Fwd: Newcomer Help
I am new to Python programming, actually new to any programming language. I sent the email below to the "pythonmac-...@python.org a few days ago. So far I have not seen a reply, actually, I have not seen anything from pythonmac in any emails although I am supposed to be a member. I don't know if I am sending these to the correct place or if I am not receiving emails from the pythonmac list. I would appreciate any assistance either in how do I get to the pythonmac list or answers to the issue below. I went to the pythonmac list because I am trying to run Python 3.3 on a Mac computer. Thank you, Walter - Original Message - From: "Walter Hughey" To: pythonmac-...@python.org Sent: Friday, February 7, 2014 11:54:49 AM Subject: Newcomer Help Greetings, I am new at Python programming, technically a newbie at writing programming code. I have been involved in the maintenance of computers for several years and have decided to increase my knowledge and experience. I am taking a course that - although not a programming course - does require writing of code. I am trying to use Python to write the code. I use a Mac computer and the first issue is getting working with Python. The computer I currently use is running Mac OS X 10.6.8, Intel Core i5 Processor, with 4GB RAM. It has Python 2.3, 2.5, and 2.6 installed by Apple. I have added Python 3.3, the version our Professor recommended. I have checked out the Python installed by Apple and can enter in code and it works, but I need to create a file, run it, and then provide it for the Professor to grade and I don't know how with the Apple installed version. While reading about Python, I saw comments about the note concerning outdated software: If you are using Python from a python.org 64-bit/32-bit Python installer for Mac OS X 10.6 and later , you should only use IDLE or tkinter with an updated third-party Tcl/Tk 8.5, like ActiveTcl 8.5 installed. I located, downloaded and installed the recommended version of ActiveTcl 8.5.15.0. When I open Idle, I see a warning that "The version of Tcl/Tk (8.5.7) in use may be unstable." I received this warning both before and after installing the software above. I open Idle, choose "New File" then most often the computer will freeze, Idle does nothing, cannot enter text into the text box, cannot close the application either with the red circle or by selecting Idle>Close Idle. As often as that, Idle freezes as soon as I open new file, and I cannot close without resorting to Force Quit. I have removed and re-installed Python after downloading and installing the Tcl/Tk software and it does not help. I have seen this work fine on a Mac running Mac OS X 10.8.3. I really just need to get this working on the older version. A am not only new to Python, I am new on this list and hope I have started my stay here in the correct manner! Thank you, Walter -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Newcomer Help
Thank you for your reply. One quick question, when I reply should it be replay to all or to the person who sent the emial? Apple does install a version of Python, normally a somewhat older version. My computer has 2.5 and 2.6 installed and I have opened it and inserted code that works. I do need a way to write the code, test it, and then save a copy to turn in for the assignment. I was not aware that a normal text editor would work. I shall definitely look at that later today. Walter - Original Message - From: "Rustom Mody" To: python-list@python.org Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 11:07:14 AM Subject: Re: Newcomer Help On Monday, February 10, 2014 9:40:22 PM UTC+5:30, Walter Hughey wrote: > I am new to Python programming, actually new to any programming language. I > sent the email below to the "python...@python.org a few days ago. So far I > have not seen a reply, actually, I have not seen anything from pythonmac in > any emails although I am supposed to be a member. > > > I don't know if I am sending these to the correct place or if I am not > receiving emails from the pythonmac list. I would appreciate any assistance > either in how do I get to the pythonmac list or answers to the issue below. I > went to the pythonmac list because I am trying to run Python 3.3 on a Mac > computer. > > > Thank you, > > > Walter > > From: "Walter Hughey" > To: python...@python.org > Sent: Friday, February 7, 2014 11:54:49 AM > Subject: Newcomer Help > > > Greetings, > I am new at Python programming, technically a newbie at writing programming > code. I have been involved in the maintenance of computers for several years > and have decided to increase my knowledge and experience. I am taking a > course that - although not a programming course - does require writing of > code. I am trying to use Python to write the code. > > I use a Mac computer and the first issue is getting working with Python. The > computer I currently use is running Mac OS X 10.6.8, Intel Core i5 Processor, > with 4GB RAM. It has Python 2.3, 2.5, and 2.6 installed by Apple. I have > added Python 3.3, the version our Professor recommended. I have checked out > the Python installed by Apple and can enter in code and it works, but I need > to create a file, run it, and then provide it for the Professor to grade and > I don't know how with the Apple installed version. > > While reading about Python, I saw comments about the note concerning outdated > software: If you are using Python from a python.org > 64-bit/32-bit Python installer for Mac OS X 10.6 and later, > you should only use IDLE or tkinter with an updated > third-party Tcl/Tk 8.5, like > ActiveTcl 8.5 > installed. > > I located, downloaded and installed the recommended version of ActiveTcl > 8.5.15.0. When I open Idle, I see a warning that "The version of Tcl/Tk > (8.5.7) in use may be unstable." I received this warning both before and > after installing the software above. I open Idle, choose "New File" then most > often the computer will freeze, Idle does nothing, cannot enter text into the > text box, cannot close the application either with the red circle or by > selecting Idle>Close Idle. As often as that, Idle freezes as soon as I open > new file, and I cannot close without resorting to Force Quit. > > I have removed and re-installed Python after downloading and installing the > Tcl/Tk software and it does not help. I have seen this work fine on a Mac > running Mac OS X 10.8.3. I really just need to get this working on the older > version. > > A am not only new to Python, I am new on this list and hope I have started my > stay here in the correct manner! > Hi! You have started on a clear note and are welcome here. I dont know anything about macs so hopefully someone else will give you more specific answers. However can you check that python interpreter runs in a shell, and that after starting it if you type say: 2 + 3 RETURN you get 5 If that is the case you can still develop the way most python programmers develop, viz Write your code in a normal text editor Load it into the interpreter Check it Go back to the editor and continue writing/correcting the code -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Newcomer Help
