Re: John Bokma harassment
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Xah Lee schreef: > [...] >> >> If you believe this lobbying to my webhosting provider is unjust, >> please write to my web hosting provider [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Your help is appreciated. Thank you. >> >>Xah >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> ∑ http://xahlee.org/ > > We seem to have strayed a long way from Voltaire's > "I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your > right to say it.", > but that was of course the age of enlightenment. > Immanuel > I would have to say +1 for Voltaire. Xah has as much right to post to the newsgroups as I do to skip over them. One of the reasons I enjoy lurking on newsgroups is the passion with which a lot of you speak; however, I do think there are a lot of short tempers flying around. Perhaps its because you've been putting up with this guy a lot longer than I have, but I can't imagine it takes that much effort to skip/block/kill file his posts. It's his as much as anyone else's, and all the while this is an unmoderated medium he has the *right* to say as he pleases. That said, if the ISP is kicking you off, it should be because you have broken a TOC. IF you don't think that that is the case, then that is your beef with them. Secondarily, all these essays end up on your site anyway, so why post the whole thing /again/ on the newsgroups when you could just link to the page, perhaps with a brief summary. Will that not A) still allow you to advertise the essays B) Save resources rather than copying everything twice and C) Piss less people off? I'm sure you aren't worried about pissing people off, but when it results in you getting kicked from your ISP, this just seems so much more sensible an answer. My 2 cents. P.S. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (Summary) says: Article 19. Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html This debate boils down to whether or not he has broken the ISP's TOCs, nothing more. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: John Bokma harassment
John Bokma wrote: [...] > You're mistaken. All you need to do is report it. After some time Xah will > either walk in line with the rest of the world, or has found somewhere > else to yell. As long as it's not my back garden and not around 4AM, I am > ok with it. > Walk in line with the rest of the world? Pah. This is no-ones back garden. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: John Bokma harassment
John Bokma wrote: > Mitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> John Bokma wrote: >> [...] >>> You're mistaken. All you need to do is report it. After some time Xah >>> will either walk in line with the rest of the world, or has found >>> somewhere else to yell. As long as it's not my back garden and not >>> around 4AM, I am ok with it. >>> >> Walk in line with the rest of the world? Pah. >> >> This is no-ones back garden. > > Funny how people who always think they can "change Usenet" have no clue > about what Usenet is and how it works in the first place. Who said anything about changing it? I like it just the way it is. > > Usenet is just that, each server participating can be thought of as being > the back yard of the news master. Sure, each server has terms and conditions that apply, doesn't mean you should be able to ban people from speaking just because you don't like what they say. My point is that this isn't *your* back garden, it isn't *my* back garden. It isn't something I own, and it *IS* something I can filter and/or ignore. Someone shouting in your back garden is a whole different ball game where your desires prevail. Not here. You know what you are getting into when you sign in, and it is your responsibility to deal with those you don't agree with personally. I understand you consider his writings spam, and so can see why you have reported him. All I'm saying is that as long as the articles are remotely on topic, I believe he has a right to post his opinions here. > If you have no clue about how Usenet works, first read up a bit. What a > Usenet server is, a feed, and how Usenet is distributed. > > And then come back if you finally have something to say that you can back > up. > Thankfully I'm aware enough of all the above that I don't feel the need. As these are all opinions, I don't see any need to "back up" any of it. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: John Bokma harassment
