Re: The Modernization of Emacs
> Long count = 12.19.14.7.8; tzolkin = 7 Lamat; haab = 16 Zotz. > I get words from the Allmighty Great Gnus that > "GB" == Galen Boyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: GB> Most other environments will be for those just trying to perform GB> their tasks and staying even with the average proficiency chart. Alleluja, brother! (just unleashed the power of the True One Editor surprising the rest of the workgroup) -- /\ ___ /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_ //--\| | \| | Integralista GNUslamico \/ e coltivatore diretto di Software A Cesare avrei detto di scrivermi a [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding
> "n" == nebulous99 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
n> On Jun 22, 6:32 pm, Cor Gest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > HOW IN THE BLOODY HELL IS IT SUPPOSED TO OCCUR TO SOMEONE TO
>> ENTER > THEM, GIVEN THAT THEY HAVE TO DO SO TO REACH THE HELP THAT
>> WOULD TELL > THEM THOSE ARE THE KEYS TO REACH THE HELP?!
>>
>> What's your problem ?
>>
>> Ofcourse a mere program-consumer would not look what was being
>> installed on his/her system in the first place ... So after some
>> trivial perusing what was installed and where : WOW Look, MA !
>> it's all there!
>>
>> lpr /usr/local/share/emacs/21.3/etc/refcard.ps or your
>> install-dir^ ^ or your
>> version.^
n> So now we're expected to go on a filesystem fishing expedition
n> instead of just hit F1? One small step (backwards) for a man; one
n> giant leap (backwards) for mankind. :P
Waring, possible ID TEN T detected!
There's a program called find, not this intuitive but worth learning
It could solve the problem from the root with something like
find / -name refcard.ps -exec lpr {} \; 2> /dev/null
This line requires some brain and some learning, true, but the
documents should be on your HD, unless you avoided installing the man
to save space.
About the brain, you should have received like me a standard issue one
at least (or maybe a better one).
>> But then again buying the GNU-book from 'O Reilly would have solved
>> it in the utmost nicest possible of ways anyway.
n> So much for the "free" in "free software". If you can't actually
n> use it without paying money, whether for the software or for some
n> book, it isn't really free, is it?
GNU books ARE free, and come in both printed and electronic form.
No excuses.
BTW, buing a GNU book is a good way to finance FSF.
And from your too-lazy (ID TEN T like) point of view even freedom
itself is not free, since its defence has a cost.
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Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding
> Long count = 12.19.14.7.15; tzolkin = 1 Men; haab = 3 Tzec. > I get words from the Allmighty Great Gnus that > "T" == Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: T> And the myth of the bicycle being easy to learn persists. Did you T> know that kids learn better than adults do? Why do kids pick up at T> least one language without any conscious effort, while adults T> trying to learn one more often struggle in night school? Mostly because they block themselves with strange fears and due bad teaching, the "fear" of a test, the lack of fun, the "constriction", all block adults learning new language. Pick an over 30, overloaded with (often) frustrating work, and give her an university level course in languages with grammars and/or alphabets completly different from those she uses (yesss, I am thinking of a woman, my wife...) like Arab (alphabet and some grammar) and Turkish (its grammar sound lispish to my ears), and she'll go ahead without "fatigue" and with flying colours. Children pick up other language without any conscious effort because either they learn it by using with parents, relatives and friends or they are involved in a game-like style of learning. Why else hacker prize fun this much ? :) :) T> I know people who find all kinds of vehicles easy to learn but T> never mastered a bicycle (despite trying). People, plural, as in T> more than one of them. Again, fear, or maybe, some malfunction in the balancing organs. But fear mainly. You do not see what keeps a bike upright and running, you have to trust that you can. You can walk on a 4 inch wide stripe on a floor without problems, but when it is a 4 inch wide bar some feet over the floor... -- /\ ___ /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_ //--\| | \| | Integralista GNUslamico \/ e coltivatore diretto di Software A Cesare avrei detto di scrivermi a [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding
>>>>> Long count = 12.19.14.7.16; tzolkin = 2 Cib; haab = 4 Tzec.
>>>>> I get words from the Allmighty Great Gnus that
>>>>> "T" == Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
T> On Jun 26, 6:06 am, Gian Uberto Lauri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
T> wrote:
>> >> > HOW IN THE BLOODY HELL IS IT SUPPOSED TO OCCUR TO SOMEONE TO
>> >> ENTER > THEM, GIVEN THAT THEY HAVE TO DO SO TO REACH THE HELP
>> THAT >> WOULD TELL > THEM THOSE ARE THE KEYS TO REACH THE HELP?!
