Re: Experience regarding Python tutorials?
Python is a very good place to start. However,Perl isn't a bad place to start either. Perl has a gazillion ways to express yourself. Perl is overly complicated (yet easy to get started with), so you are exposed to numerous ways to think. Perl gives you 8 million different sized and colored ropes to hang yourself with (google TMTOWTDI), so Perl will teach you to BE CAREFUL. The O'Reilly Perl books are excellent. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Flash Python
Comical new updated link http://sonomasunshine.com/sonomasunshine/index_sunshine.php?pagename=ufo_and_more -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Embedding an Application in a Web browser
Didn't ActiveState or somebody have a Python plugin to run Python on IE? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Embedding an Application in a Web browser
Perhaps IronPython could be hacked in somehow also? Seems like it might could. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Embedding an Application in a Web browser
Perhaps IronPython could be hacked in somehow also? Seems like it might could. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python and Flash
Why not just have the Python on the server send a JSON string to the Flash ap? Easy easy. Just use LoadVars on the Flash side. All that SOAP and XML-RPC sounds might be an needless overcomplication. Sam the Gardener http://sonomasunshine.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python and Flash
PS. Here is an example... http://sonomasunshine.com/sonomasunshine/FrontPage.html -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python and Flash
PS. Here is an example... http://sonomasunshine.com/sonomasunshine/FrontPage.html -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python and Flash
I aint a professional coder, but a gardener. However, the Flash->JSON->Python technique works. It is poorly coded, but it is IMO a very simple way to integrate Flash and Python compared to the methods normally suggested on the net. The HTML is just some junk thrown up for people with lower tech browsers without much thought or consideration. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python and Flash
By the way Sybren, if you don't mind, what kinda computer and browser were you using, trying to figure out which browsers get redirected to html and which get the Flash Site. If you have Flash plugin, what version was it? Thanks, Sam the Gardener -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
TurboGears on Summer Madness
Here is a new style of SonomaSunshine page, edited and created with TurboGears. It's a bloated file, but it's comical. Note - Links with words stay on page,links without words are random links to other sites. Visiting Monkey City first is recommended. As always, LIVE FROM LA!!! http://samfeltus.com/as3/summer_madness_on_tg.html Sam the Gardener http://samfeltus.com/site_index.htm -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
SonomaSunshine Get's a Little Peppier
http://samfeltus.com/as3/codetalking.html SonomaSunshine - The Redneck Riviera's Best Python Powered Folk Art Server :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: SonomaSunshine Get's a Little Peppier
The TurboGears app from Outer Space... Sam the Gardener http://samfeltus.com/as3/codetalking3.html -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Why PHP is so much more popular for web-development
PHP is just a more inclusive community. The PHP community is more concerned with the casual user and the end user. This is PHP's core strength, and one of Python's core weaknesses. The Python community would be wise to adopt PHP's concern for the end user. That being said, I don't think you will find PHP easier than Python. I think the reverse is true, except in the simplest cases. Also, Python is economical and easy to use if you go with a Python centric web host, such as Web Faction. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Why PHP is so much more popular for web-development
I don't suggest Python is unconcerned with the casual user and the end user, only that this is where PHP's community excels. Learnig both as a newbie, I actually found PHP more confusing and difficult than Python. Programming in PHP reminds me of a game of trivial pursuit. Once you know a little Python, you can often guess how something new is going to be before you see it. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
ANN: SonomaSunshine for Django v0.01
Presented for your amusement, with source code for the first time!!! LOL The Redneck Riviera's Best Python Powered Folk Art Server... SonomaSunshine v0.01 for Django Django application for creating/editing Shiny/Happy Flash movies. http://samfeltus.com/django/hey_yall.html -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Summer Comic Relief in Python
SonomaSunshine runs well on Django now... http://samfeltus.com/django/DjangoSummer.html (Use flowers to navigate to 10 scenes, no preloader, ~6mb) SonomaSunshine, the Redneck Riviera's Best Python Powered Folk Art Server, makes it easy to generate Cartoonish backdrops for Flash movies in Django... There will be a debugged alpha version out this week... Sam the Gardener :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Requirements For A Visualization Software System For 2010
It would be interesting to see a computer language include such functionality from the ground up. If these were core features of a language, you'd have something wicked cool, and not just a new language retreading the same features and functionality. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
SonomaSunshine Update
SonomaSunshine has been updated... It's a Python powered tool to generate and edit 21st Century Redneck Folk Art... http://samfeltus.com/as3/mardi_gras.html http://samfeltus.com/site_index.html -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Kudzu Version of SonomaSunshine
Funkiest SonomaSunshine page ever... A slim, trim 30ish MB page, leaves time for fetching a beer or some coffee. Takes about 10 minutes to watch. Yet another example of using Django to generate frilly, colorful Flash pages instead of more of that hypertext stuff... :) http://samfeltus.com/kudzu/KudzuMan.html ### http://samfeltus.com/site_index.html -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: ANN: PyInkblot - Creating Rorschach Inkblots using Genetic Algorithms
I suspect you could make it visually far more interesting if you replaced the colored pixels with colorful images, and mapped the images on a grid using Flash. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Commentary on Python 411 - Web 3.0 and Nanoprogramming