John Bokma wrote: > fup to poster > > Mitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> John Bokma wrote: > > [...] > >>> Funny how people who always think they can "change Usenet" have no >>> clue about what Usenet is and how it works in the first place. >> Who said anything about changing it? I like it just the way it is. > > You don't. > All that I snipped is your opinion, which is yours to do with as you please. "I like it just the way it is." is *MY* opinion, so please don't try to change it. I think I know my opinion best. And as for setting it to reply to only you, I changed that back. I don't think you censoring (redirecting) other peoples replies/opinions serves the purpose of this thread well. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Stuck on Jythonc --all w/ ZipException PyMethod
I'm getting started working with Jython (hope this is an ok group for the question), and ran into a stumbling block using the jythonc tool. It is a fairly simple Jython script which uses the Apache Batik SVG library, imports the SVG Canvas, and puts up a simple Swing interface to let the user load and display an SVG file. (I translated the script from a Batik Java example.) The script runs fine under jython, but so far I've been unable to get a working jar file using jythonc. After various problems involving CLASSPATH and the registry (protected members not showing up), it is persistently giving a ZipException: Duplicate entry error on the PyMethod class. Altering the CLASSPATH seems to have no effect on the problem. Is this a problem between jythonc and newer jvms? I've also tried with j2sdk 1.4.2_05, with the same results. I've exhausted other means, and at my wits end. Thanks in advance for any pointers. My command line is: C:\jython-2.1\jythonc.bat --compiler C:\jdk1.5.0_01\bin\javac.exe --all -j usebatik.jar usebatik.py The output is: processing usebatik Required packages: javax.swing org.w3c.dom java.awt.event java.lang java.io org.apache Creating adapters: java.awt.event.ActionListener used in usebatik Creating .java files: usebatik module Compiling .java to .class... Compiling with args: ['C:\\jdk1.5.0_01\\bin\\javac.exe', '-classpath', 'C:\\jython-2.1\\jython.jar;;.\\jpywork;;C:\\jython-2.1\\Tools\\jythonc;C:\\Documents and Settings\\Valued Customer\\Desktop\\Grazer\\usebatik\\.;C:\\jython-2.1\\Lib;C:\\jython-2.1', '.\\jpywork\\usebatik.java'] 0 Note: * uses or overrides a deprecated API. Note: Recompile with -Xlint:deprecation for details. Note: Some input files use unchecked or unsafe operations. Note: Recompile with -Xlint:unchecked for details. Building archive: usebatik.jar Tracking java dependencies: Traceback (innermost last): File "C:\jython-2.1\Tools\jythonc\jythonc.py", line 5, in ? File "C:\jython-2.1\Tools\jythonc\main.py", line 301, in main File "C:\jython-2.1\Tools\jythonc\main.py", line 294, in writeResults File "C:\jython-2.1\Tools\jythonc\jar.py", line 98, in dump File "C:\jython-2.1\Tools\jythonc\jar.py", line 92, in dumpFiles File "C:\jython-2.1\Tools\jythonc\jar.py", line 111, in addPackage java.util.zip.ZipException: duplicate entry: org/python/core/PyMethod.class at java.util.zip.ZipOutputStream.putNextEntry(Unknown Source) at sun.reflect.GeneratedMethodAccessor30.invoke(Unknown Source) at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source) at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Unknown Source) at org.python.core.PyReflectedFunction.__call__(PyReflectedFunction.java) at org.python.core.PyMethod.__call__(PyMethod.java) at org.python.core.PyObject.__call__(PyObject.java) at org.python.core.PyInstance.invoke(PyInstance.java) at jar$py.addPackage$11(C:\jython-2.1\Tools\jythonc\jar.py:111) at jar$py.call_function(C:\jython-2.1\Tools\jythonc\jar.py) at org.python.core.PyTableCode.call(PyTableCode.java) at org.python.core.PyTableCode.call(PyTableCode.java) at org.python.core.PyFunction.__call__(PyFunction.java) at org.python.core.PyInstance.invoke(PyInstance.java) at jar$py.dumpFiles$9(C:\jython-2.1\Tools\jythonc\jar.py:92) at jar$py.call_function(C:\jython-2.1\Tools\jythonc\jar.py) at org.python.core.PyTableCode.call(PyTableCode.java) at org.python.core.PyTableCode.call(PyTableCode.java) at org.python.core.PyFunction.__call__(PyFunction.java) at org.python.core.PyInstance.invoke(PyInstance.java) at jar$py.dump$10(C:\jython-2.1\Tools\jythonc\jar.py:98) at jar$py.call_function(C:\jython-2.1\Tools\jythonc\jar.py) at org.python.core.PyTableCode.call(PyTableCode.java) at org.python.core.PyTableCode.call(PyTableCode.java) at org.python.core.PyFunction.