New python.org site

[Bertrand Mansion]

Hi,

First some introduction, my name is Bertrand Mansion, I am still
learning Python and I am new to this list. I have been developping
websites since 1995 and I use PHP since 1999. I have been contributing
to open source projects in the PHP and Apple Objective-C Cocoa
framework community. I studied business at school...

I will go straight to the point, I don't like the new Python.org
website. I didn't like the old one neither. The new one is not better
nor worse than the old one, it's just a different shell. But in my
opinion, it misses the point as well.

I am motivated to make a better website for python.org. Why ? Because
I am learning the language and I need a good resource to learn from.
In its current state, I wouldn't want to use python.org because it's
messy and doesn't match what I expect. It simply doesn't match the
quality of the language.

Note that I don't care about the logo, the colors, whatever is
personal tastes related and that's not my point. In my opinion, the
design has to fit a mission. I don't think a list of objectives was
defined prior to the new redesign. Here would be my list of objectives
for a new website, feel free to add your own:

1. Give a clear overview of what's available on python.org
2. Organize content and make it easy to access it
3. Be a gathering point for the existing community
4. Reinforce the Python image among the would-be python developers/users
5. Make it easy to add new features in the future

Each of these points would need to be extended and detailed.

Now I have a few questions:

* Is there a community interested in building a better python.org website ?
  - An active mailing list dedicated to python.org ?
  - A wiki with some improvement ideas ?

* Where is the current source code of python.org ?
  - Where are the scripts ?
  - Where are the designs ?
  - Is there a SCM available for checkout ?

* Who is currently maintaining python.org ?
  - Design
  - Code
  - Goals and objectives

* Was the last redesign a community effort or the work of one or a company ?

* How about organizing a community contest for both the logo and the
site design ?
Many people are concerned, I am pretty sure there will be a lot of
contributions, even from outside the Python community (for the
fame...). The winners could be decided by half a jury and half the
community votes. There would be a website to be done to take care of
the applications. Maybe some companies would be willing to sponsor.

Thanks for your replies,


Bertrand Mansion
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Re: New python.org site

[Bertrand Mansion]

On 3/11/06, Thorsten Kampe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> There have recently been threads here about the website. Maybe the
> discussion there gives you some information needed:
>
> * 
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/f4c1585fe379d8ad/11fd0062787e374c?tvc=2&q=group%3Acomp.lang.python+insubject%3Apython.org&hl=en#11fd0062787e374c
> * 
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/23c5ee82f22757f3/2696c44b8385a8e8?tvc=2&q=group%3Acomp.lang.python+insubject%3Apython.org&hl=en#2696c44b8385a8e8
> * 
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/330af3b245145f7e/667bb15d53f0c555?tvc=2&q=group%3Acomp.lang.python+insubject%3Apython.org&hl=en#667bb15d53f0c555

I have read those, they look like Slashdot comments where you get some
people trying to post a good joke... They don't answer my simple
questions:

1. Who is maintaining python.org ?

2. Where is the site code/design available ?

3. Is the last redesign a solo or a community effort ?
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Re: New python.org site

[Bertrand Mansion]

On 3/11/06, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> "A competition" sounds like a wonderful idea, but suppose there were to
> be one, and a winner were to be declared, where do we go from there to
> get the winning design up on a server behind www.python.org?

That's not the problem IMO.

Before launching any contest, it should be made clear what needs to be
done by contestants. This involves writing an organized chart of
existing (or not) content and detailed guidelines.

For the contest, contestants will get a copy of these guidelines:
- First, second, third navigation levels.
- Python history, positioning, etc.

If these guidelines are clear and respecting these guidelines becomes
a part of the final applications evaluation, then it will be easy to
adapt the winning results to the site. I have looked at
http://psf.pollenation.net, the current python.org svn, and it seems
python.org currently doesn't work with any database backend... It
seems to be just a plain ol' html site built upon YAML files. There
can't probably be an easier configuration.

BTW, this is a interesting read and could be used as a basis for the guidelines:


The big part is really deciding what is proposed and what goes where.


Bertrand
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Re: New python.org site

[Bertrand Mansion]

On 11 Mar 2006 11:52:35 -0800, Kay Schluehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Em, why not IYO? Because you will implement it however advanced the
> design might be as part of your Python exercises?

Look at the current code, there is nothing to implement. Most of the
work to be done is related to presentation and content organization.

Now, there are also new features we might want:

- documentation with user comments (like in PHP, Postgres, MySQL...)
- RSS feeds
- Efficient search engine (hyperestraier ?)
- Database backend and CMS

Those will certainly need code. Feel free to exercise your Python
skills on that, it would be more useful than your unconstructive
comments.

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Re: Cheese Shop -> BSOL?

[Bertrand Mansion]

On 3/12/06, Andrew Gwozdziewycz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Look at the 'tadpoles' (i don't really think it's tadpoles really...
> but i'll bite for now),
> notice that it is a + sign, which we also always associate with life,
> and health (red cross comes to mind). Python
> is a healthy language. I can read it and write it without going blind
> or crazy.

The cross, the snake and the S shape are indeed very commonly
associated with a medical universe. The current logo would be perfect
for a drug company.

>  >Better eggs.python.org.  Would support the spread of the new file
>  >format, too.
>
> eggs.python.org actually seems quite good to me. It'd be even cooler
> if we could make EGGS an acronym for something.
> How about 'Excellently Good Getting Solution' ? (joking).

+1 for eggs.python.org


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