No, Gisle Vanem - I do NOT get the picture. First of all you did NOT answer my question. And this is the way I always have - and the people I typically respond to - respond to emails. Check the end - if that is where you expect me to enter any additional info. - Original Message - From: "Gisle Vanem" To: "Walter Hughey" Cc: python-list@python.org Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 4:13:44 PM Subject: Re: Newcomer Help "Walter Hughey" wrote: > Thank you for your reply. One quick question, when > I reply should it be replay to all or to the person who sent the emial? When replying, the most important thing to remember is... order. A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is it such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Get the picture now newcomer? --gv -- this crap came from you - > > > Apple does install a version of Python, normally a somewhat older version. My > computer has 2.5 and 2.6 installed and I have opened > it and inserted code that works. I do need a way to write the code, test it, > and then save a copy to turn in for the assignment. I > was not aware that a normal text editor would work. I shall definitely look > at that later today. > > > Walter > - Original Message - > > From: "Rustom Mody" > To: python-list@python.org > Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 11:07:14 AM > Subject: Re: Newcomer Help > > On Monday, February 10, 2014 9:40:22 PM UTC+5:30, Walter Hughey wrote: >> I am new to Python programming, actually new to any programming language. I >> sent the email below to the "python...@python.org a >> few days ago. So far I have not seen a reply, actually, I have not seen >> anything from pythonmac in any emails although I am >> supposed to be a member. >> >> >> I don't know if I am sending these to the correct place or if I am not >> receiving emails from the pythonmac list. I would >> appreciate any assistance either in how do I get to the pythonmac list or >> answers to the issue below. I went to the pythonmac >> list because I am trying to run Python 3.3 on a Mac computer. >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> >> Walter >> >> From: "Walter Hughey" >> To: python...@python.org >> Sent: Friday, February 7, 2014 11:54:49 AM >> Subject: Newcomer Help >> >> >> Greetings, >> I am new at Python programming, technically a newbie at writing programming >> code. I have been involved in the maintenance of >> computers for several years and have decided to increase my knowledge and >> experience. I am taking a course that - although not a >> programming course - does require writing of code. I am trying to use Python >> to write the code. >> >> I use a Mac computer and the first issue is getting working with Python. The >> computer I currently use is running Mac OS X 10.6.8, >> Intel Core i5 Processor, with 4GB RAM. It has Python 2.3, 2.5, and 2.6 >> installed by Apple. I have added Python 3.3, the version >> our Professor recommended. I have checked out the Python installed by Apple >> and can enter in code and it works, but I need to >> create a file, run it, and then provide it for the Professor to grade and I >> don't know how with the Apple installed version. >> >> While reading about Python, I saw comments about the note concerning >> outdated software: If you are using Python from a python.org >> 64-bit/32-bit Python installer for Mac OS X 10.6 and later, >> you should only use IDLE or tkinter with an updated >> third-party Tcl/Tk 8.5, like >> ActiveTcl 8.5 >> installed. >> >> I located, downloaded and installed the recommended version of ActiveTcl >> 8.5.15.0. When I open Idle, I see a warning that "The >> version of Tcl/Tk (8.5.7) in use may be unstable." I received this warning >> both before and after installing the software above. I >> open Idle, choose "New File" then most often the computer will freeze, Idle >> does nothing, cannot enter text into the text box, >> cannot close the application either with the red circle or by selecting >> Idle>Close Idle. As often as that, Idle freezes as soon >> as I open new file, and I cannot close without resorting to Force Quit. >> >> I have removed and re-installed Python after downloading and installing the >> Tcl/Tk software and it does not help. I have seen >> this work fine on a Mac running Mac OS X 10.8.3. I really just
Re: Newcomer Help
- Original Message -
From: "Chris Angelico"
Cc: "Python-List"
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 3:22:57 PM
Subject: Re: Newcomer Help
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Tim Delaney
wrote:
> On 13 February 2014 02:17, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> I've always worked in corporations where the email "culture" is the
>> Microsoft-induced "lazy and stupid" style as you describe.
ChrisA
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I am addressing this to the entire site - I thinks. And this will be my final
answer on this subject.
It remains to be seen if I remain on this site or tell all good bye.
For the most part, the few people who responded have responded in a polite
manner,
in an attempt to help me understand how this site works. And I have tried to
fall into line when
responding to emails. It probably appeared to some I was not trying to get on
board but this
is a significant change to the 20+years of my being involved in emails.
And yes Gisle Vanem, in spite of your doubts, I have been involved in emails in
excess of 20 years.
I suppose most of that has been in the "Microsoft-induced 'lazy and stupid'
style" as identified by
{Grant Edward}. However, I have responded to news lists and email groups
previously.
As I have stated, most people have been kind and helpful. Some have addressed
my lack of conformance
to the policies and procedures and have attempted to instruct me in a polite
manner. To those I say
Thank You for your understanding and attempts to help me.
Some have provided answers to the initial issues I had. And as a novice to
programming, I do
appreciate their assistance. I have not attempted all the possible fixes yet
but I will i the
near future. I say Thank You to each of you.
To those who responded in a much less friendly attitude, even at times coming
across in a very rude
manner - I really have nothing to say. You have not attempted to help resolve
my initial issues and
your attitudes have caused me to feel this is not a place where I can learn
much. Yes, there is a lot
I could learn, but some attitudes make me desire to no longer be involved in
discussions.
Walter
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