27ascii%27-codec-can%27t-encode-character-u%27%5Cxb7%27-in-position-13%3A-ordinal-not-in-range%28128%29-tp24509879p24528030.html Sent from the Python - python-list mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xb7' in position 13: ordinal not in range(128)
Thanks Nobody-38, it solved my problem immediately. --Thanks Again, Akhil Nobody-38 wrote: > > On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:26:39 -0700, akhil1988 wrote: > >> Well, you were write: unintentionally I removed strip(). But the problem >> does >> not ends here: >> >> I get this error now: >> >> File "./temp.py", line 488, in >> main() >> File "./temp.py", line 475, in main >> for line in sys.stdin: >> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.1/codecs.py", line 300, in decode >> (result, consumed) = self._buffer_decode(data, self.errors, final) >> UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode bytes in position 0-2: >> invalid >> data >> >> for this line: >> â > > Right. You're running in a locale whose encoding is UTF-8, but feeding > data which isn't valid UTF-8 to stdin. If you want to use data with a > different encoding, you need to replace sys.stdin, e.g.: > > import sys > import io > sys.stdin = io.TextIOWrapper(sys.stdin.detach(), encoding = 'iso-8859-1') > > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/UnicodeEncodeError%3A-%27ascii%27-codec-can%27t-encode-character-u%27%5Cxb7%27-in-position-13%3A-ordinal-not-in-range%28128%29-tp24509879p24550497.html Sent from the Python - python-list mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xb7' in position 13: ordinal not in range(128)
Thanks David, it solved my problem immediately. I will follow your advise from next time but honestly I am new to python with not much knowledge about text formats. And the main portion of my project was not to deal with these, so I just wanted to get this solved as I was already struck at this for 2 days. If you think I am wrong in my approach to getting problems solved, please let me know. Your advise would be helpful in future for me. --Thanks Again, Akhil Scott David Daniels wrote: > > akhil1988 wrote: > > >> Nobody-38 wrote: >>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:43:37 -0700, akhil1988 wrote: > ... >>>>> In Python 3 you can't decode strings because they are Unicode strings >>>>> and it doesn't make sense to decode a Unicode string. You can only >>>>> decode encoded things which are byte strings. So you are mixing up >>>>> byte >>>>> strings and Unicode strings. >>>> ... I read a byte string from sys.stdin which needs to converted to >>>> unicode >>>> string for further processing. >>> In 3.x, sys.stdin (stdout, stderr) are text streams, which means that >>> they >>> read and write Unicode strings, not byte strings. >>> >>>> I cannot just remove the decode statement and proceed? >>>> This is it what it looks like: >>>> for line in sys.stdin: >>>> line = line.decode('utf-8').strip() >>>> if line == '': #do something here >>>> >>>> If I remove the decode statement, line == '' never gets true. >>> Did you inadvertently remove the strip() as well? >> ... unintentionally I removed strip() >> I get this error now: >> File "./temp.py", line 488, in >> main() >> File "./temp.py", line 475, in main >> for line in sys.stdin: >> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.1/codecs.py", line 300, in decode >> (result, consumed) = self._buffer_decode(data, self.errors, final) >> UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode bytes in position 0-2: >> invalid >> data > > (1) Do not top post. > (2) Try to fully understand the problem and proposed solution, rather > than trying to get people to tell you just enough to get your code > going. > (3) The only way sys.stdin can possibly return unicode is to do some > decoding of its own. your job is to make sure it uses the correct > decoding. So, if you know your source is always utf-8, try > something like: > > import sys > import io > > sys.stdin = io.TextIOWrapper(sys.stdin.detach(), encoding='utf8') > > for line in sys.stdin: > line = line.strip() > if line == '': > #do something here > > > --Scott David Daniels > scott.dani...@acm.org > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/UnicodeEncodeError%3A-%27ascii%27-codec-can%27t-encode-character-u%27%5Cxb7%27-in-position-13%3A-ordinal-not-in-range%28128%29-tp24509879p24550540.html Sent from the Python - python-list mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list