__call__(PyFunction.java) at org.python.core.PyInstance.invoke(PyInstance.java) at main$py.writeResults$8(C:\jython-2.1\Tools\jythonc\main.py:294) at main$py.call_function(C:\jython-2.1\Tools\jythonc\main.py) at org.python.core.PyTableCode.call(PyTableCode.java) at org.python.core.PyTableCode.call(PyTableCode.java) at org.python.core.PyFunction.__call__(PyFunction.java) at main$py.main$9(C:\jython-2.1\Tools\jythonc\main.py:301) at main$py.call_function(C:\jython-2.1\Tools\jythonc\main.py) at org.python.core.PyTableCode.call(PyTableCode.java) at org.python.core.PyTableCode.call(PyTableCode.java) at org.python.core.PyFunction.__call__(PyFunction.java) at org.python.core.PyObject.invoke(PyObject.java) at org.python.pycode._pyx0.f$0(C:\jython-2.1\Tools\jythonc\jythonc.py:5) at org.python.pycode._pyx0.call_function(C:\jython-2.1\Tools\jythonc\jythonc.py) at org.python.core.PyTableCode.call(PyTableCode.java) at org.python.core.PyCode.call(PyCode.java) at org.python.core.Py.runCode(Py.java) at org.python.core.__builtin__.execfile_flags(__builtin__.java) at org.python.util.PythonInterpreter.execfile(PythonInterpreter.java) at org.python.util.jyth
Re: Distributing applications
I'm fairly new to python myself (with about 16 years of various languages); I found py2exe fairly straightforward to use. The instructions are ok, but if you care to see it I took some notes and threw them into an article on my company site. <http://home.agilemarkup.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=64&Itemid=27> Regards - Mitch Phillip Mills wrote: I've learned enough of the Python language to be mildly dangerous and have used it in a few personal projects. All my development of commercial (or production) products over the past dozen years have been done with C++ or Java. For a program I'm planning -- to begin during the summer -- having an interpreter as part of the application would be very desirable to allow sophisticated users to provide their own extensions. Java would be do-able, but My problems are: - I'd like the process of installing the application to be one step; no "first download a Python interpreter then a GUI library" kind of thing. - I also need the core part of the application to be reasonably protected. I'm not looking to defeat hackers, but something equivalent to the way Java's class files stored in jars stay where they're supposed to be and aren't immediately readable. I've looked at various web sites for this topic, but most I've found are just arguments for using the Python language. OK, I'll pretend I'm convinced...now any comments or references on the mechanics of creating a self-contained distribution? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Problem with httplib and HEAD request
Hi - I'm writing some Python code to interact with Amazon's S3 service. One feature of S3 is that it will allow you to use the HTTP HEAD request to retrieve metadata about an S3 object without actually retrieving the content of the object. In trying to use this feature, I'm running into what I think is a bug in httplib.py. If the resource I perform the HEAD request on exists within S3 then everything is fine. If, however, the resource doesn't exist then a 404 is returned. If the request had been a GET rather than a HEAD the body of the response would be some XML that gave further information about the error status returned. However, for a HEAD request no body can be returned so the body is empty. The error response, for either HEAD or GET, does include the following header: transfer-encoding: chunked And this seems to be causing confusion in httplib.py. I have to call the read method of the response or else I get a ResponseNotReady exception on my next request. When I attempt to read the body of the error response to the HEAD request it is passed onto the _read_chunked method where it immediately tries to do a readline() on the connection which, of course, hangs because no body has been sent in the response. So, I know this is kind of a boundary condition and perhaps it hasn't come up before but it seems that the behavior of httplib is incorrect. I think something needs to be added to the _read_chunked method which checks if the request is a GET and, if so, just reads zero bytes from the socket and returns. Any comments? Thanks, Mitch -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Problem with httplib and HEAD request
For what it's worth, I made the following change to httplib.py and it seems to have solved my problems: c455 < if self.chunked: --- > if self.chunked and self._method != 'HEAD': I'm using Python 2.4.1 on MacOS. Mitch -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