Here's an interesting Podcast musing on the possible future of Python and computing, illustrated and commentated by SonomaSunshine... Enjoy... http://samfeltus.com/kudzu/Nanoprogramming_podcast.html -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Commentary on Python 411 - Web 3.0 and Nanoprogramming
"""I work right across from the Nanosystems Institute, and now this! You know, having studied a lot of microbiology in college, I can't fathom the thought of being outdone. So I'm going to start doing femtoruminating, which reduces thought to its most fundamental particle, the mor-on. """ Perhaps, but Python libraries are deficient in facilities for generating shiny, frilly flashy thingies for the web... It's Sunday in Alabama, think I'll goto the Gulf and drink beer on the beach... :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python web frameworks + adobe flex
I never used the Django AMF, I use JSON to go between Python and Flex. It works well, but lacks easy 2 way communication of course. Interfacing with Flex is a gaping hole in the Python libraries. Python needs a web framework that embraces Flex from the ground up, HTML being such a limited web display technology. There's not much of a standard for Python and Flex, and in a short period of time, you have to start rolling your own. That being said, Django and Flex do blend well. On Nov 21, 7:25 am, "Sells, Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > slight shift of topic here. > > I'm a newbie at standard web stuff. Mostly java webstart and a little > mod_python. > > I experimented with Adobe Flex and really loved it for doing the front end. > The backend needs to provide xml, json or AMF (an adobe proprietary binary > format). For prototyping, I was able to put xml or json responses in text > files and used that to work out the UI and do some cool demos. But I never > got past prototyping, getting stuck in the "which python webfamework is best" > mobius loop. > > My Question: Does anyone have experience with Flex+Python and especially with > Adobe's AMF. I've got some time to try to setup a "standard" and am a bit > short on hands-on experinece. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python web frameworks
"""Perhaps we need a pythonic FRONTEND. """ Should have happened years ago. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Python - Web Display Technology
I am trying to figure out why so little web development in Python uses Flash as a display technology. It seems most Python applications choose HTML/CSS/JS as the display technology, yet Flash is a far more powerful and elegant display technology. On the other hand, HTML/JS seems clunky and antiquated. I am a gardener, and not a coder by trade, but Flash seems to integrate just fine with Python. Anyways, what are the technical reasons for this? http://SamFeltus.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python - Web Display Technology
I guess there isn't much to understand. If you are satisfied with a text based, static image web, that is light on artistic possabilities, all that HTML stuff is acceptable. Perhaps the HTML/JS group will even get off their rear ends and bring some decent cross platform graphics capabilities to the web one decade? Perhaps even bring some 90's style graphics to the browser one decade? WC3 at Work - Beware Falling Luddites -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python - Web Display Technology
I guess there isn't much to understand. If you are satisfied with a text based, static image web, that is light on artistic possabilities, all that HTML stuff is acceptable. Perhaps the HTML/JS group will even get off their rear ends and bring some decent cross platform graphics capabilities to the web one decade? Perhaps even bring some 90's style graphics to the browser one decade? WC3 at Work - Beware Falling Luddites -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python - Web Display Technology
I am in agreement that open standards are better. I also wish the open standards bodies would work more creatively, to bring us the most advanced standards, and not some echo of yesterdays technology. But, too me, saying No Flash is saying No Source if not Open Source. But, for me, it is better Closed Source over No Source. Here is a visual argument, I would love to see a list of AJAX and SVG sites that display excellent graphics. http://bacardimojito.com/main.swf http://tokyoplastic.com/LF.swf http://coolbreathpower.com/ http://www.peterjoel.com/flash8previews/candleFlame.html http://shiroganeya.co.jp/main_en.html http://samfeltus.com/swf/contact_globes.swf http://justforthefofit.com/ http://mochiland.com/ http://obleek.com/iraq/index.html http://www.flashbum.com/v4/ http://spaceinvaders.de/ (example of antiquated graphics simply handled by Flash) It is my opinion, certainly not fact, that Python is an extraordinary language, that tends to be very ordinary when it comes to web display technology, and that it shouldn't be this way. http://samfeltus.com/swf/stamplicker.swf -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Software Needs Philosophers
Religious Fanaticism is a very strong in the Computer community. But, is it really a surprise that when a bunch of hairless apes created a new mental world, they created it with a complicated Quilt of religions and nationalities, and many became fanatical? I am confidant the responces Xah will recieve will validate his observation on religious fanaticism. It is funny, Xah always questions people's Sacred Cow's, I have often noted that the reponces often read like the writings of religious fanatics. As a Georgian (US), the responces often remind me of the Dark Side (there is a Light) of the Southern Baptist Church, translated into Computer Speak. Software needs philosophers is an interesting point, perhaps the most important function of Philosophers is exposing Sacred Cows as just Cattle. --- Sam the Gardener http://SamFeltus.com http://SonomaSunshine.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python - Web Display Technology
Hmmm... It is interesting how something is terrible to one person, and great to another, and vice versa. I keep trying to understand why people like HTML/JS, I don't think I am gonna understand. I guess for better or worse, Flash is a very different mindset and approach to the web. Oh well, I love the simplicity of Python on the server. I just won't hold my breath waiting for anything cool and Flash-content related to arise in the Python world. :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python - Web Display Technology