>>
>> >> What's your problem ?
>>
>> >> Ofcourse a mere program-consumer would not look what was being
>> >> installed on his/her system in the first place ... So after
>> some >> trivial perusing what was installed and where : WOW Look,
>> MA ! >> it's all there!
>>
>> >> lpr /usr/local/share/emacs/21.3/etc/refcard.ps or your >>
>> install-dir^ ^ or your >>
>> version.^
>>
n> So now we're expected to go on a filesystem fishing expedition
n> instead of just hit F1? One small step (backwards) for a man; one
n> giant leap (backwards) for mankind. :P
T> [snipping some thinly-veiled insults and irrelevancies throughout]
>> There's a program called find, not this intuitive but worth
>> learning
>>
>> It could solve the problem from the root with something like
>>
>> find / -name refcard.ps -exec lpr {} \; 2> /dev/null
T> Let me get this straight.
T> In this corner, we have just about every Windows application ever
T> developed. When a user needs help, a click on the "help" menu or
T> tap of the F1 key is all it takes to obtain some. Sometimes the
T> help is not of the greatest quality, but that is another issue we
T> won't concern ourselves with here.
Hmmm. I just activated the help hitting F1... WOHA, it says that if I
press k after F1 I get the description of what that key does...
T> In the other corner, we have just about every Unix application ever
T> developed. When a user needs help, they may do such things as
T> manually explore the directories where the application was
T> installed
Ever heard about the man command ? Is the first thing you learn to
do...
T> Or alternatively
T> it can just magically come to them as a divinely inspired insight,
If they are Windows user, I pity them, their brain could have been
damaged beyond repair.
They'll never be blessed by the idea that programs can do work for
them, and will bash restlessy their keyboard in antiquate sequences of
pre-automatic-controls tasks (as a reference, take a look to the
Metropolis movie)
T> or in a dream or a burning bush or stone tablets from heaven or
T> something, that something useful might happen if the unlikely
T> combination of symbols "find / -name refcard.ps -exec lpr {} \; 2>
T> /dev/null"
Nothing this divine. Just someone a bit more experienced than you are.
On the other hand I never seen such thing like a refcard, that's not
in the standard documentation system for such a modern toxic waste
like Word.
T> obviously never occur to them. Even if they knew the find tool and
T> its syntax, it would still have to somehow occur to them that
T> "refcard.ps" might be a useful search target.
Strange. I am *NOT* a native english speaker and I think my Q.I. tends
toward average from below, but refcard sound very useful to me, maybe
is short for "reference card" ?
T> came to shove, clicking Start->Search and putting in ".hlp" and
T> "C:\Program Files\Appname" would quickly find any help files.
I admit. find is less intuitive. But the stuff Windows comes with does
just that and nothing more. It will never suggest you that the long
boring task expecting you can be solved in a completely automatic
way with a little creative job.
T> most usually the help files would be named to end with
T> .hlp.
All, or that impaired of a O.S. could not understand they are help
files.
T> Moreover, once found, a quick double click and they're in a
T> hypertext browser viewing the help.
Emacs help was hypertextual when Dr. Watson plagued Windowd 3.11
users...
T> Unless I miss my guess,
T> refcard.ps would require mucking about installing and configuring
T> Ghostscript and GSView,
Splash, large miss.
You usually fire it to the local printer.
Uh, I understand. A Windows user could never have shared its HP720c
printer... Windows printer driver aren't known to be smart.
Not an Emacs flaw.
T> enough. Trying to read anything serious and navigate in GSView is
T> no picnic either.
A refcard, my dear, is something that goes on an A4/Letter
Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding
>>>>> Long count = 12.19.14.7.16; tzolkin = 2 Cib; haab = 4 Tzec. >>>>> I get words from the Allmighty Great Gnus that >>>>> "T" == Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: T> On Jun 27, 4:18 am, Gian Uberto Lauri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> T> wrote: T> [A very long, rambling, semi-coherent post] >> Strange. I am *NOT* a native english speaker and I think my >> Q.I. tends toward average from below... T> That much is obvious. So, did they never tell you "never argue with a fool, people could misjudge who the fool is" ? And you stille replied to my post ? -- /\ ___ /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_ //--\| | \| | Integralista GNUslamico \/ e coltivatore diretto di Software A Cesare avrei detto di scrivermi a [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