As a final thought, seperate from the whole open source/search issue, which has obvious merit, it does seem Flash has many excellent ideas as a language/tool for creating/expressing non written ideas that are lacking in the HTML world. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python - Web Display Technology
"I guess for better or worse, Flash is a very different mindset and approach to the web." I do find it interesting that Flash folks readily will acknowledge that Flash has shortcomings, yet anti-Flash folks seem to have great difficulty acknowledging Flash's positive features over HTML. Such situations always make me suspicious Ludditism is at work. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python - Web Display Technology
I don't agree with 99.9%, but the majority of Flash sites are done poorly. Mine is certainly sub-optimal, :) 1. Loss of back button Isn't this really a myth? A page with a time dimension, be it Flash, HTML/JS or whatever, breaks the back button. A page without a time dimension doesn't break the back button. Should we now and forever more give up the time dimension to avoid breaking the back button. Perhaps for non-text sites, the back button is an anachronism? Fonts are problematic in Flash, this is a weakness of Flash. Scaling Fonts is even more problematic, but, fonts are an issue in any precise design on the web. I wouldn't argue Flash is better for text sites at the moment, due to Search Engine shortcomings. As for the blind issue,that makes no sense to me. Is the suggestion that we should give up using images in web sites since some people can't see them. Might as well throw out the use of the img tag while we are at it? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python - Web Display Technology
Perhaps the my question should be this, and don't get me wrong, I REALLY like Python. Perhaps Python is not a great language to focus on for someone with a strong interest in Flash and little interest in HTML? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python - Web Display Technology
This has all been very helpful. I've been struggling for awhile on which direction to go with computer programming. I realize the problem with HTML and the P language family is that although it makes sense to me, it doesn't really resonate with my perspective. Flash definitely does. I finally realize what it is that bothers me about HTML/JS/Python/Perl/PHP... I am uncomfortable with the seperating of the code from the visual/time element, as well as the lack of emphasis on the visual/time element. Perhaps that is related to years of being a gardener? Anyways, this question no longer vexates me. HTML is for one ecosystem, Flash is for another. There is room for both. Next question...:) I am not a big Perl/PHP fan, I find Python with SimpleJSON, SQLObject and the included Python batteries pretty well does all I want to do server side. Is it correct to think that is gonna be a solid, simple solution for a Flash coder to use server side? Or, is there something better and easier? (In advance, I find XML irritating compared to JSON) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python - Web Display Technology
Nah, the world needs more Flashy WebSites, :) But I do renounce my uglier criticisms of HTML. I realize now it is just a completely different mindset, not a bad technology. Python is far easier than PHP IMO. Especially if there is minimal HTML, I mostly just want to get at a database and manipulate symbols. I know Python pretty well, PHP (or Ruby) would take some study. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python - Web Display Technology
Don't worry, you won't have to look if it makes you feel dirty... :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python - Web Display Technology
"""I find it tiresome that Flash apologists believe technical advantages can overcome a need for open, community-driven, vendor-independent standards. """ :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python - Web Display Technology
I would. Most people would, once they realize that shiny/flashy is information too. High "production values" affect value-determining centers of the brain, bypassing the linguistic and logical centers. They make you understand that the thing you're being presented is "worth something". Most of the time, it's only worth a fat cash profit to the person doing the presenting, who is giving you a piece of junk at an inflated price. But your brain doesn't care. It's got a shortcut to your wallet, and the information on the screen is accessing that. --Blair This was the most useful comment for me. I never fully considered that Flash was aiming at a different part of the brain. HTML is resonant with the mindset of Python, Flash is not. Perceptual match vs perceptual mismatch. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Software Needs Philosophers
Good question on new ideas vs old ideas. Seems to me the computer industry needs some young brains, raised around the internet, to generate some major new theoretical ideas for computers. Seems to me it must already be occuring below the radar. When it happens, it shouldn't be too hard to spot. It will make cool new things possible, and won't make sense to most people over 25. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: John Bokma harassment
I was considering opening an account with Dreamhost. Can't say I agree with all of Xah's writings, but they often raise important points. Dreamhost is a company I will never spend money with. Usenet is full of narrow minded group thinking that needs to be questioned. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
List Order of Initialization
When a list initializes, will it always evaluate in order starting at element 0 and finishing with the last element? def f1(x): return x + 2 def f2(x): return x * 2 def f3(x): return x * 3 the_list = [f1(7), f2(8), f3(4)] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Xah's Edu Corner: The Concepts and Confusions of Pre-fix, In-fix, Post-fix and Fully Functional Notations
"""Not that Mr. Lee has ever shown much interest in feedback, but you pretty well have stick to vanilla ASCII to get your notation through unmangled on newsgroups.""" It is the 21st century, so having to do that oughta inspire some sort of well earned anti Unix rant... :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Decompilers?
I prefer Emacs or TextWrangler -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
